Flydigi Vader 4 Pro: In-Depth Technical Review & Latency Tests | Is It Worth The Upgrade?

[@AnnaPunch]

Link from the video: 1. Gamepad test page on Gamepadla: gamepadla.com/flydigi-vader-4-pro.html 2. Stck Analyzer: gamepadla.com/#download 3. Joystick Tester: gamepadla.com/#download 4. Stick Asymmetry clip (STL): www.thingiverse.com/thing:6639774/files 5. Dissassembly tool: afil.link/tools 6. An article about the sticks latency: www.reddit.com/r/Controller/comments/1dyxd7c/some_hall_effect_joysticks_have_motion_smoothing/ 7. Article about the cyclicality test: www.reddit.com/r/Controller/comments/1dedai8/why_the_circularity_test_is_much_less_important/ 8. John Punch's support page: ko-fi.com/gamepadla

[@awgrubach]

you're a very good girl, very cool job on the review👍

[@CaptnYestrday]

@annapunch would you make a community post on your channel if/when outer dead zone is fixed?

[@gluino]

Am I right the gamepadla does not yet try to check the analog quality of triggers?

[@Flydigi]

Thank you very much to the blogger for the detailed review of our controller, and to everyone for your love of our product! These test results are very important to us and have provided significant help in refining our products. We have now fixed the issue of larger outer dead zones problem and further optimized joystick latency. We welcome everyone to update to our firmware version 6.9.3.1 to try it out and provide us with any feedback. Thanks again to all Flydigi Fans!❤

[@ggconspiracy]

you rock brom, real No.1

[@ggconspiracy]

@Flydigi Please make Bluetooth connection work on PC too

[@MrElios300]

​@@kenzilbaptiste2519 I totally agree with you. I would suggest to get under 10ms for joystick input too. If you own a Vader 4 Pro search for its paddles from Gary_BBGames, they're 3D printables and very easy to install ;)

[@xBeetle_juice]

When is all this coming to the apex 4?

[@wilazn]

@@kenzilbaptiste2519 i mean its all preference, you cant speak for everyone. I actually bough the V3P and V4P because of the back button placements.

[@MoZoFo]

The best review ive ever seen of a product, I dont even comment on youtube but honestly, you did such a good job I just had to show some love. Simply remarkable.

[@PaoYong]

This is an insanely good review. Love how you go in depth with it including teardowns and deadzone stats.

[@AvithOrtega]

amazing how you review in such detailed technical way, specially for us that are in the competitive side of games, you really made a difference after I saw like 7 different youtube reviews of the same controller. And also thank you for finally explaining and testing the difference between input lag and polling rate. I am looking forward to more reviews where you keep testing the delay in joystick outputs!

[@TristanHyams]

Phenomenal review. I hope you keep doing these. Quality / thoroughness is quite possibly the best I have seen.

[@twiddless]

We need a review of the cyclone 2!!!

[@CalmTempest]

Really good review and style. You'll grow big, 100%

[@Liid_d]

I haven’t finished the video, but holy crap. Such an informative video! Thank you so much for the review!!

[@rafieebakar4630]

keep on making more videos!!! really liked the quality from both of you punches!!

[@totxoman5605]

Awesome review. I really liked it. Very precise and backed by data. This is a big step forward from all that I have seen.

[@TheCipster]

This is the best review of a controller I have ever seen. You've gained a new subscriber 😃

[@roydoorenspleet1548]

Just discovered your channel - excellent! this is how reviews should be done!

[@gildarts_clive]

You are top notch reviewer, straight to the point and make a lot of real case tests. Very clear and informative 👍

[@kimchristensen453]

Thanks for a great informative in-depth deep-dive instead of all the hype with little actual useful info you get from many other channels. I hope you upload more videos in the future since new interesting controllers seem to release often these days.

[@Serock2k6]

Wow this is the best controller review I have ever seen! The technical details are awesome. Thank you !

[@MusiblackYT]

Hello, The vader 4 pro has recieved many firmware iupdate,it could be nice to see an update on the latency test and outer deadzone fix after this 4 month =)

[@miguelarias459]

Hello, justo a question how you feel now the latency and the input lag? I saw many comments that with the latest update the latency and input lag is horrible, thanks

[@MusiblackYT]

@@miguelarias459 the input lag on the video is 26 ms for the joystick the lastest update is 16 ms. personnaly I have seen no real problem playing warzone for something like 150 hour with this controller

[@goodguymario]

+1

[@seedad117]

how is it now with the latests updates ?

[@MonderMatrix]

the best review i have encountered on youtube period , i hope to see more on the newer and best tech out there that worth buying . but i still find great value on other reviews too , sine everyone offers different insight.

[@henryphuc5474]

This is the best review i ve ever seen about vader 4 pro, thks so much, the example about the lateacy test is so loud and clear, thank you so much

[@john_punch]

17:13 Timecode for a separate bonus from me in this review

[@JohnnyJaga]

John, You and Anna ROCK! Cheers from Texas!!

[@john_punch]

@@JohnnyJaga Thank you. Hello from Ukraine

[@RabidTunes]

Huge production quality on this review, I'm surprised this channel doesn't have more subs, so I'm helping with mine! Keep up the good work!! :D

[@erickuitar25]

finally a proper in depth review of a controller! I will be watching every new video !

[@Schmidteren]

You really should make more videos!

[@RedcubeX24]

Unbelievably good video. Data driven reviews and I'm all here for it.

[@Nztytech]

best review out there you have my follow keep up the amazing work!

[@WallaWaller]

I've been considering starting my own in depth controller review channel to do what you've done here because I've yet to see anyone go beyond a simple "yeh, it feels ok" for their controller reviews. Thanks for finally doing what I likely don't have the money and dedication to do.

[@shycreation9418]

Simply the best review out there. I'm sick of channels confusing polling rate with actual input lag... Also i would love a top 10 controller stick latency video. Ive seen around the web that the bigbig won rainbow 2 se (specifically the se version) has some of the most accruate sticks available. Im curious if you find anything different about these sticks compared to others

[@Dailyblazer19]

Idk vCuda has a pretty good review of this too.

[@Adam-pk7go]

Hopefully you’ll make more reviews like this, it’s hard to find so much helpful information in one place, if at all

[@henryphuc5474]

This is the best review i ve ever seen about vader 4 pro, thks so much, the example about the lateacy test is so loud and clear

[@johnny_rook]

This channel is worth a lot more than 865 subs. Superb analysis. Btw, you should make "Input Latences" a feature; it's definately not a typo... interestingly ;)

[@harryhalfmoon]

This is a very good review! Very nice work, thank you! Commenting for the algorithm!

[@coin777]

3:30 How do i get the aplication?

[@nitroxide17]

You and John are doing God's work.

[@felipeborges830]

What a great review! Best one on the internet! Thanks, Anna 🇧🇷

[@covathetech]

Wow amazing review showing actual testing

[@philipp594]

Thank you for making this! Great content. I am not surprised the joysticks are slow. There is a lot of interference between axis‘s and sometimes the triggers takes a lot of post processing to get usable output out of it.

[@Zastrutzki]

Fantastic review, Anna!

[@TabrezAnssri]

Wow, what an in-depth review! I never knew there was so much to consider with gamepads. The joystick latency testing is fascinating. I wonder how other popular controllers would compare using that new GPDL tester method?

[@RuslanKhabibulov]

Здравствуйте, Анна. Приятно было вас с Джоном послушать. Очень интересно. Кажется с новой прошивкой у этого геймпада действительно внешняя мертвая зона стала меньше. Желаю вашему каналу скорого развития

[@banana5651]

Amazing content. You deserve thousands of subscribers!

[@absoluteMadman-o7s]

Wow, your review is very good. The effort, the data, and the analogy you put is easy to understand. I hope your channel is go big. You got another subscriber.

[@LuisDiaz-qg3eg]

Your review presentation and testing methodology packs a Punch

[@Barretsage]

Excellent video!!! loved all the information and data! cant wait for more reviews and more opinions on tech!

[@markogrdinic5126]

According to another video by Danial ZH, the deadzone issue got fixed in the latest update.

[@Jamesbsc]

Just got a flydigi update for outer deadzones and joystick latency. Curious for a quick update from y'all

[@AvithOrtega]

me 2

[@goobatroopa_]

Subscribed. I'd love to get your review on the Gulikit kk3 max/pro. I think it's valuable to watch 2 or 3 video reviews on a controller. Your reviews will always be a priority if I'm considering a controller.

[@krzysztofsikorski8108]

Great review, superb analysis job. What is your gloves brand?

[@BossEwok]

Really good video, probably the best controller review video I've ever seen. Could you please do a review of the new Gamesir Cyclone 2? Would be really appreciated. Thanks!

[@Jamesbsc]

What is the best controller for FPS shooters like Apex Legends etc. Looks like dual sense edge potentially? joystick latency is important for shooters. That said, the stick resolution on the edge is weak. Would love an overview of which controller would offer the best experience for the genre

[@AnnaPunch]

128 is a good resolution. Edge is great, especially if you play via Bluetooth. But there are more interesting gamepads via cable, but it's too early to advise anything, since not all stick latencies have been studied yet.

[@Jamesbsc]

@@AnnaPunch hmm. Please let us know what you uncover for FPS games.

[@forrestallison1879]

You know this is actually a good video. Does anyone know if they fixed the stick issues like high latency and dead zones?

[@stemill1569]

Fantastic review. What I really love about your reviews is that you are not just knocking on wood (or plastic) and then decide if it's good or bad. You open them up and look into the way the controller is build. the joystick regulator...a plastic screw is...not very trustworthy. But it probably doesn't matter as before that gear gets worn off the battery will be dead. The software was also improved. The Vader3Pro had problems with loading profiles that had keyboard keys on keys. Often when starting the PC or changing a profile caused the buttons with special inputs being blank (when C ,Z, M1...4 are blank some games recognize them as a special key) Then the profile had to be loaded from within the Space Station and everything was alright. But that can be annoying. With the Vader4Pro I didn't had those issues. Keyboard commands were loaded when changing profile and are still active when starting the computer. From what I understand they changed the way the profiles are saved. The only disadvantage right now is that the Vader4Pro isn't compatible with reWASD. The Flydigi Space Station is a fantastic software for a game controller. Not even the top products on the market have such a good software to adjust the button layout of a controller. ...but reWASD is for most cases even better. ...on the other side reWASD for Vader3Pro is only working in Android mode...that sucks as how you are saying, you cripple your controller. So I would recommend to wait until reWASD is supporting the controller before buying the Vader 4 Pro.

[@TeemeyYT]

Hey! Have you tested joystick latency in cable mode? I guess you missed it. Thank you!

[@TheRealPaull]

very informative video!!! subbed!

[@AnnaPunch]

I appreciate it

[@CookieMonster-we1in]

@@AnnaPunch what are the best settings in terms of 12 bit or 8 bit and best performance for fps.?

[@TalonFyre]

In my testing, Joystick Center Sensitivity seems to affect the output response curve of the sticks, near center. For example, "Slow" seems to half the output response between 0% to about 25% of both stick's tilt and then gradually ramp back up to a linear response beyond that.

[@-8_8-]

This video is getting the very rare "saved" from me. I'll be using this again when the new controller comes in. Excellent work. Excellent. And also, I appreciate this being in english, it appears it isnt your native language, so as part of the mono-linguistic community, thanks.

[@Nghtmare30589]

I play MnK, but holy shit this is one hell of a review for just a controller. Subscribed.

[@GameTechTalk]

Both John and you are amazing creators. Those reviews are on a whole other level. Salutations from Canada! 🫡

[@PrashantCk-qr7ol]

That outer dead zone issue is a deal-breaker for me. 22% loss is huge for competitive FPS games. Flydigi needs to fix this ASAP with a firmware update.

[@corpingtons]

Hey it’s still a problem but only with the gyro mapped right stick it’s actually fixed right now

[@corpingtons]

Until you use gyro native

[@TJssWay]

Updated

[@TJssWay]

So basically it’s cool for casual gamers but for people playing more seriously you should avoid until they fix the outer dead zone issues because it ruins accuracy? What controller do you recommend instead? For competitive gamers who play intense shooters. What are your thoughts on Gamesir G7 SE raw mode that disables the outer deadzones for “more speed and precision”?

[@AnnaPunch]

I had the Gamesir G7 SE for testing, and I was very impressed with its quality, but I hadn't tested the sticks properly yet, so I can't say for sure whether they are of good quality and what their latency is.

[@TJssWay]

@@AnnaPunch what’s your go to controller with low latency and high accuracy thumbsticks for competitive shooters?

[@killshot3331]

I play warzone and mp which aren’t really “competitive” but I’m competitive. I’ve used scufs the last 5 or so years and recently bought the apex and this. There’s absolutely no issues plus the Hall effect sticks are awesome. Haven’t touched my scuf since and will never buy another one. You’ll be happy with it I promise especially for the price difference to scuf, 4-1

[@xXPhantom2332Xx]

Awesome technical review, looking forward to see more of them!

[@Rafix]

AWESOME VIDEO

[@Solid_Snake99]

Can you test the tarantula Pro? i have it You're amazing 🥰

[@darkphotographerr]

Perfect review!

[@meek2105]

Very good video. I'd love to see an in depth review like this for the Gamesir g7 SE :). Thank you guys.

[@crzyboy6035]

Love the detailed teardown! Those adjustable tension rings are interesting. I wonder if it's possible to 3D print custom ones with more defined steps?

[@Schmidteren]

deadzone fixed I saw from antoher video in an update.

[@Orokara]

This is an amazing video, love the amount of details you into and the comparisons you make. I’m still looking for the best controller…

[@steameier8590]

About the Thumbsticks: The "AZERON External Restrictor Ring": 2,- € // + hefty costly shipping fee// is made of full metal and fits perfect on these 2 analog sticks (easy to demontage -just push it out-) I use it for heavy fast WASD-movement style (with the reWASD software). But you can also use it for measurements or reduce the movement zone of the outer deadzone -> (timestamp of your video 20:45) Best test video as always!

[@kriswunderlich]

I am from Germany....I want have These rings. But the delivery costs me over 20 €😢

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

​@@kriswunderlichThe Nacon Revolution 5 Pro comes with many of these types of rings for free, although I'm not sure if they'll fit other controllers, but the concept seems to be the same.

[@cavernadamatrix]

Perfect video review! =)

[@voidcore1]

Great job guys, keep em coming!

[@r.jarjayes3599]

Amazing in-depth review. Unfortunate to hear about the symmetry problem, which hopefully can be fixed with firmware. Will you be reviewing Razer's V3 anytime soon? Looking forward to more of your content!

[@Jay-sr8ge]

Best review on the internet! I feel like this controller fell short on 2 of the most important things for fps. Circularity is not great and that stick input lag is terrible for tracking. If youre playing at 144Hz, thats 4 frames before your stick imputs register.

[@AnnaPunch]

By the way, it's a good idea to convert the delay to frames.

[@tcrviper]

I have the Assassin's Creed Apex 4 and use it on my series x via an adapter. If you go into the space station app and spend some time tweeking the stick curve, you will see a vast improvement. I play a lot of fo4, and anybody who plays that game knows the enemy npc's move around a lot and are difficult to track. After spending some time tweaking and testing different stick curve setups, I now can quickly and smoothly track enemies in fo4 and pull off amazing head shots while also using a mod that introduces bullet drop in the game, which would make it even more of a challenge for tracking head shots. That stick curve adjustment in the flydigi Space Station app is a game changer, imho.

[@tcrviper]

Oh, forgot to add. Like @estanbogue said about in-game latency, in fo4's case, I needed to go into fo4 settings and also adjust the aim response speed as well.

[@CaptnYestrday]

Excellent review. Absolutely worth the wait

[@AnnaPunch]

Thank you

[@HSGG_]

better than controller captain, straight to the point and no BS

[@DanielZH]

Can you recommend me some of the best channels you watch for controller reviews? Thanks in advance

[@DanielZH]

​@Dead-0-Zone Hi! thanks a lot for sharing all the information, I made a custom kit for testing Edge and DS on PS5 which is incomplete, I was always wondering why despite having a 1000Hz polling rate the in-game delay and input lag is higher, some people said "Yeah Bro it's because PS5, PC is Faster" And how did they always test on PC? just the polling rate. I personally wasn't into PC testing as much as console and that was the reason I made the same mistake Anna mentioned in this video considering polling rate for Input lag. While if I duplicate the method I use for PS5 on PC, I'd probably get a higher input lag and the a closer result to reality. This video opened a lot of questions and my mind is now searching for answers, that's why I was looking for other creators to see what I can learn from them to improve my methods and make reliable tests. To start with, I'ma test different buttons and joystick inputs of Edge on PS5 once again to see if there's a difference for input lag, but after watching this video, I now have to do dozens of new tests and keep watching videos to understand what's actually going on! Thanks again for sharing, I was testing Vader 4 this week and even though the polling rate and bits were high, I felt like this controller doesn't feel as smooth when it comes to joystick, with this video I realized the physical outer deadzone + how the hall effect works, so I'm gonna delay my review one more week 😅

[@DanielZH]

@Dead-0-Zone I remember that comment, when I started doing these tests I was so confused because each time I would realize something new, to this point and today, I can confirm that the game settings I tested and provided for reduced input lag (differential such as Upscale on Vs off) are not wrong, but the actual values? I can't tell for sure, because a lot of things are here now, but I will surely keep improving and learning from others to correct the past mistakes in future. Thanks too! have a nice day ahead.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

You watch for Kevin for the laughs and these guys for the science. Basically, Top Gear vs Fifth Gear, but about controllers and not cars.

[@rahimdamji9602]

Dude I honestly can’t stand him anymore. He just seems scummy, stuck up, and not at all humble. It’s more than obvious he’s a puppet for any one who will shell out enough money, bends the knee and says what they tell him. I know my mom said if I have nothing nice to say, don’t say anything at all., but seriously he’s doing us all a disservice… if I didn’t say something it would be worse.

[@IIXxSLAYERxXII]

Good Review. The rattle of those tension rings is a no go for me. I was about to order them. Which one is similar to the Vader 4 Pro, maybe the Cyclone 2?

[@ToastyTM]

what are you even doing to your controller for that to even happen? let alone be an issue. feel bad for all ur rollers.

[@IIXxSLAYERxXII]

@ what?! That's an issue out of the box that EVERYONE of the reviewer's confirmed lol.

[@IIXxSLAYERxXII]

@ watch the video wtf

[@ToastyTM]

@IIXxSLAYERxXII you have to be shaking your roller really hard for that to happen, that’s what I mean

[@ToastyTM]

@IIXxSLAYERxXII but I wanna how why it bothers you?

[@2067792332977602]

Now this is a professional controller review! This is better than most I have seen. Think you can do the same for the wolverine v3 pro?

[@coledeb]

I know that you recommended "any" Joystick Accuracy/bit level for the joysticks, but is there a reason you settled on 10 bit instead of 12 bit? Is there potential inaccuracies/tremor/etc. that are introduced with the levels above 10 bit? Thank you (and John) SO MUCH for this video btw, extremely helpful and detailed!!

[@AnnaPunch]

10 bits were chosen for several reasons. 1. The bit rate does not affect the input delay, so it does not matter which one is chosen. 2. 500 positions of the stick from the center to the edge is more than enough for precise control. 3. The movements of 10 bits can be traced very clearly in the Joystick Tester program, where they clearly correspond to the movements of the stick. At 12 bits, this dependence is no longer visible because such a resolution is higher than the stick's movement capabilities and is excessive.

[@coledeb]

@@AnnaPunch Thank you so much for the reply!!

[@PanRhei]

Thanks for the in depth review. Aiming with the Vader 3 Pro felt a little off for me (like the sensitivity curve was weird), and was wondering if the tension adjustment of the 4 would help. And I see you no longer need to switch to Chinese in the Flydigi app to update the controller (another thing they apparently didn’t back port to the V3P).

[@ilbro7874]

First day with it and i like my g7 se far more 😅 i feel like a noob playing FPS games Hope that changes

[@aawrr-q2m]

I have gotten one! And i promise you, its soooooo good! Best controller outthere im sure of it. Compared it with my dualsense edge wich is triple the price and it dosnt even get close. If you think of buying it and play on pc, DO IT!

[@deamooz9810]

I heard that when you move the joysticks around in circles, it doesn't feel perfectly smooth, what do you think?

[@aawrr-q2m]

@@deamooz9810 I have nothing bad to say really. Not trying to glaze but its that good to me and the feel in mty hands. Only thing i would change is the placement on the backpaddles and if i could have the stick placement at the same spot on the controller. But thats just preference and im really pushing it to find something i dont like :)

[@deamooz9810]

@@aawrr-q2m that's good to hear. Yeah, I've seen people 3d print back paddles for Vader pro controllers on Reddit

[@zzxx7353]

I have both and you’re certainly over praising the Vader 4 vs the dual sense edge. The Vader is good for its price and if its features are an absolute necessity. It is not nearly as premium feeling or good of a complete user experience. It is cheaply made and the variance across each is huge. If you’re on a budget it’s great, but certainly has its shortcomings and flaws.

[@aawrr-q2m]

I feel like your not a competitive gamer then. First of all - vader 4 has hall effect sticks and has no problems with stick drift. Edge has a feature to change the whole stick but it has been out of stock since lauch! :D So your buyng a dual sense stock controller for 200$ with trigger stops and 2 paddles :D Its such a dogshit controller. Build quality might be a little better but not nealy that much as your saying. It has drift proof sticks 4 paddles wich is prefered for fps games and more others together with trigger stops and tension rings on the sticks so it never gets to loose. Feel like you talking out your ass tbh, or you havnt tried both on a competetive level. Giving 400% more for the dualsense edge and then after 3-6 months you get stickdrift and cant find a fix for it because they believe so little in theyre own product they havnt produced the stick modules since launch :D Good luck with it.

[@DavidZee85]

It's so cool that you developed a method to measure the joystick latency independently from the button latency. Do you plan to revisit some of the controllers to also measure the joystick latency (like the Apex 4, Dualsense, Dualsense Edge)?

[@DavidZee85]

Nevermind, just got to the part of the video where you mentioned your plans, haha. I'm already subscribed!

[@shfd3832]

Why are u saying thumb stick tension ring is just a gimmick and has no practical advantages? In my opinion, it has different level of tension for different people fingers. We people can adjust for different strength. All people doesn't have same strength in fingers.

[@b4g4b3l]

best review about this controller... any other better controller out there for like 60-80$ ?

[@Grimlo9ic]

Incredible testing, Anna (and John)!

[@AnnaPunch]

Thank you from both of us

[@Jamesbsc]

Gonna need a video like this for the Apex 4

[@Drizzle0593]

Hii, since you said you dont recommend the flydigi to games focused on the joystick, wich controller you would sugest instead of the vader 4 pro?

[@Cam-B]

Curious to see the latency on the sticks and buttons after todays update. Please post a link when that data is available.

[@ChristianVillegas-qo3tb]

great work and video, but if you need a controller to play competitively and not casually, what controller would you recommend?

[@john_punch]

Dualsense Edge

[@zarakssss8523]

@@john_punch what about the drift problem? is it easy to deal with?

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

​@Dead-0-Zone Doesn't that just mask the issue instead of actually fixing it? I'd say the Hex Gaming PS5 controller is the only one I've seen with manual calibration built-in, which does a far better job than any software.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

​​@Dead-0-ZoneAh I see, maybe that's why they're moving towards hall effect joysticks, which are being released next month iirc. That software does sound very useful, but honestly the long term solution is hall effect joysticks, but with all the current issues ironed out so that even pros will give it a go. I'm really happy with my Vader 4 Pro atm, as it'll never be used for any serious gameplay, since I'm a KBM veteran anyway.

[@killshot3331]

This controller. I went from using scufs, most recently the ps5 reflex fps, to the apex and now to this and haven’t touched the scuf since and I’ll never buy another one. 4 of these for the price of one scuf plus better sticks it’s a no brainer

[@karleong]

love your channel.. keep up the good work

[@zen_xenomorph]

Great review Anna. It's the best out there for this controller when it comes to factual data. Much better than your V3 Pro review which was kinda poor. Johns software has also become extremely useful and now plays a large part in which controllers i buy. My V4 Pro will be arriving soon so i hope they fix the problems mentioned here, especially that huge outer deadzone. That one will be obvious in gameplay.

[@aliosmangs]

Respect for the detailed measurements. I would like to see 8bitdo ultimate 2.4G next, it does have a polling rate of 1000hz (cable) and out of all controllers i tested, it’s analog sticks feel the snappiest. 8bitdo upgraded this model with hall effect sticks. I assume that they left everything else more or less the same, so it would be pretty interesting to compare hall latency to potentiometer in a „controlled environment“

[@ReshmaEkka-bf6un]

Thanks for the honest review! The price isn't mentioned though - how does it compare cost-wise to other pro controllers on the market?

[@scottcerato4473]

Awesome review 👏 👌

[@brentsmith-d8h]

If I understand correctly: polling rate is how often the joystick sends data to the computer, input lag is how old the data it sends is.

[@Damosgore]

Amazing review !!! I've a question, from my understanding, if stick bit doesn't affect latency and the more the better, why recommanding 10bit setting and not 12bit ?

[@AnnaPunch]

@@Damosgore Search the comments, I’ve already made a detailed answer.

[@Damosgore]

@@AnnaPunch Found it thank you ! :) I really hope you make the video about stick vs buttons latency because I recently bought the Gulikit KK3 and got the feeling that sticks and buttons were "desync" because stick inputs felt delayed, and if hall effect stick have indeed higher latency this could be a huge drawback for those...

[@aquaman5464]

i am using 8bitdo hall effect contrroller after frustrating experience with Xbox Elite controller. Absolutely loving it. The Elite controller just absolutely ruined my experience after RB button fail and horrible left analog stick drift. I fixed the RB button but couldn't fix the drift issue. I tried few things but i think the internal plastic stick mechanism needs replacement. Buying the 8bitdo was the best decision i made, although i miss the ergonomics of the elite controller. I wanted two solid pc controllers now i have one of them (8bitdo) however , i really want flydigi vader pro 4 as the second wireless option. I might go for it, however the input latency on the dongle seems slightly higher compared to 8bitdo's ~5 ms plus the outer deadzone concerns.

[@Eztus]

Wow, what a review, no annoying story telling

[@DanielZH]

Amazing test, very easy to understand and follow with everything we needed! Im gonna order those rings for physical dead zone tests 🤞

[@H786...]

with the gyro thing... if you map right stick to gyro, does it work like botw, where you can aim with right joystick and at the same time, also aim with gyro?

[@berto492]

Amazing review!

[@isu6225]

Incredible, amazing job done, thank you so much for such a detailed review! Tell me, please, although the model is not new, is there a review planned for Apex 4?

[@killshot3331]

I have both. The apex has Hall effect triggers that aren’t as good IMO if you play mainly fps shooters. The grip on the back is one benefit but they make a grip tape kit for the Vader as well. In short they’re pretty much the same but and this one is cheaper

[@isu6225]

​@@killshot3331thanks for the comparison) I have apex 4 and vader 3 pro, as far as I understand, the mechanism with a second trigger mode, similar to clicks, has not changed in the 4th version, I agree, for shooters it is much more pleasant, although on the apex you can set the trigger mode to the minimum move, in general similar to this Vader feature. I was thinking about purchasing the 4th Vador (at the apex, by the way, there were also problems with dead zones, but the adjustment solved them), I still doubt how much I need it)

[@killshot3331]

@@isu6225 Yeah I used the apex for a few months but could never get used to the triggers as I’d sometimes pull through the stops. Also I had them set very low so they were similar to clicky triggers and they would tweak out and input by themselves so I always had to keep messing with them and have it a lot higher than I wanted. The only pro to the Apex IMO is the rear grip. Luckily I bought the grip kit for the buttons and the controller grip was the same so I put that on my apex along with the second set of button grips it came with. I like it a lot better

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

​@@killshot3331I can vouch for the Vader 4 Pro grip tapes, as they are awesome. I just got the delivery today, and despite looking a bit daunting, the installation was a breeze. The grips feel very nice, and the texture increases the friction, which means it's far less likely for my super sweaty hands to drop my controller. It's designed in Japan, so it's no surprise that it's well made.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

​@@isu6225If you already have the Apex 4 and the Vader 3 Pro, then I see no need to also buy the Vader 4 Pro. Unless you want to start a collection, or have many ppl using your controllers.