Ford 5.0 Coyote Oil Consumption FIX

[@mattphillips1910]

I have a 2020 5.0 F150. I also have the first truck I ever bought: A 1987 F250 diesel. The 1987 has half a million miles on it. The F150 has 21,000 miles on it. The F150 burns more oil than the 1987. a lot more. I just put 4 quarts in it tonight. That's what caused me to find this video. It's going on a road trip tomorrow and the motor would have been cooked if I didn't check it tonight. It was a gallon low. No noise; no warning lights; no nothing. I am not amused. Thank you for your video. But I suggest that everybody should check their damn oil!

[@wmjohnson7063]

You should have the low oil light switch check out

[@BrianBourgeois-]

That’s way beyond what ford allows. Have them fix it.

[@phillpholbrookjr.7084]

Me 2 I was going cross country I think I was 3 to 4 quarts low, no knock or gauge differences

[@erasmogonzales7428]

Same here, I always have to check and the darn thing is 4 quarts low all the darn time, within 3000 miles. That’s in the city miles

[@jwhmerica504]

Have you taken it in for the pcm update?

[@spirorevelis7100]

Give me a break! My 20 was guzzling 4.5 qts every 5k miles. Dont tell me not to check my oil. It got a new engine at 34k.

[@Fetner58]

I’ll give you a break, come sit on my knee I got some cheese for that wine.

[@glennw7118]

I understand his mindset but I'm 58 and I do check my oil. I have a gen2 2017 GT and I barely let my mileage go past 2500mi and I use full synthetic. My 2011 Mazdaspeed 3 doesn't burn oil but I still check . To hear a millennial say DO NOT CHECK YOUR OIL is crazy.

[@danwilliams8771]

My 2015 5.0 has been flawless going on 210 k miles ! No transmission issues … best truck I’ve ever owned

[@aquagnome1]

@danwilliams8771 Yeah got a 2015 5.0 too, but a mustang gt. I just wasn't a fan of the 18+ motor, transmission or Mustang front fascia redo, didn't like having an extra set of injectors with the Port Fuel Inject & the new Direct Inject fuel injectors, the 10 speed transmission and it's gear hunting ways...too many damn gears for an Auto to hunt through, and I was going for the Guard Metallic dark green grey also that was only available in 15 & 16, so I went with 15-16 5.0. For the changes that were put in place going from gen 2 to gen 3, I'd expect the HP and Torque gains to be considerably better and at least a little bump in mpg gains, but the mpg gains stayed the same if not a little worse and the HP gains aren't the greatest, keeping in mind that the Gen 3 throttle body is slightly larger also so really where did alot of it's power difference come from? Maybe I just need to see both gen 2 and gen 3 numbers with exact same mods side by side to notice the difference, maybe I'm missing something. I just don't see what's so much better about the 3rd gen over the 2nd gen coyote, 3rd gen fans make it seem like it's the reinvention of the wheel. They had to de-tune the 22+ models because of emissions, so really customers weren't getting 460hp, customers were getting 450hp the last couple years of it. I jus't don't feel the 3rd gen Coyote is all it's cracked up to be, I'd say just skip the 3rd gen Coyote and the 18-23 Mustang with that ugly front fascia (if for the mustang, my opinion...they ended up ditching that re-design anyways and going back with a 15-17 type style design for the S650, many were against the 18+ mustang looks in the beginning....then later went with it knowing they had no choice if wanting a new one), and go with the 2nd Iteration of combo Fuel Injection (Direct Inject and Port Fuel) in a Coyote and get the 24+ 5.0 Mustang or Truck. I added Oil Catch Cans to my 2nd gen 5.0 and naturally I have to check the oil anyways from time to time and empty those out. My other cars that i've previously driven were older and used, and I drove them well over 200k+ and almost 300k miles, and switched them to Mobil Full Synthetic with a little Lucas Oil Heavy Duty Stabilizer added after 100K so I'm used to checking the oil. Honestly I don't see how folks go without checking their oil every now and then!! Especially with the cost of vehicles now, my goodness. Though I know technology has come a long way. Good channel also, you all take care, ty.

[@redhunter68]

That's how my 2013 was except I traded it in at 80k miles, have had an 18 for the past 5 years now, better mileage but this oil burning issue started around 50k and the 10 speed is just ass. Has more power, though. Not sure I'm going to keep it much longer.

[@excelerater]

my 2015 F150,5.0 never uses oil 135K miles

[@bradbuchanan8153]

It's the 2018 through 2020 that are having the issues be thankful

[@tundras4ever552]

I check my oil every 500 miles regardless of vehicle or any known issues. Usually it’s every fillup . I’m also ocd but it’s a good habit to have

[@anthonybutterbaugh4252]

I couldn’t agree more.

[@clay1883]

That's kind of the way I do my '93 Toyota truck with 312K. miles on it. I check it after I change the oil to make sure it's full. Then again after the next change at 6K. miles. It is starting to have a consumption problem of almost a pint in 6K. miles. I might check on getting it reprogrammed.

[@usadaytrader]

I check my oil on an 05 Tacoma every 8k miles when I change the oil. Currently at 463k miles original everything

[@dougbrun7789]

Dont check your oil wtf 😅

[@Rob-tl9md]

I drive a toyota. I open my hood to change oil lol

[@jameshutchinson5469]

Here’s what I think you missed. The reason most of us are concerned is because these trucks cost so much to buy just to have an engine that uses oil from day one. There’s only so much warranty that we can get to help in the event the engine takes a dump. I have the 18 5.0 and I put a catch can on mine because the amount of oil I was losing was actually causing issues with how my truck ran. I ran top engine cleaner through it due to the fresh oil that was all in the throttle body. Seemed to have helped quite a bit but time will tell. I personally think Ford says this is a normal characteristic of the engine because they know they have a bad design. Also, do you have a fix for the timing chain rattle/slap on deceleration? Ford says that’s normal too. Never had a vehicle in my life that the timing chain rattled or slapped.

[@jasonbrewer8065]

I just found a TSB # 18-2354 for the timing chain rattle. There is a module update that can be done.

[@jameshutchinson5469]

@@jasonbrewer8065 yes sir. I had that TSB performed twice and didn’t change anything on my truck. I’m hoping this catch can will help keep the top end as clean as possible. Thanks for the info.

[@moej6014]

I started running E85 in my 18 5.0L a few months ago. The timing chain rattle on deceleration is almost nonexistent now. I get worse fuel mileage (400 miles per tank instead of 450 on 87 octane). Currently using about a quart of oil every 1,000 miles. I started checking mine more after I did an oil change and what was left over was under 6 quarts. Barely filled up the 5 quart jug to the very top. Also started smelling coolant on cold startup. Have to wait until next week to check that out.

[@ElMartilloBlanco]

@@moej6014 I've noticed improvement with E85 as well. It runs smooooth. Luckily it's about 30% cheaper than regular 87 where I'm at, so I actually save like $50 a month running E85 instead of 87, even with the loss in MPG.

[@wyliebrown5266]

@jasonbrewer8065 I agree with you. We spend too much money for these trucks to give us any cause of concern for any issues, much less have any. The PCV greatly helped my oil consumption though the level does still creep down some between changes As for the timing chain rattle on decel. What I found with mine was it is the VCT solenoid shuttering. Of course I was told this was normal but that's another story. Here is a link to the video I found while researching. I conducted the same brake torque test with my brother and we were able to pinpoint the two that shutter. Maybe it is the same noise your makes Maybe not but figured I would pass it along. Best of luck kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqa0mY2Iprd8qposi=L8-oMCvIjOwv_f4x

[@Pockits]

this guy comes to my work with a 19 platinum with the 5.0 and it’s got 90k on it now but since almost new (probably around 15k it started) he would come in with a check engine light and it was a low oil code every time. the most recent time he came in still had 1k left on his oil change and i had to add 6 quarts of oil just to get it on the dip stick again. and he’s not the only one that comes in with a 5.0 with consumption issues i just think people believe they need motors so they don’t speak up because this gentleman drives for a living and needs his truck and doesn’t have time to wait for a motor swap. but thank you for this info i will let the guy know this and hopefully he’ll go back to the dealer and get the reprogramming done. thank you!

[@Bostonharborwater]

Almost bought a 5.0 f150 new in 2019. Beautiful truck. Went with a 5.7 tundra instead. No oil issues. 😉

[@austinalba4176]

Dang thats a shame. My 2018 5.0 does burn a lot of oil but no issues. I run it to 6k miles before changing or topping off. Truck is now at 62k miles and due for another oil change

[@ernestrodriguez6851]

You are absolutely correct! Every ford V8 I have owned burns oil! I have this 2018 5.0 and it runs fine. The only concern with this model range was the 10 speed transmission issues. But I had a master mechanic fix that by disabling the adaptive learning tables. Not resetting but completely turning it off. Now it runs like as smooth as butter!

[@pickupman2649]

I agree with you. I have a 2019 5.0 f150 and I had the pcm reprogrammed. I think it helped but I wanted the auto learn system shut off as well and the dealer wouldn't do it. I think what is happening is when you are going down hill and the transmission down shifts is where the vacuum occurs especially when cruise control is on. I turn off cc when going down long steep grades and I think it has helped. I need to find a master mechanic to turn off the learning like you did.

[@FranciscoJavierOutdoors]

Did you do it at a dealership or outside mechanic shop?

[@BrianBourgeois-]

It will until it wears and the software doesn’t account for that because you turned it off. Nothing is free. Those days are over.

[@TrollinCrazyRussian]

Every? You never had 4.6l then cause mine never burn oil literally at fill mark start and end 5-7k miles oil used was Mobil 1 full synthetic then Amsoil then Motorcraft engine had 175k ish miles on it and everything was gold colored when peeking thur pour cap.

[@jeffreywhite7657]

Where is this master tech that can turn it off? My 19 needs it.

[@Twistedoff2]

Our fleet of F150's with 5.0's blew 4 engines in a fairly short period of time. The fleet investigations said it wasn't driver error, i.e. not changing the oil in the correct mileage(7500mi). Ford said it was from the start/stop feature. We now check our oil every week and the fleet is changing to Dodge(oh boy). There's something going on. I like my Ford and always have. I wish the problem could be figured out.

[@christopho3255]

I didnt expect you to say the problem is proactive mechanically inclined truck owners.... I've caught multiple issues dealers either ignored or didn't check while under warranty to the benefit of thousands in covered repairs for me and my family. The idea that we should simply trust that an engine or mechanical system is probably fine ignores the very real mechanical issues commonly found accross vehicled of previous generations. You could say don't worry as much about oil consumption on 18+ 5.0s but there are many other engine designs exhibiting problematic oil consumption from multiple manufacturers. The auto manufacturers are already trying to restrict owners right to repair in order to maximize service revenue including the basic ability for owners to access OBD data for simple repairs. There is clearly pressure to do away with useful features like oil and transmission dipsticks which would then require an expensive trip to the dealer or independent shop for simple diagnostic. Redundancy is good when the primary system relies on cheap electrical sensors and connectors exposed to extreme temperatures over time. I for one will not take your advice and encourage others to verify specs and be proactive informed consumers/owners.

[@jonwelch1096]

I understand what your saying about checking the oil excessively, however I am an old school mechanic and that habit which I believe is a good one is ingrained in me. With that said I was noticing that my oil level was dropping ....not alot but enough that it bugged me. I installed a aftermarket oil separator which solved that issue coming from my pcv line. I don't like the oil going into my throttle body. Which in turn is not going to be good for your valves etc. Granted I didn't have that much oil to begin with being consumed but in my opinion there shouldn't be any going back into the throttle body. Anyway that's my thought on the subject. Thank you for your videos I do enjoy watching them. Never to old to learn.

[@josephpuchel6497]

Hey I’m 63 mechanic for life. Always checked oil levels in my trucks and small engine equipment. I learned this early on . I had vehicles that never used any oil and all were pre 1980. My first new car was 84 Mustang GT with 5.0 5 speed . I went through quart of oil every 1000 miles or less. I traded it in year after.

[@tlucciono4569]

YOUNG female here with a 19' 5.0 and everything was fine until February. Truck started shutting off in traffic. Idling very weird. Jerking etc. Check engine came on. Computer said it needed a new solenoid. Changed that. Find out its 4qrts low on oil. Filled it back up. Drove smooth for about a week. Right back to the same results. A sip of oil here and there before I leave makes for a smoother ride. I have a service appointment scheduled. But the dealership is backed up. So I still have a full month left until I take it in.😢

[@BrianBourgeois-]

Motorcraft solenoid?

[@barrymantei7795]

On my 2018 5l I reduced oil consumption by switching from 5w20 to 5w30 oil. The sprayed on plasma cylinder liners may have something to do with the oil consumption.

[@WBOS72]

Im 51, i check my oil religiously, always have, always will. Great video.

[@shanehenderson9626]

Stop checking your oil is the funniest thing I've ever heard b😂

[@craigadair128]

I agree it’s the most basic thing you can do.

[@brettkoski]

I check my oil every time I fuel up. 36 gallon tank so every 800 miles or so. I kind of thought this was a normal procedure for people who care about their vehicles? Didn't realize I was in the 1%-5% who actually does this. I would add that I don't necessarily check my oil to see what the level is, but to get a general trend for how much I'm burning/using over a known period of time. This is mechanic 101 stuff here. If I'm regularly burning 1qt every 10,000 miles (2018 F150 5.0 with 90k miles), then all of a sudden it changes, I know something is up. This is a great way to diagnose and fix a problem before it requires an entire engine replacement, especially when you are out of warranty... The last thing we need to be telling people is to not check their oil. I'm also a previous owner of a Subaru STI, where if the oil light came on you have already destroyed your engine. YMMV. Monitor your fluid levels guys, it's literally just common sense.

[@greghalford2617]

I have a 2018 5.0 without update and between oil changes I go through 5 gals + of oil. it is a huge issue. thinking of getting the update done. I put 2.5 quarts in this morning. wasn't even showing on the dipstick. telling everyone not to check their oil is nuts.

[@jpete3027666]

That’s what Ford’s quality control has come down to. Oil consumption is normal, just stop checking it. Hilarious. I had an F150 and Mustang in the early 2000’s with the 4.6 and that was an incredibly reliable engine, neither one ever burned a drop. Ford isn’t what it used to be.

[@lukesdoings7150]

2020 5.0 61k miles. Just changed oil after 4500 miles because my oil level was barely on the dipstick. Turns out it consumed 3.5 quarts in that 4500 miles. Don't check your oil? Ridiculous. BTW I already had the TSB done with the reprogramming thing.

[@greghalford2617]

putting 5 gallons of oil between oil changes is nuts! mine would use only about 3 quarts. between oil changes.

[@jasonbrushett2005]

Hello from Nova Scotia Canada!! My 19' with 3.5 Ecoboost I do check weekly as I regularly tow up to 6000lbs wth that truck.91 fuel,and Mobil 1 5w30 full synthetic changed every 8000kms or 5000 miles never changes on the dipstick,ever

[@stevenmstrom305]

There is a huge problem with 5.0’s burning oil. Our company has large number of F1 50s 18 and up all burn oil. I’ve had to put up to 1 gallon one time on my valve started to rattle few of the guys have burn up their motors. Definitely check your oil guys.

[@dmandman9]

Have you had the reprogramming done? When we reprogrammed the pcm, it has fixed 90% of the oil consumption problems.

[@Jack-ox9iz]

I belong to several 18-21 f150 5.0 groups and very few have had the reprogramming tsb work. I didn't work on mine. I don't know where this 90% came from?

[@59ksmall]

@@Jack-ox9iz Same. Did not fix the problem. I even capped the pcv nipple and ran valve cover breathers and still burning 1 qt/1,500 miles.

[@kenwilson2314]

I’m going on engine number four on my 2018 f150 5.0 and the oil light doesn’t ever come on hell it never came on and I didn’t even have oil on my dipstick 😅 you are one funny guy.

[@austinalba4176]

So you had 3 engines lock up due to no oil?

[@jesusbarron8052]

I check my oil levels because of the random timing chain rattle that happens when level is low. Recently changed the MAP sensor and it was soaked in oil. Keep in mind I run an oil catch can.

[@jeffclark5024]

Funny there was no mention of the PTWA cylinder walls.. (plasma transferred wire arc) Oil consumption didn’t seem to be an issue on the gen 2 5.0’s. I don’t think stopping checking your oil is the answer. Just because it holds 9 damn quarts doesn’t mean it should burn 3 in 3-4K miles.

[@tsi-rocket4144]

The cylinder lining process caused the oil consumption issue 100%

[@richardscribben4352]

The rule always was, it is acceptable to use 1 quart in 3000 miles. Any more than that , you have a problem. I own 3 fords and none of them burn oil.

[@mjsouth1068]

Stop checking your oil, wait till the engine starts knocking. Then you have good reason to check your oil.

[@blackcoffee730]

Knock knock...

[@chrisleach2695]

I have a 2018 5.0 F150 and after a 5 minute idle when I step on the gas, Oil smoke is completely billowing out of the exhaust pipe. I also have to add at least 6 quarts between oil changes. The mechanic installed a new dipstick per Ford's bulletin, which i now learned lowered the minimum level indicator line on the dipstick to attempt to hide the problem.

[@SoFressh]

Mine doing the exact same thing 2018 5.0

[@lm-usmc]

I can't believe a mechanic is telling us to stop checking our oil. That just doesn't sound right. Out of sight, out of mind, I suppose? Any new engine that consumes a quart or more in 3k miles has a problem. My 2019 with 33k miles burns more than a quart every 3k, and yes, I have a catch can. It catches ounces. I'm assuming the rest is plugging up my engine and catalytic converter?? My 7.3 diesel with 400k doesn't even use that much oil.

[@tomdunn2583]

AND...on a KNOWN oil using motor! I wouldnt trust SHIT this guy says would YOU?

[@fuckjewtube69]

Youre not a mechanic. Nobody cares who you listen to.

[@kevinbarton4012]

KZbin Ford Boss Me has a video of a 5.0 that was still using oil after the reprogramming. They were waiting on a replacement engine and found it was nolonger made. There is LP version that he was able to get(block only). All parts could be swapped. He said they are now saying the process to harden the cylinder walls was bad. The LP engine is made different. My son-in-law had a 5.0, it was still using oil after the reprogramming. He traded it off.

[@OGwheaty]

The LP engine still has the plasma spray cylinder liner. Something with the valvetrain is a little beefier but the oil consumption issue can still happen in the LP engine. Either way you get a little more piece of mind having a better replacement option having the LP engine put in.

[@donaldbuscher4885]

That's the problem with trading it back to the dealer. I bought a used 2019 ford f150 with 29k on dash and after a moth of owning it I went to add washer fluid and just checked the oil for shots and it was 2 qts low. Now I'm adding 1 qt every thousand miles. I took it to dealer and they did the dipstick tsb and still has the problem. How is it ok for ford to know of this problem and tell you to trade it in for a new one then resell it to someone like me has a gold certified truck. At these prices you shouldn't have to do anything but brakes and tires for the first 100k.

[@jimmyyarbrough8475]

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[@snowfreak207]

Its extremely aggravating and some bs ​@@donaldbuscher4885

[@williamcarter4705]

The new longer dipstick is Ford's way of saying we are topping up too often unnecessarily but without saying, yeah, we still think it's going to burn off a lot of oil regardless of their fix. I bet the majority of the oil is getting past the rings while it's warming up, and add some deceleration to your local stop signs etc to the condition.

[@JC_AUTO831]

i check the oil on my 05 Silverado every time i fill up with gas. i never see anyone else doing it though. great video!!

[@Zan0_oX]

Gotta love that 5.3-6.0 I got a 01 silverado 20 yr old truck and engine..thing still runs great and doesn't burn oil!

[@fordmud]

I don't believe vacuum is the problem, the first gen 5.0l in the trucks, atleast in my experience, have had zero oil consumption in 5k miles. And the one I have tows for an entire oil change without burning a drop. And the DSFO when engine braking generates so much vacuum it pegs out most vacuum gauges and still doesn't pull oil into the combustion chamber. It has to be an engineering flaw in the newer engines like lower tension piston rings or possibly micro porosity in the new plasma liners. And in this day I don't believe oil consumption is normal for any engine, I've been around engines enough and built so many that a well built engine can run for atleast 150k without using oil.

[@thunderroad7289]

Guess I’ll keep running my 2013 f 150 with the 5.0 it has 305 thousand miles and still does not use or burn any oil

[@Jay-j6s6r]

I cured my oil consumption in my 2019 F150 5.0! I sold it! Done with Ford!!

[@michaelmcduff2263]

What a joke new vehicles are.

[@steverothgery3234]

I’ve been running 5.0 motor’s between 2018-2020 needing cam phasers, my personal truck and some in our fleet. The phasers clack under load and sound like a 3.5 starting. One truck in our fleet is a 2020 5.0 with 34k miles and it burns 6 quarts of oil in a 3000 mile period, with no dash indicators regarding oil level or pressure. It will eventually misfire and run horribly. We explain to the driver to check and they refuse.

[@appleiphone69]

I’m under 65 and I check my oil periodically in all my cars. I have a 2019 Mustang GT with a 5.0. With the strut tower brace, it’s not the easiest to pull the dipstick and have the confidence that you are getting a good measurement.

[@chiefordnance]

If you put a UPR catch can on it, you would trap the oil 🛢 before it went in pcv and intake valves.

[@fireriders8319]

Ok I agree but with a new truck with less than 36,000 why should I have to do anything like a catch can. Then what do I do with the oil in the catch can? Just keep throwing it away?

[@OctaneSlain]

@@fireriders8319 Even a car that's brand new with ZERO miles would benefit from an oil catch can. Like he said, it traps those oil vapors before being burned off inside the combustion chamber. Keeps the intake, valves, and pistons much cleaner. And you literally empty the can at every oil change, that is, if you even change your own oil.

[@rosseowens]

Don't some of those catch cans dump back into the valve cover?

[@eastsideplayaaa]

​@@rosseowens yes they do

[@Jeffintheglen]

@@rosseowensdoesn’t that defeat the purpose of the catch can? Key word- “catch”

[@JEFFRIETREECE]

Hello Mayson & ALL !! Thanks for the video on the " oil-burn / Oil-checking " ideas !! I am 71 & have always checked/oil in all my cars ( mostly on a weekly basis ). Consider this; Even though Ford " might " have designed the 5.0 to run on oil levels from 6qts to the full 9qts; those actual 3 quart-oil-volumes add to so much more about support of the entire engine ( cooling, carbon-load of the oil, etc, etc ). Keep up the great-work on the videos !!! Tks Again, jeffrie / Camas, WA

[@jimmillet1442]

People have to realize these engines have extremely durable forged pistons in them and a side affect of that is using oil! Forged pistons have to be installed with alot looser tolerances as they expand alot when they heat up.Its the same deal with the 5.0 mustangs in the 80s/90s.They used forged pistons also and i bought one new in 86.It used a quart every 1500 miles but Ford had so many complaints about it that starting in late 92 they switched to cheaper hypereutectic pistons and had no more complaints but alot of people that supercharged there 5.0 after the switch smoked there engines not knowing they started putting cheaper parts in them.Its a trade off!

[@greggstoel5030]

I have a 2019 F150 with the 5L V8 and have had many oil consumption problems. Two times it was in to be reprogrammed to fix the excessive oil consumption (1 quart every 1,000 or so miles). I now have it in the they said the sulfur content in fuel breaks down the cylinder wall coating. The fix this time is to have a brand new engine put in, luckily I have an extended warranty on the powertrain. The problem is the Ford service at the dealership said it took 8 to 9 months to fix the last truck they had in for the same problem. Obviously I am not happy about having to wait. Not sure if anyone else has a similar situation or have experienced that long of a wait.

[@jpasc611]

I work on a fleet of these trucks in the f150 and there are a handful of the 5.0L that inhale oil , guaranteed they are abused. The update helped some of them

[@sleathers1551]

i would say that alot of todays engines have consumption issues is because of the low tension oil control rings.plain and simple

[@mikeburchett-bs3qw]

100%

[@chadthedrywaller6859]

I can agree with that and I'll also add that it may have something to do with the spray welded cylinders that started in 18 model year Sleeved cylinders in the 17 m.y.

[@pickupman2649]

I have a 2019 5.0 f150 with the 10 speed transmission. I think that the vacuum is also created when going down hill and the transmission down shifts. I started tapping the brakes before going down hill so the transmission doesn't down shift and noticed the consumption isn't nearly as much. I wanted the dealer to turn off the auto learn feature on the transmission but they wouldn't do it. I also try to check my oil once a week because if it were to blow I don't want my warranty to be void.

[@CaptainRon13]

As a long time Ford truck owner I say this. Great information. What I found most interesting is your comment on oil volume range. 6 quarts minimum,,for regular operations. Could it be the “extra 3 quarts in the oil pan is to increase your oil change intervals? I check the oil on my 2019 (5L), every 1000 miles. After the reprogramming, I burn 1 quart in 3000 miles. Instead of adding, I change oil. Again that for the info, it really helps this 60 something driver.

[@slyfox4564]

ive seen old crown vics with 400k miles that don't burn anywhere near that much

[@herbb8547]

I have a 2016 with the gen2 5.0L Coyote engine. It has over 100K miles and has never burned any oil. Ford increased the compression ratio from 10.5/1 to 12.0/1 when they went to the gen3 in 2018. What did they expect to happen? All that pressure blows oil right past the rings. Duhhh!

[@swamprat57]

I have a 2019 5.0 F150 with 70000 miles on it. I don't check my oil and when my check engine light came on I went to youtube to see what was out there. The first video I saw said check your oil, which I did. The level didn't even register on the dipstick. I was close to needing an oil change so I put 4-5 quarts of oil in it to register to the bottom mark on the dipstick. The check engine light went off after a short trip to the store and then had my oil changed 2 days later. I would like to reduce oil consumption so I'm researching the issue. Nice video!

[@ksamos]

A contributing factor is the thinner 20 weight oil so many vehicles “require”. Need to go back to 30 weights. The ever so slight fuel mileage difference would barely, if ever, be noticeable in real world driving. To give advice to not check your oil is very dangerous territory to be in. You always need to be on top of all your fluid levels. Oil consumption can be just the beginning of an upcoming engine issue. Burning too much oil also shortens the life of your catalytic converter as there or more pollutants for it to break down. Not having dipsticks is also a very dangerous trend. We, the vehicle owners, need to be able to check fluid levels on our own without having to take them to a shop. There is no such thing as thing as a lifetime oil or any fluid. That is a major offender with tranny fluid. The manufactures want to sell vehicles and they can not sell as many if their vehicles last many 100’s of thousands of miles. Always keep a close check of your fluid levels, top off when needed, and change fluids often if you want a long lasting, hopefully problem free vehicle. Oil is cheap, engines are expensive.

[@brandon9715]

I’m 33 and check oil on everything I use. For outdoor equipment like mowers, snowblower, etc I check before I start them every time. For my truck I do every month or so. I think it’s absurd to never check oil and to think it’s ok to be burning 1 qt every 3,000 miles. Going the specified OCI that would mean over 3 quarts low.

[@matthewfrancis1360]

I had this in my 2018 f150 5.0. I drove from NY to WA this summer. I had the oil changed right before I left. I had about a week of continuous driving. When I got to the WA border I noticed a rough idle and performance issues. The check engine light came on with misfire codes. Took it into Ford and they performed the dipstick and reprogramming TSP. Lower oil levels caused too much vacuum. The engine stopped having issues but noticed it wasnt idling as smooth. Pulled the spark plugs and they seemed to have allot of burnt oil on them.

[@mrmatt7210]

Quote " A thousand miles and the oil wouldnt be touching the dip stick." "After a couple thousand miles it would be 2-3 quarts of oil low" Ford TSB states oil consumption at a quart of oil every 3000 miles is normal, but the above comments would imply the oil consumption for many is well above normal. The mechanic would imply this isnt an issue because more owners dont complain, but if they checked their engines oil consumption they probably would. Clearly there IS a problem , but the average person dont know it. Ok , so whats the fix? This mechanics opinion is to "Stop Checking Your Oil." Thats correct, just ignore it until you have engine knock or warning lights. I suppose with an 8qt capacity you could burn a good bit of oil and still retain enough to keep your engine lubricated. Simple math would share a quart every 1500 miles would have you 5 quarts down from your 8 quart capacity between oil change intervals. If you dont care about oil consumption, you may wish to take a look at the cost to replace your catalytic converters as this bathing in oil can definitely shorten its life. I wouldnt ignore a loss of coolant , leaky roof or window, loss of air pressure in my tires, loss of transmission fluid, loss of power steering fluid or any other issue and the idea of "Stop checking and you wont know there is a problem" is a bit ridiculous in my opinion. Considering the cost of a Ford F150, owners deserve a reliable engine which uses very little oil between changes.

[@joe7327]

The reprogramming did help my 2018. It was using 2 quarts in 5000 miles. I change oil every 5000 miles. And yes, I check my oil at least once a week, after it sits for at least 30 min.

[@dylanc.5269]

I just got the TSB 19-2365 done to my 2020 5.0 and I just hit 2,000 miles post TSB and my engine consumed about 1 quart. I’ve heard switching from 5w-20 to 5w-30 has helped some 5.0 owners so I’m considering to switch oil weights myself. What I really don’t understand is why my oil cap says 5w-20 but my owners Manual says to use 5w-30. I even asked the people at my local Ford dealership about that and they said just to use whatever the oil cap reads lol.

[@highwayhooligan2517]

I switched to 5w-30 and it retained more oil and has down about a quart at 5k miles on the oil. I’ve heard some people go even thicker with 5w-50 so that might be an option if you’re in a warmer climate

[@John-cj7et]

I also thought the manual said 5W-30, however, the diagram and 5W-30 statement is from the previous engine, the 3.5 ecoboost. The page break makes it look like you are looking at 5.0 specs.

[@DBravo29er]

A thin 40 weight, like Mobil 1 0w-40 FS....is basically a 0w-35 oil and could be a great oil for 5.0's in the South. I had an Explorer 2.0 EB that loved the M1 0w-40, btw.

[@59ksmall]

Yes your 2020 (same as mine) 5.0 calls for 5w-20. Ford switched back to 5w-30 for the 5.0 in 2021 (engine has cylinder deactivation). I believe the switch to 5w-20 was for fuel economy. No longer needed with cylinder deactivation in 2021, so back to 5w-30. I will be changing over to 5w-30 next oil change to see if it helps the oil consumption issue.

[@rogerzebrowski9426]

They've recommended a switch to 5w30

[@J_J_Ander]

Once a week at a minimum are my vehicles oil checked. When we go out on a drive I check it. Granted i have a 13 f150 and stand on my frame in front of radiator to check it. My wife gets so frustrated cause she wants to go and I'm checking ool

[@kevinsaint20]

Hey brother, I have a 2012 f150 with the 5.0 and I’ve recently been seeing a few things about exhaust valves getting too hot on cylinders 4 and 8, causing them to wear down, recess, and tulip. Is this something that happens often or should I just forget about it?

[@markk3652]

I figured that the extra oil capacity was to keep the oil temperatures down. These engines made their comeback in 2011, that’s the one I own. They have oil jets that spray up from the crankcase onto the bottom of the pistons. That helps keep combustion temperatures controlled and consistent. That extra volume helps dissipate that heat while going through the engine oil cooler.

[@jwhmerica504]

If I remember right only the mustangs have the oil squirter‘s.

[@markk3652]

@@jwhmerica504 nope, the F150 has them too. Only real difference between the truck and the car engine is the exhaust manifolds, and the tune on the ecu. The truck is set up for more torque.

[@marktarascio4766]

​@@markk3652Not true the intake Is different and the compression ratio is lower.

[@markk3652]

@@marktarascio4766 splitting hairs here. Basic engine architecture is the same, you’re correct, I overlooked the intake and compression ratio. My point was more about the oil capacity and the reason for it.

[@rickyricketts604]

What is the difference between the 15-17 5.0 and why do the newer trucks consume oil? What changed?

[@Brian_195]

Cylinder sleeves went away in 2018 and the era of plasma liners took their place, increasing blow by.

[@dmandman9]

You’re mostly correct. The tsb fixes the consumption problem AND the psychological problem. The new pcm strategy usually reduces the consumption to below 1 qt/3000 miles. The new dipstick increases the range between full and add to TWO quarts instead of the usual 1 qt range. So a person can go the customary 6000 miles between oil changes without having to add oil. That fixes the psychological problem. As a result, about 90+ % of the problems have been fixed with the tsb.

[@asherdie]

Typical Ford, don't do anything to fix issue but convinces the ignorant they have.

[@gregorymalchuk272]

What does the PCM do to reduce vacuum under coast? Put the electronic-throttle wide open?

[@dmandman9]

@@gregorymalchuk272 it says the purpose of the old dashpot on carburetors that delayed throttle closing. it’s simply cracked open the throttle slightly. Which slightly reduces vacuum when coasting. Excess vacuum can pull oil past the ring and valve seals . Older fuel injected cars simply kept the idle air control valve slightly open to accomplish the same job

[@gregmeyer2897]

As a ford owner I always check oil and fluid levels every month I still have my 66 GT 350 and disappointed in the new trucks burning oil, but am told Gas is dirty for the earth

[@beanboy367]

Really appreciate all the time you put into these videos and the information you supply us. Can you do some videos on becoming a certified mechanic explaining to young men the correct process and what you went through to become a certified mechanic. Could you go into detail on your Snap On tool cabinet and the tools and costs to get started. What is necessary and what’s not. You’re an inspiration to many people out here for your hard work and knowledge you bring to the profession and these videos. Thank you so much. Keep up the good work.

[@BLDBLD-q2p]

If the 2018 5.0 already has a mild rod noise ….. should I back away from buying it?

[@davidaverett2314]

I have a 2018 Platinum - It drinks oil and I do check it quite often. The 3K miles is a joke. Seems like it consumes more oil under a load. So it varies. I checked it before pulling my boat and it was full. Went on a weekend trip with the boat and came back 4 quarts low. Lucky that a check engine light came on to let me know something wasn't right. The 5w 20 synthetic is way too thin (like water). Thats why I think it burns so quickly. Looking for a thicker or better oil to put in.

[@rogerzebrowski9426]

Ford now uses & recommends 5w30 for all 4th Gen 5.0 F-150's

[@spencer2.032]

I bought a 18 5L from Georgia in july of 23 and when I got it she was basically brand new and only had 60k miles. When It got delivered she was making some weird noises since i had to put about 4 quarts into it to fill it back up. I assume the old owner never checked the oil besides regular maintenance. In October of 23 my catalytic converters died since they were plugged and one side even had some unburnt oil on the flange. Safe to say she got highflow cats but I have now tried 5-30 and a quart of lucas oil additive to slow the burn since i dont want to put more converters into it

[@baljeetseggzy7746]

Ur Lucas additive did it help slow down the oil consumption?? I thought about trying it

[@spencer2.032]

@@baljeetseggzy7746 yeah it did help I put about one to 2 quarts in and just full syn, 5-30 motorcraft for a oil change

[@baljeetseggzy7746]

@@spencer2.032 I use the synthetic blend Motorcraft (haven’t seen full synthetic). Going to probably give it a try here soon just changed my oil about 500 miles ago so still new. Would the synthetic blend be different then full? And did you use the normal one or the high mileage

[@spencer2.032]

@@baljeetseggzy7746 i mean depends on how many miles you have but regular is thicker and that slows it down better

[@baljeetseggzy7746]

@@spencer2.032 only got 100k on my 5.0 going to try out the high mileage and just do one quart and next change do 2 if I see improvement

[@franksta2006yeah]

I’m having to put a quart ever 1500-2000 miles. I check my oil every other fill up because the low oil issue screwed up the vct solenoids. Is this reprogramming free?

[@scottwidrick1835]

I think you might have a different perspective if you owned one. While a lower oil quantity may be ok for the engine., what does the ingested oil due to the engine long term? I change my own oil at 50% oil life which is around 4000 miles. I am down at least 2 quarts including the filter oil. I use Pennzoil ultra full synthetic. I am only 55 and still check the oil about every 1000 miles or less when towing. Thanks for the update.

[@fireriders8319]

What's it doing to your Cat and muffler?

[@scottwidrick1835]

I installed an oil catch can at about 25000 miles to help with that very issue. Time will tell?@@fireriders8319

[@dieselsoggydog6299]

Another reason for oil consumption could be oil dilution by fuel contamination. When the engine oil reaches operating temp, the vapors of diluted oil burn off through the intake PCV. Haven't owed a gasser in decades, but I had a diesel that fuel entered the engine through the lift pump. I caught it before any damage because I always check the oil level before starting. So not checking the oil doesn't sound like good advice.

[@RaymondUrias]

What are your thoughts on oil catch cans on the 5.0?

[@Brian_195]

I haven’t had an oil consumption issue on my 2019 F-150 Roush with the 5.0L. I have a JLT oil catch can to catch any oil coming up through the PCV valve just in case, though. But, even with the catch can, it doesn’t catch too much oil coming up through the PCV valve.

[@DJN3m3sis]

Great video. Just want to give you an update. This engine issue happened with old models. I'm a 2016 owner. Catch can is extremely helpful.

[@christopherdimotsis1024]

Consuming 1/4-1 quart of oil over 4-5k miles is absolutely great. Some oil will get consumed past the piston rings and some through the PCV system but if your consuming 1.5-3 quarts over a 5k oil change interval I’d say it’s excessive

[@georgegravette1132]

I don't own one of these, but I'm curious: what does Ford specify as the oil change interval for this engine? I drive a 4.6, and I almost never check my oil between its 4000 mile oil changes. I figure if it ever drains out less than the 6 quarts I put in, then it's time to start checking it more regularly.

[@TheKegs96]

Ran 5k miles on my 19 before I changed this morning. Only had 4.7 quarts left when drained. I contacted Ford today.

[@rosseowens]

Exactly this!! 💯

[@dirtysouthmotosports84]

Can you make a video on the 18-20 knocking sound on passenger side??

[@TimVincek]

I'm an old guy who checks oil. I agree with you, my 2019 5.0 burns it but I do not see any issues that would cause concern. No smoke, no drips, no thrown rod, and plugs are fine. Send it!

[@dmandman9]

I remember when I was younger, the owners manuals recommended checking the oil every fill up. An engine was not considered to be burning oil unless it was 1 qt per 500 miles. It was unusual for an engine to go between oil changes without using at least one qt of oil

[@zachouch1315]

Thank goodness those days are over!

[@fireriders8319]

I am using a crazy amount of oil. Between each oil change there is NOTHING on the dipstick.

[@dmandman9]

@@fireriders8319 Did you have the TSB Performed yet? It has probably helped over 90% of the cars we performed it on and made it where the oil consumption had dropped to LESS THAN 1 qt/3,000 miles. In most cases they no longer have to add oil between oil changes. There were a FEW it didn’t fix. But not many.

[@fireriders8319]

Yes they did the TSB which involved the dipstick and reprograming the computer. What's funny is I've been in the automotive business for over 45 years so I marked my dipstick before I took it to Sayville Ford for the TSB. They said they changed it and did the drive computer reprogram. Lo and behold my engraved mark was right there on the dipstick. I have the frame for the sign completed and my friend is having the billboard made up to go on it. I will park this lemon pick up in front of every Ford dealer on Long Island before Christmas for sure.

[@asherdie]

Yeah, the roaring 20s was great.

[@CactusJack252]

I have a 2022 F-150 with a 5.0. I tuned it to turn off cylinder dedication. I have driven my truck all up and down the east coast. It has been from Tampa, Fl all the way to NYC. I live in VA and plan to drive it to Canada next year. It's never let me down

[@davidbaird147]

Thanks for the video. My 2018 just went into "limp mode". I didnt even know that was a thing. Im driving doen a 2 lane back road and alarm after alarm went off. Truck immediately lost power. No gas what so ever. Luckiky it did this after i made it to the top of the hill and i coasted around a curve to a church parking lot. I turned tge truck off, waited a few minutes, and then restarted just fine. Started doing some Google searching and found out low oil could cause it. Went directly to get oil change. 3 quarts low. Tgats when i found out about limp mode. Very thankful for that design. Again, thanks for the video. Puts my mind at ease knowing that the oil IS going somewhere. Had me baffled for a bit.

[@bradleycase4391]

Have a 2020 5.0 f150 put in an oil catch can and has helped. Never had this problem with this truck but knew of this and installed catch can to help.

[@mccluremetalworks4214]

Is the pcm update something a ford dealership will do under a warranty?

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

Most people Aren't reporting the oil leak issues that's why only 20 or so Have showed up with bad oil consumption issue lots of people See the oil consumption issue and Don't Trust the dealer or a Mechanic to fix it because it's been going on For years back to the 14 year models also

[@lilchirp4846]

So what was the problem with the older than 2018 5.0 coyote oil loss?

[@Viono-wm1ef]

It's now 20k since the dealership started the consumption test and is still going. I just dropped it off again. Thanks for the update. Don't buy F-150

[@Viono-wm1ef]

Update* Ford installed a new engine due to excessive oil consumption. After 20k test after test. Finally.

[@michaelhendrickson8468]

I absolutely agree it’s not internal damage but I have a 19 f150 with a 5.0. It uses oil. I started having some stalling and rough idle. The dealership cleared my codes and said my truck was a quart low and they added oil and for me to keep an eye on my oil level. My problem is the vct or maybe vvt solenoids. I’ve been watching KZbin videos for the same exact issue with no check engine and I need to get this fixed. This is a huge issue. Please post a video for this issue!

[@michaelhendrickson8468]

These solenoids are definitely a issue.

[@kwikshift00]

He has a video posted already speaking about that failure mode.

[@ef6250]

Interesting opinion. I could understand a truck with 150-200k burning some oil, but any decent modern engine under 100k shouldn’t burn a quart of oil in an oil change interval. Why doesn’t the last gen coyote have this issue? Sleeve vs coating. I’m definitely guilty of not checking my oil. Every oil change my 3.5 drops 6 quarts and no leaks. Until either of those change I’m not too worried.

[@anthonybutterbaugh4252]

You should be worried more about a low coolant reservoir indicating turbo leaks, and also clacking that indicates cam phaser issues. Those 3.5s have made a lot of techs a lot of money.

[@ef6250]

@@anthonybutterbaugh4252 that’s what ford extra care is for.

[@anthonybutterbaugh4252]

@@ef6250 that’s exactly why shops are losing customers by the tens of thousands though!

[@landrydale2331]

I'm old school. I check my oil regularly. In my last oil change cycle, in 6100 miles, I had to add 6 quarts of full synthetic and it was at least a quart low when I changed it. That's unacceptable. Had I not checked and added it would have had about 2 quarts in the pan. My dealer said to bring it in and they.will diagnose and he said probably replace the engine. It currently only has 31k miles. My 02 Dodge 2500 v10 has 125k miles and uses about a quarter of a quart in 3k oil change cycle. My 01 jeep has 230k miles and uses about a quart in 3k miles. When I talked to the dealer about the oil consumption, first thing he said....oh great, not another one. If they don't replace the engine I'm trading it in for a new Ram.

[@jessierubio246]

lmmfao i hear yah i was a gm tech for years and i saw the same thing just not as crucial .but in my opinion most social media experts do really have a life they just love to complain about something .especially if they don't know what there talking about .it is a proven theory if you remove so much oil from an engine it will make more horsepower on a Dyno do to less oil slap .these engines today burn oil even ls engines but like you said do your maintenance and you wont ever see an issue or think you even have an issue .those who don't do there maintenance blow up there engines then want to blame someone else .that's how simple it actually is

[@slowmo0925]

I have 2015 5.0 never had oil issue.From change to change always same level.100 000 km right now. I have recently noticed leak from vct solenoid seal...on driver side.

[@wdwilson397]

I have a 1rst gen 2012 5.0 I bought used w/ 130k (very clean truck). With fresh oil change I drove a cross country move towing heavy and runs perfect and now at 145k less than a quart low after 4500 mi. Oil was black after the move. Why do these newer 5.0's have such a problem with oil loss??

[@alexmazzilli9417]

My 2018 5.0 is burning about 1 quart every 1k miles so I’ve been checking every fuel up or two

[@jasonhowe6775]

My 18 5.0 mustang burns oil but I try to check it every other tank of fuel. Now if we could figure out the type writer tick

[@TylerCircello]

I have a 2016 f150 5.0 and it has about 123k miles trying to decide if I should stick with 5w20 or switch to 5w30

[@Edgar_Acosta]

Switch to 5w30. Add a bit more protection.

[@Wowzers2006]

Mine only uses a half-quart every 3000 miles at the most. You really do have to get it to temp, shut it off and wait 45 minutes or you'll never get a consistent reading on the stick. I think a contributing factor is the trucks probably run higher oil temperatures than the Mustangs to get the oil thinner for better fuel economy. I know I catch more trash-oil in my truck's PCV catch can than I did in any of my Mustangs, which I think has to do with higher temps creating more vapor in the crankcase. I'd also be curious if the piston ring packs are lesser friction between the truck and Mustang 5.0 to help with MPGs. IDK though. It's not a big deal for me, I just keep an eye on it.

[@appleiphone69]

My 2019 GT recommended oil viscosity is 0w-20. They say to use 5w-30 for tack use and to switch it back to 0w-20 afterwards. So let’s see, buy 10 qtrs of synthetic 5w-30 then replace it with ten quarts of 0w-20. Yeah nope. I can’t track mine because there are no tracks near me and it’s a vert.

[@mikebraz25]

Um transmission fluid may not 'evaporate' but can make it's way into the transfer case without you ever knowing.

[@carlmarshall6666]

I have 90,000 miles, and mine has just started using oil after a drive in the mountains. I also noticed a lot of soot in my tail pipe. Do you think this would harm the converters, and cause build up on the back of the valves?

[@tomperry56]

Sounds a little skewed because his paycheck comes from Ford. He does bring up some excellent points. I have never checked my oil unless I have to. 1) purchased a used 2019 f150 - 5.0 because of reliability. 2) unfortunately after about 7,000 miles after an oil change, heard tapping, extra knocks and eventually a “check engine” light. 3) checked the oil and nothing showed on the dipstick. 4) after adding oil all knocking and tapping went away. 5) found it weird that I received knocking , tapping then a check engine light came on without any oil indicator lights. My conclusion is that there is a problem but I will have to see if this pcm update fixes my issue

[@TheJohnnyboy7269]

I’m going to be in the market for a new truck and I was looking at a few 2020 f-150 with the v8, we you recommend that year or should I stay away from them

[@A-A-Ron3]

I think there is a point of over consumption...but i agree with not checking your oil i change mine on the regular (5000km im Canadian) sometimes if i just cant get to it i run it to 8000km which is what i was writing on window stickers at the dealer...either way ive never added oil just change and go...if i suspect an issue ill check it to see whats going on...if i think it's excessive ill look for where it may be going (valve stem seals, piston rings, leaks)... anyway not everyone is going to agree with this video but it doesn't matter i don't see anyone else coming up with solutions...im 50/50 on this video tho but kudos for putting it out there

[@DirtMcGert29054]

I drive a 2018 for work , got it with 2000 miles in august 2018 , have just over 160k on it now , and I have to add 5 quarts between oil changes , right before the warranty ran out I noticed it ran like crap in a sharp turn or on a hill , similar to when the cam phaser failed under warranty , I called the dealership and they said it would be 2 weeks before they could get to it … so I figured I would pop the hood and see if I could find something that was obviously wrong … well I had to add a gallon of oil to get it the dipstick wet

[@TXFirefly84]

My 2019 F150 5.0 is now currently at the dealer. 25k miles on the truck. Aside from now needing VCT solenoids my trucks burns 1 quart every 2k miles. That is extremely excessive in my opinion. Thanks for the info on the bulletin. I'm passing the info along.

[@rogerzebrowski9426]

Use 5w30 as Ford now recommends, just about to purchase a 22 XLT with 8,569 miles, 1st thing I'm gonna do is change the oil & use 5w30

[@PBVader]

Been checking oil since i was 7 years old, ain't stopping now. Wow, just wow, and i drive fords. Ranger 2.5, over 180K, 6 quart due to the ph8a mounted vertically, doesn't burn oil. 14 coyote, 166K, just started to burn a quart during last 10K. The beatings and oil checks on these will continue until fords customer care improves.

[@chrisdavis8981]

I’ve definitely noticed top end ticking when my truck is down 1 1/2-2 quarts. Would it be lifter tick? No loss of oil pressure. 2018 f150 5.0 47k miles

[@tomdunn2583]

2 Things I did that may help, and it WASNT stop checking the oil...1. Install a new PCV valve, They're cheap may as well. 2. Go to 5W30 oil to possibly lessen the use.

[@jaredteasdale7414]

Unrelated issue, the top end of the passenger side of the block(I have an 18 5.0) is making what sounds a like a tap noise, I see some that say it’s a roller issue and others that say it’s simply the VCT solenoid or HPFP. Any ideas fellas?

[@Jack-ox9iz]

If it wasn't an issue Ford wouldn't be handing out replacement engines and they wouldn't have discontinued the gen 3 5.0. This is a major issue. It is also much larger than you are making it out to be. When you burn so much oil that you can hear your timing chains flopping around and you get P0390/P0394 codes, that is a problem. I have a 2014 5.0 that doesn't use a drop. I hope you get your clicks and comments.

[@blackcoffee730]

This!

[@americanmutt7629]

Love the channel. I have a 2019 5.0 and it seems to be ok. But I do like having a mechanic that knows about my coyote. Thanks buddy. 😎