Truck or Car: What's Better in The Snow?

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How good is the Subaru's AWD system? Find out here as we put it to the TFL slip test: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5Wwdn1_lJmKnsk

[@jessaphillips2846]

isn't this test also 10 speed auto vs CVT? that's probably why the Ford outran the Subaru honestly, CVT transmission cars are super slow.

[@commenterperson4481]

@@jessaphillips2846 This test seems more like F150 vs Outback. Seems OK to me.

[@commenterperson4481]

F150 vs Outback? How about both?

[@mikefoehr235]

I wonder if the truck was in 4hi if that makes any difference than 4 auto. I have a Tacoma and I wish it had 4 auto...would be a nice option to have.

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

@@jessaphillips2846 as are 4 cylinder cars that are naturally aspirated at that altitude.

[@smarterworkout]

The Big 5 of winter driving... 1. Leave early 2. Drive slower 3. Begin slowing down earlier 4. Be more patient when pulling out 5. Keep more following distance.

[@bigjohnny5280]

Driving Guy Idaho This is the best advice you can follow.

[@taekwondotime]

*Get snow tires* should be #1 on your list. ("All season" tires are not snow tires.) If you're in really remote regions, get STUDDED tires or CHAINED tires. There are some places in Canada where people drive with studded tires.

[@ajl9491]

And no in car masturbation....

[@zman7117]

Same rules with my ex-wife

[@idahomike]

1. Winter tires 2. Winter tires 3. Winter tires 4. Winter tires 5. Your list Fixed it for you.

[@groovymotion5706]

I don't know for Colorado but in Canada we put snow tires in winter. It's even mandatory in some places.

[@dmb25108]

GroovyMotion only really mandatory in bc as far as I know

[@groovymotion5706]

@@dmb25108 in Quebec it's been for over a decade

[@betamvmt]

In Russia the same. 90% drivers prefer studded winter tires.

[@groovymotion5706]

Studded is only legal in some parts of Canada. I know that in Southern Ontario it's illegal because it's the Canadian tropics in winter! 😂

[@MetalJoe0609]

most of the people who live in colorado live on the front range, Denver, Boulder, Co springs. those places don't get enough snow to really justify snow tires. i've lived there 4 years, and never bothered installing mine. you do need them for up in the mountains, though.

[@robwall7206]

That was a great demonstration. Most people with trucks do add weight to the bed of the truck (approx 300-500 lbs) to assist in low traction areas, such as snow. Where I live, Alberta, Canada, unfortunately people rely on 4WD rather than driving to the road conditions. More often than not, its an SUV or truck that's in the ditch upside down. Having 4wd or AWD does NOT make the vehicle stop faster as you mentioned, it gets you to the ditch twice as quick. Proper tires, adjusting to the road conditions and driving defensively keeps you from being a statistic.

[@sockymcblackface7698]

That's not necessarily true. I live in alberta also, and I'm on the roads early, pushing snow. It's always little hatchbacks in the ditch, and the trucks that do go off can usually drive themselves out. I used to drive a dodge dually and that thing was a tank on ice.

[@mushiat6530]

@@sockymcblackface7698 Except I saw two trucks crashed blocking the road in Washington State USA when snow was building up in mountain passes. Just two trucks. No other cars were crashed. Heck I was riding along with my buddy in his Suburu Outback with mediocre all-seasons and we were fine. Can't always drive away from a crash.

[@alexguigui1877]

When you use engine breaking, yeah it does slow your car down faster to have a 4WD

[@larryhouse3776]

Simple physics tells me that adding weight to anything will over all make it harder to accelerate, turn, and stop. Along with a higher center of gravity will also negatively affect handing in all aspects aswell.

[@Chemike21]

Very on point and correct reply, couldn't have said it better myself. Not to mention the car eats twice less fuel.

[@Hughesbayou]

I lived in Colorado and one of the most surprising stats was that in 75% of the accidents where the vehicle went off the road were four wheel drives of one kind or another. It's not the vehicle necessarily, it's the person behind the wheel.

[@Hughesbayou]

another thing is that 4 wheel drive will help you get going but it doesn't make you stop any better. Ice is tricky stuff.

[@goaks]

Well, @75% of vehicles sold in Colorado are 4WD/AWD, so that stands to reason

[@dennismicallef9350]

@@Hughesbayou Something I noticed with AWD vehicles is that you don't get the same feedback on slippery roads as you do with either FWD or RWD vehicles, so your confidence in how much grip you actually have becomes inflated.

[@luccib7225]

Yeah I'm sure people not driving sport cars in the winter

[@Briguydude]

Living in Colorado I see way too many people thinking AWD means “invincible in snow” and don’t get snow tires

[@haris525]

No matter what you drive - it’s all about using the right tires (winter tires for snow and ice are a must ). I drive my 2007 RWD g35 with blizzak ws80 and the car is solid in Minnesota winters. You need to use common sense when driving in winter regardless of tires. Drive slow, keep your distance, and easy on the throttle, with proper tires and air level

[@goldengod5915]

Hey, Minnesota! Nice! I saw a guy on 494 in Eagan, MN who was bombing down the highway last saturday night when there was some show. It was a black G35, mayyybe a G37.

[@kanes5105]

I have a 2015 OB 3.6 Limited with REAL winter tires! the tires that came with the car (same as yours) are crap especially on snow and ice. I currently have 45,000 km on the car and will replace the original tires (the Duellers) in the spring. BTW, you should have got the 3.6....

[@omnipresentvideo7686]

Agreed! Nothing beats snow tires. My neighbor barely made it up the slight incline we live on with a 4wd F150. He had all season tires. My grand prix made it without traction control even intervening. We are in MN also.

[@yyeezyy630]

Here in Michigan most people just use all season tires and yes I guarantee we get more snow then you do in Minnesota. I drive a 82 Buick Electra iv never needed winter tires just get softer all seasons

[@craigpate4140]

Y Yeezyy what part of Michigan? I’m in Detroit. I never needed snow tires either. Bought an old Outback when I was delivering news papers and all season worked great. Here in Detroit we get less snow than Minnesota does. We still get good amount of snow.

[@cade8986]

5:05 Dang, y'all didn't even give my man a ride when it was snowing

[@Spahi77]

Seriously...

[@elijahcummings1178]

i was literally waiting for sum1 to mentiom this 😂😂😂😂😂

[@iamthethecancer]

I saw this too. Pretty rude

[@JustForFun77077]

@@iamthethecancer not rude at all.

[@TheMityquin]

I don't want to be killed by a hitchhiker.

[@teleclasster]

As a long time F150 owner and current owner of a new FX4, the first time I took my wife's Forester out in 12" of snow, it was unstoppable. Same in OBX sand with tires aired down, it just goes. Remarkable awd system.

[@lucky13farms99]

Yep, we got the Forrester with a stick shift. We call her the goat cause it'll climb anything.

[@randythompson4006]

The real deal is. You can buy 2 subaru's for the price of the loaded out fx4.

[@jedifabiano930]

You can buy fantastic tires and upgrades that will far outbid the truck...!

[@VaBlueRidge777]

And have room for a steak dinner!😂

[@chriscon8463]

@@jedifabiano930 Yup! A decent set of snow tires will make it completely unstoppable.

[@thatdudeinblackshoes]

I guess I don't see your point. Outside of snow the truck is more usable than the Subaru. Comparing factory installed options a truck can do more than snow. Cargo capacity, tow capacity etc. I say to each their own. You buy what suits you best

[@glenerickson358]

Can those two Subs tow your cigarette boat and RV?

[@ragnarocking]

Good snow tires are one of the greatest investments I've ever made throughout my 24 years of driving. No stock tires I'm aware of can come close to a set of Bridgestone Blizzaks. I swap mine on every late November.

[@Dustin030888]

Same. Installing some WS90s on my Forester in a week or 2. Had them on my legacy before it (not the ws90s but blizzacks). They are fantastic snow tires. Can’t wait.

[@bm-tn7uw]

Nokia is à Evry good i am Québec canada

[@chrisransdell8110]

16 minutes into the video comes the biggest truth of the whole video... Being able to GO in the snow is important but not being able to stop and steer are really what cause more accidents and AWD mostly helps with just going. Tires are crucial and if you haven't tried any modern dedicated winter tires, you have no idea what a gulf lies between 'good' all seasons and even mediocre winter tires.

[@Dustin030888]

You are 💯 correct about the tires but incorrect about the Subaru not being able to stop or steer. With the proper snow tires, I’ve gone up my steep ass drive way where 2 trucks and an suv were parked at the bottom bc they couldn’t get up. Coming down that same hill is easy with zero issues. Take turns I have zero issues. All for 1/3 of the cost. I’ll take Subaru any day.

[@huntergibb1297]

I run the same tires all year round in Oregon with my Subaru I have no issues pushing through snow even in trails keep in mind they are only 205s too not very big and they are just all seasons no chains or studs or snow dedicated tires I do better than all the trucks I've seen so far this year

[@huntergibb1297]

But yes tires are very important and I think you're better off getting nice snow purpose tires if you can afford too

[@thor4686]

Абсолютно верно. Зимой только зимняя резина.

[@kristoffersingletary8941]

I have a Subaru and I literally walk through snow and I live in BUFFALO Nuff said.

[@lysak89]

Remember the Snowpocalypse several years ago? We were able to get essentials using my MILs outback, drove like a champ

[@TakeDeadAim]

I have both a Silverado and a Subaru. I live in NE Wisconsin and have a 2nd home up in the Lake Superior snow belt in northern Wisconsin. SO...I drive in the snow...ALOT! Here's my experience based on decades of that. IF it's a genuine "snow storm" then I"m taking the truck. No question. Not because my Subie can't get through it...but because the truck will do so with much greater ease as rather than "plowing" through, I'll mostly just drive over the deep stuff and plow overburden. Also, I carry my winter emergency gear with me and have often come to the aid of other drivers stuck. Because of it's mass...the truck doesn't "wander" so much if you need to get out of the "rut" in the right lane to pass...especially in that slushy, greasy stuff. Sometimes the Subaru will literally NOT be able to even punch out of the right lane without significant danger of going sideways. The truck will just walk out of it. Now...the Subie is MUCH better on gas and for people who live in town or don't deal with deep snow(>6") on a fairly regular basis they're ideal. The Subie does better on glare ice...especially when stopping or in a turn where just the mass of the truck wants to keep moving in one direction. The Subie WILL get me where I'm going almost regardless of snow depth(up to about 8") but will do so with a little more thinking and technique whereas the truck just uses brute force and ground clearance to either go over or through without much thinking. All that said...tire choice as a LOT to do with how well either will perform. I keep good snow rated all season tires(Coopers) on both. So far as that goes, IF I'm coming into fall and my tires are at or close to 4/32nd's...they get replaced. Under that, it doesn't matter what you're driving...

[@parsley0120]

4/16 would be 8/32 and most new (car) tires come with 11/32 of tread. Did you mean to write 32nds instead of 16ths?

[@TakeDeadAim]

@@parsley0120 Lol! Yes...4-5/32's. Senility sets in early I guess!

[@badland0133]

Truck is better hands down

[@thaoch50253]

I'm from SE Wisconsin! Driving a 07 4runner v8 full time 4x4 and can't wait to see how my cooper stt pro tires do in our first snow storm.

[@timmyteabag69]

I have 2 Subaru Outback (1 2010 and 1 2016) and I noticed that the 2010 is much better snow then the 2016 but in the deep snow we get here in Alberta i normally take the Toyota Tundra if we get more then 6 inches of snow it will plow through deep snow much easier but on slick roads I hands down would want the Subaru

[@mainchannel8702]

"It's all about the tires" then continue testing with different tires. What a logic.

[@illuminated2438]

Was that English? Their logic was fine...

[@vishalakula8451]

@@illuminated2438 IKR

[@JoshuaTootell]

I would never buy snow tires as I would rarely drive in the snow in southern California. But as I'm trying to decide between a Ranger and an Outback, the video applies.

[@seanrahmoeller6325]

Joshua Tootell right. It’s good to know in the event that you would end up finding snow (on vacation or in the event you move) so it’s good to see how they perform without having to pay any premiums for tires

[@cheezellopp9865]

Thats not the point of this video lmao

[@prakkari]

I’m from Iceland and find that tires are nearly everything in those conditions. Advice: Don’t try to save on tires.

[@mesabman]

A fair comparison would be to use a 6-cylinder Outback with IDENTICAL TIRES. I'm confident that the results would be quite different.

[@i486DX66]

Does the 6-cylinder Outback come with a better AWD system? Pretty sure the 4-cylinder can produce enough torque to break traction in that condition.

[@gsfbffxpdhhdf7043]

486DX266 maybe he thinks 50 lbs of weight will help. And he wants to test the subaru with snow tires vs stock f 150. Guess what truck will do better everytime

[@thebreeze1817]

Go truck 😂

[@jamesgarrison6430]

But that Outbacks weigh lighter than the truck so a good comparison would be horsepower to weight ratio

[@Turbo-wj9qc]

Any 4x4 or awd works fine. Driving on snow is no biggie, ice is the problem and no vehicle is good on ice

[@johnnydoe66]

No matter what you drive, if the conditions are bad, you have to drive accordingly. I see way too many people who don't have any common sense driving way past the limits for the road conditions; whether it's rain, ice or, snow. ** My biggest pet peeve is the driver who doesn't take the 5 minutes to clear their windows of frost or snow so they can see properly **. I have a 2015 Subaru Forester XT which handles great, but I still use caution when the roads are bad, staying alert for those who don't care about their safety or the safety of others.

[@VoidOneGamer]

It's actually illegal, at least in my state to not do so. Also if snow falls off your vehicle that's illegal as well. Just clear the whole thing of snow, if you don't have time to then you aren't giving yourself enough time as it is. I'll gladly be late for work if it means not getting into a bad situation. My younger brother recently came close to totaling a car because he cleared only part of his windshield as he was running late to school. He missed the whole day instead.

[@johnnydoe66]

@@VoidOneGamer I know here you can possibly get a ticket for having an obstructed view out of your windows, but I never see it enforced.

[@colinhuyck3834]

Yes. Sometimes the drivers are worse than the roads. *I live in Michigan, not making this up*

[@ryanj4097]

Yes I agree if the driver doesn't know what their doing in the snow it makes the 4wd or Awd useless also how about this if you don't need to go out in the snow don't do it.

[@michaelh.4535]

A freak snow storm came in last year here in the hill country Texas. I choose to take my wife’s 2017 Outback to our band practice which was 25 miles away and the snow had all roads covered! That car didn’t miss a lick while she and I saw many cars and p/u trucks scattered all over the roads we had to take just to get to practice! We made it to practice only to find out the other band members couldn’t make it because of the snow! So, on our way back home, we saw even more vehicles stuck, spinning out, crunched into each other, and in the ditches and even tow trucks and police were having a hard time. The Outback got us back home without a hitch! I have plenty of pictures of that snow and the Outback! I’ll choose the Suburu Outback over anything when it comes to snow and ice! Good Day!!!

[@direwolf6234]

macho inexperienced truck drivers with go for the ditch all the time ..

[@timan2039]

The Subaru's traction control helps a lot. I tested an 09 Forester on a wet limerock (Pam on glazed tile slippery) road. I went sliding through two 90deg. turns with a straight away in between. Once with the control on and then off, there was a pleasing benefit with the control on.

[@ironDsteele]

If you put a dedicated snow tire on that Subaru it will become a whole other animal.

[@elfiero50]

Universal Steele you must say the exact same thing about the F150

[@jamesgarrison6430]

But why change tires every year when you can just run the same Tire

[@godemperorofmankind7255]

@@jamesgarrison6430 So you have TRACTION! Know what that is?

[@phtevenmolz5030]

@@godemperorofmankind7255 lived in Michigan with lake effect snow for 20 years. Never changed my tires to a dedicated snow tire for winter. Just use some 3-peak mountain snowflake certified all-terrain tires if you have a truck or SUV and drive like you want to live. Winter tires are a waste of money.

[@godemperorofmankind7255]

@@phtevenmolz5030 I live in the Utah Mountains mate. Try driving without dedicated snow tires on a windy mountain pass during a snow storm. It won't end well.

[@ediehl007]

I own a Subaru Forrester. Every fall I switch out my all season tires with Bridgestone Blizzak snow tires I've got mounted on steel wheels. Nothing stops me.

[@pnisflytrap1]

I'm sure. You love your simple little subaru. You don't know any better

[@pnisflytrap1]

@@zacharyreynolds4303 no comment

[@willb6070]

Testing under "ideal" scientific conditions is good and serves its purpose. However the real world and its ever changing conditions are where we drive everyday. This is what I like about you guys. You test and experience the same situations that we would on a daily basis. That is the most important information to have in my book. Great job as always.

[@TheTomco11]

A real world test can be scientific. If they did the same thing but repeated their results and controlled the variables they'd have a scientific real world test.

[@georgelurye6274]

@@TheTomco11 stop it with your knowledge and logic and shit. People like Will get very confused.

[@kc5077]

I like both TFL and Consumer Reports. TFL gives great character and feel reviews, CR has their own test track for warm and winter performance and test different tire brands on the same car so you can compare the tires. CR also tests their cars with the most common all-season tires that come stock just like TFL.

[@ashatrotter]

I love listening to the father and son duo especially when I'm looking for vehicle comparisons in the snow. Your son is very knowledgeable. I live in MN THANK YOU BOTH

[@sunderjirahim]

From my experience in Eastern Ontario, having Snow Tires is very helpful in winter.

[@craigmoorer5927]

White knuckle braking lol. Been there done that. Great vid. Pls do more snow tire reviews

[@goatranchgaming2922]

done that in a KW T660 in a trucking terminal there in denver was going less than 5 mph went to take a turn down a aisle and was still going straight towards a light post made my butt pucker even though it was low speeds got the truck stopped 1 ft from the light post thankfully

[@bsuthe]

Back in the mid 80s I lived in Alaska and owned a 1981 Subaru 4WD station wagon. It was amazing in snow. You could shift into 4WD at any speed, and even shift into 4 low while moving. I once passed by a full sized pickup truck that was stuck in snow, and never had the slightest problem in my little Subaru. I loved it.

[@dontelljackson9364]

Absolutely true. Those were amazing little wagons. Subaru was a reliable machine in those days. Now, not so much.

[@fat1234568]

"wow what was that Subaru?" That, my friend, was Dueler tires. They're a death wish in snow. If you live where it snows, get snow tires immediately. My crv braking distance got cut in half when I put even just better all weather tires on. (destination le2)

[@jasonbay13]

this was my mistake. parents didnt think i needed winter tires since a tire is just a tire, right? like a battery is a battery, dollar general heavy duty is the same as an name brand alkaline. anyway, they have next to no traction. i now have the ws80 and those are almost like driving on dry road.

[@corpse74]

“snow storm” canadians “that’s my thursday night boys”

[@alekseistrelkov3085]

Thank you guys, great video. I’m a Subaru driver for many years, just love it.

[@ruralhealthadmin]

Ironically, I own two vehicles, the Subaru (Crosstrek) and the Ford F150 (FX4). Love them both. But, as been stated, neither is great with standard tires. The best I had was a 4x4 Ranger with all terrain, and it was a beast in the snow!

[@JameGoFast27]

Ew a ford ranger

[@direwolf6234]

did you weight the back of the ranger ?? my 4wd nissan frontier does great with 3 cinder blocks above the wheels held in with bungee cords ..

[@HomesteadOnThePreserve]

BIG FLAW on the last test. The Subaru plowed through pure snow 100% of the test. The Ford ran about 20% through the snow and 80% of the time on the cleared path. Easy to see at 15:32 - 15:38 Still, I loved the video and what a great, and fun comparison!

[@clayrydick4561]

I noticed that too!

[@TheeOfficialSmiley]

Just saw what you’re getting at🤔

[@user-ed5jh3ff6u]

Love the way you guys get along, thanks for all the videos.

[@ratkicker007]

I have a Crosstrek with Michalin Defender tires and it’s amazing in the snow and mud, subaru AWD is amazing, don’t knock it until you try it.

[@80srockerable]

Which Defender, T+H or Ltx ms

[@ratkicker007]

@@80srockerable ltx ms. I didn’t want an actual AT tire since I mostly drive on the road. If I didn’t go with AT I’d go with the new Faulken

[@80srockerable]

@@ratkicker007 Good to hear..just ordered those for my Outback. Was him hawing between that or the less aggressive Defender t+h.

[@ratkicker007]

@@80srockerable only time I ever got stuck was trying to drive out of my long unplowed driveway which had about 2’ of snow, eventually the snow built up so much the front wheels don’t have contact..so my fault. If you don’t already have it I suggest getting the 1/4” thick aluminum engine skid plate from primitive racing, I have it for my trek with the oil hole cut out and I helps protect the engine a lot. I also installed an ray drain oil drain plug so oil changes are really fast.

[@tipfro2]

No matter what anyone says you can’t please everybody, keep up the great work and vids guys. You do stay pretty true to “real world” testing.

[@ericandersen612]

Great reviews. I really enjoy that you guys that you guys take a very practical approach.... your right on, most people drive their cars as is and don’t get snow tires or modify them. Also I think it is so awesome that you guys get to work together as father and son. I pray that your relationship off camera is as great as it is on camera.

[@jerrywagner7346]

Your observations pretty much matched my experiences. Our family vehicles over the course of a decade or so were 1 of 2 F-150s and either an Impreza WRX or a Legacy GT. For everyday winter driving I always preferred the Subarus but for deep snowmageddon storms the F-150's ground clearance trumped the Subaru's better handling. As far as tires the F-150s had BFG KO2s the Subaru's had Continental Extreme Contact DWSs.

[@PNWAdventurer]

Subaru’s do come stock with tow hooks as well FYI. I love my Subaru. I’ve owned a newer 4x4 F-150 with All Terrain tires and I’d pick my Outback with All Terrains over it for in the snow any day. Way more control and safer. Snow tank for the win.

[@AustinC2838]

I REALLY ENJOYED THE VIDEO! I dont know why these guys are sour, you guys are just having fun, and so am I! Were all just here for a good time boys chill out I Loved the video TFL!

[@Ethan3571.]

Aren’t the 0-30 tests off bc the speedometer measured wheelspeed?🧐🤔

[@codeman99-dev]

Ssssshhhhhhhhh. Too much science! lol

[@Jrdn1211]

@@codeman99-dev ahha

[@mohammadfarra4835]

wait what ? please explain, I am an engineer and you've got me all confused ..

[@Ethan3571.]

Mohammad Farra the speedometer only measures wheel speed. Wheel speed doesn’t necessarily mean exact speed of the car. If I had a car on an icy road and I did a burnout sitting still, the speedometer May read “10mph” even if I was sitting still. Just saying it’s probably not tremendously accurate though I don’t have a better solution

[@jalfrezi3602]

@@mohammadfarra4835 wheelspeed is how fast the wheels are spinning. the speedometer shows the wheelspeed

[@mmfic98]

Absolutely correct about the dedicated snow tires, HUGE difference! I never drive in the winter without them.

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[@rafaeldomenikos5978]

I have done a comparison like this with two kind of similar vehicles I own. A Quattro Audi A6, and a Jeep Wrangler. I have to say that the Jeep always gave me more confidence because I knew it was impossible to get stuck unless I asked for it. So I knew that no matter how bad the snow storm I know that the Jeep has a much higher chance to get me home. I haven’t gotten stuck in the Audi either, but it has struggled in places where the jeep in low range just blazed through.

[@garyblatt8925]

The Elephant in the room is the EcoBoosted F150 Lariat. That truck is a BEAST!

[@Bullzeye1000yds]

I've owned 3 Outbacks. The FIRST thing I did was get rid of the OE tires. Bridgestone tires are horrible in any adverse conditions. The Pick-up had a definite advantage with any other brand of tire. In 2010, we were stopped outside of Des Moines and told that I-35 was closing due to weather. Only chain equipped vehicles were allowed to go north. Then, the Trooper noticed we were in an Outback. He waved us through. The jeep behind us had to turn back. Outbacks = Jeep Recovery Vehicles.

[@bcyr-CO]

Outbacks are indeed Jeep recovery vehicles. A few weeks ago I was out driving around in the mountains and I had the honor of pulling a lifted Cherokee out of a snow "pit" that my '03 walked through like it was a paved road. The Geolandar A/Ts combined with the 50:50 awd (manual transmission) and a fairly lightweight wagon makes that car unstoppable in the snow.

[@Bullzeye1000yds]

@@bcyr-CO I just put Cooper Discoverer Enduramax tires on mine. They are Great! Smooth, but tough enough for West Texas.

[@tydontdy3459]

This is great! I own an F-150 and my wife drives a Subaru Forester. Yes welcome to the worlds most average household in america

[@crabbycripple]

You guys are awesome!

[@kingpin3919]

Love the snowy real world videos! Please keep em coming fellas. Excellent work.

[@TFLcar]

Thanks for the kind comments. Very much appreciated!

[@Hebrew42Day]

The big things from my experience: 1) tires and they mentioned this. I had a set of all terrain Yokohama tires on a 2004 (Front drive only) Mazda 3 that plowed through the snow, up to it's ground clearance. Good tires are also crucial for stopping, and if you have an SUV if you don't want to get specialized snow tires, get a good set of All Terrain tires with more meaty chunks. 2) ground clearance. Later on I had a Scion xB, which had terrible All Season tires but still tried to move - the bigger problem was snow even 3 - 5" deep quickly lifts the drive tires off the ground enough just causing them to spin. I think this is an advantage trucks and SUVs have. 3) Experience. There's no replacement for experience, and knowing how to drive and respond when something does go wrong. But of course sometimes YHWH steps in and helps and I've seen that many times in my life.

[@rozchristopherson648]

This is one of my favorite videos !!! Thanks guys !!! 😃👍

[@Adampeterdale]

Another test that proves nothing...

[@michaels5691]

Oh contraire Adam, this test proves how bias he is.

[@MrFg1980]

Ahh, I think it demonstrates that the truck is better for that type of driving. I've had cars in the snow. Never again. Never. Especially a Japanese one...

[@gregpavitt309]

This proves that the Subaru all wheel drive system is better than the Ford system even with tires with less grip

[@definitelynotatroll]

Michael S Oh contraire?? Don’t pretend to speak french, it is on contraire.

[@dchawk81]

@@definitelynotatroll It's au contraire.

[@GMV8KSA]

5:06 Hitchhiker

[@garyblatt8925]

I thought that was Tommy? Whoops.

[@gtasandman]

I was wondering if anyone noticed

[@AStanton1966]

I'll bet, with the advent of legal pot in Colorado, a lot of guys are hitchhiking due to suspended driver licenses or their car money being spent of pot.

[@implankton660]

@@AStanton1966 Do you live in Colorado? And that's not actually true. I live in Colorado, I'm just a kid so im not so sure. In the snow people hitchhike because their car is stuck in the snow, their car and out of gas or their car died.

[@AStanton1966]

No, I don't live in Colorado. And I haven't seen a hitchhiker in about 10 years. I'm saying, in the major cities there are corner stores selling pot all over the place. You wait and see what this havoc will cause in Colorado. There'll be tons of accidents from people operating vehicles under the influence of pot. Your insurance will be going sky high. In my part of the country, a Massachusetts state trooper just could killed in an accident by someone who was coming from a medical marijuana distributor and toked up before heading home. Mass is set to legalized recreational pot very shortly. Good luck to them.

[@chrisk4780]

Great video - I like how the used standard consumer purchased tires. Having spent years in Idaho by the Tetons and in Wyoming in a “sub-arctic” climate, I can say this: 1) The Subaru handles extremely well in light to moderate snow. You will feel confident on the roadways and most of the things thrown at the Subaru, it can handle. 2) A truck will shine in the deep snow. I’m talking 3-5 feet. I’ve seen a truck, with chains on, plow through a wall of 5 ft snow off road. We helped a neighbor move and trucks were required - we had to pull a shed out of the backyard and trucks were going through this field of 4-5ft snow, slowly, by pulling forward then turning the wheel in reverse to make a path, with no issues. All in all, both are great cars. Subaru if you’re on the streets and in medium snow more, trucks if you are in the country with deep snow.

[@nicholasroy9125]

I live in Québec where we have snow and ice 5 months in a year. Winter tires are mandatory here. They make a HUGE difference not only because of the treads, but also the compound of the rubber. .Below 0C (32F) all season become hard as rock and become slippery even on dry asphalt. I use to drive a Ranger and feel it was a good winter truck. I now own a Subaru Crosstrek and even though it is less powerfull than my ranger, i would take it anyday before a pickup when conditions are slippery. The car is perfectly balanced with a low center of gravity and you can just do whatever you want with it. Both vehicules were equipped with a manual transmission and the difference would be that if i felt safe with the pickup in snowy conditions, i really have fun with the Subaru.

[@starttherebellion9146]

Your son is awesome. You guys make a great team!

[@wongjefx980]

my 2016 Outback runs great on snow... decent clearance, and perfect height... when I had larger SUV, hated being high up on the highway and getting that cross wind...

[@Xanthopteryx]

Fun to watch but... the music - please, remove! It's sooo annoying, and it makes it hard to hear what you are saying.

[@lyndelt8954]

I agree! Loose the music! If I want music, I'll play my own in the background. :)

[@michellemarie1197]

It's still important to use winter tires cause yes while awd or 4x4 can get you OUT of snow and allow you to go, winter tires are ideal for ice cause they allow you to STOP and give traction.

[@Treyk901]

As an owner of that same truck with those same tires I can say with confidence those tires are TERRIBLE.

[@harrisonf780]

I agree have 2 f150's and they are not good. I put bfgoodrich T/A KO2 on for the winter months up here in Michigan.

[@JaZu]

Harrison F I’m stuck with the Scorpion Pirellis in Ohio. Looking to upgrade in December hopefully! How are those KO2’s?

[@richardgollwitzer9533]

that says a lot about the stock subbie tires too surprising

[@Treyk901]

Jacob Zuniga I’ve had the KO2 on my 2012 F-150 and they are pretty good but here’s my issue with them. They are all LT E rated so they are stiff. It made the back end bounce and shimmy. I could never get them perfectly balanced. Even had the dealer replace them under warranty and same issue. My dad had them on his F250 and they were great. They did hydroplane more than regular AT truck tires. Lateral traction on wet asphalt was weak. Off road they were great. They were good in snow until you want to turn. I’m picky so all this may be ok for others. Just just my outlook. I drive over 30k miles a year so I’m burning through tires so I get to try out different ones often.

[@achigurh88]

Wranglers shouldn't even be considered all terrain. I have an 08 silverado 4x4 LT Z71 and I live in Michigan. Switched to the new Bridgestone REVO 3's a few weeks ago and we just got out first snow fall. These tires aren't snow tires and they aren't really beefy AT tires. They're meant to be a middle ground between high way driving and true AT... The amount of traction difference between these and the Wranglers I had is ridiculous. I cannot believe I even had those tires on my truck up here for so long. I feel much more confident in bad weather with the REVO 3's. As far as truck vs AWD wagon, I'll take the truck all day, especially if I can put sandbags in the back. Extra weight = more traction. Larger brakes negate any braking distance increase, for the most part.

[@MarkVinewood]

Wait wait wait, so there are people even in Colorado who do not use snow tires in the winter?? As a Northern European it simply baffles me that people care about their personal safety so little. I also drive a 4WD passenger car and based on the few times that snow has struck before I switch tires, I can say that taking off is never the problem. It is when you try to stop or turn that you will find yourself in trouble.

[@chrisrinard2981]

I live in Alaska unfortunately your right. Many people believe AWD and 4WD makes them stop faster. I drive a Fiesta with a manual. I spent about $600 on my winter tires . I'm really glad I did. They afford me so much more control.

[@MarkVinewood]

@@chrisrinard2981 True, in that sense 4WD is even deceptive because unlike 2WD you might not even notice how slippery it really is until you try to brake or turn.

[@chrisrinard2981]

Mr. Albetos no actually they don't. Unless you manually downshift. That's the only way 4WD can help slow you.

[@teovm]

@MrAbletospeak So what. You could still slipp all 4 wheels while doing that. With the correct tyres will help if the diff is locked.

[@angrysocialjusticewarrior]

If your car can't stop or turn, just hop out and stop it or turn it with your bare hands. No need to waste money on snow tires.

[@markj7579]

I think some people miss the point that the idea of the test was to use the tires that came with the vehicle off the lot. Of course snow tires are going to do better, however that wasn't the point of the test. Although it wasn't very scientific sure look like a lot of fun. Thank you, I've enjoyed your videos. Keep them coming

[@TheCharleseye]

If that's the point then the test is pointless. They might as well have rented a Corvette and tried to run it in snow with stock tires. They claim they're comparing an AWD car to a 4WD truck to see which is better in the snow. They're not. They're comparing tires that are terrible in the snow with tires that are okay in the snow...just because they happened to come stock on the two vehicles they chose. The minute your tires lose traction, it doesn't matter what vehicle you're in or what features it has. That's all there is to it.

[@robertdenton6936]

Need to consider the type of snow as well. I have a 2008 outback, and 2011 f 150 . In icy compact conditions it's no competition , the outback destroys the f150. In wet slushy snow I prefer the f150. The f150s weight seems to push through the slush/wet snow better. Hope that helps..

[@omisan771]

Same here. On slippery compact snow or ice, I prefer a lower vehicle or even a front wheel drive car. With a truck you have to be way more careful in curves or downhill even with good winter tires. If you loose traction, all that weight makes it worse.

[@jonnem]

Given that they're doing a winter test without winter tires, this video would be improved greatly by having the Benny Hill theme in the background.

[@bamfordsteele555]

That's so true. This "test" is worthless.

[@mr.fiction5564]

Most people don’t have the time or money to get a whole new sets of rims and tires for 4 months out of the year. A decent AT tire and 4 wheel/all wheel drive is sufficient for normal snow driving in most parts of the US.

[@Pricysalamander]

@@mr.fiction5564 you don't have to get new rims you can just get new tires

[@mr.fiction5564]

@@Pricysalamander and then take it to a dealer to have the tires switched and then switched back at the end of the season. Most people don’t have the money or time to do that. Plus most people don’t want their good rims for winter so a lot of people if they do snow tires get cheaper rims. The US is generally ok with just 4wd or AWD. A lot of the problem is people willingly buy FWD cars knowing they live in a snowy area and are just ignorant

[@mauriciopadilla216]

🤣 jajaja

[@JonnyMoto]

The driver is also a variable. You guys should have each driven both the car and the truck per test. Great video though :]

[@otahu26]

Snow: As it turns out, ABS actually increases stopping distances on snowy surfaces, as well as those covered in other loose materials, such as gravel or sand. Without ABS, locked tires dig into the snow and form a wedge in front of the tire by pushing it forward.Jan 4, 2019 Driving With ABS in Snow and Ice | YourMechanic Advice

[@briank10101]

Without ABS you may have a spinoff so it all depends

[@larryhouse3776]

If you're driving to this limit, you're bound to crash either way. Slow down earlier.

[@100mpgus]

That view of the grab handle is awesome! I am surprised no one has used that before!

[@abumjuamoses4575]

daddy and son car and truck review, awesome am very happy with the review. you have just nailed . my opinion i will go in for the car

[@hithummah]

better father-son activity than go fishing and almost as good as playing mario kart

[@abumjuamoses4575]

@@hithummah hahahahahaha

[@adamhall4784]

I liked this test. I took our 2014 escape and wrestled up a steep paved unplowed road with 6 inches of snow on it. The. I tried it with my F150. It didn’t even break a tire loose. Real 4wd is what you need as long as you know how to use it.

[@simd510]

Was the escape awd

[@romzes576channel]

0-60 speed test is definitely what you need on a slippy road. Curious what would happen to those cars on a highway reaching max speed

[@santu55ubito]

I live in Upstate NY, your test is more useful to me than some lab study. My favorite is still when Andre broke the u joint on the new Ford, 0 to 60 with weight. I have Bridgestone Blizzaks (4) on my AWD Rogue.

[@Memeteam903]

Good review topic...well played.

[@kenransom3247]

can u do a review on most popular snow tires in the snow

[@VC30577]

This is amazing. I kid you not, driving home in a snow storm today and I was wondering this exact question... : D

[@tattoomagic6110]

I own a construction company and work with my father daily. It’s always nice seeing another father and son doing things like this together

[@matthewsteinmetz729]

You're absolutely killing me. The X-Mode is literally the 4A mode in the Truck, just forced to drive below 18 MPH. You have that on, you will NOT slip or slide in a Subaru. Ridiculous that you pass over it completely, especially on the downhill braking test. Exactly what it's designed to manage, and you don't use it and you're surprised it didn't stop well? Get out of here.

[@youhoboken9676]

They hate subaru thats why.

[@sheyanderson4371]

If it forces you to drive below 18mph then it wouldn’t be applicable in their tests right? Maybe that’s why they skipped over it. The stop test was done from 20 mph.

[@glamdring0007]

Sure...and if you locked the axle on the truck it would have done much better getting up to speed than in 4A. Both vehicle were set to where the average driver would have them...

[@matthewsteinmetz729]

@@glamdring0007 Any sane driver wouldn't be flooring it up a snow covered hill, dirt or asphalt. They'd be going slow, like you're taught to.

[@matthewsteinmetz729]

That's all well and good, but a difference of 2 mph that you would be maintaining to continue using X-Mode could end up stopping the car in half the distance. That's my point. We don't know if the car will slide the same distance is X-Mode is on or not, and that. is. what. it. is. designed. to. assist.

[@GearReviewDepot]

I'm on my 6th Subaru and I've owned one pickup truck (F150) in my life, I'll stay with the Subarus any day especially on a snow day.

[@samsen201]

Only people who have seen it at the worst or worst, can appreciate the power of Subaru, especially in relation with real bad snowy condition. There are plenty on YT to show the real story and two links here to show examples: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnnXaYSmf9efrMU kzbin.info/www/bejne/eWK3Xqaabr2do6c Also to complete it all for the sake of fun, have a look at this Ford at minute 6 onward, here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3W8ZqqClt6Mi5I

[@yourhandlehere1]

6? Damn...I'm still on my first Corolla...and it's the first Corolla...a '68 Ke10 first gen.. Goes like a tank, never been stuck in 30 years. ( it was 20 years old when I bought it for $300) Hell, I used to race atv's through the sand bottoms near the river with it. The bottom is kind of like a Volkswagon Beetle, everything is above the level of the floor pan except the rear axle...scoots right across snow but over a foot deep it gets boggy, it's on 13 inch wheels. (It came with 12's but good tires are too hard to find)

[@ZedLucas]

Subie brothers!

[@creamycrab]

Any problem with Subaru boxer engine? Heard a lot of engine failure on them

[@chameleonpogono]

@@creamycrab I've had an Impreza since 2002 and engine is just fine. Like any vehicle, take care of it and it will take care of you.

[@MikeMiller-nn1pj]

I'm from Montana and I have a 96 ranger ford 4x4 5sp manual it's great for off road snow use

[@ThomwoththeWeather]

I love my fwd mazda 5 with studded winter tires on it, truly feels like a perfect mix...

[@nedkrema]

I like this kind of relationship between the Dad and the son , wishing you guys the best ❤

[@berthaw24]

Awe!! I just love you guys relationship!!

[@SHADOW848DUCATI]

Mall parking lot on a Sunday morning with cones seemed like a safer place to do this. Not for people but for not hitting guard rails. Thanks for the video.

[@tjlovesrachel]

Love locking the dccd in my sti when the snow actually accumulates makes life so much fun..traction control off of course

[@tjlovesrachel]

@Promotional Inc. lolll ummmm... are you dyslexic

[@netwright4083]

My home is on a hill in Alaska with a long uphill driveway. I drive a Subaru and my wife has a Toyota Sienna LE AWD, both vehicles are fully capable on my driveway in the snow and ice with Nokian Hakkapeliitta studded tires. When it is icy my GMC 1500HD Crew cab has troubles going downhill (stopping) even with studded tires due to its mass. Simple physics, the grip must be able to control the mass.

[@georgelurye6274]

Mass and a lack of weight over the rear axle, which reduces traction. Put some sand bags into the bed for the winter.

[@AStanton1966]

I live in CT, and our driveway sounds like yours. It's a bear in the wintertime. Thank God for hill descent on my Silverado.

[@splitsecondmagician]

Try a set of Toyo M55 tires on that GMC

[@ph1438]

Nokian tires ARE the best... I lived in Aomori Japan, one of the snowiest places on Earth, for seven years and went from the Blizzaks to Nokians... So much better and no more pucker factor....

[@redpilledpatriot8484]

Net Wright I’ve taken my Toyota Tacoma in snowy places I GUARANTEE a Subaru cannot go without getting stuck.

[@bretto9616]

Great review, it’s always nice seeing the snow. Would love to see another video where you go back and do the exact same test with proper snow tires to show the real world impact that they have, how the results change, and show the people who don’t believe in them just how much of a difference they really make. Random thought but I wish Subaru would come out with a proper off-road vehicle, with recovery hooks, raised up another inch or two, and maybe a proper engine with some power (Ascent STI edition lol).

[@TFLcar]

Agreed but Toyota seems to own the dedicated Japanese off-reader. Not even Honda wants to compete with them.

[@jessaphillips2846]

I always thought an Outback with another inch of lift and STi engine would be awesome lol

[@triscuitpower7196]

Saw a Suburu Outback yesterday with 2" of lift driving down the street. Hopefully it had the 6 cylinder.

[@harrisonfunderburk8965]

@@TFLcar I have a 2 inch lift on mine and it gets me anywhere I’ve ever needed

[@niconemba8065]

Dad and son had same passion.. sweet

[@FarrellMcGovern]

A couple of months ago, I picked up a used 2012 Subaru Forester, and I am very happy with it. Being up here in Ottawa, Canada, we get a lot of snow, and I put Michellin X-Ice Xi3s on it, and nothing I have had to deal with, and that's been up to a foot or more of snow, has stopped it. But with the all-season Yokhamas that it came with, they sucked galactic muffins in the snow. Great on the pavement, but crap on snow. The X-Ice's are very nice, and I feel very confident driving through just about anything a Canadian winter can throw at me.

[@NorthwoodsNomad]

I have a 2018 Subaru Outback 3.6R Touring , it handles snow covered highways and two track dirt roads like a dream . Excellent all around vehicle , perfect commuter that will get you places you never thought possible. I even take it hunting and have thrown a couple nice bucks over the the roof racks ( a funny sight but it was classic !) Everything stock and the Bridgestone Dueller AT M+S tires actually do pretty decent ( other than a little bit of roll in the corners , they do really well on wet / slippery / icy road conditions) I will change them out this Fall for a set of Falken Wildpeaks AT III Snow ❄️ rated siped tires , I read a lot of great reviews on these tires , about 5 lbs a piece heavier than the stock tires , but a significant improvement with off road performance being a dedicated snow / mud / all terrain tire . I’m quite happy with the symmetrical AWD system and these tires should enhance the overall performance quite well ! I’ve owned so many Pick up trucks throughout the course of my life , and unfortunately, the use for towing / hauling never could justify the need for having all that truck to utilize it’s capabilities only once or twice a year . To each his own …. Whatever fits your needs the best . The fuel mileage on the Outback definitely has the Pick up beat in that department too ! If I need something for dedicated heavy duty off road type of use , I’d just find an older jeep , or bronco , Toyota Land Cruiser deck it out for outlanding and have fun .

[@51249ca]

Did you get your tires yet? I have a 2017 3.6r Limited and was looking at the same tires. Otherwise Toyo AT3 was another option.

[@NorthwoodsNomad]

@@51249ca not yet .. they were out of stock when I tried to get a set from a local tire shop a few months back, and now I’m out of country working on contract . So I’ll just wait until next fall because the car is in storage and I won’t drive it until this spring ( I’ll just drive on the Bridgestone A+S throughout the summer and get a set ordered so I’ll have them next Fall . I haven’t checked out the Toyo tires yet, I’ll have to take a look , view some videos / reviews / performance and pricing . I’m glad I got one of the last remnants of the 3.6 before they went to the turbo charged , just something else to possibly go wrong in my opinion.

[@chunhaylee]

In the last test the F150 ended up mostly running in the groove whereas the Subaru stayed on the snow. So not a fair test.

[@georgeidpa]

chunhaylee Yes, I noticed that also. The truck had a distinct advantage.

[@navjotsingh3888]

yes!

[@robertcaldwell2994]

I noted that as well. Less fresh snow on the second pass so whoever went second had the advantage.

[@kevinarwood1897]

Not turning off traction control hurt a lot too.

[@altairfoo1920]

And that particular F150 is 10k more than the top-spec OutBack. 3.6L EcoBoost powertrain and 4x4 drivetrain. Even the WRX STI is still 37K MSRP, not 46K MSRP of that F150. And he is not using the X-MODE, and the F150 is using 4A which is essentially the X-MODE for Subaru vehicles.

[@aerialadventure7907]

I was happy to hear them point out that ‘all season ‘ tires suck on snow, however they were remiss in talking about all weather tires like the Toyo Celsius. They outperform some winter tires on snow and you can run them all year and they have a 60,000 mile rating.

[@12gauge1oz]

Excellent test. Probably one of your best episodes.

[@chrisclark3801]

“5 dad feet.” ! Hahaha. Awesome But would be curious about the power to weight ratio of the two vehicles.

[@isaackarjala7916]

"we do real world tests", aka "there are so many uncontrolled variables our results are useless for anything other than entertainment"

[@apexsmith3491]

yeah like auto mode? bruh, only 4 high would be comparable.

[@PolaOpposite]

The truck was not on powder, it was in the grooves the Subaru made. Also for stopping, I'd bet the first car down the hill had the advantage.

[@darkspd31]

Yup

[@teop7887]

That's most of TFL videos, especially their "real world tests" Cringy

[@cowboygeologist7772]

Thanks for posting. I feel even better I bought the '22 Forester 12 months ago. I only have 4,000 miles on it.

[@simd510]

Your forester been reliable?

[@cowboygeologist7772]

@simd510 yes, very and after almost 2 years, I traded it in and got just what I paid for it.

[@rogeliomendiola7177]

I live in northern Utah. I have an old ES300 and my wife has a GX470. On either vehicle, I use the transmission to slow down before using the brakes. I don’t slide much at all. Also, both have Michelin Defender all season tires.

[@stevest1300]

Just as in buying a house, it's location, location, location. In winter driving, it's tires, tires, tires. Get aggressive, siped tires. Stopping has little do with vehicle type and is all about tires.

[@johngaudet6316]

Also cars stop and turn much better and safer in snow because much less weight and power.

[@donnatakagi2642]

I would love to see this test with winter tires on both vehicles.

[@Nobody99998]

New too the channel. Love the father son episodes.

[@Nonplused]

My experience with a 2006 Explorer with automatic 4 wheel drive but also a manual overdrive for full time 4 wheel drive is that in deep snow at slow speeds or off-roading you want to turn any traction control off and go old style 4x4. Let the wheels spin and keep moving. Traction control redirects torque by applying the brake to any spinning wheel but if all 4 are taking turns spinning it gets confused and stops the vehicle. That's not how you get through a snow bank. So one of the "unique" features of traction control is that it assumes if one wheel is spinning, the others must have more traction so it puts on the brake for the spinning wheel to transfer torque through the differential to the other wheel. It doesn't have anything else to go on besides relative wheel speed. But if the other wheel doesn't have any more traction all that happens is the sudden transfer of torque causes that wheel to spin too. So in those situations straight up 4x4 is better. ABS is somewhat immune to this problem because it isn't trying to transfer torque, but instead prevent any sudden stop in wheel rotation (skidding). That's why it stops working when you get down to about 3 mph and you slide the last couple of feet. But at higher speeds the computer is more like "why did that wheel just go from 30 mph to zero? That can't be right." So it pulses the brakes to maintain wheel rotation and avoid skidding. Strangely, the computer doesn't seem to need to know whether you are on dry asphalt or snow, it just threshold brakes as much as it can without locking up the wheels.

[@elnietodeanadelia]

Would love to see this test done with a TRD Pro Tundra and an Subaru Ascent. Great vid, guys!

[@01gtbdaily30]

The 0-30 mph should have been compared to the same test in dry conditions . Then the only variable becomes traction. The difference between times in each condition should determine the winner.

[@clayrydick4561]

Great point!

[@rsberryalta]

Decades of driving Outbacks to Alta, Utah in winter, with winter tires. Never a problem, until snow is deeper than the bumper, 12” plus. But dirt road driving in S. Utah, always mud and snow, I need the Tacoma.

[@foford2010]

First snowfall this season and my wife who drives a Mazda Cx-5 with All season tires decided to drive my 4x4 f150 with winter tires to work.