FLATS AND JAY3 MAKE AN OVERWATCH HERO TIER LIST

Jay3 and Flats sat down to make a tier list of the Overwatch heroes in the current meta. After jay3 revealed on twitter he spent a full year of his life worth of hours streaming Overwatch… he must have some qualifications to make this list with Flats. Please welcome Flats as well for his first episode on the Mayhem channel! Which heroes do you think they got wrong?
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Jay3 and Flats make an Overwatch tier list about the Overwatch heroes
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[@Flats_OW]

FIRST FLORIDA MAYHEM VIDEO LET ME KNOW IF YOU WANT MORE OF THESE LETS MAKE IT POP

[@nicole27777]

YES!!

[@benbarker1258]

More pls

[@jorgemorales7325]

🔥🔥🔥

[@tonyghoste5870]

Yess

[@shannonwaipouri1730]

Yes pls thanks for your content as well muchly appreciated from New Zealand

[@shadow4380]

"Bastion is F tier" maybe in high ranks, but in lower elo no one knows how to deal with a bastion :))

[@harvzzxd7769]

Still an F tier hero.

[@akionlizard]

The only reason he's F tier is because no one understands how to position with Bastion.

[@SeekTheStars32]

@@akionlizard EXACLTY MY DUDE 🗿

[@ChriseFTW]

That just means the players are F tier the character doesnt change lol

[@Wildcard727]

As a bastion main bastion is S

[@MisfitsFun]

Welcome to the family Flats!

[@AndreLuis-wo1bo]

You can see how excited Flats is in this video, that's honestly amazing, love the guy

[@ronnythetrooper]

i was HEAVING at the end @ the Jay3 clip conversation. more with them together please

[@Galaxy_018]

That back and forth clip conversion was pure organic comedic goodness.

[@therealzahyra]

I loved it! I loved the end with the dps banter ending with the clip conversation haha I feel like we watched a genuine banter between friends that would even happen off-screen. It was really great. I would love to watch more content with the two of you like this 😁

[@dirtyjesus9293]

The biggest take away from this video is that Jay's hog leans slightly to the left

[@wholelottagaang]

Great video, would like to see more of these for future major balance updates!! 💯

[@LMZRD]

"Samito fans are gonna be mad." Man, Doomfist players know Doom is shit anyways lmao

[@mouse7222]

true

[@winternights4025]

no one hates doomfist more than doomfist mains

[@briangiardina1824]

Doom players probably are happy that he’s being tiered lower so there’s more awareness that he’s shit

[@plofpanda3203]

Doom hes 3 cc abillitys 😭

[@LaiLai-2111]

Yeah the more awareness brought to how bad he is the better, it’ll never shut up the metal ranks who suck so much that he owns the rank tho

[@PiEiNtHeFaCe22]

Zen does high dmg because he has no escape. Bap on the other hand has a super jump, immortal field, and a self heal all of which zen does not have in battle. Zen also has projectile fire while bap is hit scan making bap way easier to secure kills. So unless they give zen some movement ability to help escape options there is no reason to bring down his dmg. Right now any dive hero can melt him really easily especially the dive tanks.

[@glassofwater281]

I think Zen really should have some form of float or dash

[@gunilive781]

i personally think the move is to nerf bap and not buff zem

[@bigbrollicblackguy5748]

@@glassofwater281 he should teleport like Goku

[@glassofwater281]

@@bigbrollicblackguy5748 that would be awesome

[@nexesses1548]

Sombra is a weird one, it’s very very team dependent. If your team capitalizes she is just a W button, if you don’t she is just 1 person less on your team. You can farm EMP pretty quick, if you play her her like a tracer super fast pace and have wicked tracking. That’s why Fitzy found even less succes that someone like Questron who is way more mechanical and fast pace, zapping all over the map. Which is kinda the only way to play her in this meta.

[@weebboiarthurandkitty5390]

"When was the last time you seen Bastionmain?" - Flats "IDK, Maybe the comments know" - Jay3 he is in your backline

[@PhoneHalHome]

I love Flats he is one of my favorite streamers and I'm happy he got signed to one of my favorite teams ❤

[@x4tfxChallenger]

As a Doom main, Doom is definitely and unequivocally a D category character.

[@lane5686]

Great video! I think Ashe is overall a good dps and perhaps in A-tier at least for the following reasons: 1) Her dynamite puts a lot of pressure on the enemy’s team by causing them to run amok; their support like Ana would have to waste healing abilities to literally put out the fire. Her dynamite also allows her to feed and farm her ult fairly quickly. 2) Although hit-scan has been nerfed, she could still apply decent pressure with her regular shots and control points. She is a good check for Junk, Pharah, McCree and Echo from afar. Yes, Widow, Hanzo, and Soldier could do it better but she does bring value to the team with Bob; is very mobile with her shotgun and could use it to get to high grounds for advantageous plays, scouting, as well as use it to boop people off maps; and she is fairly independent. 3) Her ult, Bob, is very useful for the team and could be a game changer by contesting points/the pay load. Bob is pretty good for dive comps in this regard as she could farm her ult pretty quickly with dynamite and headshots. She brings a whole other tank to the team.

[@ZenithSPL]

damn flats congrats on your placement in the mayhems roster.

[@noahcreel8717]

I felt his rein rant so much

[@adamhradil7923]

Ashe pocketed Mercy, I want to see that for real :D

[@mojorisin069]

Dva below Hog got me laughing. Overall good list agreed more with flats.

[@TheFartGod69]

Here we go flats is here!

[@Nyxtia]

1,000 likes, can't wait to see this duo in OWL for OW2, EZ Clap.

[@Parsival-nz1js]

Torb finally getting respect

[@llennow2535]

The inactivity clip is because he was within the spawn room bounds

[@ArchXaether]

Just want to point out all tier lists are made from the top down not the bottom up. Just cause there aren't many players who play a hero doesn't mean that hero isn't super strong potentially when there are a few players who can pop off with it that's what matters in a tier list.

[@aceclop]

" If it's December 26th, you can reference this " I'm watching this on December 28th lol

[@jessicabellandy5687]

Why did you edit out jay3 clap lol. I wasn't expecting a silent clap and I'm still waiting for one.

[@srenchy4723]

" samtio fans are gonna be mad " I dont think jay is aware that every doom player already knows doom is shit

[@Laura_Beth]

It’s funny how low they put sombra, dva, Winston etc. whenever they are like number one picks in owl

[@younis533]

Owl is way different bro they dont play like us

[@perchristianaaslund6385]

I agree with this. They are coached and how they path/coordinate is just at god-level. A successful EMP is usually a fight-ender in OWL, cuz they just collapse on the supports.

[@ittapupu0980]

What Flats said about Genji is hilariously true

[@PiEiNtHeFaCe22]

People still overhyping brig. She has been brought down so much. I dunno about other people, but she feels really easy to kill now a days. Little harder when she is in ult but any team with a brain hears it and will focus her down fairly easy.

[@ROBAKABIGPAPA]

Nah. Brig is really good despite her being tuned a lot. Even if she is easier to kill, her value is not undermined

[@geraltofrivia4651]

So many people play brig horribly and are easy to kill

[@ROBAKABIGPAPA]

@@geraltofrivia4651 sure that may be true. But we're speaking of the objective value here. Depending on the rank you can say that for different heroes. Do you know how many people complain about wrecking Ball saying that he's a throw pick in platinum and below? The point of a tier list is to remain as objective as possible, and objectively Brig brings a lot to the table that is still very very good outside of raw healing potential

[@emirkolku7771]

Gold opinion

[@ROBAKABIGPAPA]

@@emirkolku7771 Don't really know who you're responding to, but if it's towards OP It's not necessarily only in gold. I've actually heard that same opinion in lower diamond lobbies.

[@jakehoganOW]

I would say D.Va is actually really good right now. I mean she has like a 90 something percent pick rate in OWL.

[@xyzbca110]

She is easily the best hero in the game. By far the most consistent hero in the game. So many resources in one character.

[@jakehoganOW]

@@xyzbca110 I don’t think there’s any one best hero in the game because different heroes are better in different situations, but yeah, D.Va is definitely really good right now. (Not saying I don’t like it, I love D.Va)

[@evanchamberlin4697]

@@xyzbca110 honestly I wouldn’t say she’s the best character in the game. Just all the other off tanks aren’t that good

[@poke9395]

the best hero in the game is widow

[@jakehoganOW]

@@poke9395 Chipsa alt account detected

[@poke9395]

i actually agree with almost everything

[@mouse7222]

WHAT IS DOOM DOING IN D im main doom fist and he is an obvious F

[@speedwagon1198]

my man

[@comedial6829]

Then why r u playing him?

[@MrPerson3572]

@@comedial6829 cause hes fun to play, i know hes straight garbage but hes super fun to play imo

[@comedial6829]

@@MrPerson3572 Being that you're a Doom player and all I have a question I've always wnated to ask, is it possible to play doom without the extra rollouts? And if so how?

[@MrPerson3572]

@@comedial6829 yeah, you mainly just need to know how to follow up on your team/know when to back out if you’re the one initiating it. always save at least one or two abilities for you to escape, having a zarya will help a fuckload whether youre playing rollout doom or not. tbh it mainly just comes down to knowing how to use your abilities/ammo conservatively and to not be too aggressive unless your team is also going in

[@andrewdamato228]

they replaced samito w flats no way 😂 love em both tho

[@wendigo374]

they did that a while ago. good ending

[@bee514]

im a bastion doomfist and mei main. now i know why im having trouble ranking up

[@fossforever512]

I mean just cause they’re bad compared to other characters in 4.3k+ You should still be able to get to GM if you’re good enough with all of them (but bastion would be really hard)

[@bee514]

@@fossforever512 yeh but for that to work i need to be good at the game

[@gilbertalvarez95]

I myself am a junkrat connoisseur, and I can attest. Junkrat is a S+ rank

[@synnthetick]

Yo when you guys playing in the league? Kap

[@DontSigh]

incredible glow up compared to the previous duo

[@lulu.9732]

Symmetra has the easiest ult to get of all DPS

[@riceintheclouds]

dang NA meta is so different from what we see on asian servers if this tier list is true :O

[@el_dragunov]

First of all, i never touch GM rank (Only Diamond and Plat) so I want express my opinion and if anyone disagrees feel free to reply. As a Bastion main I agree. Most people say Bastion is the worst, but it's bcz they don't know how to positioning with him. Yeah he doesn't have insane movement or dive options (not counting his ult ability), but 80% Bastion players I saw in Plat and Diamond they stand still for 10 seconds (or more) and yells his team for their fails (even when a roadhog hooked them...) Bastion gets a lot of value with double shield, but most of the time (like Flats said) you should be sneaky and hide on the corners, but NOT STAY HERE FOREVER. The other team (like your team) has microphone and it won't take 2 seconds to announce "Bastion is in X position" and they goes to kick your metal ass. You should know when to move/change positions or stay close with your team, not stay still and waiting for your supports to heal you. I laugh everytime I saw some pharamercys destroying our team and when I pick Bastion and hide in places they don't expect, I mouse1 and BRRRRRRR, they die pretty fast and after that I change to another position or regroup with my team. After many tries I force them to pick counters like Hanzo, widow, sombra, genji or even Hog (speaking for their tanks) and after that, the tables turns diferent, and in the most games we win. BUT i have to admit... it's true when you play against a high IQ pharamercys it turns a nightmare and not always ends with the same result bcoz they knows the right moment to strike you down. But they're just a few. Anyway my point is: know your hero about his/er strong and weaknesses, analyze the situation and for god sake...MOVE. Even if they are F tier list, you're a different player👍

[@Yukikamimi]

Best Mercy player Yessica...

[@maniakb416]

J3 saying "EKspecially" instead of "ESpecially" triggered me. There is no k or c in the first syllable of that word. Biggest pet peeve.

[@lilsouixboy]

This might make me gay, but I loved hearing about Jay’s Hog

[@ayembic7933]

I know you put pharah in A because of yazan, but since so many of your decisions are based on your ladder experience, I feel this is a very NA tier list. I would've swapped tracer and echo on this list, and maybe even put bap down in A. I know he's in every game on NA, but on KR or EU he's like 3rd most picked... I think honestly that ana and bap should both be in A tier because of how the ladder plays world wide rather than just NA..

[@Rylopero]

They should also take pro play into account. Zen and Bap are some of the highest pickrate in OWL. Bap definitely S. Yznsa is S but i think Pharah herself is B maybe A tops (coming from a Pharah main). I think EU runs a lot of double shield also so a lot of the tank and support placements make sense in all regions. It's also rank dependent. Pharah is a lot more effective in Plat-Diamond than Masters-GM and Echo is a lot more effective in Masters-GM than Plat-Diamond

[@short-eu7bs]

@@Rylopero pharah by herself isn't too great, pharah with a mercy pocket is pretty crazy on maps where she can just play super far away out of hitscan range. Especially lijang garden where she can play super high up and have cover with the tower.

[@dechuggs9129]

Tracer should be S tier but other than that it’s fine

[@geraltofrivia4651]

Noo Ive played in the metas that shes S, she just isnt there rn

[@JohnSmith-ml7yq]

cree is horrible against pharmercy because of the damage fall off

[@vitorvena]

Isnt it funny how they made a tierlist with Doomfist at the bottom yet if a Doom kills Jay3 even in situations where any other hero wpuldve done so he calls the hero all sorts of things like Broken or Busted? That is the 9verwatch community in a nutshell, hence why we had some extremely bad updates where they slowly ruined the game...

[@JohnSmith-ml7yq]

Junkrat is op on Anubis in low elos

[@NikeSimmons]

My dogs ❤️

[@DyLemmaOG]

samito is the only person in the world that thinks hanzo sucks, hanzo is godly lmao dude is fried

[@kalvinsapmaz2869]

Honestly hog is a tier in qualifiers

[@LostxArmy]

Bastion is a s in my heart :(

[@nicole27777]

MORE PLEASE ALSO I MISS SAM

[@smash4560]

Soldier is easily the best dps in the game right now

[@corndogguy2373]

Really? What rank?

[@taavikorhonen4514]

Sleeping on the soldier a lot. Should definitely be S.

[@Nyxtia]

Cap. Your Overwatch is on crack. Until he has Cree flash, Echo Beam or Hanzo's pick potential, he's not in their league. And for consistent poke damage and off angles, Pharah is just better. Even Ashe has dynamite for AoE if you wanna play the grounded pocket style.

[@geraltofrivia4651]

@@Nyxtia your overwatch just trying to play his pharah then complains about soldier 😂 he thinks he’s broken good

[@brunoumbehend2655]

Cree absolutely not s. Hanzo is like an apex predator dps in this game. No damage falloff, good movement, dodge, solid ultimate, oneshots, burst damage with storm and utility with sonic

[@KaitlynGothGurl]

Hitscan, consistency, and flashbang.

[@geraltofrivia4651]

@@KaitlynGothGurl a lot of hanzo mains are very consistent masters and above and they make up for not having stun by just one shotting outright

[@KaitlynGothGurl]

@@geraltofrivia4651 Having a flashbang is more consistent than relying on your skill to one shot as Hanzo.

[@geraltofrivia4651]

@@KaitlynGothGurl with that same logic then, if you’re really skillful he can be more effective in certain instances for racking up DPS

[@KaitlynGothGurl]

@@geraltofrivia4651 It’s not about how skillful, it’s about the amount of value you can get with the least amount of skill

[@ndbdbenene2971]

We miss samito

[@adanmitchell7784]

No we don't

[@milkdrinkerer669]

No we don’t

[@ionut-stefandinu9302]

Any rank below plat, a mediocre Doom is S tier.

[@buttsmcgee50]

Oh I thought this was a total mayhem tier list and now I’m disappointed

[@GetQuakedOn]

tru

[@Klaux]

based

[@poke9395]

except that widow should be s

[@ariane8559]

You didnt rate reddit lucio? Id guess not even worth putting on the tier list tho

[@quantum_psi]

Genji = A Hog = S D.Va = S

[@Laura_Beth]

I agree with flats on most of these

[@lvh1209]

SABCD...F?

[@egg2468]

As a genji main I very much think that he's trash

[@comedial6829]

Then y r u playing him

[@jebronlamesthe69th23]

Jay3 doom is d tier also Jay3 gets smacked around by ZBRA

[@Pyratic-]

Is this an April fools joke?

[@anniewian817]

burrito

[@dontatmebitches]

Rein is the best hero and i wont listen to reason

[@christophercole1679]

Sneaky bastion is really fun to play. Not a fan of the rework. I kinda like him as a throw pick. It's a different kind if satisfying making him work. But I get it. It sucks. I'm a doom main so the game isn't exactly very fun to me I have to make my own fun. Doesn't matter if I fees most of the game on doom. The moment I pop off a little and get something done out comes 6 stuns or whatever. Players with maybe 10 min on sombra out of their thousands of hours in the game start playing sombra the moment I do anything remotely neat. And that I can deal with. With the sombra with mcree, hog, sig, brig, and bap that makes the game 0 fun. I'm not looking forward to playing doomfist as a tank in overwatch 2. I kinda, sort of, maybe like playing ball and lucio but playing doom has kept me hooked to this game even with no updates and all the heartbreak coming to light. Sadly my opinion isn't worth shit to anyone since I play in diamond. Or so I've been told. Oh well.

[@wever4873]

the only good thing with the rework is the grenade allowing u to do more sneaky play. But bc of all of is dmg nerfed and no heal flanking with bastion is awfull in the 2

[@xXEdwardtheGr8Xx]

can you all specify and distinguish average player vs one tricks on each role? maybe give two ranks. :)

[@hovthegod3025]

Imagine thinking overwatch 2 is coming out in 2022

[@user-pp5og2nt3b]

Funny, isn’t it?

[@hovthegod3025]

@@user-pp5og2nt3b my comment did not age well

[@jxtrosh6081]

reinheardt is meta he is def s tier

[@TooEasy1515]

As a samito fan doom is awful no question 😂

[@jakobbdrrrr8980]

8 minutes 30 seconds in I'm already mad, DOOM IS GREAT :D :D :D

[@whereisyadadson9795]

Sombra is absolute S with a good comp.

[@ROBAKABIGPAPA]

Only thing Sombra is S in is SFM. Amirite HH?

[@sewak7142]

Sombra deserve to be deleted

[@ROBAKABIGPAPA]

@@sewak7142 chilll

[@sewak7142]

@@ROBAKABIGPAPA I'm chill everyone agrees that sombra should be deleted or nerfed to the ground she's been op for far too long

[@ROBAKABIGPAPA]

@@sewak7142 overwatch 2 isn't even out yet she can't be considered OP for a game that hasn't been released. Let's wait until she has her moment to shine in the official release and then let's call for her nerf. Because right now she's literal bottom tier

[@fengyaolin]

better without samito

[@briangiardina1824]

Damn it’s been months and y’all still talking about him

[@mr.penguin4614]

cree is definitely A tier.

[@bonelesspizza471]

No.

[@brunoumbehend2655]

Just the lack of mobility puts him below S

[@tsvh383]

@@brunoumbehend2655 no

[@GuerriIla]

Mei sombra d tier…….

[@chevypurple]

Sombra F/D tier?? Yet- has the 2nd highest pick rate in OWL 2021 season, was also gunna get a buff to her invisibility cloak; but was ultimately shot down. IF she really was D tier, that buff would have went thru. Should have just made a separate tier for OWL specialist & included D.va/sombra. I do not think Flats took into consideration that this video was posted on an official OWL team channel.

[@niann0320]

Neither are owl players theyre comp players

[@Vidyalog]

They treat heroes based on the level and understanding how they see the game, just like their tier list doesn't apply to majority of gamers in Diamond and below, that tier doesnt apply to OWL level since one thing is ladder and other is organized teams with hours of analysis and scrim time where coordination goes beyond anything we will find in ladder and where of course, Sombra would be at least A tier.

[@niann0320]

@@Vidyalog exactly agree wit u word for word.

[@polishpimp4233]

STOP BASING THE GAME OFF OF OWL FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. Guys just stop with it. Sombra is absolutely a garbage hero on ladder and has been since the game's inception. She needs a full redesign

[@chevypurple]

@@polishpimp4233 she got the stealth hack and increased DMG on hacked targets. For OW2. Her rework is S tier : OWL tier

[@ThatBigRedBear]

Sym is an easy A. You had it right the first time

[@secretlyaslug2325]

Sym on paper has everything you want in a character. She literally has it all.

[@purplewine7362]

In owl yes but in comp I think she's a b at best

[@popadopolous7130]

Found bastion, he’s playing with the silvers. I can hear them saying overpowered

[@m4g153]

This tier list proves that tank mains have no clue what they are talking about.

[@S85B50Engine]

Man I miss Sam on these, I hope he can do a cameo on some videos as a guest.

[@JDBoyes07]

There is no chance he would ever be on a mayhem video, why in the world would he want to?

[@S85B50Engine]

@@JDBoyes07 for old time's sake

[@adanmitchell7784]

Hope not

[@S85B50Engine]

@@adanmitchell7784 why not, you just hating on him or something?

[@nacci7981]

Hanzo not s tier

[@xneutralgodx]

Zarya worst tank nooooooo

[@Azimii]

i was exactly the 3000th liker

[@danieltwohey7619]

Samito is mad because yous didn't listen to the "rank 1" hanzo when he said hanzo is bad. I'm glad he's gone from this organisation.

[@danieltwohey7619]

@Clarity TC projectile and hitscan doesn't matter though. Some hitscan are better then projectile and vise versa. And some projectile are harder/easier to play then hitscan. You can't have a general view since there is such a big gap between the individual heros

[@gujonteitur4853]

@@danieltwohey7619 yeeh hitscan are not always easier but i think projectile character are way worse than dps except for echo which is the only viable projectile

[@danieltwohey7619]

@@gujonteitur4853 hanzo is busted ?????

[@notatroll9667]

He never said hanzo is bad he said widow and ashe were just superior which is true But sure keep lying buddy

[@danieltwohey7619]

@@notatroll9667 he does say hanzo is bad haha. He always says it join one stream and you'll see. And no I'm not plat 🤦

[@purple7934]

brig not in S. unsubbed!

[@peterpan9348]

Widow B Tier? Pahahahhahahahahaa wtf lol and DF D Tier? LMAO

[@KaitlynGothGurl]

Doomfist is shit in this meta and widow is pretty solid

[@Gr33nPhoenix]

A good Widow deletes people. Deletes. However, there are very few good Widows out there

[@KaitlynGothGurl]

@@Gr33nPhoenix Actually, there are a lot of good widows out there, they’re just in masters+

[@Gr33nPhoenix]

@@KaitlynGothGurl Most people aren't in Masters+ though

[@KaitlynGothGurl]

@@Gr33nPhoenix doesn’t mean there aren’t a lot of people in masters+

[@Vastspartan]

Doomfist is a shit tier character. Samito knows. Any doomfist main knows. Terrible character all around.

[@Hayatoshu]

So cap

[@just_josh348]

Na

[@bogeyedbob]

69th comment less goo

[@mim0079]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmm

[@idc4645]

Echo S? HAHAHAHAHAHA

[@xyzbca110]

What? She’s really good

[@jakehoganOW]

@@xyzbca110 idk why some people don’t realize it but Echo is really good right now. Very skill dependent but once you know how to play her she’s very good.

[@notatroll9667]

Diamond spotted

[@idc4645]

@@jakehoganOW im gm... shes ass

[@idc4645]

@@notatroll9667 im gm lmfao

[@siegjager760]

Hanzo better than Widow ? LUL

[@PawanThedthong]

It is tho. That’s why I’m owl they play hanzo not widow

[@Jeremy-rj9gi]

mei is easy s tier

[@yuzea7478]

No way they put Zarya in d tier these dudes are trippin

[@sylermurphree7477]

dont clickbait for views.