Flirting in Fiqh Class: Student Gets KICKED Out by Sh. Muhammad Abdul-Wahid al-Hanbali

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[@TravelingPhilosopher]

I understand that in our secular liberal societies, something like this doesn't seem bad to many of us because we have been inspired by various schisms, cultures, and sub-cultures. The Scholar is holding the man to a higher moral standards. To truly understand why he is studying. Why knowledge is valuable? It is to remember Al Haqq, The Reality.

[@wakemeup38]

Ooookkk but "Al Haqq" has commanded segregation and if that is practiced this sort of nonsense will not happen

[@AzizRahman1]

This was the right approach by the Shaykh. May Allah deal with this “student of knowledge”.

[@the_sadistic_one]

why are you acting like he was alone with your mother "may Allah deal with this person", he made a mistake, and he was harshly rebuked by the sheikh, no need to continue cursing him

[@AmiraEsSalim]

Mashalah this is very insightful ❤

[@Ersilay]

The fact that so many people misunderstand the situation as being a fault on the part of the sheikh shows not only that they have no idea of who he is but also should think a little more... the content of what he stated is clear as to what was the issue...

[@lhommemystere3938]

No one misunderstood anything. What the student did was wrong no doubt about it but the sheikh is indirectly the cause of it by allowing both women and men on his live, are you kidding us? This is a clear door to fitna, it was bound to happen especially in a time where fitna has never been this strong... And he invoked Allah against him on top of that... 3ajib...

[@KillAWatt1705]

​@@lhommemystere3938 Where is your evidence that it is impermmissible for men and women to listen/watch a live Islamic lesson, remotely, at the same time?

[@lhommemystere3938]

@@KillAWatt1705 You perfectly see what I mean. Not on a platform that displays the women on your screen and even allows you to contact them in private. You are making a fool out of yourself. If you open a door to fitna, don't be surprised if people fall into it. You are full of sins and no better than this guy who fell, don't forget it ya djahil.

[@lhommemystere3938]

@@KillAWatt1705 Are you kidding me?

[@ParrotPentester]

@@lhommemystere3938 It's haram for two or more non-mahrams be alone in the same room without another person, this isn't the case here.

[@Sorel366]

The shaikh is clearly wrong to have lost his mind and made threats like that. He could have just made a general reminder instead of totally slandering the guy like that. Besides, the comment the man made was not inappropriate, it was just out of place. Similar situations happened at the time of the Prophet including men looking at women during prayer and he never reacted in such a way. Who does he think he is to berate someone like that.

[@zerochance7708]

If he really wanted to get to know her in a HALAL way, then he should have asked the shaykh or one of the organisators about her or DM her and only ask immediately for the number of her wali. That's it!

[@khairt1731]

You obviously dont know women and how things are done nowadays.

[@zerochance7708]

@@khairt1731 see the answers to the comment of Al-ez1lx

[@TALIBEDIP]

@@khairt1731 The Shari'ah back then is the same right now.

[@muhammedomer2064]

​​@@khairt1731 seems you've got a lot of experience there lol. Might be true but society isn't the yardstick for halal and haram.

[@DontOpenThisChannel]

​@@khairt1731 people say the same while taking riba so stop acting like a munafiq by doing the opposite of amr bin maroof (Surah Tauba)

[@aquib72]

Wow. I have no words for this.

[@i.1303]

What are women doing in that class next to men in the firdt place.

[@AyaanNam]

Online class

[@juwairiyahummabdullah]

@@AyaanNamstill shouldnt be mixed

[@Mkay.22]

@@juwairiyahummabdullahit was a Facebook live, not a private coass

[@adamvibritania5735]

Be aware of where you get your knowledge from Do not stress and keep reading the Quran and sunnah

[@SG-dw8jh]

This is the problem when you water down the religion and normalize free mixing. This normalization of free mixing in religious gatherings were propagated by an Egyptian scholar, May Allah forgive him for this terrible mistake!

[@ibnawesome]

The Shaykh did absolutley nothing wrong; he conducts his classes on Facebook Live and doesn't allow classmates of the opposite gender to speak among themselves. The offending student here, noticed that a woman is attending the class by seeing the live members panel and proceeded to DM here in the MIDDLE of the class. The offending student is at fault, not the Shaykh. By the faulty logic which you've displayed, one should also consider it impermissible to comment under a YT video, because what if a non-mahram responds underneath.

[@lhommemystere3938]

​@@ibnawesome Yes but it remains a door to fitna, in a time where the fitna has never been this strong. Are you seriously surprised by this??? It has happened and it will in the future because it's super hard and the sheikh here, instead of invoking Allah for his guidance, he invoked against him???? What a lack of mercy and rahma wAllahi...

[@HmbleSrvnt]

​@@lhommemystere3938and that is why it needs the strongest condemnation and zero tolerance!

[@lhommemystere3938]

@@HmbleSrvnt I agree, the sheikh who opens this door has to be condemned. That's why you don't teach to both men and women. Women have to be taught by women teachers and men by men. He has to be reminded not punished.

[@HmbleSrvnt]

@@lhommemystere3938 No the Sheikh is not at fault here. The male student willingly and with full intention made advances to a female flirting to her privately. This is while he joined the course to gain beneficial knowledge and instead he opted to behave shamelessly. He deserved to be reprimanded.

[@Bismillah8952]

هذا نتيجة التطبيع مع التفاهة في الاعلام

[@ziedsg1324]

Not trolling or anything, i'm really asking to know, how would you know who to marry if you can't see a girl or talk to her ?

[@Sunflowersarepretty]

I'll explain. This is a misconception that you cannot see the bride or groom to be and some conservative families actually do this by just arranging for the marriage and the girl or boy see each other that day. Its not Sunnah tho. You're allowed to meet your potential partner but of course there are some guidelines. You've to be accompanied by someone so you're both not seeing each other alone. You can talk to them and get to know them but again it has to be to get to know each other be respectful.

[@thecuriousservant5549]

Thats why you have them on separate accoubts

[@BABA-m7m]

??

[@juwairiyahummabdullah]

@@BABA-m7mwhy is the class mixed in the first place

[@ibnawesome]

@@juwairiyahummabdullah the class isn't mixed; he teaches his classes on FB live.

[@juwairiyahummabdullah]

@@ibnawesome oh i see, it makes sense that any random guy can join the class if its like that… Allahu mustaan some dude wanted to find a righteous wife 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

[@the_sadistic_one]

The sheikh definitely seemed to have made a mistake. The student was direct, whereas flirting is subtle. What the student did fell more so in the "grey" area of haram, wasn't appropriate for the sheikh to literally lose his mind. If he was genuinely flirting, then ok, good, but it was definitely undeserved. Since it was in private dms, the female student clearly notified the sheikh, the sheikh could have advised her to block him to keep everything excellent. But no. He lost his mind. The sheikh needs to check himself.

[@radirandom]

where did you find this? Do you have the video?

[@ibnawesome]

I don't have the video. Facebook Live.

[@abelo2305]

If this muhammed abdul wahib, he isn’t hanbali

[@ibnawesome]

What are your qualifications to make this judgement against him when he has authoritative licenses to teach the madhab from more than 10 scholars.

[@AI-ez1lx]

Salaam. Whilst on this topic, I am attending Islamic classes and am interested in a girl who attends. I haven't messaged or spoken to her like in this video. But what is the advisable, halal way to approach her?

[@Theway078]

Why don’t you ask your teacher in private

[@Theway078]

Are the classes online?

[@AI-ez1lx]

@@Theway078 No, in person

[@Theway078]

@@AI-ez1lx if you really wanted to get to know her in a halal way then you should ask the shaykh about her or DM her and only ask for the number of her wali

[@ibrahimyilmaz4861]

@@AI-ez1lx Preferably, speak to the teacher. Alternatively, ask a married brother or someone who has a sister to approach the girl on your behalf and set the intentions straight. Dont try to chat with her in private, i have never seen a brother who did that, only that this thing came to harm him later. If she answers positively, please dont take this into your own hands but make it official with her parents and a third party overseeing the process, because i have seen many religious brothers having a haram relationship in all but name. To this day they will defend to their death that they did not have a relationship, which is unbelievable. Iblis lays his traps and one of his most effective ways is to approach a man is through a woman so always have your guard up.

[@MariamAdams-q1z]

Im sorry sh is overreacting. The brother was just expressing his respect and admiration for the suster learning her deen. As in the muslim arab world women are prevented grim aytending gatherings and just think their islamic duty is to cook for men. And buy clothes and make up And if he was interested in her im sure he wud have approached her and her fam thru a third person with adaab. Why must some scholars and some women and men see things in a negative light This shaykh wil drive prospective students away from learning the deen. Sharia is not " A WHIP IN THE HAND OF A SHAYKH"

[@Bismillah8952]

Understandable 😅

[@BABA-m7m]

??

[@fruitmonster7]

still not right to expose and humiliate him like this audhubillah

[@Mkay.22]

He commented it publicly, therefore he is to be advised publicly so that the corruption is made clear

[@fruitmonster7]

@@Mkay.22 he messaged her privately

[@Mkay.22]

@@fruitmonster7 even then, it must be warned against. He didn’t expose the brothers name, but he made clear his sin and the severity of it so that others don’t do the same

[@fruitmonster7]

@@Mkay.22 he made him get up in front of everyone and leave. everyone who was in the class saw and knew

[@ionknow3551]

@@fruitmonster7this is from a FaceBook Live. Thats why he said “If I saw him in person” in the video

[@abdullahalqahtani9861]

المشكلة ليست في الرجل المشكلة انكم تجعلون مجالس العلم متخلطة!!

[@Wa7edmenalnass]

لا تستعجل ذا بث اونلاين

[@Salafite]

no need for the لعن

[@UnknownHuman2000]

I don't see anything wrong with this. If he wishes to make her his wife, then what's the problem? His Niyyah is to perform Nikah, just like our beloved Prophet (SAW). It is better to marry a women that attends lessons of our beloved religon of Islam than flirt and go out and engage in Haram relationships with women who attend pubs, bars, coffee shops and parties.

[@amsakkejha3827]

If he wishes to make her his wife then he asks for her wali's number and talks to him to arrange a meeting with her with his presence. How about you have some shame and pretend like your standards are as high as the rest of us?

[@QuickndirectMarketing1]

You don't attend lessons of Sacred Knowledge to look for a wife! Wrong intention! I hope you understand

[@ibnawesome]

You're forgetting that he's doing this in the middle of the lesson and is flirting instead of being direct about marriage

[@NormalMuslim7]

Write the full version not SAW

[@Maxim_Kulakov]

​@@ibnawesomehe LITERALLY mentioned wanting a WIFE like her. That sounds pretty direct to me. Nobody is perfect. Not even your sheykhs that you follow blindly.

[@bhatsajad818]

What do you expect when you are making the ways for it...!! shame on you

[@Mkay.22]

This is a Facebook live, the sheikh is not accountable for the shamelessness of the brother.

[@Bismillah8952]

😂😂😂😂

[@emin_thepoet]

Bro wtf is this lol.

[@HaramMazhar-g2d]

I have a question when We say humans have hand so Allah can't have hands because nothing is like him but then why we don't say that humans have knowledge or humans can see so that's why Allah can't have these. Why the rulings are different

[@HasanYusufzai]

Allah’s Sifat are unlimited; His Knowledge is not limited to the happenings of the universe, it is beyond that. His Sight is not like our sight because it is not limited by the use of eyes, which require receptors to understand the light bouncing off objects. Additionally, Allah’s sight is not limited to seeing physical objects; He sees everything: what is in the heart, what will come to pass, etc. Like so, His Yadd would not be limited by space, shape, texture, etc; this by definition is not a hand, as a hand is a limb that has appendages called fingers. So unlike Existence, or Knowledge, we wouldn’t translate Yadd. We affirm it as a Godly Attribute, but negate it being a hand.

[@thesalafislav]

Allah ﷻ DOES have a Hand that befits His majesty and He is not like the creation. Do not take knowledge from Ash'aris because these people will rot your mind.

[@HasanYusufzai]

@@thesalafislav Why are you on an Ash’ari channel lol… may Allah guide you and I Habib

[@thesalafislav]

@@HasanYusufzai Ameen. May Allah ﷻ guide both me and you to the Qur'an and Sunnah without bid'ah and without difficulty. You do ta'weel (interpret as metaphor) of the mention of the Hand of Allah ﷻ but not His Hearing and His Seeing. According to the 'logic' that you Ash'aris use, you would be led also to think falsely that affirming the Hearing and Seeing of Allah ﷻ is likening Him to His creation, when that is not the case. فَاطِرُ ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضِ ۚ جَعَلَ لَكُم مِّنْ أَنفُسِكُمْ أَزْوَٰجًۭا وَمِنَ ٱلْأَنْعَـٰمِ أَزْوَٰجًۭا ۖ يَذْرَؤُكُمْ فِيهِ ۚ لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِۦ شَىْءٌۭ ۖ وَهُوَ ٱلسَّمِيعُ ٱلْبَصِيرُ "...There is nothing like Him, for He ˹alone˺ is the All-Hearing, All-Seeing." - 42:11

[@baselhakim2080]

Because you don't need a body to have knowledge. The reason to say Allah does not have physical hands is because it is negating a body for Him , subhanuh

[@AhmadElgazar]

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[@drev3801]

I think its a blessed day to propose expecting a beautiful marriage life. Why this teacher is treating it as some sin? in a world where Haram is literally on the finger tips, I think that brother reaching for her for something Halal is applaudible, given he says "wife" not "friend" of "girl-friend". This is normal as a man, and I dont think he violated any Adab there. To curse him for that like that is insane.

[@luce3619]

It isn't beautiful. He was distracted in the middle of a lesson and disturbing someone who went there to gain knowledge in the blessed nights of Ramadan not to flirt. If he wanted to approach her for marriage, he'd have asked her for her Wali's number outside of the lesson time and during the day. The Shaykh is right.

[@drev3801]

@@luce3619 Even if that's the case, to curse someone as "May Allah disfigure you" is unnecessary for such things. The Sheikh should have patience to maintain his limit first.

[@lbnFadl]

These beautiful words are the start of many haram relationships where the woman is strung along, promised it will be made halal and drawn into sin

[@drev3801]

@@lbnFadl That's not my point, even so it can be advised. Not cursed. This is not an issue to curse and normal amongst growing people. The Sheikh should have the maturity to understand that.

[@luce3619]

@@drev3801 I don't think the Shaykh went overboard. This is not the kind of thing to have patience for as this can cause societal issues (normalising haram, etc). Therefore there should be harshness involved when dealing with these situations. The student didn't demonstrate proper adab for the month of Ramadan, for the knowledge he was seeking, for his teacher and towards the woman he messaged. How would a woman feel if a random man messaged her directly? You may disagree but just because haram is easy doesn't mean the shaykh should tolerate the disrespect the student showed on multiple levels. I think this lecture probably took place in a muslim country so that might also be the reason why he was so harsh.

[@mohammeda5345]

😂

[@Abu-qitt]

neo-hanbalis, am i right...

[@elcapodeicapi80]

Exactly bro 😂

[@Abu-qitt]

@@elcapodeicapi80 allés goed akhy? Lol je hebt toch zelfde naam op discord

[@Theway078]

It’s not his fault, there should be no women present in the class, they’re a source of distraction

[@Bismillah8952]

😮

[@Makachev01]

It was a DM he said in the beginning

[@mohamedabdullahi2609]

​@@Makachev01yeah but how did the sheikh find out did she tell him?

[@ryugalaw]

Apparently ​@@mohamedabdullahi2609

[@ibnawesome]

Yes, she messaged the Shaykhs account manager.

[@Theway078]

Any normal single man would do the same

[@ryugalaw]

Any male who isn't a man would do this

[@ShehuStebe]

I hate when people say this. No normal muslim men don’t do this, Muslim Men are taught to lower their gaze and this is a direct command from Allah. This guy was flirting in Fiqh class. How disgusting and hollow do you have to be to think this is what normal Muslim males do?

[@Theway078]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@sj9184find me one man with haya in this time and date and i’ll give you 1million 💵

[@ayyashC]

just don't say "man", you can use "male" here to include the rest of the animals. being a man is not for everyone.

[@IbrahimKhan-ri6qx]

Any *feminine* single man would do the same Flirting in middle of fiqh class is EXTREMELY down bad 😂