Follow Up Female Antisocial Personality Disorder Psychiatric Interview No. 9 Treatment Evaluation

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Interview with the same young woman seen in Interview No. 1 after she has had several years of extended psychotherapy.
Young woman displays antisocial and impulsive behavior. History includes promiscuity, illegitimate pregnancies, lesbianism, multiple marriage, drug addiction, theft, and bad-check passing. In addition during withdrawal from drugs, she has had epidoses of psychosis. Also see Interview No. 1 link: • Female Antisocial Pers...

[@Van-tastic]

Take note viewers: All those years of therapy and what fixed her was love, grace, forgiveness, and compassion.

[@granny58]

And her willingness to change.

[@abbiesonntag3855]

Van B EXACTLY. 💯🎯

[@9000ck]

and doctor thiele who she could trust

[@valerielindley3736]

I’m not certain therapy fixed her as much as getting away from her abusers

[@ArkansasSquaw]

Exactly. Love saved her.

[@nocomment2468]

Her husband sounds like an incredible person. The unconditional love and care surpasses what she had known.

[@tripeeblonde8309]

Sometimes thats all we need - is to be loved, and wanted, and be precious to someone

[@leannepaxton5012]

⁠@@tripeeblonde8309, I think deep down, most of the time, that is what we all need. If only we could all be so lucky to be loved in the way that Mrs. G’s husband loves her and doesn’t appear to judge her. How lucky that the guy she married on a whim, turned out to be the way he is. After watching her first interview, I liked this lady a great deal, but I felt so sad for her and how it seemed that she was so mistreated by her mother. Now, after watching this one, it is beautiful to see just how much she blossomed after being married to a wonderful man for a couple of years, who seems to love her unconditionally. I really hope that she had, and maybe still has a very happy marriage and a long happy life. She certainly deserved it after having such a tumultuous childhood.

[@kimberlypatton205]

It is so good to see the change in her!She seems genuinely at a place that makes her happy internally for once in her life … I sincerely hope she found this place for herself that she found her peace within herself… and finally shed the crap in her life and love herself! I hope that earnestly she found a place of joy!

[@RussiaIsARiddle778]

@@kimberlypatton205 and can you imagine doing that in the period of history she is living through. So much judgment and misunderstanding. People especially knew little about mental health, and this topic was taboo. I’m thrilled to see how happy she is.

[@DVD927]

Living in a calm, natural setting of 180 acres probably helped her mental health quite a bit.

[@tylerbrown4171]

I loved listening to this beautiful woman speak - she had such a simple and engaging way of speaking - very articulate and wise beyond her years - and for the times she lived. I hope she went on to be that "old lady" and had a wonderful life.

[@LisaRichards_123]

She was a sociopath. Not the sweet adorable woman you are imagining. Smiling about cops dying and her shooting people. She literally has no conscience, which is why she was given the diagnosis. She says she married all these guys for money.

[@davidholder6745]

This girl is dangerous. I love her,…

[@RussiaIsARiddle778]

You could see the happiness in her face. She was so much healthier. She won the lottery with her husband. What a blessing to this woman. When I read the comments on her original video, I was shocked at how many people said unflattering things about her that weren’t possibly true but, they felt comfortable just throwing diagnoses at her. The whole family has to be treated when a child is accused of antisocial personality disorder. My heart went out to her then and it goes out to her now. I hope she’s happy and living her best life, and that she has close loving relationships with her boys and her husband. Thank you for posting this follow up.

[@leighsaldivar4439]

I agree

[@emilyzena7070]

What a lovely comment. And I agree with what you said.

[@S.M.E.A.C]

Armchair Psychiatrists and Armchair Generals are everywhere.

[@caterinascarcella]

She’d be in her mid 80’s now if still alive.

[@ccjohncc1]

​@@caterinascarcella My guess is she passed sometime before the initial video was released to the public out of privacy concerns and policies.

[@lauraorem1276]

The interviewer is Dr. Robert Stoller. The woman is Mrs. G., and she is the subject of his book, "Splitting: A Case of Female Masculinity." It's a fascinating read. Mrs. G. is a very compelling person. Also it shows how as a psychotherapist Stoller was ahead of his time in important ways but very much of his time in others. Stoller died in a car accident in the 1990s. I haven't been able to find out anything about Mrs. G's life after the book. If she's still alive, she'd be around 85.

[@wiredog771]

Any update? Thanks for this info.

[@MelanCholy2001]

I just watched these, and I bet she's still alive! I like her (and she's ASPD?! A psychopath?) I mean, in interview #1 she was 19 and having hallucinations (from some drug type I'm not familiar with, I think, or maybe from the shock therapies), and had been married at 16 and another time earlier. She had it ROUGH! I imagine her mother did, as well, but I agree with her here when she says her mom did the best she could and her brothers and sisters aren't mentally ill. (Noted that she wouldn't necessarily know that, of course.) Growing up in the 1950s with a divorced mom and an Army dad from whom she was estranged, in and out of hospitals, a literal criminal but even in that first interview, I don't think she was "attention-seeking". Honestly, I would have guessed "depressed" but trying to pull herself up. I wonder if it really was a thing that women married Army men so they could get financial rewards? That's news to me (except foreign women in wars marrying a US military man to become a citizen I guess). I might check out that book! She's not "trans", so is splitting just like, a "tomboy"? I look rather feminine (except no curves; just a stick!) but was a sorta tomboy. I think what impresses me the most with Mrs. G is that for a so-called "psychopath", she doesn't seem to harbor ill will, and she definitely notes when people she's met aren't kind to other people (so there's empathy there). And I've NEVER heard of a psychopath seeking treatment unless it's to please the courts. Baffling! Go Mrs. G! (And I think she fell in love with then-current husband; she was blushing talking about him.)

[@MelanCholy2001]

@Donatella Loncar Oh, you're right. She did have that bit of "giggling" about her prior life, and said it was still tempting to leave. (Her family, especially the husband who completely supported her. I didn't understand that at all.) I guess that's why they make the video about the ASPD (sociopath/psychopath) and write a book about her. I tend to hope for the best, but you're right: ALL those crimes (the shooting people? Stealing and wrecking cars?) Thank you. I've met a few socios who "don't do that anymore", and yet they still seem to drive people crazy. OH! That's the "charm" part of psychopathy!!! Dang, she got me: they've got no real feelings, or shame, and can crime it up without blinking, but they have something that appeals to people, too. (Chris Watts! Candus Bly! I guess that Manson fellow.) Great comment. Thank you.

[@bethknight4436]

Thanks!

[@lindaclairesartori]

"Female Masculinity"?? No wonder all these young people are gender-bending now, 2022. Let's get rid of the borders of gender. Strong women and pansy men. Let people be themselves. Masuline! puh! A woman can do all this and she is a woman, not a "masculine" woman.

[@bonniebethel1234]

She is so different from the first interview. The love and compassion from her husband is the big difference. Someone that cares for her. She even says that. It shows.

[@firstinlastout]

😊Right? I'm filled with joy for her. I wonder if she is still alive and has seen this or her children. HALLELUYAH! Jesus Christ answers prayers. Sometimes not right away, but HE is always is faithful to those who call on him. 💯% "God showed His love for us by sending Jesus to die for us." - (Romans 5:8) "The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork" . (Psalms 19:1) "Worthy are you, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they existed and were created" . (Revelation 4:11) "And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength." (Mark 12:30) "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me" .( Psalm 51:5) "your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden his face from you so that he does not hear." (Isaiah 59:2)) " None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one". ( Romans 3:10-12) "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" .( Romans 3:23) "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" .( Romans 6:23) "And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment" (Hebrews 9:27) "Whoever believes in the Son, has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him" .( John 3:36) "In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins." ( 1 John 4:10 ) "but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. " (Romans 5:8) "But he was wounded for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his stripes we are healed" . (Isaiah 53:5) "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:3) "But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God." ( John 1:12) "if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." (Romans 10:9) "Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." (Matthew 11:28) "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. " (John 14:6) "And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." (Acts 4:12) "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. "(1 John 1:9) "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly. "(John 10:10) "Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life." (1 John 5:12-13) "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. " (2 Corinthians 5:17) ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ Hurry up! Run to the ONLY one who can save you from what is coming upon the world, the one who created the world... JESUS the Christ. DO NOT BE LEFT BEHIND UNLESS YOU LIKE ZOMBIE MOVIES. I am NOT joking. 🔥🔥

[@Magical_Thinking]

I was verbally and physically abused by my mother during my entire childhood. There wasn’t a day that went by that she didn’t tell me that I’m a snot nosed bitch & that I was no better than the dirt that I walk on. In addition, I wasn’t allowed to speak unless spoken to and repeatedly told that my opinion didn’t matter because I was a worthless piece of 💩. I left home at age 14 to study dance because I wanted to get away from my abusive and neglectful parents, so I left a tiny town in Alaska for San Diego. It took a decade before I felt any self worth & at 55 I still struggle with feeling worthy & have major depression, anxiety/panic attacks, PTSD and night terrors as a result of years of sexual abuse by my father. Instead of the memories and effects of abuse getting better with age they’ve actually gotten worse. Parents have the ability to irreparably destroy their children’s lives.

[@bonniebethel1234]

@@Magical_Thinking sorry for having crappy parents. I pray that you will be able to put it in the past and be the person you are suppose to be. Prayers that you will find that peace.🙏💜

[@jessicagreen1876]

Therapy is what cured her with loving support from her husband. A loving spouse alone cannot cure mental illness.

[@lightbeecun]

I think she’s a free spirit trapped by programming bing told there’s something Wong with her I hunk she’s highly intelligent and high vibe which made her not fit in with the low vibe people who kept putting her down And really quite funny with her vulnerability and honesty The best ; so did anything else happen?……… oh well ya I shot someone Koodos to you girl way to go Keep doing you your a beautiful soul

[@christineveazey4345]

She is a very articulate, smart as a tack, soft-spoken, complicated, self-correcting but self-assured, ahead of most people, likable woman. She doesn't strike me as antisocial. What especially struck me was that she knew exactly what therapy she needed, and completely understood intuitively and emotionally what a therapist/patient relationship should be...trusting, free-flowing, two souls who love each other and talk to each other to exchange meaning. So amazing for such a young person!

[@greglinski2208]

lol! She is a sociopath. Smart is right. She knows exactly how to manipulate people to see her as a lovely pleasant girl. In fact, she is dangerous and self-serving. Congratulations. You’ve been manipulated by her too.

[@ellex03]

did either interview approach childhood abuse? She strikes me as a victim of a very dysfunctional past

[@justsomebloke6784]

So much of what she said chimed with me. Diagnosed with unspecified personality disorder, I felt a sort of kinship with her, the general feeling of not belonging and fear of slipping up in polite company because your life has been so eventful that your perceptions of what is ok to say, is that of a minefield and being silent is often the only way to survive for a while, except the pressure builds and behavioirs viewed as "Risky", in medical parlance, are what you are used to. I got used to these behaviours to fill a void of sensation within me. I had shut it off at a very young age in terms of human interaction because of having none that was positive, no safe place. Existed in a permanent sense of fear. Turned into a complete wanker because of being so defensive in large gatherings of people, that solitude became comfort, and any interactions should remain short or better still not at all. Only I did not realise that for a very long time, and tried to squash myself into a life that I was no longer capable of sustaining. Left behind a swathe of destruction before accepting what had been staring me in the face for years and deciding that conscious celibacy was for me and that I was not the party animal I had considered myself to be. Move on 15-20 years and I've achieved a state of lasting contentment and peace of mind. That is if I obey an ethical framework of reference that I've adopted. Everything is run by that filter first. Over time, considered acts become actually habitual, re-mixing a damaged personality into the possible that existed prior to the damage. This has been made possible by some fairly unique circumstances and is even now, fragile, but I can make mistakes without hating myself and becoming self destructive as long as I have sufficient alone time to decompress. That is part of the horror of a personality disorder: it cannot be cured. Your personality is fixed. If you are lucky like me, or Mrs. G. as she presents here, it's possible to scrape a small life together, walking a tightrope.

[@lucasrinaldi9909]

She definitely has certain antisocial traits. The way she laughs, measures the interviewer and her posture are very characteristic of people with this "disorder".

[@deathchips926]

The term "anti-social" is often used as misnomer to describe someone who doesn't like to interact with people. Anyone with ASPD interacts with people just fine, they just see every opportunity to try and take advantage of others without any conscience whatsoever. They are predatory, manipulative, deceitful, and scheming. They can be extremely dangerous in certain cases but are rarely violent.

[@lancelotdufrane]

She’s not only healthy, she’s a well rounded, thoughtful woman. Interesting. Intelligent. I hope she enjoyed her life.

[@dalepxp8963]

She was taken care of her whole life. She never had to hold down a job. Had open hospitals to see her, even stay there, for free.

[@Kane-ez]

​@@dalepxp8963sorry too be you

[@supramby]

She is the definition of chaos. If her life seems normal to you. That says more about you than her.

[@lancelotdufrane]

I see more unhinged people running into others folks cars. Etc, than this woman will ever consider. Certainly my perceptions speak to who I am. Too bad this logic is only important in a chat of a woman decades old. Let’s talk about current mental capacities. Those in public positions.much less coherent than this woman.

[@S1mL1fe]

She’s still alive and doing very well for herself

[@hailey7220]

Her honesty and frankness is so beautiful to watch considering the times in which she lived. I just see a lovely, complicated, hurt person trying her best in a world of people who fail to really see her. Such cool footage.

[@kreyvegas1]

It was a time of terrible hypocrisy.

[@ludmilakotovski1837]

@@kreyvegas1 : From which planet did you come? There is more hypocrisy now compared to 60 years’ ago! You see and hear it everywhere. That’s our modern age…

[@jimwolfgang9433]

Jesus, this kind of comment is so goddamn shallow. There's nothing cool about the footage yo, it's educational, shocking, sad, funny in parts, but it is not 'cool'

[@kariann3198]

This is how psychopaths trick people

[@steveculbert4039]

She is insane.

[@ModestMang]

He likes me when I’m goofy he likes me when I’m not, this got me in the feels.❤

[@johnnycarson67]

She needed love that she couldn't get from her mother and got it!!!

[@orwellknew9112]

Seems to me that this woman is a very beautiful, intelligent and sensitive soul. I find myself admiring her very much. Yes, she is different than your average woman, but that just makes her all the more endearing. Looks like she found herself a real gem of a husband. That male energy she needed as a child and a man that understands her and loves her unconditionally.

[@janicewilson6146]

I am proud of this lady for stepping up and taking her responsibilities seriously and for continuing therapy. She's sweet.

[@lightbeecun]

Beautiful soul you nailed it

[@freefall9832]

I feel sorry for the man. He didn't get the winning ticket.

[@ireallydontlikeemail]

​@@freefall9832yes he did

[@tomservo5007]

keep in mind , these are medical actors

[@Dsm437]

I am in awe of this beautiful, dynamic woman and all she has endured. I admire her tenacity and her ability to survive an often cruel world. I am grateful she is alive, not in prison, did not succeed with suicide attempt, is not in a mental institution, is at home with her unconditionally loving husband and children. She is a sensitive, sincere, humble, brave and honest woman. My heart goes out to her and I applaud her

[@tomservo5007]

it's a medical actor

[@anatoliypankevych4853]

Oh, she should … I have a pity for that last guy. I’m almost 99% sure she messed the guy’s life up.

[@missamae34]

I imagine her life would have been tons happier as a trans in a gay relationship....if that were acceptable

[@revrotunda3206]

@@missamae34 Things have been acceptable enough since then where she was still in her 50-60’s when people were coming out so as fragmented as she was as shown in 2 interviews (the so/called experts don’t have all the answers-she’s a combo of more than one fragment/disorder as it were) she has/had the capability of reinventing herself as she has always done. Just as she said, her young Sons didn’t know if she was a boy or a girl so she began to wear dresses even though she’s not comfortable in them also stating her Husband doesn’t like her in Levi’s. But it’s not known if she is still alive & it doesn’t appear there were any more interviews after this one & the interview before this one 2 years prior. It would be very curious to know about the rest of her life & if she’s still living & how long she lived.

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

Apparently the book the doctor wrote about her describes how she was really a lesbian and eventually accepted it and lived the latter half of her life as an openly gay woman and had at least one long term relationship with another woman.

[@brooklyn6653]

Speaking as a former scapegoat child in a family where other children were shown love, empathy and approval, she seems kindred. Family dynamics are real, and someone gets chosen to receive all the blame and abuse in many families. It manifests as feeling crazy from gaslighting and self hatred from the evidence of singular unlovability as siblings are loved and approved of regardless of actions just as you are despised and disapproved of nomatter how hard you try to earn love.

[@Faith_Chi]

I agree, sadly. xo

[@txspacemom765]

[@princesinha1680]

This was my first thought when I watched this young woman's first interview. I wondered immediately about her relationship with her mother and if her mother had scapegoated her. At 45, I finally awoke to the fact that I'm the scapegoat in my family, and although I don't have the same issues this woman does, I've struggled my whole life with mental illness and never feeling loveable or that I 'fit in' with the rest of my family. Family dynamics play a huge role in one's mental health, and my heart goes out to every other scapegoat out there. I hope this woman had a happy ending.

[@txspacemom765]

@@princesinha1680 I learned, after 48 years, that is was not me, it was the undue stress and situations I was put in that caused my mental breakdown. I had full blown depression at 13 but my mom just called me a spoiled brat. So spoiled, I didn't even have decent clothes or shoes and my teeth were rotting out of my head. Living in pain and dealing with bullying as school, to come home to an unstable environment does not help. As soon as I turned 18, I left and guess what? My overall health was so much better. It took time, patience, therapy and a whole lot of self worth and love to get there and I work at it everyday. I was the scapegoat for all their issues, even though I was not around. It's easy to blame someone else when they are not there to speak for themselves. Much

[@marilomeli3156]

@Brooklyn6653 I was 40 when I finally decided to give myself the opportunity to be happy, I chose to give up trying to get acceptance from my mother. I came to the conclusion that if she hadn't shown love up to then, then 😢 she never would. I now feel free to focus on me and things I like not what she'd expect me to do or be.

[@missjennystevens]

It's so refreshing to listen to a polite and articulate conversation between two people. I could honestly listen to them all day. The cordiality, the thorough explanation, the time spent, the full attention on the discourse. It's sad that it's no longer like this. In our eagerness to connect, we've become more disconnected than ever.

[@delia_watercolors]

Just listen to a podcast. There are many that are just people talking like this, calmly, clearly and relatively intelligently. Some are audio and video or just audio and run typically 1-4 hours.

[@wcstrawberryfields8011]

And no foul-mouthed expletives. Imagine that...

[@indigoblue4791]

So true Jenny!

[@indigoblue4791]

@@delia_watercolors I know your not talking to me but if you were, I'd be interested in any podcast recommendations you might have! 😊

[@missjennystevens]

@@delia_watercolors What I was really talking about is the era-specific way they interact. The pace of the call and response, the consideration of the question or answer. These days discourse is so often frenetic, overlapping and drowned in memetic thoughts and ideas. It was a breath of fresh air to observe a conversation devoid of that.

[@ShyDog827]

I’ve heard that it only takes one person to make a difference in the life of a troubled individual . Her new husband seems to have made a big difference in her life. And I’m sure her therapy helped her a lot too. It’s very comforting to see her doing so well.

[@jaimelaughter1345]

The way she shyly smiles and tilts her head just so when discussing her husband. “I dunno . . . I like him.” It seems she’s in love with him or at least in love with feeling loved, accepted, and secure. He has proven there is nothing she could do that would drive him away. That sort of love draws a person in. I’m so happy for her. Then you see her look down and pick at her nails when the interviewer brings up her mother. She finds her feelings about her mother to be “very confusing.” And she prefers not to discuss her mother. What a straightforward, honest way to set a boundary. I so relate to her relationship with her mother and applaud her for being honest even as she is just discovering how she feels.

[@lightbeecun]

Bang on She’s cute not knowing what love is yet feeling it

[@communicationbreakdown256]

She needed to go no contact with her mom

[@SaralinaLove]

Beautifully said ❤❤❤❤❤

[@disf5178]

She loves him.

[@hez859]

I mean I hate she couldn't wear Levi's anymore because he doesn't like it but other than that he's great

[@MrsJackie1956]

Mrs G. Is actually a very interesting person to listen to. She sounds intelligent and articulates very well. I hope she lived a happy life after all she went through.

[@darleneengebretsen1468]

She's come a long way. Having someone who really cares about her has helped, I'm sure.

[@Anthony-nv7gd]

Some of the comments you people make are pretty funny. You say it as if this wasn’t 50 years ago

[@braveheart977]

She has come along way.

[@ohmygoodness7651]

@@Anthony-nv7gd Yes, I'm finding these videos really interesting because they are so real. I dont think you'd see anything like these these days. I wonder too what happened to her.

[@M_Samp]

I agree. And Being away from her mother has helped a lot also.

[@renate6781]

@@ohmygoodness7651 I know if she is still alive, she would be 89 years old. I hope she was/is able to finally admit to herself that her mother was a fiend and had everything to do with messing her up mentally. I hope,if she was able to come to that realization, that it helped her get healthier in some way.

[@grlsjstwannayahoo.]

I love her brutal honesty, it’s endearing.

[@What_I_Think_Happened]

Sure, it's lovely the way she abandoned her children to go live on the beach and do narcotics and steal cars and shoot people. How darling.

[@monique2324]

Her feelings about her mother being confusing is so relatable. It’s as if it goes against our core being to say anything negative about our mothers. Because they’re supposed to be loving and really they’re secretly abusive and we fear the response/reaction of the listener if we tell the truth. Wonderful interview

[@InMyTreeHouseKitchen]

lol well Monique... not ALL mothers are secretly abusive! ;o lol.

[@monique2324]

@@InMyTreeHouseKitchen I don’t remember saying ALL…. But I did say “our mothers” in reference to who it applies to. If it’s not your case, ok.

[@rebeccabrown251]

My mother loved me when she was drunk but hated me when she was sober. At 41 she told me that she never wanted me, talking about hurting.

[@robynobrien744]

What a bright and brilliant woman. Her life and her stories are worth witnessing. I hope she found all of the love, acceptance, patience, pride and care that she deserved.

[@lorimav]

Please do not become a probation officer. Certainly do not sit on the parole board. Also be careful of the sociopaths. You are just the kind of person my sociopathic ex-SIL liked to target.

[@paxsmile]

You mean what a wreck of a woman? Selfish, unstable, irresponsible, angry and cold?

[@paxsmile]

@@lorimav exactly!

[@teresaamanfu7408]

I wonder when these conversations happened, and how she is today.

[@violetvandusen7173]

@@teresaamanfu7408 I believe it was the late 50s. I'm so glad times have changed so much since then. I hope she got out of Michigan LOL. I grew up there in the 80s-90s and by then the narrow minded attitudes were still so prevalent and damaging. I wonder what it's like now...but if it's anything like my brother's family it hasn't changed a bit. Pity; pretty area.

[@AnneAndersonFoxiepaws]

I just love her. She was appealing as a youngster and still is. Shes so intelligent and funny. Shes just a little bit younger than my mum as I was born in 58. I understand her about the narrow minds speaking behind your back and I am so glad she found a good man. I hope everything went fine from this interview on because she deserves a happy life. A lovely, lovely girl and I hope she got her bit of happiness xx

[@kentneumann5209]

100% agree.

[@danpatch4751]

Me too

[@mistytyndall3228]

Me too

[@Terrbel21]

I like her

[@maryphipps-seward5995]

Yes!

[@OngoGablogian185]

I love how she did the classic "so anyways, I just started blasting" thing with the gun and then talks about it so nonchalantly. She's a keeper.

[@lundsweden]

Aha, people just focus on the mask, but miss the occainsional disturbing glimpses into her psyche.

[@shellbell2730]

At 20 min mark she talks about finding the RIGHT therapist and having a connection! Amen Sister, amen.

[@judedeprey6831]

I would love to know this person. She’s really interesting! I’m sitting here smiling and half the things she is saying. I’m so happy that she has a wonderful husband now. If anybody reads this, make sure you go back and listen to her first interview. God bless anyone who reads this.

[@Dhruv_Dogra]

Thank you. God bless you too Jude 🙏🕉

[@lilithwilcox9074]

I was so happy they did this follow up. I wasnt sure how Id like the first interview but it was good.

[@rosaleeharris1192]

Thank you

[@BrillGirl82]

I feel the same and God bless you too 🤍

[@wendybacin3488]

No truer statement than this..."I don't think you can just go into therapy with just any doctor." So true!

[@mrse7918]

It's so hard to find a good psychiatrist or psychologist

[@danielletorelli1405]

This truly warmed my heart. So glad to see her smiling. She seems ahead of her time ...and so articulate and wise

[@kanamichelle7404]

She kept reminding me of someone, especially in this interview, and it finally came to me. Mary Stewart Masterson in the movie, Fried Green Tomatoes. It’s her mannerisms and facial expressions. I hope life worked out for her, and she was able to raise the kind of boys that she wanted. I was a tomboy and always wanted to do what my four brothers (no sisters) were doing. Boys just did more fun things! Oh, and good for her for protecting her son when the man beat him. Bet he never tried that again.😉

[@Jodie-masterson]

I thought the same

[@megawho12]

I was a tomboy and still am actually. My family didn't once try to change who I was and I'm very appreciative to them for that.

[@sjdenning1]

Same!!

[@NikB331]

Yesss... Very much..

[@Keepingupwiththekarens]

You know what? I saw the same familiarity and was wondering who she was reminding me of! Makes total sense bc MSM’s character in the movie had a very soothing tone and was a very calm soul.

[@amandaknopp2482]

I was just like her , in the 60s- even down to the Electric shock"Treament" and being afraid to live outside of a psychiatric hospital Plus my mother sounds just like mine I became a serious heroin addict However, after extensive therapy and work on self, I managed to find myself and am now, people tell me, very " grounded "

[@hadassah6085]

Sorry you went through so much :( Electric shock treatment sounds so scary. Good job for turning things around after going through so much trauma, addiction and problems with your mother. That’s really inspiring

[@amandaknopp2482]

@@hadassah6085 thankyou so much

[@lorimav]

She is a sociopath devoid of much empathy. They have diagnosed her correctly. Hopefully your problems do not entail lack of empathy but perhaps trauma or borderline personality disorder, etc.as that has a better prognosis with treatment. I believe she is actually a psychopath. It seems that her mother and siblings are normal. It also seems that her father may have passed on his genetic predisposition towards psychopathy to her and the genes were expressed. She described him as "irresponsible" as nd a substance abuser that had barely any contact with his children. I don't think that she necessarily grew up in a neglectful nor abusive early environment that turned her into a sociopath but was simply born a psychopath. Her mother simply does not get her psychopathy, thus the friction. I take her at her word in this interview that her problems were not from her mother. Her problems are organic based, not trauma based. Can you blame her mother for harping on her? Most of us don't get what it is like not understanding most human emotions or being void of empathy.

[@myfirstnamemylastname2994]

@@lorimav so either some of this interview is missing or there is a major Chunk in which are described behaviors that are clearly devoid of empathy or human feeling and show that she is capable of any sort of depravity if it strikes her fancy and that everything she does is in service to what she needs and wants at the expense of anyone and anything outside herself. Where is that data because I'd like to see it. I do believe that not all psychopaths are Ted Bundy's and some of them flying smoothly into the radar their entire lives but what I saw in the portion of her earlier interview that I was able to see and in this one did not strike me as a psychopath. So I'll go listen to the second half and see just how many chats she kills our old lady she ripped off or how I relieved Olivia she was to any suffering her mother or children went through because of bad things she did.

[@andyandcallie]

@@lorimav You are totally wrong. I'm a forensic mental health professional and she has NO signs of psychopathy. And borderline personality disorder does NOT have a good prognosis, treatment or not. Her mother sounds pretty horrible--maybe not mentally ill but just not a good person. Who tells their children, "You're just like your father," when that carries a negative message? This poor woman is normal despite her terrible mother. No wonder she rebelled as a teenager.

[@kimlersue]

I pray her children and grandchildren on down the line have good physical and mental health. She worked hard to make herself better..and I pray it paid off for them..which makes it all worth while.

I hope she's still happy.

[@sbkeller]

I love what she says about having to have a certain kind of relationship with a doctor/therapist in order to get anything out of it. I have been in therapy for years and I went through several therapists before finding one that I felt totally connected to and I really get a lot out of our sessions.

[@spirituallysafe]

Jesus said “I am the way, the truth and the life; no-one comes to God except through Me (John 14:6). Jesus wants you to to cast all your cares on Him because He cares for you (1 Peter 5:7). Only by repenting of sin and trusting in Jesus to guide your life are you spiritually safe for all eternity. I encourage you to prayerfully read The Holy Bible.

[@sitizenkanemusic]

Treat your partner/spouse with love and compassion. Love them and trust them as much as you can. A lot of mental illness goes away when you love somebody and show patience as they learn to love themself. This lady was basically in her transition from her wild teens and 20s to adulthood with responsibilities. She made a few mistakes along the way (who hasn't?) and she realizes them and justified them. She is also very funny, very loyal, very protective, and keeps it real. I like her. She probably is an awesome grandma.

[@jayelbee777]

She has a sense of humor about it all , which is interesting. I'm impressed with how truthful she is. Her husband sounds like a saint.

[@thenamelesskitty]

This discussion of her relationship with her husband made me smile. Very wholesome.

[@lez0n]

As a psychotherapist it is wonderful to see the amount of progress she has made over time (between the first interview and this one.) She is much more insightful, at ease, and comfortable with herself. Seems a key factor was her finding a calm, stable partner that accepted her. I cannot tell you how positive a sign it is even in 2023 that a partner is invested enough in the relationship that they express willingness to participate in therapy with the individual. Also, I’m taking notes. Exceptional interviewing skills. Perfect balance of acceptance while not dodging the difficult stuff.

[@disf5178]

Did you study psychology? Like a BA or Masters? I ask because I returned to school (at 46) after shutdown. I was a hs dropout. I worked in live music venues doing stage/audio and nightclub bartending. Musician. Addict. But got clean about 8yrs ago. Realized I didn't want to stay in the music venues. Anyway, I chose Sociology (because you have to pick a major to enroll).. I finished the 2 yrs (4.0 😊) with plans to xfer to 4yr, but realized I didn't much like Sociology. At least not enough to continue. It struck me that I wanted to do social work.. counseling.. therapy. So, I started with Human Services/ Chemical Dependency. I figured I could start with Addiction Counseling and continue school. If you've read this far, and you don't mind giving me some tips or insight.. or just share with me the route you took, I'd sure appreciate it!

[@brendatomlinson]

@@disf5178I’m not the person you’re replying to but felt compelled to tell you I’m proud of you, though we don’t know each other. You’ve turned your life around from drugs and left a work environment in which it would be difficult to avoid drug use. That alone is major. And to start college after that history - just wow! I’m so impressed by your fortitude.

[@disf5178]

@@brendatomlinson that's very nice of you.. I think I'll be able to get in on some of that "proud" if/when I find myself in a new career. Now I'm just some older jerk that made lots of bad choices. But I do see a path, and a goal. So, just kinda keeping my head down and trying not to look back. I appreciate the comment😊

[@brendatomlinson]

@@disf5178You will, I believe in you. Continue building on the successes you’ve already achieved and you’ll get there.🙏🏻

[@NR-110]

Stoller certainly didn't dodge the difficult stuff: 'You're nothing but a lousy, old, no good weak female... and you're just shit. How's that? ... Christ! you can do better than that when you're crazy' Splitting: a case of female masculinity p18

[@RGL01]

I’ve watched both interviews. I’m a psychiatrist. I would have liked to ask her some questions that Dr. Stoller didn’t. As best as I can tell, this patient most probably has borderline personality disorder. Very impulsive, and fearing abandonment, with chronic feelings of emptiness. She does not come across as conscienceless, as antisocial personality personalities present.

[@jillianlea9690]

Exactly . I think shr eas treated terribly by her mother for being different and masculin .

[@SJ-os9sf]

My post from the previous video: She has history of committing fraud, drug use/charges, a few arrests, being impulsive (married a man she met the same day at age of 16), generally being apathetic about the well being of her children, lying about the number of children she had and laughing about it, lying about her second marriage (said she was with him for 3 years before marrying him but then later states that she married after knowing him only for a few weeks and also said she only married him so that he could be a father for her children and she never really liked him), and never took responsibility for her actions. She has a general attitude about not caring about anything. When the interviewer asks how she felt, shell say she didn't know or say she felt nothing. Plus when she needs to pretend to be normal, she will say she misses her children. Note that committing these types of crime, her marriages and number of times she was pregnant was very uncommon during this time.

[@BrillGirl82]

But borderlines sometimes go into a secondary psychopathic state. I do agree that she’s not a primary psychopath though.

[@WendyDahling3]

I’d like to know about the fathers of the children she had before age 15.

[@Fcreceptor]

She’s likely a borderline, and as someone mentioned, they can present with ASPD symptoms. She’s got the whole infantile thing going on and not the narcissistic traits that dominate ASPD. It’s always worth mentioning that her substance abuse makes people appear and operate as a cluster B. She was probably pretty sociopathic on alcohol and drugs, thus the ASPD Dx. The problem with psychiatry is the lack of consistent diagnostic agreement among colleagues.

[@KTurcek]

world needs more doctors like this.. I admire his style, calm understanding communication, fact that even in those times he can see more behind than just "mental disorder",..

[@tsteinebach287]

Today, they would just dope her up.

[@elizabethstewart8463]

A remarkable lady. So relatable in many ways. No father around. Nasty narcissistic mother. Her husband saved her life.

[@kariann3198]

She’s a psychopath she is a nasty cruel person

[@abunchahooey]

She had a nasty narcissistic mother? I must have missed the interview with her mother, where can I find it? I’ve wondered what her side of the story is.

[@ellenlewis9860]

I would like to hear from the father.

[@wcstrawberryfields8011]

@@abunchahooey Earlier interview available on KZbin. Same channel.

[@corie619]

She saved herself

[@barbarabrooks4747]

What an amazing change since the previous videos! It's good to see that she's got someone who cares about her. Her entire demeanor is different.

[@NikoHL]

Fantastic interview. This young woman has made remarkable progress and is so much better than she was. So reflective and self aware. . I hope her life was good.

[@KathleenMcCormickLCSWMPH]

I think she is uncovering issues here that are societal as well as endemic in the mental health system at the time. I’d say she is in the vanguard of the changes that started happening in the early 60s. Astonishing. Would love to have known her or to meet her now if she is still with us.

[@doreendaykin6693]

Beautifully & wisely said. 🙏💗🙏💙🙏.

[@ratusbagus]

I agree. Women who were not 100% feminine must be mentally unstable was the prevailing sentiment. Anecdote: My first job (in the city of London) 1971. Started with a cohort of youngsters all 18yo Ish. Real fun. Lots of girls.....but I digress. One morning one of the two girls working in my office was sent home. For wearing slacks....trousers not a dress or skirt. Yep, in the seventies. She (and her colleague) came in next day in newly bought for the purpose micro skirts. Far more work inappropriate but fitted the code. Talk about "the finger". The management were embarrassed, and of course I loved it!!! Those were the days. People think today's generation are changing things..... wrong, they're rearranging icing. Nothing like the real and hard to achieve changes made by my generation and prior. Mostly by strong, wonderful women. Last week I met-in-passing an 85 year old lady who told me she ditched her course in art (dropped out) and took up an apprenticeship as a cabinet maker. She waited 30years before meeting another she....and rarely bought furniture.

[@KathleenMcCormickLCSWMPH]

@@ratusbagus I think we may be about the same age. I agree. I believe many young women now have little or no idea of how things were for women even in the early 70s. Our career choices were limited especially if we were brought up working class. You really had to break free of societal conventions to be fully realized socially and emotionally. I became a hippie in the late 60s so that helped but then, like this woman, I had my own private fight with alcohol and drugs. Thankfully I won…. I fear societal conventions are again upon us, they are just more varied giving people the illusion that they are different but in reality confining them to their narrow lanes while encouraging scorn and belittling of those who have chosen another path.

[@ratusbagus]

@@KathleenMcCormickLCSWMPH absolutely...apart from the scorn, belittling and "they" part. If you're my age you're my kinda girl. Younger are almost invisible to me. I was square until my 30s, when I tried blow and resin that's all. Packed that in about 10+ years ago. Sexism doesn't happen to anything like the same level it did. There wer many highly paid women executives in my world...now finished. I'm glad I lived in my time.lots improved. Bet you wore loons. Loved to have seen in them. I absolutely adored and miss them. Best music, best girls. Wish I could go back!

[@patriciablue2739]

Hm. I agree.

[@OperaJH]

@I like to be taken care of. “That’s the crux of it. That’s what she needed instead of the abuse. She sounds like she has come to understand herself so much better. She does have an appealing personality.The husband sounds like he could be a therapist himself.

[@patriciapines587]

I like her fun sense of humor- she had flashes of wit as she clearly described her present situation.

[@erickleppel2732]

It really shows how acceptance and a lack of harsh judgement from her husband helped her to make progress. She would be up in her 80's now. I had to respect her for shooting a guy for beating her child.

[@EMILYHERRERA]

Yep, one good thing about those times back then. He had that one coming, and with a rifle, he was lucky. Hope he learned to keep his hands to himself.

[@tarameekins2276]

I missed that that's why she did it! Thank you for saying so.

[@tarameekins2276]

​@@EMILYHERRERAI bet she was a country gal. Bet her daddy familiarized her with shot guns.

[@kriskabin]

The husband wasn't too accepting of partner's butch gender expression though; that's why they were wearing "female clothing." *** This bigoted societal pressure to conform to rigid gender binary rules is incredibly harmful to Transgender & Non-Binary ppl. This person was NOT in the gender binary.

[@bluffermuffin1]

Her commitment to her new life is so mindful....it's refreshing.....:If he's married, I guess I out to be !". Those are wise words that many of us could learn from...such calm, self aware intelligence. Impressive.

[@paulcolbourne9112]

So amazing to see this woman transforming from what she'd been previously. She seems very grounded compared with before and capable of taking responsibility for her own happiness.

[@crystalawen]

I’m so glad she met a man who appreciated & respected her... he gave her confidence to have self respect..

[@susanstancliff2937]

I can’t hardly describe the way I feel. I have tears in my eyes. I guess I think she is such a lovely, kind person who has been through so much and is trying so hard to be who she thinks she needs to be. She’s an old soul at 25. She loves her husband and children. She seems to not be able to really say how she feels about her mother, like she is blaming herself. I’m am so thankful to hear this episode of how she has been getting along. Wow to realize that she would be in her 80’s now. Also that the Psychiatrist died in a car crash and not much is known about how she continued on in her life. This has really touched my heart and I will never forget it.

[@ImogenNeumann]

This woman is a legend. What a progressive person. I would love to hear about how her life unfolded from her children.

[@jiltedlittle6868]

I have ASPD and I can very much identify with her willingness to show care towards somebody who is committed and accepting of her current/past behaviors. The first time I met somebody who truly accepted me, I was overcame with the desire to stay connected with that person. I remember feeling that things with him were “different”, similar to the way she describes. I find it very intriguing that regardless of the fact that this is outdated, the information and display of the disorder seems to be fairly apparent. Thumbs up from me.

[@AnnafromHungarylvNW]

There is a difference between someone accepting who you are and accepting your behaviour. You control your behaviour so there is no reason to expect acceptance in that regard. Adult relationships are conditional.

[@ebogar42]

@@AnnafromHungarylvNW I refuse to control my behavior when there are so many people in the world that can't control theirs. They think they can run all over you or say what they want without you saying anything back. I never worry about anyone accepting me for anything. Fuck what society thinks about my behavior.

[@julz9378]

Eric Bogar that makes you antisocial; the fact that you dont care...

[@ebogar42]

@@julz9378 Yeah, I know I am. I've always been like that. My Dads like that. My sons like that. My mom is even like that. Being social is overrated. All I need is a small circle of friends. I don't even like too many people in the world. Most people think their shit don't stink and act so fake out in public. I don't like that. I don't like religious people either or nationalists that think I have to bow down to symbols and stand while everyone chants how proud they are to be an American as if that means something in life. I don't give a fuck about this country or half the people in it, so don't include me in your bullshit.

[@dahliatrouble]

@@julz9378 well what have we walked into here....? Does not white rage fall under the umbrella of aspd?

[@eanymeanyminymo]

amazing how she is uncomfortable speaking on feelings about her mother, then takes a confident assertive breath and says ‘I’m not comfortable talking about it.’ Boundaries are taught, and it served her well. We’re lucky if we have loving parents teaching us about our autonomy as children.

[@eanymeanyminymo]

in the older interview, she says 'oh, I don't know' a lot, in order to avoid uncomfortable topics. Her willingness to stay in therapy and her improvement is something she should be proud of.

[@PlatinumIrishrose]

That was a BEAUTIFUL INTERVIEW! She shows her strength inside and out with her honesty.❤

[@user-kb3up4qt4g]

I watched this several times. I really like this woman. Her personality is so compelling, She's thoughtful, deep, and articulate. I hope her life proceeded well after these sessions.

[@jak9483]

This lady is very intelligent. She is so articulate and is able to hold a conversation with ease and explain herself. I think there is a lot of anger inside of her because the child within her wasn't nurtured and understood. I can relate completly. In fact I'm 62 and only now because my Mother is dead I can accept that the way I reacted as a child was to feel bad and different like she does which is why she can't fit in.

[@caracopland710]

Glad I'm not thee only one whom sees complete similarities in her personality & I even admire her. I'm 36 now. Wish I was as worldly & as honest at 25 like she is. God bless her. Yourself too. We can explain & fathom the what's & whys NOW. There was nothing NOTHING for her then. I hope she found happiness as it sounded as if she was finding herself loving her husband, if not reluctant to do so thru her own past losses. She shot the man dead like any mother would do seeing an intruder battering her child. Award the woman I say... Dingwall 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿✌️❤️💪🙏

[@aliceosiecki7419]

I’m with you JAK. 100%. Dad died, now we get along great. Mom just died, a little more complicated, but I’m working on it.

[@ddubsvideos3433]

@@caracopland710 She didn't shoot the man dead. She barely hurt him at all. Which is a good thing cause they probably would have kept her in jail and charged her with murder.

[@liddlekiddle1962]

Wonderful young lady who looks to have overcome a lot of issues and obstacles in her life. God bless her and her family. Wish we knew how her life turned out as she got older.

[@renaecrittenden5667]

She had come a long way. I'm amazed at how deep her thoughts were, especially back when she was only 21 years old. I'm so happy that she found happiness.

[@laquicha8159]

It’s so great to see her happy and with a family she loves and stays present for. I’ve wondered so many times how she did. Thank you for giving us viewers this closure.

[@oldromancewendyboulter8729]

She is an amazing strong woman. Very straightforward. Her history of getting in trouble shows no one could manipulate her. She truly cared for her children. I love her honesty. Her husband saved her life. He truly loved her and she could finally love back.

[@eeekamouse1074]

I’d really like to know how her life turned out for her. Love conquers ALL. Her husband loved her deeply, a love she’d never had or known until she married him. He also understood her illness, he never judged her, he was patient & kind. His love changed her life completely. She radiates happiness. Therapy and her loving husband & children completely changed her❤

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

She was a lesbian. The marriage didn’t last. She spent the second half of her life living as a lesbian and had a long term partner.

[@esh150]

@@slacktoryrecords4193 I so hope she was happy.

[@sarahs5340]

There’re always so charming for some reason. Steal you blind while the both of you are smiling. Even the people in the comments are like, “Narkos, shot someone…how wonderful she is”. It’s funny in a way how we are all duped so easily. It’s that dark charisma.

[@mariageldenhuys6309]

What a pleasant young lady. I can see that she is happier now than she was at the last interview. She smiles so much more. I am so thrilled with her progress. God bless her dear soul.💐

[@Bbtwink]

Her soul needed to be kept in a jar. Bless her life, and her story, and her lineage that became. I’m glad this person in history was documented throughly.

[@RH-ng9qm]

She is too smart and aware of her surroundings/the wider society. There are more women like her than we'd like to believe. Super strong. A survivor.

[@TarantulaswithShanti]

Yes!

[@melindamarie6139]

I would want a friend like her. Unapologetically herself. Honest, real and very much grounded.

[@cf1391]

It's beautiful the way she talks about her husband, that he epitomises absolute unconditional love in her eyes.

[@Anonymous-ti9pb]

My best friend has a mom like her. It changed her and she still bears those wounds. My friend is the strongest woman I've ever met. The *only* thing that breaks her is talking about her mom and childhood. It's incredible the damage a damaged mother can cause. I met my friends mom too- sugar sweet in public, all spikes in private. Nobody believed my friend for the longest because of her mom's sweet facade. I had to remind her not all snakes hiss in the grass, some hiss only in private tunnels in the ground.

[@americanwhiterose340]

I don't bother with snakes. They don't bother with me. I stay away from them when I see them. They stay away from me when they see me. It is mutual respect. Everyone is different. Some people prefer to do their own things. Don't judge people unless you know them. But not everyone wants to be known.

[@LucaAnamaria]

​@@americanwhiterose340You'd hang out with the snake if it managed to convince you that it's a harmless teddy bear. That's sociopathy.

[@squirrelcovers6340]

My mom was one of those snakes.

[@EMILYHERRERA]

Sounds like this woman's mom was an abusive snake.

[@communicationbreakdown256]

I'm very fortunate everyone loved my mom, my friends, and my brothers friends.

[@mojosuzo9617]

I thought she was very authentic - and I related to her on many levels. I know people look at me and my partner and think we are a real mismatch, but the glue that binds me to him is he's a lot like me and we understand one another on a higher level. We were both homeless/wild teens (turned out by our disfunctional parents). At a very young age my partner was even placed in borstal. We've both turned out great as adults though. We both work extremely hard (might say we're both workaholics) and always took responsibility/care for our kids - who've all turned out to be great people. Having kids saved my life, but there are still people are too quick to judge and exclude us 'outliers' unfairly.

[@tellywilliams4221]

You are living works of art. Remember this. In all seriousness.

[@kariann3198]

She isn’t she has a mask up. All her fidgety and smiles are fake

[@AM1465]

@@kariann3198 I agree with you entirely. She is playing the part. She didn't get her ASPD diagnosis for no reason and all the well-meaning people in this comments section posting comments about how touching she is, how honest she is, beautiful person etc would be ripe prey for her and people like her and end up badly damaged.

[@kariann3198]

@@AM1465 exactly

[@glendathegoodwitch6987]

@@AM1465 I don't know if I agree with you, but what you say is interesting food for thought. I thought she made some interesting admissions, if not even unlikely, like surviving the motorcycle accident just the night before, shooting someone and not killing them, and yet her appearance, demeaner, and affect are so different and seemingly authentic. Some aspects of her seem genuine, authentic and persuasive.

[@dswilliams2686]

This mental patient is more civilized, more charming and more dignified than most women walking the street today, and was even so during interview 1. I hope her life turned out well in the end.

[@R.Williams]

That's a pretty big blanket statement. Makes me feel you don't know very many women.

[@Wife_Mother_Failure]

@@R.Williamsrubber dolls don’t count…

[@dswilliams2686]

@@R.Williams ROFL...."blanket statement" and yet you make a blanket statement about me without even so much as an interview to go on. You have no clue who you're talking to. If that's the best you can say you should save your keystrokes. Women today are walking down the street shouting obscenities at each other and into their cell phones, covered in tatoos, wearing yoga pants that are 5 sizes too small and can't carry on an intelligent conversation. Yes there are many exceptions but I think you missed the words "MOST women" in my comment.

[@Angela-dx6cs]

This is so wonderful to see how her life has changed in 3 years. She is so smart, verbal, honest and has grown emotionally so much than last video.

[@NicholasStrong]

She seems too honest for the times she’s living in. Living a lie will drive anyone to madness.

[@michaelscurr9046]

Hi Nicholas strong.I liked your comment. would you think living a double life is the same.Thanks Mick

[@KraftyKris10]

This comment is me now days. I never lie and wonder if I should sometimes. It can get you in trouble but it’s doesn’t sit right right to lie.

[@soapbox187]

This is an excellent point of view. Very true. Seems like a rubics cube trying to pass as a chessboard. Very interesting woman. I fail to see any signs of Antisocial behaviour.

[@SpookymidnightKyanite7]

They were very honest back then but today if we were that honest everyone'd get offended...

[@NicholasStrong]

Makayla Pickford they weren’t really. There weren’t enough safe spaces for people to exist as the “other”...gender, sexuality, race, religion etc. Anything that wasn’t white, Christian, heterosexual and male was looked on as different or wrong. Yes, there were exceptions.

[@lulugoulart5014]

The fact that she was willing to continuing to have her emotional issues resolved it's a great step to get better. Her husband helped a lot giving her love and attention. I can't imagined all that happening in the 50's with all the hypocrisy of that era.

[@warmwoolsoxgood4559]

Agreed. She appears to be the scapegoat for her mother and that role is a devastating role to be forced into by her mom. It’s good to see her doing better and I do hope it lasted throughout her life. No one deserves to be put down for looking like an ex husband, the girl looked like her father, she said in the first reel, and her mother was cruel to her due to that. Her mom seemed a real cold person when it came to this woman as a small child. So damaging because the child cannot effectively change it so “mommy will like me as much as she does (a sibling”. She’s very likable. Finally, although I do understand a professional aloofness, I do wish he’d shown her some bit of happiness for her capacity to have made real changes to her life, all for the better. A kind word. A “it’s good to see you smiling today”, just a small personal encouragement.

[@loridoolaghty3453]

When your a round peg trying to fit in a square hole it causes problems. Also when your mother doesn't like you or understand you, it takes its toll on you psychi. I understand everything she has said and I can relate. It's nice to see her recovered.

[@aussiegirl654]

I grew up in a home with violence, mental illness and alcohol. I understand where this lady is coming from. I'm a bit of a loner and prefer that. Some of the things she did I believe was for self protection she went through alot for her age. I prefer jeans too im a bit of a tomboy. This lady is well educated and polite .She kept a positive outlook and enjoyed herself doing activities and enjoying life and was a responsible mum. Back then lots of women married for convenience, someone to support them or their children, a roof over their heads it wasn't acceptable back then for a woman to have an opinion it was a mans world. There was no support back then like today. I hope she lived a long happy life and found peace.

[@lorimav]

Did you see the first interview? Probably not. These were not her first children. No way she was a responsible mom. Her mother was taking care of her children during that first interview. Listen carefully to both interviews, read between the lines, and think about what an acceptable parent is at the very minimum and what a typical parent is.

[@robertklimeck1918]

@@lorimav To be fair, her mother was caring for her children while she was seeking help, trying to get better. Remember she also said in that first video something along the lines of that she wished the situation was different where her mother wasn't having to care for her children. This woman is not perfect, far from it and I do think many people in the comments are glamorizing her, forgetting that she is indeed a troubled woman and has most likely been through hell and back. But what's important is that she realizes that she's troubled and needs help and wants to get better. From this interview compared to her first one, it does appear she has come along ways. Just be glad that either you haven't gone through the trauma she has or if you have, that it didn't affect you the way it did her and many others. Remember the saying, don't judge someone until you walk a mile in their shoes. I've certainly learned this throughout my life, not to judge others cause you never know when a shit storm is going to come knocking at your door and how you will respond to it.

[@aussiegirl654]

4Veritas We could go and on and this will be my last comment on the matter ,but you said don't judge ,yet you did judge her. Instead of judging others I tend to help others, especially those with mental illness or have abused by their parents or others. Showing kindness and compassion goes a long way. Usually when I'm out and about people that are struggling are drawn to me for some reason. I asked my relative why that is and she said because you treat people with respect and don't look down on them. I knew a friend growing up she was 1 of 5 kids. Her mum kept an immaculate home everything was on schedule bathtime,meals etc. A perfect family it would appear. I recall playing at her house, you were not allowed to walk on the rugs you had to walk around them you couldn't make a mess or it wasn't good. All the children had to be seated in the lounge room after bath time. 4 out the 5 kids ended up on heroin and my friend died from an OD. See being the perfect family sometimes effects the kids. Adults think children dont understand conflict or violence in the home but it effects them by behaviour or depression and then they wonder why their children struggle later on with relationships, friendships etc due to what the parents did thinking it doesn't effect my child.The world is becoming a terrible place where people are becoming cold towards others and it's terribly sad to see. I wish you well in your life.

[@lorimav]

@@aussiegirl654 You don't understand. I have adopted older children that went through early childhood trauma. Two of them have continuous anxiety and have probably developed it because of the hyperarousal of a continuous neglectful and sometimes abusive early environment. One is showing some signs of borderline personality disorder. Two show some mild anti-social characteristics. Two get relief from the legalized medicinal marijuana at times. I have a lot of sympathy and patience with my adopted children. The two with most of the trouble were removed from their biological families by the state. I adopted them at ages 8 and 11. I was not trying to judge this woman. I read the scriptures and am full aware that " But many that are first will be last, and the last first". We may be very surprised when we see those who seem to have lead a virtuous life last in heaven while others who appeared to be troublemakers, criminals, etc. may end up judged more charitably. I am trying to be objective here. I don't think that this woman has trauma based problems necessarily. I think she may be a pscychopath. I have 3 youtubes on psychopathy and/or sociopathy for your to better understand them and that psychopathy often is not trauma based. It is genetic. One inherits the genetic predisposition and the genes are expressed.Sociopathy though is not genetic. In this case the woman clearly is either a psychopath or sociopath and that was what she was diagnosed with, anti-social personality disorder. She has the characteristics. In the first interview she describes her father (possibly a psychopath and the source of the genetic predisposition) and in the second interview she states that her mother was not abusive and the cause of her condition and that her siblings were normal. I will take her on her word and it leads me to believe that she is a psychopath (from birth) and was not molded into a sociopath by extreme early childhood trauma. If you listen to both interviews and listen more than once it is more than obvious that she was not a good mother based on any objective criteria. The two that she still had were not her only children. She was living a life of crime, check forging, stealing vehicles, extreme promiscuity, random and frequent marriages, etc. etc. and her mother was raising her children. I think in the second interview she had been with someone for 2-3 years and after a while had begun to take some responsibility for the children and was learning slowly to take some responsibility. She admits that even in this marriage she was slowly learning to become less wild and more responsible. This isn't so much an emotionally volatile woman like you might find in borderline personality disorder, this is a woman that fits the traditional characteristics of anti-social personality disorder. She is devoid of much empathy and is concentrating on meeting basic needs and sexual needs and is looking for others to serve her and takes advantage of them. She seems to have difficulty answering emotion based questions and questions that require insight into others. In the second interview she maybe learning that there are societal rules and she may have a better life if she plays a bit more by the empaths' rules and tries to understand them better. You maybe interested in some of these. The first is the most technical and the other two are less so: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGG6YpqCl5qMf68 kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooDNqp6ChqaXl6c kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJWzfoiObcRrg9U Contrast those people with the people suffering from borderline personality disorder which is actually more treatable.: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2eadJ6XqZyZb5o

[@lorimav]

@@robertklimeck1918 All I can say is to refer you to my second comment to Elisa Silvy. I cannot tell if she has been "to hell and back." Anti-social behavior disorder was her diagnosis and they are correct. Is she a psychopath or a sociopath? That is to say was she for all intents and purposes born that way because of a genetic predisposition or was she because of trauma or etc. molded into a sociopath? If she was born with the genetic predisposition for psychopathy and it was expressed then it does not necessarily follow that she went "to hell and back." Psychopaths are often born to very compassionate and moral parents who provided very good early environments but you could say that a group of them put their parents through hell. I will take her on her word that her siblings were normal and that her mother was not the cause of her problems. I listened to both of the interviews. I don't see much evidence of others putting her through hell. A lot her trouble seems to be with law enforcement, substance abuse and people probably complaining about her lack of responsibility. The psychotic episodes sound like they definitely came from the substance abuse of amphetamines or etc.. Yes, she is having trouble with her mother's criticism but it is to be expected if you are ultrapromiscuous, have been pregnant at least 5 times between the ages 16 and 20, had multiple ill-thought out marriages, abuse substances, rock the societal norms of the day (the bisexuality) and are in continuous trouble with law enforcement and you leave your children to be supported and cared for by your mother. I know if most of us did a fraction of these things our mother's would be a source of frequent criticism. Here might help with understanding psychopathy: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b2eadJ6XqZyZb5o

[@philippriestman8516]

A living example of that rarity…. A self actualised person, showing the massive effort required to achieve something even close to it.

[@lorimav]

One man's psychopath/sociopath is another man's "self actualised rarity." kzbin.info/www/bejne/pYvHl4SshLSkaM0

[@user-re1zr9lq2u]

She was a forward thinking ahead of her time strong woman who gladly met a loving husband and hopefully sounds like she changed the cycle that she was dealt with from a young age well done 👏🏼 the husband was a perfect match for her open minded caring and compassionate and that’s all she needed to feel safe on the outside world

[@shavaunaronan3188]

What a lovely human being this woman is. Her honesty is so refreshing. I really enjoyed the video. I hope this woman went on to have a wonderful life .

[@Karaunicorn]

She is not an antisocial personality disordered person! She is someone who is more awake than anyone at that time and even now will ever be to the realities of the world we live in!

[@silverrabbit7854]

This is her treated....

[@ebogar42]

Most sociopaths are awake and more rational than everyone else. That's why they don't get brainwashed very easily or conform to what others do by getting hit on.

[@Karaunicorn]

@@ebogar42 yeah but that doesn't mean every everyone who thinks O U t Of the box is necessarily a sociopath

[@Karaunicorn]

@@ebogar42 that is a good point though

[@nickbargas7352]

@@Karaunicorn that's what makes cluster B personality disorders so appealing. They learned very early in life how to quickly scan and manipulate people. They had to so they could survive from an abusive childhood. If you live with a ASPD, NPD, BPD or HISTRIONIC and spend longer periods of time with them behind closed doors you will see how broken they can be. It's sad really but that's why it's a disorder.

[@judy-9999]

This woman is thinking clearly and is ahead of her time. I’ve got massive respect and admiration for her! ✌️I’m grateful to her AND this awesome, thotful Doctor for their contribution to our world for sharing this video 🙏

[@novaska69]

She expected her new husband to reject her based on her past. When she was hospitalized and her came up to see her everyday, she decided that since he was committed to their marriage, she had better also. She expected to be abandoned but finally found the love she needed and craved.

[@christianez6899]

So good to see her so happy and loved and supported - she's talking about needing to relate well to another human being and being treated like a human being. You can tell how insightful and humane she is and empathetic towards others, she just needed people she could depend on who she could trust and had her back and told her she was loved and a good person. Crazy to think that lesbianism or pan-sexuality was considered part of an anti-social trait to meet a PD diagnosis. Rate of drug use from childhood abuse is pretty high. What an incredible thing to see her find comfort and trust and security in others. Her mother should feel ashamed of what she did to that poor child.

[@susanquinlan7426]

The last of her words were so gracious, wise and kind concerning the pregnant girl. And others are nuts? This is just a lovely young lady who had a rough time growing up.

[@crystalm3th573]

Shes been in treatment for majority of her life. So i guess the treatment is effective and hence she appears to be a better version of herself in this clip. We need to realise, thats this is just few minutes of her whole life. We have not seen the dark side, so its pretty easy to be fooled by this calmer, more mature and in control version.

[@kimroy6640]

Kind of reminds me a bit of Alice on The Brady Bunch.

[@bernitajenkins3180]

People are so freakin' judgemental.

[@TheRealTrueCrimeAnalyst]

@@bernitajenkins3180 YES.

[@deanobannon842]

You obviously don't understand what aspd is.. she is a sociopath

[@carisaunders2346]

Im so glad to see she still has that spark. Loving bikes and Levi's. Sending peace, light, and love to you Mrs. G., wherever you are.

[@boop7313]

16.24 the feeling she can't seem to name is acceptance. How beautiful that she found someone who gave her that and look how it changed her. So beautiful. She's a remarkable woman and he sounds like a remarkable man too.

[@janisyoung9682]

She has come a long way from the woman she was in the 1st interview. I am so glad. She acknowledges her problems and is willing to work hard. I am also happy that she has a husband who supports her in her treatment.

[@faithfulgrl]

I love this woman. She is so kind. She has realized mental illness does not mean your crazy or weird. She knows she has an illness no different than any other physical illness. She is more open minded than many people in 2022. Wow, hospitals then were awful to people with a mental illness. She said she can't explain the feeling because she doesn't know what it is. She is really an interesting person. Thanks😊

[@tsteinebach287]

I don't think she's mentally ill. She reacted to the way her life was. Her mother's abuse.

[@WendyWarren-hq7ne]

Her honesty about herself is beautiful..despite all the issues. She is an unjudgemental soul and a beautiful soul. People were so judgemental back in those days make me so sad because ordinary people with issues or if they didn't act right were considered sick.. which I believe that made them more sick. She didn't think like they did so she was different which turned her to alcohol and in turn made her do stupid things impulsive things. Of coarse she needs therapy but I feel she just has never been accepted before..ii do hope she found it God Bless her😔I don't think I will ever forget watching this..it touch me..she touched me❤️

[@catseatcookiessofiagacha5210]

Me too🥰

[@mircat28]

Oh by the way I shot a man. This after about 6 other things of lesser importance. She has serious problems and she needs a heck of a lot more therapy. She feels taken care of.

[@DVD927]

Holy cow

[@zeerohour8129]

It's almost as if all Mrs. G ever needed was just one person to invest in her. I still see a serious problem where her mother is concerned. She simply will not utter it and that behavior always raises my hackles. Yet, even here in this follow up, she still isn't ready to share it. More than anything, this interview makes me want to cheer her on so badly. I really want her to make it. I hope she did. She really did make a huge amount of progress between the 2 interviews. I see investment on HER part, I see new coping skills and she still has trouble with her past coming back to haunt her and societal acceptance, but she handles this completely differently and pushes down the temptation to act out. Genuine smiles, not contemptuous ones. Mr. G - You're a prince! Yes you are! Mrs. G - where ever you are, I see how hard you worked for this. In this moment, its all good. You have this and no one could ever take it from you. Thank you for letting us have a window into your world.

[@alexandrafar9400]

It's fascinating that she recognizes her connection to Dr. Thiel as being so healing, after having so, so much therapy and many hospitalizations.

[@haynic7600]

Im so happy to see this update. Such a lovely lady. I really hope shes had a happy life ❤

[@kneedeepinbluegrass3086]

Wow! What a difference between this interview and the first one! Im happy for her.

[@crazy_old_bat]

The way she smiles when talking about her husband speaks volumes.

[@savagesquad4013]

I see a person who is being honest and knows she is broken but trying to put her life in order and has made great strides. She smiles more than she did in previous interviews and opened up much more this time and is more self aware i think. This is an amazing compilation of interviews.

[@consciousobserver629]

"I'm not in the habit of shooting people." Well when a drug addict breaks into your home and beats your kid it's time to intervene. For such a somber and even keeled demeanor, she surprised me with her wild antics. 😳

[@jamesb.9155]

This is a fascinating session to listen in on. She would be about 87 years old at this time. Would love to be able to listen & check in with her like this every year or so. She is an interesting woman!

[@emilyflotilla931]

According to the first comment she is no longer alive.

[@hannahrosa5485]

@@emilyflotilla931 She is or was the same age as my mother. I hope she had a good life.

[@emilyflotilla931]

@WISE ASASERPENT Me too, and I hope she found her true authentic self. It can be a rough journey, no matter our burdens.

[@ddubsvideos3433]

This woman and this dr along with her other dr that she likes are an inspiration for anyone with mental health issues.

[@DReed1945]

The maturity of women back this is nice to see. Plus the ability to try and get better when given the opportunity versus today where people love to use anxiety as their whole personality and why they refuse to get better. They tend to love to use it as an excuse whereas we see Mrs. G worked to get better and find love. She didn’t have an easy childhood and needed parental love and found it as an adult.

[@katthefantastic]

I don't see how people with true mental illness don't want to get help, if available that is. I have issues and it is debilitating! I have to go to therapy, it's far to painful not to.

[@aquickbrownfox2466]

I love her for who she is and who she became. Two ends of the same string. She’d like to go out and party, but then she’s feel like shit in the morning and she wouldn’t be able to iron the clothes. I love her.

[@mikeamico6763]

Lmao I think she's cool to she keeps it real .I wish more people would do the same

[@gpm14]

Nice to hear her talk about the relationship with the therapist is a vital role in her recovery. Especially trust. And the love her husband has makes a difference too. Plus she is older. She does seem to have a conscience. Hope things continued to progress positively for her and her family.

[@creative2716]

Glad to see her smile.

[@sherleneklemens5331]

Unconditional love from her husband has helped her be more stable. It’s lovely.

[@kriskabin]

Forcing his wife to wear "female clothing" is not unconditional love. If it wasn't such a binary gendered world back then, this person sounds like they would've been way more comfortable in men's clothes.