FNAF Help Wanted 2: Story and Endings EXPLAINED - FNAF Theory

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5 ай бұрын

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Five Nights at Freddy’s Help Wanted 2 has finally released, and with it come a lot of questions. Who do we play as in Help Wanted 2? What’s up with us giving Cassie the Vanni mask? What about Glitchtrap being destroyed by Vanny? Is Glitchtrap the Mimic? Which ending of Security Breach is canon? What is Candy Cadet on about this time?
If you want any of these questions answered, stay tuned and consider subscribing, because I plan to cover them all in this Help Wanted 2 theory.
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@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
What do you think is going on in Help Wanted 2? Any other ideas as to who we might play as or what Candy Cadet is on about? Don't forget to like and subscribe :D
@destructor6578
@destructor6578 5 ай бұрын
Candy cadets story could be applied to like 3 different characters which is frustrating lol
@GohanFutureSSJ
@GohanFutureSSJ 5 ай бұрын
finally you uploaded I love your videos I can't believe it You're amazing keep up the good work. ❤️❤️
@laurarowland7294
@laurarowland7294 5 ай бұрын
I mean- does the candy cadet story also work with Baby? Who leaves Ennard, then comes back to a 'pizza restaurant', but the 'oven door' literally closes, with Baby and others trapped, lured by the 'boy' (Michael), and Henry sets the building on fire...
@YTInsertNameHere
@YTInsertNameHere 5 ай бұрын
I believe candy cadet was telling a story about Cassie and her elevator ending
@vankleecks4021
@vankleecks4021 5 ай бұрын
Mrs.afton getting lured in by Williams " I'm an good guy" then getting scarred "emotionally" then her entire family dying, and I believe that Mrs. Afton after an argument her eyes were blurry from crying and accidentally drove off an cliff.
@shadowmarauder6033
@shadowmarauder6033 5 ай бұрын
That connection of Jeremy as Cassie's father is so unexpected yet makes so much sense!
@hokton8555
@hokton8555 5 ай бұрын
Imagine Jeremy Fritzgerald is the same guy😂
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Glad it makes sense!
@hms.fortune5829
@hms.fortune5829 5 ай бұрын
Totally agree, that was an awesome connection
@EduardoMartinez-rs3bu
@EduardoMartinez-rs3bu 5 ай бұрын
True that
@MeMyselfI360
@MeMyselfI360 5 ай бұрын
​@@hokton8555RyeToast already made that connection
@dcross0616
@dcross0616 5 ай бұрын
I think the context of Jeremy and the guillotine cutter makes a lot more sense now, especially after Ruin. We see Cassie being unable to remove the Vanni mask multiple times, as if it’s literally become fused to her face. Maybe that’s what happened to Jeremy and the VR headset - Glitchtrap trapped him in it, and in his panic he was only able to cut off parts of his own face but not the VR mask. Pretty gruesome, but a really compelling piece of evidence.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
I'm glad you think so!
@AutoChairman
@AutoChairman 3 ай бұрын
Perhaps an inhibitor was stopping him from taking it off
@luizgba957
@luizgba957 Ай бұрын
​@@AutoChairman a type of hipnotic sugestion
@snowblind9551
@snowblind9551 5 ай бұрын
In Help Wanted 1, the phrase "Remember Jeremy" seems like a command, like Remember the Alamo. But in Help Wanted 2, I think it can be reinterpreted as "Remember, Jeremy?" when the player finds the memory.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Possibly yeah
@Selaneful
@Selaneful 5 ай бұрын
😊😊😊😊
@wooperman6960
@wooperman6960 5 ай бұрын
RyeToast talked abt this exact idea too 😂😂
@valviform
@valviform 5 ай бұрын
Or is it "Remember Jeremy?" Like someone forgot about him. Maybe their memories were lost...
@exabyten6309
@exabyten6309 5 ай бұрын
@@valviformyeah thats what this comment said
@user-vw8cg3bu4t
@user-vw8cg3bu4t 5 ай бұрын
I’ve always found it strange that the Vanny mask we find in help wanted is more fleshy and gross than the Vanni mask we find in Ruin. If that mask was Jeremy’s though, it would make sense where all the blood came from.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Yep
@bob8mybobbob
@bob8mybobbob 5 ай бұрын
I love that ID and Rye Toast came out with nearly simultaneous theories that we’re playing as Jeremy. But different Jeremy’s. Honestly, peak Fnaf!
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Yeah XD
@MOONWOLF7395
@MOONWOLF7395 5 ай бұрын
Curse you scott for reusing names!
@Tiki-doll
@Tiki-doll 5 ай бұрын
They both think it’s Casey dad?
@pdd5793
@pdd5793 5 ай бұрын
​@@Tiki-dollyeah but for Rye Toast the Jeremy is Jeremy Fitzgerald from FNAF 2
@MiloMurphysLaw
@MiloMurphysLaw 5 ай бұрын
I believe that they’re both the same Jeremy. It’s entirely possible that Bonnie Bro grew up, got a job as a security guard (Jeremy Fitzgerald in FNAF 2), becomes a technician that works on the animatronics, stays with the company for long enough to be one of the beta testers for the VR game, then goes back to being a technician again and works at the pizza plex (as we see in Help Wanted 2)
@mariov3515
@mariov3515 5 ай бұрын
One thing weird about Jeremy being both the beta tester in HW1 and Cassies dad, is that a beta tester, probably severely scarred, was able to get a job as a technician. Im not sure how much those 2 job markets have in common, but hey, its fnaf, thats probably one of the more normal things to come out of the franchise anyway.
@Takejiro24
@Takejiro24 5 ай бұрын
Plus, it's Fazbear Entertainment, I doubt they'd care.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Yeah lol
@mariov3515
@mariov3515 5 ай бұрын
@@IDsFantasy maybe Jeremy was also a Fazbear technician in the past, or more, a technician at circus baby's, which would explain the sister location parts of the game. What if the person who worked there before Michael in the main game is Jeremy, the one who built the hiding spot in circus baby's gallery. It would also explain why baby has green eyes in HW2, its happening before she yoinked Elizabeth. So, considering all the theories/Hypothesis, Jeremy would first be the Bonnie bully in fnaf 4. Then he'd grow up, maybe work as either an intern or have his first job at sister location. Seeing that, he'd probably try and go away from that world, do something else, becoming a beta tester with eventually, fazbear following him there, making him beta test for HW1. After that incident, he for some reason goes to work at the pizzaplex, ending his story in HW2. After HW2, Cassie, now fatherless, starts her story in Ruin. A wild theory with probably plenty of holes, but still kind of interesting.
@vegetablegames3295
@vegetablegames3295 5 ай бұрын
I mean Vanessa went from a beta tester to the head of security so clearly fazbear entertainment aren’t super concerned about qualifications
@Takejiro24
@Takejiro24 5 ай бұрын
@@vegetablegames3295 Funny thing about that is, you're right. Messages you find in Security Breach repeatedly state that she had no qualifications as a Security Guard. She wouldn't have been hired if someone from the top hadn't pulled some strings. I wonder if that plays a part in HW2's Protag being hired?
@kirbsmeister608
@kirbsmeister608 5 ай бұрын
Theory time; the princess is quite noticeably confused at the start of the game. If the princess is supposed to be Cassidy as some theorist suggest, this could make sense. Cassidy is yoinked back from the afterlife to put Afton down again but is unable to and instead gives her sword to someone else. Cassie’s Father is then given the sword, given the responsibility, to deal with GlitchTrap in this new age. Cassidy was driven by rage and that rage possibly gave Afton the ability to become GlitchTrap and now Cassie’s dad is here, driven by his want to protect, to put an end to the man in the bunny suit. I think Cassie’s father may play a new protector role, something akin to Cassidy or the Puppet as him giving the mask could be his version of give gifts.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Oooo nice idea
@BubblegumSocialClub
@BubblegumSocialClub 5 ай бұрын
Love this idea
@justice8718
@justice8718 5 ай бұрын
What if OMC is William Afton, so him and Cassie are trying to remove what keeps him trapped to the physical world in the Glitchtrap code. Because in Princess Quest 1, we see that glitchtrap is comprised of trapped souls with William Afton being one of them. In HW2, Glitchtrap is trying to lead you to Princess Quest 4 in order for you to destroy him. Which only makes sense if William Afton was possessing the Glitchtrap Code and trying to give you pieces of him, after you proven your worth to him (literally destroying in in Fazerblast). This is even more obvious when OMC was the one who given you the glitchtrap plushy, like Glitchtrap did (with the other six plushies) for the entire game. Perhaps the plushies are metaphors of sins that keep William Afton from moving on (seemingly creating roughly them by hand). And the figurines are the dark inspirations that keep the Mimic motivated. After all, William's daughter is Vanny, so it's expected that someone that loves him will try to free him from being inbound in the Mimic's evil.
@beckyturner3009
@beckyturner3009 21 күн бұрын
@@justice8718okay just for clarification is OMC old man consequences? I’m just trying to make sure
@justice8718
@justice8718 21 күн бұрын
@@beckyturner3009 Yes. It would explain a lot about him. Since he ultimately points to William Afton in every appearance.
@mirusedna
@mirusedna 5 ай бұрын
Excellent theory as always! I'm still not sold that Vanny isn't Vanessa but the Jeremy is Cassie's dad theory is _really_ intriguing and helps explain Candy Cadet's story in a far more satisfying way than Vanessa or Cassie.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@fallis07
@fallis07 5 ай бұрын
But the Candy Cadet story very clearly states its a woman who was lured by the witch and gets scarred and goes back for revenge etc. Cassie's dad isn't a woman
@mirusedna
@mirusedna 5 ай бұрын
@@fallis07 Candy Cadet's story it tells in Ruin about a boy being lured down into the basement by a monster pretending to be his mother is clearly about Cassie being lured by Gregory's voice duplicated by the Mimic, just with the genders switched for the sake of telling it as a story Also, Scott has never really cared to keep gender signifiers consistent when dropping lore. Charlie/The Puppet and Cassidy/Golden Freddy have been referred to alternately as her and him at different points. .
@danelariasalamo8905
@danelariasalamo8905 5 ай бұрын
I never thought about Jeremy being Cassie's dad, but makes a lot of sense, at least all the Bonnie mask references to Jeremy make sense
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Yeah
@MikeMozzaro
@MikeMozzaro 5 ай бұрын
It's kinda strange to me how abstract this game is when compared to the previous ones. Say what you will about the story being confusing; that usually came down to figuring out orders of events, motives, character identities, etc. I can't think of a single part of the previous games as wild as being stuck in a claw machine with a giant Vanny watching down on you.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
I mean, Ruin gets pretty abstract at points, but fair lol
@azimuddin1890
@azimuddin1890 5 ай бұрын
It reminds me of Hello Neighbor 1.
@mjm3091
@mjm3091 5 ай бұрын
Well FNAF 3 with the Nightmares is kinda like this, UCN with ultimate Hell also gets pretty unworldly. And then you could argue that gas in multiple other depictions of FNAF 4 show that illusions and perception altering, can really F up people. Help Wanted, Ruin and Help Wanted 2 all have those abstract unrealistic ideas and it clearly shows us the connection of people being affected, connected to or uploaded into technology. Similarly Princess Quest is direct abstract representation of Vanessa being possessed, locked up and controlled. I think this game specifically is going more wild only because the game itself is much more technologically better. If Scott was still making it and had made it in his usual style, this would have been a pixelart ending. This is Puppet giving life to the animatronics, this is Old Man Consequences, this is Chica going on dates in her best high school days. Those things were kinda abstract as well.
@conan4real
@conan4real 5 ай бұрын
the style of lore in HW2 is much less direct then the style of lore that we've been getting in most of the modern fnaf games lol, it feels like a breath of fresh air, i agree. i was starting to get bothered by how plainly lore was being laid out. (ruin was fun however)
@MiloMurphysLaw
@MiloMurphysLaw 5 ай бұрын
That’s true. It is definitely weirder and more abstract than the other FNAF games. But there’s been a lot of crazy stuff in the FNAF books. So, it’s not *that* weird.
@werefoxhun3839
@werefoxhun3839 5 ай бұрын
This was a really good theory! I knew something was up when I saw there was an achievment called "Remember Jeremy?". It also makes sense and feels fullfilling in a narrative kind of way. Good job with this one, really liked it.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Thank you!!!
@petite_sami
@petite_sami 5 ай бұрын
I'm so glad someone else remembered Jeremy from Help Wanted. When I first saw that plush and it's note I immediately thought of him. I love the idea of Cassie's dad being the tester and then coming back as a tech guy. Great theories!
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! I'm glad you like it :D
@ShesNervous
@ShesNervous 5 ай бұрын
I had been theorizing that Jeremy from HW1 was important back when SB: Ruin was announced and I was considering the possibility that he was Gregory's father. After Ruin introduced a child with a father employee, my mind went right to him. Seeing someone else bring this up and even using the Candy Cadet story to further it is so validating and I am so on board. It's about time Jeremy got a theory. Thank you for fleshing out this idea. I hope more people pay attention to it!
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
That's so cool! Glad I could help give evidence for it :D Thank you!
@fallis07
@fallis07 5 ай бұрын
But the story is about a woman, it can't be Jeremy/cassies dad
@TYCOIX
@TYCOIX 5 ай бұрын
@@fallis07 I personally believe the gender of the characters is the story does not hold much weight. For example in FNAF SB Ruin, Candy Cadet tells the story of a mother, a little boy and a monster, and if I remember correctly most people theorise it as talking about the little boy being parallel to Cassie.
@Rikylochness
@Rikylochness 5 ай бұрын
if i had a nickel for every time a father unwillingly inflicted great trauma to his daughter in the fnaf series I'd have three nickels, which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened thrice
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Lol
@Something_Stupid409
@Something_Stupid409 2 ай бұрын
Aston, Jeremy, and who?
@kimberlyjohnson2580
@kimberlyjohnson2580 23 күн бұрын
​@@Something_Stupid409maybe Henry?
@EMtheDESTROYER
@EMtheDESTROYER 5 ай бұрын
There are 5 evil staff bots so maybe it’s like how afton uses the animatronics to do his dirty work in the movie, i don’t know, something to think about
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Possibly
@hokton8555
@hokton8555 5 ай бұрын
Imagine Jeremy Fritzgerald=Cassie's Father=Bonny Bro=Coworker Jeremy=Bite Victim of '87=Mask Bot=Princess Quest Guy=Jeremiah
@Takejiro24
@Takejiro24 5 ай бұрын
I'd actually be 🤯 Bro can't catch a break 😔☠️
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Would certainly condense the cast XD
@hokton8555
@hokton8555 5 ай бұрын
@@IDsFantasy wouldnt even be the first time Michael afton, Mike Smith, foxy Bro, fritz Smith & the nightguard from fnaf 3 also retroactively merged
@hokton8555
@hokton8555 5 ай бұрын
@@Takejiro24 oh gosh ryetoast just claimed that Jeremy Fritzgerald=Bonnie Bro=Cassie's Father=Princess Quest Player from the logs
@hokton8555
@hokton8555 5 ай бұрын
@@IDsFantasy didn't know that If you edit the comment you lose your heart
@DoctorJedi2742
@DoctorJedi2742 5 ай бұрын
So what you are saying is the real Jeremy is the game that we played along the way 😂 I like how this game seems to continue building on glitchtrap as a separate entity to the mimic, if the help trap ending is canon, it could even imply he's mixed up in MXES, after all where else could he go? Given we've already had one seemingly non canon glitchtrap demise, I'm going to invoke the rule of three and assume he survived for a third go around. After all, this is William, and he always comes back
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Yep!
@theagentsquidfiles504
@theagentsquidfiles504 5 ай бұрын
Here's a thought: if the normal ending is Glitchtrap escaping, likely into the VANNI mask, could Glitchtrap be Helpi in Ruin? It would explain both how Helpi seems to get taken over, and how during the MXES banishment scene Helpi and Gregory somehow argue, implying they are different entities, but both keyed in to the VANNI mask.
@DoctorJedi2742
@DoctorJedi2742 5 ай бұрын
That's a fun idea I figured he could be inside MXES
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Helpi in Ruin definitely seems to be the Mimic, what with the orange eyes and leading Cassie to the basement. Glitchtrap/William could be connected to MXES though
@theagentsquidfiles504
@theagentsquidfiles504 5 ай бұрын
@@IDsFantasy My primary issue with a MXES connection is: How? But with the Helpi connection, we have a direct line of cause and effect and a reason for Helpi to go to the basement and free the mimic, possibly as a way for William to regain some form of corporeal form. It is worth noting that this interpretation assumes that the normal ending of Help Wanted 2 is canon and that the Princess Quest ending (at least in terms of the "Glitchtrap is purged from the system" interpretation) is not, but it's a little difficult to tell if they're even mutually exclusive.
@mirusedna
@mirusedna 5 ай бұрын
@@IDsFantasy What about that moment in Ruin where Helpi and "Gregory" start arguing about who deserves the credit for getting rid of MXES? I suppose that could have been faked but it didn't really serve a purpose. It didn't help to fool Cassie or convince her to do anything. They were just squabbling for a second. It makes me think that either Helpi and the Mimic are entirely separate beings or are two diverging versions of the Mimic program.
@theseeingdemonologist
@theseeingdemonologist Ай бұрын
This!!!​@@mirusedna
@King-el2sg
@King-el2sg 5 ай бұрын
What's really interesting about your theory is that it's not mutually exclusive with the Bunny Bro theory. He could be both and him partially causing the death of crying child would give motivation to work at Fazbears' endeavors to avoid it from happening again. So he might have been a technician for that reason and we can make up a bunch of reasons as to why he decide ls to be a beta tester for the vr game. I like your theory and I am more of the camp of adding it in my repertoire than choosing one of the 2
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Awesome!
@KuhaKebab66
@KuhaKebab66 5 ай бұрын
This is my personal headcanon as well. The only thing that's a bit weird is that he'd have to be ~50 years old when having a child and working as a VR beta tester, but that doesn't bother me since I don't think characters' ages matter that much :D
@King-el2sg
@King-el2sg 5 ай бұрын
That means he got game even after 50 so I respect it. To be honest, yeah the age is a bit off, but it's not impossible. At least we do have a general idea of who he is. Which is better than a lot of things in this franchise
@NarutoTsunadefan1
@NarutoTsunadefan1 5 ай бұрын
@@KuhaKebab66And honestly people in real life can have kids at 50 so he definitely could have had Cassie. And the reason he might not have had a child for so long is thanks to all the crazy things that happened in his life. So 🤷‍♂️ also what other original FNAF mask do we get in ruin besides the Bonnie mask…Foxy…Michael’s. So that could be a hint that her dad was Bonnie bro too even if he also was Jeremy from Help Wanted later.
@NarutoTsunadefan1
@NarutoTsunadefan1 5 ай бұрын
Plus one of Mystic Hippo’s lines about the character we are playing as looking at their hands. ‘Have you ever looked at your hands? Liked really looked at them?’ could mean more than just a hint to look at them to get the PSVR2 function working. It could be interpreted like ‘Do you ever look at your hands and remember how they were one of the two pairs that caused a child to die?’ Or not. It’s just a theory interpretation of it. I just think it’s a line that could mean a lot more than just trying to help the player know how her function works.
@firewings9954
@firewings9954 5 ай бұрын
I think the reason Vanny is there, is to show that since Glitchtrap tormented Vanessa into becoming this, that same thing is what kills Glitchtrap.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Interesting
@CaptainKillroy
@CaptainKillroy 5 ай бұрын
I can't wait for Candy Cadet to be revealed as the final boss, he knows everything and more then he dares tell us
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Yeah XD
@ouichkaj3365
@ouichkaj3365 5 ай бұрын
Cassie's father is none other than music man
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
XD
@hokton8555
@hokton8555 5 ай бұрын
and music man is the phone guy
@madamplatypus313
@madamplatypus313 5 ай бұрын
This gives me the hilarious image of a battered Cassie riding Music Man like a majestic steed into battle accompanied by Roxy to confront Gregory like, “Oh, your new robo-fam is a possessed bear and a brainwashed rabbit lady? Well, eat this, sucker!”
@ouichkaj3365
@ouichkaj3365 5 ай бұрын
i want fanart of that @@madamplatypus313
@maravreloaded
@maravreloaded 4 ай бұрын
No you said it wrong. It's *_MUUUUUUUSIC MAAAAAN_*
@rhydondaddy
@rhydondaddy 5 ай бұрын
Food for thought: With the Bonnie model we get from the minigames, Bonnie is looking upwards in his "final moments", and with Monty not having his claws at the time of Bonnie getting gibbed, I am pretty sold on Bonnie being offed by Moon. Monty would NOT be the bass player if Bonnie was still functional, so Monty wouldn't have the "bass playing claws" installed, so Monty wouldn't have the hardware to rip open Bonnie. Freddy in Ruin also seems to have the same scratch marks as Bonnie on his chest, so pretty sure it is the same thing. Not to mention Moon being prominent in the Bonnie bowl game. Just some food for thought.
@despacito7520
@despacito7520 5 ай бұрын
yo.... YO! You're right
@rhydondaddy
@rhydondaddy 5 ай бұрын
@@despacito7520 😏
@qualitytimewithted5160
@qualitytimewithted5160 5 ай бұрын
But moon also doesn't have claws so that point is null. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's a strike screen at Bonnie Bowl that shows a monty bowling ball killing bonnie bowling pins. Also monty was killed in ruin by a bonnie sign electrocuting him. The answer is pretty cut and dry tbh
@Sopsy_Hallow
@Sopsy_Hallow 5 ай бұрын
@@qualitytimewithted5160 neither answer is a good answer because bonnie is a robot and a character. he can and would be replaced or fixed if he got "killed", both SB and Tales confirm that fazbear fixes and replaces glamrocks when needed. whatever reason there is for his permenant decomission is more than being killed, because simply being killed makes no sense
@user-vw8cg3bu4t
@user-vw8cg3bu4t 5 ай бұрын
His hands look much more delicate though. They are somewhat sharp, but it honestly looks very dull. Good theory though!
@GendoRokabundi
@GendoRokabundi 5 ай бұрын
The Gregory befriending Cassie initially as a way of keeping an eye on Cassie adds a whole extra layer. Ruin becomes much more of an elaborate backup plan than a crime of opportunity. Helpi has, presumably, failed to turn Cassie’s Dad, but is able to use the connection that GGY had created with Cassie, and the things that Cassie has learned from her dad, to set her up as the perfect person to free the Mimic in the basement. While Gregory and Vanessa may be free of Glitchtrap’s control, perhaps parts of GGY and Vanny remain. For both of them, Glitchtrap is a separate entity. GGY is the favorite apprentice, not the wizard himself. Vanny similarly has discussions with Glitchtrap that the therapists mention. Those AI personalities, no longer under the thumb of Glitchtrap, may have their own goals and desires. I’m thinking about both the Tales stories: the Monty Within that sort of shows how Vanny/GGY would work, but also B-7 2, that shows the corrupted parts having a life of their own after being removed. I’m not sure if Vanny and GGY live on in some part of Vanessa and Gregory’s minds, or if they might be inside the neural network (I.e. those are the two we see in the Brazil ending)
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Interesting points!
@RathZa
@RathZa 5 ай бұрын
I thought it was weird, that no one considered Jeremy as an option.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Yeah lol
@maravreloaded
@maravreloaded 4 ай бұрын
With all the Jeremy's there it's hard to know which.
@brittonsings3243
@brittonsings3243 5 ай бұрын
I saw another theory that brought up both the Bonnie bully theory AND the beta tester theory and talked about how it could be both and honestly, I think it’s entirely possible and even plausible. Why couldn’t it be both?
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Exactly!
@midnight4566
@midnight4566 5 ай бұрын
It’s interesting to see how help wanted 2 will play into the overall lore of fnaf
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Yep!
@thegametrain819
@thegametrain819 5 ай бұрын
Hello world
@lcgl09
@lcgl09 5 ай бұрын
Perfect reply
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Hello!
@gretarudick8759
@gretarudick8759 5 ай бұрын
Hi!
@redwiltshire1816
@redwiltshire1816 5 ай бұрын
We are useful!
@AtenSol12
@AtenSol12 5 ай бұрын
Hello there !
@mittybeancat7327
@mittybeancat7327 5 ай бұрын
Man, its crazy how much Jeremy was developed. In HW1 he served more as a cautionary tale for Tape Girl and by extention us, persumably dying after cutting his entire face off. Such a clear cut (get it? Cut?) Story being turned into so much more is pretty neat to see
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Yeah!
@Jerrickd
@Jerrickd 5 ай бұрын
I think it's possible that Jeremy, the Bonnie bro, and Cassie's dad could all be the same person, and that our name is actually Jeremy Fitzgerald. While it's never explicitly said who the Bite of 87 victim is, it's heavily implied to be Jeremy Fitzgerald based on Phone Guy's tapes in FNAF 2. Perhaps this would go to explain Jeremy's lifelong fandom of Bonnie. Having been bit as a young adult teenager (if he was 14 during the Bite of 83, he would be 18 in 1987), perhaps the brain damage from losing his frontal lobe would make him have the permanent mindset of a child, well into the time of Help Wanted 1 in 202X (when he'd be 55-60). Perhaps he would even wear the Bonnie Mask to cover up the scars on his forehead. This would also explain why Cassie would be targeted specifically by Gregory, as if Gregory is indeed a robot and has the memories of Evan/CC, he would obviously seek revenge/vengeance against the instigators of the Bite of 83.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
If he was FNAF 2Jeremy that could explain why he'd slice off part of his face. He already lost his frontal lobe, he'd survived worse lol
@conan4real
@conan4real 5 ай бұрын
​@@IDsFantasythis is really interesting to me! hasnt there been a focus in the past about how having your frontal lobe removed hinders your ability to feel fear? i might just be thinking of all the theory videos from ye old days, but i definitely think this idea holds a lot of credsnce :) i really like your theories pressnted in this video! much more satisfying then simply saying "he's Cassidy's dad" lol. i dont think the fnaf 2 theory is concrete enough on its own and your ideas here come together in a really cohesive way!!
@Zer0phanes.
@Zer0phanes. 5 ай бұрын
When this had came out and I saw the endings, I pretty much had the same idea. I always saw these endings as showing that at least for now, the Aftons are truly dead. and the people who were witnesses to the tragedies that took place are the only ones left to pick up the pieces left behind.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Wellllll I don't think the Aftons are gone. Glitchtrap wasn't the entirety of William's soul, and I think there's solid evidence of other spirits being around. But otherwise yeah
@Zer0phanes.
@Zer0phanes. 5 ай бұрын
@IDsFantasy I can actually agree with that. Before help wanted 2 came out, I always had the idea that The Mimic was used to house Glitchtrap as a sort of way for him to eventually be able to manifest into the real world, The mimic somehow being trained in a similar way to other endoskeletons to adopt negative traits, or the opisite of what normal behavior would be (The Crossed out posters in the endo bassment), eventually gaining enough information for Glitchtrap to use the pieces the mimic had learned in order to manifest as the last thing it remembers seeing itself as, which would be Burntrap. This is more of a headcanon then something that can be applied to lore, but If lore keeps going in the direction it's going, it may eventually point into this direction.
@madamplatypus313
@madamplatypus313 5 ай бұрын
The Aftons have all been dead since the 80s.
@phobiaanimations
@phobiaanimations 5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this, you made be believe even more than I did before that Glitchtrap truely is William or even just a memory, I'm happy that the Glitchtrap being Afton hasn't completely died out yet. There's so much evidence that people just forget about
@rad1165
@rad1165 5 ай бұрын
Yeah
@cybershredder6882-darkkn
@cybershredder6882-darkkn 5 ай бұрын
Yeah 👍
@user-uq1lw9sx1lscraptrap
@user-uq1lw9sx1lscraptrap 5 ай бұрын
I agree 💯
@UiYu-zo9lfx
@UiYu-zo9lfx 5 ай бұрын
I agree with you and Great job 👏 for explain to us
@user-bs5st1rk1qmalhere
@user-bs5st1rk1qmalhere 5 ай бұрын
everyone here is think the same idea and I agree 😉
@redguy275
@redguy275 5 ай бұрын
I noticed that the fazwrench used by the protagonist has a code on it's back, that code is the same one used to acess the stage 01/Fredbear's Family Diner minigame in FNaF 3, the FNaF 3 minigames themselfs are the Crying Child's memories, so i do think this connects the protagonist to Fredbear's and the Crying Child...
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Possibly!
@bpsara
@bpsara 5 ай бұрын
Love this theory! Your points got me thinking stuff I hadn’t considered about the continuity with HW, like Jeremy potentially being Cassie’s dad. The one thing is don’t quite agree with is the Candy Cadet story 🤔 at the end, the girl is essentially lured and gaslit back into the oven, which doesn’t really fit with what we se happen in HW 2. The story seems to imply the girl fell into a false sense of security while actually completely falling for the trap. Theres nothing trying to convince our character to rest or do anything really (except maybe the cut content, but again, it’s cut content). I can easily see this going into Vanessa or even Baby, too, but they still don’t quite fit either. It seems that, as always, Candy Cadet manages to makes all his fans suffer while staying beloved by them 😂
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Presumably that event would have either been in the lead up to HW2, as somehow he had to end up here doing tasks Yeah lol
@TotallyNotIceOwl
@TotallyNotIceOwl 5 ай бұрын
I think I already said something similar thing to this but I had a theory that Princess Quest is a trap. At the good Vanny ending before it cuts to Gregory playing the game and the arcade says Error. From a coder's perspective it makes no sense! Glitchtrap acts like an enemy/boss and dying to glitchtrap himself (not the smol bunnies boy) would delete the Princess sprite. This would lead to the error but many people would believe that it goes the other way around that the princess killed glitchtrap. This is the part that makes no sense there shouldn't be an error then if the princess killed Glitchtrap because he is an enemy in the game (unless he had some sort of cutscenes after the door opens which is unlikely due to him being a virus and not 100% part of the game) But now more evidence has came to light with Help Wanted two. I think that in the end of Princess Quest 3 Glitchtrap captured and did something wonky with the sprite making accessible to however tries to play (Gregory) which would explain the error and then Glitchtrap eventually trapped the Princess in the fourth game. Therefore people like Vanessa seemed to be free but are still trapped. A fact that may or may not back this is when you get the Gregory and helpy sitting on a hill ending in Ruin Vanessa can be seen in the back with some sort of ominous look on her face. There's also Vanny graffiti all over the ruined pizzaplex. Another Theory I have is much more wild and was doesn't make much sense but before Ruin came I thought that Princess Quest could have been UCN from Cassidy's perspective. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Interesting!
@fnafisacreepypasta
@fnafisacreepypasta 5 ай бұрын
The idea Casseys Dad is Bonnie Mask Kid makes scenes. What if we play as him here, stuck in a story helping the maze that traps his kid. He’s a staff bot, he’s still haunted by Vanny and Glitch Based on Roxy this is before Ruin again + the giving mask scene suggest something Edit: wait what if it’s the dad handing over his mask to his child
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
It's possible
@RaiPiez
@RaiPiez 5 ай бұрын
Great video! I definitely subscribe to the idea that we play as Jeremy, and that Jeremy is Cassie's dad. But, I am also a believer in the theory that Jeremy is the Bonnie bully, the mask looking familiar is too much of an obvious tie in to me. And with the age, he would've been 45-50 when having Cassie and although not too common, is entirely possible. Scott Cawthon himself recently had a kid in his 40's. I also just really like the theory as it ties the new lore into the old lore so I could be biased lol.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
I never meant to imply it wasn't possible or that the two had to be mutually exclusive, sorry for the confusion! Just meant to say that he would be having a kid pretty late in the game lol. Glad you like the theory!
@laurarowland7294
@laurarowland7294 5 ай бұрын
I mean- does the candy cadet story also work with Baby? Who leaves Ennard, then comes back to a 'pizza restaurant', but the 'oven door' literally closes, with Baby and others trapped, lured by the 'boy' (Michael), and Henry sets the building on fire...
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Maybe, but the recent Candy Cadet stories seem pretty targeted to the game they're in
@Personian
@Personian 5 ай бұрын
I agreed with nearly everything here, except I'm still trying to decide my stance regarding Glitchtrap I think when the HW2 DLC releases (and it probably will have one), it'll probably do what CODB did for SB, and set up the next major installment in the series and hopefully all of those carnival themes/hints actually end up going somewhere finally lol
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Fair!
@HeraldingHistorian
@HeraldingHistorian 5 ай бұрын
Honestly, hearing your videos really helps me organize my own thoughts. You make great content, glad you got so popular
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@cybershredder6882-darkkn
@cybershredder6882-darkkn 5 ай бұрын
I strongly agree with everything you said. They agree with all the information I gathered from books, games and theories and I being know what would happen in the next game.if we continue like this video and you're video is great 😊
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@KitsuSune
@KitsuSune 5 ай бұрын
The explanation on Glitchtrap vs Mimictrap has been my view of of Glitchtrap for the longest time, so Im glad that it has more basis. 😊 Also, Rye Toast also believes that our Protagonist for Help Wanted 2 is named Jeremy and is Cassie's dad, but in a different way. You should check it out if you haven't yet!
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
I'm aware of RyeToast's theory! It's kind funny that our videos came out around the same time lol
@RedSpade37
@RedSpade37 5 ай бұрын
Let'sa go! Was looking forward to your coverage of this! Really wish I could play the VR games myself, but maybe one day!
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Nice XD
@suffocate867
@suffocate867 5 ай бұрын
i love how passionate you sound :) there’s a few rising creators who have the great level writing and creative process as you do but seem like they dislike what is becoming of the franchise. i genuinely loved following along getting just as excited with you for the possible ending to the hw story awesome theory n video! def gonna be a more regular viewer
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed the video :D
@redwiltshire1816
@redwiltshire1816 5 ай бұрын
I love how everyone uses fusions gameplay
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
XD
@BubblegumSocialClub
@BubblegumSocialClub 5 ай бұрын
I hadn't subscribed because I used to have a hard time following how quickly the information went by, but either I got used to it or you've hit your stride with the rhythm and I'm so glad I can follow now because this is SUCH a great theory!!!
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
I did make sure I paced my speed better this time XD Glad it works well for you. And thank you!
@drewthedweeeb
@drewthedweeeb 5 ай бұрын
You opened my eyes to a lot of ideas I wouldn't have otherwise considered after the playthroughs I've watched. Great video as always!
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@thomasp.1533
@thomasp.1533 5 ай бұрын
Yooooo I like the idea of our player character being Jeremy! I hadn't thought of that before, but that really ties a lot of things together quite nicely, and FINALLY gives an explanation for the repetition of Remember Jeremy. It wasn't telling the player to remember Jeremy, but rather it was telling Jeremy to remember something (or to collect memories, which is what remembering is, in a certain sense). Now personally then with regards to Candy Cadet's OTHER story, about the "family that missed the most important opportunity of their lives", I think that Candy Cadet talking up a fantastic deal intended for a family, but referencing that it comes with a price, seems symbolic of the mimic (or glitchtrap) having an offer of some kind for Jeremy and Cassie (probably with regards to helping Jeremy get rid of Glitchtrap), with the price being falling under the mimic's control, and the family rejecting the offer leading to them dying being the mimic threatening to kill them if they didn't accept.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Interesting idea
@marmackerel
@marmackerel 5 ай бұрын
Amongst the swarm of fnaf theorist i gotta say you are of the most credible out there, the way you piece things together feels really complete and compelling! And idk how to say this but your personality feels genuine when contrasted against some other youtubers out there (i mean this is the best way possible!)
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@Roxy_Wolf_87
@Roxy_Wolf_87 5 ай бұрын
It’s incredible how you connected Jeremy to Cassie’s dad and it makes so much sense. That’s why every time I don’t understand something in a FNAF game I always look for your theories. It makes much more clear for me to understand. Keep up the good work. Merry Christmas 😊
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! I'm glad it makes sense. Merry Christmas!
@SpectreBagels
@SpectreBagels 5 ай бұрын
But couldn't Cassie's dad, Jeremy, and the Bonnie bully be the same person? Couldnt this just be confirmation the bully's name is Jeremy. Maybe thats why Jeremy is mentioned so much because other than the dead kid, the Bonnie bully is also named Jeremy and has been present at different points of the series. Maybe even Jeremy Fitzgerald from one of the nightguards. Thats also a connection to the Witch since Afton is a part of Glitchtrap, so getying bitten by an animatronic after mysteriously being switched to the dayshift could also be a prior encounter with the Witch
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, I didn't mean to imply it was just one or the other lol
@ferretqueen2908
@ferretqueen2908 Ай бұрын
Idk I think I agree with Game Theory that "Jeremy Fitzgerald" was actually Michael Afton. I like the rest of that, though.
@SpectreBagels
@SpectreBagels Ай бұрын
@@ferretqueen2908 But Game Theory also think Jeremy Fitzgerald is the Bonnie bully/Cassie's dad........where fid you get he was Michael?
@ultimaxc
@ultimaxc 5 ай бұрын
Been watching since your phone guy video, and I’m glad your channel has got so big. But quickly question, do you like this new direction for the series and it’s story, retiring to secret endings involving puzzles, which security breach sort of lacked and ruin, SB’s more linear sequel, was missing too?
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! And honestly as long as I'm not the one having to figure out how to get the endings I'm fine with it lol
@Origin._.
@Origin._. 5 ай бұрын
I remember watching this youtuber and she had like 200 viewers, I thought to myself man she deserves way more viewers she thinks similarly to me, it’s like the way I think others just never thought of it and I love that she picks up on the same things I have and explains and puts them into mainstream talk. I’m so happy you made it onto the theory team you have earned it 👍👍👍
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Thank you!!!!
@AAA_NNN_DDD
@AAA_NNN_DDD 5 ай бұрын
before watching, just wanna say seeing you uploaded was the absolute MOST excited ive been to see a theory yet. ive been binging fnaf content as of late and really feel like i have some good ideas about the old and new games, scott cawthoms intentions, and how theyre interwined. i feel like you have the best shot out of as new age fnaf youtuber imo, whatever the truth turns out to be
@AAA_NNN_DDD
@AAA_NNN_DDD 5 ай бұрын
I can't believe I hadn't subbed yet wth
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Thank you!!!! That means a lot :D
@tableprinterdoor
@tableprinterdoor 5 ай бұрын
Just discovered your channel. Very informative, thanks! Fact that it all ties together is cool
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
No problem! I'm glad :D
@dustyrusty4040
@dustyrusty4040 5 ай бұрын
I am so happy you pointed out the fact that if Cassies dad was the Bonnie Bully, he would have be at least in his 40s or 50s when Cassie was born, i haven't seen anyone say anything about that, ive been saying that sence people started talking about that being a possibility, though it is fnaf, and to be honest, crazier things have happened, im just glad someone FINALLY pointed it out
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Yeah lol
@happybhattacharjee7673
@happybhattacharjee7673 5 ай бұрын
Its kind of a common thing for man to have kids late tho,(i am a teen while my dad is at his mid 50s)
@gorkgobble6738
@gorkgobble6738 5 ай бұрын
When you were explaining the princess quest ending with the large vanny, I had to keep reminding myself that this is FNAF, this franchise has become so complex, it started as a nightguard surviving four animatronics that come to life at night, and has turned into... that...
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Yeah lol
@danram8559
@danram8559 5 ай бұрын
I love your videos and the way you present the information !! As much as I think it's a cool idea, I am still unsure about Gregory being patient 46 though
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! I recommend you look up the story GGY from Tales from the Pizzaplex if you haven't. I don't think everything in Tales is identical to the games, but that seems very deliberate Thank you for commenting!
@tatianaturner2782
@tatianaturner2782 5 ай бұрын
I was waiting for your analysis on the endings happy holidays
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Happy holidays!
@LeoPerkk
@LeoPerkk 5 ай бұрын
Finally, I couldn't wait to hear what you has to say on the new game! Keep making great content IDs 🙂
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Thanks! Will do
@clayton_rose
@clayton_rose 5 ай бұрын
I see there is a bit of confusion regarding the tombstone numbering and that the fact that both Chica (Suzie) and Henry contradict who dies 1st. But I think there’s a way for both to be right. Suzie was the 1st killed, how ever since her body was stuffed into Chica it was never found. Charlie was murdered outside with there being no suit, she was just left there. Henry has no idea who was killed 1st just when they were. I think that Charlie was murdered on the same day as the missing children incident.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
I have a Short lined up to cover that next week :)
@clayton_rose
@clayton_rose 5 ай бұрын
@@IDsFantasy wow you really do read all your comments. You’ve replied to both of mine. I know I said it before but I love how down to earth you are. Still not used to the new avatar thought tbh
@clayton_rose
@clayton_rose 5 ай бұрын
@@IDsFantasy how far in advanced do you plan?
@clayton_rose
@clayton_rose 5 ай бұрын
@@IDsFantasy come to think of it if she was killed the same night. Maybe that’s why Cassidy is the one you should not have killed. Maybe William in is adrenaline/anger/murder state mistook Cassidy for Charlie. Maybe the other 4 kids were children of others that William felt had wronged him. Maybe investors or a sibling of one of Michael’s friends.
@edgars9581
@edgars9581 5 ай бұрын
Wait! The "Halloween mask" could be something that Jeremy built himself, similar to Vannie. Because he was already falling into glitchtrap's control at the time, there would've been a lot of time for him to do that. So then he somehow snapped out of it, cut out the implant chip (or maybe something else happened like the mask inhibitor) and escaped for Vanessa to become the victim instead.
@jigglyjello5268
@jigglyjello5268 5 ай бұрын
50 mins ago? Damn. Also, I’ll be quite frank, some of your videos and theories I thought were not as valid as other but this video really has me intrigued and some things really make a lot of sense so I quite enjoyed this one :))) Great work!
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@BluePhoenix_
@BluePhoenix_ 5 ай бұрын
It's really amusing to me, that you and Rye Toast both came to the conclusion, that the character we play as is Jeremy, but you talk about completely different Jeremy's, that converge into the same person.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Yeah XD
@PlushPilla
@PlushPilla 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! I have so many problems with modern fnaf theories. People look too far in the past and forgeting that this era of FNaF is still building up a new narrative. Steel Wool is NOT Scott. The way they do storytelling is funamentaly different. They have people that came from the film industry. Framing is a big tool in film and in videogames. We need to learn what is the intended read instead of what we want to be read. The second ending, for me, reads as how Vanny no longer needs Glitchtrap, so she betrays it. There is people that belive that it is just a trick made by Glitchtrap, but that makes no sence. How? The body language. Glitchtrap gets scared when it realizes that Vanny was going to crush it, and she crushes HARD. And there is the cut voicelines but my rule with that stuff is "Its not canon unless stated. But it can help to understand the developers intent." If Steel Wool is going to fix Vanny's relevance in the active gameplay plot, THIS is the moment. TL;DR: There is too much dependecy in the old lore in modern theories in an era when a new story is being developed. (In basic terms, we don't have enough info.) We should focus more in the new charaters, plots and themes without bringing up the old lore too much. That story got it's conclusion.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
I will say I do think that old characters have relevance in the current story, but either way the story's focus is different. That story arc is over, now we have this! I'm glad you seem to have enjoyed the video!
@vickyob_83
@vickyob_83 5 ай бұрын
I watched MatPat’s theory before yours and thought his connection to the Bonny bully made sense, but the connection to Jeremy seems almost too perfect??? I love it!!!
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! And who knows, maybe he's both
@alexq.5527
@alexq.5527 5 ай бұрын
The little detail of whether of not you have the Bonnie mask depending on whether or not Moon has red eyes is amazing. Also, the deleted voice lines?? It says 'bring him to me', implying it's Vanny. But then it says 'dont let him continue where she finished ' or something like that, so it can't be Vanny doing the talking. So does this mean SB Vanny and HW2 Vanny might actually be two separate entities?
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Interesting idea. Guess we won't know since things were scrapped and changed. Heck, initially Vanny was the one giving you the memories based on the models in the files XD
@AJ_the_Dragon
@AJ_the_Dragon 5 ай бұрын
ok i dont know where this thought came from, but could the minic now be vanny? or at least stolen the costume? It would have still been learning, even locked up, and with vanny digging it out, it had plently of opotunitys to copy her. Just something about the eyes in that last cutscean has been bugging me, there more orange than they used to be and with you putting it nex to a clip of mimic they looked similar. Something to chew on.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
That would be a plot twist lol
@mortem9126
@mortem9126 5 ай бұрын
Interesting theory! I agree with most of this, though I think there are a few interesting things to discuss 1. I think help wanted 2 really helped the argument that princess quest ending is atleast somewhat canon, with old man consequences literally telling princess that she won. 2. Who controls the staff bots? I don't think Glitchtrap as they seem to want to prevent Glitchtrap taking control, plus why would Glitchtrap want Cassie to have the Vanni mask? 3. Vanny. The Vanny ending really seems to imply that Vanny is her own distinct entity now away from Glitchtrap, she afterall kills glitchtrap and then fades away. I don't quite know what to make of this. Right now my mind is heading towards multiple mimics but I really don't know. 4. The princess working with Vanny? It is a interesting thing to note, it seems the princess doesn't care at all about the Vanny, only wanting Glitchtrap gone I truly don't know what to make all of this, but is interesting
@mortem9126
@mortem9126 5 ай бұрын
Also I don't think the Candy Cadet story works for the story of the game as I don't think the character is caught by Glitchtrap at the end. Even in the normal ending we are put into a robot handing Cassie the Vanni mask, that isn't Glitchtraps MO
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Interesting ideas to consider
@mortem9126
@mortem9126 5 ай бұрын
@@IDsFantasy Yeah, right now my main thinking is the staff bots, nightmarionne seems to be the symbol of what is controlling the staff bot, I just don't know what that represents
@nihatdwin
@nihatdwin 5 ай бұрын
again you present a theory from a totally different perspective than other channels and it makes sense. great job
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@puggospizzeria
@puggospizzeria 5 ай бұрын
3:12 CANDY CADET!!!!‼️‼️‼️‼️
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Yep XD
@alexknj1
@alexknj1 5 ай бұрын
"Ignoring the fact that he'd be like fifty when he had Cassie" Why do we have gave to ignore that? Unless they specifically get a procedure or have some other condition, a guy could have a kid at fifty if he wanted to.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
It is not particularly common as far as I'm aware, but I did say it was possible didn't I?
@darkrai3242
@darkrai3242 5 ай бұрын
so, I feel like jeremy is cassies father and who we play as, though he probably isn't qualified enough to be a technician as he was a game dev, but I'm sure fazebear thought that was close enough, and for the maskbot ending, I think that jeremy still ended up being either controlled or put into the mimic system since we see the mc go into pq4, and that would then make maskbot the mc of hw2, we so far have like what 2 to 3 remember jeremy's so he does seem to be more important to the plot
@IbidandCat
@IbidandCat 5 ай бұрын
Fazbear also let Vanessa be head of security with no qualifications, so it seems plausible they'd let someone underqualified be a technician
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
It's definitely interesting
@kingb3746
@kingb3746 5 ай бұрын
Let’s gooo I been waiting for your video on this
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Good to hear!
@TrainzProductions
@TrainzProductions 5 ай бұрын
You know this makes a ton of sense also i had a feeling that Jeremy was Cassies dad in help wanted 2 and in ruin also happy early christmas and have a happy new year! 🎉
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Same to you!
@GoldPikmin
@GoldPikmin 5 ай бұрын
YES! THANK YOU! So many people are tunnel visioned on Mimic theory that I've seen maybe like one person actually point out the memory dolls. The term and concept of memories in this franchise is heavily associated with souls. Remnant is partially memories. Souls can bring out and bend memories. If Glichtrap's handing out his memories, it's gotta be at least partially William. Even if the Mimic DID learn about the MCI, I don't call the text books from my old history class "memories." Also fantastic connection to Help Wanted Jeremy. I had a sneaking suspicion myself after remembering that little tale about him, and I think you nailed connecting the last few pieces.
@erickamakeeaina1649
@erickamakeeaina1649 5 ай бұрын
You might if it was important to you. Besides it's hinted Mimic was at the old Fazbear stuff and saw the MCI(And yes, Puppet can be there to thanks to GGGL)
@GoldPikmin
@GoldPikmin 5 ай бұрын
@@erickamakeeaina1649 We've literally seen Charlie's death in the game universe TWICE, no endo was there. Even if it saw GGGL, there's no reason for it to associate the puppet with a sixth dead kid cause nothing they did in that mini-game would imply that.
@erickamakeeaina1649
@erickamakeeaina1649 5 ай бұрын
@@GoldPikmin Yes it would, it would mean the 6th one was supernatural too
@GoldPikmin
@GoldPikmin 5 ай бұрын
​@@erickamakeeaina1649 And by what merit would the Mimic have any frame of reference to what is supernatural? It literally learns by sight. If it sees a puppet move, what it learns is that a puppet can move. None of what you've said even adresses or gets around the fact that the MAIN PLOT POINT of Help Wanted 2 uses a terminology with a history of SOUL-RELATED context in this franchise, therefore it stands to basic reasoning that William's soul is probably a part of this. Does the Mimic theory mean THAT much to you that you have to try THIS hard to purposefully ignore that?
@erickamakeeaina1649
@erickamakeeaina1649 5 ай бұрын
@@GoldPikmin We are seeing this in the present day, the Mimic is fully sapient and can understand things. William is dead, he died in Pizza Sim. I am not ignoring anything I am just going with what the games have shown
@Moonlight_0419
@Moonlight_0419 5 ай бұрын
Great theory! Honestly, I do believe that the Bonnie mask bully is Cassie's dad, but that doesn't mean that there's no possibility Jeremy isn't! I also like how you interpreted Candy Cadet's story being about Cassie's dad. When I first heard it, I, like many thought that it's about Vanessa. Many people were confused about the boy in the story because that would mean that GGY and Vanny are back. We do get an achievement for GGY after all. And I can see why so many people are confused but my interpretation of the story was that this was the story of how GGY was 'playing around' with Vanessa, watching her every move and manipulating her when she got off track. After all, Gregory was 'The Wizard's favorite Apprentice'. Not to mention how the therapist pointed out that patient 46 was the one doing the manipulating, not the other way around. (Also the thing about Bonnie bully being in his 50's when Cassie was born; It's actually a common thing. I, for example, was born when my dad was in his late 40's, he's currently in his early 60's and currently I'm a young teen. Give or take, but it's possible so seeing people say that he can't be Cassie's dad because of his age is just nonsense to me.)
@madamplatypus313
@madamplatypus313 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, that part of the video confused me more than anything in-universe. Men just don’t have an age limit for that stuff. My own stepdad is in his mid-60s now with my half-sisters 20 and 21, and he’s led a completely normal animatronic-trauma-free life.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Glad you like the theory! And sorry if I made it seem like I thought the Bonnie bully and the Jeremy idea were mutually exclusive, I do think it's possible he's both. I just meant to point out having kids is less likely at that age lol
@kerahbundy5705
@kerahbundy5705 5 ай бұрын
My theory as soon as I saw the achievement was that Cassie's dad is the Bonnie Bro (that's what MatPat calls him, so that's what I've grown to call him). The only Jeremy associated with Bonnie is MCI Jeremy who was stuffed into the suit. So I immediately thought that the Bro part is literal and Bonnie Bro is Jeremy's older brother. So the achievement is saying "remember your dead brother?"
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Maybe. I think it's possible, though to me it makes a lot of sense for it to be connected to the Jeremy most relevant to the current story arc
@christianpop6953
@christianpop6953 5 ай бұрын
I think that “Remember Jeremy” is most likely a phrase to remember the child Jeremy, who possessed the Bonny anamtronic. Scott Cawthon doesn’t know any names except Jeremy and Mike 😅
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
I personally think it's a bit of a reference to both MCI Jeremy and HW Jeremy but fair lol
@firewings9954
@firewings9954 5 ай бұрын
I was just doing research and trying to solve Help Wanted 2, and this came out right as I was getting confused!!!!!
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Nice lol
@spritegoblin4750
@spritegoblin4750 5 ай бұрын
This proposed narrative is exactly the kind of story i was praying for from a fnaf game. Steel wolf did a great job- and if this theory is incorrect, then Steel Wolf can rip it from my cold, dead hands.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Nice XD
@ManyMonstersMedia
@ManyMonstersMedia 5 ай бұрын
you are the only only one who made any sense to me!! i think you nailed down a lot of stuff i couldnt!!
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! I'm glad it made sense :D
@yannicmarz7932
@yannicmarz7932 5 ай бұрын
I am not much of a theorist myself, but a detail that won't leave my mind is that Freddy is blind due to being frozen in his minigame. There has to be a meaning behind that all. If the player is Jeremy, why would it make a difference if Freddy would see him? I also don't see Baby getting mentioned enough. Seems so weird for me that this game puts so much emphasize on her, yet I haven't seen a theory about her. Especially in the weird carnival minigame (with the darts, balls, gun etc) where she appears and says something like "Do you really think I wouldn't find you?". But anyway, great vid :)
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
That is a very interesting detail, though it could have to do with prototype Freddy missing his head? And yeah, Baby seems pretty important. Thank you!
@yannicmarz7932
@yannicmarz7932 5 ай бұрын
@@IDsFantasy Probably. Prototype Freddy didn't see Cassie and HW2 Freddy didn't see Jeremy. Either because they are both related OR because they both wore the Vanny Mask. No idea. But they seem to be connected either way.
@emmas3111
@emmas3111 5 ай бұрын
I've heard the theories of Cassie's dad being the Bonnie bully, and while I still don't fully get the timeline just yet, I do like that idea. Just because I think it would be cool if someone from as close to the start as possible is someone involved in trying to stop the madness, it would also be pretty cool if one of Michael's old friends picked up where his story ended in some way. It's far-fetched but a comforting theory to me.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Nice
@Elder_Keithulhu
@Elder_Keithulhu 5 ай бұрын
I do not think the age is too much of a problem for the Bonnie bully (Bonnie Bro if you watch GT Live) to be Cassie's dad. I am not as fully into the lore of the series as some people but, as far as I know, the character could be the kid from the bite, the beta tester, and the technician. I have been wondering for a few days if the bite incident might have driven the whole arch. Jeremy takes part in putting the crying child in the animatronic and the bite happens. It is reasonable that Jeremy would feel bad about that. So, as Jeremy grows up, he decides to focus on making animatronics and similar attractions safer. He trains to be a technician and takes the job beta testing to make sure no one else gets hurt. Unfortunately, he thought it was just lax development and safety standards that caused the problem and did not realize what he was up against until it was too late. The incident with Glitchtrap forced Jeremy to confront that the characters and franchise that he loved his entire life were rotten and he could never make them into the safe and happy thing he wanted. He still felt the nostalgia and fondness for the characters but they needed to be stopped. Unfortunately, he had already introduced his daughter to his love of the characters and there was no good way to explain to his little girl why he felt they could not be trusted.
@emmas3111
@emmas3111 5 ай бұрын
@@Elder_Keithulhu great point for why Cassie might not be wary even if her dad was. And absolutely for the age, I think my dad had most of his kids in his 40s, I don't know why so many think it's so far fetched.
@Nerbatsu
@Nerbatsu 5 ай бұрын
Another great theory. If this theory is true then it will be a little sad. It would transform one of the few wholesome moments in the series ( Gregory befriending Cassie) into Gregory being gregory.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Thanks! And yeah o7
@TheeDareDevil
@TheeDareDevil 5 ай бұрын
I was so ready for you to say we play Henry since I saw a theory, I don’t remember if it was by you, but Charlie having a connection to Cassie along with Gregory’s theorized connection to crying child
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, I did say that. With Ruin and HW2 I'm not as confident in Cassie being connected to Charlie though
@dampfanator
@dampfanator 2 ай бұрын
Really appreciate these deep dives into the games :)
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 2 ай бұрын
I'm glad!
@Gumby3115
@Gumby3115 5 ай бұрын
It's probably a reach, but I really like this idea because if it is Jeremy from HW1, and his 'scar' is the result of him cutting something out (like the implant), it'd also explain why the mask doesn't put the same thing in for us to see Helpy during HW2. Although, the argument could be made that when you get turned into Maskbot, something is done to the mask, but even if that was the case I doubt they'd be able to add that sort of technology to it without the foundation of it existing already.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Yep! Plus it says that the VANNI mask is for technicians which is very interesting
@awesomust
@awesomust 5 ай бұрын
Very good theory as always! I actually considered whether or not Helpi was Glitchtrap and was using the capabilities of the Mimic to his advantage. I actually don’t think Jeremy and Bonnie Bully are the same due to Bonnie Bully probably being in his 60s or 70s by the time of Security Breach, but what about them being related? Maybe Jeremy is Bonnie Bully’s son?
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! And yeah, that's possible!
@LongLiveKindness
@LongLiveKindness 5 ай бұрын
I love this theory because it's one that I was thinking the moment I saw the "remember Jeremy?" Achievement. Great work and thought process on this one! I'm loving Help Wanted 2!
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Glad to hear it!
@busterboi7636
@busterboi7636 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for all these awesome theories and explanations
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@Violet_Plum_Gamings
@Violet_Plum_Gamings 5 ай бұрын
Hmmm 🤔🧐 This whole thing is very interesting to consider. (I didn’t watch the video yet but I already know it’s gonna be good 👍)
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Indeed it is (Thanks lol)
@PoliceTelephoneBox
@PoliceTelephoneBox 5 ай бұрын
Mimic =/= Glitchtrap.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Yep
@breadofloaf8535
@breadofloaf8535 5 ай бұрын
ID you have such solid theories all the time, at this point I just undoubtedly believe everything you say, they're so good
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Well, I would still make sure you question things, but thank you!!! I'm really glad you like them
@breadofloaf8535
@breadofloaf8535 5 ай бұрын
@@IDsFantasy ofcourse 😂
@PeanutButtervr22
@PeanutButtervr22 5 ай бұрын
Just wanted to say thanks, for making awesome content like this👍
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching!
@GohanFutureSSJ
@GohanFutureSSJ 5 ай бұрын
I kind of think in the next game that you might be able to escape and destroy everything but let's be honest the franchise is going to keep going but I think we might get Michael Afton back considering he may be alive so who knows.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Possibly
@dylanhudec979
@dylanhudec979 5 ай бұрын
I don’t think Afton is dead but I think he’s still in there somewhere
@ZavoyHarwood
@ZavoyHarwood 5 ай бұрын
Aftons been dead since ffps
@rad1165
@rad1165 5 ай бұрын
​​​​@@ZavoyHarwood No he not William is already dead and immortal to and you're just saying that to Let people have beliefs and opinions to. Also William Afton literally has voice line of coming back to. He immortal cuz of immortal remnants souls agony pain death ect itself and cassidy keep him immortal to and William wanted to be immortal and he is Immortal that's why he comes back. You may not recognize me at first but I assure you it's still me Glitchtrap decoded message inside princess quest William let me out it's me I always come back it's him that glitchtrap burntrap to.
@ZavoyHarwood
@ZavoyHarwood 5 ай бұрын
@@rad1165 he's been gone since ffps as the files directly call glitchtrap "helptrap" meaning he's a variant off mimic1
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Yep
@dylanhudec979
@dylanhudec979 5 ай бұрын
@@ZavoyHarwood clearly no one is talking to you
@xxGalaxiGachaxx
@xxGalaxiGachaxx 10 күн бұрын
I love your way of saying goodbye 😂 amazing video, makes a lot of sense too 👌
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 9 күн бұрын
Thanks XD I'm glad!
@thepurpleferretqueen
@thepurpleferretqueen 5 ай бұрын
This interpretation mixed with Rye Toast's interpretation would be a doozy. His leans toward Bonnie Bro being Cassie's dad and his name being Jeremy Fitzgerald. So basically, if we mix them together, Jeremy helped Micheal kill The Crying Child in an accident, was the bite of 87 victim, and chopped his face off in Help Wanted.
@IDsFantasy
@IDsFantasy 5 ай бұрын
Certainly condenses the Jeremy's at play XD
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