'I Know What I'm Trying To Get At': Blackburn Clashes With Pro-Choice Witness About Fetal Heartbeats

[@slaakattak]

'Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.' George Orwell

[@annmalleybooks]

I can't upvote this quote enough. Thank you, Zeke.

[@Finangleydoo]

"Sounds like this can be applied to either side." -Albert Rodgers

[@armandoperez7108]

I was not talking about an elderly confused person. I was mentioning it to underline the fact that a fetus is not self-conscious right from the start. the medial prefrontal cortex gets a quick development at 4 to 5 months. Without it, it is very difficult to be self-conscious. Self-consciousness is the awareness of one's self, including one's physical and psychological attributes, values, and actions. Developmental psychologists suggest that self-consciousness begins to emerge in infancy and continues to develop through childhood and adolescence. During the first few months of life, infants start to recognize their own bodies and distinguish them from the environment. They begin to develop a sense of "self" and "non-self." As infants grow and become more mobile, they start to explore their surroundings and interact with others, which further develops their sense of self. Around 18 months, toddlers show signs of self-awareness by recognizing themselves in the mirror and pointing at their own body parts when asked. By age 3 or 4, children begin to develop a more complex sense of self-consciousness, including a sense of personal identity, self-esteem, and self-evaluation. Overall, self-consciousness is a gradual and ongoing process that starts in infancy and continues to develop throughout life. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3351035/#:~:text=Reflective%20self%2Dawareness%20emerges%20between,%2C%201995b%20for%20alternative%20interpretations).

[@richardcarte]

@@FinangleydooAmen

[@marystout248]

If a Mars rover came across something with a beating heart, NASA would be so excited.

[@rubiks6]

If a Mars rover came across something with DNA, NASA would be so excited.

[@RoseGoodwin-m7l]

If they found a Micorop on Mars we be putting billions into it wouldn't we...

[@sysprogmanadhoc2785]

If anyone came across a prolifer with a working brain, we'd all get excited

[@Borvo1]

@@sysprogmanadhoc2785 Yes, these pro-lifers do not seem to realize that there are folks in hospitals who have beating hearts but no higher level brain functions and the USA does allow the machines keeping that person alive to be turned off. Senator Blackburn's talking of "living being" and "evidence of life" and her delusions of what those terms mean are a chimera. SMH

[@subforceusa694]

Your statement should be on every billboard in the nation! That should make people think twice. Excellent comment!

[@brendawilkie1330]

If they think it's not a life, then tell these women seeking an abortion, go home your not pregnant...

[@annmalleybooks]

If it's not ''life' then there's no need to go in for an abortion because there's nothing alive inside that woman. Nothing to concern herself with. If a beating heart were not a sign of life, then I'd sue these abortion doctors for malpractice by using a costly injection to stop that heart from beating. Seriously. Stopping the heart is a wholly unnecessary procedure if the beating is no indication of life.

[@americanatheart110]

They are not calling it baby they are saying it's a cist that u can cut off and burn it.

[@littleang7089]

I love this.

[@dianakidd4219]

“ can you clarify what you’re trying to get at” when the senator asks if a babies heart beat is evidence of life. These people are evil.

[@justineslick6463]

Yes they are

[@drackoni-han13]

Plants vegetables and animals are alive until we eat them

[@dianakidd4219]

@@drackoni-han13 Oh so you want to eat babies now. God said he put the plants, vegetables and animals here FOR US TO EAT. Not human babies. Come quickly Lord Jesus.

[@jakes9577]

​@@drackoni-han13yes but comparing humans to animals and plants aside them being living organisms is idiotic

[@johnorr8094]

@@drackoni-han13 Near as I can tell, humans don't eat their young.

[@happycamper1372]

How is it when a pregnant woman is killed and the baby dies the killer is charged with 2 murders? We truly have sunk to the depths of hell in this debate when it’s not about health , but convenience.

[@citizen2x]

Good question

[@Baresark]

Where I'm from 27 babies were found to be living after a late term abortion (5months) in a one year period (2015). They are then left to die in a hospital setting. If a woman was to give birth prematurely outside of an abortion setting, whether through deliberate inducement or just because it happened, and she and her husband dumped the living premmie somewhere, they would be up on charges possibly for murder. I can't see the difference, if we are willing to endorse killing children what hope has western civilization got? Just so horrified.

[@LogicAndCompassion]

Well said. For decades now, doctor's have forsaken their oaths to "Do no harm". It's not solely the fault of doctors, but they also didn't put up much of a fight. Did you ever wonder, why it was so difficult to find a doctor with a skeptical opinion of covid vaccines? Its because, any doctor affiliated with a hospital (which is all of them), are contractually obligated to parrot any and all opinions held by hospital administration. If doctors want to keep their jobs,they are required to shut their mouth and nod their heads.

[@pdumpsterful]

According to the demokkkrats it's only murder if the woman wants the baby but if she doesn't it's considered a choice. The demokkkrats are sick

[@happycamper1372]

@@Baresark Doctors take an oath to do no harm! Taking a life inside or outside the womb should bring charges against them.

[@IAm1InTheIAm]

I'm a flight nurse in a remote region of America. Two nights ago, I was called in to my community clinic, where the frantic parents of a 2 week old infant was brought in, pulseless, apneic, and lifeless, apparently a SIDS baby. We went to work, and were able to revive the child- his little heart began beating again on its own. He was a fighter. We flew that little guy over three mountain ranges, hundreds of miles, to present a living human being to the awaiting neonate team. That precious soul fought for his life, and still is currently. I, and many other compassionate and dedicated professionals, will walk through fire to give this little guy, and others, a chance at a life that heartless monsters are trying to take away before they are even born. The sheer hypocrisy of civilization is that the best-and worst-of humanity can be seen only days apart- and that is tragic. And criminal. 😥 😔 I'm not giving him up. I have a new hero. He's 16 days old. -and counting. Pray for him.❤

[@lanaofficiel4042]

I am praying 🙏 RIGHT NOW. LORD JESUS, PLEASE, PLEASE PUT A HEDGE OF PROTECTION AROUND THIS TINY WARRIOR AND GIVE WISDOM TO HIS CAREGIVERS, IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, AMEN!!!

[@dodieodie498]

I will. "Unto the least of these...."

[@Teri_B.]

@1kewlglamma They're pregnant WOMEN, not pregnant PEOPLE. And, that simply is NOT true. EVERY hospital provides services to EVERYONE equally, regardless of their insurance coverage, lack of insurance or ability to pay. MILLIONS of pregnant women entering our country illegally are giving birth without paying a single penny. 25% are admitted to the NIC unit because of lack of prenatal care. Citizens are unable to receive services in local hospitals because of overcrowding by illegals. Citizens are often transferred hundreds of miles away to receive the care they need. NO ONE is turned away from hospitals. NO ONE. 🇺🇸🙏🏼💞

[@lizzieb6311]

@1kewlglamma you’re clearly not capable,of understanding the parallels…and the DIFFERENCE between GHOULS rushing to SLAY their baby and PARENTS rushing to SAVE their baby. Did you drink your glass of baby blood this morning for breakfast?

[@georgewood7381]

​@@Teri_B. I couldn't have said it better myself.

[@thefish5861]

These people never answer these questions, because they know the truth of what they’re doing.

[@vickiroman189]

As Tom MacDonald says, "Bacteria is life on mars but a heartbeat isn't life on earth? Weird."

[@jeanstrickland2445]

They should play that video in that room #HOG that would be hilarious to watch their reactions 😂😂

[@charlesjohnson3625]

"Life" in these cases is to be implied as "human life." Just about every person who quotes that has probably eaten meat at some point, and that meat had a heartbeat too.

[@JackHaveman52]

@@charlesjohnson3625 Eating meat is a part of our diet and has been for hundreds of thousands of years, probably millions of years. We're not the only ones that are carnivores. However, we've developed a social understanding that ALL human life has value and that human has been granted equal rights and opportunities under the law. We either apply that principle to ALL human life or we might as well through the idea of human civil rights out the window. When we try to expand that principle to all life, we going to run into convoluted legal issues that it would be impossible to solve.....because where does it stop? Could I be charged if I kill a mouse, maybe that deer fly that just bit my ear? I know that if I eat an eagle's egg, right after it's been fertilised and laid, I will do jail time but I'm allowed to kill a human egg right after it's been fertilised. How does that even make sense.

[@wandasetzer1469]

@@JackHaveman52 Abortion has existed for hundreds of thousands of years.

[@vickiroman189]

@@JackHaveman52 100%

[@myentertainmentmypuppies8865]

It's so annoying to debate over this whether it's life or not in those early stage of pregnancy...is there ANY human being in history or alive today who haven't gone through those "insignificant days" in mother's womb?

[@ColonelFredPuntridge]

There are plenty of people alive today who haven't been inside their mother's body against her will. I, for instance, was welcome inside my mother's body, from conception until birth.

[@helenn6061]

Precisely! This semantics claim that a foetus isn't a child is like saying a teen isn't a young adult. Sickeningly denialist. It revolts me that they pretend in their head what is happening isn't happening.

[@notyourtypicalcomment2399]

And the child shouldn’t pay for that with their life, if a husband doesn’t want to be married anymore should they murder their spouse? No They can wait for divorce, well the mother can wait 9 months, after that she can be on her way, the child doesn’t have to be murdered, weaker members of the family shouldn’t be seen as disposable because a person with greater power decided that they want nothing to do with them.

[@ColonelFredPuntridge]

@@notyourtypicalcomment2399 The spouse is not located inside the husband's body. So the two situations are not analogous at all. RE: "Well, the mother can wait 9 months...." The 9 months are not the main problem. The main problem is what happens at the end of the 9 months. But even if it weren't, sure, the patient can wait 9 months, _if she is willing to_ but if she's not, then you have no business trying to force them on her. Oh, and murder is entirely irrelevant to this discussion. No one here is talking about murder.

[@helenn6061]

@@ColonelFredPuntridge of course the discussion is about murder. What crime are women charged with if they self abort, or get an unlicenced person to perform the abortion? And it really depresses me to see women being treated like men who sometimes have a foetus in them.. Women were created to nurture life in our wombs. So infanticide of a baby so fragile and vulnerable it needs to be protected by a womb and pelvic bone is entirely compatible with any other human under our care.

[@nsmccoy2345]

The fact that we are having to discuss whether it’s ok to kill a baby or not shows how far we have declined as a civilization!!!

[@lynx1357-f3c]

A doctor who can't come up with a response to whether or not a heartbeat is an indication of life? God help us all...

[@ColonelFredPuntridge]

Suppose you transplanted a beating heart, with a supply of nutrients to keep it beating, into a corpse. Then the corpse would have an audible heartbeat, until the supply of nutrients ran out. During that time, would the corpse with the beating heart inside it be alive? What if you transplanted the beating-heart-plus-nutrients into a manikin? Would the manikin be alive, until the nutrient-supply ran out and the heart stopped beating?

[@RootzRockBand]

@@ColonelFredPuntridgeYour question is flawed because the premise did not pertain to a corpse or a manikin. The question at hand pertained to a living human infant in the womb of a mother. It’s shameful that you attempt to steer the conversation into some absurd scenario that involves a corpse or a manikin, when you know that the heart you discuss is inside of a “living human child”. Your line of questioning shows that you are heartless and very sad.

[@ColonelFredPuntridge]

@@RootzRockBand Excuse me. I'm not trying to steer anything. I'm only pointing out that something can display an audible heartbeat and still not be alive. Therefore, an audible heartbeat, by itself, is not enough to qualify as evidence of human life. Any claim you make that this is "steering" the conversation in any direction is something from you, not from me. Personally, I don't care if an unborn baby is alive, or when life begins, or any of that distractive govno. Even if it is alive, if it's inside my body, being sheltered and sustained by my internal organs, then I get to decide how long to let it stay there, no matter what it is and no matter what will happen to it when it leaves. I would be entitled to get rid of it even if it were a fully-aware person, standing up inside me, playing a violin, and solving previously-unsolved math problems. If all the human beings in the whole world were (somehow) located inside my body, then I would have a right to get rid of them, or, to spare the ones I like, and get rid of the ones I don't like. If God were located inside my body than I would have a right to kill God.

[@OhNo-jq6iz]

If anyone was wondering how we got to a point where people cant define what a “woman” is, this is where it started. How can we define “woman” if we cant even define what “alive” is ? I’ll be honest, I’ve always supported access to early-stage abortion for certain circumstances… but the more I learn, the more I’m changing my mind. Take the idiotic example from the person who cant even spell mannequin. You cant transplant a “beating heart” into a corpse, because necrosis of the tissue has already began once the previous heart stopped beating. A person in a coma, on the other hand, is STILL ALIVE because their heart is still beating, even if the brain is “dead”. The doctor doesnt pronounce them dead till the heart stops, or till the “plug” is pulled, causing the heart to stop.

[@Borvo1]

She was hesitating, because she knew how Senator Blackburn was going to twist her response. Pro-lifers, like Senator Blackburn do not seem to realize, or want to recognize, that there are folks in hospitals who have beating hearts but no higher level brain functions and the USA does allow the machines keeping that person alive to be turned off. Senator Blackburn's talking of "living being" and "evidence of life" and her delusions of what those terms mean are a chimera.

[@sherryh7485]

My beautiful blue eyed niece passed away last month. Her daughter traveled here from England, 6 months pregnant, and had to be rushed to the hospital to deliver her baby. So tiny! And so well formed! He's still in the excellent preemie care of the hospital, my grandniece and her husband are glued to that place. I write this to say, how can anyone contemplate a late term procedure, especially if they can see the tiny babies who thrive in the expert care of medical professionals?

[@dodieodie498]

They don't look at it. They don't want to look at it. They don't use words like, "baby", "alive", "growing", "FE T I c id e", "boy", "girl", "son", "daughter", "kill". They use words like "pregnancy", "tissue", "evacuation", "curettage", "procedure", "D&C". The girls don't see an ultrasound. They don't hear the heartbeats or the swish swish of the monitor. They are told that any kicks or movements are their bodies "adjusting" or "shifting" or "expanding". They are not reminded of the development stage or told the sex. They are told that this is a blob of cells, and if they go to sleep for a little bit and pay a little bill, then the technicians will just vacuum out the uterus and get rid of the pregnancy material. Check out some of the "medical" websites! I was just perusing Medline, Healthline, WebMD, etc. They have SCRUBBED all reference to the baby or even to the fetus. They are now, pretty much ACROSS THE BOARD, referring to the baby as "pregnancy tissue". UNBELIEVABLE. There are really evil things happening right now.

[@iputthemeinmediocre]

It must be gut wrenching for them to do. I'd imagine it's the most difficult decision that they'd ever have to make, considering they most likely wanted that pregnancy to begin with if they have carried to a later term. Wouldn't you think? Third trimester abortions are very rare. They're also only done if the life of the mother depends on it or if it's found to be more humane than carrying to term due to fetal health. The mother need not be shamed for making such an excruciating decision with the help of her doctor. She certainly does deserve to have that choice and deserves to make that decision in private.

[@lv4077]

@@iputthemeinmediocreYour characterization is not what most people are referring to.Late term abortion in the situation you present is accepted by the majority of women it’s the capricious use of this avenue that’s objectionable.I would imagine late term abortion for convenience is extremely rare but the mention of its acceptability and legality sets many people off.Early abortions for convenience,up to 6 weeks , are frequent and do appear to be the area of greatest contention

[@JackHaveman52]

@@iputthemeinmediocre Do you know how they perform a late term abortion? They inject the infant, while in the womb, so it dies and then induce labour so the mother can give birth to the dead child. They induce labour because natural birth is still the safest and most practical way to get the child from the womb. If the mother is unable to give birth naturally, they perform a c-section. So why cause the child to die to extract it from the womb if they can bring it out alive? I've asked this of many people. Under what circumstances is it absolutely impossible for a mother to give birth to a child in the late stages of pregnancy? I'm not getting it. They can get the infant out dead but NOT alive? That doesn't make sense to me and if I'm wrong show me how I'm wrong.

[@JackHaveman52]

@@lv4077 Murder isn't acceptable even if it's rare, very rare or extremely rare.

[@JeremiahMendoza-w5v]

life is life death is death

[@jdubwilson2689]

You have to be alive,before you can die, the taking of a life on purpose, well what would you call it besides the A word!

[@xru100]

I am just wondering - if that's not a living being inside, then how come someone can be charged with double murder in case of pregnant mothers....

[@yeayeasautoadventures]

and laughing while she is asking for clarification,pure evil

[@douglemay7989]

Laughing at any mention of gun control, pure evil.

[@Patriot1777]

Don't murder human beings period

[@honpot2016]

so can we ban assault rifes?

[@k.p.9990]

So your anti gun?

[@freechair4890]

Guns are not acts of violence. We don’t want to ban forceps, we want to ban their use in the act of murder.

[@drackoni-han13]

An early fetus an hour day week old is more living human tissue, bit like sperm than a "living human being" Ignoring the difference between a 1 hr embryo and a 9 month fetus is pure dishonesty

[@Patriot1777]

@@drackoni-han13 keep sperm away from your cew,cew and this would all be fantasy.

[@arbonneladyTN]

Amazing lady Marsha is! So glad to have had a small part in getting her elected here in TN! Well done Marsha!

[@yvonneplant9434]

She took some mickey mouse major in college. But, you know... get elected to Congress and become an expert.

[@geluns2801]

​@@yvonneplant9434 .. did you attend that class. Just asking since you seem to be knowledgeable about mickey mouse. I believe the lady to be among the "few" true representatives of America. God Bless

[@honpot2016]

u are woke lady

[@pauladufour7594]

I've seen Marsha behave like a true leader. She made strong and salient points about the damage that some modern tools cause our children. But she is too strident in this fight. She is performing for the camera. She is not paying attention to what the laws that have been passed are actually doing at the community level. She has abandoned a whole community of women who want their babies that cannot carry to term. Miscarriages claim 15-20% of all REPORTED pregnancies. The standard care for miscarriage is an abortion. Why? Because a miscarriage doesn't always clear the body of everything left behind. When you give birth, first comes the baby then the placenta. If all of the placenta isn't delivered, it is a medical problem that must be dealt with. A miscarriage may leave behind tissues that can become infected. It is that infection that causes damage and scarring to the mother and causes infertility. That infection (sepsis) is also what can cause the mother to die. This happened often before doctors learned how to provide proper care. That proper care is abortion. Remember abortion is a procedure not a reason or a cause. Legislators are trying to legislate morality. They didn't succeed with Prohibition when they were trying to curb drinking alcohol in the working classes. You can only teach morality. God judges when we fall short. He has a major advantage over us mere mortals, He knows the heart of the person He judges. We definitely do not. There is no medical way to determine if an abortion procedure is being performed for frivolous reasons. If a decision to use the procedure abortion is made, it should be allowed to be made by the mother with counsel from a doctor and in concert with the mother's religious beliefs. Death is all around us. We allow homeless people to die in the street. We judge them unworthy, unwilling to just pull themselves together, failures in life. We take the role of God too often when we should be taking the role God gave us. Feed the poor. House the homeless. Welcome the foreigner. Love thy neighbor. Be pure in your heart. Before you believe you can see the darkness in someone else's.

[@douglemay7989]

@@pauladufour7594 Great post, but this audience struggles with Dr. Seuss.

[@IDriveHackneys]

I could hardly listen to this! Thank God for the brave representation from Blackburn! 🇺🇸🌸💪

[@dodieodie498]

Call your Congressman.

[@KK-ol3bf]

It's morally inconsistent that in one room you're fighting for the life of a 23 weeker, and in the next room you're terminating a baby at 28,32 weeks.... such a clear ethical dilemma that needs to be resolved

[@drackoni-han13]

Nothing objectively suggests human live has the same right at different stages of development

[@trajay1183]

It’s a fallacy to believe abortions happen at ‘28, 32 weeks.’ You’re very gullible 😅

[@Alice-iu7gx]

​​@@drackoni-han13And nothing ​suggests the opposite. Actually, children are more protected in the law since they're vulnerable human beings.

[@drackoni-han13]

@@Alice-iu7gx Which means you agree pro-life has no argument. The default position is to do things until it can be shown reasons not to do them As for children, babies are instantiated from point of birth, hence the abortion argument doesn't apply to them

[@Alice-iu7gx]

@@drackoni-han13 "Nothing objectively suggests human life has the same right at different stages of development" So are you saying that the right of life of a human being depends on their age?

[@bonitabusby6466]

That's just outright murder

[@dodieodie498]

In the tens of millions since Roe.

[@ColonelFredPuntridge]

No, abortion is not murder. When it is done at the request of the womb-owner, it is a form of righteous, justifiable homicide.

[@douglemay7989]

@@dodieodie498 Two third graders.

[@annapharr6482]

This is so hurtful hearing her describe what these horrible people do to a precious life. But what makes no sense to me is that these people actually have children and feel this way about destroying a life.

[@DonHG32]

We destroy life all the time, so how and why is an abortion anymore important than any other life we extinguish? It's not YOUR kid on the chopping block is it? Why would you care what someone in Tennessee or Colorado or Wyoming decides to do with her pregnancy or not? How does it affect you in any way? "Stand your ground" and "self defence" laws justify lethal violence and very often we celebrate those individuals who use it as an excuse to kill. Waging war seeks to justify the use of catastrophic, indiscriminate lethal violence -"collateral damage" for example - in order to achieve a national objective. The death penalties in various states are another example of taking lives while seeking to justify them in legal AND moral terms. In many ways life to us is not precious at all as we have demonstrated that countless times when conditions permit. All we seem to need is a moral and legal interpretation that satisfies our consciences enough in order to achieve a particular outcome. If the conditions are met then we find all sorts of ways to eagerly embrace the taking of a life. My question to you is why the one is sacred while none of the others mentioned are?

[@SharkVsTree]

They're words. If you're hurt by them, the pain is coming from you. Whether it makes sense to you or not, we're allowed not to agree about the sanctity of life in this country. It's a right the First Amendment affords us. And people who study and understand the scientific process of pregnancy and birth don't necessarily agree that there is sufficient reason to believe any real harm is being done by terminating a pregnancy, typically up until around the third trimester. They think about it probably in a very similar way to how you don't think about the lives that are taken or deprived in order to feed and house you everyday, for example. It's just a fact of life. People make mistakes, and there are many different ways to address them. Not all of them pretty. Sometimes lives end because of it. Because when you're building up life from two cells, it takes time for it to develop into something that is capable of sensing its environment at all. About six and a half months, when it comes to humans. It also takes roughly that same amount of time, on average, for a fetus to even begin to become capable of sustaining its own life outside of the womb, and in case that should occur prior to full term, it is pretty much guaranteed to include artificial respiration for some time after birth. Often years, and often resulting in significant health issues for the rest of their life. If the fetus can't possibly survive outside of her body, then whose body is it, really? Because it would seem to be effectively functioning as any of her other organs do at that point. Taking nutrients from her blood, metabolizing them into energy to perform a task, then discarding gaseous wastes in the blood as it is pumped out, via her own heartbeat. Some other rights afforded to people that we all possess in America are a right to privacy (Fourth Amendment), none of us are subject to involuntary servitude to anyone else's moral beliefs without legislative consensus or due process of law (Thirteenth Amendment), and that we all possess equal rights to life and liberty, and equal treatment under the law. This includes pregnant women (Fourteenth Amendment). To whom none of these rights happen to apply are the unborn, due to the biological fact that they are not individuals, and as such do not meet the basic requirement for constitutional rights which explicitly apply to "persons" or "citizens," whom are individuals by definition. Thus, a pregnant woman possesses every right to decide what to do about what goes on inside of her own body, unless due process has discovered the she either A) committed a crime serious enough to separate her from regular society (even then she retains most rights), or B) she is unable to make reasonable decisions on her own behalf and has been adjudicated mentally defective. The United States was founded upon the concept of liberty so that we'd work together while learning to live with some differences. Abortion is one of them. I wish people would let the abortion issue go. This could be a much better country if we could just agree that the right to bodily autonomy is not to be violated. Exactly in the same way you have a right not to take a vaccine, for example. Because if we affect one, we set precedent to affect the other. And I don't know about you, but I'm not real fond of the idea of the government telling me what to do with my own body. As a whole, the people who have been running it lately don't seem to be very reasonable or even good at much. And I honestly don't think this would be an issue that the founders of this country would even have begun to entertain at all. It just seems to lead to nothing but bad ideas. Which is a bad way to justify telling other people what to do about something you have no intention of taking responsibility for, under circumstances you can't possibly understand, in order to save a life you'll have nothing whatsoever to do with.

[@trentjacobs3957]

​@@SharkVsTree Saying that an innocent little boy or girl is not an individual, and in effect saying that everyone that's ever lived is not an individual during rhe first six months of their life, is plainly observable and verifiable bullshit. We are all individuals from the time we come into existence until we die, regardless of what you or me or anyone else thinks about someone else's life or their vakue, or in the case your trying to make......who is disposable and when. That's evil. We all exist, we all matter, and none of us get a "choice" to kill someone else just because we want to, even if the victim is your own son or daughter.

[@rebekah0207]

@@SharkVsTree With you, I am against the idea of forced vaccines, as well as forced mRNA therapeutics. I agree with you that bodily autonomy is extremely important. However I would argue that the unborn deserve protection of their bodily autonomy as well. The fetus/baby is a separate human being and is not the same as the mother's kidney/liver/spleen, etc. A baby has a heartbeat by 5 weeks and is fully formed at 12 weeks. Tearing apart a human being, even a tiny unconscious one, is barbaric. A woman usually can and should make choices about her body prior to participating in the creation of a new human being. After that she has responsibilities as well as rights. In addition, millions of women have been permanently injured psychologically, emotionally and spiritually damaged by having abortions. There are many women who regret their abortion but felt they had no other choice. When abortion is legal, parents, partners, abusers and traffickers can easily coerce women into having an abortion. So restrictions that prevent coercion of women and the killing of viable babies should not be controversial. Most of Europe restricts abortions to 12-14 weeks. It is insane that the political Left is committed to abortion rights through 9 months of pregnancy.

[@SharkVsTree]

@@rebekah0207 *"However I would argue that the unborn deserve protection of their bodily autonomy as well. The fetus/baby is a separate human being and is not the same as the mother's kidney/liver/spleen, etc."* Indeed a fetus is not, by any reasonable measure, a "separate human being" for the extent of a pregnancy, but especially so for the majority of a pregnancy (~6.5 months on average, roughly equivalent to the first two trimesters of a pregnancy), and this should surprise no one with a sufficient understanding of the processes of human gestation. Beyond the point that a fetus is capable of surviving outside of the womb (fetal viability), it needs more time to develop the organs necessary to maximize it's survival. Mainly I am referring to the lungs, which are one of the last organs to develop into an independently functional state, and are absolutely necessary to oxygenate the baby's blood independently of its mother's body. *"A baby has a heartbeat by 5 weeks and is fully formed at 12 weeks."* This fact is entirely irrelevant if the fetus cannot possibly survive outside of the womb, which it certainly cannot at this stage of its development. Coincidentally, life existed before a heartbeat, before the gametes formed into a zygote, even. Sexual reproduction happens to be the method that humans propagate life, which began eons ago. *"Tearing apart a human being, even a tiny unconscious one, is barbaric."* Then I would suggest you avoid indulging yourself in worrying about such things, particularly when they don't involve you at all. That value judgment in particular would seem mainly to be the concern of the doctor performing said abortion. If the doctor can handle it professionally, and the woman requesting the abortion in accordance with her own will can accept it, then what does your opinion about it matter? *"A woman usually can and should make choices about her body prior to participating in the creation of a new human being."* She should, certainly. So should a man. They're both responsible for a pregnancy. But sometimes contraception fails. Sometimes people act irrationally in passion. Sometimes people act irresponsibly due to inebriation. Sometimes women are sexually assaulted and impregnated against their own will. Sometimes the change in hormone levels present a threat to the health of the pregnant woman. Sometimes a fetus malforms. You get the idea. What should those women do? And why should your judgment about them make any difference, particularly when you're constitutionally barred from invading their privacy in order to make a reasonable judgment about it? *"After that she has responsibilities as well as rights."* To whom? *"In addition, millions of women have been permanently injured psychologically, emotionally and spiritually damaged by having abortions. There are many women who regret their abortion but felt they had no other choice."* The consequences of a decision they should not be barred outright from making in accordance with their own circumstances, according to their own morals. No one is suggesting that abortion doesn't come with consequences. Like any other potentially life-changing decision, it certainly does, and that is something they should consider before making any decision. "Can I live with this?" Coincidentally, many more women, it would appear, have learned to live with that decision and make peace with it, going on to have children and good relationships later in their lives. That some of them make choices that cause them to suffer is no excuse to deny them constitutional rights to their own bodies. *"When abortion is legal, parents, partners, abusers and traffickers can easily coerce women into having an abortion."* Coercion is illegal, and measures are in place (and in my opinion, are necessary) to insure that this is not the case when a woman inquires seriously about an abortion. No one is saying coercion should be legal, but doctors can only make decisions upon information of this nature through how it is presented to them, in good faith. Should a doctor or his staff be allowed to inquire further or deny service if a woman is perceived to be lying about her circumstances? The question is, how do we best protect the interests of women who find themselves in such circumstances? *"So restrictions that prevent coercion of women and the killing of viable babies should not be controversial."* I agree wholeheartedly. Was someone arguing in favor of coercion? *"Most of Europe restricts abortions to 12-14 weeks. It is insane that the political Left is committed to abortion rights through 9 months of pregnancy."* It is not insane at all. It's a legitimate consequence of the concept of individual rights, and the fact that the unborn possess none of them, due to the fact that they literally are not individuals. Late term abortion may seem as barbaric to you as it does to me, but neither of us understand the circumstances of a given pregnancy, so to restrict abortion outright after a certain time frame violates a pregnant woman's Thirteenth and Fourteenth Amendment rights. The opposite side of the coin is that to deny abortion at any stage is to subject a woman to involuntary servitude to a will that is not her own, forcing her to risk her own body. Is that not equal to coercion? And for what purpose? To protect a life you have no intention of taking responsibility for, under circumstances you do not understand? Might this have the unintended consequences? Say, to overwhelm adoption systems? I don't know, but is the quality of life of the child with respect to its continued development not something we should be considering in all of this? Or are we just using a baby as a means to punish a woman for behaving promiscuously? You'll be glad to know that even under Roe, in 2020, less than 1% of abortions occurred after 21 weeks in the United States, according to the CDC. This demonstrates that American women possess a very strong aversion to late term abortion, which is only understandable.

[@janetcross2797]

This is great woman she deserves respect they can’t answer If I only had a brain yes you are right

[@briandwiggins1576]

Saying a baby isn't a baby until it's born is like saying an apple isn't an apple until it falls from the tree.

[@nursejulie3636]

Remember this administration gender affirming is medical care when your castrating a minor. Reproduction Healthcare is killing babies the second until birth. Standing on principle makes you a horrible person to the left, because this is all in your best interest.

[@soulpowerful]

Excellent analogy

[@dodieodie498]

Imagine it. Your life isn't a life if you are standing on the wrong side of the door.

[@HandleThisSelection2]

​@@soulpowerful Pretty stupid analogy. If my cat has kittens in my oven, does that mean I'm having biscuits for breakfast? No.

[@amstock5512]

@@HandleThisSelection2 You lost me. It wouldn’t matter if the mother cat gave birth to her kittens in your oven or anywhere else for that matter. Your oven isn’t birthing the kittens. Kittens come from cats, puppies come from dogs, apples come from apple trees, and humans give birth to other humans. We should be able to agree on basic biology.

[@paullandry8181]

What she's getting at is simple sweetheart, Is a Heartbeat a Sign of Life? Honest people would obviously say yes. You don't have to be a doctor to realize simple truths.

[@billyclub9863]

If a woman can decide whether she wants to be a Mom, why does the father not have a choice?? Why can't he say, I'm out! No child support!!!

[@marshatolbert154]

Legally, child support belongs to the child, not the custodial parent. Also, let's be frank, many non-custodial parents do, in fact, simply refuse to support their children. They may have been court ordered to do so, but manage to weasel out all the same. This makes them despicable, not commendable.

[@SharkVsTree]

Because he's responsible for impregnating someone else's body, which he has precisely zero control over. She gets to decide what to do about the pregnancy, and he gets to deal with the consequences of her choice. This is why you should be very sure about whose vagina you choose to put your sperm inside of before you do so, or who you allow anywhere near your ejaculate, for that matter. Because after that point, what occurs is completely outside of your control.

[@1blastman]

In 1915, my grandmother was having trouble with her pregnancy, the local doctors encouraged her to abort the baby, for her own survival, but she refused to kill her soon to be born child. She was in an area where illegal, but "safe" abortions were performed. She told the doctors that "God could not forgive her for killing her baby, and she could not forgive herself." She felt the love she had for her child in her womb. She went on to give birth her third child in January of 1916. The baby was premature, but survived. My grandmother sadly died one month after giving birth. That child grew up to marry and had two children of which I am the oldest. I am married and my wife and I have two sons. Both are married and one has a son. So, three generations later, my family is thriving thanks to the courage and strong faith that my grandmother had. My grandmother made a decision based on her bonding with her child, faith and the risks at the time, to keep her baby to term and risk her life in the process. My family is forever grateful to her for that. Now, if a woman chooses to terminate her pregnancy, and kill her baby, that's her legal option, but my faith tells me to thank God every day that I can live this life thanks to the faith and love of my grandmother. If a woman decides to terminate their pregnancy for no good reason, she will have to answer to God for eternity.

[@pauladufour7594]

We are risking generations of women with laws that are not doing what people want done. You cannot determine whether an abortion procedure was performed for a frivolous reason or for a medically critical reason by looking at abortion statistics. Abortion is a procedure. It is not a description of the cause that brought about the decision to have the procedure. Doctor...I performed an abortion. The Mother... My water broke and it was too early. The baby was dying and I might die too unless the doctor performed an abortion. The Mother... I was in a car accident and I was bleeding heavily. I was at 17 weeks and the baby couldn't survive. My body was too damaged to have an induced delivery. The doctor performed an abortion to save my life. Would you deny those mothers the health care they needed? Would you deny them abortions? Would you make them wait until the brink of death to perform an inevitable abortion? Legally you are alive until you're not. At what point along that continuum of the recognition that death will occur until the instant prior to death, do you allow the doctor to provide the standard care? Lawmakers must do a better job writing unambiguous laws regarding reproductive care. There is too much at stake. Too much that is irreversible. Let us make the health care statisticians break out abortions by all causes. You might just find out that many of those abortions are caused by miscarriages. You might just find out that many of those late term abortions are caused by stillbirths or needed to save the life of a mother not healthy enough to go through a delivery of any type. You might just find some of those abortions were caused by non-viable fetuses. You might just find out that the mother may have become sterile or died because the abortion was not performed. Everyone is trying to stop frivolous abortions with insufficient knowledge. They see every abortion as an act by a woman trying to avoid her responsibilities. They don't see the women who want their babies and have no choice but to have an abortion. They don't see the women who cannot live through any pregnancy. Pregnancy is complicated so don't treat the writing of laws regarding pregnancy frivolously.

[@juliawildasin4649]

The point is that the baby in the womb, being human, has the same right to life as the mom but abortion laws do not protect that baby's right to live. Most abortions are to healthy babies and healthy moms, not all the scenarios you wrote about.

[@robertmiller6383]

They could always have a c section...

[@xyeB]

A beating heart is a sign of life.

[@drackoni-han13]

chickens pigs and cows and fish all have heartbeats, and we even eat those

[@tannerholmes1587]

@@drackoni-han13 Do we eat other humans? Stop making excuses. Humans obviously operate with a higher level of consciousness.

[@Alice-iu7gx]

​​@@drackoni-han13the point is that a lot of those people even deny those babies are alive. Absolutely lunatic.

[@SwanOnChips]

❤️ Keep up the good work Marsha❗

[@Katclem77]

So basically they treat babies as death row imates who receive a lethal injection to stop their hearts. That is quite depraved and disturbing.

[@drackoni-han13]

There are many forms of abortion. One is to take pills which terminates the pregnancy

[@StateOfMind63]

It's utterly horrifying. Anyone ok with that is surely a psychopath.

[@roystonboodoo7525]

Dr Rubenhorst is the 1st amongst the best witnesses I have heard at Congressional hearings (though limited ). ... straightforward, fair, balanced; in stark contrast to the witness at vid start. The governor refers to "the infant", hence a human being, thence MURDER. (but nowadays anything can be changed thru mere verbalizations)

[@dodieodie498]

Check out some of the medical websites now. In their descriptions of abortions, they are no longer referring to the fetus. It is now, "pregnancy tissue". And there are no mothers or women that I've seen so far....the new modern terminology is "pregnant person". BUT, if you go to the same site for info on premature births....lo and behold! You have a baby again! Wow.

[@sysprogmanadhoc2785]

Prolife = Pro-r3pe

[@DrTiwade]

Exactly. This is shocking

[@roystonboodoo7525]

@SysProgMan AdHoc It's not carte blanche, but to respect Life, respect the Unborn Human Being, not be licentious.

[@smithlinda4271]

That's what their trying to do! Verbalize evil as good ,,, wonder if their lives were in danger of some waccos verbalization Circus ! If they might come up with something more Truthful ?? What a Shame those ppl are, an drag everyone else into their delusions !! I agree with you !!

[@billclancy4913]

A fetus has its own unique DNA. Is this not evidence based?

[@valkyrieloki1991]

p1: It morally wrong to kill an innocent human being. p2: Unborn are innocent human beings. p3: Abortion kills a innocent human being So, abortion is morally wrong.

[@johnsmith7140]

​@@valkyrieloki1991 Indeed

[@marcusjudahmenasha6837]

as a person born with cerbal palsy, born out of wedlock who had an overly abusive stepfather and a mother who went along with his abuse, let me be abundantly clear, if a mother will abort a baby up until the day of birth, even up to the eighth and nineth month without be a clear danger of death to the mother, I do not even want to fathom the abusive behavior from other children born to that mother or parents and to any baby born into that family.

[@HBLADY]

In which case the baby must be taken from the aborting mother and taken into care. Would you agree with this or have I misunderstood your statement. I too have a hard time getting my head around late term abortion because a mother changes her mind. And I am sorry for what you suffered as a child, but you sound like a thoughtful and articulate man who has transcended that suffering as best you can.

[@marcusjudahmenasha6837]

@Lovemylido I didn't go there because I had a stepfather who was abusive. The whole point it starts with a mother decision before the child is born what kind of future that child will have....I don't here any concern for children there's so much concern for children in gaza but 0×0 concern for children in America. A mother, a good mother, is so hard to find. It's like so many people want to or wished they aborted their children. And if they already have children, what's going on in children's minds when they hear how bad women want to abort babies up to the last month. It's like America is finding a way around murdering children. No wonder illegal immigrant murders go free.

[@HBLADY]

@@marcusjudahmenasha6837 These are frightening times for sure. And when humans, as a species, get comfortable with killing a healthy baby in utero, how much farther will we be willing to go? In Senate hearings some “experts” won’t even commit to saying that a full term, yet unborn, baby has value. Senator Kennedy is asking these questions and is visibly baffled by the non-replies he gets. It’s discouraging to say the least. 💔

[@lorijustice8967]

What an embarrassment to the state of Tennessee. Ugh

[@liseernie]

Yes yes yes, a heartbeat is The sign of Life!!!

[@drackoni-han13]

chickens pigs and cows and fish all have heartbeats, and we even eat those

[@badgerfishinski6857]

​@@drackoni-han13yep..grilled trout yummy....and they're not human last time I checked.

[@drackoni-han13]

@@badgerfishinski6857 Show me objectively (ie free from personal opinion) gives humans an intrinsic right to life. That is from your observations of the natural world

[@heidibee501]

*The COROLLARY to PRO-Life is PRO-Death, 《NOT》 PRO-Choice, as the defenseless INFANT has NO CHOICE.* There is an abundance of contraception available. *WHAT KIND of WOMAN does it take to push off an abortion to the moment of birth?*

[@douglemay7989]

That is just a reich wing talking point. It never happens without medical complications.

[@Showboat_Six]

So how do we know when grandma dies? What’s the first thing the doctor does when he turns to you and says your grandma has passed away ? He listens for a heartbeat with no heartbeat is observed. The doctor says grandma is dead. . So if grandma is dead, when the heart quits beating, you logically have to assume that grandma was alive when the heartbeat was beating. Therefore, when the first heartbeat is detectable, that is telling you that grandma is alive in her life is just beginning because when the heartbeats and when it doesn’t that’s when she’s dead!

[@ColonelFredPuntridge]

RE: "What’s the first thing the doctor does when he turns to you and says your grandma has passed away ?" He checks to see whether or not her insurance plan will pay for his services. That's the first thing he does.

[@janetcampbell9286]

@@ColonelFredPuntridge, If there was a DNR, Do Not Resusitate on her chart, they will not seek to revive that patient. You are correct about the medical actions that will be take or not taken if the person's insurance doesn't cover the procedure.

[@drackoni-han13]

People have to be born before they can die

[@pie0ful]

What a sham ...the Republicans are loosing on this issue all across the country ...why don't they talk about the woman in Florida who is forced now to carry a baby with major issues...and will be born in horrible pain

[@YWUBHYD]

Thank God these hearings are recorded and posted for us all to witness just how evil these people really are.

[@douglemay7989]

The gun control hearings are also recorded. Allowing developing people to be slaughtered in the name of toys is far worse.

[@armandoperez7108]

Yes, so we all can see how the Christian theocrats want to impose their religious principles on everybody else and introduce forced pregnancy.

[@Finangleydoo]

​@@douglemay7989No, it's equally worse.

[@douglemay7989]

@@Finangleydoo That is not a thing.

[@bobbowser7767]

15 weeks, that should be the line.

[@knitwit7082]

Marsha, you are my hero. ♥️ Thank you for standing up for LIFE rather than DEATH. 🚼

[@QueenAnitaSoul1]

I just think you need to mind your business and let women decide what's best for them

[@mgw9562]

Whenever they start their sentences with "SO", they loose all my respect or trust.

[@showme443]

These people are heartless no pun intended.😢

[@kaylareilly9638]

Women should NOT be forced to have babies!

[@WilliamCooper-l6f]

Obviously, these criminals aren't very keen on getting caught or very proud of their treachery.

[@InGratiaDei]

This is an instance in which our culture is changing for the better. I'm glad we have people standing up for life in public office and I'm glad to see the pro-abortion side put on the defensive.

[@SharkVsTree]

Yeah, pro-choice folks are not being put on any defensive, but crafty politicians are attempting to convince you that they are. The problem being that the morals of pro-life folks will never be more important that other people's rights, and as a consequence of not being individuals, the unborn happen to possess no rights. The person they happen to reside wholly within, however, does. Welcome to the concept of liberty the United States was founded upon.

[@wooddoc5956]

What they are calling a heartbeat is not. Simple electrical lmpulses of a few cells does not make a heart.

[@networth00]

Your heart right now is a simple electrical impulse.

[@IsaacParenteau]

A heartbeat is not evidence of life. Brain Activity is needed for evidence of life.

[@SharkVsTree]

No, it is not. Metabolism is evidence of life. Plants are alive. Life existed in the gametes before they formed into a zygote. Sexual reproduction is how humans propagate life. Life began eons ago. The life argument where abortion is concerned is farcical and irrelevant. What is important to law are rights, and the unborn possess none due to the fact that they are not individuals by any reasonable stretch of the imagination until they are born, draw first breath, and so demonstrate the capacity to oxygenate their own blood independently of the mother's body.

[@johnlewis195]

Y'all take care of All these kids in foster care

[@artadrians]

Unbelievable that they are happy to take a life....UNBELIEVABLE!!!

[@cesarmo469]

They won’t say yes, but they’ll nod quietly.

[@MissPerriwinkle]

term limits.

[@seahagkeylover]

With the many ways to PREVENT unwanted pregnancies you would think that abortion would be a scarce procedure...but here we are unless it's a matter of life and death for the mother

[@yvonneplant9434]

Their next goal is to stop contraception.

[@ColonelFredPuntridge]

It is a scarce procedure. Less than one million per year in a country of more than 300,000,000? That's less than one per 300 people, which is pretty scarce. I mean, if you had a lot of jugs full of 300 red cherries each, and in each jug only one of those cherries were yellow rather than red, you'd say that the yellow cherries were pretty scarce, wouldn't you?

[@janetcampbell9286]

No birth control methods are 100% affective with the exception of not having any sex! With the prescribing of the morning after pill, many of the chemical abortions are taking place at a woman's home in her own bathroom. I personally believe that's why many abortion clinics are closing.

[@networth00]

@@ColonelFredPuntridge do you think that 300,000,000 are able to have kids? Right off the bat HALF are men and can't get pregnant. Then of the 150million probably way more than half are children or old people. So, now you think 1,000,000 babies killed each year is a "scarce procedure". What a disgusting thing people do to unwanted kids.

[@annmalleybooks]

@@ColonelFredPuntridge ...the objective on your end seems to be ensuring that the procedure becomes ubiquitous. No? I mean, seriously. If there were no speed limit on the highway, there'd be far more people driving at much faster speeds, thereby risking life and limb. No? That may be no biggie to you unless that no-speed limit saw someone in your circle creamed thanks to the legally endorsed recklessness of another. We're not talking cherries here. Maybe that's the problem. Cherries are a food source that we eat. What's occurring is the attempt to morph human life back into a readily available commodity to be dealt with as if it were a cherry. That's the issue, Theodore.

[@FalloutPharaoh]

Pro choice just because the Government shouldn’t have any more control. Plus, How you gonna force a rape victim to have a kid if they don’t want it?

[@timothyyoung4463]

It's called adoption.

[@denasutera]

Wish the question would be asked. At what stage of development can a fetus/baby exist outside the womb? If they can exist and survive with medical attention as early as 20 weeks - then they are a living being with a life apart of the mother.

[@dodieodie498]

According to the various websites, it looks like 20 to 26 weeks. Seems the odds of survival at 26 weeks are around 60%, though the websites are varying.

[@jdubwilson2689]

You can’t terminate something’s life unless it is alive!

[@freechair4890]

They are alive regardless of their ability to survive independently. Your claim proves it- if they can die without support, they must be alive in the first place.

[@dodieodie498]

@@jdubwilson2689 The whole argument over whether an embryo, zygote...or whatever is ALIVE is nuts. Of course, it's alive. It takes nourishment, it grows. It is a functioning organism with its own DNA. Its own specialized cells that know what they are about. If we were technologically advanced enough, we could put it in a situation where it could develop outside the mother. We already can do many things along those lines. (Not that I agree with that sort of thing, but that's a different topic.) Suffice to say, the "organism" that is formed at conception is unquestionably alive. Just as a baby chick is alive inside the egg. To assert anything else is a lie or a complete misunderstanding as to what life is, that most of the same people wouldn't have if the subject were about an amoeba or a mushroom. BUT they MUST make a debate about a human life growing inside a womb. It shouldn't even be up for debate, but should be automatic assumption. The only question is whether there is some point where it stops being merely alive and becomes a human life that is worthy of protection under the law, which, since it's the SAME life all the way through from conception to ripe old age.....IT IS a human life. Every last one of us were, at some point, in that same position. It's not like something bizarre happens when the baby hits the birth canal or comes into contact with the atmosphere so that it morphs into something it wasn't before! Abortion is an act that involves ending a life. Period. By injection or medication or saline or using forceps or a canula. Whatever. An ACT is committed to stop that life. That's why it's called an abortion and not a miscarriage. It ends the life of an individual organism that is unique, and if given some weeks, will be a completely recognizable human individual. That's a fact. And the fact that the "pro choice" people refuse to face or even admit it, and instead have to play with words and make truth subjective, is remarkable. It's like they have forgotten that they were once what they refer to as "pregnancy tissue".

[@dodieodie498]

@@freechair4890 Makes me think about conjoined twins who might share a liver or a pair of hips and legs. They can't survive is they are separated, so is one or the other not "alive"?

[@benjamintickle1476]

In Asia, when you are born you are 9 months old, you turn 1 at 3 months. Why is it so hard for these people to understand when life begins?

[@ColonelFredPuntridge]

Who cares when life _begins?_ If the life is inside my body, being sheltered and sustained by my organs, then _I_ will decide how long it gets to stay there. Its life may have begun, but so long as it is inside my body, I will decide when its life _ends._ And I'm not gonna worry about what _you_ think about _my_ decision.

[@benjamintickle1476]

@@ColonelFredPuntridge it's your decision, not mine. I never said anything about you not being able to do what you want with your body or what's in it. Maybe you should try to not be so mad and upset at the way I view things. It has to be hard to go through life like that, lol.

[@drackoni-han13]

Why should all human life have the same value at each point in development, from conception thru to death? There is no objective case for it being so

[@benjamintickle1476]

@@drackoni-han13 a fetus can be removed from the mother as early as 4 months. Why can a person be charged with murder of a fetus if they kill a pregnant woman? A woman even goes in to labor if she's in jeopardy of dying, because the fetus might live. I guess my mom could kill me anytime in my life and it's okay? At any stage of my life, that's your way of thinking,wow. There are pills to prevent babies ,one could keep their legs closed until they are ready. This world is lost and the blind are definitely leading the way

[@SharkVsTree]

Because life began literally eons ago, gametes are alive prior to forming into a zygote, and sexual reproduction is how humans propagate life. Why can't Asians understand that? (My guess is that most of them do, and go along with arbitrary convention anyway.)

[@pacospete4299]

Stop splitting hairs with THIS !!! .... LIFE begins at CONCEPTION !!! ..... NOW to the MAIN part . Does a VICTIM of rape or incest have the right to an immediate abortion , my view is YES !!!

[@aleenwalker7371]

The rhetoric of slavery and the rhetoric of abortion are the same--both imply that the human is question is not fully human and that it is actually the property of the owners and thus can be disposed of as they see fit. I have as much contempt for women who have abortions as I do for slaveowners.

[@Teri_B.]

Same party supports both. 🐎

[@johnsmith7140]

Same

[@johnsmith7140]

​@Teri B of course

[@marileedent8499]

It's illiteracy! Oath to save lives #1 and slavery was all over not allowed in the USA go to prison! I hate the suggestions and remarks that are really ignorant! Blacks sold or traded their people! White people would have caught Malaria

[@pdumpsterful]

@@Teri_B. very true. The demokkkrats support both

[@RoseGoodwin-m7l]

Wow to the Pregnant women and Nursing Mothers in those terrible days...

[@berachtdorian6191]

Good point.

[@juanacastillo7154]

❣️ Life exist at conception . ❣️No Abortions ❣️Pro Life ❣️

[@cindyluzinski3539]

Amen. Obey God and leave the consequences to him.

[@sjones3191]

So everyone in the comments should be fostering and adopting these babies.

[@networth00]

Everyone in the comments should be using condoms and birth control. Btw, I have an adopted child. Murder is murder. Do you think a kid should be murdered bc the parents don't wnt them? Pretty heartless if you ask me.

[@juliawildasin4649]

I adopted.

[@darlacox]

Many of us do. Many of us raise grandkids. Many of us volunteer in crises pregnancy centers and women's shelters. Many of us adopt. You're wrong to assume we don't.

[@sharonleekeim]

My God, 32 weeks we are aborting babies? I'm sick

[@mgreenesco9955]

Why is this so hard for a whole room of so called intelligent, educated people to accept that as soon as a woman is pregnant she is WITH CHILD.

[@wooddoc5956]

0f course embrionic tissue is alive. But fertilized eggs are also alive. Yet I would save my dog from a burning building before I would worry about saving a vat of eggs.

[@WinstonSives]

These people are EVIL !!!!! I am disgusted. They are fully aware of the facts and truth. Hence, they deliberately try to ignore facts.

[@danielmoran3140]

The world has become so very depraved.

[@cmohanchandra9511]

The witnesses should be asked: when does human life start?

[@ColonelFredPuntridge]

And the answer is: who cares? If it's inside _my_ body, then I'm gonna get rid of it when _I_ want to, no matter when human life starts. And I'm not gonna worry about what _you_ think.

[@drackoni-han13]

Why should human life have the same value in all its stages of development, from conception thru to death? Why should other interests be completely ignored in the discussion

[@harlenburke8535]

@@ColonelFredPuntridge and if it were mine you would never be seen alive again....

[@alittlewheiser521]

@@ColonelFredPuntridgeobviously there are people that care who don’t care what YOU think. The world doesn’t revolve around you.

[@ColonelFredPuntridge]

@@alittlewheiser521 Of course it doesn't! I'm not specially entitled, except inside _my_ body. And you are specially entitled inside _your_ body. That's why we don't let the government force you to get an abortion (any more).

[@samuelr007ruiz9]

Things like this make me grateful of living in Mexico, God bless America ❤

[@dodieodie498]

According to what I've read, if the injection to stop the heart isn't successful, then the baby will be pulled to the birth canal, and the neck will be snipped just below the base of the skull. This kills the infant. The skull is then collapsed to ease passage through the canal. If the baby is too large to pass through, it will be dismembered and removed piecemeal. According to my understanding, this is done without anesthetic for the baby. This is a horrid, heinous thing. Thousands of babies are aborted every day in the U.S. Fortunately, most are aborted within the first three months and aren't late term. I CANNOT imagine how any physician does this for a living. At the very least they should be honest about it and all that it entails. The public should know.

[@happycamper1372]

Seems like those doctors would be violating the oath they took!

[@musicsansnotes]

You ladies sound absolutely righteous. You all sound as if you are judge and jury for women you don't know. I have a nurse friend who had an abortion at 4 months. That's right, you read that correctly. I know you are all appalled, right now. Her doctor told her that her child was severely deformed and had a brain that didn't develop. It wouldn't survive the remaining 5 months in the womb. They asked her what she wanted to do. They gave her enough respect to ask her what she and her family wanted to do. What would you have chosen knowing all of the complications the fetus had. She chose an abortion. She layer had 3 healthy children. You can judge all you want, but you will never know each individuals circumstances. This Blackburn lady is stupid and ignorant for not taking real-life situations into consideration. She lives in a fantasy bubble.

[@itsmelaura1533]

You are correct, Dr Carson explained the procedure and there have been videos created to show what truly happens during an abortion. It is ugly and horrifying. The fetus doesn't "magically" disappear, as so many women believe. I believe if more people knew they truth of what happens to the fetus during the abortion there would be less abortions.

[@BobHoover-kl6zm]

That's exactly how they do it in late term .They rip off a limb at a time and set them in a dish .Everyone should be forced to watch a video of it before they get an abortion

[@dodieodie498]

@Ah Stuttgart Denying the process doesn't make it less true.

[@marshatolbert154]

Can’t stand this woman. She takes so much out of context.

[@juliawildasin4649]

which woman?

[@paigebaumgartner9044]

Btw, I had an abortion in July last year right after the laws were passed in MO. Had to drive to Illinois to get one. Had protesters dressed in fake planned parenthood uniforms outside the fence of the building asking for my name and address. They said they were giving free ultra-sounds in the parking lot next door as they proceeded to point to this RV parked in the parking lot right next to planned parenthood. The whole thing was very sketchy and their intent did not seem good. I told them to back the fuck away from my car. Front desk inside told me they are protestors but since they’re outside the fence there’s nothing they can do. Still have no idea what they planned on doing inside that RV or with my personal information.

[@theresaallen8322]

I'm so glad you got to kill your baby and have it done by someone you felt safe with.😢

[@xyeB]

,,Thou shall not kill. - Jesus Christ

[@networth00]

Paige got to kill her baby, oh thank goodness those people didn't talk her out of it.

[@annmalleybooks]

I bet disgruntled spouses would love a place like PP. Planned Marriage. I mean, if a beating heart is no sign of life, then why divorce? That's so costly. All the lawyers and wrangling over property rights. Women and men would feel so much safer, their personal information would be far more secure, if they had no need to divulge private life details to a lawyer. How horrifying. Just head to PM and get what you need to go on with your life. After all, a jerk spouse has no heart. Right??? Some may even label said bum as being soulless. So any consideration of the rights of the one who needs to be removed to facilitate your happiness is utterly absurd. But then, if a beating heart is not a sign of life, perhaps the bum doesn't exist at all. Their presence is merely a figment of self-torture. Perhaps a therapist would be a better option. Talk with said therapist about the ongoing delusion of a lifeless entity because the experience that has you seeking relief is all in your head. The suffering individual only 'feels' married or 'feels' pregnant because we know there's nothing there.

[@armandoperez7108]

@@xyeB Not everybody is a sanctimonious Christian and the USA is not a theocracy.

[@itry2brational]

The old Northam not compatible with life infant canard. The pro-life right needs to stop dragging this lie and distortion out. It's embarrassing. He was actually discussing a specific case of a baby that is not compatible with life and could never survive and in that example the mother wanted that child. That's why it was kept comfortable for a time, to give that mom a few fleeting moments with her baby before it inevitably dies. That is what not compatible with life means.

[@douglemay7989]

Pro-life means forced birth. We need to end that lie.

[@bigperm3853]

Lies. It's not until around 17 to 20 weeks, when the four chambers of the heart have developed and can be detected on an ultrasound, that the term heartbeat is accurate, according to ACOG.

[@aph4778]

Thank you!!!

[@sjones3191]

I live in tn and people of color are second class. A lot are profiled and targeted. But she needs to figure out where the 700 million in tanf surplus actually is. Especially if they haven’t already greased each other’s palms.

[@peaceplease2793]

It’s Simply MURDER 😢😢

[@LarryFox-b4k]

Northam was a numbskull .He seen that the baby in his case as basically a used car . He was embarrassing and goulish at best and

[@dittohead7044]

Not even mentioning the fathers interest in the “infant”

[@karend.9218]

A beating heart is a bundle of nodes in the absence of neural development….a brain, there is no life there.

[@networth00]

Go tell a pregnant lady that.

[@dragonfox2.058]

See? we're back to everything and anything is more important than a woman's health and well being and still expecting the kids to be OK. Good luck humanity!

[@networth00]

We're back to the kid's health being very important. Always was really.

[@dragonfox2.058]

@@networth00 can't have healthy kids without healthy mommies

[@networth00]

@@dragonfox2.058 99% of aborted kids had healthy mommies. Now what?

[@dragonfox2.058]

@@networth00 well they were after that you know? try carrying something dead in your body

[@juliawildasin4649]

The point is that babies are as human as the mom. Moms who don't want to raise their child have other options. It's not life or death for the mom, but it is for the child.

[@gerardshpunt8327]

Blackburn always looks like she is one drink away from passing out

[@moniqueapodaca3037]

I was 15 I became pregnant 1984 The minute I could feel the baby I knew I was pregnant. Your body changes so much your thoughts change everything . Being so young at that age this was now a challenge for me and so many ways all the good girls in church had Abortion's.. my father is even said that I should do so so that I could have a life I was a child I was his child why would I throw my life away. I am happy to say I had my beautiful baby girl. So extremely amazing She even started to walk it talk by 6 months old. I knew that this child that I had just had was extremely important and I was correct 💯. However the community around friends and classmates I was spit on I was called names I was degraded I felt so much hatred I felt so much Pain from the community of my peers. The girls that I had known that it had abortions they ended up having serious mental and emotional issues postpartum depression somewhere never able to have children and their later years I was blessed to have three beautiful children that yes I raise no welfare And today I'm a proud grandmother of two Beautiful grandchildren. Culture is strange a lot of times we have to go against the grain to do the right thing I THANK GOD everyday that . I have never had an abortion. At 15 years old I became pro-life.. To be a woman And to feel the miracle of creation within your own body if the greatest miracle any woman has ever known as a mother. Beyond the science beyond what men and non-mothers can Speculate.

[@jdubwilson2689]

Awesome! Story thanks for sharing! Your a Hero! A Real woman!!

[@maryseflore7028]

A baby that walks at 6 months? Either we don't have the same definition of "walking", or, you're full of it. Babies start to sit on their own at 6 months, they don't walk. Child development can't be sped up to that level.

[@jdubwilson2689]

@@maryseflore7028 well here comes the trolls, experts and know it alls!🤨

[@moniqueapodaca3037]

Oh yes this is quite possible for a child to walk and talk at 6 months. Yes my oldest child did UC Davis even followed us around for the first few years of her life. Should I also mention that I have AB Negative blood. All three of my children are negative blood. All three of my children's lives matter very much and their blood is universal Along with their father and me put together they are O negative blood. This is a whole different ballgame. My children's lives are precious to me Yes. But the facts are the facts. My child did begin to walk around the furniture at six-months-old. And yes my child could already say mama dada. Oh did I mention she has an extremely high IQ As well she is a Red Head.

[@jdubwilson2689]

@@moniqueapodaca3037 You go girl, tell ‘em I got O negative blood too, don’t give as much as should! Don’t listen to them trolls, sounds like you’re an awesome, proud MOM! And a real woman!! Proud of you and your family!😀👍My sister in law, walked at 6 months!

[@lisasimon4479]

That is why these woman need to be in a court room so they are forced to answer the questions instead of deliberately not, deliberately.

[@stactheace]

Its all about not having responsibility. That is the cornerstone to left philosophy and some of the younger generation. Not being responsible for your life choices. Not being responsible for the baby, their student loans or anything in life period.

[@SharkVsTree]

Have you noticed that you're making a massive assumption about the circumstances of an abortion? I mean, you really don't have any other choice, seeing as you have no right to the information necessary to make a reasonable assessment about it (Fourth Amendment). But it's still about the least reasonable way to restrict abortion, you see. You might also want to have a look at the First, Thirteenth, and Fourteenth Amendments and see how they might apply to this subject. Welcome to the concept of liberty the United States was founded upon. If you want to restrict other people's rights to bodily autonomy, don't act one bit surprised when they level a vaccine mandate on you, okay?

[@zeusathena26]

I don't think most people, including myself who have a problem outlawing late term abortions. Such as after 25 weeks. Severe medical issues can't be seen till 20-24 weeks, so it shouldn't be before that. Late term abortions would just be an early birth. It's cruel to say you can't ever change your mind about pregnancy, especially if it was a crime/assault. No politician should make a law about a woman's body.

[@kathy2637]

Definitions must be difficult for you.

[@zeusathena26]

@@kathy2637 no, but you can't help being a Karen huh?

[@douglemay7989]

@@zeusathena26 Is that you, Ken? Seriously, late term abortions are only if the health of the mother is in danger. Spend less time listening to reich wing lies.

[@networth00]

No politician should make a law about guns either... according to your theories.

[@CBOAT101]

You got to love when the verbal diarrhea comes out of one side and there are 100% correct. 100% of the time and then when the verbal diarrhea comes from the other side. It's verbal diarrhea of tonight. Deny deny deny but in the first hand it's fact after fact after fact who's really the one that's spewing out their mouth, the liars or the truth tellers😊

[@CBOAT101]

Just thankful like you three people took it out of your time to read my comments and then I like. I appreciate it. Grateful and thankful. Thank you

[@douglemay7989]

It is not the side you think it is.

[@petrucioci07]

I like the argument with the heart beat.❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@Billy420-69]

This are modern servants of Moloch.

[@beresfsd]

Sen Blackburn is a treasure❤

[@tommybickford4236]

I've learned from different women I've met or gotten close to even my own family , who've gone thru this it never goes away I've always tried to be a good listener and shoulder to cry on but I do admit I've cried along with them " They didn't know" these circumstances were years before me , but it's a pain that we guys will not know , but we can try to give comfort but know there is none , but try , all I or anyone can do is listen . The pain these women endure to me is indescribable it's a guilt I can't imagine some fear God's judgement so yes I've cried with my loved ones and my friends and to any man I'd say just listen and hold them tight . And be the friend they need . With what I now know I can't help but think when I hear and see some 20 or 30 something tout the merits and their supposed rights it makes me cringe and I think to myself some day if they're lucky they'll have someone who'll listen and try to understand the pain they're going through. So I pray God will forgive them, I have as we all should. And If I've offended anyone please understand that was not my intention. God bless you all.

[@drackoni-han13]

Which God Tommy? The one that drowned millions of babies, is it that one?

[@weaverto]

"Based on evidence based medicine," was the final straw. Marsha couldn't let that go uninterrupted.

[@t-reid3716]

A lot of people will throw out the obvious that some abortions are based off of whether a person wants the child or not. But when we omit the fact that a lot of other abortions are medically necessary, and we don’t clearly defined the laws and the guidelines that is the scary part for me and it’s so sad that everyone will automatically just think people don’t want kids but what about the people who want their kids but some can’t carry them or they go through something that’s life-threatening and can’t get the healthcare that they require.

[@coachduke9323]

Then those people should sponsor a bill to clarify that and see if it passes. My guess, it would not because abortion is not about saving women who may die from childbirth. Never was about that and never will be. Which is why it’s a deceitful and underhanded way to argue for legal status. Now before you get to triggered, I support abortion. Just not the lying and slimy tactics that is used to justify killing a child.

[@janetcampbell9286]

If the pregnancy is putting the mother's life in danger, then you deliver the baby! If the baby is too young to survive, the baby is kept alive & some will survive & some won't. No sane OBGYN would allow a mother whose life is at risk to die because of the pregnancy. I can't think of a medical condition. Hemorhhaging could put the mothers life at risk at any stage of the pregnancy. If it can not be stopped, then the baby would die as a result also. So all medical measures to save both would be done.

[@douglemay7989]

@@janetcampbell9286 You have not read any of the laws? Some women are being sentenced to death in the name of saving the children.

[@joycepino5346]

If a woman has more than 1 abortion they think a baby is inconvenient and disposable. If they don't want kids use birth control or sterilization then they don't need to worry about getting pregnant or having an abortion.

[@networth00]

VERY few are "medically necessary" and you knwo it.

[@hauteemonroe6715]

I can’t believe where we come to..

[@janetscott5452]

Im sick of people trying to run everyone's else life

[@networth00]

The mothers killing their kids are running their lives.

[@evylpanda]

So, a beating heart isn't an indication of life, but the stopping of a heart is an indication of death? Weird.

[@joycepino5346]

A beating heart is a sign of life in or out of a woman's body.

[@babybear0067]

6 week fetus doesn't have a heart. The thing that sounds like a heart beat later joins the other bits that make a heart, but at 6 weeks it doesn't have a heart.

[@daisyadele967]

And no consciousness either

[@sandrahossman2089]

These legislators are idiots! You can have a heartbeat at any age, but without brain activity, which is absent at 25 days . At any age that is considered dead. What about a fetus that has birth defects? No termination.

[@stuartofblyth]

So you were considered dead at 25 days? How come a dead person came to be writing a comment on a KZbin video?

[@networth00]

Sandra, what about the 99% of abortions when there's nothing wrong with baby or mom. Do you agree with those abortions?

[@jo3246]

@@networth00 I do because we don’t know about there personal lives they could be on benefits and can’t afford to keep it or they could be in a violent situation or they where raped or they have a condition that put the womans life at risk and a virus has no right to use a humans body to live and nither dose a fetus the woman’s body is keeping that heart beating she is not an’ object nor an incubator you can believe when life starts all u want but that doesn’t give anything or anyone the right to decide or force a pregnancy on someone it’s bad enough No one is bothering to adopt the children that’s in the system now and religious reasons are also not a reason for it either religion has No place whatsoever in medicine am for choice is the her uterus so she get the say not anything or anyone else it’s keep your laws off womens bodies period.

[@Stopcolonizinglebanon]

These absolute butcher psychopaths are so smug but can never acknowledge how evil their practices are.

[@douglemay7989]

Doctors are rarely psychopaths. Your morality is yours alone, do not push it on others.

[@lewisbayard1129]

This is a no Brainer. No one in that room should have to ask anyone about when life begins. Women who shout out and scream It's my body it's my right ....

[@MrArnold213]

I love watching Marsha Blackburn speak on keeping babies alive while she went out of her way to punish DEA agents working on a decent solution to opioids. What a freaking hypocrite.

[@HeinzGuderian_]

While I agree with the argument for stopping abortions for birth control purposes, I cannot find any line of text in the US Constitution that makes it an issue for the US Govt. It's a State issue according to the 10A.