For Honor - Season 7 Tier List

[@xowraith5864]

Yup, pretty acurate ^^

[@hermanthomasiii7294]

xoWraith ok c tier

[@noah8262]

But, orochi has two unblockables

[@volv8701]

and that is?

[@noah8262]

Volv Rlly, her deflects

[@noah8262]

xoWraith xdd

[@andrewjohnston7375]

Shugoki will always be s tier in my heart

[@luizuhtred3116]

As for the raider

[@ZeeshanMalik455wasup]

Luiz Uhtred raider needs more things sigh cries

[@knightknight8282]

Shogoki is the only character

[@atharvavadeyar5157]

Lol if only he were S tier in the game too, that'd be great

[@zuni3474]

Pray for big boi👏🏾👏🏾

[@maxfrank2384]

Shugoki is "D"iabetes Tier right now #BuffThiccboyPls

[@csendo2]

game says hes a disabler, well i think hes disabled

[@jacktracc457]

Max Frank take it back😡😡😡😡

[@EliasMa-o5v]

Max Frank shugoki got nerfed. He cant demon embrace others in Revenge

[@Limpchimps]

Max Frank hes z tier

[@energyvanquish]

LoLdude147 _ he can just not when they’re attacking.

[@Nimmermare]

Quick Summary: (tiers ordered from worst to best) S-Tier: Kensei, Berserker, Warden, Conqueror A-Tier: Shaman, Shinobi, Highlander, Gladiator, Peacekeeper, Orochi, Valkyrie B-Tier: Centurion, Warlord, Nobushi, Lawbringer C-Tier: Aramusha, Raider D-Tier: Shugoki

[@Solular]

Nightmare lawbringer isn’t b tier sorry bud

[@Nimmermare]

@@Solular i just summed up the vid dude its not my personal opinion

[@Nathan-bj2vz]

tbh warlord is a tier in duels

[@weirdassbird]

Josh Ac130 literally the list in thhe video, lol

[@SoI_Badguy]

Nobu is much better than orochi.

[@17DogsInClogs]

I love the logic on some of these comments, I can beat said hero so that means they suck

[@TheSuperb00m]

or I can not beat said hero so that means they are OP

[@SinArtavia]

How I judge op is if I play them for myself and how much it caters for the brain dead... I play on console so our games are slightly different due to ubi only letting us have 30 fps :(

[@ToeKnee]

I'd disagree with Kensei, personally I think he is A tier. He thrives in 4v4 and has great target switching, but he actually can get interrupted very easily in 1v1. The real strength is getting into your unblockable mixup, which is often harder than you may think. Respect the opinion though

[@jtrails694]

Exactly Kensei is a solid A for me

[@Clide0_0]

Toeknee not with his busted side heavies. That move has so much i frames that you’re timing doesn’t even have to be perfect for you to dodge attacks/get a confirmed heavy

[@jtrails694]

TehClide not true

[@atmon8840]

REDSP1R1T PS4 kensei is S tier

[@Clide0_0]

REDSP1R1T PS4 it is you can’t hit a kensei out of a side heavy

[@Nick-nu5gu]

"Orochi Has a very safe zone attack" * Parries zone attack *

[@Rebelian189]

DabbingAppleJuice I know, on console yes it's safe but then so is it for the majority of the characters. Not to mention people have been able to parry or block it on PC relatively easily since the beginning.

[@Nick-nu5gu]

Its called humor bud. No need to write an essay

[@Rebelian189]

DabbingAppleJuice it's called doing as I fucking want kid, no need to be a little bitch.

[@EthanBigBlue]

Rebelian189 eyyyyy chill man your the one acting like the bitch now. Hes trying to have a nice chill comment. Let it be that way.

[@MaxHimbigger]

Wow good job

[@samjayy9403]

Conq main since S1. Patience is a virtue.

[@dogiiiPCGaming]

ye i cant wait for the day Raider gets to be OP I hope I get to see that one day before I die LOL

[@npc1172]

straight up aids man

[@gavinmeier9788]

Sam Higginson . I feel in love with conq since the beta

[@yanisz9161]

They slowed down the timing to get in stance, rip. From 300ms to 600, might be a glitch though.

[@CrusaderLogan]

Tell that to us Shugoki mains.

[@VlncentMarcoux]

Even if you're a god that parries every orochi's lights/zone, there are a lot of players that cannot do that and orochi is definetely a problem... He is kind of an easy alternative for new players: I see some rep 23 orochi and like 26 overall reps that never faints and do the same 3lights, gardbreak, 3lights with oro. It looks like they haven't ever learned anything else than that spam since they began playing him this way and if the lights work so well on so many players.. Why not keep doing it?.. That's why I think he still needs some work... Edit: dumb spelling mistakes (french is my language)

[@Rebelian189]

Ktulu Yeah, it's not like people dont do the same of Conq, Cent, PK, Shaman, Glad, Lawbringer, Shinobi, so on so on.

[@Hearstbane]

Ktulu I agree. No one uses anything but his lights. Occasionally, and I definitely mean occasionally, you’ll run into a very competent one that uses his whole very limited kit, but that’s it. And that’s Ubisoft’s fault. I used to main him. I can’t bring myself to play him anymore after the rework. He no longer takes skill and precision to play effectively.

[@wassheit7563]

It's easy to play him but really he's nothing but a noob grinder. When I stumble upon the kind of orochis you're talking about and I just focus on blocking for a moment they literally freak out. If you parry or deflect one of their lives lights they will just get confused and stand there doing nothing for a few seconds I'm serious

[@Rebelian189]

Wass Heit Yes. I'm almost confident most of the people who complain about him are either noobs or are just bad at the game. If you can block his lights he legit can't do jackshit to you except hope you fuck up your mind games and let loose heavies or in the case of good players, deflect your lights but on console that's almost nonexistent.

[@wassheit7563]

Rebelian189 true, the only good thing about him is good tracking against assassins and the fact that you may hit an accidental deflect instead of a dodge attack

[@ihaveasmallweinerbut9567]

love the galaxy music! one of my favorite games

[@brandonmathewson783]

I think the game is in a good spot, when you have only a few heroes in the “bottom” tier, that means most are close to each other which gives variety. There will always be heroes that fill that bot tier, but that’s with any game. Good video!

[@dogiiiPCGaming]

True and the gap keeps getting thinner. I think the next rework will get us even closer to get a "fully balanced" game. Even though you cant achieve that at any game but getting close to it would be awesome :)

[@Dr.AvenVon]

you have to conisder, there is not only a bottem of a list, but also a top. the S classes are so much stronger than most other classes, it's ridicilous

[@PrinceYasuke]

Aramusha :(

[@PrinceYasuke]

He is by no means "really good". He is the second worst in the game behind Shugoki.

[@GH0STFAC3K1LL4]

I’m an Aramusha main too and I love when people say he’s good or even OP. I’m like if you learn how to block you’ve basically beat me.

[@PrinceYasuke]

lol no. He has the most predictable soft feints and light chains in the game

[@GH0STFAC3K1LL4]

Yeah it’s not hard to block if you know his pattern lol. He’s still one of my favorite hero’s to use though. It’s fun putting people in the blender if you can catch them with the mixups.

[@laudi3554]

\: patiently waiting for the buff being and aramusha main is difficult. But i wont give up. Ill wait!

[@wesbenarnold1980]

Agree except on console Orochis S tier (I main Glad)

[@dogiiiPCGaming]

I can understand that :D He is a pain in the ass even on PC

[@NilleVanille_]

I agree! And I would but nobushi in the C-Tier not the B-Tier. At least for console!

[@wesbenarnold1980]

Almost d tier, I learned to deflect and light parry on Nobushi lol

[@aerox4255]

Orochi is so easy to fight on console…

[@wesbenarnold1980]

I'm talking light spam ability, any lag at all will make even blocking an issue. I'm sure you're an ultra instinct god so maybe your list is different

[@dogiiiPCGaming]

Hope you guys enjoy!

[@MedoHawk99]

dogiii ofcourse I did

[@onionplayz4571]

Hell yeah

[@teegamew766]

Very enjoyable indeed. One feedback tho. Please make a table during and/or at the end of the tier list like your last video. The table would be very easy to refer to. Thanks.

[@jae8913]

You forgot to metion the undocumented nerf shougoki got this season

[@Knightshold]

I agree with you on everything but if the wardens variable bash makes him S tier then highlanders kick into grab makes him S tier because it guarantees him so much damage and is pretty much impossible to dodge, Grandmaster btw

[@sebastiandurando2493]

My personal: S-Tier: Highlander(S+ if he abuses the 50/50), Gladiator, Shaman, Conqueror (A-tier if you are good at dodging) A-Tier: Shinobi, Orochi (B if PC and no lag), Kensei, Berserker, Warden, Valkyrie (B tier if you get timings right). B-Tier: Centurion, Warlord, Nobushi, Peacekeeper, Lawbringer (A-tier in Dominion, C-tier in duels). C-Tier: Aramusha, Raider, Shugoki I play Lawbro and Nobu mostly, so yes I'm a bit of a turtle and the S tier are good at breaking turtles. Also play mostly dominion, but duels every now and then. And again, this obviously depends on the player and characters he or she uses.

[@classicalcrossthehalobring4829]

BUFF LAW BRO AND GOKI NEXT

[@StarbuckBeta]

Ubi hear our cries This game hates big people

[@amandacassidy8315]

Warlord and lawdaddy will probably be next because ubi hates him

[@AllantheBob]

NO!!! GOKI AND RAIDER!

[@StarbuckBeta]

Them too lol

[@RealLilVodka]

I’ve never seen anybody call shugoki goki, I’ve only ever seen shug lol.

[@leogis2164]

I love how tier A are characters with a lot of possibilities, and S tier are characters with just "That one annoying move" that makes them a pain in the ass

[@Crusader-cj9lh]

For console, tier list is actually a salt list.

[@ratking33333]

Crusader 9365 well then shugo would be higher, he generates major amounts of salt

[@snowy4460]

I got called the cheepest for playing goki only. its not the worst character to only play as

[@Rebelian189]

Burnt Toast I know. One minute your fending off a 1v3, next your getting smacked with 50 heavies on a Shugos back.

[@JarJarAssault]

Tear list

[@RichardStAmand]

I'd place Highlander on S tier then, I main him and mine too much salt to measure lmao

[@sharkymcshank7777]

Shaman is S-tier and always has been. She has everything in the game except for hyper armor, and unique moves only she has on top of that. Don’t understand how she can be in the same tier as PK when she’s literally a PK copy paste with more moves added on too. Now that pk had her damage nerfed it’s the same if not lower than Shaman’s, plus Shaman has WAY more (everything in the game except hyper armor)

[@EthanBigBlue]

She's really only that good for her zone. I find her super easy to beat, even hi reps. She's a tier, just solid, but not very bad

[@BringerOfRain39]

Ethan B Just because you don't struggle with the character it doesn't make the character worse. I don't struggle with her either but I'd say she's S tier easily. She has a very versatile kit, a lot of mobility, good mix-up game, her bleed follow ups are pretty strong and replenish health (which is pretty poorly thought out considering how easily she can inflict bleed attacks), 50/50 unblockable, etc. Overall she has a lot of options and can be very unpredictable in capable hands. She's also pretty solid on both 4v4s and 1v1s.

[@nickzaffiro7824]

no shes definitely a tier

[@StrikerDeluxe]

PK is still S tier if you are into super long tryharding turtle battles but in dominion / team duels she is only useable as a shaman support anymore but there's nobushi so ... she basicly has no place in the game anymore outside of 1v1 duels

[@ochocincox1]

She’s broken

[@lucapalese8180]

Pretty good list dude . Keep it up

[@cleganefriedchicken3819]

I honestly think lawbringer needs more options with the long arm. Perhaps make it faster with some tracking or make it so you can soft feint a side heavy into it Edit:Btw lawdaddy is more of a c tier in my opinion. Been playing since s1 and never once felt a difference in his playstyle

[@tekken3060]

Hey, I love your video. The video for Season 6 contained an actual list that I took as a reference from time to time and that helped me a lot as a new player. This picture is missing here (was very clear and nice), I will probably make one myself ;) Good job!

[@jonas8642]

Ive been waiting for this so long

[@tritontutorials5326]

i think for conq there is one weakness if you use glad, if you time it right and toe stab once hes in full guard it opens conq up. just what i believe. good vid

[@lotionnnn]

Holy mother of god, the super Mario galaxy sound track is beautiful

[@mattyivens3272]

i assume he never thought GOKI_GOD that guy plays shugoki like hes a s tier his mix ups r insane no one ive seen plays shugoki like him my god

[@azsampako2266]

Seems right. I just think the highlander may be considered S tier too. Like you said he's super strong but I think his 50/50 and absolutely ridicuilous damage should earn him the title of an S class hero rn. Otherwise rip raider :c

[@Slaaneshy_Concubine]

AzSam Pako I agree. While he is difficult to play imo (due to his weird kit) he can absolutely destroy other high tier characters if the highlander player fully utilizes hit kit (his insane dodge recovery in offensive mode, his soft feints (unblockable into kick into grab), his 400 ms lights to prevent enemies GBs ...)

[@stodgiestbow165]

I agree if you haven’t already played breach highlander destroys guardians and commanders he is one of my favourite characters at the moment so he definitely should be on s tier

[@bigdan2230]

I agree with every one except kensei, struggles really bad against turtles and anyone who can keep up the pressure I say he's high A tier

[@StarbuckBeta]

#BuffLawbringer! Shove on block is too easy to escape from by rolling. And oh, but that takes you out of stamina doesn't it? Well don't worry, because he has *LITERALLY NO* punishes for oos!

[@EthanBigBlue]

I'm sorry that hes the best turtle in the game. We will now give him the best vortex in the game as well.

[@spicketspaghet7773]

except he dies to anything non parriable. he straight up can't fight a conq spamming shield bash, or a warden spamming shoulder bash.

[@sparto2132]

Ethan B Guess what. Most LB mains I talk to and play with hate the fact you have to play him so defensive it's just as boring playing as it is fighting against. I am pretty sure I speak for alot of LB mains when I say I would gladly sacrifice shove on block for a decent opener aswell as other things that make him more aggressive!

[@EthanBigBlue]

Sparto then why the hell did you start playing him in the first place if you hate a defensive play style?? That's his kit!

[@wassheit7563]

Ethan B he litteraly can't attack, how do you you call that a viable moveset?

[@szarekhtheimmortal2293]

shove on block is more complicated than that, because it's basically a gamble between LB and his opponent, espacially assassins who can deflect.

[@ballisticraven8463]

I disagree with lawb being put in B-tier, with all the shoulder and shield bash spam in the meta right now he struggles massively with no real way to counter it. He should probably be in C-tier.

[@knightmichaelproductions5860]

Not to mention he has no real offence to come back with, and his own bash is heavily telegraphed from neutral. His opener (upper light) is his only real offence, and his combos are rather slow and easy to react to. Which was fine back at launch since none of us knew what we were doing. It's sad I really like this character since he is really the only knight in full plate armor and wields one of my favorite weapons.

[@sparto2132]

I agree with both of you! I have had lawbringer as a secondary main since I started playing! I love everything about him! His looks, emotes, executions the only thing I hate about the character is how you have to play him to be somewhat decent. I don't even think he needs a buff I think he just needs a full rework to somehow make him a little more aggressive and to give him an actual decent opener

[@Ferixstn]

and why orochi is still above B list... even tho i play him the most , he is really bad

[@primpan2532]

Alekz lol nah just spam lights all over the place and sooner or later your opponent will die

[@bilboswaggins9912]

He’s pretty good in dominion because of bombs, poke and long arm

[@araccoonstolemyradiator]

I was expecting Zerker to be A+, but wasn't expecting you to praise him for his light attacks. I barely ever use his light attacks (I am pretty low level so people don't parry much) and randomly feint combos and throw in stuns for an easy side heavy, although I almost never follow through with a top heavy unless I feint it because of the speed, even low levels can easily parry it if they're not trying to predict it. Conq is also easy for me to fight because most people either turtle which lets me guard break or feint top, or they go stupid aggressive with heavies and give me an easy parry, so it surprises me that he got top on the list (although I guess on high level people do better with him).

[@cairpena9932]

Orochi God Tier. Those lights are insane, just like S1 PK. Having Nightmares at night with that Weebguy.

[@ioanpetkov4105]

Furia rusa digna de Dioses try fighting him as glad on console I just wanna commit not live

[@cairpena9932]

Yeah, I was main Glad on console too, I know about that suffer.

[@ioanpetkov4105]

Furia rusa digna de Dioses I am rep 42 with him and I can tell you if I get parried once I go out of stam and then under pressure glad falls flat

[@cairpena9932]

Ioan Petkov Im just Rep 10, but Yeah, that its insane. Orochi needs another Rework.

[@sixhdjdj]

Furia rusa digna de Dioses but only for console if possible

[@KillianConnolly]

Provided you practice with valks back dash shield bash and her shoulder pin, she is easily s-tier. she has superior block on all lights, basically has a pk deflect, has great feint capabilities, guaranteed light after shield bash which turns into either shield bash spam or other mixups, has literally like 8 or 9 mixups from any type of attack, and the dmg on the spear sweep is insane. The only thing she's missing is hyper armor and the ability to feint the spear sweep. Personally i don't think she needs HA. I would like to see her be able to feint the sweep tho.

[@JumpyWizardz]

Well I've mained conqueror since release and he does have his current flaws. Most people over look them because I guess it's more fun to scream OP without looking more into it. The 3 things that plaguing him at the moment are. 1. Long recovery times on a dodge 2. Shield bash of any type although hard to react to has low priority and once practiced can easily be interrupted. ( even with guard breaks ) 3. His full block entry is now 600 ms, this makes it difficult to achieve any mix ups with his version of feinting. I'm not saying he isn't op but he does have very glaring pros and cons. I personally don't think that his current play style fits in. Strong defense? Definite yes, but a hard hitter? Not really.

[@valtteriaulio8401]

Clayton Kerton I loved to play conq on launch but after the charged heavy became useless and forced the character to turtle to do any damage just ruined it for me. I hate to play conq these days just thinking how epic he was on launch weeks.

[@JumpyWizardz]

Teddy Tommy Ear yea it's definitely changed but in some manner has also stayed the same. My personal opinion on conq is that he should have any option to feint or the option to parry. I think that his superior block on heavy startup should also be applied to light and apply to unblockable attacks thrown at him. Couple that with slowing down his shoves a little bit and he should be a true defense class. Also needing a dmg increase.

[@seide2829]

Ahhh yes the good old days with the light feints.....such a deep moveset now he has become a basic and linear character...Also does anyone remember the light feint into GB?

[@JumpyWizardz]

the chilled knight oh yea. O didn't mind that mechanic if it was intended. But it was glitchy and didn't always work well

[@MHItaliansDoItBetter]

Clayton Kerton as a shinobi main i get really frustrated on how the ranged guardbreak literally goes THROUGH conqueror's body after a missed bash. I swear, it works against any hero, they miss a bash/hit and unless they follow up instantly with something they get grabbed, conqueror seems to be the only one against which it's impossible because of something that totally looks like a bug. It's absurd

[@minminorange]

Warlord needs: - headbutt to chain into combos to reduce spamming. Maybe the guaranteed (ALSO MAKE IT GUARANTEED, IT CAN BE BLOCKED) light into an actual stabbing animation. Would look cooler. - If they trash headbutt entirely they should give a shield bash move like Gudmunder or something and make it a chain finisher idk - be able to feint headsplitter (it's basically a guaranteed parry) - more chains (LL, HH, LLH, HHH, etc. [some combo of these, not necessarily every combo like some reworks]) - Guaranteed damage off of all block. If Conq gets it so should WL; ESPECIALLY if Conq can move and WL can't. - For consistency his superior block light should become a crushing counter. Valk got it and hers works the same as Warlord, so why should he not get this. - Maybe a slight buff to stam pool because there are more moves to do. - Consider faster lights because that seems to be the direction the game is going. - If all block isn't going to be changed then add back the parry bash heavy. Maybe reduce stam damage and normal damage but he needs something. Musha and Cent get heavy off parry. - This is just preference/cosmetic but maybe update some animations? Honestly the heavy animation looks so dumb, like its a little light sword and he makes it seem like its 100lbs. In exchange WL needs - A nerf to crashing charge. Not too sure how to go about this, just that it needs to be a worse/riskier option in 1v1 than his actual moveset. Increase stam cost/recov time, make it so you can't keep going if you miss and you stop there for punish. Like I said, not sure. - This may be controversial but I think we could keep the fast heavy from all block, and that is the benefit for not being able to move. Make it do less damage (20, like valiant breakthrough?) and not be undodgeable. - If he gets all in the above section I think a sizable but not crippling nerf to throw distance would be fair. Maybe 4m ahead too, like side now. - Maybe a nerf on the forward range of zone because people use it as an attempt to get damage, so now they would have others. -There would need to be other downsides in exchange for a bunch of new good stuff but I can't think of any more rn.

[@ilovefriday5870]

So far so good dogii. Keep it up :)

[@busboy5460]

They really need to tone down conqueror's shield bash, dodging is very inconsistent with certain characters to where he still bashes you. It needs to be punishable with a GB so conqueror has to take a risk committing to a shield bash.

[@strider4]

Great list. Would argue that if Aramusha and Raider are in the same tier then Aramusha is like C- and Raider C+ though

[@willwarren6588]

Strider IV I personally wouldn’t put raider above aramusha just because of the fact that my friend plays him a lot and tells me that he runs out of things to do fast where with aramusha might have the same problem in a way but what he does have in my opinion is better then what raider has

[@EthanBigBlue]

Yea I'd say that's fair Edit: And yes ima raider main lol. Aramusha just sucks

[@Eweecorn]

Orochi's deflect attacks are both unblockables, but it's pretty much a parry so I could see if you were overlooking it for that reason

[@tnave80]

Pretty good bro. People haven't prefected Valkyrie dash back attacts and her shoulder pin. This is the only one I think u got wrong Valkyrie is S tear. I'm a Concoror Main but I was a Concoror main before the rework. I didnt jump on the ban wagon. I also play Orochi, Warden, Nobushi, Shinobi, Gladiator, Peace Keeper, Kensai, Aramusha and Centurion. If people can perfect Valkyrie's Shoulder Pin for example Like Concoror's flail uppercut shes going to be stronger then both Concoror and Warden plus her back dash watch Kenzo video. Combine the shoulder pin back dash and her mixup potential she's deffenitly S tear. They just have to utilize the back dash and sholder pin into her mixups yet. As a Concoror main I can see the potential in Valkyrie. She's the only Vikings I like. But I'm a Weeb Head lol. Orochi & Conqueror my fav. Since the bigging when they both were bottom tear. I think they should fix Gladiator reflex guard like they did Shinobi. Centurion in my opinion speed up his kick & punch. Let him faint his zone at any stage 1st 2nd or 3rd attack and transition into any other move. This will give him the range he lacks. If u want to go crazy let him cancel his kick into grab like Highlander. But as long as the 96% wall combo doesn't come back. Speeding up his kick and punch and letting him faint his zone should help out a lot. The light heavy attack was a good start for Centurion buff. Nobushi suggestion Idea's. A new unblockable besides the kick or something like they gave Warden and she'd be real good. I'd say crushing counter from all directions but she's got hidden stance. But give her an unblockable with fainting abilities, mixups and out of her hidden stance might be just what she needs. 1 or 2 moves will make the difference. Look at this video Warden was near the bottom before season 7. Now he's top tear with 2 new moves and fainting abilities & mixup potential. Small changes big difference. I believe Raider and Shigoki should be the next reworks. They deffenitly need it. As for Warlord, Lawbringer & Aramusha. One or two new moves with faints mixup potential basically more options should do it for them. Aramusha for example the double stab he does to minions. Make that like Orochi hurricane blast or Nobushi hidden stance. Give him a new unblockable that can be mixed in with his chains and blockade and he'll be good with just two new moves added with mixup potential. When i say double stab i mean the one where he extends the swords out ward's not the back turned one. He steps back and double inpailes the minions. Id like to see that become a new move. We'll thats my opinion, advice & ideas. I dont play Lawbringer Warlord or Shigoki but they defently need some love. I want all hero's to be strong not just the ones I play. They all should have there strengths and weaknesses. Openers mixups & be versatility. U should win because your the better skilled player not because u have the strongest characters. I've been on both sides of the fence. I know what its like to play with a week characters like season 1 up to 5 Orochi & Conqueror. Then have them be good. I liked that i picked them before they were strong. The games never going to be balanced no matter what they change. But it should be based off of skill, having the tools, (mixups, faints, openers). The rest is up to u. Can u adapt, learn, read your opponent, utilizes the tools given to u & over come. This games come a long ways. I praise the dev's. They stuck with us listen to us. This games unique first of its kind. This is why i play for honor. It had a ruff start. It will never be perfect. Nothing is but its a great game. Anyways thats my opinion. Good video bro.

[@fletcherng7404]

Travis Nave jesus that's a lot of text

[@dylanmorgan324]

He a conq main but butchered the spelling, wut? Hello?

[@GB-jo9ky]

Who is gonna read all of that

[@sadom7203]

That pretty much sums my thoughts aswell

[@ivoreetaylor7790]

I think some mix ups definately would help aramusha👏👏👏💯💯👌👌... And an unblockable. Or opener😂😂😂

[@bubbagump4609]

Love the Mario Galaxy music in the back :) 👍

[@renelopez3547]

I find a reworked valk harder than a reworked warden

[@mitchcon5300]

Rene Lopez I’ve been playing both recently and with valk people are already figuring out her combos and mixups so it’s a bit harder than warden with that feint

[@SlyphYT]

I agree with most of, if not all of the placements here. Only ones that I find are missed placed are Warden, Kensei, Warlord, & Lawbringer. Warden is great in 1v1s but still doesn't have to to much in 4v4s which is why I'd place him A-Tier from S-Tier. Kensei is great in 1s and 4s but in 1s his mixups from his top heavy can be interrupted pretty often which can prove to be annoying and limit his abilities in that field. I'd move Kensei from S-Tier to A-Tier. Warlord is exactly as you said, but you forgot to mention how he has the second best OOS pressure in the game. His shield crush. Easily spammable, takes little stamina, and has good damage.I'd move him to A-Tier. Now for our poor Lawbringer. He nolonger gets 50 damage from a parry punish. It's now 45. Plus, the 45 DMG from a heavy parry isn't always consistent, as you need a wall nearby (Within, I believe, 2-3 meters. It was nerfed from 5). As you already said, Shove on Block is easy to avoid with either not attacking or reacting to the followup (As both light and heavy options are slow, and punishable for assassins. Kensei, and Valkrie). He has no openers and no OOS pressure and literally no pressure at all against a player who doesn't attack or can react to 500ms attacks. Sadly, Lawbringer is utter garbage and needs a rework along Shugoki (But won't happen as the Developers already said). I've move Lawbringer from B-Tier to C-Tier mainly due to his team fighting ability (Longarm), and the Shove on Block can nullify combos.

[@bumblebeeman2103]

this is a very interesting video. I think the mention of things possibly being different for consoles is very relevant here. It's like every bullet point you make for the characters is correct, but considering the fact that certain moves and counters are easier/harder to perform on console than on pc, the list moves around a bit. I personally wouldn't have put characters such as Cent so low on the tier list because of his GB and half health damage chain. idk how hard it is to counter on pc, but on consoles, if an opponent spams a fast enough move enough times, he is gonna get it sooner or later while playing against most players. His attacks, even his heavy attacks, are fast enough for this, and Cent's GB is really fast and has an awkward animation to it, so if u put into account that you have to move ur whole thumb to bash a button in such a short window of time vs a keyboard and mouse which r designed for fast typing and easy accessibility, it's easy to see there is a difference in effectiveness across platforms. there is a lot of delays that go into console play, which is caused by many different factors which probably aren't as big of a problem on pc. And a lot of characters on this list could get bumped up solely off their ability to capitalize off this fact. lawb's push into the top light is really hard to dodge/block on console, and shaman's dash attack is LIGHTNING fast to us console plebs. also, while we're on the topic of shaman, I feel that her pounce, given that it can be done on any bleed, not just bleed mitigated by urself but by ur teammates as well, and the fact that it can be feinted multiple times AND be done a second time if missed; all while being very fast makes her very viable and much better than her current placement in your list. In fact, i might even go as far to replace cent with a gladiator. glad's combos and mixups are excellent, and are great openers for most players, but from my experience, they don't work as well against turtles as u might expect. His dodge attacks are much more effective but can be easily baited. Considering he is an assassin, his blocking is not the most reliable so characters who are light spammers and do a lot of mixups are super effective against common glads. He's about a step up from Orochi since his mixups and feints are much smoother. Orochi has good mixups don't get me wrong but they aren't very cost effective and usually are only comprised of a few lights being chained into a heavy feint into whichever ability he has or whatever. The only thing is all of his abilities are very easy to counter. His new back dodge is really good but is now becoming easily parried for some reason, his side dash can b baited, and even his storm rush while being slightly unpredictable is not very effective against characters with tracking abilities like dash attacks because they can interrupt the move before the attack is even initiated. Jezz I really went off on a tangent there but I really just like the vid and the topic of tiers in For Honor. Ur vid really makes me think and I like that about it. 👍

[@wassheit7563]

Gio Escalante the only problem with cent is the weird soft feint animation, but you can just prepare to counter the gb It always gets me when they do it for the first time but then I remember to be careful and it hits less often

[@EntombedToast70]

Easy way to nerf shaman? Make her take damage on missed pounce or if you attempt to pounce someone who isnt bleeding

[@wassheit7563]

Rangers Aprentice just remove the stamina gain from the bite and nerf the damage or make her loose hp when she misses

[@SorcererVtuber]

Just a tip, color code your reasons for their tier status. Green for pros and red for bad

[@jimmyjams5038]

Coming from console the only things I would change would be that Orochi would be S-Tier and conquerer would be A-tier. Conq is definitely way stronger than he used to be since he used to be about as threatening as shugoki but Orochi on consoles has extremely fast light that are difficult to react to being limited to 30fps.

[@wassheit7563]

james allee no my friend, orochi lights can be blocked if you focus a bit If you can block a light attack then you pretty much countered orochi because guess what? He has no opener, no unblockable and he's B tier

[@Slaaneshy_Concubine]

If you have trouble against orochis light spam try out berserker. By using hyper armor you can shut down his light spam so that orochis really need to think about what they are doing instead of just spamming lights :b

[@ELIASFA3]

The problem with Glad is that his mixups cost too much stamina while being pretty unreliable (against experienced players),he is in need of some kind of soft feint on his fork, which at the moment really relies on your opponent fucking up, no wonder people spam his zone, its his only reliable move. I agree with this tier list but the only reason he's actually in A tier at the moment is his zone, if you count that out he's a solid B tier.

[@LegendInThaMakin]

ELIASFA3 yeah Wel he has the zone so he’s a tier. These “ya well he if didn’t have this” statements don’t mean anything because it’s not like his zone is being nerfed or removed anytime soon. His mixups are still amazing, great range and he can do it all, even apply bleed.

[@Negrhegr]

Raider for life

[@zombiegamer234]

Negrhegr 1st character to play since beta. His rework better put him in s tier with the rest of the vanguards.

[@EthanBigBlue]

zombiegamer234 I don't want my raider to be s tier, or I'll just feel like scum

[@Negrhegr]

Indeed. He doesnt need to be OP, just few little buffs wouldn't harm him at all

[@zombiegamer234]

Ethan B just saying if warden and kensi are s/a tier makes sense that raider should be

[@EthanBigBlue]

zombiegamer234 yeah I think raider needs a rework/buff but i dont want him to be cancer op

[@Lava_Plays]

This is the closest tier list I ever have agreed with. I don't think Kensei is S he is A IMO. He is still very good nonetheless. His damage is great and he is solid. Warden is still new, so I think people are still getting used to him and Valk, but I agree with the Valk placement. Warden so far for me has been a high A tier, but this, might be since I predict the bashes a ton. Other than that, I agree with everything else. Conq and Zerker are S tier. Nice video.

[@AnimeALX]

I would put Orochi in high B or low A. No unblockables/ No Hyper Armor, Mostly reliant on lights because heavies are too slow so if a person turtles up or parries you then you get shut down hard, you can get hit out of backdash heavy by a light which you can't react to due to animation and even when you feint you will get hit, his dashing lights are super slow, slower than shamans dashing heavy and since it is a light, it gets hardcore punished. On the bright side he has fast attacks but they aren't infinite like Zerk's and he has a safe zone but people will try to block in that direction if you through it out to much. All in all, he only has one game mechanic which is undodgeable properties but unlike PK before thr rework, he has nothing else to him other than speedy lights. At least PK excelled in bleeds and soft feints, Orochi doesn't have any of that built in his Kit. Also I would move Shinobi down to top B tier, Ranged attacks are useless on high levels of play, he doesn't have good tracking on his heavies or lights, and over reliant on landing a kick so he can be shut down by hyper armor or defensive characters. Oh and trying to get into sickle rain mix up is a pain in the ass since people just counter your gb most of the time in 1v1 and shinobi gets hella punished on ranged cgb and parries....plus the lowest health in the game doesn't do him justice....he is a better 4v4 hero and a weaker 1v1 hero due to having a linear kick since half of his kit is suppose to be effective in team fights.

[@Azsnas]

ALX Xtreme Shaman or PK? I’m wanting an assassin that is not the berserker.

[@AnimeALX]

Manek Um I guess Shaman since she is optimal for 4v4s and 1v1s

[@EthanBigBlue]

Shaman and pk are both a, orochi is high b

[@GameSpider-db7ly]

I also think that I have seen warlord vs orochi it was so funny

[@wassheit7563]

ALX Xtreme I agree but Shinobu is A tier, the lights are fast, the kick is safe and that's enough even if the rest is situational

[@blankblank1257]

Shove on block is a mix up, you can chase them down after the shove and pin em it is a mind game

[@atmon8840]

Accurate as always! I love you!

[@vizenn4926]

Thanks Im new to the game and u helped me to understand more about the heroes

[@postathehun6235]

It's almost good, just a few changes here and there from a rep 50 raider on pc Kensei down to A-tier. The pommel strike won't make him that good, not a safe-fast move you can spam and also predictable Warden down to A-tier. Shoulder bash attacks-feints cost too much stamina and his new chains are trash Highlander up to S-tier: Dodges in offensive stance, kick-caber toss, heavy into kick etc. easy to make a reaction out of the opponent like a dodge or dodge light-heavy And Valk, she is top of A, almost can match up with S. Delayed lights, and the free light can lead up to many things: sweep, heavy feinted into shield bash or just heavy feint to make em dodge. Became dirteh, just like Conq

[@nickc.4871]

Fax

[@BigPapaSpeedwagon]

Highlander is definitely S tier on both console and from what I have seen pc. I eat everyone alive with my hyper armor heavies I’ll trade attacks with you until the sun explodes.

[@q_Krispy]

YES MAN. Absolutely agree with ya

[@wassheit7563]

Posta the Hun orochi is B

[@tendericed2749]

Posta the Hun worse than conk...

[@callmesai4274]

I just picked up the game and tried about 6 characters, so far my favorite is orochi. I just love the speed and how he can open and close distance so fast

[@uvgde7384]

I can totally agree with everything dude, all ur decisikns are reasonable for pc, but maybe the highlander should be in lower S tier too, i main him and if played to fill potentional he is probably the best 1o1 character, a good highlander can also easily shut down kensei and conqueror even thow its hard to play this class at such high skilllevel

[@harrybrill2922]

UVG DE yea man pls nerf highlander also he takes no skill to play

[@willwarren6588]

I don’t play him personally but he is definitely a strong character but is still completely defined by who plays him. Not to many mix ups but enough for me to fight multiple people who all have a different style.

[@mattclarkson7416]

Harry Brill Well that's just not true

[@harrybrill2922]

Matt Clarkson how?

[@mattclarkson7416]

Harry Brill It's probably because I'm a very new player (as in I'm only rep 2) but it can't just be me that took a while to get used to highlander, right?

[@DyneTreal]

A slightly different (perhaps more nuanced?) outlook: S Tier: Kensei, Berserker, Conqueror, Shaman A+ Tier: Valkyrie, Warden A Tier: Shinobi, Highlander, Orochi B+ Tier: Lawbringer, Peacekeeper B Tier: Gladiator, Centurion, Warlord, Nobushi C+ Tier: Aramusha, Raider C Tier: Shugoki Definitely move Shaman up to S-tier. Her mixups, especially with feints and healing from her bite when she already has pretty good HP for an assassin makes her seriously dangerous, because she doesn't really suffer from the mitigated damage of the peacekeeper or nobushi for her added bleed. Move Gladiator down to B-tier. For all their mixups, gladiators basically boil down to bash and stab and are easily dodged. Even when they try to mix things up, their silhouettes for attacks are some of the most telling in the entire game, so shutting down guardbreaks and defending feinted follow-ups isn't too difficult either; especially when compared to Valk whose silhouette never fucking changes unless she's sweeping and by the time you notice that change, it's probably too late. Even Highlander isn't so predictable and the damage gap between them is quite marginal. Plus, they're fairly equivalent to Centurion, who I think you downplay just a little bit considering how much variety he has as far as punishes (parries are one of many constant threats from a hero who dedicates virtually nothing to wasted movement, minimizing openings drastically while having virtually no stamina cost to a plethora of very fast and relatively damaging attacks). And they're certainly not as cheap, cheese-filled, and easily mastered as Nobushi. Everything else looks fairly reasonable, especially Warlord, who was covered excellently in this video. Though perhaps Lawbringer and Peacekeeper should find themselves on a B+ tier, given Lawbringer's overhead unblockable bug that prevents the attack from being parried along with surprisingly fast mixups for a heavy/vanguard hybrid. And peacekeeper's kind of limited in her mixup variety and damage to a degree that it just doesn't make sense to compare her to the crazy speed of orochi or versatily, combos, and mobility of shinobi or even the Valk or Highlander who totally outclass her in damage and really aren't any slower in comparison savor dodging and the ability to deflect and counter (though, Valk can still do that as well, so... maybe she deserves her own A+ tier, now that I think about how much she has going for her nowadays). Also, even with the variety on Warden's bash, the hero is still a very easy to learn, extremely difficult to master situation. The kensei, on the other hand, pretty much outclasses them in every respect except for the ability to shove your opponent around and stop them up. But considering the Kensei's dodge side heavy trade off and absurd light attack damage, that's hardly an equalizer. Berserker, Conquerer, and Shaman are just all such heavy hitters in comparison to the Warden and they don't have to go to the lengths to strategically create openings in the way that Warden does because of their speed and the shear amount of combo variations and punishes that they can mix up due to their more complex movesets. That said, Warden's top light alone and the fact that they are just so adaptable that they don't really have any weaknesses puts them solidly in that same gray area as Valk. Also in favor of the "Plus" Tiers, because it means that Shugoki doesn't have to be sad and alone in the Diabetes tier and can move up to the more pleasant Chunky tier.

[@stone8795]

I agree with Conq being S tier, but he's really not as hard to fight as people think. I'm a Conq main with TONS of experience fighting in mirror duels. Now, since they normalized all side dodge recoveries to 600ms, Conq can't punish people the same way. Once you learn his timings and see how your opponent is using them, he's pretty easily countered. Fighting a Conq is just a game of patience. But hey, that's just my opinion.

[@LuzikArbuzik77]

Conq have best defense in the game (zone can be even busted according to some top pro players) and shield bash is way to strong and safe, he really needs some nerfs. Of course there are also things that needs buffs (like heavy dmg, he is dmg dealer for fug sake, or his charged heavy guard change timing, it is a little bit to risky to use it now)

[@stone8795]

He doesn't need any nerfs. SB is not safe. It's very easy to react to, only gives him a 13 damage light, and he can be GB for free if he misses. His zone is safe, but only does 10 damage and can be parried at any point which is super easy after the first use. His forward dodge SB has a different timing because it's his only good way to go aggressive. Players will dodge his side dodge SB 8/10 times. It's only used on response after dodging something from their opponent. Plus, full block is useless because it's just an easy GB against him and leaves him vulnerable for 300ms. Like I said, fighting Conq is a game of patience.

[@meatboy2059]

OfTheStone no conqueror is fucking ridiculous, his sb is basically a 50/50 and he has literally the best defensive and offensive options all in one package

[@stone8795]

Sorry, but he's not ridiculous. He's actually pretty reasonable. Anyone who struggles against him in particular just doesn't know how to fight against him. So please don't blame a character for your lack of understanding.

[@meatboy2059]

OfTheStone 1.stop liking your own comment 2. Try play a shield bash spamming conqueror who will then start to wait for dodges then gb you over and over again

[@ryjak955]

All the things that I (and everyone I know) struggle with are the exact same stuff you say are the easily fixable things: Orochi's light spam, Valkyrie's sweep and shield bash combos, and Shugoki's bear hug... thingy.

[@corralmcneil]

Good tier list

[@wassheit7563]

Corral Mcneil warlord worse than orochi? Nope

[@corralmcneil]

@@wassheit7563 It's his opinion as well as several others that helped him make the tier list.

[@wassheit7563]

Corral Mcneil it doesn't feel like it comes from very experienced or good players if orochi is this high on PC

[@wassheit7563]

Corral Mcneil also how is peacekeeper better than shaman? Shaman is basically a better pk with unblockables, soft feints, bashes and healing

[@corralmcneil]

@@wassheit7563I really don't care lol have a good day bro

[@abimukesh9424]

I climbed to Diamond 4 only playing as Shugoki lol (and occasionally Lawbringer). He's been my main ever since I started and although people say he's the worst hero I definitely don't feel the same way lol. It is super fun to play as him as he requires alot of hard feints and skill. Also his hyper Armor counters most of the assasins in the game and throws them off alot. But still Shugoki has a lot of flaws like really slow light attacks, terrible GB range (literally conqueror kept back dodging out of stamina and couldn't GB him) and the terrible tracking for demon's embrace, like you can just walk right past it lol. In higher ranks, you'll get easily parried for whatever you throw and that needs to be fixed for the big boi. Let's hope the devs give some love for Shugoki so he can destroy everyone in the future :)

[@nowaif9144]

Stop making me feel bad, now after watching this video i feel like im playing a overpowered character even though i main warden since season 2 :C

[@dogiiiPCGaming]

You dont have to feel bad , it makes sense for them to make him stronger not weaker :D

[@cuppedcup]

He has his flaws though, so don’t feel too bad

[@ewanreilly2988]

Been maining Warden since closed beta. We deserved this buff.

[@lastor9148]

i dont understand though, how is he S tier if you can interrupt him with a light attack?, he inst S tier, problably A or B, shoulder bash inst as reliable as people think it is

[@the_viriathus5719]

Last Sinister Because it’s like HL’s OS parry baits: good Wardens are gonna cancel the bash and parry your poking attempts if it’s slower than 400ms. SB is literally unpunishable if the Warden knows what he’s doing somewhat

[@MaxHimbigger]

How to make shugoki viable: -soft feint heavies into guardbreaks -charging at exhausted enemies knocks them down -can headbutt from neutral but isn't guaranteed That's literally it

[@PrinceYasuke]

no, thats how you create cancer lol

[@Blackwolf-ud5je]

With all respect, I think Warden and Kensei either should be A, or Conq. and Berserker should be S+ These 4 are not belong to the same tier in my opinion.

[@ioanpetkov4105]

Blackwolf highlander should also be S

[@dogiiiPCGaming]

In high ranked matches all you see is Warden, Kensei , Conq ...ofc occasionally there are some other characters but most of the time in Diamond V I see those characters! In the meantime im up there struggling with raider :/ I imagine its the same in Master and Grand Master since ive seen a lot of vids from other content creators and those were the dominant characters...

[@Blackwolf-ud5je]

I think Warden and Kensei are popular pick not (only) cause they are good, but fun to play, you don't have to spam 1-2 moves with them to win, and they are the face off For Honor, the OG knight and samurai. Plus Warden just got reworked. I am a Kensei main, I really fell like Conq and Zerker matchup is bad for me. Feel bad for Raider tho, with all the rework, he moved down to the list.

[@sameerhasan8101]

The most accurate list! Even more better than the video you've made for season 6.

[@ihaveasmallweinerbut9567]

warden kensei s tier fo sho

[@BringerOfRain39]

Blakey Golding Not really.

[@chadwyckmarte1061]

As a console player, your list is pretty much accurate, the only changes I can see that should be there are these characters: Nobushi should be much, much higher- either A+ or A, some may even say S, all the grandmaster players are either conqueror and nobushi, and nobushi has the highest potential in the game, with an almost endless skill cap due to her hidden stance (and while valkyrie now has a similar move, nobushi's is simply bounds and leaps above valk's). There is no possible way Nobu and lawbringer are in the same tier. Orochi A+ because of obvious reasons, PK I agree with since she's alright to deal with because of the damage, and the only other character I can disagree with is Highlander, seeing how he has the best 50/50 in the game (rivaling with conqueror of course). He should definitely be S tier, because of the premise of the character- you don't need to learn as many things with the character as everyone else in A tier. If you simply learned how to play offensive stance, he'd still be one of the best characters. High damage on a 50/50, Insane dodges, Insane range, Fast lights, decent health, and even defensive stance has some quirks of its own, such as hyper armor, (while hard to pull off, crushing counters), and the mixup game that is celtic curse and his backstep light, he's insanely strong, and another high skill cap character. I'd love to see reworks to shugoki, raider, and aramusha, but give Warlord one of those semi buff/rework things that was given to centurion and Highlander. This is just my opinion, I don't expect anyone to bow down to what I say, just my thoughts as a GM on console.

[@morte2504]

My Boi Warden in S tier? Finally, I mained Him since s1 or s2, idk but It was my main since I started the game.

[@knightmichaelproductions5860]

Kaiser Morty yeah it's finally a breath of fresh air to see him back up on top. Now I'm seeing a bunch of season one matches with full teams of warden and orochi clash. Even with the reworks it brings back some nostalgic fun from when the game behaved so differently.

[@BringerOfRain39]

He's certainly not S tier though.

[@spicketspaghet7773]

He's easily S tier if you face a competent one.

[@Slaaneshy_Concubine]

Actually the most accurate list I found until today :) Also pretty good argumentation

[@iudex_wrp152]

Lawbro is not B at all he's i'd say he's between shugo and aramusha

[@EthanBigBlue]

iundex gamedyre how? Hes the best turtle in the game with a good 50 50 opener. He just lacks good consistant mixups with maybe harder to read attacks to be higher tier

[@iudex_wrp152]

Ethan B a 50/50 opener ? It's not a 50/50 neither an opener, it's usefull on block and it can deal some damage but that's it. Second he's maybe a good turtle but he doesn't have any viable offensive options. He's annoying but not good

[@spicketspaghet7773]

The shove is reactable, as the gb and light attacks are on different timing. Shove-attack=dodge shove---GB= counter gb

[@EthanBigBlue]

iundex gamedyre yeah I dont think hes that good, but saying hes as bad as ara or raider is kind of an overstatement imo

[@wassheit7563]

Ethan B "he's the best turtle" how in the fuck is that a good thing? They only thing he's good at is light parries and you may not take any damage from orochis but lawbringer is slow and any character with a fast bash can fuck you up

[@Showtube887]

I do agree with Warlords placement, but I just wish he had more mixups so he wouldnt be so boring

[@princedamon9814]

I agree with the whole list, i think it's very accurate👍🏼 ...side note: orochi is S tier on console, and a bigger pain to fight than conq..so yeah

[@knightmichaelproductions5860]

The lights are the real pain with him, and his dash back, but other than that when he goes into a combo it's easy to retaliate especially when a heavy is thrown. But I guess with the new warden reword you can just follow him with valiant charge. So orochi boiled down is just a light and deflect spammer, but I could be looking at it wrong too.

[@wassheit7563]

Prince Damon you are bad at the game Very bad

[@wassheit7563]

Prince Damon I played on Xbox and if you're right thumb isn't crippled you can just move the right stick in the direction of the attack and block He has no opener, no unblockable no hyper armor, he's B tier

[@princedamon9814]

Wass Heit alright thanks man

[@santiagodiaz44]

Love the Mario Galaxy music in the background

[@MedoHawk99]

keep it up mister dogii

[@JAKX091]

Nobushi main on PS4 here, can confirm that I will always begin with a light attack (maybe even a Cobra strike) and go for a kick.

[@alfredoelbombo3423]

Sorry, but warden isnt s tier...

[@kayononewheel298]

Valk- •Every chain possible •Good sweep but kind of easy to dodge •HIGH damage heavy if sweep works •Fast lights •Fast heavies •If put on ground by revenge you get free sweep then high damage heavy You can not tell me she is just A tier, she is 100% one of the strongest characters in the game on console idk bout pc cause this game revolves around pc even though most players who play this game are on console

[@acl6521]

Rep 42 with warden, felt bad using vortex, people say it’s gone but I say it evolved to a new stage of cancer. I’m sorry to all the people I literally trolled with it and sorry that it’s not going to get better😂

[@dogiiiPCGaming]

Its a flashback to season 1 only more powerful :P PPL dont get how good it is now and how you are able to mindfuck someone into dodging and then letting it go even as a Raider main (dodgin with 0 fucks given) I get caught :P

[@acl6521]

Jus saying...... I’m not gonna stop😂😂

[@MrStealthWarrior]

How in the world are you plaing it? I can't use warden at all, for me this hero is 100% useless.

[@bearshark5941]

"Oh no I have to press one more button to cancel SB into GB however will Warden recover?" *Dash heavies from across the map at lightspeed*

[@EthanBigBlue]

@@bearshark5941 that's just the mind set of a skilles warden. They have to do more things and they'll complain until their vortex becomes undodgable

[@johnthomason9980]

I've been a Lawbringer main since launch, and LB should be low C at best, if not D He's got no openers, nothing when it comes to mobility, and every attack except top light is incredibly slow and can be parried on reaction He relies on parries, and if he fights a turtle he's essentially screwed

[@theghostguy5475]

The only thing I disagree about is lawbringer I think he should be a little lower down the list but hey I just play console with a bunch of op light spaming what do I know right

[@knightmichaelproductions5860]

Lawbanger isn't B class material. His only offensive option is a top light, like you said the shove is easily evaded from block or neutral. Combos are a bit slow and easy to react to, and his long arm move isn't worth trying to throw. Long arm is telegraphed and just leaves you wasting stamina, and his only real mix up option is his parry toolbox, and really then your left with two options, as the charging repost isn't guaranteed. I place him at C tier because he is no fat man with a club, but he is close at this point.

[@denisaziz4110]

The whole Aramusha bashing is pretty annoying, he is not weak at all.

[@EthanBigBlue]

Denis Aziz yes he is. Just learn to block

[@denisaziz4110]

No, he isn't. Just learn to play? Not every single character needs hyper armor in every move and an EZ unblockable. You people just want to play EZ mode.

[@darthblastoise0098]

Denis Aziz hahahaha no he sucks

[@SteffArrowPlay2DeadbyDaylight]

Learn how to feint and aramusha will turn into aratrash. He has nothing in his kit to be aggressive, he can play effectively only spamming his lights or playing defensively, that's all he got.

[@mylifeisalie6781]

All you have to do is block kid

[@DanielCosta-sc7dg]

"Warden is very strong right now" *proceeds to cut his head off*

[@Solular]

Good list but lawbringer isn’t B tier sorry bud

[@zack4660]

Josh Ac130 then what is he?

[@ngo_3103]

Like d or c

[@zack4660]

MIA Demolition he’s definitely not a D, he’s playable but he lacks variety, I’d put him around the top of C

[@hoppyface]

Lycan Steel all he has going for him is parries and decent dmg. With every update other heroes get more ways to counter him he's basically just getting worse and worse

[@Solular]

Lycan Steel not playable id put him d tier or low C

[@averywoolfe5809]

Couldn’t have said any of this better my self I agree fully (nice Nintendo music btw)

[@cuppedcup]

BUFF CENT

[@superbanana1140]

YES! CENT NEED SOME MORE INCREDIBILIS

[@andrewponce8332]

i want armor on his charged heavies lul what do u guys want

[@cuppedcup]

Andrew Ponce his stun kick back, and/or a good opener

[@knightknight8282]

Pls

[@curtissweeney5211]

Shugoki first then cent 👍😂

[@WolfofVengeance]

I’ve seen rep 60 noobushi who opened up with feints and kick mixups. I’d say she’s higher on the list but I think you nailed everything else

[@carrickcasto1480]

Buff cent plz ubi

[@sixhdjdj]

Fuck no.

[@ngo_3103]

Fuck yes

[@taviontaylor5742]

Boneless why not if its because your bad at fighting him then you need to do better

[@knightmichaelproductions5860]

When soft feint and punishes are your only way of killing, it's a sign that you need a buff. But no body wants that because of season two, they hold that against cent and would rather see him rot away. Like our friend boneless up there in the comment box.

[@taviontaylor5742]

Furry Knight Michael pretty much and all the buffs he needs will be kinda minor like being able to feint his zone or giving his kick its stun back or make his punches faster since everyone can dodge out of it and another health buff etc

[@KAMPCAPOW]

Gladiator analysis on point!

[@ioanpetkov4105]

Gladiator is hard B nowhere near A he is still super predictable

[@Vulture_216]

^^glad main^^

[@zack4660]

Ioan Petkov how is he nowhere near A if you think he’s a B. B is the closest letter to A.

[@felixd.5876]

Just spam zone and win... definitely A tier...

[@ioanpetkov4105]

The Berzerker same can be said for every hero

[@felixd.5876]

Ioan Petkov also for shugoki zone? Lol... Glad zone is one of the best moves ingame because it is unreactable and you can cancel if you miss

[@jaygeemmo]

Pretty accurate tier list bro great job

[@jhonnymuller6459]

Warden S tier ? nah, (A+) he is very good right now but not S tier

[@atmon8840]

Jhonny Muller you are to biased of course hes S

[@broncosuave7743]

Give it two weeks lol warden will sit at a solid A, could even be worse lol

[@andrewponce8332]

lmao the characters just came out and here’s a tier list, I don’t take this game serious.. there kits haven’t been fully discovered and there’s a tier list already

[@atmon8840]

Andrew Ponce You are not complaining about Shaolin and Tiandi guide from other youtubers who played them 30minutes but about a tier list that hasnt changed much since season 6 Lmao

[@derekgunnels4856]

I agree tier A. I also feel pk and orochi might be tier B. Fast attacks only go so far when most of the cast is just as fast with unblockables. Also shaman still feels S imo.

[@kingplab8484]

Nobushi also has the strongest parry option select in the game, I feel like that alone can put her at A- or something relative to to that spot.

[@wassheit7563]

BigBoiJethro lawbringer is good at parries too but he belongs in low B tier just like nobushi No opener, no offensive options

[@lultimebiscuit9688]

Glad ? A Tier ? 82% winrate *cough*

[@callumjennings6336]

Where and when? In S5 he was pretty low in win rate %. Have they released Season 6 data?

[@lultimebiscuit9688]

Callum Jennings Talking about myself sir xD

[@callumjennings6336]

Oh lol, well you rock then.

[@lultimebiscuit9688]

Callum Jennings I'm only diamond now, we'll see if glad is still strong after reaching master/grand master

[@teinmeizeshi5209]

"400 ms attacks with hyperarmor" The ultimate meta for mix ups.

[@premaritalbread6824]

Buff Aramusha for god's sake

[@GambledMyhouse]

shush you do not know what you say child aramusha is not to be spoken off in this holy room

[@ivoreetaylor7790]

No!! Rework😤!!!

[@Phatdippa]

Been a Lawpappy main since season 1, it’s been hard going through the seasons but I believe that his time is coming....... hopefully.

[@Exalted_Venom]

Ik i might catch some heat, but being an orochi main, we need a opener. Ik, ik people are gonna be like " ur lights are ur openrs ur jus bunz" i can DEFLECT orochi lights on xbox. Telling u bro, my homie needs a kick

[@Am4t3r4su]

I think you mean "parry" and if you can show me a video of yours where you consistently parry an orochi light over and over again, then I would believe it, but that shit I can barely manage a normal block usually even on a good day. It's why you see so many damn orochis and aramusha on console because they are super noob friendly early on. Ironically, aramushas blade blockade is a good answer to light spammers overall which is funny since he's part of the issue of light spamming on consoles -.-

[@Am4t3r4su]

I think you mean "parry" and if you can show me a video of yours where you consistently parry an orochi light over and over again, then I would believe it, but that shit I can barely manage a normal block usually even on a good day. It's why you see so many damn orochis and aramusha on console because they are super noob friendly early on. Ironically, aramushas blade blockade is a good answer to light spammers overall which is funny since he's part of the issue of light spamming on consoles -.-

[@Exalted_Venom]

Am4t3r4su as wierd as it sounds i cant parry his lights unless he whiffs one and throws another. I just watch nova king 2 much to the point i deflect consistently.

[@ioanpetkov4105]

Orochi main small brain

[@Exalted_Venom]

Ioan Petkov ?

[@420jarsofthiccrawsauce5]

Everything's the same on console, if they really wanted to they could make it cross platform so pc could play with xbox, but ps4 is too greedy to do cross platform

[@joe-zt9yf]

Console and PC aren't exactly the same with console getting less fps and worse performance etc. Also a lot of people seem to stereotype console players as worse, I can't really comment on that but the performance issues still stand.

[@andrewhernandez3943]

Yea, it's not fair to console players if PC is playing at 144 fps where everything looks slower because it's more smooth.

[@Clide0_0]

Andrew Hernandez not everyone is playing at 144 but everyone on pc is playing at 60 or very close to it.

[@Am4t3r4su]

Bad logic. FPS on this game is very important and consoles for some reason in 2018 are lacking a 60 FPS standard on competitive games. The reason Orochi and Aramusha can do so well on console is because of the FPS difference. It makes it a lot harder to block their 400 MS light spamming without special guards and such for reliability. If they were to normalize the FPS on console, I would love to play against a bigger playerbase with addition of PC players really.

[@BringerOfRain39]

Break0ut Saying Console players are worse is illogical. Playing at 30 FPS forces players to react in a much smaller time frame. Regardless of skill, playing at 30 FPS forcefully requires players to have very good timing and spot on reactions. 2 players playing in different platforms are used to different timings but you can't logically deny that the one playing on 30 FPS will have better, faster and more assertive reactions as well as faster decision making because he will, that's what he is used to, so the notion that PC players would, automatically, be better seems pretty baseless. Timing and Reaction are the most important elements in For Honor, if you're faster than your opponent you have a greater chance of winning.