FNAF THEORY - Is Vanessa REALLY Vanny? Vanessa and Vanny EXPLAINED (FNAF Security Breach Theory)

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Wow is the FNAF lore a mess at this point.
The debate surrounding whether or not Vanessa is Vanny or if Vanessa isn’t Vanny and is a separate person has been a topic of contention amongst FNAF fans after the rooftop ending of Five Nights at Freddy’s Security Breach seemed to overturn the popularly held theory that the two are one and the same.
Many people have suggested the idea that Vanny/Vanessa’s spirit is bound to the Princess Quest games found throughout Freddy Fazbear’s Mega Pizzaplex by Glitchtrap, or that Vanessa and Vanny are twin sisters or something of the like.
However, with the information we have from the FNAF VR Help Wanted dialogue, the FNAF AR Special Delivery emails, and Vanessa’s therapy sessions on the Retro CD therapy tapes, I think that something else is going on. Something that would make sense if people really are being replaced like I suggest in my video on who Patient 46 from the Retro CDs is, and explain the parallels with Elizabeth Afton aka Circus Baby and Scrap Baby.
Feel free to disagree if you want, but in this video will be what I believe to be a potential solution to the puzzle we receive in FNAF Security Breach going off of my own theories and those suggested by other theorists such as MatPat from Game Theory and others. Hopefully, the answer I give will at least be somewhat satisfying (I’d be very surprised if this theory went over as well as my Patient 46 one lol).
NOTE: For this video, I tried to primarily reference found in the games. However, there is some evidence to be had from content that never made it into the game, such as the leaked emails showing that Luis remains in the IT department even after Vanessa says he's in marketing, Vanessa saying she wants a rabbit cake even though she's shown turning down candy thanks to the calorie count (methinks she isn't asking for that kind of cake for herself), and some elements from the first Security Breach trailer from Vanessa and William Afton's lines. Since these never made it into the final game, I avoid touching on them much in the video, but I do think they're still somewhat relevant in showing the original intentions Scott Cawthon and Steel Wool had for the lore of the games.
Comment if you have any questions!
Render credits: All by Scrappyboi and pulled from the Triple-A-Fazbear wiki. Unless I used the Burntrap one and I don’t remember if I did, but if I did, that one is by Amqerica
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[@IDsFantasy]

Anything I missed? Let me know so I can clear it up! Also, cloning is a possibility, since apparently Fazbear Entertainment in the Fazbear Frights books is involved in genetic engineering? And also Faz-goo. I didn't think to mention it till I had already recorded though XD

[@angelo91037]

One thing is that MatPat has theorized that the Princess Quest minigame could be possesed by Cassidy after the events of UCN and "The vengeful spirit" A.K.A Cassidy has left William in hell or cancelled the whole purgatory thing and set out to do something about glitchtrap through possesing that machine. There are many subtle pieces of evidence Like the location the parking lot and the colours. I don't exactly remember everything about this or to be sure it's true but it sounds pretty plausible. You could watch MatPat's video about this...Well if you haven't already

[@IDsFantasy]

I've definitely watched the Cassidy theory already and I agree with it XD. It's very cool and I have some thoughts on it. Don't know if I'll ever make a video on it though

[@angelo91037]

@@IDsFantasy I mean yeah There isn't a lot to talk about there

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah lol

[@loganentertainment1814]

I already subbed, and rang the bell. 😉😂

[@talonzilla1322]

Another detail that kind of goes into the whole "Green Eyes" thing is that in every ending where Vanny is supposedly unmasked, her eyes are never shown. In the fire ending when Vanny gets unmasked, her eyes are closed, and in the free Vanny ending, we never get a good enough look at Vanny/Vanessa's face, as she's too far away in one shot, and in the other she's facing the complete opposite direction. So if the green eyes mean that Vanessa/the Vanessa robot is possessed by Elizabeth it would still kinda make sense

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep! It's rather interesting that we never actually get to see her eye color in those endings, so for all we know, Vanny and Vanessa have two distinct eye colors. With how significant green eyes were to Elizabeth possessing Baby and the connections Vanessa seems to have with her, I wouldn't be surprised at all if hiding the eyes is intentional Thank you for the comment :D

[@tayloranderson7547]

Completely opposite direction. So if the eyes green eyes mean that Vanessa / Vanessa robot is possessed by Elizabeth it would still kind of make sense

[@SilentUnityy]

This gives me a whole new perspective on the Vanessa being Elizabeth theory. The only thing that I noticed you’re missing is how Elizabeth would escape the pizza place in Pizzeria Simulator while she’s burning and somehow finds Vanessa but I don’t really expect anyone to find a good answer on that yet unless it’s something simple like she just chilled when the Pizzaplex was built and found Vanessa when she started working there

[@IDsFantasy]

Oh yeah! My thoughts on that is that Circus Baby got destroyed, but Elizabeth's soul lingered either without a vessel or attached to circuit boards or the remains of stuff kinda like Glitchtrap came from circuit board scans. From there, the replacement Vanessa was made, and whatever was left of Elizabeth was transferred intentionally into her. That was one of the things I forgot to bring up in the video, but I hope this works as a potential explanation! Thank you for commenting :D

[@heyitzmae]

@@IDsFantasy i think it’s the other way around, elizabeth’s spirit was freed in the fire but the baby ai (who had effectively merged with elizabeth and retained her thoughts, feelings, and memories) remained

[@IDsFantasy]

@@heyitzmae The main reason I think that isn't the case is because the ai code would be pretty damaged and also, uh. Programmed for murdering kids and also wanting to do so. Vanessa in the game doesn't seem very murderous herself and seemed rather stressed in therapy, not seeming to want to be helping Glitchtrap, but doing so because she thought she had to. If it was the Baby ai that remained, I don't see why she would have those opinions, since she was more than willing to help her father commit stab (whereas Elizabeth, retaining the memories of her time as Baby but not the programmed behaviors would probably be less inclined to do so) But I do see where you're coming from :D

[@heyitzmae]

@@IDsFantasy oh yeah i kinda forgot that's how she was in pizzeria simulator lol. i was thinking more in terms of novel elizabeth, who reluctantly helps her father with his goals seemingly because she wants his approval, which lines up with vanessa much more

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah, I get what you mean. Book Circus Baby had Elizabeth be the one primarily in control, whereas in the games is seems to have been the other way around lol. It's a bit of a mess to keep all of them straight XD

[@heyitzmae]

honestly i’m completely convinced of this theory. it also explains why gregory is afraid of vanessa and why she’s trying to track him down. she needs to track him down since he’s interfering with vanny’s plans, and she’s afraid of how her father will punish her if she fails. she was probably on his tail before the events of the game itself even began since she needed to get him out of the picture, hence why gregory knows of and is hiding from her

[@IDsFantasy]

Exactly! Gregory definitely seems to know Vanessa is hunting him down, but is surprised by Vanny being a thing and that Vanny looks like Vanessa. Also like, in the first trailer for SB, Burntrap (presumably) threatens to burn two people if the one he's speaking to fails, and he can't very well burn Gregory if he escapes so who else would it be but Vanny and Vanessa? Thank you for watching and commenting! I'm glad you liked it :D

[@heyitzmae]

@@IDsFantasy ​ im really looking forward to see your other content because the two theories about sb you've done so far have been home runs as far as im concerned

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! I'm glad ^D^

[@hawaii5298]

Well, this certainly aged well. So so close.

[@sarah_notheotherone8954]

The whole Vanessa/Elizabeth/Vanny Connections through looks, behavior, and bad fathers gets me so pumped. I’ve always wanted to tie in Susie somehow cause there are just so many blonde girl w/ blue or green eyes. I’m almost positive it has more to do with constructing an image of innocence for the audience, but MAN, there are just so many blonde and blue/green eyed female victims. The Criminal Minds in me wants to make it work lol but love the video overall! Thanks for the hard work!

[@IDsFantasy]

Same! It's really cool to draw the parallels between the characters. Susie being connected would certainly be interesting, but I'm not sure how that would work. Chica makes an appearance in one of the Princess Quest games, but that's likely a hint towards the princess being Cassidy, who was killed after her. It's cool to speculate though. Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed the video and I appreciate the comment :D

[@tayloranderson7547]

Female victims . The Criminal Minds in me wants to make

[@caril.9384]

TOO! MANY! BLONDES! (although I believe Elizabeth is a redhead)

[@MissBethslays]

@@caril.9384 Elizabeth is alborn (spelled wrong) or ginger she was never blonde although ppl say she’s blonde in the books

[@thedarklordx]

This is a 10/10 theory. I believe you've solved it and MattPat needs to have you on Game Theory ASAP!

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! I'm glad you like it. I would also like to get these ideas to Game Theory, but unfortunately I don't think my channel is big enough to get MatPat's attention yet 😔 I'm really glad you like the theory though! Thank you for commenting :D

[@glasscardproductions4736]

Well, it sort of happened! :3

[@thedarklordx]

@@glasscardproductions4736 exactly as planned

[@LadyBernkastel92]

I'm a big fan of Vanessa being Baby. I think if Security Breach had been more forward looking than backwards looking in the lore I'd like it less, but if they're gonna bring William back I'm glad Baby gets to come back and get a chance at redemption and breaking away from her abusive father. I think out of all the theories I've seen on security breach this is my favorite one. Great vid, keep up the good work!

[@IDsFantasy]

I think it's really cool too, and I definitely agree that it wouldn't work as well if it was solely focused on the future. Since William is coming back, having Elizabeth come back as Vanessa trying to find a way out from his manipulation and Michael (very very likely) coming back again as Glamrock Freddy to defeat his father is a much better use of their characters in my mind than "Pizza Sim did nothing except kill the good guys" lol. I'm really glad you like this theory! The reaction I've gotten to this one was more mixed that my Patient 46 one, so I'm glad you enjoyed it! I'll do my best to keep it up. Thanks again :D

[@depressedkathryn747]

considering how most of the fazbear frights stories (like to be beautiful) are about a girl wanting to a popular “blonde” girl which if you think about it supports this theory very well. i’ve read the stories and noticed a pattern with a animatronic wanting to take a human body and pose as them especially in like i mentioned before in to be beautiful and that story is the most important since it is mentioned multiple times in the epilogues in each book

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah. Animatronics pretending to be or wanting to be human isn't a completely uncommon thing in FNAF, especially from those who were human once. Everyone was so quick to assume Gregory was a robot I don't think they really considered the possibility for other characters as much. Thank you for the comment :D

[@mr_h831]

That story is terrifying, the ending of is.... Ugh. Barf. Even though they dont describe it in detail, just the small details are enough for the mind to fill in what must've happened in order to get there. _shudders._

[@shadowmarauder6033]

This makes a lot of sense! Like you said, Matpat has been trying to connect Vanessa to Elizabeth but never really did, so this explanation makes a lot of sense. The only thing against the theory would be CC’s dedication to Afton, but even that is gone as shown in the books. So Elizabeth wanting to not only escape her dad but also liberate the real Vanessa is something that is very believable at this point in the story.

[@IDsFantasy]

I'm glad it does :D I assume instead of CC you mean Circus Baby, but yeah. To me it would make sense that Circus Baby's behavior was a combination of Elizabeth being a child wanting to be loved and, you know, murder programming. With her soul no longer in Baby and needing to stay under cover as a normal human, she wouldn't have that programming anymore, and all that would be left is a scared child being manipulated by her father who can't leave because the person who's life she took over is even more of a hostage than she is. Thank you for commenting! I really appreciate it :D

[@shadowmarauder6033]

@@IDsFantasy no problem! I had just found your video debunking Matpat’s “Golden freedy isn’t real theory” and got hooked on how thorough you were and the similar research yet had a calmer and honestly more tactical mindset. Keep up the great work!

[@IDsFantasy]

Cool! I'm glad you liked it! I will do my best to keep it up :D

[@consueno753]

Hey, first here (think) I love this take on the VanLiz and even tho the theory is kind off far fetch in moments, I cannot help that Scott or SW did intend Vannesa to be (or atleast resemble) Elizabeth from the Teraphy tapes, the mutual mortal love for ice cream and the physical appearance. But hey, it's just a Theory!

[@IDsFantasy]

I'm glad you like it! You're right that some parts are a bit of a stretch, but with some of the things that have been pulled in FNAF before it's not out of the realm of possibility XD But as you say, it is just a theory. A *Game Theory*! Thanks for watching (and commenting XD)

[@goossey2265]

A GAAAAME THEORY! Thanks for reading 😂

[@IDsFantasy]

XD

[@ragewireloki6213]

this also explains why she is the only night guard in the MASSIVE pizza plex. robots don’t have to deal with fatigue and I don’t think possession changes that given the animatronics consistent persistence in the series.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep! If anything, possession *increases* the level of energy the animatronics have. I talk about that a bit in my video on Freddy, but there have been plenty of instances where animatronics that shouldn't be functioning are because of their Remnant acting as a power source (see pretty much all the FFPS animatronics and the withereds from FNAF 2 lol)

[@ragewireloki6213]

@@IDsFantasy can’t wait for honda or whatever to implement these into there cars. THIS CAR IS FUELLED BY NEW ADVANCED REMNANT ENERGY THAT LASTS YEARS!

[@ragewireloki6213]

@@IDsFantasy also more fuel. vanessa and baby both have the same actor.

[@IDsFantasy]

Too bad Remnant is typically created through agony and murder rip lol

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep! I think I did include that in the video somewhat in the section where I talk about how Vanny and Vanessa have different voice actors, at least as a written note on screen, but I wouldn’t be surprised if I forgot to directly call it out lol. But yeah, that definitely adds fuel to the evidence fire!

[@michaellynes3540]

Heather Masters: VA for Vanessa and Glamrock Chica in “Security Breach” and Circus Baby in “Sister Location”, “Freddy Fazbear’s Pizzeria Simulator”, “FNAF: UCN”, and “FNAF: Help Wanted”. Jessica Tang: VA for Vanny in “FNAF: Help Wanted: The Curse of Dreadbear”. Marta Svetek: VA for Vanny, Gregory and Glamrock Roxy in “Security Breach”.

[@midgematic8659]

👏I 👏love 👏this! I for one have had so much trouble with the same questions asked here, like G.freddy’s “Vanny=Vanessa+Bunny” comment made my eyes roll into the back of my head for how pointed the writers were. Why would they ask that when to the community, Vanessa being Vanny is one of the most obvious things that we almost dont believe it? But with this I actually have reasons to think that this was an intentional red herring haha. “No one suspects anything” both in her world and ours me thinks, we really didn’t even think about that

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! I felt the same way when he made that comment like "dude, we've known this for at least a year, what are you talking about", but it makes a lot of sense if they were trying to throw us off the trail, especially with the inclusion of the rooftop ending, and with closer inspection there is evidence besides the ending to suggest they're different people. I'm really glad you liked the video! Thank you for commenting :D

[@sierra3052]

That can only be a red herring if Steel Wool is...fantastically bad at writing. Like, red herring exist to hide twists. Harry Potter for example, has Snape be a huge red herring in book 1 but with the end reveal it recontextualises it all. That's not really something that happens in SB. Edit: It's also worth asking who is it obvious to? If you're a new player, then that's the only thing that points to it at all.

[@IDsFantasy]

@@sierra3052 I mean, Security Breach seems to have undergone major story rewrites, so it's very possible that the game was originally meant to show more evidence towards Vanny and Vanessa being separate than there ended up being due to both characters' lack of presence in the final product. For example, in the first Security Breach trailer, Afton says "if you fail me, you will...both of you...burn!" He can't exactly burn Gregory in that scenario, since he would have escaped. However, it would make sense if he's threatening Vanessa (who has him compartmentalized and he wouldn't be able to directly control like Vanny) by using burning her and Vanny. There is also evidence from prior games Security Breach that hints to the two being separate people, some of which I go over in the video. And FNAF is notorious for being confusing (Michael being Springtrap and not even revealing the identity of William Afton until the book series comes to mind) But I understand where you're coming from. I hope you have a great rest of your day :D

[@Samuel_Catthew]

Why are you so underrated? :0 This theory is so FREAKING GOOD/srs

[@IDsFantasy]

I'm really glad you like the theory! :D I was kinda worried that it wouldn't go over well, so I'm glad that you like it My channel only really started growing a bit over a month ago with my theory on Patient 46, so I'm not really surprised that my channel is still small, but I'm glad you think my content is good enough to deserve the title of "underrated" XD Thank you for commenting! It means a lot :D

[@Samuel_Catthew]

@@IDsFantasy You're welcome :))

[@Gr4nd_Mast3r]

I like the theory and agree that it lines up the best with the information we know so far, but I think the biggest gray area regarding this line of thinking is what new Vanessa really is--because I don't think she's a robot, but like you said, the method of duplication probably doesn't matter as much as the fact that she is duplicated.

[@IDsFantasy]

I'm glad you like it! Yeah, I completely understand where you're coming from. The reason I went with robot is because it matches up best with what we've seen from the series previously and spirits usually possessing robots, but with the new direction the series is headed she could definitely be like...a clone or something lol. Who knows at this point XD Thank you for commenting. I appreciate it :D

[@Takejiro24]

You know what I'm noticing: Vanny's voicelines in HW and cut dialogue from SB has a noticeable echo to them. Like's they're ghostly. Including the teaser trailer where she tells Gregory his friends are worried about. And her voice literally glitches when she explains her volatile behavior was just a "glitch".

[@IDsFantasy]

That is definitely interesting. I try to steer clear of cut content as evidence for my theories though with how much the story looks like it's changed throughout development 😅 Thank you for commenting!

[@joseystrife8780]

I think this theory explains almost everything and is almost perfect the only thing is the idea of Vanessa literally being Elizabeth Afton I think it's more likely that Vanessa is the in game equivalent to Charlie from the original novels animatronic that doesn't know that it's animatronic which would explain her shock and confusion at looking down at Vanny since theres no reason to pretend to be someone when you believe you are that person and it would still allow her to be a stand in for Elizabeth

[@IDsFantasy]

I’m glad you like it! And fair enough. The reason I think she actually is Elizabeth rather than just someone like book Charlie (who I think Gregory would fit better if he is in fact a robot) is partly because she shares a voice actor with Circus Baby, partly because the way she acts in therapy matches up very well with Elizabeth’s life, and this Easter Egg from FNAF VR where if after one of the mini games you throw darts at three clown pictures, you get a message saying “It’s Me”, implying that Elizabeth is likely in the game’s code, at least in a similar way to Glitchtrap (Here’s a link to someone getting it if you want to check it out, and I’m pretty sure MatPat said it was legit too kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqC1qHePfrtmi9k ). Unfortunately, I wasn’t aware of this while working on the video so I wasn’t able to include it, but I think it’s definitely some evidence to Elizabeth being around some capacity. If you disagree though, that’s totally fine lol Thank you for commenting! I really appreciate it :D

[@joseystrife8780]

@@IDsFantasy I definitely believe there's a connection between Vanessa and Elizabeth there's just far too many similarities for there not to be but I do not believe Vanessa is the Elizabeth who was Baby I believe that if Vanessa is Elizabeth she has no conscious memory of her time as Baby since if Vanessa really is a reluctant follower that doesn't fit with the Elizabeth we know as Baby who seemed eager to make her daddy proud

[@IDsFantasy]

@@joseystrife8780 Understandable tbh. It's something I thought about as well. My thoughts on that was that since Circus Baby's AI and programming seemed to have taken primary control of the animatronic and Elizabeth's spirit, that is why Elizabeth, who should be an innocent little girl who wanted her dad to be proud of her, is so hostile as Circus Baby. However, as Vanessa, she wouldn't have the Circus Baby animatronic's programming and corrupt Remnant and whatnot, at least not as strongly since as Vanessa she isn't supposed to be doing the same things Baby was, and as such would be able to realize what she had done and what William was doing. However, she still would likely have to desire for her father's love, even though she would realize what's actually going on to a greater degree, which in addition to a fear of what'll happen if she disobeys, is why she helps him. Too bad she shows up too little in Security Breach for us to get a better idea of her motives :') Fingers crossed for DLC

[@joseystrife8780]

@@IDsFantasy that makes sense as for motive I just chalked it up to both Vanessa and Vanny being under the control or influence of either the Glitchtrap virus or Burntrap to some extent

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah, I'd be very surprised if he wasn't involved in some capacity lol

[@stranger5011]

The deleted Vanessa lines pretty much confirm she is Vanny (she appears to be talking with William)

[@IDsFantasy]

I kinda talk about this in the video, but I think Vanessa is actively helping William as herself, so that wouldn't mean she has to be Vanny. I've looked at those lines and while I think she is likely talking to William in those, the fact that she's aware of Glitchtrap in the therapy sessions and remembers the manipulative messages means she could still be helping William without being Vanny, especially if she is Elizabeth who would be more easily influenced by him. Throw in the fact that the Vanny costume is shown to not be the product of illusion discs when Gregory takes off her mask, the fact that Vanny shows up seconds after Vanessa in the Lost and Found and how Vanessa and Vanny patrol different areas of the building simultaneously, it implies that the two coexist which wouldn't be possible unless there are two people. Vanessa being a duplicate created based on the original Vanny-Vanessa would account for their similarities as well as explain how Vanessa seems to be helping while still remembering helping. Plus, the fact that they were deleted could mean that she was originally intended to be Vanny but the idea was scrapped, especially when there's some evidence in other scrapped lines such as from the trailer that hint towards them being two people. As such, scrapped dialogue isn't very sturdy as evidence when compared to evidence from the game that directly contradicts it, you know? Hopefully we'll get more information in the DLC when it comes out, since I'd be very surprised if one or both of them didn't make an appearance. Thank you for commenting! I hope you have a nice rest of your day :D

[@daelix20]

i was thinking twins, but honestly this theory makes more sense. maybe vennesa made the other her as a way to try and rebel against glitchtrap, a way to perserve her life if she failed.

[@IDsFantasy]

I'm glad the theory makes sense! Huh. That would definitely be interesting. If that's the case, I'm not sure why the replacement Vanessa would be communicating with Glitchtrap, but the idea of her being intended to be the new Vanessa if the original Vanessa died is pretty cool! Thank you for commenting :D

[@bluestrangler0447]

Okay ngl when you started playing the video of Baby saying "how to pretend" my jaw dropped LMAO. Great theory, I could definitely see this being the case

[@IDsFantasy]

XD I'm glad it had the intended impact. Thank you! I'm glad you think so :D

[@cpugal.]

Matpat has to see this

[@IDsFantasy]

I hope he does! Thank you for commenting :D

[@bombbros5944]

Hmmm interesting. I think Elizabeth in a sense is Vanny but they’re still 1 single entity. Also mini horrible theory to that Vanny is an animatronic thing is because funko made a plush of her and that seems odd considering she’s just a costume. It would be like seeing a fredbear plush but with human parts on it. Yeah the theory I brought up was stupid but eh it’s something.

[@IDsFantasy]

I think Elizabeth is Vanessa, not Vanny, and that Vanessa (from Security Breach) is the one that would be an animatronic. Sorry if I didn't explain that clearly enough in the video! XD that would be interesting. For the Funko plush, it makes sense that they would make it since there is someone inside the costume and that's how the character is shown in the game, if that makes sense. I guess it's something to think about though lol Thank you for commenting, even if you disagree with my theory a bit :D

[@bombbros5944]

@@IDsFantasy it certainly is something to think about. And no prob. What I’m trying to say is that Vanny either has to be a separate person from Vanessa and possibly an animatronic or not. A lot of my theories just involve decent amount of evidence.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah, I definitely think that Vanny and Vanessa are separate and that there is a lot of evidence to point towards that

[@bombbros5944]

@@IDsFantasy true

[@anthonysaylor8120]

This also gives a darker irony to the "Disassemble Vanny" ending - the wrong Vanessa was torn apart like some common machine.

[@IDsFantasy]

Y e p

[@TNTz1oochannelofficial]

This explains everything I wasn't sure about. I thought Vanessa could be Elizabeth but wasn't too sure how it was possible if there was two of them and how the whole being trapped by Glitchtrap thing would work.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep! I'm glad I could provide a solution! Thank you for commenting :D

[@quinnmaillot3882]

This was a cool theory to see, some points I think are worth mentioning are the body language Vanessa (the security guard) shows during that ending, she's not in a hurry or panicked, I'd even go so far as to say she looks like she expected something bad to happen, and with her looking down, her expression to me reads as "I was too late". There's more that could be unpacked there, but its worth noting that she isn't even slightly surprised, so bare minimum, she knows and has known who Vanny is, and possibly was trying to either save them, or track them down, but of course, was too late in that ending. Narrative wise I'm not sure I like the idea of either Charlie or Elizabeth surviving to SB because of the fnaf 6 ending and Henry's sacrifice, I personally belive the only souls to live to security breach should be Cassidy and William, unless crying child hitched a ride or something, there's also the trend of Elizabeth tending to be kind of murderous in all of her incarnations across the books and the games, even with that I'm not 100% against the idea, I think there's some serious insight here, and I hope these thoughts get considered when building the story going forward.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah, that's totally possible. I think they probably did stick around, but it'll be interesting to see what ends up getting confirmed!

[@vbbrothers]

This is farfetched but what if: Vanny blackmailed or threatend Vanessa so that she could do all the illegal stuff and undertook plastic surgery to look like vanessa so that when she gets caught,Vanessa's life would be over.

[@IDsFantasy]

Huh. That would certainly be interesting if it was true. I don't think it matches well with what we see about Vanessa and the whole Glitchtrap thing going on, but it's cool to think about! Thank you for commenting :D

[@MakiPcr]

I've been hearing FNAF theories and I can't believe this is the first time "maybe it's a robot replacement" comes up, in the robot-replacement series

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah lol

[@leonardoamiraguilarhernand3858]

Just ay 7:56, an ad popped and the tension was real, like a cliffhanger on a TV episode.

[@IDsFantasy]

XD nice lol

[@cosmiclepanda]

So, MatPat mentioned in a recent video that there could be more than one Vanessa. You and he explained a lot which is great. The one thing I think you guys did miss is the security room that Gregory was held in after Security Guard Vanessa put him in, and on the monitor it shows SG Vanessa lecturing him about being a nuisance, then suddenly cuts off to Vanny. Would be an odd thing to do if it was a pre-recorded message. Another thing to point out is the Princess Quest ending, Gregory meets up with Vanessa at the entrance, but if the theory is true about there being more than one Vanessa, where would SG Vanessa be? Funny how there is a quick wardrobe change from Vanny, to SG outfit, to everyday clothing.

[@IDsFantasy]

For the lost and found room when Vanessa is talking to Gregory, I don't think that's a prerecorded message. Rather, I think as soon as Vanessa finished speaking, Vanny hijacked the signal kind of like she does in the security office with the floor vent As for the Princess Quest ending, I believe that's Elizabeth/SG Vanessa, and Vanny went back to her normal life. I think I touch on this in the video Thank you for commenting!

[@spanishdexter]

I like this theory. It basically means the Vanessa we left with during the princess quest ending, has a clean slate to start from, possibly adopting Greg and taking care of him with Freddy. Its more fitting because with this theory in mind, both his new guardians would be animatronics. In that same ending, og Vanessa probably left to track down Luis and take him up on his coffee offer lol now glitchy isn’t in her head at that point. So in some ways its a good ending for both people with this theory.

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! And yep, that was pretty much my thought process. Replacement Vanessa isn't locked into OG Vanessa's life anymore, so she can live her own sorta-life with Gregory and Freddy, while OG Vanessa is able to actually live her own life without Glitchtrap messing with her head. Happy ending for everyone :D I'm glad you enjoyed the theory. Thank you for the comment :D

[@spanishdexter]

@@IDsFantasy not a problem! Its a new prospective I think many in the FNAF community hasn’t thought of until now. Now I have this head-canon of OG and Replacement running into each other at a random cafe later lol

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah, I was kinda surprised no one else had brought it up as soon as we saw the rooftop ending and MatPat mentioned the whole Elizabeth thing. Makes much more sense to me this way lol Oh my gosh that would be hilarious. I love that XD

[@spanishdexter]

@@IDsFantasy Gregory and Freddy would be so confused XD

[@IDsFantasy]

@@spanishdexter They would and it would be glorious XD

[@satellitewest1027]

I agree with the theory because you point out baby and Elizabeth situation it interested Matpat or Dawko need to see this

[@IDsFantasy]

I'm glad! And I hope either or both of them see it at some point as well. Thank you for commenting :D

[@TheAbigailDee]

This is so sad oh my god. Like it's so well explained and it's broken my heart!! Well done

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah. Elizabeth has gotten screwed over by William so many times, and unfortunately Security Breach doesn't seem to change that for her 😔 I'm glad that I was able to explain it well and that you like the video! Thank you for commenting :D

[@loganentertainment1814]

The whole thing about Vannessa observing from the Pizza Plex when it was on fire, is supposed to be symbolic. At least it's what Matpat theorizes. We're better off waiting to see if the DLC or the next Fnaf game could give us more answers.

[@IDsFantasy]

I know MatPat said it was symbolic, but I explain why I don't think that's the case in the video. It doesn't make sense to include it or to show it happening in that way if it's just symbolic, and MatPat doesn't really explain why that's the only possible answer, especially since none of the endings show something that is solely symbolic and not something that could possibly happen, even if there may be symbolism in those endings. As such, I think that is Vanessa making an actual appearance on top of the building. Plus I think a replacement Vanessa gives a much better solution than just "the ending is symbolic and therefore not actually happening the way it's shown", since to me that just seems like an excuse to not have to change the original idea we had about Vanny and Vanessa. While DLC could give more answers, I think what I go over in the video gives pretty solid evidence as to why they're separate. Thank you for commenting :D

[@loganentertainment1814]

That's fair.

[@loganentertainment1814]

P.s. I recommend you make a theory that either backs up or debunks the idea That The Princess is Golden Freddy/Cassidy.

[@IDsFantasy]

I've thought about mentioning it in a video. If I do, it would probably be in like, a mini theory collection or some since I don't think I'd have too much to say.

[@loganentertainment1814]

Yeah, considering Matpat has already convinced me. If you'd like any ideas for a video, I'll see if I can give you any ideas.

[@DerpaTure9503]

I think it's worth pointing out that the casting for the Retro CDs was done only 3 months before the game's release. They were a last minute addition, so the inconsistency with Vanny claiming nobody is suspicious likely just stems from that line having been written way before the therapy stuff was in anyone's mind.

[@IDsFantasy]

It's possible, but with FNAF, I try not to dismiss anything like that in case it does turn out to be important Thank you for commenting!

[@PedroInTheBathroom]

I do like this theory a lot, and yeah of course the non vanny vanessa is elizabeth at this point, but I think you might have gotten your order of events wrong. See, a common thread in this plotline is that everyone (besides the puppet so far) that died in the pizzaria simulator fire actually didn't die and came back. That being the case, we have an explanation for william's, cassidy's and michael's souls inhabiting the bodies they end up inhabiting. William was recovered from his burnt body and used as code inside fnaf VR, along with cassidy which had to be in the same parts trying to keep william in the fnaf custom night hell before the pieces were taken, and michael possessed glamrock freddy whenever vanessa brought him down there to be possessed by william. Elizabeth however can only be explained time wise if she is ALSO in the scrapped parts used in fnaf VR. This then leads me to believe that the original fnaf VR and AR vanessa is the one possessed by elizabeth, and vanny the one possesed by glitchtrap, and not vice-versa as you suggested. Vanessa isn't actually possessed by william ads she stopped the possessing process, but in doing so her soul got stuck inside the game and was replaced by the other soul in the equipment/game: elizabeth. Glitchtrap then started to manipulate elizabeth through the messages and the info given to the therapists until elizabeth agrees to work with him. I think this also ties into pacient 46: this person *has* to be possessed by glitchtrap, and is probably the one responsible for building the copy that becomes vanny. One detail I'm not sure of is if vanny is actually a robot: in the princess quest ending, her mask and bowtie being on the ground kinda symbolize to me her body just... stopped existing. I think maybe it's kinda like a hologram trying to take physical shape in the real world? Which would explain why vanny could roam around the pizzaplex and only eletronic equipment could see her (and gregory bc he's a robot)? Idk I don't have a full theory but the point I think you might have gotten wrong is I think vanny is the glitchtrap possesed one and original vanessa is the elizabeth possesed one.

[@IDsFantasy]

I'm glad you like the theory, even if you disagree on some things :D You make some good points. The reason I think that beta-tester Vanessa is the one possessed by Glitchtrap is because the consciousness transfer was with Glitchtrap specifically. I do think that Elizabeth's soul could have been obtained in a similar way that Glitchtrap got involved, and even maybe be connected to FNAF VR, but if Glitchtrap could be the one in non-beta-tester Vanessa, I see no reason why Elizabeth couldn't, especially with what I mention about Elizabeth being good at pretending to be someone she's not and the suspicion beta-tester Vanessa was getting. However, what you suggest could definitely be possible! As for Vanny being a robot, if she is the one that's a robot, I don't think she's a hologram since she's able to open doors, make physical contact with Gregory, and get knocked off the building by Freddy and die, so even if she is a robot, I think she's physically there. TLDR; I agree that Glitchtrap is possessing Vanny, but I think where we disagree is which one is the original Vanessa XD Thanks for sharing your theory! It's very cool :D

[@hitecfox605]

I had a similar theory, that vanny is Elizabeth/burn baby but she's using an ilusion disk to look like vanny/Vannesa and be insisible for the animatronics

[@IDsFantasy]

Interesting! I do think illusion discs might be involved in some way, but I have thought of some other alternatives that make sense with where I think the story is going. Thanks for commenting :D

[@eldritch-tailedfeydeer7320]

My old headcanon was that is was Vanny who was the robot, an endo or something in a costume, possibly with Glitchtrap inside it, being controlled by Vanessa, the night guard. My, my how the turn tables.

[@IDsFantasy]

XD yep. I did consider that but with Vanny seeming to be the brainwashed one and Vanessa having the connections to a dead kid, it made sense to me that Vanny is the original with Vanessa being the robot. I think it's a neat twist Thank you for commenting! I appreciate it :D

[@triinuliiskuul1259]

Your points were really good, but there is one thing one the record tapes Vanessa says that she doesn't like dark caves and likes reading outside, but there is also a tape where she says to the therapist to close the curtains and move the flowers away which is kind of suspicious, like the therapist is talking to another person

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! I’m glad you think so. That was actually a different patient (number 46. Vanessa is number 71) who didn’t like the flowers, so the therapist actually is talking to a different person in that one. Hopefully that clears things up! Thank you for commenting :D

[@allizebrikkels115]

Idk what to say, but I like the theory. Nothing to add or anything but really cool vid

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! I’m really glad you like it :D Thank you for commenting, even if you can’t think of much to say. I appreciate it :D

[@loganentertainment1814]

P.s. When you watch FAFOT Episode 4, we see Vanessas face and with yellow eyes. For some reason, Vanessa's eyes are still green. Who's to say that the person we saw was Vanny, and we also don't see her eye color when she's unmasked, because her eyes are closed.

[@IDsFantasy]

True. My thought on that read that it was probably the lighting for that scene specifically, but what you mention about not seeing Vanny's eye color definitely has potential to connect back to the idea that Elizabeth or different people are involved. It's very interesting

[@loganentertainment1814]

Yeah it is. Can't wait to see your next video.

[@IDsFantasy]

:D

[@loganentertainment1814]

If yo rever want to talk, I can give you my discord? That is if you use Discord.

[@IDsFantasy]

I do use Discord, but it helps the algorithm if we talk in the comments XD Maybe at some point though

[@sirius8534]

My Theory Is Mostly Vanny Being Vanessa’s Doppelgänger

[@IDsFantasy]

That's definitely possible, but I feel like it would be a bit of a cop out answer, you know? Thank you for commenting!

[@puan1211]

Great theory 👍

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! I'm glad you like it :D

[@KevinBaconWasKevinTaken]

I just had a thought- What if when you beat the princess quest games, it frees Cassidy from the games so that Glitchtrap can be easily taken down, causing all of the staffbots and Vanessa to be released from his control...

[@IDsFantasy]

Possibly!

[@TotoisinToronto]

ID, ID. I saw your new video had comments disabled. Either you did this on purpose which you may have but if not and you want to enable them go into KZbin studio, click on the video in question and then click tags and other stuff. You’ll then see something that says comments and it will say disabled, so you can change it back to comments enabled. If it resets then you can just do it again. Hope that helps!

[@IDsFantasy]

I did not! I have reenabled commenting. Thank you for letting me know so quickly :D

[@TotoisinToronto]

@@IDsFantasy No problem! Gotta support the awesome smaller KZbin channels!

[@IDsFantasy]

I appreciate it! :D

[@TotoisinToronto]

@@IDsFantasy :D

[@Jayuro_Okami]

The thing wrong about this is because Vanessa and Vanny switch back and forth in the therapy sessions. And if we go off of what you're saying, what really happens to the replacement Vanessa? Also, how would have fake Vanessa been made? There are just too many questions with this theroy.

[@IDsFantasy]

The thing is, Vanessa and Vanny don't switch back in the therapy sessions (I assume you're referring to Patient 46, and there is a lot of evidence proving them to be different as I explain in one of my other videos, and even if you're not referring to 46, I've seen no evidence of them swapping within Vanessa's sessions). I'm not sure what you mean by what happens to the replacement Vanessa, since I'm pretty sure I explain in the video that she ends up being the Vanessa we see in Security Breach and the therapy sessions? As for how she's made, I think that a robot version is made kind of like how in the books, Charlie is a robot who she and everyone else believes to be human for years, so it's definitely possible for a robot that looks human to exist modeled after the original Vanessa. If you have any other questions or confusion, I'm happy to try and explain further

[@Jayuro_Okami]

@@IDsFantasy The thing is that therapists will change the way they speak depending on the personality their client has at that moment of time. There are recordings where the therpists might know about Vanessa's spilt personality and I believe that while maybe the replacement Vanessa is also scared of Afton which if we say that a part of Elizabeth's personality is present in the replacement Vanessa, maybe Elizabeth could also be talking to the therapists as well. Then again, there are still plot holes with that idea, in my opinion. To be honest it wasn't to clear on what happened to Elizabeth/Fake Vanessa as while sure Elizabeth could have died in the Burntrap ending but if we go off of the Good Vanny ending, there really isn't anything pointing to a fake Vanessa. I'm not saying you're theroy on this was bad, ID Fantasy, there is just some plot holes that need to be filled.

[@IDsFantasy]

I get what you mean about the therapists changing the way they act based on their client, but the problem is I don't see any instances of it with Vanessa's sessions (and I don't think the other sessions are Vanny's or Elizabeth's). As for the Good Vanny ending, there's also no evidence to show that the Vanessa that left with Gregory and Glamrock Freddy was Vanny since all we see is the mask left on the floor and then a Vanessa leaving the building, so my reference to that ending was mostly to explain that I think that was Vanessa-Elizabeth. And Vanessa doesn't really show up in any other endings, so I didn't feel the need to mention them. I'm glad you don't think the theory is bad XD. Unfortunately, the game leaves a lot of things left open ended and we don't know what's going to come from future games, so confusion is to be expected with pretty much any theory. Thanks for commenting :D

[@Jayuro_Okami]

@@IDsFantasy I agree, and the problem with Scott basically leaving the FNaF series is a problem because the box in FNaF 4 is not explained, we don't know which soul was actually responsible for trapping Afton in UCN. There are just way too many things that aren't explained at all.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah. Though I'm pretty sure the soul responsible for Ultimate Custom Night is the Cassidy/whoever was possessing Golden Freddy given the cutscene from beating 50/20 mode, but there are a lot of things that are left unsaid that make it harder to figure out what's going on unfortunately

[@leonardoamiraguilarhernand3858]

Also, I never thought the second Vanessa was her spirit since spirits in the franchice have always been depicted as white with black tears except when you are in the literall purgatory.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah that's my thought

[@insurancelicensing6357]

The way you think through this is really amazing. I love it!

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! I'm glad like it! Thanks for commenting :D

[@redline49]

So, coming back to this video again after about a month or so, and I've come to some conclusions and come to understand why so many theorists believe Vanny and Vanessa are the same person. Because it was definitely the original plan. The plan was absolutely for Vanny and Vanessa to be one in the same, as shown by the unused 'Vanny Meter' as was shared originally that would change Vanessa into Vanny. And I think that's where everyone is going wrong. They were INTENDED to be the same person. But the Vanny Meter was scrapped, and there's a good chance that with it the idea of 'Vanny and Vanessa' being the same person was ALSO scrapped with it. They intended for them to be one in the same, but down the line plans changed and it resulted in them being different entities. I think that's why theorists are having so much trouble with this, because they were SUPPOSED to be the same person but that wasn't the result that we got.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep. That's what I'm thinking

[@toyloliSpare]

I LOVE THIS THEORY! I had been theorizing on my own that Vanny / Glitchtrap is not William, but in fact Alizabeth. It just seamed suss to me that, if William was possessing 'Vanny' then why did he need the burned glitchtrap. Cause lets me honest, burn trap is just springtrap having been burned. It made more sense that Elizabeth/Baby was trying to ressurect William. Which adds in to this idea. And it Glitchtrap was Elizabeth to begin with, she just needed Vannessa to built a host body for her!

[@IDsFantasy]

Neat! I don't think Glitchtrap is Elizabeth (I think he's primarily anchored to Burntrap, as that has William's corpse), but cool :)

[@springtrap9403]

Like the theory, I still think Vanessa is Vanny but good theory, and Miss Afton die from being spring locked.

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! I'm glad you like it even if you disagree on some of it :D

[@saryntoews]

OML the way I’ve been gobbling up your FNAF lore videos! They are so well written and explained. I’m new the whole FNAF universe

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! I'm glad you like them. And welcome to the fandom!

[@artistsatyanikhil641]

The green eyes thing is kinda hinted because when we kill vanny in the fire ending ,her eyes are closed and hence the only eyes we see from vanny are from vannessa

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep. It could very well be that they have different eye colors! :D

[@paulasepulveda413]

Yes! 🙌 I love this!

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! I'm glad you like it :D

[@Adventist9917]

It took so long for someone to make this video, but I'm glad it was you. Good job btw. 👍

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! I’d been wondering why I hadn’t seen anyone suggest these ideas before, so I’m glad that I was able to help with that. I’m glad you enjoyed the video :D

[@Adventist9917]

@@IDsFantasy Are you gonna make more theory videos? There's a ton to make on FNAF alone, but I really want more FNAF theories. 😂

[@IDsFantasy]

I do have more FNAF theories planned! I'm planning on eventually doing some other stuff as well, but I have a lot of stuff to talk about in the realm of theorizing :D

[@affaaffaafjkfabhjkfa3708]

So Vanny is good but she's being controlled while Vanessa is evil but acts Good?

[@IDsFantasy]

Not exactly? Basically Vanny is directly possessed/influenced by the Glitchtrap virus while Vanessa is being manipulated into doing what Afton wants without him changing her personality or taking control, if that makes sense. Thanks for asking :D

[@affaaffaafjkfabhjkfa3708]

@@IDsFantasy So wait,then who's Elizabeth at the end,Vanny or Vanessa?Cuz I don't see Baby being happy of losing her father and adopting Gregory.

[@IDsFantasy]

The thing with that is that Elizabeth isn't Baby. She was possessing Baby, but Circus Baby's AI and programming was the dominant entity. Vanessa (with Elizabeth's soul) doesn't have murder programmed in, and as such would be able to see how horrible William is, but would still be susceptible to his manipulation and threats, especially since FNAF spirits don't age so mentally she's a child who's just really good at playing a role, which is why she goes along with things even though she knows they're wrong. Also we don't know that Vanessa adopts Gregory in the Princess Quest ending and Burntrap doesn't get destroyed, just that Glitchtrap's hold of Vanny is broken I hope that clarifies things :D

[@hunky-dory2735]

Why am I just stumbling across your channel?? Love the content!!!

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! I'm glad you like it :D

[@RedSpade37]

This is really neat! Watching videos like yours makes me wish we had gotten whatever version of this game that would exist without all the delays and the pandemic. I can't help but feel, in another timeline, the game could have been, at least, a little better. Still, though, these ideas you've presented here on your channel are rather thought-provoking, and I look forward to watching the rest!

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! And yeah, that would have been neat. Unfortunately a combination of rushing and cutting stuff seems to have left a lot of the story hidden :( I'm glad you like my content! Thank you :D

[@Roxy_Wolf_87]

I’m new to your channel and I think your theories make a lot of sense. I really liked it.

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! I'm glad you like them

[@nosferty7234]

It's amazing that all the stuff on how Vanessa is a lookalike decoy and "fall guy" for vanny as she gets ro run around in the background doing her thing is exactly how William and his lookalike, mike, would be doing their thing since the very start, as evidenced by the fnaf3 minigames, more specifically, the shadow bonnie/glitchtrap game where he glitches through all the other minigames

[@IDsFantasy]

:D

[@nosferty7234]

@ID's Fantasy sorry if all I'm saying is old news btw lol

[@winningabyss5240]

This is a very well made video! Thank you for sharing, very helpful!

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! No problem

[@v3nuz]

My personal take on the theory: Elizabeth pulled an elanore, killing someone and using illusion disks to look like someone. After realizing that Vanessa works for her father, she uses the illusion disks to look like her. Vanny is the original Vanessa, while Elizabeth is the rooftop Vanessa. I believe that Elizabeth uses illusion disks because i find it odd that both times illusion disks are used they sre connected to Elizabeth. Elanore looks a lot like Elizabeth, and Elizabeth uses illusion disks in the Charlie books to be the fourth charlie. Coincidence? I think not. Also, Elizabeth craves Williams attention, as seen in the fourth closet, allowing him to easily manipulate his daughter. Following MatPats theory that Elizabeth remade the fazbear company, William instructed Elizabeth to make the pizza plex, allowing vanny to catch more children. I believe in Gregbot and Glamike, so it also works in a narrative pov. All the Afton's in one place, with also the possibility of charlie (the door in thr post-it note room called charlie door) and henry (no reason, but it just makes sense)

[@IDsFantasy]

Nice theory! Though I disagree somewhat on Elizabeth's intentions. From the therapy tapes she seems pretty terrified, you know? Thank you for commenting!

[@v3nuz]

@@IDsFantasy Good point lol Ive never gotten into listening to the tapes so i don't really know

[@0Unknown-0]

In the five nights at Freddy’s official character encyclopedia book it states that Vanessa and vanny are indeed the same person but “vanny is the side of her that’s in thrall to glitchtrap”

[@IDsFantasy]

Actually it says they "seem" to be, not that they are

[@zeroknight1311]

Hey just found the vid and I love it. Plus we could throw in Matt's theory about how Fazbear is back into the mix. As it explains why someone would hire Vanessa when she doesn't have the qualifications to be a security guard. Since it's not surprising to imagine William doing what Henry did in the books. I mean the man lost his daughter before he got stuck in the storage room of a run down Freddy's. So he had a lot of time to make many robot versions of his daughter each at different stages of her life. After all, Vanny discovering one would make it possible for her to have an alibi as she's kidnapping kids and potentially replacing/infecting them. Plus the poster for the DLC Ruin has what looks like Elizabeth in it. As for how she would discover the many robots that William had made? Well from William himself. After all, if the books are to be believed, William's soul got merged with the circuit boards inside of Fazbear storage facility... after he exploded. Anyway, after infecting her, William told her about where the other versions of herself are.

[@IDsFantasy]

Thanks! And yeah, it's possible. It'll be very interesting to see what evidence the DLC will have Thank you for commenting!

[@maleficdagon4538]

Compartmentalize could mean divided and stored away, Vanessa could be tapegirl and your character in VR is vanny puting the virus back together

[@IDsFantasy]

Interesting idea

[@ghosted7215]

Bro you figured it out before matpat 😭 but good video :]

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you!

[@velevetyyflies]

actually this theory matches up with why baby's mask in the blob isn't lit up (the puppet's isn't either. maybe this has something to do with gregory or freddy?), as well as knock down that confusing ending. thats so cool omg. i personally still believe in the vanny = vanessa with the confusing ending though because in the TFC graphic novel, i noticed all the missing children's souls look like normal humans like vanessa in that ending. but the books never perfectly line up with game lore though so who knows lol. i really wish we saw more ness and vanny in the games, because even if they're not what everyone wanted them to be, i still see tons of potential and different directions for their stories.

[@velevetyyflies]

ooh and while im here what if patient 46 is jeremy? assuming he didn't die ofc. theres parallels between jeremy messing with masks, and patient 46 with masks and disguises, and also that patient 46 has been in therapy longer than vanessa (jeremy mightve been sent during his beta testing days). its stated that tape girl's office was stolen from, all the animatronics are gone. i think jeremy mightve been involved, and this could link to why he's at the pizzaplex; to dump it in the old pizzeria (which is why the blob has so many familiar faces not seen in fnaf 6), and aid in hacking the pizzaplex. patient 46 seemed noticably "off" and jeremy definitely was by the end of the testing ordeal. but this leads to other questions like is this bc of glitchtrap or someone else idk but yeah. i think the picture is much bigger than what we just see in security breach, and that fazbear entertainment and other parties are defs involved in malicious activities. the team effort aspect is also what i like abt this vanessa theory, bc imo theres no way just one person could've made this all happen.

[@IDsFantasy]

I’m glad you think the theory is cool, even if you still disagree :D While spirits can manifest with human appearances, there are still the other reasons why I don’t think they’re the same, you know? The voice actor thing is a big one, as is the part of the game where Vanessa locks Gregory in lost and found and is speaking to him on the monitors when suddenly Vanny hijacks it and is in full costume, which Vanessa wouldn’t have had time to change into and we know the costume is a physical thing and not just the product of an illusion. Not to mention some lines from the original trailer where Afton is threatening to burnt two people if the one he’s speaking to fails, and since he can’t exactly burn Gregory if he escapes, it would make sense if he’s threatening Vanessa using her and Vanny’s lives. But that never made it into the game like a lot of things from that trailer unfortunately. Hopefully the DLC or future games do a bit better with utilizing Vanny and Vanessa since I agree they have a lot of potential.

[@IDsFantasy]

As for Patient 46, I actually have a theory video on that topic that I think gives a pretty close solution, especially with the fact that 46 seems to be a child, which is one of the big reasons I don’t think it’s Vanny or someone like Jeremy. But since Gregory doesn’t make sense as the candidate either, I came up with a different solution. I highly recommend you check it out :D There is definitely a much bigger picture than we see in the games. Fazbear Entertainment and Glitchtrap seem to have much bigger goals that William did initially. It’ll be very interesting to see where it goes. Thank you for commenting! I appreciate it :D

[@MBdynamoBostik]

So...there are TWO Patient 71s and TWO 46s. Damn it FNAF SB.

[@IDsFantasy]

Well, technically there's one of each having the sessions, there just is also someone else doing other things

[@MBdynamoBostik]

@@IDsFantasy Yep. I have the same thoughts.

[@MBdynamoBostik]

@@IDsFantasy 46: GGY doing the hacking while the Charlie bot is taking the sessions. 71: The real Vanessa (controlled by glitchtrap) is hunting Gregory and Elizabeth is taking sessions. I'm glad that I bumped into you. If it weren't for you I wouldn't have come up with this.

[@majapalm7583]

I think this is perfect, exept for one thing, who made Baby into Vanessa? (And also Baby was supposed to be set free in pizza sim but I guess scince springtrap survived then that’s no issue) Vanny? Burntrap? Is it just something baby can do? In the books baby WAS the robot version of Henrys daughter and could disguise herself as a more than passable human, but I dunno if scrap baby would still have that ability… and also, I thought elizabeths spirit just granted baby life, not that she possesed the robot so the connections to afton as her fatjer also seem a bit iffy to me. Anyways, love your videos, I’ve been getting more into smaller fnaftubers instead of just matpat and it’s nice to have some female representation😅

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! I'm glad you like my theory! So my thoughts on that would be Vanny or some other person at Fazbear Entertainment who might also be infected with the Glitchtrap virus (I go over it a bit in my Patient 46 video, but basically if Vanessa's transfer order came from the very top, I find it likely that some people at the company are also secretly aiding Glitchtrap) since Vanny or said other person could do so under Afton's guidance. (And yeah, my thought is the Scrap Baby animatronic got destroyed, but Elizabeth and some of her parts may have stuck around). And Elizabeth definitely did possess Baby, it's just that Baby's AI and memories overpowered her spirit, hence why Henry addresses her as Elizabeth and not Baby during his speech and why Scrap Baby says "I will make you proud, daddy!" (and book Circus Baby was definitely possessed by and had the memories of both Baby and Elizabeth) I'm glad you like my videos and are giving smaller fnaftubers like me a chance! And I'm definitely happy to provide some female rep lol. Based in my video analytics there are actually a lot more females interested in FNAF than you would expect from how male-dominated the KZbin space is XD I'm really glad you like my video! Thank you for watching and for leaving the comment :D

[@kinkajou6181]

Love the theory 😁

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! I'm glad you like it!

[@brahimilotfi9689]

I'm thinking that Glitchtrap may have take her control but from the outside of the real world but something tells me that from her inside her spirit could be strong to resist Glitchtrap's control or something like that , because She wasn't in full control at first until she start to recieve weird emails , but than her fear from Glitchtrap was show in the tape that she couldn't handle the pression anymore but now it's like she is fine with Glitchtrap like her mental is on his hand after few later tapes , it's like there is percent number how she'll turn into Vanny , something like that

[@IDsFantasy]

Possibly!

[@brahimilotfi9689]

@@IDsFantasy you know what does that scenario remind me , from Slender The Arrival when slender took Kate under his control and turn her into a proxy but her spirit is somewhere

[@IDsFantasy]

@@brahimilotfi9689 Interesting

[@STARS048]

lets not forget Scott dose had that habbit of "they worked it out? quick change it into something driffent"

[@IDsFantasy]

Things to keep in mind lol

[@bluegold1026]

Another excellent vid! I had to watch it twice in order to wrap my head around everything you theorized. So, basically, Vanny is the brainwashed human in the rabbit costume. "Vanessa" is an AI taking the real Vanessa (Vanny)'s place as a security guard. The AI is being fed the life story of Elizabeth by Afton in order to shake the therapists off his scent. Hope I'm understanding this correctly...

[@IDsFantasy]

Thanks! I'm glad you like it! Yeah, that's about right. I do think it's pretty likely that "Vanessa" is actually Elizabeth, maybe in a similar way to Glitchtrap being William, but at the very least I think she thinks she's Elizabeth and is acting in accordance with that. But yeah! It's a bit complicated, but I think it works decently well with pretty few holes (only so much we can do with what Security Breach gave us unfortunately. I'm hoping for playable Vanessa I'm DLC to get some insight, but we'll see) Thank you for commenting! I appreciate it :D

[@bluegold1026]

I'm gonna once again post your vid to the Official FNAF Facebook group. EDIT: If that is supposed to represent Vanessa's spirit still trapped inside the burning Megaplex, there should have been some sort of indication to imply that it indeed was. But I find it suspicious that Vanny, after being thrown off the roof, is NOT bleeding out on the ground.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yoooooo Thank you! Absolutely agreed that there should be some indication that she's a spirit if that's a case. As for Vanny not bleeding out on the ground, she would only have visible blood if a) the fall broke skin, b) that breakage was on the part of her body that Gregory could see and not from where she hit the ground, and c) was able to bleed through her costume fully by the time Gregory got down there, so I'm not particularly surprised by the lack of blood, you know? But that's fair

[@bluegold1026]

@@IDsFantasy fyi I found you on Twitter so I don’t know if we should continue any FNAF related conversations there or keep them here.

[@IDsFantasy]

I noticed you started following me lol. Either is fine! Maybe comments for video topic specific stuff and Twitter for random stuff? I don't mind either way tbh

[@Takejiro24]

If it isn't simply an oversight from the developers or just them reusing assets, then this may explain why Vanessa has the same "jump scare sound" the Glamrock animatronics have. Not only do we see a security bot that resembles Baby in the "sticky notes" room, there's also one behind a counter in one of the restaurants/diners in the Pizzaplex (I think it was Bonnie Bowl but correct me if I'm wrong). Safe to say, Baby/Elizabeth or parallels to her is supposed to be important to Security Breach's story. Personally, I don't mind the idea of the Afton family making a return if it means they get the chance to have meaningful character development. I feel they were fairly underutilized in the grand FNAF story despite how it all seems to start with them ("Crying Child" in particular. It seems that after FNAF 4, he just seemed to vanish from the face of the story/lore).

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep! I agree with pretty much all of that

[@Takejiro24]

@@IDsFantasy Is it okay if I ask another question: would you know what color Vanessa's eyes are when she's looking from the roof of the burning Pizzaplex? Looks like they changed color but it could just be lighting/shadowing.

[@antonemberbroque4452]

One thing I think is important is how one therapist talks to Vanny abt how she lied about her parents, there was a discrepancy between her testimony and the outside reaserch that therapist had done. Vanessa had a food relationship with her parents and her father was still alive, while Vanny talks about her father being dead and abusive.

[@IDsFantasy]

Actually the therapist never talks to Vanny, just Vanessa and Gregory as confirmed in Tales from the Pizzaplex

[@antonemberbroque4452]

@@IDsFantasy I think I got confused and switched the two, you're right

[@notevenhuman8141]

Glitchtrap and William Afton are separate entities since William is trapped in UCN for all eternity and Glitchtrap ends up as more of a copy of his consciousness, not the original thing. Burntrap is most likely Original William's body under the influence of Glitchtrap, essentially bypassing Cassidy in the UCN purgatory. This explains the change in eye colour (Springtrap = white, Burntrap = purple) and its consistency with Glitchtrap, even though he isnt a physical being, as well as why Cassidy isnt back to stalking Afton in the real world; because OG Afton isnt in the real world, he's still in Hell in UCN whereas a copy roams free in OG's old body.

[@IDsFantasy]

If William escaped in Frights I don't see why he couldn't in the games

[@TalSchiff05]

I like your theory a lot. It explains a lot of stuff about Vanessa and her relationship with Baby. But Baby was pretty Evil and murderous in every iteration of her after fnaf five. In six she was pretty much a fangirl of her father. It seems pretty weird that she'll be terrified of him now. I don't thing William would need to manipulate her in any way. Now that I think about it, maybe the rolls are reversed. Elisabeth is Vanny and Vanessa is doing their bidding . Although that wouldn't explain the princess quest ending very good. Idk this game is confusing

[@IDsFantasy]

That's the thing, Baby is the one who is murderous thanks to her programming. What Elizabeth contributed was wanting her father to be proud of her. Because she was in Circus Baby, who was programed to kill, that desire manifested violently, but that doesn't make Elizabeth's soul inherently violently. Elizabeth is just a super traumatized kid who's doing what she does because she has no other choice and wants her father's love. At least that's how I see it I'm glad you like the theory! Thank you for commenting :D

[@blankblanky6858]

Now, I Do Have To Disagree With Certain Aspects Of This Theory, And I’m Firm With My Beliefs, But Still, Have To Admire The Effort Put Into This Theory! Good Job!

[@IDsFantasy]

Understandable. I'm glad that you still like the video even though you disagree with some of it :D Thank you for commenting!

[@kanadisch]

What if it’s the complete opposite, because how would Venessa be able to show Human Emotions, and if you look at her cut audio logs, it is shown that she is actually trying to help good ol’ Gregory by saying “I can keep you safe”, etc… But with Vanny she only seems to have 2, being fear and deviancy? Maybe William built Vanny as a contingency plan when he died, and built Vanny to blend in as much as possible, and unlike Venessa, who shows frustration and anger, as Gregory continues to evade her attempts to help him, and more during the game (She even lets Gregory know that the door is open, and is impressed enough that he managed to evade her, and offers him a security job) Vanny doesn’t really show much emotion, and doesn’t really speak all that often, and her voice sound sounds like a child. I don’t know, just felt like I’d say something.

[@IDsFantasy]

That would be interesting

[@purpleguymaxence3722]

In relation to this, I bought and read "Five Night at Freddy's official character encyclopedia", and in it it is confirmed that Vanessa and Vanny are the same person, and the Vanessa from "Help Wanted" is the same Vanessa as in " Security Breach"

[@IDsFantasy]

It actually isn't confirmed in there. It says they "appear" to be the same, not that the definitively are. Additionally, the book says false things like Bon-Bon being in FNAF 3 and other things I go over here kzbin.info/www/bejne/h17bZWqYrtiJaKs

[@purpleguymaxence3722]

@@IDsFantasy Vanny and Vanessa literally have the same character sheet

[@bluebeans_]

Im in fnaf like for a month, previously, I didn't know why others complain about the complicated lore, but now well... im shocked. But I really appreciate all your video's, they give me different perspective on the seemingly uncomplicated fnaf storyline ( you know, purple men kills kids :D). I really like your Vanessa - Elizabeth theory, even if it doesnt have full sense for me ( also like everybody is robot theory haha, which is a little funny for me for some unknown reason). All i will do this summer will be just analyzing fnaf lore for myself ( I also need to know more about fnaf help wanted and fnaf ar cause it seems to be really connected to fnaf sb, which sequel will come out soom :D ).

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! And I'm glad you're enjoying the FNAF lore XD

[@Koreyoxd]

I totally agree something is going on between Vanessa/Liz/Vanny, but nobody knows if it’s a brainwash, robotic or something else entirely. Maybe the Ruin DLC will tell us more!

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep! It'll be exciting to see

[@Val_Simp09]

Adding onto Vanessa being Elizabeth, in the movie, Vanessa is replacing Elizabeth as William’s daughter. I thought that was interesting.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep!

[@michaellynes3540]

I believe Vanessa and Vanny are one and the same. When I saw Markiplier play “Security Breach”, I suspected Vanessa was Vanny.

[@IDsFantasy]

I don't think they are 🤷‍♀️

[@michaellynes3540]

@@IDsFantasyWell they don’t appear at the same time.

[@Mrt9707]

after the first minute where you refer to that they are 2, i was like she could be a robot, that why she could act idiotic since moon takes glamrock freddy to part and service and sees greg and not tell vanessa he might be behind that door and she goes to the elvator.

[@IDsFantasy]

Nice!

[@MakaylaSullivan-cj6qk]

Ok at first I thought that there was no way Elisabeth could be Vanny/Vanessa because Elisabeth's soul got put to rest at the end of Pizzeria Simulator BUT I then remembered one of Matpat theories from one of the books that William Afton contracted 5 different versions of Elisabeth to continue her life growing up ((because she was a robot and needed to age (appearance wise)) . But then it hit me. Maybe the adult version robot William created was Vanny/Vanessa and there was no twin. Elisabeth is either the beta tester in Help Wanted or the twin everyone seems to be calling her. BUT HEY, THATS JUST A THEORY, A GAME THEORY. thanks for reading

[@IDsFantasy]

That's more or less what I suggest in the video, just with Elizabeth's actual soul involved since there's a lot of evidence that Pizza Sim didn't work :D

[@Harmony_.musicnotesemoji.]

I got an ad at 7:56 it rlly felt like a cliffhanger 💀

[@IDsFantasy]

Nice XD

[@DiscoTimelordASD]

Given how much the game was chopped and changed it's very difficult to tell, but this sounds like a strong theory.

[@HidanKitten32]

.... :/ you have some very good points. I originally wrote something else before I finished the video but had to change it for when I finished. I... don't know if I believe Venessa is a robot possessed by Elizabeth but the more I listen the more compelling the theory is becoming. I still kind of thing Venessa and Vanny really will turn out to be one in the same but... I honestly wouldn't be surprised if something like this turns out to be true/cannon. To 'argue' the whole one ending, where Greogry wins all those Princes quest games, Vanny did have a remote that controlled all the robots into attacking Freddy. Maybe she still had that and used it to deactivate them since we don't see her in that ending until she's at the doors waiting for Gregory. I can't remember details but as for another, perhaps not all robots were infected with the Glitchtrap virus to begin with, only the 'important ones' while others were hacked and had their code messed with? Moon might be an example of this. And Bonnie, from what we know about them. Venessa testing her hacking skills on a few of the robots before moving onto the virus if that makes sense? Maybe I don't know what I am talking about ^^' But either way I think something we can all agree on is that not everything is as simple as we first think it is. And, as long as the books are cannon to the game, we may find out more in the three books (one coming out soon) for the Pizzaplex. Personally I kind of liked the idea that Elizabeth she died and went to whatever afterlife (she did seem to commit to being a murderer to make daddy proud) but if they brought back Michael (who I will forever believe is Freddy until proven otherwise) why not her? it would make the dynamic between her and Freddy really interesting. Also, and I am adding/editing this in..... SOMEBODY had to make that Afton family diner thing in the sticky post room. Someone who knew Elizabeth looked like Circus Baby and that her younger brother had an accident involving his head

[@IDsFantasy]

XD Thank you. I'm glad that I was able to make some good points in spite of your misgivings towards the theory lol. Part of the reason I'm pretty firm on Vanny and Vanessa being separate is because without that being true, the post-credit scene showing Vanessa on the roof serves pretty much no purpose and that would bother me lol. Plus this is a nice explanation for why they have different VAs and why Vanny can show up immediately after Vanessa but still have a physical costume. Plus Freddy pointing out that Vanny sounds like Vanessa and Bunny is a bit too on the nose for me lol. As for the Princess Quest ending, I was under the impression that the remote Vanny used was the same one that Gregory used in the ending where he tells the bots to disassemble Vanny, and as such it would be in the room, but I see your point. I will say, the Staffbots were definitely infected though, which would be why their eyes blink away from red from what I can tell. I personally find it unlikely that not all the animatronics were infected in some capacity. For Moon, he and Sun are the same animatronic, but because of the way their programming is split, I think that kept the virus out of the Sun part of him. Not opposed to it though. It would be interesting. But yeah, things aren't nearly clear enough to talk too definitively on anything lol. I'm looking forward to the rest of the books and seeing what they have to fill in about the place. Yeah, it would have been nice for Elizabeth and the other spirits to rest (Tbh I feel like the murder part of Baby was from the animatronic's murder programming rather than Elizabeth herself. But agreed on both parts of the Michael thing XD I want awkward family reunions and for Elizabeth/Vanessa to realize that not only did she kill her brother once, but threatened to do so again when she said she'd have Freddy scrapped :) And yeah, the sticky note room had to come from somewhere. I actually am working on a video talking about who I think set up the post-it room, and I think it'll be pretty interesting. It's not an idea I've really seen anywhere, so hopefully it'll get people thinking. Thank you for commenting :D

[@HidanKitten32]

@@IDsFantasy no problem :) I really like your videos and suggested you to my friend. We share same idea the theories but like coming across ideas like this even if we don’t really agree. Such as our theory (or more so an idea she likes, lol) that Funtime Freddy is still ‘alive’ within the blob and can be scrapped into a new robot. I told her about the Venessa ones and suggested she watch. You do have good points in that it would explain the different voice actors and be less obvious then Freddy outright saying it. Or the whole rooftop thing. As for Princess Quest. I suppose that’s right but I don’t see how freeing Vanny would also free all the robots. Vanny is human and has no hive mind link to the robots so it should have just freed her, right? But the rooftop ending itself, it could be more than just her soul stuck in the building. And having a robot Venessa would be an interesting twist. Perhaps the entire Afton family is cursed in a way to live forever in one way or another. I haven’t read any of the books might might just ask for the first two, all three if it’s released before hand, for Christmas. I know the Fazbear Frights isn’t really cannon to the rest of the game universe but I wonder about Security Breach. My friend had mentioned she thinks a staff bot may have been responsible for the sticky note room but I can’t remember everything she said. Honestly when I have to compare the Venessa is a robot or Gregory is a robot thing I think Venessa is far more likely. Also sorry for any weird spellings or word placement. I am typing this on mobile Oh I am editing this in because I forgot I wanted to respond to it. It's just a personal theory I, along with my friend, have that Moon wasn't infected by the Glitchtrap virus and more so just got hacked by Venessa. And considering the staff bots, for example, actually don't do anything but alert the Glamrocks where Greogry is, it's possible their code could just be bugged. That said there are some clearly more... 'aware?' than that. Given some cause a game over in the underground. But while we don't know a whole lot about Bonnie for example, it seems he was more so bugged and hacked before he went missing. And the other thing I forgot to respond to (Mobile doesn't let me go read as I write -_-. Not without insisting I want to delete everything) It's possible that Elizabeth's desire to kill her brother to please her brother could have been from Baby's programming. But she "was" William's favorite and a bit of a brat from what we heard. I wouldn't put it past her if she turned out like her father in a sense. That still said, your argument for why Venessa might be Elizabeth, especially with the therapy tapes, in point "I was supposed to be a good girl" keep coming back to me quite a bit

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! I really appreciate that! For Princess Quest, I don't think beating the game just freed Vanny. The way I interpret it is that Glitchtrap's influence is cut off, which would explain why all the robots collapsed as soon as Gregory beat the game. But yeah, the rooftop ending seems too significant to just be "oh yeah, her soul is still there", especially with her being where the fire escape lets out. And yeah, the entire Afton family just refuses to stay dead at this point so XD Fair. I usually just check out the ebooks from the library lol. Most of the books aren't canon to the games, though Scott said to use them to fill in the gaps in the timeline, but Tales from the Pizzaplex specifically seems like it probably is canon, at least for the epilogues anyway with them being set in the Pizzeria Simulator Location during the Pizzaplex's construction No worries lol That's an interesting theory, but with the Patient 46 tapes saying that a virus infected the systems and caused the animatronics to act more eerie than entertaining, I'd be surprised if any of the animatronics got away unscathed/uninfected, at least to some degree. After all, when Freddy is in safe mode he doesn't attack, but he's still infected by the virus. I find it more likely that any hacking would be done through Glitchtrap, but that's a fair theory (Yeah, typing on mobile sucks lol) I think while in Circus Baby, Elizabeth's motives were a combination of Circus Baby being programmed to kill and Elizabeth's desire for her father's love, which then manifested as killing Michael to make her dad proud of her. She was likely a bit of a brat, but most young kids tend to be, so I don't think she would go so far as murder without Baby's programming involved. But yeah, the "I was supposed to be a good girl" hit me pretty hard as well when I was listening to the tapes. Vanessa's clearly internalized that and it matches well with Elizabeth's backstory

[@Flight_of_Icarus]

Thing is, there's not much characterization of Elizabeth that requires her to be manipulated by her dad. She's the one talking about how she will "make her daddy proud" in FNAF 6. Elizabeth is way more of a manipulative character herself and is highly unlikely to be scared of her father at all. She admires him. I mean if there's reason to have Elizabeth involved, why not just have her be Vanny, and manipulate Vanessa into keeping quiet? Seems far simpler and easier to do.

[@IDsFantasy]

It's not that Elizabeth's characterization is that she's always being manipulated, it's that she wants her dad to be proud of her. In The Fourth Closet, she does what he asks specifically for that purpose. Not to mention Circus Baby is a murder robot, and Vanny would probably be the human player in FNAF VR

[@Flight_of_Icarus]

​@@IDsFantasy 6:51 The reason you're building up Elizabeth as being the one to possess robotic Vanessa is because it doesn't seem like Vanessa is happy about aiding Vanny or Glitchtrap, but that doesn't make sense with how Elizabeth has been characterized as actively wanting to aid her father and admiring him. Vanessa is being confronted by her therapist for being manipulated and coerced by someone communicating with her, something that would be unnecessary with Elizabeth, who doesn't need that for motivation. So why raise the suspicion by pretending to be scared or nervous of him? Elizabeth actively wants to help Afton, but Vanessa is scared of him, and unhappy about helping him. You're trying to explain that Vanessa is unhappy about helping Afton because she's possessed by Elizabeth, who actively looks up to and wants to help Afton.

[@rabbsmiyuzu1809]

Hellooo id your theories are pretty neat, I'm curious to see an updated version based on newer events, do you think you'd do that?

[@IDsFantasy]

Thank you! For this theory specifically, I think it holds up pretty much the same currently. I am planning on doing another on Patient 46 and what new info means for the story there :D

[@rabbsmiyuzu1809]

That's sounds pretty cool! Glad to hear about it, I enjoy how well put together your videos are. I'm glad to see your videos!

[@KyleGK01]

Ah yes, my local decaying serial killer.

[@IDsFantasy]

Yep lol

[@matildegodinho6528]

I like that theory that Vanny is not the Vanessa nightguard, But yes the Vanessa of fnaf vr help wanted and fnaf ar emails. Maybe she is a girl called Vanessa too, and she tried to make something to look like Vanessa to make the others on the Pizza Plex think she was Vanny. I think she asked Vanessa(the nightguard) to make her the costume, since in the retro CDS the therapist says Vanessa was building a costume and pacient 46(Vanny) likes to be disguised, so, Vanessa was making the costume not for herself, but yes to other person, that person is Vanny. And maybe Vanny told her to not tell anything about the costume, and I think Vanny was the one who was interacting with Vanessa and manipulating her. I know this is weird but this is what I believe, correct me If I am wrong 😃👍🏻

[@IDsFantasy]

I agree mostly :D

[@IDsFantasy]

I will say it's been confirmed that Gregory is Patient 46, but other than that it sounds about right

[@matildegodinho6528]

@@IDsFantasy Yeah, I think it makes sense too :D

[@valor1omega]

You convinced me. That is something that isn't easy to do. Others have brought up good points in the comments section that further reenforced your points. Some think you should be on game theory but I think you shouldn't let MattPat ride your coat tail. Besides he is too off the wall and can't keep his attention focused and keeps ruining the conversation over something stupid.

[@IDsFantasy]

I'm glad you think the theory is good! Thank you!

[@deli_joy]

let's hope to god they give her more than three fucking seconds of spotlight in the dlc THAT ISNT INCLUDING ENDING 'CUTSCENES.' at this point, I'm just wondering why the fuck they even tried to give her some mysterious story if they just didn't utilize her at all. if they do use her in the dlc then I'll gladly eat crow. just irritated they built up such an interesting character and just tossed her to the side as some extra scraps for fnaf theorists to pick at. at this point, I just genuinely could not give less of a damn about her character. but, you made an actual interesting theory that pulled me in. kudos! sorry for the rant, I just despise how little she was utilized

[@IDsFantasy]

Definitely agreed. It’s so frustrating to see how much she was hyped up in the trailers only to wander around and do basically nothing with her character. I’m really hoping the DLC gives her the the attention she deserves since there’s very likely going to be the opportunity to do so. I’m glad you like the theory though! This theory is partially my way of dealing with how little story we got in the main game lol. I’m happy you found it interesting :D

[@deli_joy]

it certainly made her a HELL of alot more interesting than the game ever could! I wish they'd taken a bit of a vhs fnaf series path and let vanny become manipulated by tapes left by will to carry out his misdeeds but, beggars can't be choosers I suppose lmao

[@IDsFantasy]

That would have been cool, but I guess we’ll have to see what/if they decide to do for her character in Ruin. Hopefully we’ll get some news for that soon

[@wandawidow2757]

If your shoot Vanessa with the flazblast she makes robot noises

[@IDsFantasy]

She does? Huh. That is very interesting!

[@wandawidow2757]

@@IDsFantasy kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5Cvh6N9prKgedU if u watch this and go to 16:35

[@somenerdygirl4696]

Theres just a lot of possessions and robots running around makes my brain dizzy

[@IDsFantasy]

Yeah lol

[@sirfazbear4993]

I like this theory, it's pretty plausible in my opinion and I find it funny how I use similar information to say Vanessa is a *representation* of Elizabeth, yet people bash me like I'm literally saying it's her, but this theory says other wise 😼😎

[@IDsFantasy]

Thanks! I'm glad you think so. It seems as though there are very strong connections between Vanessa and Elizabeth and it would be wrong to overlook them. Thank you for commenting :D

[@sirfazbear4993]

@@IDsFantasy No problem for commenting 😁❤️

[@EggsBenedict-te4nj]

Vanny's mask is referred to as a security mask so that pretty much seals the deal.

[@IDsFantasy]

I find the Vanny mask situation so interesting

[@EggsBenedict-te4nj]

@@IDsFantasy Honestly yeah. It explains so much about her. Like how she is able to just pop up anywhere.

[@ray2dasherthedragon336]

I like to think they are sisters and for some reason vannessa is helping her sister

[@IDsFantasy]

That's fair enough, but I haven't seen any evidence for them being sisters outside of looking alike, and that can be explained in other ways. You're free to have your own interpretation though!