For Honor - Season 8 Tier List (THE ORIGINAL)

[@dogiiiPCGaming]

AT THIS POINT SOME CHARACTERS HAVE BEEN NERFED LIKE GLADIATOR, I MADE THIS LIST BEFORE THE NERF SO KEEP THAT IN MIND !!!!! THANK YOU!!!!

[@MedoHawk99]

tier c needs a fucking rework or a buff atleast

[@leonlupcke9389]

To be honest: my personal experience says, that tiandi is a S Tier hero... I dont want a discussion cause i know many people would complain. I have no problems to beat a tiandi (probably because he is new -> less experience), but sometimes i feel like there is no chance someone could beat me when im playing tiandi 😂😂

[@nowaif9144]

@@leonlupcke9389 Its your opinion I guess, I agree with Dogiii on placing Tiandi on A tier. Tiandi is strong but he doesn't have one broken move or tons of hyper armor to spam out all the time, you still have to play by the general rules to win the fight.

[@leonlupcke9389]

@@nowaif9144 opinion yeah... The word i was looking for 😅

[@the.pale.dragon]

I haven't unlocked the marching fire heroes yet, but I played deeply with the others. I personally like your video because, for example, putting your main in a low tier position shows that you are expressing objective thoughts and not based on which character you like. I appreciate this, but personally, after watching many tier list videos and playing a lot I just can't come up with an objective list. I personally believe that tier lists are like... 75% subjective. Milliseconds and features surely define if a hero has good chances or not but only the play stile can finally dictate what hero works the best on you. Do you agree? I mean... I found myself trying many times to play with characters considered by the community high tier if not top tier but I actually win many more times with others that are not so much under the spotlight. I came to the conclusion that the tier list don't exist. Also better and worst is very relative... A part some special cases... But it's just my opinion. This comment doesn't want to be a "hater" comment, quite the opposite, I really appreciate tier lists videos bevause they help me reflect and ponder on the heroes and on my playstyle.

[@centurionsfist417]

D tier- shugoki C tier- raider,lawbringer B tier- aramusha,centurion, nobushi,Jiang jun,nuxia, A tier- peacekeeper,warlord,shaman, orochi,shaolin,tiandi,shinobi, valkyrie,highlander,kensei S tier- conqueror,berserker,warden, gladiator

[@TheOrderNChaos]

MG 2611 musha needs to be moved to d or x tier he’s trash no way close to be with his “nerf”

[@mattg15-dew]

Cent is c tier, he's garbage

[@centurionsfist417]

I didn't make this tier list, just a exact list of what dogiii said, I personally think warlord is B tier and that's it

[@TheOrderNChaos]

MG 2611 Ik I’m just making a statement was all u good coach

[@centurionsfist417]

@@TheOrderNChaos nah I know, I was stating that for everyone so they know

[@Daniellos49PL]

When the video is longer than 10min people are like "oh my gosh this greedy bastard had to stretch it to the 10 mark" When the vide is just shorter than 10min people are like "what a waste he could have get more money, shame on him"

[@atmon8840]

so true haha

[@TheJaythyzul]

People just want to complain about something it doesn't matter what it is. That's why you don't listen to the whiners when making changes. You listen to the competitive side and adjust, and then update the hero tactics to reflect Top tier play. That's balance. Buff Muh Cast.

[@jayd3113]

dont think its one person complaining for both. you cant make everyone happy

[@chigbungus7942]

The " lose lose"

[@kskid99]

> uses plural people to make it seem like excessive amounts of people are complaining about this. > 1 in 25,000 people who watched video make a comment about the time of the video. > danataell doesn't take into the fact that both comments were probably posted ironically/sarcastically. > "oh my gosh this greedy bastard had to stretch it to the 10 mark" and "what a waste he could have get more money, shame on him" even paraphrased hasn't even nearly been said. > 244 likes of what I imagine 95% of people that didn't even bother to look at the whole situation, and just upvoted because the uploader upvoted, and people are gullible.

[@j19ka87]

Is raider c tier cause of the lag?

[@armintor2826]

Right? That was painfull to witness

[@NotOrion5]

Facts

[@johnaguirre872]

thought it was my phone

[@kryeyingface720]

Raider's passive is perma-lag.

[@bluelink142]

Maybe it's because I play on Console, but I think Shaolin belongs in S-Tier.

[@SolarApprentice99]

bluelink142 Shaolin is beserker levels of cancer on console. It consistently suprises me how he got past the testing phases with how broken he is.

[@teranthreav8534]

@@SolarApprentice99 That's bc test was on pc, not on Console

[@j19ka87]

Yeah he belongs in SS tier

[@Preston_Hudson]

I’ve been playing Shaolin, and imo admittedly, he has too many options from qui stance such as unblockable into feint or the feint fracking, great hero but he’s simply unfair against the character Ubisoft has made with simpler toolkit’s such as warlord for example(kinda like how shaman has too many option therefore unpredictable)

[@kenseisensei1826]

Even z tier if it exists

[@fatiharc2520]

A moment of silence for shugoki ;(

[@armintor2826]

*autistic screaming*

[@hhhc8152]

@@armintor2826 laughed so hard

[@Wenedi]

Shugoki it trully top tier. People just let him win because they feel sorry for him :C

[@arezcraft]

Rip my favorite hero

[@palemoogle3049]

If they could just buff him instead of nerfing him... Maybe add more stamina & longer combo Or 10 more damage for all attacks cuz most likely they will be parried, dodged, or blocked Or make all heavies unlockable & the charged heavy unparriable Or add better tracking for demons embrace so you don't miss even when they don't dodge Or make him unpushable Or make him truly a tank by getting rid of the extra damage he takes & add a few more hits Or increase speed to normal & increase dodge to normal too. He's just bad in every way😂

[@premaritalbread6824]

Had a chance to strech to 10 minutes Didn't do it What a trooper

[@nowaif9144]

Your opinion doesn't correlate with my opinion so I have no choice but to do this... RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[@ohhyeahyeah9960]

When people stretch to 10 min. “What a greedy person” not watching for unnecessary stretching

[@sclobazs1708]

Shugoki is for honor's Tachanka fun to play, still cant win, troll pick

[@matthewgonzalez9537]

I think Gladiator is S tier, however i rarely meet anyone who can play gladiator to his full potential

[@doosix3230]

Matthew Gonzalez kingmisty

[@mofo6907]

Just using the zone for everything

[@Tomb-stoneJack]

how is spamming zone and toe stabs not meeting his full potential?

[@plowo3021]

Cant tell if it's meant ironic or not but if you really think that you should check out Kingmisty (If it was ironic then checking out Kingmisty is meant for every other person :D)

[@skrimpey7514]

The Comment Thief you don’t see toe stabs? That’s like the most spammed move in the game. I’ve literally gone toe stab only in 1v1 as a joke and won

[@fangalien7245]

Did you just tell me gladiator is better than shoalin? Dafuq

[@ozehkiyt7135]

He is my guy, shaolin is predictable like nobushi, glad is much much faster, and less predictable

[@hasten4435]

@@ozehkiyt7135 shaolin is much better than glad especially on console.

[@SpecialNeedsMuffin]

True Leggott >glad not as predictable as shaolin What the actual fuck are you smoking

[@dsaman123]

Shaolin has shitty openers, Glad doesn't. Other then that, Shaolin is better, but the problem is, openers are *super* fucking important.

[@centurionyt4472]

Dawnveu if you know how to parry shaolins he’s a useless character especially on console just party their lights and you’ll have no problem fighting them but glad has a lot mor me openers

[@FubarDraco_]

Picture this list in reverse... That would be Ubishits version 🤣🤣🤣... Great vid brotha 👌

[@thebruheternal3654]

Omg ur right

[@thasnoxi1291]

whats that, i couldnt hear you over the sound of coding the new shugoki nerfs. and remember kids, lawbringer isnt bad, you just have to learn how to play him.... isnt that right game devs....

[@thebruheternal3654]

@@thasnoxi1291 THE DATA told us so

[@haggisyabaw4704]

Nobushi will always be high tier in my heart ;(

[@Tyranoman]

She is high on the waifu list at least.

[@JoeyCentral]

@@Tyranoman That's all that matters, bro.

[@perefouettard3064]

Hidden stance is the most high tier defensive move in fh :)

[@Majinery]

My #1 Asian Waifu

[@maxfrank2384]

I know i made the same joke on the Season 7 tier list Video but... ...Shugoki is Still 'D'iabetes Tier... If Ubi wont update Shugoki i wont update my Jokes!

[@palemoogle3049]

They probably keep needing him cuz he's s class. S class because his name starts with s

[@onesingularmilk8868]

If It has good emote spam its S tier cant change my mind

[@jacob7649]

Shit your right

[@iso.n8.17]

Well if you do Wardens’s it’s really weird, Conqueror, Warlord, and Raider’s Combat Emote.

[@meeko3877]

Still think Shingoki is too strong. Hope they nerf him some more next season

[@palemoogle3049]

Yeah like when he picks guys up with demon embrace he should break his back & die. Also after his oni charge he should be completely out of stamina. Then make sure he does even less damage cuz he has extremely high damage output from his chain that is 2 attacks at most & is really slow.

[@itsjustcrimson1415]

Love your profile pic

[@Nhyufll]

Kitzo Grendz dobt talk about shugoki again you clearly know nothing

[@ticklemyturnipr1r182]

Kitzo Grendz he does not need a dash head butt gtfo

[@marthlink5015]

Shugoki should be reworked that all lights dizzy, all heavies deplete stamina 100%, Charged heavy auto execute, all throws just make you stumble into a wall regardless of distance. and FFS fix Demon embrace detection XD. Then we'd give people something to whine about... oh yea and perma super armor ~ scratch that just make this a 1v4 mode called Sumo slam Shugoki God all opponets must use assassins XD.

[@filwilliamson9149]

Peacekeeper is not A tier. B Tier would be much more fitting. She has poor damage and no true openers. The only thing Pk has going for her is her bleed stacking and that’s not enough to make her good. I play on console and when I am playing Peacekeeper and fighting peacekeeper most Light Attacks thrown are blocked and the only true source of damage is her dagger cancel, but it is locked to the top so it isn’t easy to predict. Beyond balancing issues she is just not interesting to play. She is by far the most uninteresting assassin in the game to fight as it against (except maybe Orochi). She has nothing unique to her except for her GB stabs and you have to get a guardbreak for that. As a side note getting executions an be absolute hell if the enemy turtles due to do heavies GB.

[@derekgunnels4856]

Why do people think PK is still A tier? Her duel win rates were at 41%.....13th out of 18 before the wu lin. She's easy to stop and even when she does get damage in it's pitiful amounts and drains her stamina like she's as heavy as Shugmaster. Once they regulated dodge recovery times she could no longer turtle like before-this further dragged down by her overzealous damage nerfs and lack of a good opener besides zone makes her trash. She is C tier. C tier. In duels maybe B tier at best. She has nothing no other hero does better. I really do not understand why people say "oh yeah 400 ms option select zone that drains 60% of her stamina-A tier" That is literally all she has. But then again some people think gladiator's zone and warlord's charge mixup make them S tier. 400 ms attacks aren't very impressive anymore. Nuxia isn't as predictable or easy to deal with as people think. How someone can think PK is A tier yet Nuxia is B just baffles. Saying PK is still one of the best heroes is like saying Warden's bash or Glad's zone isn't the most broken thing in game right now. Rant over but good Lord i;m tired of people seeing PK through nostalgia and hanging on to her zone.

[@thasnoxi1291]

dont rate character based off of win rate..... thats what the devs do.... and thats why they nerf shugo. he has a high winrate a lot of the time because like. 4 people consistantly play him. a ton of people play "oh my god is that assassins creed" and drag her win rate down. having a good zone attack means a lot. and yes, she has the pick and choose your fanatsy heavy's but the only bad part about them is their damage. her bleed pressure is huge, every heavy potentially doing double its initial damage over time, and a gb meaning any character loses a third of their bar. also the timing on her soft and hard feigns is really good. its not to early where someone wont respond, but not too late that the other player will just heavy you for it. its right in the middle ground where you dont know if shes throwing or feigning. im not saying shes busted, im saying she one of few characters in the game that are balanced. a strong character thats not gimmick based (cough cogh nuxia) and still has definable weaknesses in her kit. shes a good character that doesnt really need a change right now.

[@ticklemyturnipr1r182]

PK needs 600 ms lights

[@derekgunnels4856]

@Thasnoxi I don't base my opinion off of her horrid win rates, I base it off the 6 reps i grinded as her after the rework. Seeing the win rates only confirms that I am not the only person who felt a significant decline over these past months. The truth is it is easy to block, parry, and cgb everything PK does. Being faster than raider doesn't help much when you have half the damage and less health. She has dropped to around Centurion level imo. Yes she has some fast attacks but low damage and no other advantages. The opinion that being able to stack bleed like every other character is considered a buff is just funny. The difference between PK and Nuxia is that Nuxia has a 3 light chain (and more chain options overall), Nuxia has much higher damage output, Nuxia's traps (while arguably being just as easy to react to as PK's heavy mixups) are in fact a real mixup that do force a reaction of some kind and can be followed up even after a miss (Pk's mixup ends her chain then and there, doesn't force a reaction, and doesn't deal as much damage). And it is common knowledge that straight damage now is much more valuable than bleed damage over time. Yes she is playable, she's definitely playable-so is Raider- but she is also very limited, boring, and generally weak right now. Arguing that because she can delay her moves like most characters is also a moot point, besides PK's animations are fairly exaggerated and easy to read-but maybe that's just because I've played her a fair amount. She is the weakest Assassin right now, and considering Assassins are the most unique class why play the weakest, most limited and boring hero of that class. She needs help. Not before Shugoki or Lawbringer but she does need more chains, less stamina cost, more options in general, and an unblockable/opener/mixup that actually helps get damage in. This is where the game is now. Every hero needs faster lights and some kind of effective unblockable/mixup-this is the standard now.

[@vthanos9786]

I was looking forward to this! Great vid man. My main will always be kensei tho. No matter what happens to him. Edit: Kensei is S tier in my opinion

[@chrisheaven9975]

vthanos no man, kensei is in A tier Probably one of the best A tier heroes along with tiandi His pommel strike mixup can be avoided by simply reacting with a light on a top heavy indicator His feint timing for the top heavy is too slow for at least blocking the light His zone is great but if the player is really good he’d predict it and get a parry

[@vthanos9786]

@@chrisheaven9975 well you can dodge-gb out of top heavy. It works usually because people like to dodge kenseis top heavy to avoid pommel strike. And you can also soft-feint into side light that gives you hyper armor so you can trade. I believe kensei will always be a viable option for a fight thanks to his mixup potential.

[@nou3550]

Just take out everyone out of s tier even thought he is already in s tier Warden he's a good char eazy for new players rep 59 is my warden Ben maining him for a long time now

[@greypolarbear]

Bro I need help. I've been a glad main for so long but i wanna try out warden/kensei cos they were my firsts. Play style is just so different that I can't adapt or remember how to play them :((

[@nou3550]

@@greypolarbear you play on consle or pc cuz I don't play on console

[@chokonnit7337]

As soon as I saw shinobi in A tier I knew you haven't really used shinobi in duels. He's super predictable and has no useful moves besides kick

[@anemone3777]

Tackle spam.

[@chokonnit7337]

@@anemone3777 anybody with a side dodge attack counters him, basically every single character in a tier and S tier

[@anemone3777]

@@chokonnit7337 that is why, brace for it, you do not always tackle. Have you ever had a warlord pretend to crashing charge you? Same.

[@chokonnit7337]

@@anemone3777 that is why, brace for it, you always do a bash since it's unpunishable unless you charge it.

[@Elpenor]

The fact that you are saying this....confirms your mmr has no place to talk about tier-list balance.

[@Ai-wk4sp]

I agree with most of this, but a few things are different for me D: shugo, raider, law C:pk,cent,ara B:wl,hl,valk,nobu,nuxia A:warden,glad, kensei, orochi,shaman,jj,tiandi S:conq,zerk,shinobi,shaolin The biggest factor for this is options, as well as mechanics. Again, this is my feelings on the matter.

[@smalldiabetes]

A i shinobi is c or b at best my guy he’s shit

[@azkhoyo731]

I disagree with JJ as after a while I can already deal with everything he has in a 1v1. I can predict the softfeint light for a parry, dodge the kick while still being able to Cgb, and parry the delayed light as they are only 500ms. Unless this is from a console view?

[@Elpenor]

Warden and conq are missing as S-tier in that list.....which shouldnt even be a matter of opinion...in pure theory itself their kit allows them to be completely safe and control the match....conqs delayed shieldbash has best bash tracking after wardens bash and highlanders kick into caber...his shieldbash is easy to acces and if fully delayed unreactable. His option select zone makes him even more safe...warden can feint his sb almost at any point...making people guess whilst he can react and be in control.

[@LittleLightIsaOnce]

I agree with everything exept pk for me pk is A tier. It depends on ppl playing but usually A sometimes High B

[@LittleLightIsaOnce]

@@smalldiabetes if u fight a good shinobi u cant even hit him. Plus his lights do valk heavy dmg

[@fedond1133]

awesome list aprriciate you taking the time to make a tier list. thank you

[@NicoGrosso78]

I really hate that some characters like shugoki are trash but they have that one ridiculous thing, demon's embrace in shugoki's case, raider's tackle and warlord's shield push thing. Also tiandi is without a doubt the best character in my opinion, he can feint pretty much anything into anything at dumb speeds which probably make it the most unpredictable character

[@barofsoap8940]

Nicolás Grosso raider isn’t trash just get good

[@plowo3021]

Compared to Shaolin or even Jiang Jun, Tiandi is predictable lol

[@vulcanv6284]

I agree

[@NicoGrosso78]

@@plowo3021 after plating morr, yeah, especially shaolin with that damn kick I don't know if it's the animation or what but the only times I dodge it it's completely out of luck

[@ce017]

Im sorry but PK A tier????????? - 0 openers - 0 unlockables - Few mix ups - Very short combos - reactive guard that takes longer to recover than it takes for light attacks to connect - Her heavies are slow and predictable as well as not even doing a full bar of healths worth of damage - Runs out of stamina quickly especially now they have scrapped armour stats - deflect is interruptable making it useless against characters with fast lights (rochi, valk, tiandi and all the wu lin characters) - zone is the only good thing about her and costs half stamina - her first light is very telegraphed and easy to parry if you have 60fps - relies a lot on dodging so can be caught out very easily with faints - side lunge attacks are very easy to bait out and parry Have i missed anything????? Haha the only thing they did well with her is bleeds stack. I have mained her from day one and have just seen her become worse and others better. I have 29 reps on her and i find it easier to win duels with characters like law bringer, aramusha and cent. Pk is F tier, even a turtle shugo can wipe her out.

[@blacknoir3476]

So true I was shocked when he said a tier being a little faster doesnt mean greatness

[@cheddacheese3539]

Yeah I agree I've been using Nuxia a lot and personally I think she is WAY better than peacekeeper.

[@alexj4184]

Dude I beat a rep 60 Kensei with my rep 5 Pk she's far from being bad, as you said the bleed stack is very good that puts pressure. I'm a Raider main, he's never been the best unlike pk and i've been waiting for a rework for over a year now

[@ce017]

@@alexj4184 dont get me wrong mate i still win most of my duels as pk but its a struggle. My point is that pk isnt A tier unless you are properly acquainted with the hero and that its easier to win a duel with characters that were placed further down the list. The hero itself is very weak, which is why its so satisfying to win with her. And seeing as this is a tier list vid which should be based of the heros as they are then pk would be down there with shugo. But this vid is less of a tier vid based off the characters core components and more a tier vid based off this guys personal experiences in duels it would seem.

[@kahootznorris7718]

29 reps and you still can't figure her out, how sad

[@parkernotman8865]

jiang jon easily s tier, damage high, health high, speed, he can spam lights, has unblockables and openers, a side dash that can be soft fainted and chained, a zone that can be chained, his choke can wall splat

[@atinyraven3433]

PK, from my personal experience playing as her....is definitely not A tier material. Her openers are easily predictable/punishable and the only "viable" way to open up turtles is to feint/side dash or hope they're stupid enough to throw an attack. I get she's made to counterattack (which I do ALOT of) but she needs an unblockable or something. Just a better viable opener in general.

[@ProxyPy]

I usually play defensive with PK too. However, I agree that she would benefit a lot of an unblockable of some sort. Or actual tools to be defensive. Not even much ! I thought of giving her some kind of fast high kick that would act as a gald punch, it doesn't garantee anything, it just stuns you for like 0.5 sec. It would be done from neutral and in chains. Then just give her the possibility to apply bleed on parry. Finally, since this makes it way easier for her to apply bleed, she should apply 66% - 50% less bleed on each subsequent bleed effect and also maybe nerf her guard but i'm really not sure about that one. I think this should make her interesting to play without completely op. Here my two cents on the subject :p

[@thasnoxi1291]

any character would benefit from more unblockables. does that mean they need or should get it?. no. it doesn't work with her design in the first place. most unblock able attacks are a bash of some kind, and if not they're an absolutely massive attack. that makes no sense with her style and look. shes too small for a huge attack, and she has no real explainable way to bash someone and it actually do something. it doesn't fit the character. shes a duelist kind of style, being faster and out smarting your opponent. yes she suffers from being turtled against but thats how you create good game design. you leave counter play available for a character. as for the kick thing yet again that makes no sense with the character. 1 shes in plate armor and chain mail. if you've ever moved in that you know its a miracle shes as fast as she is, but you literally wont be flexible enough to kick someone. also, they have to make it part of a sensible fighting style. there is an intentional lack of movement like that in most hema and hema sources (Hema is European martial arts) because it doesn't make sense. in fact almost all of European martial arts is weapon based. throwing a proper kick isn't going to happen, especially a high kick. also if you give her the ability to turtle bust what do you do against her then? pray? now your counter play for the character is gone. truth is that she is exceptionally balanced right now. not too strong, but no bad. thats where all fighters should be. not too strong, but not bad. and making sure they dont rely off only a single tool to be in that situation (stares at nuxia and her light chains)

[@ticklemyturnipr1r182]

Kitzo Grendz I’m just gonna state that i never lose to PKs, her lights are easy af to parry, her heavy soft feint into light is easy to parry and her heavy soft feint gb is predictable and trash. She’s literally as bad as shugoki imo and I’m on ps4 before some weeb says “well that’s cause ur pc master race”

[@atinyraven3433]

I guess I should further clarify that I by no means am specifically asking for an unblockable...merely some other form of attack that could open up an opponent besides her lights/zone/feints. Which yes she can be unpredictable at times but a good turtle (looking at you lawdaddy) can easily punish her. And while she can turtle herself...its not really a viable option outside of duels. Especially with the new Win Lu characters who can open pk turtles up pretty hard. (Looking at you Nuxia.)

[@dandelius2820]

I hear that Octopath MUUUUUSICCC, good shit fam

[@1nonlyRyth]

JIANG JUN IS B-TIER ??????

[@cal1gula358]

Yes he is

[@davidalcaraz8562]

Julia Terrasi Agreed, on console at least he’s pretty damn strong. Solid A imo.

[@vanakis]

In duels he is. In 4v4 he's a god among men. Kit made to hit almost all-around him to hit a lot of opponents

[@1nonlyRyth]

@@vanakis my lil' raider is crying

[@1nonlyRyth]

@The Comment Thief totally agree

[@Tf_is_revenge]

I've been waiting for this

[@matthewmorales89]

I think shugoki needs 400ms lights

[@francogiardini7284]

XD

[@HelterSeltzer_the_one]

noice

[@noaht2986]

Nah, 400ms heavy attacks.

[@mickboontjes1674]

I mean the pay to win Dlc faction has a Heavy with 400ms light attacks. Oh wait, they all do. All the Wu-Lin characters have 400ms lights. It's basically just make every new character better and faster and leave the old characters behind

[@thasnoxi1291]

nah nah nah 600 ms heavy attacks. that are undodgeable, oh and give him dodge lights with extended dodge properties that you can cancel into demons embrace. also make demons embrace like shaman and confirm it off of any gb. also make it 1 shot at 2 bars of health. also buff the hyper armor to every 2 .5 seconds instead of 5, but take only normal damage without it instead of increased. give him soft feigns into lights from heavy's and make a heavy>headbutt confirm a free light. if he guard-breaks you he can do 3 head-smashes into his stomach to drain 75% stamina or 2 smashes and 50% into a throw. charged heavy's also now knock-back everyone far away, as well as trip. only follow up option would be a fixed charge of the oni. put charge of the oni back to how it used to be with a bigger hit box and you fall over when hit which confirms heavy's. new combos will be L-L-H L-H-H L-H-L H-L H-H who knows. if they do all that, maybe, just maybe he can make c teir. (i know this is broke as hell but god wouldnt he be fun like this.)

[@georgreshetov3873]

"it's almost impossible to get a demons embrace" literally 4 seconds later *gets a chance for demons embrace but doesn't do it.

[@RABuu334]

Doesn't change that it's pretty much impossible to do

[@almightyfolding9061]

Bro musha is c or d tier you can literally dodge back to evade his combos

[@hasten4435]

Blade blockade is also flimsy

[@michael4904]

That’s prolly why he has those dash attacks tho, to close distance

[@dipzera1025]

Kitzo Grendz the thing is, musha cant gb a backing opponent, try it yourself, not the only reason i think he’s c-d tier

[@thasnoxi1291]

reason hes b is because of speed. if you look c and d tier re the slows bois in game. if youre mostly faster than them then youre b tier. even if you have the mixup game of a lawboi, youre b because your faster.

[@dipzera1025]

Thasnoxi i think tiers should be made not only by platform people play, but by ranks as well, musha is 100% c tier in diamond.

[@jamielivingston6919]

I feel JJ should be higher up tbh, he's the only character other than Shinobi I think, who can dodge out and away from HL's 50/50 and punish him for it. His lights and zones are menacing, but aren't impossible, and he has good mix up potential with his dodge attack cancel etc. And ngl, you're basing your results on him from the future, because of course, by then he'll be good to handle, but right now he's a menace, and you're basing it off of that

[@Tonyvsw]

Isnt it like 38 damage for two lights that are chained...? That seems quite strong

[@haruhas7604]

Nobushi can dodge the kick with hidden stance and them just dodge the grab. So they r not the only ones

[@JoeyCentral]

Not a bad tier list. I think it's accurate. I would argue that Jiang Jun is maybe low A tier in duels simply because he has soo much damage for such fast attacks. Overall it's a well-thought out list considering how short of a period of time has passed prior to the release of the new heroes.

[@RexisGoldeneye]

I dont know why people are still saying things like “rip shugoki” and “a moment of silence for shugoki”. Yes he needs a rework, but at least he’s gonna get one. Lawbringer mains on the other hand were simply told to Git Gud. FeelsBadMan 😞

[@thasnoxi1291]

that feel when you main both... and just cause hes getting a rework doesnt mean hes getting better. it just means hes becoming different.

[@abysschef5078]

Easton Spooner then again shugoki got nerfed once again like 1 week ago lawbro is trash but he doesnt keep getting nerfed

[@samjones7196]

It just shows that the most amount of characters are in b, a, and s. Which is why characters like raider and shugoki desperately need a buff or rework I’ve been playing raider since season 1 and I’ve noticed that he is never been near the top like every other character he’s always been near or at the bottom which is my biggest problem with for honor

[@M1das]

Imagine putting pk and shaman in the same tier and expecting to have your list be taken seriously

[@forrestwohnus6730]

i main lawbringer and i'll admit he's difficult to play but he's a lot of fun once you understand his abilities

[@thasnoxi1291]

what shugoki deserves 700 ms heavy attacks. that are undodgeable, oh and give him dodge lights with extended dodge properties that you can cancel into demons embrace. also make demons embrace like shaman and confirm it off of any gb. also make it 1 shot at 2 bars of health. also buff the hyper armor to every 2 .5 seconds instead of 5, but take only normal damage without it instead of increased. give him soft feigns into lights from heavy's and make a heavy>headbutt confirm a free light. if he guard-breaks you he can do 3 head-smashes into his stomach to drain 75% stamina or 2 smashes and 50% into a throw. charged heavy's also now knock-back everyone far away, as well as trip. only follow up option would be a fixed charge of the oni. put charge of the oni back to how it used to be with a bigger hit box and you fall over when hit which confirms heavy's. new combos will be L-L-H L-H-H L-H-L H-L H-H who knows. if they do all that, maybe, just maybe he can make c teir. what shugoki will get. "so we reworked him from his state because he was just to dominant and powerful overall, so we designed this rework to be more of a nerf to the character than previos reworks. if you think hes bad hes not, you just need to learn how to play him" 1000 ms lights 1500 uncharged heavys no charged heavys. his combo chains are L H ... can no longer soft fegin heavy to demons. demons hitbox nerfed. demons no longer 1 shots demons no longer heals. you can be knocked out of demons cant demons people in revenge. oni charge uses all stamina. nerf its hitbox again it not longer staggers.. you just go slightly faster. geting hit charging is considered a trip. hyper armor removed replaced by anti armor. anti armor, if you take a hit it deals twice the damage it normally does and also staggers. refresh time of 1000 ms. "were hoping people really enjoy the new and improved shugoki"

[@matthewgonzalez9537]

As a Raider main it is my job to slaughter the Wu lin

[@preppinainteasy9965]

I agree it is our duty

[@OutOfRehabGaming]

Too bad you stand no chance. Trash tier just as centurion.

[@golden1_1dragon12]

Matthew Gonzalez in dominion of course lol

[@Williaem00]

Same!!!

[@malachailee3494]

Out Of Rehab get good enough with a character. And tiers mean very little. And back off my boi cent

[@jhinsafras2883]

No way Peacekeeper is A tier. B tier at maximum. No opener, no unblockables, is like shaman but worse. She's still my main

[@Ashyoooooo]

She got an unbockable, R1 after Dodge

[@Taartin]

When i started playing this game about 3 or 4 months ago i wish i knew that aramusha would be hard to be effective with at a somewhat decent reputation

[@danny28320]

Shugoki will always be high tear character in my heart

[@TheHelloToYou]

If I had to make my own list (yea, I know, posting my own tier list on another person's video). Order is from lowest to highest, including within tiers themselves. Keep in mind this is duels only - 4v4s is a different story. D Tier: Shugoki - Self-explanatory. Out here by his lonesome, with light attacks about as slow as cold molasses and the most penetrable hyper armor of the cast. Variable heavy attack timings and praying a wayward guardbreak lands you a Demon's Embrace are about all you can hope for with the OG big boi. C Tier: Aramusha - I used to put Ara down with Goki, but the recent change made his deadly feints ever so slightly more annoying to deal with. He's still a low C tier, but... I dunno. Not the absolute worst. Lawbringer - Dogiii was on the money with his. Anyone with a bash will annihilate him. Anyone without a bash can still react to almost anything he has. Raider - Once again, Dogiii is correct. Raider really doesn't have much outside of GB spam and occasionally bamboozling you. Centurion - List starts to differ a bit from Dogiii here on out. Cent really has nothing to open up a turtle outside of variable heavies. Kick is entirely reactable on PC, and staying away from a wall (when possible) really neuters his punish game. Hit him once and he's forced to come and fight on your turf. B Tier: Valkyrie - This tier is difficult because no one is explicitly bad in it, but I gotta start somewhere. She's got some fast lights, and a decent mix-up with her heavy-shield-bash combo, but some characters just crush her. Her mix-up is partially negated by dodging, and people with very fast dodge attacks can't even be cancel-GB'ed sometimes. Shinobi - Like Valk, some characters completely crush Shinobi. If it weren't for his borderline over-tuned lights (I say borderline because with the new Wu Lin, I don't even know what's balanced anymore), he'd be pretty meh. Best attributes are his ability to spam deflects and fast lights, but it's all he's got. Kick sometimes lands if you're clever. Nobushi - Powerful defense, and delayed kick can be annoying as hell, but outside of her defense she doesn't have much. You have to be extraordinarily clever with Nobushi to win, but luckily her Hidden Stance specifically counters some of the more bullshit attacks in the game, putting her higher up on the list purely because of that. Orochi - Storm rush is surprisingly hard to deal with as an opener, but some characters can completely negate it or at least heavily limit your options when using it. Otherwise, a heavy (whiffed or otherwise) into a delayed light is your best bet at opening up turtles. Orochi is in an odd place where some lower tier characters can eat him alive (like LB) due to his low health, while some higher tier characters have terrible difficulty dealing with him. A Tier: Jiang Jung - Starting at the bottom of A is the newest big boy. Honestly, JJ's mechanics belong in B-tier, as he really has no more tools to open up an opponent than any other character in that tier. Shin kick is telegraphed as all hell, and his lights, while relatively quick for a heavy, are still not as insanely quick as a delayed Orochi light and are at least blockable on reaction, if not parryable all the time. Unblockable finishers is nice, but option-select is usually enough to handle it unless JJ reads you like a book. The only reason JJ is low A tier, in my opinion, is his insane damage. Landing a two-light combo is 38 damage, and a heavy-light combo is 51 damage, and they're not terribly difficult to land. With a damage nerf, he'd easily be mid-high B tier. Peacekeeper - A lot of people disagree, but PK is still somewhat decent. While it's true she doesn't have a reliable opener, her ability to react to opponents is still damn good. A lightning fast zone can smack many characters out of their animations, and her dagger cancel can catch a lot of opponents off guard fairly frequently. Her dodge heavy is also still quite good and does pretty respectable damage for a dodge attack. The biggest thing holding her back is her abysmal damage - the most frustrating thing is losing as PK when you've hit them 10+ times and they've hit you 3 times. Nuxia - Honestly, doesn't have a great many things going for her... except for 400ms lights that are extremely easy to access and difficult to fight against. She just feels like a more annoying PK with a gimmick that'll catch you off guard from time to time. By far the most poorly designed of the new Wu Lin, but slap enough fast attacks on someone and anyone can be good. Shaman - Shaman can still be quite a beast, but she's still not S-tier quality. Her headbutt is fairly predictable and there are a number of ways to deal with her relatively quick forward dodge heavies. Her bite is still insanely strong, but a lot of people have figured out that mixing in some aggressiveness into your defense when you've been bled is a good way to keep her from totally dicking you. I like to think of Shaman as the original "most balanced" character - strong, but not stupid, with almost nothing in her kit that comes off as useless. Kensai - Dogiii got this one pretty spot on in my opinion. Strong mixups, hyper armor that is strong but doesn't feel like total bullshit, and enough tools to open up turtles that you don't ever feel entirely at anyone's mercy. The second "most balanced" character after Shaman, imo. Gladiator - I might get shit for this one in particular, but no, I don't think Glad is S-tier. His zone attack is insanely powerful - too powerful, in my opinion - but it's also his only reliable tool, and it doesn't apply the same kind of pressure as some other bashes that cause opponents to make bad reads. Outside of zone attack, Glad is a decent character with decently fast lights and some mild pressure with his unblockable. A really, really good turtling Gladiator is extremely difficult to defeat, but really good Glads are also few and far in between, and many simply can't manage his poor reflex guard adequately (and thus get shredded by other assassins). Highlander - This one was hard. I wanted to put him in S tier, but decided that, especially with the new Wu Lin, there are just enough champions that can deal with him that he's not quite there... barely. A properly utilized offensive stance is insanely difficult to defeat, and often it depends on the matchup, but anyone who can reliably bully him out of OS can at least put him on equal, and sometimes even lower, footing. Additionally, hyper armor heavies in DS can catch a lot of assassins off guard, and going out of stamina against HL is almost as much of a death sentence as it is against Conqueror (almost). S Tier: Shaolin - Shaolin is, in my opinion, the mix-up champ, even above Kensai. Shaolin has a fast neutral light that is extremely difficult to block on reaction, let alone parry. His side lights are not the quickest, but since you're likely forced to keep your guard top, you'll still be getting hit by them from time to time. Once he's in Qi stance, it becomes a very quick guessing game - his kick is unreactable, forcing you to dodge on prediction, and he is able to cancel his side heavies out of Qi stance into quick top lights or anything else. A Shaolin that has gotten into Qi stance and bamboozled you can easily flow back into Qi stance. While the common answer is "Just block, don't parry," attacks will still occasionally get through, and you'll just get chipped to death slowly from how a Shaolin overwhelms you with mix-ups. Going out of stamina against a Shaolin isn't as bad as HL or Conq, but it's still pretty bad, as they can effortlessly get into Qi stance and bait you to death with their unblockable top or just straight up kick you over and over. Shaolin is only at the bottom of S-tier because he has to either whiff something or land a hit before he can start up his bullshit - the other S tier characters can go right into it from a dodge, feint, or straight from neutral. Berserker - Dogiii, again, got it right in my eyes. Hyper armor on almost every attack is insane and trading doesn't feel at all like a hindrance when you hit like a truck and then keep on moving. His feints are also crazy fast and difficult to deal with. Tiandi - With mix-ups almost on par with Kensai, Tiandi claims another spot on the S tier list with his Conq-lite palm strike and quick follow up lights. While his kit is not particularly deep, it is all topped off by his palm strike, which, while *technically* slower than Conq's shield bash, certainly doesn't always feel like it. Additionally, because it is able to be followed up by a cancel-able heavy if whiffed (or a light if you're feeling lucky), you can't always be punished for it (or at least you can trade). Fast, neutral tracking lights pepper his kit with annoying death-by-a-thousand-cuts stupidity, and his dodge heavy does allow him to beat some of the more difficult bashes in the game. Conqueror - Pretty self-explanatory, with his bashes being, for lack of better words, pretty stupid, and his option select being among the strongest in the game (alongside Glad and PK). Fast lights just make him slightly more obnoxious. Warden - Warden is not necessarily better than Conq and if I could place them both at the top as the kings/queens, then I would. Shoulder bash is stupidly powerful and with it being able to be canceled at almost any point during the wind-up (and, stupidly, even for a split second AFTER it looks like it's been released), he can bait and react to almost anything any opponent has to offer. At the highest level of play, only A-tiers and S-tiers can really contend with both Warden and Conqueror. And that's about it!

[@krzysztofgorgol99]

I just realised i am a meme man - ascended from rep1 shugoki to rep2 raider main lmao :D There is also a thing that many people consider raider bad but he has a nice kit imo BUT it's slow that's it. Personally, i think faster 35dmg heavies and few chain attacks could significantly improve him!

[@Lava_Plays]

D tier- Shugoki C tier- Raider , Lawbringer, Aramusha, Centurion B tier- Nobushi, Jiang Jun, Nuxia, A tier- Peacekeeper, Orochi, Warlord, Shaolin, Shinobi, Shaman, Valkyrie, Highlander, Kensei, Tiandi S tier- Gladiator, Warden, Conquerer, Berserker. (Note closest towards the tier name are the heroes closest to the next tier lower or visa versa. This means Centurion is closer to B tier than Aramusha. This also means Nobushi is closer to C tier than Jiang Jun.) (Also Note this is a DUEL tier list. A Character like Raider is MUCH higher on the 4s tier list due to his insane CC.)

[@johnjoestar5921]

In console, Gladiator is not very good. Too slow and shorter reflex guard than the others assassins. And he is easy to defend

[@smalldiabetes]

Jhon A. Alvarez Sepúlveda he’s like well rounded i’d say

[@KutsalSayed]

Jhon A. Alvarez Sepúlveda -_you haven’t seen good gladiators it looks like

[@johnjoestar5921]

@@KutsalSayed It is possible but the point that the Gladiator has a lower reflex guard than the other assassins is a fact.

[@tylerbenci5644]

Jhon A. Alvarez Sepúlveda that doesn’t really matter tbh

[@Abyssinian97]

speaking as a glad main, shaolin has definitely overtaken gladiator tier wise. and apart from peacekeeper also being a little higher on the list than she should be, this was pretty accurate

[@7492-o6o]

Has any other Shinzo I main realised when you go for a kick combo on the old ass dude from the new update, he backs up to far to and you can’t hit the kick?

[@TheCammunist]

Been a Shugoki main since release. Still going strong. People think "ah its Shugoki. I got this." That is their first mistake. Muwhahaha

[@dandelius2820]

Hey that's me at 3:28!!!

[@davidjacobs7465]

I just recently started playing the game and I chose to main valkyrie and honestly I like what she can do (I'm getting better with her). I've seen some mixed reactions of her being over- or underpowered. It may not help me, but what do the people here think about her?

[@HonestHeartsClub]

Nobushi is d tier, especially since other staff users jiang jun and shaolin are there. She feels like a snail after you play them. Jiang jun and shaoli has so much variables they can use. Nobushi needs a speed boost some better openers and hyper armor on some things. Tiandi's kick makes her's look trash. Atleast hyper armor on the jump kick, since you can easily get knocked out the air and die.

[@majorandras7474]

Jj can avoid crushing counters and he is a hard counter to highlander

[@azkhoyo731]

Wdym avoid crushing counters?

[@valentinverna9375]

Shug Jun yeah, if you enter in sifu stance just as he make the crushing counter you dodge it, but you need good reactions

[@azkhoyo731]

@@valentinverna9375 huh ive never seen that. Is it uploaded somewhere?

[@Rat_Milk_Enthusiast]

andras major also his dodge attack has enough dodge frames to avoid the kick and grab

[@majorandras7474]

@@azkhoyo731 on agelous' channel

[@cheemers]

This is underestimating tiandi and shaolin (both S tier), and overestimating shinobi (b tier) and highlander (b tier)

[@thaiming1306]

Can we all sent this list to Ubisoft! Great vid.

[@boxcutta1901]

I don’t have trouble with turtles with centurion. His attack combos and feints are well known with people who enjoy playing him. There isn’t a big problem with centurion besides him getting a lot of hate. I don’t understand why people only hate Centurion when Kensei requires less skill; you just need to know his side dash and staggers. I’ve seriously never seen a kensei do anything else. Even prestige 60s do it too often.

[@zack4660]

Don’t worry my Raider companions, one day we will drink from the waters of Valhalla (get reworked) and we will be reborn into unstoppable killing machines.

[@brute_Ltw]

It's funny how he is in D tier but for some reason ubi thought it was a good idea to give him another nurf

[@thewalkingdude0136]

Kensei is s tier man everyone that plays as him know what there doing and always get the highest amount of kills in every match that I've been in and my friends have been in

[@Aguywithabelton]

I'm glad the gladiator is S tier!!! I just got him but also Doggi great job on your vids I really enjoy them!!

[@vJonov]

Correct for most things, solid vid

[@matthewgeary7999]

When you put centurion and aramusha at the same tier as Jiang Jun

[@Simon-lq5uk]

Glad to see dunmaglass is in a good spot on your list.

[@__-fi6xg]

I wish there was a bigger explanation because clearly a highlander or kensei is better than piece keeper in dominion. But PK has easy play against both of them in 1 on 1. However I think PKs mechanics are highly outdated from a time where defense was focus meta. She barely has anything good. Orochi is pretty much better in everything and half of the time riposte combo after deflect is brokely underpowered because even with hyper armor, her trading HP with pretty much everyone is awful. Pk players have to be very careful with their hp playing almost perfect defense and rarely offensive. I wish she had more offensive moves or was overall more viable against multiple enemys... I feel like the game is mostly balanced on dlc heros or vanguard only.

[@litamarii]

GREAT VIDEO ALSO WERE IS THE MONTAGES

[@LittleLightIsaOnce]

Honestly imo shaolin and tiandi are both higher. Like high s tier. And valk low a tier almost b because her heavy does no dmg lights r predictible at least to block and the sweep is so slow that usually ppl doge. ( in duels ) im on console btw

[@Blackwolf-ud5je]

Good job! I agree on 20 out of the 22 characters. I think Tiandi is only B, cause of the lack of s on both dodge attacks. His chain is good, but that alone is not enough. I think Shaolin is S tier. Lot of 400ms light attack, and in qi stance, he has Kensei and Warden levels of mixup.

[@Yutyo6]

Tiandi has 400ms attacks as well tho

[@aurra7622]

@@Yutyo6 äh no tho

[@yungdaggerdick4760]

Tiandi yells too dam much can't stand fighting him

[@inferiorplate8583]

Raider, Centurion, Warlord, and Nobushi are the most balanced heros in my opinion

[@timssu6397]

I'm pretty knew again to the game, which charakter should i main? I like nobushi pretty much.

[@rickymaz4844]

I don't think gladiator is S tier for two simple reasons: first reason, his guard is the shortest in the game, second reason, he can't use his zone attack whenever he wants because he would finish his stamina and then he could take a lot of damage because of his useless guard

[@tomekl3476]

To be honest i had quite easy time with shugoki. People arent prepared for him. His unblockable is that long that it can mess up your parry timing. People often dont expect hug. And gb can often screw with people. He can be as devastating as raider because of having really good dmg and good punishes and hyperarmor trades. But he suffers against turtlers. Same with raider. You can screw with people. But on high level people know that they need just to wait for you to make move. And you have no openers at all. You need to faint a lot with them. Their mixups are quite reactable. To be honest i can say that at least 4 characters in this game have same issue. Shugoki, raider, centurion and lawbringer. All of them suck against turtlers. Look at berserker. He has crazy dmg. Tons of hyperarmor and you can softfeint all of his heavy attacks. Just like wtf? He is just really good. While zerk is good and simple look at monk. He has that many options that you never know what he is gonna do next. He can punish almost anyone. Why shugoki have less hyperarmor that zerk? Shugoki need more softfeints and hyperarmor. Raider needs more options because he is just too simple. Cent need more hp and better openers (maybe buff to kick) and Lawdaddy needs hyperarmor and better openers and faster attacks (to be honest raider also need faster attacks.) Its just my opinion. I know i type too much and im not right about everything but i really enjoy nishe heroes like raider, cent or shugoki. (I know a lot of ppl also love lawbringer) so ubi give them some love.

[@HelterSeltzer_the_one]

Glad is my weakness. So I believe that he is really good in duels... and ganking.

[@Bash_Minimal]

How is berserker S tier when he lacks an opener? He completely shuts down aggressive and parry greedy players but the second someone has a neutral bash he is significantly less effective

[@dogiiiPCGaming]

Berserker is without a doubt S + Tier , 400 ms lights with HA , it is not hard to feint + his unblockables are so easy to access and he can access them without a problem since he has HA on almost every attack...I can go on forever about zerk...He is def. 10000% S Tier

[@bob6769]

Whit the new efects cent's kick and punch are now a lot easier to land but he didn't scream from the top of his heart INCREDIBILIS they could be a viable tactic but now i would sau he is more a A tier than a B but his place is still in B(cent main btw)

[@greg2146]

All wu lin = A tier

[@JoeyCentral]

Except Nuxia. She is mid B tier at best.

[@humblehat4347]

I'm a conq main, and I don't want my bash nerfed.. Yet. Once gladiators zone is 600ms, Highlanders punishes do 30 damage, Wardens shoulder bash cant be feinted while he's already moving, and Orochis lights do less damage, and Berzerker gets less health.. then I would be absolutely fine with nerfing the bash. In fact I'd appreciate it so people stop ragging on me for playing a hero that can compete with the high tiers atm.

[@nowaif9144]

Nope, Conq is the highest S tier in the game, therefore he needs the nerf first. If you don't want people raging on you then don't pick the most broken hero.

[@kskid99]

I'd probably agree with you if conq wasn't literally the highest tier hero in the game right now.

[@humblehat4347]

+Kyle Scott Conq is weak to warden and highlander. fair against gladiator, kensei, valkyrie, shinobi, jian jung, and shaolin. And the rest of the cast is pretty weak to him, no doubt. I'd say all in all, conqueror is too powerful. But I don't agree with nerfing him if you don't nerf the rest of the heroes that are too powerful.

[@humblehat4347]

@@nowaif9144 If they nerf conq, I'll just play gladiator. He plays exactly the same. Scare people with your 500ms bash, guardbreak, or use your heavies to interrupt guardbreaks.

[@nowaif9144]

@@humblehat4347 Glads zone is 600ms, not 500 making it reactable, the reason why people hate the zone is that they can't punish it. What makes it even less of a threat is that you can't just spam it all the time since it takes half your stam.

[@luko4524]

What I learned is gladiator got S tier because of his zone.

[@aidenryan4356]

No offense dogii but do you think you can make a different version of this for console because I think orochi, shaman, shaolin, and kensei all belong in S tier for that

[@dogiiiPCGaming]

I would but I do not own a console and cant say much about it...sorry mate :/

[@amos9804]

Nah, Orochi is not on the same tier as Shaolon and Kensei. I can't say anything about Shaman though because I can't decide

[@aidenryan4356]

dogiii it’s ok dogii still love the list

[@rage9667]

Orochi is hard asf to play with on console, especially when 3/4 players run up on you

[@_NeonGhost_]

Lets make centurion B tier but on the list of why lets give only negatives and no positives that seams like a good idea

[@AlaborateKane]

I dunno mate. I'm orochi main and love to use jian jun and tiandi, but i think orochi is kind of low than that because he has 0 openers or UB without deflect. He's counters are not strong, just annoying. I know i'm kinda suck at playing orochi but i think orochi is not that good much. Its better than before but..still. I think it should be on B or C.

[@oniontales.]

Played with shugoki once, my friend then compared me to roadhog from overwatch. Never played with him again.

[@preppinainteasy9965]

Good vid man...keep it up pk just dont know about her like 2 hits fro JJ and shes gone I would of swapped them 2 personally but overall excellent Vid someone said warden os better then conq well soon as they have it where he can delay his bash and make u guess on the gb he will be he can now but real noticable and have a superior block property then I would agree until then he is the strongest on the cast .....and a high level highlander is really tough.... they shouldn't be a to hold offense form without losing stam it's how they used to have him was perfect just need a damage increase they did that and let him keep his stam maybe one day they will get all there ducks in a row

[@chrisheaven9975]

Shane Ford if off stance would consume stamina Hl would be trash again Like with shaolin qi stance, before when it consumed stamina it was really bad Hl is a good hero but can be countered pretty easily His kick into caber mixup can be avoided just by walking backwards with certain heroes I’ll explain: every characters have a certain “walk speed”, example glad is the quickest one By walk speed i mean when you’re locked on and you simply walk, how “fast you move around” And knowing that you can avoid the kick Lets say you’re oos facing an Hl (you should never go oos against Hl but thats not the point) Of course you know he will try to get damage with the mixup If you keep walking backwards, you can simply wait for him to do the kick If he does it, just the kick, it will whiff Because you travel fast enough to avoid it If he does the kick into toss, since you know the kick will always whiff, you can react properly to the grab and dodge it correctly Without guessing, basically If you still dont understand check Alernakin’s channel and look for his “How to counter Hl” video Its very helpful

[@preppinainteasy9965]

I am over 240 reps in this game and have played it b4 release it would keep people from just picking him up and being instantly good I just say that because a good highlander can dance everything thrown his way in offensive form I have a rep 40 highlander and was fine with him b4 just needed a dmg increase...and yes he is easily countered playing a mediocre player when that's all they throw is 50 50s I love highlander and the way he is but him and conq are the most whined about which I can see why. But good talk my dude...

[@preppinainteasy9965]

@@chrisheaven9975 and yes conq is the one u dont want to go oos against because the spammers love this game....hl I have know problem with unless they are really high level then we just go back and fourth I usually counter pick highlander glad or kensei or I play him myself..

[@chrisheaven9975]

Shane Ford yeah people complain a lot about Hl sadly, but i really like him too If he sits in off stance is annoying but thats all he has And i dont mind fighting those types of Hl

[@nowaif9144]

In my opinion, any character without a bash to guarantee damage shouldn't even be in the A tier, I still agree with a lot of the placements tho. Can't wait for season 10 tier list when they make a character that has hammers.

[@dogiiiPCGaming]

that character might also be just a villain like Apolyon, even tho I would love that character to be a viking :)

[@tomct9745]

roughly when will you upload the season 9 tier list? ❤️

[@bY7zx]

Aramusha is D tier now since he's been nerfed to oblivion. He's not the same character that they originally advertised.

[@kskid99]

He does so much damage now when you do hit. His heavies go through guardbreak almost instantly like cents heavies, so you can't feint a heavy and gb. Laggy spamming aramusha's exist and any lag at all adds a huge amount of unfairness when trying to block his finisher feints. Those count for something. He's B tier.

[@orax8238]

Console cent is S class because his guard break is almost unreactable

[@Nova_Jan]

Bruh that intro had me thinking that you were apart of the weather channel.

[@derekgunnels4856]

D Shugoki C Lawbringer (Arguably D) Aramusha, Raider, Peacekeeper (Arguably B) B Centurion (Arguably C) Nobushi, JJ, Orochi (Arguably A) Warlord (Arguably A) A Valk (Arguably B) Shinobi (Arguably B) Nuxia, Shaman, Tiandi, Kensei, Glad (Arguably S) S Shaolin (Arguably A) Conqueror, Berserker My opinion.

[@NikimKrow]

I recently started to play this game on ps4 is lawbringer a good character to master beside the fact of is low tier?

[@dogiiiPCGaming]

well he is low tier but if you enjoy him , have fun

[@mrbeef7874]

Console tier list D- Shugo, lawdad, C-Nobushi, shinobi, musha, raider B-Cent, PK, warlord, nuxia A-Glad, orochi, kensi, tiandi, warden, valk, sham S-Zerker, jiang jun, shao, Highlander, conq, And if you’re asking why jiang is in S you’re probably a pc player

[@midnitewulftrg6079]

I think its just because I’m on console, idk, but shinobi are not good, the only thing you can’t predict about them is the light spam

[@cordmoody4107]

I don't necessarily agree with Highlanders placement as he is just really REALLY slow with not too many mixups

[@kskid99]

Me too. People roll away from EVERYTHING.

[@TheRedNaxelaYouTube]

How the hell is centurion D tier?! He is so incredibly overpowered! High damage, reasonable speed, eats your stamina for breakfast, can put you on the floor when you have stamina, extremely powerful punishments. One mistake and half of your health is gone at least. Can cancel most of his attacks straight into GB you can't react to...

[@BoDAssassin]

He said he was in B tier

[@garrettschuppner5995]

Where is highlander. I don't know if I just skipped him but can somebody tell me

[@patrikkajari527]

You're saying that kensei is better than tiandi, it's your oppinion and I respect it, but it makes me wonder wether you're drunk or not

[@Sevatar_VIIIth]

Is this list pretty accurate for console (PS4)?

[@peter4real355]

Is there any vid about the ranking of level 3 bots?

[@dragonlolislayer8631]

I subscribed because of the super Mario galaxy opening

[@bibang7773]

JJ is like nobushi 2.0 nuxia is orochi 2.0 shaolin is a mixture of all samurais characters.