Why EVERYBODY Hates Red Bull

[@FootballIconic]

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[@Venerable471]

What's the first bgm please🙏

[@purvalama6540]

LONG LIVE WEED

[@purvalama6540]

RB LEIPZIG ROCKS 😍

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[@FootballIconic]

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[@deeptisinha4709]

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[@john-olivierlukama1548]

No. His first ever sponsor was the like button.

[@Motorvegful]

Also red Bull sponsored this vid

[@adamrafieljuanil4085]

For the question at 9:11 I’m from Sabah, Malaysia. My local team has been through some dark times, only recently got promoted to the Malaysian Super League (the top flight). Our top flight has been monopolised by JDT since idk, 2013 I guess. Any half decent players who could play for our national team would be snapped away by JDT. Normally I’d be against a Red Bull takeover of a historical club like United or Liverpool, or Southampton, Leicester, or West Ham, or even clubs like Notts County or Chesterfield. But for a team like ours, in a league monopolied by a single team, in a league where some teams can’t even pay player wages, I honestly wouldn’t mind an RB Sabah (or RB Kota Kinabalu in my city). There isn’t really much to lose, and the positive impact of a multibillion company’s investment in the local sports scene outweighs the negative IMO.

[@ammarharith5512]

Hai, Sabahan. Penonton KL di sini. 😁

[@adamrafieljuanil4085]

@@ammarharith5512 hai orang KL 🤟

[@lordhiguain7800]

RB wouldn't pump cash on our players. Overpriced. Even Thailand and Vietnam players have lower salary than us.

[@lordbendtner6404]

Saye org phg but team phg pun tgh ayam skg ni

[@mrksshn0656]

orang palembang gan 🔥🔥🔥

[@arbernumani3709]

There is no point in your club winning trophies with a new owner if the new owner changes the name, kit and logo of the club. If my club got new owners who were willing to spend while also honoring and expanding on the club’s culture I would love it, if they try to change everything about the club, including its culture to the point where I cant recognize my club anymore, whats the point in supporting it ?

[@FootballIconic]

Fair enough

[@BenjaminKeller]

Maybe the future of football is not club fanatism but more neutral people watching incredible athlets do their thing. (More like the Olympics)

[@hanli5416]

@@BenjaminKeller that is very positive worldly thinking. Looking at recent political developments there is a long way to go really. Brexit, Trump have shown footballification of politics is a thing so humanity does seem to like viewing things from the perspective of their own team aka culture more as of yet.

[@CenkZappa]

@@BenjaminKeller In American sports kids are now rooting for athletes instead of teams/organizations. This does seem to be the future of sports.

[@CenkZappa]

@@hanli5416 and that's true too. Fuck...

[@d1nesh._223]

"Is Redbull good for football" Jamie Vardy will say yes

[@daffamustafa]

LMFAO

[@afghhfgy2190]

Jamie vardy says with a little bit of whiskey

[@pacco9532]

Afgh Hfgy big bag of marching powder

[@jivvr]

@@pacco9532 while going crazy with all that Caffeine

[@pacco9532]

faxetube whatever it takes

[@mariovf456]

I'm from Mexico Here we are used to see clubs been sold and bought like they were stickers for an album, owners they change the city they used to played and it's entire identity In the first division it happens like once every 5 years, but in lower divisions it happens literally every year I personally think that's one of the reasons our football doesn't gets better, always pursuing money over sport talent

[@hardbassmonkey]

What club are you supporting?

[@mariovf456]

@@hardbassmonkey Im a fan of Club Universidad Nacional, better know as "Pumas"

[@hardbassmonkey]

@@mariovf456 Sounds like they got overtaken by investors as well. I don't know much about Liga MX tbh.

[@dotQuadcore]

Might be a discourse on this, but reciting the point from the video, RB has shown that they can produce talents for the future of the sport. From Haaland to Verstappen, they know how to develop potentials to become a star. Also, one uniqueness of RB-run clubs have compared to other clubs, is that they have established a network to transfer players without much hassle. This system saw players easily moving towards Salzburg and Leipzig, and occasionally also RBNY.

[@NoDaysOff211]

A lot like the city football group

[@ShivSai123456]

Vettel* first

[@BostonSQ]

Also they sale they stars in a very reasonable price

[@kurtsudheim825]

That's not be themselves doing work, they just employee good people like Julian Magellan our Minardi as seen here, but still, they have to do that so yes. But moving players from nyrb to Salzburg to Leipzig is pretty much illegal, it's like as shady dealing as you can get, giving jobs to family members. They mine then easily because they don't bother with hard baking negotiating because there's no fair trade, the co still owns them overall so can just move the money around like a money launderer

[@kurtsudheim825]

@@ShivSai123456 yes, nobody said he wasn't, he just came up with the the current eg. Also he's partially right in that betel want brought up from youth with rb whereas max was

[@maxmuller2928]

I was a youth player for Sachsen Leipzig (one of the teams shown briefly in here playing against rb). It was like the best team around and of course everyone’s dream in the team was to go pro however there was pretty much no consistent way of showing yourself to the world in east Germany as most of the cities around had 3rd ligue teams at the very best if not lower than that Therefore scouts showing up was also a bit rarer than needed When red bull came in They took on about half of my team including and it was kinda like a new hope for us players As not only did we now get way better training facilities and means of training which are to this day still proving steadily but we did also get way more of the public eye now which was much needed for eastern German football Accidents happen and I quit football a year later however with all the hate I still do have to say that Leipzig now has the best youth training Programm in all of east Germany which in turn also made the other teams around up their game when it comes to youth development which can only benefit the sport itself in the long run Also as someone who loves the city he grew up in Leipzig is one of the fastest growing cities in Germany which is great to see imo und red bull only contributed Also the heritage card doesn’t really work out here as the club that got bought out to become rb had barely a fan base and was largely unknown in the city

[@samuelschonenberger]

I remember the day back in German High School when we were playing football and in the break a guy told us that they had to rename Red Bull to "Rasenballsport" Couldn't hold back my laughter because it sounded ridiculous, although it is kind of clever

[@FootballIconic]

😂

[@daffamustafa]

Should've name it VFR then right

[@samuelschonenberger]

@@daffamustafa Verein für Reiche?

[@daffamustafa]

@@samuelschonenberger Verein Fuer Rasenballsport

[@Peter-Gue]

find Spielvereinigung GreutherF und VereinFürBallsportarten Stuttgart und BallsportVereinigungBorussia nich so viel besser ehrlich gesagt...

[@AncientTJ]

As an Austrian I feel like RB has changed a lot for the better. Generally more eyes on Austrian football and great academies for upcoming talent. Although it does have a bitter side taste to it.

[@rogoznicafc9672]

didnt watch the video. Why the bitter side?

[@spooky_808]

@@rogoznicafc9672 Watch the video lmao.

[@rogoznicafc9672]

@@spooky_808 no time

[@lRaphy]

@@davidmontgomery1442 yes id say so

[@gandalfderkotfarbene962]

gibt wenig grund mehr die liga zu schauen wenn der neue meistertitel der 2. platz is

[@juliawho8631]

As a Leipzig citizen: RB has done a lot for the city. It created a ton of new jobs and made the city a lot more popular for visitors. It has brought overall more wealth to the city. Yes a lot of football fans hate RB, but they still come to see their team play and spend their money in the city. And the city really is beautiful! It has gorgeous old buildings, lots of nature and a rich history, I would advice everyone to visit. Oh and we just won our first title, exactly 10 days ago we won the DFB Pokal ( German Cup) after reaching the finale 2 times prior.

[@EduSaav]

and where are the Leipzig fans in other beatiful and Historic citys in Germany when they have to play away??? i hope u get my criticism, if every club would turn into Leipzig the overall Intrest in football would drasticly shrink in Germany. Thats my honest opinion u can already tell by the intrest of the youth in the Bundesliga. Kinda late replie but i just watched it now. Hope ya do well.

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[@FootballIconic]

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[@iBhacaBeats]

9:17 If were this to happen to your club, how would you feel about it? I would be livid. wouldn't protest at or against the new owners as there is no law stopping them from renaming and destroying the team. I would protest against the league for having weak rules that disregard the feelings of the fans and the well being of the players and staff of new purchased club. It happens almost every year in South Africa. This topic always trigger me. They allowed Bush Bucks to relocate. They allowed the sale of Wits University, which was named Bidvest Wits by their corporate owners, renamed and relocated. Allowed the sale of Bloemfontein Celtics, renaming and relocation. Both these teams have throphies. One of them even competed in a CAF competitions. Fans had jerseys. These did not disappear like Bury, which is probably much better than say Portsmouth gets new owners, then move the team to London or Liverpool then rename and change colors, killing history in the process. What happened with old Salzburg team and what happens to South African soccer fans is painful. Be that as it may, i wouldn't mind a City Group and Red Bull team, as long as the league comes up with rules that a bit strict(No using corporate/brand names. No relocating. No renaming.Definately mind the fans that attracted you to the club) Love PSL.

[@jmsebastianhasvideogametho6063]

As an MLS fan when Red Bull took over the MetroStars, it was a pretty controversial change (even though the MetroStars were also a corporate owned company). While they haven't won an MLS league title since forming, they have been a pretty respectable club. Winning in MLS (and winning consistently) is really difficult because of salary expense limitations and there are playoffs to determine the ultimate winner each year. I can't speak for all MLS fans, of course, but I think there's a fair amount of respect for what they've managed to accomplish thus far. They are far more competitive year to year than some teams in the league, and that alone in an accomplishment. The Supporters' Shield is also a pretty big deal as it means you earned the most points during the season and gives you a berth into the Concacaf Champions League.

[@richard_nj]

As a football fan who lives not too far from Leipzig, this is a difficult one. On one hand, I see the 50+1 rule as probably the single most valuable and positively impactful thing in regards to German club football. It's the reason why the big bosses at Bayern and Dortmund had to openly reject the Super League from basically the start of the discussion in the mainstream, it's the reason why things like ticket prices haven't gotten as much out of control as in other leagues, why fan culture doesn't get restricted or simply destroyed by corporate decision making, it's the reason why even first divison matches still feel like they're about the football and the fans and not a means to an end for some rich dudes to get richer. There's no corporate minimalism in German football symbolism, no clubs throwing decades or over a century of history away by changing their badge to something completely different because a few disconnected people at the top think that another badge would be more marketable globally. The 50+1 rule is absolutely crucial in maintaining the things that are still great about club football from a general fans perspective and seeing it being circumvented and disregarded so blatantly immediately makes you want to despise the club that resulted from that. On the other hand, you have to realise that the 50+1 rule isn't necessarily great at producing vertical mobility up and down the league structure. With outside investment being so limited, it's very easy for the big guys to stay the big guys and incredibly hard for the small guys to get to the top and stay there. We're certainly beyond the point of any sort of real parity and competitiveness at the very top of the Bundesliga, Bayern are pretty much guaranteed the title year after year, if they slip up massively, which doesn't really happen, Dortmund win it. The rest literally do not have a chance. RB Leipzig represents the only club that you could see break into that top 2 and stay there longterm. And then you have to consider where the club is located. East Germany to this day is hamstrung economically by the after effects of socialism and that certainly affected football in the region as well. After the country was reunified around 30 years ago, many major East German football clubs with rich and successful histories fell completely off the map because they were simply incapable of competing with West German clubs on a financial level. There are clubs who have been staples of European club competitions in the past who are still now struggling for survival, not because they were mismanaged, but simply because of where they were located. I believe RB Leipzig has given East Germany some relevancy back in the world of football and has revitalized the fan community to a certain degree, in more ways than one actually. Not only are some people around here, who weren't that much into football before, now getting into the sport because there's finally a club with actual status and pedigree nearby, but the fan communities of other East German clubs seem to be more engaged and growing because the existence of RB has unified them in their disapproval of the club.

[@langletprolet8378]

Agreed and very level-headed. There’s a lot of layers on this. I saw an anti-RB Leipzig comment by a Bayern fan, because Leipzig isn’t really true to 50+1 rule, but it’s very easy to say for a Bayern fan. But at the same time, in the Austrian league Red Bull became its own Bayern where they just keep winning everything. The positive is that Austrian players have been the most developed there. Such an interesting discussion Red Bull is.

[@mortezz1268]

@@langletprolet8378 I hate Bayern but I hate Leipzig even more and RB Salzburg barely has any Austrian talents anymore they mostly go for Germans or Africans nowadays

[@AshifKhan-fz6oh]

@@mortezz1268 they create talents unlike a certain club From Germany

[@mortezz1268]

@@AshifKhan-fz6oh tell me about all the great talents that came out of the RB Leipzig academy

[@ankanmaiti9864]

Isn't Munich the richest city of Germany and one of the richest in Europe? Probably that's how Bayern wins all the time as their fans are rich as well. Plus Red Bull Salzburg does the same which Bayern does, win all the time.

[@elrodrigo7355]

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[@HerrMeier007]

Mané, Sabitzer and Upemecano: Never realised that RB Salzburg is secretly FC Bayerns Farm Team :D

[@stevestevenson6816]

To answer your question, if red bull bought Man United and then said it was a new club with no history, i would just worry for the safety of red bull's employees and owners

[@Bodyoth]

yeah gotta be honest, i had no idea they were actually called RasenBallsport Leipzig either

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[@FootballIconic]

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[@Kakhsa]

This was a tremendously informative video. Since getting into football seriously, I was quite impressed with Leipzig and their meteoric rise and how Ralf Rangnick built their brand of football from the ground up. However, I had NO CLUE about this context behind them and suddenly the rosy admiration I had for them has been sullied a bit. Very good video my guy. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@jakobjager1734]

Austrian here, to be honest Red Bull is sort of a two edged sword for me: On one hand they improved our national team without a doubt (the majority of national team players have played for RB Salzburg at some point) however in my opinion at least in Austria the negative prevails. As mentioned in the video they have won almost every single league title with Austria Vienna in 2013 , Rapid Vienna in 2008 and Sturm Graz in 2011 being the only exceptions. To be honest, they sort of ruined the league! Even when the other top teams like Rapid, Austria or Sturm had some of their best seasons in years, producing top talents they still hardly managed to even challange RB Salzburg for the title. Especially in recent years RB's dominance has simply become insane. The last time they didn't win a national tournament was in 2018 and that was only the cup which they lost in a narrow 0-1 defeat against Sturm Graz who in that season had their best squad of the last ten years. My point is, yhea sure RB bring some really great players to the game but at the same time they eliminate almost every piece of excitement in the Austrian league and they would be doing the same for Germany if Bayern didn't exist.

[@FootballIconic]

No, u!

[@Jim-so3zm]

I dunno if it would be the same in Germany because teams like Dortmund, Frankfurt and even Freiburg have done well in recent years.

[@dominikjarka4608]

On the other side, myself as an outsider like to watch Salzburg in the Austrian league, I love the way they play. Without Red Bull i would never in my life watch a minute of Austrian league. Plus i think they are doing you a great representation in Europe as well. Everything has 2 sides

[@ofcet]

well if more investors would come in, the competition would elevate both the NT and the league

[@chowzhexiang5169]

Yeah they would win the bundesliga a few times if Bayern don’t exist

[@VanWolf]

I don't think Red Bull is destroying football, I think FIFA and UEFA themselves are

[@uncledolan9228]

Like you mentioned, it's not just black and white. As a German here is my take on RB: The positives first. Like you said RB did revitalize the football industry in the city and also helped eastern Germany to get a foot in the Bundesliga. But apart from that the biggest compliment I can give to RB is how efficiently they use their resources. Like you said their climb in the Bundesliga was a matter of a few years and even in the Bundesliga they managed to become a top 3 club. With Hertha BSC, who also found a big investor some years ago, we saw that money isn't enough sometimes since they didn't manage to improve their success at all despite spending hundreds of millions of Euros. RB has a great talent development and an attractive playing style which, just from a competitive point of view, is a great addition to the league since they give Dortmund a run for their money. But there are also big negative aspects to this. While they do challenge Dortmund, who also rely on talents and offensive football, it doesn't really look like they are going to reach Bayerns level in the near future. Bayern is an established Giant and even more important: very careful how they spend their money (compared to other big clubs like barca or man U). They have many world class players and only hire top coaches. For a talent based team like RB this is hard to reach even if you do a great job. But the most important criticism is of course the cultural aspect. The 50+1 rule has one reason: the people don't want to lose the clubs they identify with. The big tradition clubs in Germany like Dortmund or Frankfurt etc. get their appeal not just from success on the field but their great fan cultures. The atmosphere in the stadiums is fantastic and the so called 'ultras' are important voices inside the ranks. RB may have attracted more fans through their success but they can't be as loved and celebrated as those clubs. Also while I respect RB for their competence you cannot really call it fair what they are doing. They have established a network of clubs that helps them to get an advantage in the transfer market and because of their resources as a billion dollar company their success is inevitable from the start. To see them win the league would be a scandal for many germans and could potentially be the next step in the downfall of european football culture. The problem is that like we see in England, the clubs with the most money will eventually be the ones that come out at the top. And sooner or later other clubs will take an example when they see that it works. This could make European football as a whole more competitive but at the same time the people will no longer be part of the clubs, only outside supporters. I dont know whats better and I respect both sides of this. But somehow im kinda glad that Germany puts so much pride in their fan culture and seeing clubs like frankfurt and dortmund being followed by thousands of fans wherever they go in Europe will always be a proof that football isn't only about winning but also the people.

[@HockeyJokerit]

They also have ice hockey organizations in Salzburg and Munich. Miniature scale compared to football, but they have grown the sport in both countries. Attracting good players and creating facilities that no one else in hockey has so they are also developing local players which evolves the level aswell all the way to the NT programmes.

[@sdeepj]

I wonder if Red Bull would buy a NHL team.

[@rafael16759]

@@sdeepj too expensive, closed league

[@apoloz1]

As an F1 fan and Ferrari Fan yes, I do think RedBull fcks everything

[@btf_flotsam478]

I personally dislike Red Bull as a company ("Gives you kidney stones!" doesn't quite work at marketing), but I'm also concerned about them turning this into something like the eSports scene.

[@antheiheiant]

Here's the thing, I don't care about tradition in football. The future is now. And what Red Bull teams realize that.

[@Bruburinho]

Great video as always, but I have to admit i missed talking about Bragantino, it's a great story on its own from a great club from the past being rescued by Red Bull in the lower divisions of the country, receiving the same backlash for changing it's badge and name, but now is a force to be reckoned with and managed to clinch a spot in this year's Copa Libertadores, just 2 years after being bought (and also, at one point, gave it a run for the Brasileirão Serie A). Anyway, awesome content as always and keep those coming because we LOVE it!

[@FootballIconic]

Great point, I see room for them in their own video!

[@felipeporto5835]

Quem dera tivesse sido resgatado. O bragantino nao existe mais, é só outro red bull mesmo

[@Bruburinho]

@@felipeporto5835 não carrega os títulos do antigo time então?

[@felipeporto5835]

@@Bruburinho nem simbolicamente, impossível olhar pro red bull e achar que carrega legado do Bragantino. do Bragantino só em comum é a cidade mesmo. Todos consideram o Red bull só como red bull, que teve seu melhor resultado até então ir a uma final da sula, etc como vc mesmo mencionou. O clube virou outro, assim como todos os RB do mundo

[@lukemacducci]

@@felipeporto5835 Sem contar que a Red Bull so comprou o Bragantino pra ter vaga direta na Serie B, já que sofreu anos e anos na Serie D sem conseguir subir com o Red Bull Brasil

[@Auronkatamail]

As a football fan, I think RB policy is everything I despise in a sport; in football (expecially here in Europe, but also in other regions) traditions and club history are of capital importance. Cheering for a team just because it's victorious but has no relation with its city or town is awful, you are not cheering for a team at that point, you are cheering for a company. Team's name, symbol, colours should never change once established, because those are the characters who define the connection between present and past. The whole point in cheering a team is about memories, feelings, connections, history. Without those you just have a shitty company making money on your illusions.

[@jasonnchuleft894]

As someone from Leipzig, Germany I can confirm the buyout of SV Makranstädt and rebranding to RB Leipzig was just genius. Why? Simple: Leipzig has always been a mercantile hub and home to an open-minded and progressive people. Founding a club that goes against all established football traditions of the country probably wouldn't have worked anywhere else. Plus Leipzig has historically been known for its trade fairs where manufacturers and merchants from all over came to advertise and sell their goods. Isn't that kind of exactly what Red Bull founded the club for? So yeah fits like a glove. Since we locals are generally pretty open to change we welcomed the move then and have already grown attached to the club by now. Ever since RB has established itself in the top-flight we had a lot more international visitors. Visitors who spend locally and after they're gone might spread the word about our beautiful city. What more can you ask of a foreign investment really? As for the football. The team has a nice balance on and off the pitch and their play style is both nice to look at and has a solid yet flexible tactical foundation. The club's local youth development efforts are starting to bear fruit too so even the future looks bright. Attendance is high for every game (where fans are allowed on the stands) and since it's mostly newer fans the local ultras come without the hooligan baggage a lot of the more established sides in Germany never quite managed to shake. Maybe that's just the Leipziger mentality speaking but I never quite understood in the first place why to so many people tradition seems to be far more important than the football itself.

[@MademoiselleRed1390]

I think it's because of the sense of belonging. You want others to respect what you love, if they can just walk all over it and change it to their liking, is it even the same thing anymore? You claim people value the traditions more than the football itself but it's not like these companies are doing this for the love of the game either but for profit.

[@jasonnchuleft894]

@@MademoiselleRed1390 I agree tradition is important in a way. But we live at a time when football is won mostly by checkbook size. The probability of a new club without capital working its way up to the top flight is absolutely non-existent. So what's the alternative? Only established traditional clubs are allowed to play at a high level? Even if at some point they have to betray their values anyway to even have a chance at a fair competition? The difference between Man City, Paris, Barcelona and Leipzig is that the latter even though it has a big backer doesn't spend willy-nilly and tries to operate on a sensible budget. Meanwhile the former "traditional" clubs are throwing cash around like its nobody's business. Is that really preferable just because their brand is a few decades older?

[@antheiheiant]

Red Bull Clubs play some of the most exciting football out there. I love watching them, especially Red Bull Salzburg. Their academies are second to none and the kind of opportunities they provide for underprivileged kids with a dream are incredible. Tradition is nice and all, but if it ties us down and keeps us from advancing, I'll take a Red Bull club any day.

[@daanishdan318]

What I like about the teams is that they all play expansive attacking football with a lot of young and exciting players.

[@busyBaldurus]

Bundesliga Fan here and I cannot stress enough how much I and the majority of german fans despise Red Bulls involvement in football. I've recently been to Leipzig and every person I spoke to was in big disapproval of Red Bull. Most people I spoke to were supporters of Chemie Leipzig, an actual Leipzig football club with history and a healthy fan base. Also looking back at the recent Europa League season (I'm a Frankfurt supporter), I was just so relieved to have Rangers as our finals opponent just because I was happy that even if we lost the finals, the victory for the opponents would actually mean something to them. Because that is the huge problem here. RB Supporters are just "eventies" as we call them here. People who don't give a shit about the club or any other aspect except the Bundesliga Football. And that is just utterly antithetical to football culture here in Germany. Another aspect is the recent Cup final which RB won unfortunately. SC Freiburg, who are located at the complete opposite side of the country from berlin brought 40.000 Fans to the Olympiastadion, while RB only brought about 10k, even though Leipzig is just a one and a half hour drive away from Berlin. And Freiburg is a club that has only played mid table or second bundesliga football for ages. There just isn't any emotion behind RB's involvement except the contempt felt by other football fans for them. And recently they have only been a haven for people who like playing the victims, kind of becoming a weird cult of sorts instead of a football club. Like as if they are reveling in the negativity brought against RB. And then there's the obvious problem which is the competition in the Bundesliga. RB always tries to pretend that they are a well run club but that couldn't be further from the truth, as recently as 2020 they got a (for Bundesliga standarts) gigantic funds injection which was worth over 200 Million Euros. All the while other Bundesliga Clubs which were struggling with the impact of the pandemic have had to cut corners absolutely everywhere. For example Eintracht Frankfurt had to sell their top striker André Silva because of financial troubles and, of course, Leipzig picked him up after offering him about triple the salary Frankfurt could have paid him. Unfortunately these kind of terrible influences on competition in the Bundesliga are common nowadays with clubs like Wolfsburg, Leverkusen and Hoffenheim not even having to care about their financial stability, since their owners/investors just simply pay for all the loss they make at the end of the fiscal year. There has never been a case where a club with that kind of financial backing being relegated and it's not hard to see why. And concerning the arguments made in the video, how can you be so sure that players like mané or haaland wouldn't have been able to have their chance in european football without RB? Is there some kind of magic sauce they have that makes them so much better than any other club? Not at all honestly. The thing they do is offer talent like that huge salaries that other "development clubs" simply can't compete with. Players like that would have OF COURSE been able to get their breakthrough into european top football without RB. It just would have happened at a different club. I'm honestly sick of hearing these terrible arguments in media, constructing the myth that these clubs are "so well run" or that "they enrich the football in their respective regions". No they do not. They are not just a net negative on foorball but they are just a negative in every aspect. Sorry for ranting but I'm just so sick of it...

[@tobiasschulz8690]

what people seem to forget very often is that Leipzig isn't buying players for huge sums like PSG or ManCity but rather nurture young talent and even selling them most of the times.

[@lordoflocks8811]

Wow, they buy talents for huge sums...

[@davaidavai2k24]

I called it first: Red Bull to NBA - confirmed CHICAGO RED BULLS

[@jamesvonderhaar2553]

One thing I think this misses is just how woeful the Metrostars were before Red Bull bought them. They have the worst combined regular season record of any of the inaugural 10 MLS teams. Up until Red Bull bought them, they were the only of the inaugural 10 clubs to never have won a major trophy. They've missed the playoffs more times than any other MLS club. It might not be raining MLS Cups or CCL trophies for RBNY, but they're now consistently a playoff team, play an entertaining and unique brand of soccer, and finally have a kind of major trophy. They've shown they're willing to spend to get results with Henry and Marquez, they guilt what's probably still the best stadium in MLS, and they're on good terms with the supporters. The league nearly folded just 5 years before RBNY was rebranded, and at one point was down to just 3 owners for 12 teams; when they bought the Metrostars, owners with deep pockets and a commitment to the future of soccer in America were hard to come by. In my opinion, Red Bull's buying of the Metrostars was the thing that finally showed we were past the contraction era and the time period where the league's survival was in doubt. As a fan of the league, I think they're responsible stakeholders and have generally done right by both their fans individually and by US Soccer as a whole.

[@lolman533]

as a Polish person I'd honestly love to see any of our clubs be even half as successful as Lepizig...

[@_Aikko_]

So I'm from Greece and I'm a panathinaikos fan and we were a quite known club to European football and basketball so if rb came in took over and said we are a new club with no history all the fans would be pissed off way too much. The thing is I would love to have a sponsor with money and potential to make the club great again but I wouldn't accept a complete takeover

[@m.j.n.808]

I'm an new American fan of the Columbus Crew SC and have always been a Hockey fan. Personally if my Hockey team, Toronto Maple Leafs, got bought out by a company, changed their name and colors, and ignored the teams 100+ year history I would be beyond outraged. Sports aren't for marketing, that's one of the many reasons I don't watch my country's main sport (American Football)

[@xdPeter]

As a Spurs fan it is simply impossible to imagine. The history we have won't just vanish and ultras would probably wreak havoc, combined with being a "big 6 club" and the financial aspects associated with that, a takeover seems questionable. For a small countryside lower league team though, it could be a saving grace

[@secondmover7546]

I agree as an ac milan fan, we cant rebrand teams with as much history and iconicness as some teams do but if its a team that needs help and has never been goof then i would be fine.

[@amey_852]

Who said Spurs are a big club 🤣🤣🤣🤣 ? Nice Joke 🤣👍

[@dinohermann1887]

@@amey_852Spurs are big, just not massive like Arsenal, Chelsea or Man United. They‘re more comparable to Leeds, Sunderland or Ipswich.

[@Sempuukyaku]

American here. I'm not a fan of them, but Red Bull New York so far has been a total failure when you compare them to RB Leipzig and Salzburg. Yes they've won Supporters Shields, but here in MLS...the ultimate prize is MLS Cup, and they have STILL failed to capture that since Red Bull took over. To add insult to injury, New York City FC....Red Bull's crosstown rival, just won MLS Cup in 2021 and are the current defending champions. They managed to do in 6 years what Red Bull New York has failed to do in 15. In the New York metro area, Red Bull are completely irrelevant whereas NYCFC are recognized and at least get some press.

[@tims7988]

To a person outside of germany who only cares about the title race of the 1. Bundesliga this might sound like an honest and likeable approach, but they basically outspend every Club from the 5th german division on to every Club behind them now, so just because they do not go All the way it does not mean it is fair at all. For example they outpayed Werder Bremen one of the biggest Clubs in germany for Davie Selke in 2015, where he went from a solid 1st division Team to a newly promoted 2nd division side with no Fans or soul. Or they signed Poulsen for 3 million while playing in the 3. Liga which is more than three Times what has been spend by a Club in the league before. The apperently positive aspect about them giving people in east germany quality football and representing them in the Bundesliga is a complete myth. First of All before they started in 2009 they tried to buy into Fortuna Düsseldorf (west germany) and 1860 München (south germany) but got rejected, which shows that they did not do this to for the people of east germany, who also probably despise RB more than everybody else because it does not represent east germany. East german clubs like Sg Dynamo Dresden, 1.FC Magdeburg, Hansa Rostock, Lokomotive Leipzig, Chemie Leipzig etc.and nowadays Union Berlin are despite not competing with the biggest are well respected for their big Fan Power and status in all of germany. For example Dynamo Dresden took 35000 people to a midweek away game 200 km away (which is only 1 example) so it is not like the region lacks passion for football. But I guess because this World of german football does not get into the eye of International audience, RB Almost seems like the New, fresh, energetic (literally) underdog from east germany, they fit the narrative of a likable underdog fighting with the big boys in germany. If you love football you hate RB!

[@xuanwang300]

Leipzig getting Selke was nothing when you consider a relegating team like BURNLEY can snatch Weghorst for a ridiculously cheap price, or mid-table Aston Villa outbidding Leverkusen for Buendia. Instead of letting teams like Leipzig, Leverkusen, Wolfsburg and Hoffenheim release their potential to become Chelsea or Man City of Bundesliga you guys just kill them of their chances to succeed and stuck with the stagnant model where Bayern always win and Dortmund sabotaging other teams to stay in second. No wonder Bundesliga is not on the same level as the premier league or even La Liga Santander.

[@manuelcheeser8935]

Well RB Salzburg is my hometown club and what you wanna hear, they made football super approachable in Austria, specially in Salzburg. Where we usually had no chance international, let alone a team to cheer on, we have now some of the best youngstars in Austria. Which by the way also made Austria attractive for young players outside of Salzburg. On top of that, they made a visit in the arena super approachable, with your ticket, which is super cheap by the way, you are also getting a ride (public transfer) to the arena and home, for ~15€. And jeah, most people in Austria respect Red Bull for what they did, but pretty much everyone still hates the club.

[@joshdunne8792]

I would inject Red Bull into my veins to get rid of the Glazer family and support Red Bull Manchester United

[@ashb7]

GGRBMU

[@joshdunne8792]

@@ashb7 😂😂 Pogba drinking a can of Red Bull as they anounce his 500k a week contract

[@vlz.matthew]

nobody can save that sinking ship. The ship already sank. You can't save it

[@joshdunne8792]

@@vlz.matthew I don't want the truth. I want to be lied to. Give me hope 😂

[@Krooon]

As an Austrian, I fucking hate this company with all my heart. They made the league boring since they have like more budget then the rest of the league combined. it's not fair

[@lucasduque8289]

Historically it is normal for companies to own football clubs, have their names on them and such. What rubs me wrong is the erasure of the clubs history. Also the fact that they own a lot of clubs and all of them have the same logo and name, just changing location, feels like these real clubs with real history have become McClubs... that does feel wrong.

[@Krishnakumar-wl7ih]

Won't be long before we come across something like Red Bull San Marino.... And suddenly San Marino defeats wins Euro or World Cup..

[@msizisithole6748]

“Big man, this is a football channel. What are you going on about” Fucking brilliant! 🤣

[@micha0585]

AEK Athens fan here. If Red Bull bought our club, Matteschitz wouldn't see the next day. Same applies for all Greek teams.

[@unclebobby]

Letssssss goo Congratulations to you and your first sponsorship onto 100K

[@FootballIconic]

Eyyyy!!

[@mattjames5800]

As a West Brom fan I’d be furious if rb took us over and changed everything about the club and disregarded our history

[@liammartin6636]

This did happen to my club, but I was 12 years old when it happened. I remember going to school one morning and my friend telling me that Red Bull bought the Metrostars and were changing the name. We all thought it was weird, but we were too young to understand the greater context of everything, so we got used to it pretty quickly. A lot of fans here still aren't thrilled about the change of name and identity, but for what it's worth, Red Bull has pretty much completely walked back the idea that there was no history prior to the name change in 2006, and the colors red and white have been used by the team since 1996 anyway. I think that American sports fans are used to team owners being rich assholes who have straightup contempt for the average fan (read a little bit about the history of major league baseball and you'll learn that baseball owners are some of the worst people in the world), so if our team is owned by an American billionaire or an Austrian billionaire, what's the difference?

[@markmeloni2388]

The Metro Stars has only been a Franchise

[@liammartin6636]

@@markmeloni2388 That's just the reality of American sports

[@cambag77]

One of your best videos yet. Excellently researched, put together and explained. I like how you consider views from both sides and state your opinion, acknowledging the many grey areas and your lack of emotional ties to the culture it impacts. And most importantly (for me) the humour. (12:33, Very funny, dude)

[@FootballDrawn]

I just recently made a video on why RB Leipzig are hated as well. Really looking forward to watch this one. Keep the hard work, my guy ⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽⚽

[@moumenrezaei1330]

Watched it some time ago. Brilliant as always🔥

[@wilfordcolbert1333]

Love your content mate

[@sbtgamil5536]

Such an underrated channel. Keep it up dude ♥️♥️♥️

[@FootballIconic]

Cheers, I'll give it a watch!

[@cr1mzn_]

Man should have got more views, cheers lad, keep it up

[@ratnamandal8999]

Redbull isn't destroying football , redbull is just buying football.

[@tbppuglia]

So, no comment on Bragantino?

[@Fifa_Cups_On_YT]

Fun Fact: RB Lripzig isn't an Red Bull sponsor anymore. The niw called "Rasen Ballsport" Leipzig

[@mikexstad1121]

As a Bundesliga fan, I am ok with them doing this. It was an irrelevant 5th tier club. It's not comparable to just buying a top tier club and ripping the soul and history out of it (... ManU). I support 50+1 and wouldnt want a club like hannover or schalke to be run like an English club.

[@rogerdieterle1101]

As a Red Bull New York fan (and about a 15 minute drive to the stadium) I wouldn't say out Shields are "meaningless" but that they don't hold as much value as an MLS Cup. The Supporters Shield is equivalent to winning the league in any other country, the MLS Cup is just an Americanized-tournament to "win the league". I also do wish the RBNY was treated the same as Salzburg and was pushed as a league winning side every year, but it seems as we are the feeder program for the other RB teams. Although the past 4 or so years have not been the best, things are looking up now, we finally have a manager who is installing the red bull-esc football we have all been waiting for the past 3-4 years. And I will gladly purchase and sip my Red Bull while watching my boys play any day of the week! Thanks for a great video!

[@MrReese]

I am from Austria and I have been watching football for 25 years. Red Bull is generally not liked around here because they made our own Bundesliga very very boring as they have about 10x the budget compared to the usually good teams in our league. But it is undeniable that RB made very good use of their money (there are MANY examples in EU football where a lot of money didn't do jack - just look at Hertha Berlin, for example) and brought Austrian football more success.

[@k.6094]

Sorry to hear this mate , I don't know how bad the situation is that side but please educate me ... Isn't it like how it is in Germany when Bayern win the league year in year out ? Their budget compared to other clubs is crazy... I get Dortmund could keep up if they wanted to but they are a selling club .

[@MrReese]

@@k.6094 The gap in the Austrian Bundesliga is much much bigger. Dortmund are not a selling club by their own choosing, players leave eventually to join the biggest of clubs in Europe. Dortmund wants to keep their best players. The reason why Bayern win every year is because the other clubs do not capitalize on Bayern's slip-ups, which there are many. At one point a few years ago Dortmund was 9 points ahead of bayern halfway through the season but they messed it up, as usual. Consistency is the problem there.

[@AshifKhan-fz6oh]

@@MrReese broo dortmund is the Everton of Bundesliga

[@MrReese]

@@AshifKhan-fz6oh Not even close. Dortmund is by far the second best team of the Bundesliga with also the second most amount of money and the second most expensive squad. None of that is even remotely true of Everton.

[@AshifKhan-fz6oh]

@@MrReese dude the way they bottle everytime, the way they sell their best players to direct rival that kills the competition immediately

[@nf9563]

No where, absolutely NO WHERE NEAR AS BAD as City football group

[@pbh81]

Well the one thing positive you can say about rb Leipzig is they used a different strategy to other newly moneyed clubs. They never spend huge transfer fees perfering instead to buy in and develop young talents for their rise through the leagues. For the bundesliga I don't mind the rise of leizpig. No one else is giving Munich much of a challenge. And while Munich plays by the 50 plus 1 rule they have huge corporate partners with ownership stake. Finally they is a desire amongst the old East Germany region for a club to rise up and compete with the west especially as the Western clubs took the best players away after unification and the east German league was only given 2 teams to play in the top league

[@micahkiyimba8641]

I agree. The way Lepizig have gone about things is better than Entire Countries buying football clubs and spending ridiculous cash in the market.

[@tims7988]

To a person outside of germany who only cares about the title race of the 1. Bundesliga this might sound like an honest and likeable approach, but they basically outspend every Club from the 5th german division on to every Club behind them now, so just because they do not go All the way it does not mean it is fair at all. For example they outpayed Werder Bremen one of the biggest Clubs in germany for Davie Selke in 2015, where he went from a solid 1st division Team to a newly promoted 2nd division side with no Fans or soul. Or they signed Poulsen for 3 million while playing in the 3. Liga which is more than three Times what has been spend by a Club in the league before. The apperently positive aspect about them giving people in east germany quality football and representing them in the Bundesliga is a complete myth. First of All before they started in 2009 they tried to buy into Fortuna Düsseldorf (west germany) and 1860 München (south germany) but got rejected, which shows that they did not do this to for the people of east germany, who also probably despise RB more than everybody else because it does not represent east germany. East german clubs like Sg Dynamo Dresden, 1.FC Magdeburg, Hansa Rostock, Lokomotive Leipzig, Chemie Leipzig etc.and nowadays Union Berlin are despite not competing with the biggest are well respected for their big Fan Power and status in all of germany. For example Dynamo Dresden took 35000 people to a midweek away game 200 km away (which is only 1 example) so it is not like the region lacks passion for football. But I guess because this World of german football does not get into the eye of International audience, RB Almost seems like the New, fresh, energetic (literally) underdog from east germany, they fit the narrative of a likable underdog fighting with the big boys in germany. If you love football you hate RB!

[@pbh81]

@@tims7988 I not going to argue or disagree with you. If I had more time I would watch more German football as it has every ingredient to be a serious competitor for global audiences with the English Premiership. But I still can't find myself disliking rb Leipzig. The main reason is I have followed football since the early 90's. In that time I have watch seen TV money from uefa destroy competition in nearly all the leagues. Turning all the leagues into 1 or 2 horse races. It's why I don't find myself disliking Newcastle, Chelsea or man City. Sure they spend stupid money but they make the league more competitive. And the sad reality is now the big clubs are so fixed in place they others like Newcastle/ man City have to pay a premium to challenge them. How do you feel about hoffiniem? Do you think it critics are fair? That region of Germany seems happy with the investment. I don't see a problem with outside investment shaking things up especially if the clubs with history and tradition like kaiserslautern, schalke and Bremen are being run like a mess and have dug themselves into debt

[@tims7988]

@@pbh81 I agree with the fact that football has already lost the battle against commercialization and I understand that if football is lost that it then might atleast be competitive. As a german it is just that you are confronted with RB every week even though I ignore them as much as I can apart from the 2 times a year we play them. To me it just feels wrong seeing a so called german football club (even though austrian franchise would be the more accurate term) instead of a historic and interesting Club. And while one reason for the downfall of the Clubs you said is their bad management it certainly does not help that there are such financially backed clubs who are somehow a legal exveption to the 50+1 rule that take up a place in the 1. Division (clubs like that are RB, VfL Wolfsburg, Bayer Leverkusen and like you said Tsg Hoffenheim). Another point about the RB story is that I get the feeling that not only internationally but also in germany people start to accept RB and Treat them as a normal football club and call them Leipzig which I just cannot call them because it clearly doesn't represent Leipzig. About the Premier League I can just say that I sometimes watch a few games and I feel like I am entering a new football World in which only what happens on the Pitch counts and not what you represent as a Club. This also has his own beauty for me because I am not emotionally Involved and can just watch the best players managed by the best coaches but there is also one side in my head that thinks about how the Fans are treated with all the high ticket prices which affects the atmosphere negatively which for me is an important part of the game. I just dont want my league to go down a similar road and trying to Catch up with the pl in a race that we even without 50+1 realistically cannot win. You also mentioned Hoffenheim who I despite aswell especially because I support bvb and their owner Dietmar Hopp set up Hidden cameras in the away block to ban our Fans who protested against his Actions. But they are a little different than Leipzig as they actually have a little bit of a local connection because Dietmar Hopp is from there and are just his self build (financially) fifa career mode club while RB actually are 11 man, football playing/destroying advertisement for a drink. The Danger in the bigger picture of these clubs mor my league is that they increased their commercial element. At first it were Wolfsburg and Bayer, who were a conpany club of Bayer and VW, which supported them financially which Was a completely New thing back than. Then about 15 years ago Hoffenheim came and took this financial backing to a conpletely New Level and had a Single Person behind them who gained more and more Power also in german football organisations. There also was a scandal about him whem he repeatedly got called son of a bitch by all the big Fan scenes in germany and the league stopped a game because of that, while it never happened because of racist abuse before. Hopp is also actively going against ultras, who for me are the dna of a Club and the most important voices against more and more commercialization, so it is dangerous if someone like that gains to much Power. And then, the until now, final and worst Level of these clubs came with RB who just are a soulless, unhonest and dirty advertisement. It is very worrying that these clubs always reach a new Level and who is to say that RB will be the last. For me the biggest problem of the Bundesliga is not that Bayern win it every year (which is also not great and boring don't get me wrong) but rather that the league loses its identity, history and soul and because of that enjoyment with clubs like RB. Nowadays there are only 2-3 interesting games apart from bvb for me, because I just cannot enjoy watching such boring clubs who don't have a history with bad atmosphere and empty seates everywhere and just feel wrong and unemotional, no matter how well they play or how well they are run or that because of them we may have a ucl semi final team from the Bundesliga apart from Bayern.

[@tims7988]

And also neither Hoffenheim nor RB have really made the league competitive yet. In that sense it would also be helpful to have a Club like HSV, Bremen or Kaiserslautern in around the ucl spots because unlike RB and Hoffenheim they actually have pressure to succeed because of the Fans, Media attention and history, which RB and Hoffenheim obviously do not have like that. They are just where they are and say: We are a young Club, this is new for us and we cant expect to go all the way already. Meanwhile the Fans at Werder Bremen or the Media would be talking about their past success and create Ambition to do another 2003/04. So I think in Bundesliga these clubs do not even really give competitiveness.

[@crayyonnyadrav4055]

I come from Salzburg and worked some time in a kinda fast food restaurant. And the nicest thing I was getting sometimes was the fans of the other clubs in european football (like Lazio, Marseille, Ajax Amsterdam and others) and get to chat with these guys for a bit. Also now living in a city that can regularly play champions league is also nice.

[@lilbeast1029]

Football is already destroyed by many people who put money in their team like in Newcastle now red bull did not create a super team just a team with a little higher budget

[@2nachder4]

Your right but the Fakt that this comes frome a Barca fan is ridiculous look at your club even if Barca is one of important clubs in football they just buying and buying and then giving them a sh.. tone of money. RBL has changed the BL for good yes how they did it is not good but they finally changed something in the BL the BL was boring. They where just tow big clubs Bayern and Dortmund and probably Leverkusen but nothing more now the 2 to 6 places are very mutch a close call each time and that's good.

[@lilbeast1029]

@@2nachder4 I do not support barca I just have it as an icon i have the same opinion for barca as well and for all those big clubs who spent money for players. I just believe that football should be played from players from the youth camps

[@2nachder4]

@@lilbeast1029 OK then I'm sorry have a nice day or night of you live in Europe

[@MRawesom100]

sometimes i forget that your channel is below 100k subs cause your content is of a high-end yt channel,you deserve every support keep up the good work man 🔥

[@MHF786]

Oof, that intro song gave me a truckload of nostalgia. Damn.

[@FootballIconic]

Same bro!

[@myst4608]

Look at my boy getting ads... Football Iconic taking over tears in my eyes...

[@pax1913]

9:10 tough to say as everyone in my family has always been a fan of an already "big" club who will likely not undergo changes like this, but being the way I am, I don't think I'd be opposed to it. Call me a fake fan, talk about losing identity or whatever. If I felt they're taking my club to the next level I'd probably be happy about it.

[@chinortega3]

Facts

[@hasanzain6340]

It won't remain "your" club anyway.

[@scorest8601]

RB Barcelona, RB Madrid, with the RedBull logo, ew, I can't imagine that!

[@pax1913]

@@scorest8601 as a barça fan this just made me think, there's an alternate universe in which Bartomeu destroyed Barça economically so bad they had to become a private company and were bought by Red Bull. Weird for sure.

[@scorest8601]

@@pax1913 🥲

[@matejpene788]

Man love your videos the chill vibe, interesting stories, amazing dellivery, keep it up. It allways makes me happy when i see new Football Iconic video on my home page.

[@DavideMenezes42]

There's a very good video by Athletic Interest (another great channel) about the corporative approach of Red Bull on various sports, do recommend. Also, as a brazilian, the RB Bragantino situation is very controversial. Bragantino was a quite traditional club in the state of São Paulo, but never achieved national success, the only silverware in the club's history are regional cups. However, since the takeover, they have reached the finals of Copa Sulamericana (2nd tier continental cup) and qualified to the Libertadores this season. This polarizes the fans, though, cause the club barely has any identity left. It's quite hard to give an objective answer.

[@FootballIconic]

Cheers for the response. Yeah it's all very divisive. Really can argue for both sides

[@rodolfo9876a]

Damn, I didn't even know about this related to the Bragantino, kind of sad.

[@Noblepeanut]

Nah Leipzig add nothing to the Bundesliga. You’ll struggle to find fans of the league support their dominance, them being so successful only makes them more hated. As a Dortmund fan I’d rather Bayern and Schalke win the league for the next 50 years than to see Leipzig win it once. If this was the prem or la liga, it wouldn’t be much of a deal, as those things are already run by corporate shills. But the bundesliga is special BECAUSE its so fan-centric, so Leipzig in essence is anti-bundesliga.

[@kshitijmahajan4335]

patiently waiting for barca rebuild content

[@yannick7038]

I think I can talk about RB Leipzig relatively well myself, because I come from Leipzig myself. 14:41 It looks like RB has revived football in Leipzig, but that is wrong in most cases. Most people who are RB Leipzig fans these days, or at least call themselves RB Leipzig fans, were football fans before 2009. Most of those who go to RB Leipzig used to go to Lok Leipzig, BSG Chemie Leipzig or Roter Stern Leipzig, or watched football on TV. I would say that 90% of RB fans only switched to RB, because on the one hand it is of course much better football than, for example, Lok Leipzig/BSG Chemie Leipzig, who play in the 4th division, and on the other hand it is also much safer. In East Germany, and especially in Leipzig at Lok Leipzig and Chemie, there are a lot of problems with ultras and hooligans in the stadium. It is and was not uncommon for violence to appear in the stadium there, which is why RB Leipzig is significantly safer than, for example, Lok or Chemie. This was also clearly noticeable from the fact that from 2009 and the following years the number of viewers of Chemie and Lok continued to decrease, which means that many of the fans have switched to RB. To explain the whole thing briefly and concisely for people who either do not come from Germany/Leipzig or have nothing to do with football, I always say: "RB Leipzig fans are not fans of football as a sport. They only see football as entertainment and not as a passion."

[@Torsteinsson]

Hm interesting view, and I respected it. In my opinion however I think ur more a fan of football if u view it for the entertainment of good players, playing beautiful football, and not just blindly supporting teams because of tradition. In my opinion people who support teams because of tradition is not like a fan of football in general but they support their family club or local club with passion. I dont think thats wrong Im very happy that people do it cause I think it creates a better atmosphere at games, although sometimes it becomes to much and too aggressiv. I however enjoy teams playing beatuiful, and that have a good philosophy, and big focus on development. Cause I enjoy that part. But like back to my point I think that is more of a football fan like general, meanwhile those passionate for one club is like well yeah passionate about that club and doesnt care if their club focuses on developing players or having good systems or playing beatuiful entertaining football as they will be there whatever.

[@Anonymous.N13]

Yes, Red Bull does create employment. But, so do sweatshops. 🤷‍♂

[@rmi_96]

As a supporter and season ticket holder of Austrian Bundesliga side SV Ried I have to admit that the quality of Austrian football has improved drastically over the past decade. For a lot of that success you have to give credits to RB who year on year manage to develop insanely talented players. Even though half of their team changes every season they are still able to win the league with ease and do well in European competition. Salzburg has taken the Austrian league to a new level. However, that doesn't mean that I like what they did to fan culture. The worst thing happened when they played their first home game in the Red Bull era in 2005. The ref had to pause the game cause the stadium announcer was in fact commentating the game on the stadium microphones. I've never heard anything like that ever again. The same season, fans of Austria Salzburg went to an away game of RB to Ried and they were cheering for the home team. That shows how much the disrespect hurt the people who had supported the club for years. After a couple years, RB (when Rangnick got installed as sports chef) changed their philosophy to how it is today. A lot of people's opinion has changed for the better since then. Nevertheless, there is still rivalry to that construct that RB is and I can't imagine any change in the near future.

[@ronalddelrosario7405]

Not a fan of Red Bull. They're just another corporate overlord only concerned with making money. The fact that their corporate engine does some good is incidental, though as you said something to consider. But dude, love your videos! As someone who still lacks footballing knowledge, your videos are very informative!

[@wosh253]

Bayer Leverkusen is owned by the pharmaceutical company Bayer AG, why doesn't anyone have a problem with that?

[@TheLion377]

Chelsea, PSG, and City are ruining Football. Not these guys...

[@matthiasw8777]

I support Union Berlin and have pondered about my Issues with Leipzig, as my Club Stands against everything that RP Leipzig is. I have also wondered if I would accept a takeover of Union like that of Leipzig. My issue isn't that they're in the top flight or that they're having success. Its how they did it. They broke 50+1, they're promoting a Brand, not Football or Leipzig. They're a danger to german football. There is the justification that this happens in other leagues like City, Chelsea or PSG but thats exactly why we have 50+1, to prevent this. So I could never Accept a takeover like that, no matter how many troophies would be won.

[@samuelyee4017]

Union berlin are impressive despite they have limited budget for player recruitment. They let go of Marvin Friedrich for 5.5 million euros, and i think they are raising fund for signing other underrated player who can fill the vacant of Marvin Friedrich

[@beatrizfernandes1506]

also, man city, chelsea and psg didn't change their names, their logos, nor their colors after being bought. they were the same club with more money, and were more or less successful depending on how they spent their money, how they developed their squad and their game

[@Kalenderz35]

Junge are you serious?!

[@Kalenderz35]

Bayern, using the power of their money, took key players from other German teams over the years and killed those teams performance. The whole world refers to the Bundesliga as a farm league where the same team wins every year. Bayern is the biggest enemy for german football not Leipzig. Before RB bought the team from Leipzig, the world did not even know about such a team. RB Leipzig represent the City of Leipzig and Red Bull (not just Red Bull). And Kind remind to you RB Leipzig's Home is in Leipzig and not the Red Bull HQ.

[@CrimsonKobaNakirigumi]

@@Kalenderz35 Oh so Bayern using the power of their money bought German players and killed those team's chances??? Well, tell me what Leipzig did? Only one player of their first BuLi squad was from their academy. And I'd say it's more evil to rip the chances of teams dreaming to get promoted with fanbases built upon decades than doing it against other millionaire institutions like Bundesliga teams. You know what Bayern also did with the power of their money? Help teams in the Regionalliga economically before and after the pandemic. That's money from their fans, and it's impressive that they built this football emporium by following the rules. The real cancer in German football are teams like Leipzig or Hoffenheim whose entire foundation was made by breaking those same rules and fucking up other teams. No offense to their fans but they probably were Lokomotive or Chemie fans before RB came, now those teams are stuck in 4th tier lacking funding, why must the system be unfair to those teams just because some corporation wanted to have a team in 1st tier? Being in the lower leagues is hard for many teams, and watching soulless teams funded by some millionaires fuck years of work and effort just because they can is sickening and it doesn't help our league grow. I'd take a decade of Bayern winning trophies over Leipzig or Hoffenheim winning one idc.

[@inkarnator7717]

As a German Bundesliga fan, I think there is no harm in having one team like RB Leipzig as the odd one out. I don't see them as the destroyers of traditional football, because they are harmonizing alongside the traditional football clubs. All other teams still exist and are still competetive. In fact, many traditional clubs are benefitting from Red Bull because they are signing the players that have been raised by them. I rather see them as some sort of antithesis to traditional football clubs, which is absolutely fine. However this would be a different story if brands were to take over the Bundesliga, but I don't see that coming at the moment.

[@LancePuns]

I find the model they've created as a track from US to Austria to Germany fascinating. It's very similar to American sport leagues where there's the lower league that young players can play against closer to level opposition to develop a bit more before making the jump to the big league. That said, I'd hate to be in their Public Relations division because the way the company handles it's fanbases is really poor from what I've seen while living in New England (rivals of the mentioned NYRB). If they can do better with PR and continue/begin to more consistently develop young talent, then I think they'll become more accepted over time.

[@bryand8829]

RB New York doesn't get any big signings, is mostly non-competitive, and given their market, have awful attendance. Not great.

[@unitrioz6418]

Ur channel is underrated asf

[@FootballIconic]

No, u

[@riverofblood4362]

I’d rather play in 3rd division and have an identity than be on the UCL but be an ad of 33 players.

[@TheRadPlayer]

My main issue with Red Bull as an entity in Football is less that they're a giant corporation investing money, and more that they completely sanitize the clubs they take over, remake them as an empty marketing vessel, all in order to sell more overpriced cans of antisleep juice.

[@ohxishxitsxdavid]

I’m in Los Angeles, and we’ve seen something similar where Steve Ballmer bought the ever-moribund Clippers and became the wealthiest owner in professional sports. He’s turned them into an actual contender and is making some inroads with the next generation of NBA fans by donating to local schools and playgrounds so kids grow up seeing the Clippers brand as something other than the joke it’s been most its entire existence. They’ll never take over LA because this will always be a Lakers city, but Ballmer has changed everything about the Clippers. They’re even moving into a new arena in Inglewood next to SoFi Stadium soon.

[@SlimShady_1]

Leipzig has a difficult stand here in Germany but you have to give them a lot of credit what they have achieved. They just recently one the DFB Cup and played a huge role in CL and the BL. In my opinion they do have the right to play to play in the BL without any prejudices because they do play very good football. I hope they get more appreciation in the future

[@bqrd_1913]

I'm pretty sure RedBull's actions in sports would be so much more acceptable where teams are nothing more than franchises or brands

[@TK_Brainslug]

As a German I must say Redbull does a great job with RB Leipzig. At first I thought shit they found a way around the 50+1 rule and football is doomed here in germany. But as of today everything looks fine so far. I mean they are not trying to drain the club off it's money or something they just want to sell more cans.

[@iamaheretic7829]

And its not like their money comes from some terrible source with human rights violations either.

[@micahkiyimba8641]

I agree. Red Bull don't spend ridiculous money or anything like that, they seem to be in football to promote a Company brand...not to break the game like Some Billionaire owners

[@tims7988]

@@iamaheretic7829 this might be true bit the founder Dietrich Mateschitz has a racist national Attitude and in private supports right wing amish communities in Austria and germany

[@kendomyers]

Since I used to go and watch the NY Red Bulls when I lived in North Jersey (where their stadium is located) I have no qualms with RB buying a team in Germany.

[@iirovaltonen4258]

Red Bull is a genius company. They may be bad for football but they do so many things right. They have a really good logo design and know how to do visuals. The Red Bull logo is, in my opinion, extremely satisfying to look at.

[@secondmover7546]

Same but I don't want 12 identical teams lol

[@sjsjsjsjsbagahlwmdbxhamansksms]

As a german football fan I have to wholeheartedly disagree. Red Bull has had a profoundly negative effect on football in this country. I don't think RB could ever become serious competition to Bayern Munich since they have proven time and time again that they will just buy their competitors most valuable assets be it players or even managers. The only thing RB has achieved in Germany is to steal a spot in the first division from a real member owned club. I also don't buy the argument that they created jobs since they definitely also cost people that were previously employed by the teams that RB replaced their jobs. All around the Bundesliga is a worse league for fans since it's yet another team without a proper fan-culture. Nobody is passionate to see games such as Augsburg vs RB in the Bundesliga and it is damaging the appeal of the league as a whole.

[@vlada]

Yes, its damaging to see a well managed club produce young talent and play interesting football. Who needs to be entertained when you can virtue signal being offended at this impurity. Conformism is conforting and warm.

[@sjsjsjsjsbagahlwmdbxhamansksms]

@@vlada Ah yes the famously interesting football played by RB, Wolfsburg and Hoffenheim. Those are the teams that draw huge crowds right? Those are the teams with passionate supporters right? Football, especially german football, is not just a public relations scheme for the uber-rich.

[@lordoflocks8811]

@@vlada The buy talents for huge sums and by taking a spot in the bundesliga they make it more difficult for teams which actually earned their spots to survive...

[@uszkera]

Well it eventually happened in my Country with Redbull Bragantino honestly I had the same opinion as you I didn't know how to feel about them but when they destroyed a historical club like Bragantino that had a rich history for example it was the first club of Vanderlei Luxemburgo a Manager who went on to manage even Real Madrid many players that are icons of my team came from Bragantino the likes of Paulinho the one that played for Barça ,Ralf and Romarinho just to name a few

[@robertoflores9080]

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[@lonely_adolescent2715]

As a neutral fan outside of Germany, I've found RB Leipzig pretty entertaining to watch (well, apart from this season's stumble 😅) I can understand the dislike for them, but from an entertainment point of view, I have nothing against RB Leipzig or any of the other Red Bull owned teams 🤷‍♂

[@villek3722]

Me too actually I kind of respect them. After all they had to climb from fifth division all the way to second place in BL.

[@felipeporto5835]

@@villek3722 Injection of big money kinda does the job

[@villek3722]

@@felipeporto5835 true but atleast they just didnt buy a club from first division like many billionaire owners

[@clawy99]

Well ironically i think they have the best chance to win a trophy this year then any other year. Not many good teams left in the dfb pokal

[@lordoflocks8811]

@@clawy99 It would be a really sad day in german football.

[@duennchriss]

I am from the city of Salzburg and I would consider myself a fan of RB Salzburg. As I am currently 20 years old I've grown up watching players like René Aufhauser, Christoph Leitgeb or Eddie Gustafsson and always liked the play style and the creation of sensational talents. However, I also don't fully support the marketing decisions. I don't like the fact, that they tried to erase the history and I am hoping they change things for better. I would love to see Austria Salzburg and Red Bull Salzburg merge into one again under conditions that satisfy both parties. (For example retaking the SV Austria Salzburg Name with Red Bull as the main sponsor on the Kit, Purple and Red colors) However I don't dislike the involvement of Red Bull in the Club. The difference between Salzburg and Leipzig ist the usage of the sponsorship money. While in Germany they buy good players and are boosting the team directly with the money, the Austrian club focuses on the development of young and rising talents (Haaland, Mane, Adeyemi, Upamecano, Sabitzer, Hinteregger, Laimer, ... the list goes on). Edit: I dislike RB Leipzig because not only of their usage of the sponsorship money but also because of their transfer policy. They got promoted from 5th division because they signed free agents with a crazy good wage and are now buying promising players not only from around the world but mostly from RB Salzburg, which completely puts us in a bad light for only being the "factory" of talents... So for a conclusion I would say that I love the club, even though it has flaws. And I hope there would be actions in the future to make those flaws right

[@aidygooner]

I'm still surprised that Red Bull didn't create a team in Brasilia instead of Bragantino as Brazil's capital needs a strong team and has a nice stadium for a team that could challenge Flamengo, Sao Paulo and other established clubs in Brazil. 🇧🇷

[@zhang1750]

Any SP city is better than Brasilia.

[@aidygooner]

@@zhang1750 I know Brasilia isn't a passionate football city like Rio de Janeiro but plastic Red Bull would've attracted the plastic casual fans there and take advantage of the large population there which needs a strong club.

[@zhang1750]

@@aidygooner Brasilia dont have any media, everybody hates Brasilia(Law Industry) and everything is expensive. Any SP city, easy to logistics, easy to watch talents, media focus, best regional league(Paulistão). Redbull just want a club at SP, no way in other state.

[@normalizedinsanity4873]

I’m a transistorized, transgenederized, transmogrified trans-human A corporatized, commercialized, industrial-strength consumer A goal setting, gym sweating, debt fretting freak A social climbing net-worker that’s always on heat I got my education, majoring in indoctrination Where they taught me to comply, to never question why And so I’m chasing an illusion, of success that’s a delusion That is sending me insane, exploding my brain And as we teeter on the brink, soon to be extinct I always wear a smile, coz I'm living in denial

[@erikdumfart1559]

Im Austrian and I habe to say: Due to RB football has lost Emotion, cause you knew no matter how hard your club tries, there is a club who can buy this efforts

[@jakobjager1734]

Totally. In the last years many clubs have had some great seasons (LASK, Rapid, Sturm) and without the title race would actually be pretty exciting every year if RB wasn't there to ruin it all.

[@rjmw]

But this isn't a new thing, all the clubs owned and funded by oil money are even worse.

[@jakobjager1734]

@@rjmw Yhea I wasn't defending that

[@jakobjager1734]

Money and capitalist interest out of Football!

[@leon4635]

Ohne RB wäre die Österreichische Liga noch langweiliger. Sei froh das wir dadurch wenigstens ein bischen ansehn haben.

[@jakobwanko2369]

I am from Austria and for Austria the investment of Red Bull was the best thing that could happen. Austria Salzburg was financially dead, Red Bull used this to change everything (which the fans did not like of course) But with the new academy, the young international player (Haaland, Adeyemi, Minamino, Mane, Keita,...) and a lot of the best Austrian Talents (Hinteregger, Sabitzer, Schlager, Laimer, ...) this team and this company changed the Austrian league and the Austrian football completely. They made the Austrian league and the Austrian NT way better.