Ford F150 5.0L Coyote V8 Engine Towing **Heavy Mechanic Review** | Better then the EcoBoost??

I review a 2023 Ford F150 5.0L coyote V8 engine as a heavy duty mechanic and compare it to the 3.5L EcoBoost when it comes to towing. I compare acceleration, torque, fuel economy (mpg), engine braking and generally how each engine tows a heavy loaded trailer. Overall both f150 engines are good at towing.
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I hope everyone is having a good week. As per your request I put the 5L V8 coyote engine against the 3.5l ecoboost and compared both of them for their towing ability.
the first thing I noticed with the 5L is that the low end torque is not there in comparison to the ecoboost. this results in the 5L engine having the revv much higher to get the same power to the wheels.
the F150 chassis was once again very solid and handles the large loaded trailer pretty easily for a 1500. one thing that surprised me was that the truck dropped an extra 3/4" with the exact same load. very interesting as to why that was the case because these are the exact same trucks.
in the acceleration test to 70mph the 5L kept up with the ecoboost very well. the ecoboost is a very fast engine and was still a little quicker with the fully loaded trailer behind it.
both these truck have 3.31 gears in them as well as the 10 speed transmission so there should be no difference on that front other then the ecoboost being able to stay in higher gears because of the low end torque.
when towing on the highway the biggest difference to me was that the 5L coyote engine had to constantly downshift in order to maintain speed. meaning the truck was always at higher rpms.
dispite the 5L coyote engine having higher RPMS it was significantly more fuel efficient which was a surprise to me. in comparison to the 3.5L ecoboost the 5L used much less fuel over the towing test and it just goes to show how thirsty that ecoboost engine really is.
overall I liked the 5L towing. I think it has plenty of upper end power to help pull those heavier trailers and I don't think you can go wrong buying either the ecoboost or the 5L for a towing application.
I hope you guys liked the video!

[@Sl4ck3r84]

My dad and I had a ton of conversations about which engine/truck he should order. He landed on the Coyote 5.0 in a 2022 King Ranch. Long story short, I now have the truck and it does have the Max Tow with 3.73 gears(12,980 lbs towing due to options/trim). There is no lack of power and the fuel economy is downright impressive even with the stop sign sized tow mirrors. Coming from multiple small performance turbo engines in the past, the 5.0 really has impressed me.

[@SudburySaturdayNight1787]

What mpg are you getting? Also how do you like the cylinder deactivation?

[@Sl4ck3r84]

@@SudburySaturdayNight1787 In cold weather, when it has to warm up, 15-17 mpg. It really doesn't like warming up the engine and transmission. Now that it is summer, 18-21. That has been confirmed with an app, the dash tends to read .4-1.0 MPG high, but very impressive IMO for a 4x4 full size truck with a 36 gallon tank and no stop-start. So far I haven't been able to definitively identify when the deactivation is being used. I have some signs I suspect indicate it can't decide(instant mpg fluttering), but from a usability or issues standpoint, it doesn't have an impact. The method they used is pretty unique since it is DOHC, and I suspect it isn't going to cause many issues.

[@paulhunter9613]

@@Sl4ck3r84 that’s what Chevy owner’s thought also with CD

[@Sl4ck3r84]

@@paulhunter9613 That's true, but Ford doesn't have as many "modes" of deactivation compared to GM. The information on the system is admittedly more difficult to find, it would be nice if he could do a video about it. As far as reliability, time will tell, that's for sure. Reality reigns supreme.😀

[@sirtigalotwolfe2962]

I have a 2018 5.0 10 spd, 3.31 crew cab 6.5 bed and I love this truck,, I noticed Coyote likes RPMs to get all it's power and will keep RPMs up to climb a hill like the harder the engine is working the higher the RPM's. GET a OIL CATCH CAN FOR PVC VALVE, SIMPLE ADD ON!!! I did and it catches so much oil that is no longer being feed back to engine intake, it's a must, carbon on the back of the valves Wrecks the Engine long term.

[@anthonywood4894]

I don’t consider the 5.0 working harder because it’s revving. It just has a different RPM range for its power band. So it’s working just as hard as the ecoboost in its own very different power band.

[@roynichols5212]

Exactly, it is supposed to rev. So who cares if it revs more to get up to speed? I kind of like that rumble.

[@JROC734]

Ding, ding, ding!!! Finally someone else gets it. Coyote is designed to spin. Let it spin. It's amazing how strong the 18-20 5L trucks are to be able to run on 87 octane, and redlining at only 6K RPM. Ford neutered it with that low redline, but it still did pretty well in spite of it. Even a stock truck manifold will happily let the engine spin past 7K RPM without a significant power drop. BTW a Coyote isn't a lowend dog that people make it out to be. It feels LS1 torquey, down low, while being more linear. I remember the first time I drove a GEN1 Coyote Mustang I was very impressed by how efficiently it pulled itself into its powerband from its weak spot. It didn't linger around trying to lug itself into it's higher RPM the way something like a N/A 4.6L 4V used to. This was a M6/3.31 car BTW.

[@KLX300RMIKE]

This is the same argument that has been going on between gas and diesel guys for decades now. Bottom line is a major reason a diesel engine lasts so long is because it turns less rpm's than a gasser. It's no different here. Ford has incorporated some of those same principles into these ecoboost engines. Exchanging rpm's for boost has been a winning tradeoff for a long time now.

[@thomassullivan1207]

@@KLX300RMIKE That's partly why. Just as (if not more) importantly the nature of diesel, it lubricates the engine as it burns fuel, and generally speaking, diesel engines are build much more durable to handle the higher compression. That's why they weigh so much more.

[@d3adk964]

By far the best KZbin channel! Great towing videos!

[@Siskiyouoffroad]

I personally would prefer the 5.0 over the ecoboost in this class of truck. My current Ranger has an ecoboost and while the torque is amazing (similar to the 3.5 where peak torque is at like 2500 RPM) I find myself getting better mpg and feeling more comfortable when towing when I lock out the overdrive gears to keep the RPMs a bit higher like the 5.0 here does. With the turbo motor, you’re running in a lower gear with more low-rpm boost which is hard on the motor and also kills your mpg. The turbo motors are great and have amazing power but longevity and cost of ownership wise the n/a v8 is hard to beat

[@Jondog65]

Hell yes! There is nothing Compared to V-8! THE SOUND ,THE FEEL ! ETC AND FOR ME AT LEAST! YOU CAN KEEP YOUR YOUR ECOBOOST FORD! IF IT DON'T HAVE NO THUMP,IT DOESN'T HAVE A HEART! I'M A V-8 GUY! ALL THE WAY! NO COMPARISON IN MY BOOK! SORRY TO THE ECOBOOST OWNERS! I'M SURE IT'S STILL A GOOD ENGINE. BUT JUST SAYING FOR ME. V-8'S RULE! JD

[@paulhunter9613]

And running a v8 at a much higher rpm’s is much harder and causes much more wear. Any engine can perform better with a lockout of an overdrive gear, there are 3 on a 10 spd trans, it would be foolish to run an engine lugging with a load. The v8 has to run at 4000 rpm to make good power, it won’t be able to go into an overdrive gear, and then who wants to listen to an engine scream at those rpm for 8 hrs..

[@paulhunter9613]

@@Jondog65 well it is just your opinion, so sorry about your poor choice of engine

[@thomassullivan1207]

@@Jondog65 Why are you yelling? All caps and 9 exclamation points? Jeez...

[@Smoothy38]

​@Jondog65 lol...drive one...just drive one once...I have a '21 3.55 geared 3.5 EB...it hauls ass and tows fantastic

[@kristopherlauro4327]

I've had both. You can't go wrong with either. As far as towing, I prefer the down low torque of the EcoBoost simply because when I was towing my travel trailer, I had no fear merging anywhere. It just had power everywhere. The V8 has power too, but the EcoBoost is awesome.

[@bg5215]

"power too"

[@kristopherlauro4327]

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[@mbb-pr4zc]

@@kristopherlauro4327epic

[@William-Bill-Munny]

​​@@kristopherlauro4327bwaaahahaha the grammer police are everywhere. I was shocked he didn't bring up your pronouns😂

[@kylinblue]

Ayyy thanks man you deliver the content and it was worth the wait!

[@markmankin4975]

We have the 2022 STX with the 5.0.. Tows out 25ft. Jayco to the east coast like it's not even back there. Love this truck

[@LindsayPeters987]

Love watching you and your loads! Another great video :)

[@edwardjski]

Excellent video, lots of useful info. My knowledge of the 5.0 and 3.5 engines is much more substantial than before checking into your channel. thanks!

[@kevinzwick4067]

I vaguely remember reading when adaptive cruise started coming around, they designed it to reduce speed on inclines and allow for extra speed on descents in order to benefit fuel economy. I haven’t seen anything related to that topic in years so maybe it’s not marketed much.

[@JasonExplores]

Great video, it's nice you are able to compare apples to apples between trucks! As I understand it efficiency when towing is heavily linked to how close to the stoichiometric air-fuel ratio you can achieve. Stochiometric air-fuel combustion is way too hot (lean) so all vehicles add more fuel to cool down the engine to acceptable temperatures, the difference here is the larger displacement engine has more surface area to dissipate heat so can run closer to stoichiometric air-fuel than the smaller displacement engine, requiring less fuel to be used only to cool the engine and proportionately more is involved in the combustion process. Obviously a lot more than that is at play but that seems to be a big component from what I have seen. Regarding the shifting of the transmission it appears similar to the logic used in the previous generation 6R80, I find that transmission will shift 1 gear per 2-3km/hr based on double OD (6th). So if I climb a hill starting in 6th at 110km/hr, it will drop to 5th at 107, 4th at 105, 3rd at 103. If I start the hill in the 4th, it still will not downshift to 3rd until 103. Similarly for speed above cruise control for descending hills.

[@ryanchapman171]

Another great video sir! Love the honest insight! Makes truck shopping really helpful!

[@TheGettyAdventures]

Makes it easy when I have my #1 fan watching the vids

[@twisterbret]

I recommend towing an RV. The wind resistance is a much more real world stress test for half ton.

[@stang-rv4pb]

The problem with towing an RV for testing purposes though is lack of consistency. Wind is such a huge factor when towing anything with large surface areas. Wind conditions are always changing.

[@markmccarty9793]

I was co-owner of a small business, and a owner of a camper, the weight is the most important factor! Not the wind drag! I don't know about you, but I newer tow fast enough to consider the wind drag!

[@stang-rv4pb]

@@markmccarty9793 when I tow my camper, my mileage can range anywhere from 6 mpg, to 12 mpg on the same route, depending entirely on wind conditions. I tow mostly at 65 mph. I live in the Canadian prairie’s, where wind is plentiful, and terrain is flat, with few trees along the roadside, which probably is a factor. During a trip to the Rockies, I noticed that wind was much less of an issue in the mountains, where the roads were sheltered by trees.

[@Mannievh]

Yes wind with a large, non aerodynamic trailer is a HUGE MPG factor. Weight is relative. Flat regions will see the wind produce much more of a variable to fuel usage, while hilly regions will see weight as much more of a fuel usage factor

[@UplandODST]

@@markmccarty9793Raw weight is (obviously) a huge factor. However personally I’d second the opinion that aerodynamics play a slightly larger role. I have a harder time pulling a fully enclosed trailer at highway speeds than some heavier loads on a flatbed. For lightweight/short wheel base half ton trucks, I feel like the trailer bucking around is harder on an f150 than pure weight. Of course that is so long as you’re within the rated towing capacities of course.

[@SergioDickerson-hw3ox]

I think you sold me on the 5L. I have owned an eco boost but never a 5L and I think when I decide to retire my diesel, I hope Ford is still making the 5L. Thanks, well done!

[@TheGettyAdventures]

Thank you, I mean it's not flawless but I think its a really solid engine for an f150

[@road-channel]

I kove your towing videos! make more of it and more pickup videos lol I watch all of TFL Truck but yours is in the NB too its fun

[@bridgeranderson5313]

I think the 5.0 is probably the best motor available in the f-150 right now

[@AK_Ray]

Best in what aspect exactly?

[@CrankbaitCrisis]

@@AK_Rayreliability

[@bridgeranderson5313]

The ecoboost motors have a lot more plumbing because of the turbos and tend to develop leaks much easier, they also like to break exhaust manifold bolts because they build so much heat with the turbos, they aren’t as easy to work on because they have a lot more going on in the engine bay. They tend to be better on fuel economy actually, unless you drive an ecoboost like a senior citizen haha. And they sound 100x better but that’s just a matter of opinion. The ecoboost is a great motor and as far as the turbo motors I think they are at the top of the game, but as far as long term ownership it would be cheaper and easier to maintain than an ecoboost

[@AK_Ray]

@@CrankbaitCrisis no data to prove that either way. Both have equal reliability marks throughout the various generations.

[@AK_Ray]

@@bridgeranderson5313 more cylinders and associated hardware, 2 turbos and associated hardware, it's a draw. Same MPG in equal conditions, it's a draw. Same maintenance costs and intervals.

[@bozartg]

I have a Tremor with the 3.5L. It tows my trailer effortlessly. The torque as you say is so low that it works well. 1.5mpg difference isn't huge but it is a bit better.

[@yourfavoritewelder3162]

The best thing about the coyote is the sound. I’ve had v8 engines from gm ram and ford in all my work trucks. The 5.0 hands down has the coolest muscle car sound. The eco boost however is a great motor so you really can’t go wrong with either. I sold my coyote when it started racing on its own. Scariest thing I’ve ever been through and it happened twice. The dealer couldn’t figure it out so I traded it in

[@jinfree0815]

Great video as always brother. Quick question, I have a 93 trooper with aisin manual locking hubs. Is it okay to use 4L with the hubs unlocked? I find it easier to drive steep hills using 4L but 4x4 are not necessary on pavement right? Also 4x4 is not recommended on paved road. So i was wondering if i can use 4L in 4x2 mode (hubs unlocked). Will i break anything? Thank you

[@lesleyboeder1798]

I love my 2015 with the 5l. I am averaging 19 miles per gallon day to day driving I had a 2018 hemi and the f150 is just a much nicer driving truck all around and gets better gas mileage

[@saragnac]

I have a 22 5.0L with the trailer tow package and 7050# GVW package, which I need because I work out of my truck and keep my Decked drawers full of tools all the time, adding about 600lbs of weight. I regularly tow my 7,000 lb camper long distances and can't be happier with this setup. I get between 18 and 19 mpg doing day to day driving (without the camper of course). My 2020 F150 had the 2.7L ecoboost engine, which was a great motor but I was getting only 16 to 17 mpg with the same toolbox in the truck. I upgraded to the 5.0 when we decided to pull the camper long distances and I couldn't be happier with the setup. I have found on normal interstate driving (fairly flat conditions) I prefer to keep the transmission in normal mode and get better mpg but once I'm off the interstates, tow/haul is better. I noticed that in tow/haul mode, the transmission shifts down much sooner after stepping on the brake than in normal mode. And the stop sign sized tow mirrors are just amazing, lol.

[@KLX300RMIKE]

That's weird because I'm getting over 21 average mpg with my '23 4x4 extended cab 6' bed 2.7 with a custom fiberglass topper full of tools and parts.

[@gerybase7818]

Sure happy with my 2021 5.0 (3:30 gears). I get consistent 21mpg unloaded. It definitely functions the 10 speeds, especially towing, but to be expected. My mileage may drop to 8 when towing my travel trailer. Plenty of power on tap

[@neilmckellar5899]

We have a 2014 F-150 with the first gen 5.0 paired with a 6spd. It also delays downshifts when towing at the expense of the cruise control speed selected. I've gone to manually downshifting to avoid loss of momentum on hills which works great.

[@zbeta1322]

What’s your average mpg overall?

[@peterwalker6878]

same here

[@code3responsevideos872]

I love my 5.0 in a 6 spd config. I do only towing with it, I have towed a few times with a 5.0 in a 12 spd. The 12 speed makes a huge improvement in drivability and less hunting of gears. I tow a lot in the mountains and I don’t like my 5.0 winding up so high even if it’s designed for it. Guess I’m used to towing in a 13L Cummins at work!

[@majorpipe]

I would LOVE to see this same truck/engine combination tow this same gauntlet equipped with 3.73 gears. It seems to me that the ecoboost is better suited to 3.31's, while the coyote is better suited to 3.73's. Would the 5.0 tow better with 3.73's? Would fuel economy suffer greatly (or at all)? Inquiring minds want to know!

[@geog5523]

You would have a 1-2mpg difference. It’s worth it , very negligible differences. My 2wd 5.0 on 3.31 would do 16 city , 24 mpg highway. The avg read out would be at 21mpg. There is no difference in fuel economy if you’re hauling a heavy load in the bed. I would get 16-18mg towing a loaded (2k# load) 2500# 12’ dual axle U-Haul trailer for common reference.

[@hwoutdoors1862]

It would absolutely tow better it would give it the low end torque like the ecobust has. Practically every 3.5 ecobust with the “towing Pkg” I see on dealer lots has 3.73 gears. I truly believe it’s the gear ratio that gives the ecobust it’s great towing numbers instead of the engine. I’ve had both and I’ll take a correctly ordered F150 5.0, 3.73 maximum towing package over a F250 (gas).

[@Frdtsl]

​@@hwoutdoors1862f150 v8 is 3.31 good for daily driving no towing?

[@William-Bill-Munny]

2022 F150 XL 4x4 long bed max payload/max tow packages with the 3.73 rear end. I would NOT change a thing with my daily tow vehicle(well better paint or clear coat thickness). The turbo chugs fuel under load way WAY more than the coyote, & my 5.0 also came as a start stop delete due to the 2022 chip shortage, its a win win all the way around. With a 5,000lb dual axle trailer behind me it squats very little - unless I have a couple 55 gallon drums full of liquid in the bed. I often get 16mpg around town towing doing less than 50mph.... so Ford couldn't give me a turbo F150 after 2 years of driving this 5.0.... shifting is fine too, no complaints as this video seemed to point out with cruise control. If you want more shifting and urgent drama put the thing in sport mode LOL

[@josipdolic6391]

Was waiting for this video

[@gerrylacroix6083]

I've owned my 2012 F150 Lariat 4x4, 5.0 since June 2012. I've towed a Ranger 21ft boat for most of that time, many times on 5 to 7 hour stretches, and I have been very satisfied with this setup. Fuel economy has been quite good, better than my friends 3.5 L ecoboost. The ecoboost showed slightly better fuel economy for city driving.

[@Reggiestreet]

Love my 12 4x4 5.0 SOLID

[@chiplangowski3298]

What year is your friend's Ecoboost? The Gen-2 motors (2017-up) get much better fuel mileage than the older Gen-1 motors.

[@gerrylacroix6083]

@@chiplangowski3298 2015

[@clarencefoster7689]

trailer package makes big difference shocks springs shift pattern in tow haul

[@paulhunter9613]

“It definitely doesn’t have the torque down low in the v8”, That is something you want and need when towing anything

[@FredRTP96]

This dude sounded biased towards coyote vs ecoboost…. Torque is everything when towing or hauling payload

[@cchast3]

please test test the 2.7 with same load, that would be awesome

[@rickchapman3707]

Another GREAT VIDEO !!!

[@larryeaton4263]

I have a 2011 truck. First year 5 liter. I'm pleased with it so far. I got it used a short time ago and find it more economical than my old 1995 with the 302 of that era, and economy is better on the later one. The reason I switched is the towing capacity is roughly double the 1995 model towing capacity. But the reason I went with the 5.0, is maintenance and reliability. Turbos are temperamental ond expensive. I'll live with a little performance hit to avoid the hot to my wallet. But about the shift points, I would prefer the behavior in the video. When towing a trailer and using cruise control, it would be much more fuel efficient to let the speed drift up and down a lot. Unfortunately my older model is mapped to keep it tighter. I can see the gas gauge dropping faster when it's so sensitive and does a downshift to gain 5 mph. If I had it my way, I would have gotten a manual transmission, but that's no longer offered.

[@nickthompson318]

I have a service truck that's a 2011 5.0. It has 346k miles with the only issues being 2 bad coil packs at 330k miles and an alternator at about 325(.

[@MrCocoriver]

great advice my brother looking to buy will have to ask if he will be towing

[@p51amustang33]

Awesome channel. If you ever get the chance would you talk about the 3.0L powerstroke? I know it's discontinued but there are still a lot of them around. Interested to see the fuel economy info when towing.

[@tylerbuck9347]

I had no clue there was ever even a 3L powerstroke 😭

[@danieljacobson7729]

@@tylerbuck9347there was also a 3.3l v6

[@davidcoburn2461]

Nice review💯💯

[@agerardomp]

Hi Alex, greetings. No doubt; my favorite FORD F150 Coyote 302 cubic inches of displacement; was, is and will be the BEST! 😮 Big hug from CDMX, México. It is always is a pleasure listen to you!! 🤠

[@paulhunter9613]

It ain’t a 302..

[@63Imp283]

​@@paulhunter9613correct. Do you know the cubic inches?

[@63Imp283]

Great video but don't you need a weight distribution hitch?

[@johncraw6716]

Always fun in these V8 vs boost videos when they explain the V8 is specifically designed for higher RPM then they use RPM as the main comparison. It’s as if they don’t understand what boost is. You get higher peak torque with a boosted engine, that’s the point of boost, and it means peak torque comes at lower rpm. The coyote is specifically designed to go higher rpm when under load. It’s not a flaw or a disadvantage (look at the gas mileage comparison) it’s designed to do that. It won’t downshift doing up a hill to maintain speed if you’re in “tow/haul” mode. That’s the way the mode is designed. It improves fuel economy and prevents gear searching. If you don’t like that, take it out of “tow/haul”. The boosted engine is great if that’s what you like, but the “eco” in ecoboost goes out the window when under load. It’s “eco” if you’re driving w nothing in it or on it. The coyote has gone through several generations and is tried and true. The boosted engine is great, but will likely require more upkeep for these first generations.

[@geobrower3069]

Maybe I missed it in the video's but did you only rely on the computer fuel usage (resetting the fuel usage at the start) or did you actually do fill-up to fill-up like the "The Fast Lane Truck" boys do, to work out the fuel mileage? Otherwise, a great Canadian feed!

[@CraftsmanontheLake]

I've got a 2015 5.0. I tow a camper a lot. In talking with other owners with ecoboosts I decided that non towing the ecoboost engine turbo doesn't open up much and gets great mileage, but towing it does and it drinks gas at that time. Anyway, I got the 5.0 primarily because I tow a lot. Yes the ecoboosts tow well but it's not a critical difference and to get a small engine to rev up a lot using a turbo a lot of the time is a tall ask wear wise and a lot of gas.

[@CJColvin]

Agreed 100%

[@andregonsalvez9244]

Great show 😂 ! I own and drive a 2017 Ford F150 with the 5.0 V8 coyote engine, I chose this over the ecoboost because I don't like the complexity of turbocharged engines and repairs down the road .

[@CJColvin]

Agreed 100% brother, I have a 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 160,000 miles on it and still going strong and its a beast and it sounds like a beast with the Borla ATAK exhaust on it as well.

[@Mattman2500]

Back when I had my 1500 Ram Rebel. My friend had an F150 with the 3.5. We got within 1 mpg of each other. My truck had 3.92 gears. I used to call it the not so e-co boost, lol.

[@TheGettyAdventures]

if you are heavy on the throttle the ecoboost is not very efficient lol

[@stang-rv4pb]

I’m not sure why the mileage would be much different. Both the hemi, and ecoboost run in six cylinders under low demand conditions. When power is needed, the hemi’s two extra cylinders cut in, vs adding boost on the ecoboost. Two different ways of achieving decent fuel mileage, but similar results.

[@greghale717]

@@stang-rv4pb What are you talking about? The hemi runs in 8 or 4, the latter being with cylinder deactivation engaged. i've never heard to a 6 cylinder mode on a Hemi. Did you just make this up?

[@darrylbaron5004]

Was there any major variants in temps - oil/trans etc between the two engines?

[@trackpackgt877]

Yes I've been waiting for this video I am currently looking for a newer pickup truck mine is 25 years old 200k+ mi worn out so now trying to decide between a 3.5 eco boost coyote 5.0 or 5.7 tundra so these videos help a lot thank you bro

[@jonathancorres1874]

What are you thinking of getting

[@trackpackgt877]

@@jonathancorres1874 idk bro lol truck prices are coming down so I'm looking but I'm not positive when I run across the right truck a tundra or a Ecoboost or a coyote I'm going to pull the trigger

[@joshuastevens5910]

@@trackpackgt877Tundra starts to lack pulling power around 10-15k miles. Toyota discontinued the v8 tundra, now made with a twin turbo v6 and went from 5 lug to 6 lug. If you’re pulling any amount of weight, why not just get a diesel or even an eco diesel? Those eco diesel rams got quite the power.

[@trackpackgt877]

@@joshuastevens5910 I don't tow much at all I just need a new daily driver. I have thought about getting a diesel though but I hate these new diesels a lot of problems and they take DEF. The 6.7 seems to be an ok truck so far but if I bought one I'd buy an old 7.3. avoid the 6.0 and 6.4 like the plague! lol But I still haven't pulled the trigger on a pickup yet stuck between 5.7 tundra and a 6 speed tacoma. Appreciate the info though buddy

[@joshuastevens5910]

@@trackpackgt877 I have a 06 6.0 powerstroke. I bought it off a retired diesel mechanic already bulletproofed didn’t cut corners, that’s the way to go with a 6.0. I pull pretty heavy loads with it, but I also baby her lol! I do that with both my trucks. Good luck

[@mudjerry]

love this freakin channel

[@michaelpanacheese604]

I would buy the v8 all day. Would love to see 5.3 or 6.2 for gm trucks. Another great review good job.

[@TheGettyAdventures]

hoping to get a 5.3 soon. Im interested how that engine would do in comparison to the 5L

[@michaelpanacheese604]

Both are very similar I think

[@richarde7649]

I have a 2016, my hitch receiver says 5000 pound max tow and 500 pound tounge weight with conventional towing, and I can only get my max 10,800 tow and 1100 tounge weight with a weight distributing hitch, I’m guessing the eco didn’t have one either but it would help with squat.

[@janosvadas]

Trying specing a true towing rig with a Heavy Duty Payload Package. 7850 GVWR and 13,200 towing. 18,300 GCVWR. 5.0 coyote with 3.73 gears.

[@daryoushborja5115]

Do the 5.7 and 3.4 Tundras please.

[@wdwilson397]

I think the cruise control speed varies due to not having to change gears every 5 seconds or so? Like a house T-stat that has a 2 to 3 degree buffer so it isn't going on and off repeatedly. My 2012 5.0 does the same thing and does downshift on decline to maintain close to set speed

[@benbowles8003]

Sounds like its saving the transmissions life span.

[@cu8967]

I think if you had the 3.73 rear with the heavy payload package, it would have made a difference. Mine does really well with that combo.

[@hwoutdoors1862]

I agree, the 3:31 gears are garbage behind the 10 speed transmission unless you’re using a truck for anything other than a grocery getter.

[@Mannievh]

How can you check which gears your truck has? I bought mine used and have no idea.

[@hwoutdoors1862]

@@Mannievh there’s a white sticker on the driver’s door jamb . There will be a place on the sticker that has “axle”. And a code 27=3:31 non limited slip, L3 = 3:31 electronic locking, 19=3:55 non limited slip, H9= 3:55 limited slip, L9=3:55 electronic locking, 26=3:73 non limited slip, B6= 3:73 limited slip, L6= 3:73 electronic locking

[@Mannievh]

Thank you Looks like I have a rear locker 3.55 on mine. @@hwoutdoors1862

[@brandongrell6234]

Getty, what’s your favorite 1500 truck/engine?

[@alexanderknight6399]

Great video. I'd love to see you test a F150 with the NA 3.3

[@mvcharisma2968]

Yes, I totally agree! There are no towing reviews of that engine and it’s been out for years. A good engine option since these F150’s weigh about the same as most midsize trucks

[@63Imp283]

Yes 3.3 with low gears towing

[@zbeta1322]

Absolutely! I’d love to a NA 3.3 tow review.

[@chuckvitale1751]

I love 5L f150 best truck i ever owned except fuel economy

[@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080]

OKAY - here goes! This is a lightweight spec truck. Designed for fuel economy ans a comfortable ride. First of all it has 17" wheels and 4 ply tires so the capacities are not expected to be high. This is for a compliant sidewall and low unsprung weigh. These wheels are rated 500 lbs lower then the heavier 18" wheels. The second issue is the 3.31's on a 5.0L only comes with the light weight/ high fuel economy rear Super 8.8" axle, which is rated to a max payload capacity of 3800 lbs. All 3.5L Ecoboosts and the 5.0L with 3.73's run Ford's 9.75" rear floating axle which is rated at a max of 5300 lbs which Ford artificially derates to 4800 lbs using lower wheel and tire ratings.

[@TheGettyAdventures]

very interesting. the ecoboost I tested also had 3.31's so I was assuming they both had the lower axle ratings making it a relatively fair comparison. either way it would be cool to tow with the heavier axle

[@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080]

@@TheGettyAdventures if you have access to both trucks still, get a picture of both axles from the rear. It is easy to tell the difference, even at a distance. The 8.8" is a small rectangle 🔳, while the 9.75" looks like a Pear 🍐 that fell over.

[@magneric]

Be aware at least with the F150s, they're rated to tow 5000lbs with 500 lb tongue weight without weight distribution. To reach that 13,000 lb capacity, a weight distribution system is necessary. I found this out the hard way after purchasing one and attempted to tow a 9,000 lb trailer loaded with a tractor. I found out the real numbers hidden in the ford towing guide in one of the last pages.

[@bigdogford1]

Ford has 3 different leaf packs they put on these trucks my guess is the 5.0 had a lighter leaf pack. Also I think they run one tune on the transmission and feels like it's tuned mostly for the ecoboost, had the same complaint with my 18 5.0, but I have a really great dealership and they adjusted the transmission tune and keeps it in the higher revs when towing. I love the truck, so glad I got the 5.0 over the ecoboosts.

[@scarletboa]

The 5.0 and 3.5 ecoboost are both great engines. I've owned both and they are completely different animals. The 3.5 ecoboost is easily my favorite non-diesel engine for towing heavier trailers. They both have their pros and cons.

[@bigdogford1]

@scarletboa I agree, my buddy has the 3.5 and it is really surprising how much power it has, out of the box the 3.5 stops the 5.0. However the 5.0 has way more potential and that is the main reason I prefer it to the ecoboost, and the sound love the way the 5.0 sounds

[@dodge8802]

My guess is the squat difference was from having the standard springs vs hd spring set up

[@jasondickinson1842]

Did you use tow mode? The 10sp grade shifts well. If it didn’t, it wasn’t in tow mode.

[@tzy2o8732]

Only problem is oil comsuption. Make sure you fill in premiuim gas. Make it feels like totally different engine.

[@crisjr6478]

You should measure from wheel well to top of tire different tires squat different and a few lbs of pressure will squat different.

[@johnnoel2845]

Have you done a review on the new Tundra?

[@dustin9035]

Got to love those ash fault roads!

[@jacoblami1731]

I wonder how much of the thirstiness of that ecoboost is up to tuning. I'll bet they're running it fairly rich so it can take 87 while under boost without knocking...would also explain the peak torque being at low RPM even given the turbos are tiny twins. Most of my turbo vehicles take 91 minimum and run pretty lean on stock tune but make more low down torque when you crank up the wastegate duty cycles and run them a bit richer. Also wonder if the engine running lower down in the rev range on average is going to make it last longer than the V8. I don't own either (I'm a cummins guy) so no bias but I'm genuinely curious about the viability of a little turbo gasser since it's not the norm. The coyote will always sound better and if I were going to lease 1 of the 2 it would obviously be the V8...but there's a lot you can do with a tuner on these ecoboost trucks.

[@patriot-dv6dh]

So, what's so 'eco' about the ecoboost?! I got the '23 5.0 XL screw/6.5 box 3.73, my first V8 in my life. I'm pretty happy with it, I don't tow anything and get about 18.0 - 18.3 mpg average when commuting. The only thing that's a bit weird is when coming to a stop I get quite a jerk when shifting down into 4th or 3rd gear, I've read it's got something to do with the two piece drive shaft... I dunno. It'll also be interesting to see how the cylinder deactivation works out in the end...

[@magneric]

Something I found out the hard way with a 2019 F150 with the 3.5L ecoboost, while it can tow 13,200 lbs, that will only work with weight distribution. In reality, it's rated to tow 5000 lbs with 500 lb tongue weight without weight distribution. This is found at one of the bottom pages of the towing guide and a sticker that should be under the hitch.

[@scarletboa]

I have a 2019 3.5 ecoboost f150 with the max tow package. My tow rating is a bit lower at 12,800, due to having 4x4. I just towed an 11k travel trailer with a WDH about 2 months ago. It was a mostly uphill 3 hour drive into the mountains with a few 6-7% grades. It pulled that trailer up those mountains at 60+mph effortlessly. My previous tuned 7.3s and 5.9 did not pull as hard as the 3.5 ecoboost. With the WDH, the truck sat level and handled the weight very well. After owning it for 4 years, i still have no regrets getting away from diesel pickup trucks.

[@CJColvin]

​@@scarletboaVery nice, what job do you have and much money do you make to afford that EcoBoost F150 of yours l?

[@scarletboa]

@@CJColvin It is a stx trim. I bought it at the end of 2019 for 35k (47.5k msrp) and financed it at 2.9%. I couldn't afford one at today's prices.

[@CJColvin]

@@scarletboa Thats cool, how much money do you make to afford it?

[@scarletboa]

@@CJColvin I am an electrician and make about 80k a year, sometimes a bit more, depending on how much overtime I work.

[@Hayven1992]

The 5.0 should be the entry level engine for the line up, the 2.7 ecoboost does better towing as it produces max torque is at 2700 rpm if im correct... the 3.5 is a beast, its just on another level with power...

[@TheGettyAdventures]

I don't disagree with you. The 5L would be a solid base engine. Give you exactly what you need

[@kona6451]

Except that a 5.0 can tow more than a 2.7

[@stephenwetzel2907]

​@kona6451 only because ford rates it that way and puts in in lighter duty trucks. If you get the hdp f150 2.7 with 373 the 2.7 will out pull the 5.0.

[@kona6451]

@@stephenwetzel2907 thats actually not true. put 3.73 in both trucks, its 10k for 2.7 and 13k for 5.0

[@anthonyhampton9794]

Sounds like these 5.0 150s would do really well with a box tune from sct or bullydog or even the edge unit. Throw a tow tune on it and I absolutely think it would tow just as well as a eco boost.

[@jasonarbour1616]

I've had both engines, both had/have the same 5 star tune (93 perf/tow). There's no comparison for forced induction. Sure, the 5.0 can perform the same job, but you gotta beat the hell out of it, where the Ecoboost lives at 3500rpm or lower in most situations. The Ecoboost also eliminates most of the gear hunting that the 5.0 has always had. The coyote is a fantastic engine, but it's not a fair comparison when stacked against a boosted engine.

[@jasonarbour1616]

@@carlife_710 I've repaired these things for a living for the last 28 years and have own both trucks we speak of. Seen every fail and win for both engines, across several generations. Seen both engines come thru the door with 300k+ miles. Seen em both broken with just hundreds of miles. Done a significant amount of towing with both configurations. If you wanna wind your engine thru the hood at 7k rpms, fine by me. My tuned 3.5 will do the same job at 3500rpm. Tens of thousands of miles of proof. We obviously use our trucks for different things. But hey, what do I know

[@paulhunter9613]

@@jasonarbour1616 the five oh is a good car engine, which is what it was made for to begin with

[@sfcjerryharris1]

@@jasonarbour1616put turbos on the 5.0 and then bring the ecoboost

[@sfcjerryharris1]

@@jasonarbour1616turbo the 5.0

[@jordangiesbrecht05]

i know everyone says the coyote revs like crazy wen towing so if u tow get the ecoboost. but in this test on that big hill it only revved to 3100 towing 8500 lbs seems well within reason to me...

[@DEllis24RIP]

So what gear ratios were you running in both trucks the same or different my 2015 with a 5 l had 3.73 gear .. way hotter..

[@Retadin]

The 5.0's lack of low end torque, is my only complaint with mine.

[@kylesummers1565]

Supercharge it. That's what I'm planning to do.

[@paulhunter9613]

@@kylesummers1565 there ya go, drop another 10k into the truck..😳

[@Retadin]

@kylesummers1565 isn't worth spending that much on an 11 year old 240k mile truck. Lol

[@kylesummers1565]

@@paulhunter9613 lol, yep. Can't take it with ya.

[@jasondickinson1842]

5 star tuning. Huge difference!

[@rongovero5749]

i want to know the transmission temp during the test please!!

[@davidcoburn2461]

I think cruise control is geared more toward cruising. I find it annoying when you get a slight incline and the truck down shifts. I’ll take a smooth cruise, even if it takes a few extra seconds to get back to speed

[@richdv6800]

I'm towing a 6500lbs travel trailer with a VW Touareg TDI. Tows like a champ BUT payload at 1200lbs is the issue. I'm looking at the F250 7.3L which really is overkill, and the F150 5L, however, I'm having trouble getting payload numbers for the 5.0L. For those who have the 5.0L, could you please advise your trim and payload, I'm looking for at least 2k. Thanks!

[@davemachoukas6175]

Have 22 5.0. Towing 6000 lbs in tow haul loose 2 to3 mpg at 60 mph. Get 22 normally. 3.55 gears.

[@davemachoukas6175]

Same with mine

[@chris_moodie9]

Just did a 750km trip with a 2021 f150 5.0 xlt towing a Jayco 265th dry of 5k LBS. probably closer to 6-6500 LBS loaded up and got an average of 18.5l/100

[@TheGettyAdventures]

Not bad at all considering the wind resistance also which I didnt have to deal with

[@chris_moodie9]

@@TheGettyAdventures exactly why I put it out there. Half was good hills and half was super flat. Glad I went with the 5.0 for sure!

[@kona6451]

My 2013 5.0 has 3:55 gears. seems perfect.

[@joshuasmith8040]

I think I would get the 3.73 max tow on the 5.0 ….. that 10 speed would make this a rocket ship with that gear set and still has a good overdrive gear set for economy

[@dnfd737]

whats the running gear on both trucks?

[@integradude08]

I had the ‘16 2WD 2.7 and it was such a rev happy engine that always wanted boost. Unless you drive it like a grandma off the line I get close to the same MPG as my ‘17 4WD 5.0. Ecoboosts aren’t really economic from my experience

[@paulhunter9613]

@intagradude The 2.7 is very economical, i get very consistent 19 city and just got back from a trip to Houston (3000mi) and was getting 24.4 to an even 26 mpg highway at speeds of 74 to 79. And the 2.7 is as fast or slightly faster than the five oh

[@ClaudePotvin69]

I have the 3.5 and it is thirsthy when towing. However I get really good fuel economy when not towing. I once did 1,290 kms on a tank before refuelling. Also, I suspect that the Ecoboost would do much better than the Coyote when towing in altitude.

[@TheGettyAdventures]

ya in the mountains the ecoboost would kill the 5L no question about it!

[@hackfreehvac]

Night and day better than the NA V8 engines. I wrecked my F-150 ecoboost and now had to tow with a 5.7 Hemi which has far less low end torque. The Hemi has to run 4k to 5k RPM up the hill to flagstaff with my 18 foot trailer and can am where my F-150 ecoboost rarely broke 3500 rpms. Unloaded my ecoboost would stay locked in overdrive and run the grades at 2k rpm

[@paulhunter9613]

@@TheGettyAdventures TT kills the five oh on the flats also, the 8 has no low end torque

[@Army4Runner]

All the comments about the 5.0 not having low end torque are correct. I drive a 2014 F-150 FX4 5.0 w/ 3.55 gears on 35s (I have the OZ Omega tune to compensate for the gears). The truck still struggles at low rpm. It really comes alive in higher rpms. It sounds amazing! I love to rev it, but I end up HAVING to rev it all the time. I do tow a 25 foot boat with it that is about 6,800 lbs. It can tow it, but it’s not a very happy truck. Overall, it’s a great truck and my own modifications have benefited certain characteristics of the truck and hurt others. The worst part of the truck is the AC system. Terrible. Anyhow, I’m actively looking for another rig but not having a truck payment is certainly very nice.

[@CJColvin]

​@paulhunteIfr9613 If the Ecoboost is wayyyyyyyyyyy too good then howcome Ford made the 5.0 in the F150 in the first place? Also if the Ecoboost is so superior to the Coyote in every way then why did Ford use the Coyote V8 in the Mustang GT and not the 3.5L Ecoboost V6 nor 2.7L Ecoboost V6?

[@nicolasthellend7385]

if i tow between 5000 and 7000 lbs every day which is better? I have a f-150 2022 3.5 max I have to change it for my work

[@55cweber]

Did you have it in tow mode for this?

[@paulchalos8502]

Most 2.7 and 5.0 have super 8.8 rear axle, while 3.5s have 9.75 rear with a beefier spring pack.

[@paulchalos8502]

Could explain the difference in squat measurement… also are you in tow/haul mode?

[@user-dj3dy1uh7o]

Is there a way to contact you? I have questions in buying a used Power Wagon with high mile

[@FredRTP96]

I tow often and also have payloads in bed in my company truck. Now in my humble opinion, the ecoboost tows better, and just overall is more work horse ready than 5.0. I hated the 21 5.0 for towing especially going up hill , it struggled and didn’t know what gear to be in . Now when i towed with 2.7 company truck, it outperformed it. It didn’t struggle uphill , it wasn’t all over place trying find gears. Now fuel economy, i learned putting ecoboost in towhaul netter better mpg, I can’t explain why if maybe different locking strategy on converter ? Or maybe just holds gear better and stays out of boost. Keeping ecoboost out boost will net you good mpg. Overall, being unbiased i prefer eco as work horse and longevity , the 21+ 5.0 performs better towing and payload than 18-20.

[@sfcjerryharris1]

Put turbos on the 5.0 and then decide

[@Frdtsl]

F150 v8 which is better for daily driving no towing 3.31 or 3.55 or 3.73?

[@renurenovationsllc7780]

I went with the 5.0’s on my trucks, with a tow tune, picking up better throttle response, better low rpm torque, (about 25lb ft) it makes it even more capable, all while still having much less stress on components by stuffing so much air/fuel in the smaller 3.5 Ecoboost to make the power. 240,000 miles each and still going strong, I tow 6000-13000 regularly

[@KLX300RMIKE]

You do realize turbocharged engines are designed for the extra power boost generates don't you? I mean they aren't just taking a 3.5 v6 out of a compact car and adding a turbo to it.

[@renurenovationsllc7780]

@@KLX300RMIKE In gen 1, They still both have forged crank, Both have piston cooling jets, Both have o ring seals on cooling lines but with Ecoboost having WAY higher coolant temps and coolant pressures. The exhaust manifolds on Ecoboost are also cast iron but have MUCH higher heat cycles. The biggest difference is the cooling system. The 5.0 is pretty reliable to 650rear wheel horsepower under boost on the trucks, does that mean you should tow every day with it like that. The biggest problem I see if towing alot is that continual high heat cycles is really hard on things, especially when you have dissimilar expansion rate materials with gaskets between them. Those are the spots that will fail earlier, and at higher mileage be higher maintenance because of that. There is a high mileage review from an Ecoboost on youtube and it has pretty done well, the guy has detailed records of maintenance. I can’t remember what part, something to do with the throttle body, he carries a spare in his glove compartment, because it fails regularly from heat. I want things to work, without worry and like never break, so I got the 5.0, so far it has definitely been the better choice.

[@paulhunter9613]

I’ll bet there are a lot of stresses on that v8 when having to use full throttle to tow. There is hardly any turbo use when pulling 6000 trailer anyway with the 3.5

[@renurenovationsllc7780]

@@paulhunter9613 The Ecoboost, because of not having vaccum, and being in light boost at 50-60% throttle probably has similar engine pressures compared to the 5.0 at Full throttle. The difference in pressures between the two are not even comparable. When you stuff air in, even at low boost the pressures go way up. If you figure full throttle, on the 5.0, at 340lbft at rear wheels, and ask the Ecoboost to do the same exact output, which is down from peak, meaning not full throttle, the Ecoboost has to put out 30% MORE power per cylinder volume, that is a LOT of extra pressure, and cylinder sidewall load, heat. Meaning the 5.0 is working way less at Full throttle then the Ecoboost that may “FEEL” like it is “Hardly working”. I will take the 5.0 for longevity, all day.

[@paulhunter9613]

@@renurenovationsllc7780 and the eco was designed for turbos, CGI block and HD internals.there are lots of eco’s still running around with over 200,000 mi on them Hopefully you don’t have a five oh with high consumption of oil, the death rattle, or cylinder deactivation , and all the stresses of compression of 12.5/1

[@markraven7062]

Did the 5.0 have a sweet spot speed to tow at?

[@ThomasDercole2230]

some trucks have an extra spring for payload capacity

[@halifaxtar]

Would love to see you do a series like this on the 3L Powerstroke... I know it's not produced for NA trucks anymore... I have one and I'm in love with it..

[@TheGettyAdventures]

I've messed with the idea of doing a video on these engines. ideally I would like to drive one also but they are far and few between these days.

[@Cooldibs]

My only thought for it squatting more is maybe this has the 36g fuel tank option and it’s adding to more payload?

[@TheGettyAdventures]

same fuel tanks, I checked after the run. it's a mystery lol

[@cp_atving5084]

You being a mechanic, I would be interested to hear your thoughts on supercharging the 5.0 for towing and daily use. I have 23 and I’m thinking of adding a Whipple or ProCharger (when it released) just to give me some more power for daily use. No racing.

[@TheGettyAdventures]

as a mechanic I would say the engines are not designed in the trucks to be supercharged (not that they can't). but I would be cautious if you are looking for any kind of reliability also. boosting your engine will probably shorten the life of it. flip side is that your going to be making alot more power and towing with much more ease

[@cp_atving5084]

@@TheGettyAdventures thanks. It’s a 23 Tremor with the 5.0. It has 3.73 gears and I’m running a level kit with 35s. I know that hurt my towing. I could regear to like 4.10s.

[@sfcjerryharris1]

My 17 F150 5.0 2WD king ranch has 3:55 rear end

[@bigmountain7561]

Alex could you please test the 2.7, the engine that is included with the truck. Please 🙏

[@KLX300RMIKE]

I have a '22 extended cab 6' bed 4x4. The 2.7 isn't the engine you want if plan on towing much. The truck is great for what I use it for. I'm averaging over 21 mpg and I drive like a lunatic But it struggles with much trailer behind it. That's why I have a '19 F350 6.7 too.

[@bigmountain7561]

@@KLX300RMIKE I really don’t plan on towing anything with my truck except for a little single axle trailer like a U Haul. I basically call my truck a Town Car with better visibility. And my idea of camping is Hampton Inn. Unless I get a Gold Wing Trike would I tow anything of real weight. I was a Tow Truck Driver from 80 to 01 so I know those days are long gone. I just want to hear what Alex thinks of the engine and the experience of that setup!!!

[@paulhunter9613]

@@KLX300RMIKE it depends on what equipment/tow options you have on the 2.7, there are 3 different tow pkgs, gearing, and the 4x4 holds you back with payload and max amount to towing. My ‘18, 2.7, 3:55 gear HD tow pkg handles a 7400 lb trailer with ease, it feels like a diesel with its endless torque at low rpm

[@bret9741]

Turbos under load always get poor mileage. I’ve owned both engines. On the ecoboost, I learned to hear the turbos really kick in and when driving without a load, I got about 18 city 23 highway. That was with 3:73 gears in a 2013 I’d like to see a plug in hybrid f-150 with the V-8. Give me a battery with 50 miles electric range and an option to use battery as supplement to power or as a max range option. It would be a far better choice and you’d see most owners burying 89% less fuel per year.

[@jameshoots8302]

What was the fuel grade and speed towing. The eco boost 3.73 gears loose fuel economy after 65.. while towing ..

[@TheGettyAdventures]

110km/h roughly like 66mph. and just regular fuel for both ecoboost and 5L

[@paulhunter9613]

@jamesshoots Wow, so does a five oh, who woulda thunk it?

[@mikerees9158]

RE: rear end squat I wonder if the EB truck you tested a few weeks ago had the 4050 or 4150 RAWR and your 5.0 had the 3800 RAWR. One other thought, I wonder if your impression would be different if you were towing identical travel trailers up the same route? The wind resistance for that billboard behind you might result in the 5.0 spinning up a lot more to compensate, vs what the EB would give you w/ added boost.

[@TheGettyAdventures]

Honestly Mike I've thought about that alot. having wind resistance at highway speeds makes a big difference and I think the 5L would be roaring much higher in the rpm bands. it is tough the argue against the ecoboost when it comes to towing. but for my real world experience the 5L seemed to hold its own very well.

[@dnfd737]

youre in tow mode the program allows for 10% over or under instead of constant shifting, saves on transmission wear

[@habitualflipper5640]

That's interesting, and good to know! Is that listed in the manual somewhere?

[@dnfd737]

@@habitualflipper5640 not to my knowledge, I know several ford techs, I got that form them. I see no reason to doubt them they have been right every time.

[@WaksmanRacing]

Curious what octane rating fuel this was done with and whether 93 octane is required to get this level of fuel economy and performance while towing

[@frederickdouglass7517]

More than likely he used 87 although premium is recommended when towing. There is a pretty big difference in performance between 87 and 93 as well. I run either 93 or E85 in my 23 F150 5.0 and the difference in power between each one is very noticeable once you give the truck a little time to adjust.