THIS Comparison SURPRISED ME! Bigscreen Beyond VS Somnium VR1 - Which is RIGHT for YOU? MSFS

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I have a 5% discount code for the Bigscreen Beyond, valid until the 22nd of November. Use code: vrflightsimguy5 (affiliate) HERE: store.bigscreenvr.com/products/bigscreen-beyond?

[@metalceesie219]

Thats why i cant wait for the meganex superlight 8k.. micro oled all the way

[@a5cent]

Yeah. With the exception of H FoV, that looks like the perfect headset. Also on my list, but want to see more reviews first.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Stay tuned 👀

[@gizmo104drives7]

Again.. a promising headset... but no eye tracking..or inside out tracking..or audio... you literally buy the oled panel. Also underwhelming fov

[@a5cent]

@@gizmo104drives7 H FoV is its main weakness IMHO. Lack of eye-tracking comes in second. I agree on that, but I think you are too quick to judge on the rest. You are buying the OLED panel of course, but the main thing this has going for it is the optical stack and lens adjustability, and how easy it is to share, even for those with eyesight issues. Compared to everything else out there, it is amazing (at least on paper). No inside-out tracking? Good! Makes it smaller, lighter, cooler and it makes tracking more accurate. No integrated audio, but perfectly designed to allow for other headphones? Good! I can use my own which are 10x better than any integrated audio solution. Some of this comes down to whether you value convenience over quality, and it's okay to come down on either side.

[@ben433]

Definitely interested in this one!

[@Onehighcat]

I'm SO HAPPY with my Bigscreen Beyond. I understand the hesitation by most people but once you take the jump and get your hands on it you feel like you have the next new headset format.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Congrats on your Beyond :)

[@L_Emir_de_Passy]

Thanks for the video. The reason why your opinion matters more than most is because you do indeed live with those headsets, unlike many other content creators who just try something once or twice and place it back on the shelf.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Exactly! I prefer to showcase how and why I love (or hate) a VR headset based upon living with it and how it performs with my hobby. I think that's so important and so many people don't realise that. So this comment means a lot mate cheers.

[@L_Emir_de_Passy]

@VRFlightSimGuy you're welcome. Well deserved. On another note, do you think the relatively small FOV is a deal breaker for flying or racing? Considering the megane x

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

@@L_Emir_de_Passy For me, the Beyond is similar to the Crystal at 102, however, I have a feeling the Meganex may be slightly smaller than this. I'll only know once I receive one, which hopefully should be in the not so distance future. So stay tuned! Thanks again for your support.

[@elmaxlife]

It would be great to film through the lens of the headsets to have an idea of what you are describing. With a good alignment, through the lens is feasible and gives a good idea to the quality of the panel/lens.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I showcase lots of through the lens videos on the channel, although to be fair, I haven't with the BSB because it's so difficult.

[@damiengvideos4337]

Yeah BSB is a no go for me. The glare is awful. The other issue is it’s so darn dark even at 140% cranked up, which then makes the glare even worse. The facial interface is custom and neat but being so form fitting I find it makes my face hot and I have to regularly pull it away from my face to let me eyes and skin breath. You do need to try it for yourself though to know if it’s a good or no go. I never got use to the glare!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thanks for sharing your experiences!

[@slantzero]

Thank you Steve, it’s nice to hear your comments here. I switched from a Pimax crystal to the Big Screen Beyond and I’ll never go back. The form-factor of the BSB makes it all worth it.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Nice one mate.

[@michaelsims77]

I absolutely love my beyond and always end up in it for siming. I’ve been using openXR toolkit for super sampling but since it’s not really being supported into the future I’m wondering if I should change. Are you using the beyond with openXR still and are you using the toolkit to do the over sampling? Also what amount of over sampling are you doing? I’ve been playing with different amounts versus fps on my 4090.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Great to hear mate. The Beyond definitely gets under your skin. It's a very unique experience compared to any other VR headset. I use the Toolkit to SS, with a res of 4142x4142

[@jackr.749]

As you and many others have mentioned so many times, the glare is a issue. Once you use any headset for a while (a couple weeks), your brain will compensate for the glare and you'll get to a point of no longer seeing it, same with older HMD's SDE. If you can ignore the glare and godrays of the OG Vive and especially the Valve Index, then I'm sure the BSB will be child's play to ignore its glare. I don't have a BSB but have heard so much about it's glare and then remember how long it took me to get use to the glare and godrays of the Index (The King of glare and godrays! LOL). I got a Crystal Light a couple months ago and am enjoying that at this time, it's a pain in the butt to tame (lowering res to get performance) but even at lower res, it looks amazing in Racing Sims and MSFS 2020. 7800X3D, 4090, 64gigs DDR5 (6000 @ cl30), Win 10 22H2. Even these hardware specs and still have to lower settings to get good fluid play. LOL Just hoping MSFS 2024 is better optimized for VR so the frame rate can be increased. 🤞

[@SpringChickensOnlyMan]

I’m gonna compare my crystal light to my bigscreen beyond when I get it. The tiny sweet spot and glare in the beyond started to bother me a lot because the meta quest 3 spoiled a lot of that for me

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

It's quite a difference!

[@KnightMD]

They better sell as much hardware as they can before the Valve Deckard hits next year...

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Is there something you know that nobody else does?

[@quantumjim45]

One thing that is VERY important to me is how easy and especially consistent the headset to Windows PC connectability is. The Quest 3 via Link cable is for me very on and off: one day the pc recognizes it being connected to USB and there's a little 'ding' - the next day, with nothing known to be different, there's no sign of a USB connection when the headset is turned on and plugged in. Doesn't matter how good the visual is if the interface is flakey.

[@tkdmp5698]

Yeah im a little disappointed by the big companies having no PCVR options I have Q2 and im so glad i did not buy Q3 Im not even gonna talk about the streaming compression artifacts and latency

[@lanceobe6801]

Bigscreen beyond has a beautiful display ruined by the lens's tiny sweet spot. Looking left or right slightly and the image blurred, the FOV was fine and the weight was amazing, it was just the lens's that was the deal killer for me. I had to return it

[@MD-on9fi]

Same, the glare also made me return mine. I now have a Pimax crystal light and I'm loving it.

[@turbohenk702]

It makes no sense to buy a BSB now with all the glare and compression issues going on while the MeganeX 8K is going to be released within a few months.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Let's see what I think first..

[@turbohenk702]

@VRFlightSimGuy I wish that I could try it myself but sadly enough the MeganeX doesn't have a return policy at all. So even while it's probably great, I can't buy it because what if it's not nice with my headshape or eye sight. Then I cannot return it. But I'm still looking forward to your experiences of course. I'm sure that the BSB is a thing of the past.

[@UneasyMusic]

so now we wait for pimax crystal super oled then ;) now it makes sense why they want to make changeable optics, you can change it depending on the scenes that each technology shines in.

[@basiccamaro]

I have Varjo Aero and I am looking for upgrade. I can’t decide VR1 or BSB. One big drawback is keeping me away from BSB: second hand market chance is almost zero because of special IPD and facegasket,

[@benkraus3]

I sold my BSB on eBay no problem for 650.00. I have tested and owned pimax CL, aero, BSB and q3 and felt the BSB glare and small sweet spot made it less viable than the pimax light or quest 3. I returned my pimax light bc it was too big, hot and uncomfortable and the software was buggy. I find the quest 3 has the best overall ease of use especially if you’re running wireless 6E dedicated router and virtual desktop. The clarity isn’t as good but the sweet spot is much larger and the graphics are good enough in my opinion. I’ll be giving the meganex a close look after people have used it for a while to ensure the software is not buggy.

[@basiccamaro]

@ i am a little sceptical about meganex but I am waiting for reviews…

[@Thunder0-v4j]

Depends if you also care when you want it. If you order in November you will get Beyond quickly. For VR1 you will be waiting far into 2025

[@basiccamaro]

@ I need prescription lens so I have to wait 4 weeks at Beyond too but yes, it would arrive in this year. I simracing only so I try to find the best HMD. Regarding VR1 I dont know what version should I buy. I think the base model would be enough for simracing.

[@stevetb7777]

@@benkraus3 Very interesting you settled on Q3. Hopefully we'll have an even better option soon enough, a new VR king (for most people). Hey Valve...

[@mikewright2858]

I'm sure it looks better than the VR1 I paid for that I still have literally no idea when I and if I will ever see it ...

[@Thunder0-v4j]

Same here. We bought it with friends from reservation queue so we should have got them long time ago. Artur (the CEO) says he is going to factory to solve problems and perform testing but after first very small batch the second one is few weeks late and he brags about participating in some marketing event. It's not the first occurence when by a "coincidence" the delays happen just as he organizes or participates in event which point is to show the VR1. Lack of specific shipping information or proper order queue makes us uncomfortable. We have no way to verify whether the order of fulfillment is actually correct. At the moment we and some other customers we talked with lately in Breachers lobby have suspicion that there may be some production offloading on the side for business customers and regular customers are being left in the dust of low priority queue.

[@SargonDragon]

Switching back and forth between aespheric headsets and pancake headsets is pretty much the worst case scenario for being bothered by pancake glare. Aespherics have _zero_ glare or god rays. It's a strong aspect for them. But aespherics get chromatic aberration and geometric distortion instead, where these are almost none with pancakes. If you just stay with one headset/lens type, your brain will eventually just delete its weaknesses from your vision. Just giving it 2-3 weeks since you last used an aespheric headset is not enough for this to fully set in.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I disagree, especially as I see plenty of CA in the Quest 3. Thanks for commenting!

[@Itz_Jack57]

Hey Steve, another great informative video as always! I have a question which is slightly off topic although you do mention it a couple of times during the video, that is, photogrammetry. When I enable it I pretty much always still get the nuclear holocaust effect with horribly distorted melted buildings I am wondering if this is due to internet bandwidth during load up or pc hardware limitations? It's very frustrating when I see how good it can look but unfortunately I have to turn it off when over urban areas. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. ps: I have a 4070 ti coupled with a Ryzen 7 78003XD and 32gb DDR5.

[@davidbowley9600]

Same issue. Love watching the videos but always stunned by the scenery you get, Steve. Liverpool, for instance, in this video. Is it standard MSFS 2020 or have you downloaded additional photogrammetry? I'm running i7-13700, rtx-4080, 64GB and 500Mbps fibre broadband, but the scenery never looks as good as in your videos. Perhaps you could mention where you get your scenery from when flying over areas that aren't stock MSFS plus world and city updates?

[@BlackSheepGene]

Yes Steve, another great video! Thank you so much. I am still waiting for the Pimax Super with both interchangeable displays!😳😎 Can't wait, but I have to! 😢 Waiting for your reviews of MSFS2024. Wished I had the Super to use with it.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Hey Eugen, expect a big fat shout out on Tuesday the 19th my friend ❤❤❤

[@BlackSheepGene]

@VRFlightSimGuy will you actually get a download on Tuesday? I received an email from Aerosoft that shipments in Europe and the UK would be delayed until early December. They also stated that you would not be able to download the sim until you get your swag.

[@andyydna5330]

Thank you very much Steve! 🎉😊

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

You are very welcome

[@gillett4you]

You’re making my future upgrade decision very difficult. It’s all about quality vs price for me. I’ll be upgrading from a rtx3090 and a HP reverb G2 so I’ll need a good GPU that supports whatever VR headset I select (or can afford). Limited budget and so many choices. Uggg. Thanks for all the good reviews. Can’t wait for MSFS2024.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Might be worth waiting until early 2025, I have a few more things to show before things settle down. We are truly spoiled for choice at the moment, which is a great thing, but I appreciate it also makes your decision harder.

[@gillett4you]

@ I agree, it is nice to have so many options. I’ll wait for a few months to see how MSFS 2024 works in VR and to see the “few more things to show” that you mentioned. You’re the best. Thanks.

[@Lionheart1157]

Thank you. Great video. Can I ask, what are the conditions of cockpit and/or external lighting that cause the worst glare? Cheers.

[@richardPalmisano]

I just wish that Microsoft flight 2020 had better colors in the landscape such as grass and fields and trees. It just looks too greenish yellow to me.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Nov 19th will fix that 😁

[@richardPalmisano]

@ oh wow so it’s going to be an update. That’s great. Steve, can you please tell me what Nvidia driver version are you using?

[@justbrowsing5279]

Does BB comment on what causes the glare issue or if future models can resolve it? I tend to enjoy displays that have no glaring (no pun intended) issues. I'd rather have a lower quality display if it means there's no single issue that jumps out and bothers me. I'd love small VR headset like the BB but that glare issue scares me. Plus I don't hang around apple users so I wouldn't be able to do the face scan.

[@tkdmp5698]

Hello i have to ask you since you tried so many headsets. I get fogging in Quest2 with contact lenses and its so annoying.I tried dehumidifier in the room,fan blowing on me and frequent breaks that i blow my face and VR to cool down and nothing works perfectly. I race with direct drive and its pretty intense that i get a little hot but i wonder is it my Quest2 or every headset is gonna be like that? Im in the verge of buying a Pimax Crystal Light but im not 100% there yet (4070S-14600k)

[@jamesleicher]

Very smooth on head movement

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thanks James, I do try and keep the movement to a minimum

[@dreeman7373]

my problem is the facescan i dond own a i foon -.-

[@SkinnyObelix]

You're doing a great job, but man is it hard to judge if an upgrade is worth it... I'm using the original HTC vive pro, so obviously these will be much better but how much. I wished there was a way to easily test them out.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thankyou. It's more complicated than it used to be, but that's a good thing, as we have many more options now.

[@IamGlobal73]

After reading more of the comments here - I will chime in with another one myself. If you compare the price, the BSB is still an absolute steal against the Somnium which comes from at least double the price if you count in the investment for the base stations and controllers that the BSB requires. In daylight scenes, the glare is absolutely minimal and even during night time - I have gotten so used to the headset, that I only notice it, when I consciously look for it - I fully agree with Steve's accurate description of this phenomenon and I can second this. In DCS I have no noticeable glare at all during normal daylight hours. A lot of people get the face scan and their IPD measurements wrong: I can recommend doing the face scan in a very well lit room against a white wall and getting a proper IPD measurement from a certified optometrist for referencing. I have a face gasket that fits to my face perfectly and they also got the IPD settings perfectly. I am of older generation and wear multifocal glasses - it was absolutely no issue adapting to the BSB as we multifocal wearers are used to moving or heads instead of just our eyes. I can not imagine or even want to wear any of those "toasters" like Pimax or Somnium ever. I have done long range flights with the BSB with short breaks in between and for me it feels really natural. The BSB is a special custom headset - sure not everyone may like it but for those that do, there will not be any other interesting replacement soon because current hardware can not handle full resolution with ultimate quality settings. Another thing people forget is their monthly electricity bills running 1000watts/hr systems.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Really appreciate your thoughts on this video, thankyou so much!

[@stevetb7777]

I get that they make a custom face mold for the BSB... why can't they make a universal mold for it? I'd buy it if I could share it with others in my household. That's the biggest weakness of it for me. I know a universal mold wouldn't be as good, but at least others could use the headset too. How much is it for extra custom molds, and how hard would it be to swap them? Ah wait.. of course.. I forgot the BSB IPD cannot be adjusted! Bummer. =D

[@apprentice_pleb]

As a retired person I don't have access to anyone's iphone for face scan. I can't believe Bigscreen marketing people are so dumb as to not think that they don't need Android face scan software as well.

[@markkovalcson7243]

I went to a local Apple store and did it there. It only took a few minutes. The bottom line is that the iPhone has what they need to do this well enough and it's pretty amazing that they can make a custom cushion that fits your face perfectly.

[@gorga8618]

You can do it with any iPhone even ones on display at an Apple Store or phone shop. Really not that big of a deal homie

[@radboudmetselaar3415]

Its not just a matter of making the software for Android. iPhones are the only phones that have the hardware required for these scans. The scan is also done entirely in the browser, and can be done in an apple store as others have mentioned Is it perfectly user friendly? well no Is it the only way they can pull this off? yes

[@jonmabec]

If not to mention, the VR1 is twice the cost, even if you need to get base stations and controllers for the Beyond. It's like comparing a Jeep to a Ferrari.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

It's more than that if you opt for the bad boy edition.

[@vulcantuminello1127]

FOV?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Watch the video!

[@TheSd1cko]

No, they haven't changed the I phone barrier to entry yet. It's the main reason I haven't bought one yet. I don't know anyone with an iPhone that I could just pop round and use. Everyone nearby is Samsung.

[@jamesleicher]

I am in cockpit cubical, would base station work in low light?

[@brettgrieves]

They work in zero light. They fire their own lasers

[@jamesleicher]

@@brettgrieves what brand are they?

[@brettgrieves]

@@jamesleicher I've got the valve V2 base stations.

[@gaminginstilllife9429]

i will keep my helmet sized Pimax crystal light

[@Going13ananas]

Im getting ready to buy one. Are you totally happy with it?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Nothing wrong with that, it's a great headset. I also have a comparison of the Crystal and Beyond on the channel :)

[@Going13ananas]

I started researching VR just about 1.5 months ago and it has been basically your channel that has helped me figure out what i want. As of now will be entering the area with a PCL. Want to say a big thank you for all your videos.

[@gaminginstilllife9429]

@Going13ananas those were fun times.... I love VR and had fun doing it

[@franksmobawelttv]

Hallo vr flight Sim Guy. Ich hoffe du verstehst deutsch. Ich möchte mal eine ehrliche Meinung von dir! Ich habe eine pimax Crystal. Ich habe das Gefühl, dass die Hardware nicht mit der Crystal umgehen kann. Ich habe eine 4090 und einen 12900k. Ist eine somnium oder eine bigscreen wirklich besser, als eine Crystal? Mein größtes Problem ist die Klarheit! Es wirkt alles wie 1080p. Mein 1440p Monitor ist so viel klarer, als meine Crystal. Ist das ein Hardware Problem, oder liegt es an der VR Brille? Du hast so viele VR Brillen getestet! Was ist wirklich das Problem? Für eine ehrliche Meinung, wäre ich dir sehr dankbar!!!! Danke, dass es deinen Kanal gibt!. Greetings from Germany

[@IamGlobal73]

Ich glaube das gegenwärtige Hardware eh grundsätzlich Probleme mit VR hat, wenn es um Qualität geht. Ich habe eine BSB und finde das Teil Klasse - allerdings schafft es mein e Hardware (XMG Neo 16 14900HX und mobile RTX4090 mit Wasserkühlung) nicht die BSB auszureizen geschweige denn Supersampling - bzw. ich muss bei den MSFS Settings Abstriche machen. Das Problem bei diesen VR KZbinrn ist, dass hier kaum gezeigt werden kann, was sie im Headset tatsächlich zu sehen bekommen. Pimax ist mir einfach zu klobig -die BSB ist, selbst erprobt, komplett Langstrecken tauglich - damit kann ich stundenlang ohne Ermüdung in VR fliegen. Die Schwarzwerte in der BSB sind der Hammer. Die Linsenspiegelung (glare) stört mich nicht so arg und wenn, dann eigentlich nur während eines Nachtflugs. Bei DCS stört mich gar nichts - mehr kann man sich hier eigentlich nicht wünschen.

[@somerandomperson8282]

KZbin has a translate button underneath the post so he doe snot need to understand German.

[@bigmakbm1]

I'm looking at the new Vive Focus Vision 😮

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Still trying to get a review device from HTC, they did say I'd have one by October!

[@D-money813]

stop trying to save money by cutting corners people.......... its how you end up spending even MORE money.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

What is your comment in reference to? Sorry I'm a tad confused 😅

[@D-money813]

@@VRFlightSimGuy I was saying do not buy BSB because chances are you're going to be buying something else shortly after

[@stevetb7777]

@@D-money813 That's simply not the case for everyone. People already posted in the comments they are thrilled with their BSB.

[@rocksquared]

I would buy a Bigscreen Beyond if it had its own tracking and controllers, but no way I pay/install Valve Base Stations. I'll get it when they'll offer an all-in-one PCVR solution.

[@IamGlobal73]

I have learned to appreciate that my BSB utilises Base stations and the Valve Index controllers are fantastic - I would not want it any other way.

[@markkovalcson7243]

Meta is the only company with acceptable inside out tracking because they have a huge R&D department. The only way to get a headset with good enough tracking for FPS games etc.. is to use base stations, or have a multi-billion dollar budget like Meta has.

[@hynot9175]

ffs, insane prices for these gimmicks these days..... also that iphone decision is just sad, though others being iphone users they would be used to being sad, but gaye at the same time!

[@stevetb7777]

Gimmicks??? LOL. This clearly isn't for you. This is technology that I've longed for my entire life! So many have.

[@poolhallshark]

👍👍👍👍👍

[@Lonsome1223]

I've got the Q3 and can't wear it for long without discomfort.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

The Q3 is one of the most uncomfortable headset I've ever worn with the stock strap. I have a best accessories video that may help you here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZmaUqKWDr8Shl6s

[@victormaniaci2104]

Buy a better headstrap. There are tons of great options out there. The stock strap is not great.

[@Lonsome1223]

Thanks

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

@@Lonsome1223 Check out my comment above ^

[@tannerjack9520]

no way im paying 1k for a vr headset

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Well they are other options out there which are on this channel. Go check em out.