FORD UK REJECTS ECOBOOST RECALL - THE BBC STEPS IN

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[@carukchannel]

Check out my latest update on the Ford 1.0 Ecoboost engine, Please remember you can skip sponsor ad by using the timeline chapter bar 👍👍

[@colnemac]

Would this information help if put to watchdog? Peugeot and Citroen issued a recall in 2021 relating to the wet timing belt degrading and causing restricted oil flow within the engine, which could cause significant damage. Although we would expect any car affected to have had rectification work carried out, it is possible that there are cars out there that have not been using the correct oil grade. We would expect a replacement timing belt to cost between £400 and £600

[@mattyb7736]

You have the engine model wrong, its an "ecosploder"

[@robertlinge3200]

Simple Money see my Mondeo Mk 5 post.

[@paulkear]

I have the ford puma 1.0 155 bhp the breaks feel like there grinding and also when you turn the steering wheel full lock to the right there's a clunking sound ford have said there's nothing wrong with the car and there's nothing I can do about it as its motorbility vehicle so I've got to put up with ut for another year then get something else maybe cupra born or what ever else there is with a nice enough linger enough mile range ish

[@muffindell]

Shocking that they are allowed to get away with what is a clear manufacturing fault

[@stevenhearnden6103]

Check out Renault claim in France for faulty 1.2 dig-T

[@petermorris9592]

It's not. The fault is that owners don't put the correct oil in the engine.

[@stuartd9741]

​@@petermorris9592manufacturers fault.

[@manicminer4573]

Sounds more like a design flaw than a manufacturing fault.

[@leeiverson145]

bullshit we see loads of these with issues @@petermorris9592

[@mightywatcher5894]

ford should be ashamed of themselves

[@peter7624]

They should be ashamed of themselves for passing a stupid design into production, it's a failure waiting to happen.

[@mjames978]

​@@peter7624 just the fact the belts are hidden inside the engine is a bad idea.

[@user-ww9yw4zi8m]

Ford has been beyond that for decades.

[@petecurran3995]

If they want a damaged reputation and reduced confidence in buying, just carry on.

[@SimonCoates]

Henry Ford would certainly be ashamed and rectify the issue, however the current owners will sleep sound and night.

[@raycollington4310]

Back in the day I was a Ford fan. Sadly those days are long gone. I wouldn't touch a Ford with a barge pole now.

[@ApnaChoud]

So what would you rate today?

[@lastwalkaroundmirrorlake]

Bag of shite now, even the Transit aren't as popular as they were, too expensive and unreliable compared to the Euro van

[@volt8684]

@@ApnaChoudjapanese

[@Luckyjo21]

Toyota Corolla @@ApnaChoud

[@AutoAndChill]

Built to fail.

[@andysautomotiveadventures9587]

I work in roadside recovery. All PSA and for vehicles with wet belts are affected by this. It's been going on for 5 years at least

[@S-Ltd1000]

PSA issued a recall. Hasn't stopped the things from blowing up though!

[@andysautomotiveadventures9587]

@@S-Ltd1000 I simply wouldn't touch anything that Stellantis have been near

[@don-qb4xb]

Yes. Seeing these PSA cars in our workshop all the time. Hard to believe as a mechanic what engineer ever thought running a timing belt in oil was ever a good idea. Scandalous.

[@Zaphod-ef9yz]

My brother in law had to scrap his 2016 DS because the timing belt has flaked away in the engine due to the oil and nobody would touch it with a barge pole. Sounds an absolutely stupid design!?!

[@georgenorris882]

I don’t know what the case is for Ford but on the early PSA puretech cars in the vehicle handbook it says replace timing belt every 112k miles which is part of the problem. In February of this year my 2015 DS3 unfortunatly broke down on the M27. As annoying as it was at the time the repair was very minor and not too expensive to fix. While in the garage I did ask them to have a good look at the vehicle to check it over for anything else and this is where they alerted me about the condition of my timing belt: although it is not flaking yet, it will be within the next few thousand miles. It wouldn’t get to 80k mile. Mine has just hit 72k miles and is booked in for the 21st of this month. Nowhere near what the handbook says. It does say on Citroens website now to change every 62.5k miles now for pure tech engines but this is not public enough and many people will resort to their handbooks. A lot of otherwise perfectly good 2013-2018 cars will be affected by this sadly

[@TheMerlin672]

I'm not a fan of wet belt engines, whether that is a Ford engine or PSA group engine. Rubber running in engine oil is just plain wrong. How come Nissan and others use a chain? Go figure.....

[@thomaswalker1258]

One true fact is that the PSA group engine is loosely based on the eco boost engine. Peugeot gave Ford there diesel engine and Ford gave them the eco boost engine but Peugeot bored it out to 1.2 and bolted their bits to it

[@TCBOT]

nissan is junk too plastic timing guides that fail alot

[@gaillomax]

Lot of Nissan cars now have Renault engines the juke & etc .they are crap as well with tensioners & belts.

[@zahirahmed2498]

Even the merc 180's also have the same 1.5dci engines

[@TheMerlin672]

@@zahirahmed2498Yes, that's right. I recall a merc GLA owner being horrified when he opened his bonnet to see a poxy renault 1.5dci pile of crap under the damn thing. He actually got rid of it at 30k with knackered fuel injectors.

[@HarryHewitt-lh8xx]

I’ve got a mk1 focus , it’s 20 years old. Engine is sweet as a nut. It’ll probably outlast most of these ecobombs. I’m sure someone will start a class action lawsuit, and then they’ll get off their arses.

[@billpugh58]

Worry geezer worry motor😂

[@HarryHewitt-lh8xx]

@@billpugh58 ?

[@Adam-gq7gk]

I loved my old tdci, but the great British weather decided to eat her

[@maudcls5610]

​@@Adam-gq7gkrust will get to Old fords before the engine goes

[@jimmyjt16]

I’m a big Ford fan, but it’s disgusting how they’ve dealt with these ecoboost customers. I’m on the FB group and these cars have literally ruined people financially. How the DVSA and governments haven’t stepped in to force Fords hands I don’t know.

[@ouethojlkjn]

Wasn’t there a similar problem with those tiny turbo engines blowing up all the time?

[@jonathansimmons5353]

Ecoboom..😅

[@byeck63]

Well said. I was interested in buying a used Fiesta or Focus for my daughter until I heard about this. Shocking lack of response from Ford to a clear problem. I will buy from a brand that looks after customers better than this.

[@thebanditsix]

1.25cc or 1.4 ford engines are reliable.

[@rugbydazz2264]

Well let us know when you find this manufacturer, they are all the same, nknd if them will give you the steam off their piss!

[@tomwall7966]

Only 1 engine affected its the 💥 boom 1 litre 1.6 and 2.0 are fantastic but I understand why people will change from ford boom 💥

[@HappyTyke25]

I wish I'd known sooner about this issue, I bought a 2014 focus for my young son for when he passes his test. The problem is though it's not only Ford that use these wet belts, other car companies do too.

[@baylessnow]

1 word, TOYOTA. I'm sorry I had to let mine go (due to rust) and replaced it with a PSA wet belt engined car. I won't be keeping this car for 10 years, that's for sure!

[@brianiswrong]

Sold our 2013 ecoboost fiesta and bought the same size engine (1.0turbo petrol 3 pot) kia rio, same bhp no wet belt👍 The £1200 we saved on changing the belt on a 2013 car helped buy a 2017 car.

[@y0rkiebar]

Same here, sold my 2013 Ecoboost Fiesta last year and bought a 1.0 turbo petrol 3 cylinder from another manufacturer.

[@johnmunro4952]

Ford USA was dragged through the courts. Until this happens here( it won't) nothing will happen. The only hope is that the EU ( yes those guys) will act on what's happened in the USA and force Ford to do the right thing.

[@happysporran]

excellent comment👍. . nothing to add

[@kevinmoffatt]

The EU is in the pocket of big business hence enforced mass invasion of Europe so ford gets a free pass.

[@pammy5260]

I have something to add, just dont buy ford. I know all cars regardless of manufacturer go wrong at some point but when ford refuse to fix a problem they are aware of it speaks volumes what they really value most and its not their customers or reputation. Just money and greed!

[@stevensmith8454]

Yep little England cant stand up against Ford !

[@gregnorth6413]

EU6 was a step too far and most manufacturers have issues with their engines. JLR and Ford are not the only manufacturers to fall foul of E6.

[@steve5022]

The simple reason why Ford UK are not are not recalling these flawed cars is that the UK doesn't have a legal system comparable to the class action lawsuit system as in the US. Loosing against a class action lawsuit can cost millions. A few years back there was a very similar situation with certain models of Hewlett-Packard laptop computers where many were failing both in and just outside warranty. The reason: a chip on the mainboard was becoming so hot it partially desoldered itself from the mainboard. In the US under threat of a class action lawsuit, HP extended the warranty by 2 years and repaired f.o.c. laptops failing with this issue. In the UK where products were failing with the exact same issue, HP refused to extend the warranty. This meant that here if your laptop failed just after the 1 year warranty expired it was effectively scrap as repair costs were prohibitive. Finally, having had to scrap my Focus 1.8 TDCi on account of a failed wet belt, I'll never buy a car with a wet belt system again. Ford or otherwise.

[@Adam-gq7gk]

Just off hand how would you know if it had a wet belt system? Like other suppliers for example? I normally stick to German cars so I definitely know they don't have one but

[@rollyunicorn]

@@Adam-gq7gk Personally if it doesn't have a chain I'm not interested. Why would they even come up with this wet belt nonsense? In what way could something like that ever be better than the tried and tested chain? Absolutely mental.

[@Adam-gq7gk]

@rollyunicorn I've seen another reply about the engine fitting on a sheet of a4 paper so maybe they did it to save space or something? Can't see any other reason for doing it

[@eadjh98]

I hope Ford listens to you and the BBC and get their backsides into gear! Thanks for sharing! 👍👍

[@Old-Bald-and-Grumpy]

Ford most probably calculated that going to court in US and loosing would cost them more than recall. That is not the case in UK or EU - remember Diesel-gate?

[@andrewstainsby]

ford did the same with the steering racks on the mk5 mondeo, took over 3yrs after the recall in america before they issued a recall for the faulty bolts fitted, denying all the time that there was a problem with them while replacing them in america

[@55anglesearambler]

Like many others I experienced the steering rack issue on the 57 plate Mondeo (bought new). Ford refused to acknowledge the issue with the seals and wouldn't recall. Cost me a lot of money to resolve even using my really helpful long term mechanic. Vowed then I'd never buy another Ford and haven't. Same mechanics told me of the Ecoboost debacle and the quantity of vehicles coming into them with major problems. Their honest assessment was to avoid that engine and avoid Ford because the build quality generally had deteriorated so significantly. I'd previously had a Fiesta followed by 2 other Mondeo's so was a Ford loyalist. Not any longer.

[@richardjohnson3463]

Just reinforces why I've NEVER owned a Ford and never will. Shame on them

[@m.shearer5233]

I bought a 2017 ford focus eco boost 7 months ago and the engine light came on a few days after I bought the car... I was in warranty so the dealer had a garage look into it for 2 days and come back with nothing found even though a P0015 code was showing... I was told it's probably a dirty sensor and will eventually go away. Today I now have P0015' P0017 and P00365 so I went to a garage for an opinion and was told all about the wetbelt financial nightmare is the probable cause... A £1'500 estimated bill... I've decided to pay up and keep the car hoping I get a few years out of it. The service history has not been stamped every single year so the ford main dealer will reject a goodwill payment for sure. Wishing I did my homework before I purchased the car solves nothing so all I can do is highlight the nightmare on social media to save the public thousands of pounds. Thankyou for reviewing and sharing this information 👍

[@aaron4310]

Some of these wet belts are a joke.i owned a peugeot 308 with 55k on the clock which needed a new timing belt, oil pump sump cleaned out and oil flushed through it twice. I recommend staying clear of wet timing belts.

[@pauldewit117]

My 1.2 puretech broke down at 40 000 miles. Oil pump failure. Stay away from these engines.

[@S-Ltd1000]

Fortunately I got rid of mine after replacing both vvt solenoids, a sure sign of a failing belt. Traded it in on a Mazda 3 skyactiv G petrol which has been bulletproof over the last 3 years.

[@daveblack5109]

You've hit the nail on the head. There are to many cars with this engine in Europe. back in 2015 over 230,000 1.0L eco-boost engines were on the roads of Europe so the cost today would be astronomical due to the labour content of the work. Ford won't touch it unless they are forced to through the courts or the DVSA Safety Recalls code of practice. It's as ever about the money!

[@theone2519]

I have got rid of Fiesta Vignale, My Brother in Law’s Brother had a 1.0L Ecoboost Focus failed on the motorway, when the AA arrived for recovery, he confirmed it was a Wet belt failure. It’s a known problem.

[@carukchannel]

sorry to hear

[@theone2519]

Thank you, the problem between UK and US when it comes to Companies being held accountable for poorly designed Cars, Engines is that there seems to be much more clout over there, In the U.K. Our Government’s and Agency’s always seems to be one the side of the Companies until it really goes wrong, The Post Office Scandal is a prime example.

[@user-kk2bo4de8m]

Unless you really do your homework on your particular car issue and fully understand the design you have and the failings, you will get fobbed off by dealers with these ecoboosts ,

[@nigelbarratt6825]

Ever since I was a mechanic working on Fords in the 1960s I've avoided them like the plague, they were a heap of crap then and they're a heap of crap now. I wouldn't even buy a wheelbarrow if it had a Ford badge on it!

[@mikemartin2957]

Yes, but those Ford's from the 60s & 70s were simple to work on, had simple Lucas Electrics, conventional layout, had plenty of working room under the bonnet, had reasonable power ( even in crossflow form), good handling, good styling as well . Huge choice of Engines & body styles! Pity they didn't pay more attention to rustproofing.Ford stuff now is pretty dull despite slick advertising. To many unsavoury tie ins with VW, PSA & Iveco/ Fiat

[@nigelbarratt6825]

@@mikemartin2957 Can't argue with much of what you say, but they were still crap. Can't complain though, I used to make a living out of fixing them when they broke down or failed, which they did with alarming frequency, like the Mk 3 Cortinas with Pinto engines that ate camshafts on a regular basis from the day they were launched, the awful design meaning that you couldn't get the camshaft out without taking the head off. We've just had to pay for 2 new engines in Transits, one 2019 with 77k miles which blew its head gasket and the main dealer couldn't get the injectors out to get the head off, and the other 2018 with a broken wet cambelt 30k miles before it was due for change. As I said, they were a heap of crap way back then and they still are!

[@user-yq9nv4zc3j]

Great video, and this problem is exactly why my daughter has recently sold her 1.0 eco-boost fiesta before it goes eco-boom! No more Fords for us. It’s disgraceful! 9:37

[@aalphataxis]

It's the same story in the ecoblue diesel. I've just spent £1100 changing the belt at 70k miles as a precaution. Mechanic said the belt had started to deteriorate and pieces were in the oil pick up.

[@chiefrocka8604]

Would he say nahh it’s perfect after he’s just fleeced you of 11 hundred sovs 😂 Cmon man stop it

[@MC-nb6jx]

@@chiefrocka8604… Not everyone is dishonest!!

[@aalphataxis]

It was done for peace of mind. Would have made no odds if it was perfect. Ask around some are fine, some are almost disintegrated with no rhyme or reason. It's 10 grand for another engine.

[@user-fq8tt2tm6q]

​@@aalphataxisWhich version of the ecoblue you got? 1.5L or 2L?

[@aalphataxis]

@user-fq8tt2tm6q 2.0. I had a vauxhall before with a chain. No bother whatsoever.

[@agiugabenson7268]

Why would anyone buy a Ford car anymore? They have confirmed that they will not look after their customers now or in the future. Bye bye Ford

[@VFRhondamike]

Proof I’ll wait

[@mickkidston7344]

judging by your handle@@VFRhondamike I'll have to assume you're taking the piss , or was it your little brother VFhondamike, that wasn't an engineering fuckup ??

[@baylessnow]

I have a Ford. It has a dry cam belt. It was made in 1975!

[@petermorris9592]

Because they handle well, are comfortable, easy to get parts for, cheap to run, and reliable. That's why.

[@agiugabenson7268]

@@petermorris9592 Definitely mid table only when it comes to reliability as a brand and I refer you back to the headline .

[@Darkelf7201]

Bravo Lee. What do they expect would happen putting a rubber belt in a liquid that gets super hot.....it's going to desintegrate the belt. Keep going Lee, a victory for the little people is needed :)

[@tomwall7966]

Hot 🔥 oil and rubber don't agree 👌 why they didn't just put a dry belt on rubber wet belt is joke

[@G-ra-ha-m]

They could all be using gears: last forever. They'd lose servicing profits, perhaps, but stay in business and clean up on market share.

[@mikemartin2957]

​@@G-ra-ha-myes STEEL gears & not the Lignum Vitae or Tufnol crap Ford used on the Cologne & Later Essex V engines.

[@nigden1]

Basically, stick to petrol or diesel Fords from years ago, the Zetec petrols and 1.8 turbo diesels were brilliant.

[@Finglesham]

My 2005 2L zetec petrol is still fine and starts first time. Yes, VED is very high now but the car is cheap to run over the 18 years that I have owned it. Terrible about the latest scandal but the laws in the UK are weak for customer safety.

[@djemmay]

The 1.8 TDCi diesels were derived from a Peugeot engine iirc. Ford can’t claim the credit for them. The 1.25 petrol Zetecs were decent engines in the Fiesta mk4 and above. The 1.4 petrol Zetec 90ps in the mk4 Fiesta was discontinued though due to overheating problems. After that, the 1.6 Zetec petrol units in mk5’s were solid.

[@FatHead1979]

@@djemmay Nope, you're talking crap. The 1.6 and 2.0 TDCi engines were PUG derived, the 1.8 TDCi (Lynx) engines were based on an old Ford engine from the 80s. There's enough people spreading misinformation on YT these days, without you joining that group!

[@OverlandExpedition]

@@djemmayYeah i bought a fiesta 1.25 zetec of a family member (1 year old) when I started a job with 110 mile commute. I had no intention of keeping the job so was not too bothered about running 1.25 fiesta for a few months. Turned out I spent 9 years in the Job and the fiesta was just the work hack car. 195000 miles before I got rid of it, absolutely nothing went wrong with it beyond minor items like heater resister packs 2 times and general maintenance. I am considering getting another one to keep forever now I am retired.

[@jimmyjt16]

I have the 1.6 tdci in my Fiesta and it’s nearly on 200k, but Ford can’t take credit for it as it’s a DV6 Peogeot lump.

[@einfelder8262]

Ford has a long history of not fixing it's flawed products. The reason is simple - many of their products are so badly flawed they are not fixable no matter what is done. Like the dual clutch transmission for example. So they just deny their customers any remedy whatsoever.

[@wezist]

The wet belt system is terrible... I had a 09 Transit connect 1.8 that had a wet belt.. It got to 130k so decided to do a chain conversion as i was gettting worried lol. Lucky i did to be fair because it was a right mess when took it out, back of the belt was cracked everywhere and was defo due to fall apart... So much better with that chain....

[@bigend07]

I got an 03 connect with the bottom chain standard. The wet bottom belt started late 2007. I'm looking at some newer connects 09/12.chain conversation Willbe first thing I do. Where did you get the bottom chain kit? How much it cost?

[@wezist]

@@bigend07 Got it from eBay, full kit. Chain, top belt, water pump and gaskets... Not too bad of job if you take your time, hardest part was getting the injector pump gasket on without damaging it..

[@bigend07]

@@wezist great will look 👍 Yes done the injector pump on mine before when did engine replacement, used some sealer on the outer gasket. You on about the fine rubber ring you have to side through? 9 years mine not leaked. Want a newer connect but this will be first job if I go for one

[@wezist]

@@bigend07 Yes bud the the rubber ring, mine was mega tight.. I've just had a look at my old purchases to see where I got it from but the listing no longer exists... Great vans, I have a 15 plate one now and it isn't half as good as the old one, to be fair that one is still going strong (a friend bought it from me) has over 200k on now! Doubt this one will last that long....

[@sbrader97]

I'm not surprised they only did it in the US because they probably sold about 5 cars with this tiny engine lol so it's not much cost to them compared to probably hundreds of thousands in the UK

[@andrewwaller5913]

He stated 140,000. Dunno where you get 5 from, thin air ?

[@sbrader97]

@@andrewwaller5913 It was just an exaggeration in comparison to the amount of cars with the 1.0 ecoboost in the UK

[@andrewwaller5913]

@@sbrader97 Yes I realise that but you imply that virtually none were sold in the USA, but that is where Ford ARE recalling them!

[@damianleah6744]

The eco boost engine when it came out was lorded as the best engine around, almost mystical. Fastward a few years . 🙈👍

[@FatHead1979]

In many ways, that's still true. If Ford had to just used a chain and tensioners of an appropriately good grade, instead of this crazy idea of running a rubber belt in dirty engine oil, this issue simply wouldn't be happening.

[@D3M0ify]

...yeah, the best engine to fail!

[@Dante1282]

It still is since only The 1ltr engines are affected

[@martf9875]

Nice One Lee ,, All the best to all the ford owners , 👍

[@wayneo1234]

Glad I got rid of mine!

[@johnmunro4952]

Mine was sound. Had it 3.5 years with nothing but great mpg, fun to drive and £20 tax.

[@AutoAndChill]

Turns out the "boost" in ecoboost was to boost your car straight off the road so it's more "eco"

[@Dante1282]

Not really. The issue is only with their 1.0 engines not the others. But that's to hard to get for some. Easier to badmouth the entire engine family...

[@safdarrizvi9885]

Good work and research Lee.If enough pressure is put on Ford UK they will buckle.They have mis sold a product not fit for purpose.I only ever drove one once a Focus estate 1 litre eco boost and i was scratching my head at such a big heavy car having a puny engine.

[@TRPGpilot]

That's why you are obviously not an automotice powerplant engineer . . .

[@skrimshanker1]

Its unfathomable how they tested this engine b4 launch and not one engineer ever thought that running a belt through oil might cause issues, clearly they were so happy about the headlines about it fitting on an A4 sheet of paper they forgot to test it properly. Bizarre

[@barrywood5357]

They knew all about this problem long time ago. As they were being designed and prototypes being built they where failing on endurance tests in the test cells in Dunton essex

[@user-hf7jp2lt5x]

These belts have been used successfully in machine tools for ages. However machine tools don’t build up combustion products in the oil and don’t get the wrong oil on servicing. Both are aggravating factors for belt failure. I am not a fan.

[@tracyhenshaw9095]

This has just happened with my daughters 68 plate ecoboost car, £7600 to fix as new engine and turbo needed and car has only done 61,000 miles. Even though our claim was initially rejected by our warranty I fought and argued and they have now done a u turn this week and authorised the whole repair.

[@BionicRusty]

The reason Ford have done nothing here in the UK? Because we’re British and we won’t complain and push hard enough. Huge kudos to you for what you’ve accomplished on this. You seem to be the spearhead on this and, for that, you should be saluted.

[@zzhughesd]

Won’t buy these as stock any year. 8 failure lines. Garbage Nobody, max 1 in 8 services cars on time using entirely right oils. These are always going to collapse these EcoBooms

[@lennonsmith255]

We have exactly this issue today with our 2018 Focus ST Line which is at 70k miles. Oil light came on on motorway then moments later, lost all power. and was making awful noises. Managed to get to hard shoulder without causing an accident as a plume of smoke came out of the exhaust before the engine went kapputt completely. The recovery guy and our mechanic (who wouldn't even touch it) knew exactly what it was and we are left now without a car. We contacted Ford via email who sent a wishy washy response. Upon replying to that we mentioned BBC's WatchDog and now they have responded saying they have referred us to another department and are asking for lots of information which we are going to send over tomorrow. Don't hold out much hope based on other people's stories but it is actually criminal! Thanks for your informative videos.

[@sandiecleland5066]

My 2017 manual Ford Focus failed me this week - oil pressure light came on, I pulled over. AA towed to garage and the engine is damaged beyond repair. The garage described exactly the same problem you are discussing. I still have a year to pay on the car - can't afford to get it fixed, can't afford to replace it. Thank you so much for highlighting this - the more I read the more I realise there are many people in the same position.

[@sandiecleland5066]

Just to add, it had 78000 on clock and a full service history.

[@liamegan4303]

Hi Lee. Jesus I haven't heard anything about this bro 😢. Nice one for the Info. I can just imagine what Ford is saying in the boardroom, lol 😆. Thanks Buddy 👋👋🫶🇨🇮

[@cptkretin]

Wonder what the recall fix is in the US? a chain conversion maybe. Ford UK's reaction pretty much mirrors the rest of the big company's in the UK, water, energy, insurance ect..their all the same.

[@carukchannel]

Uprated belt I am told, these kits are becoming available in the UK

[@jwgaming1580]

​@carukchannel any details of where? Main dealers only or independents?

[@MegaReddevil71]

I have seen myself at about 70k they have issues first sign a delay in oil light going out when its started sure sign the strainer is getting blocked

[@Gixer-lp1hp]

I am changing the oil and filter at 50% oil life displayed on the information display instead of waiting for the service light to come on. However last time i noticed small bits in the bottom of the drained oil. I suspect these are bits of the belt so even changing the oil early doesnt seem to fix the Issue.

[@PhatTony-km3fl]

My father worked at Fords manufacturing Uk for over thirty years, therefore my brother and I were entitled to a family discount even after he passed.However, due to many major faults and poor service from the dealers and Ford themselves after purchasing 6x new cars between us, plus myself also having from new a company Transit van (2018), this vehicle went in to be fixed about 7 times and recovered twice in the 1st 18 months! After a 10 year spell with Ford we gave up, switching to Mazda and Skoda, we have enjoyed a hassle free car experience ever since. Honestly I cannot see the attraction of Ford as a brand.

[@chiefrocka8604]

2020 onwards got a chain , so many dumbos tarring the whole lot with a dirty brush. I’ve seen 2020 on 100k miler 1.0’s only plugs oil &filters changed

[@608dave1]

HI mate, commented on last vid on this subject, cause my lad works service dept, main ford dealer, uk. They've been inundated with enquiries regards this subject,daily in fact, dealers being left high & dry by ford, with very little support. Shocking that Ford UK behaving this way, have to say though that your on the right line with regards your assumption of reasoning behind it, absolutely its down to the shear volume of vehicles in UK & EU compared with USA, that same point being discussed massively within dealers, simply if there was to be a recall, they would struggle to cope

[@yankees2000]

Went to Trustford recently to buy a 2015 Ford Focus (65 plate) but I remember what you said in the past and I did not buy.

[@paulharrison6417]

trustford selling a 2015?

[@nickiluck94]

More like (don't) TrustFord !

[@user-hf7jp2lt5x]

Wet belts are the best advert for going electric I know.

[@ODD_NUT]

You are an idiot😂

[@gamelias87]

In 2019 Mercedes sent me a recall letter for passenger airbag. Car in question is 08 plate They changed driver and passenger airbags all free or charge

[@carukchannel]

I had one for a Vauxhall today 2009 plate for corroded rear trailing arms, 😂 to be fair merc are decent on recalls, they still repair c class rear suspension arms breaking which is common and from 2008

[@andrewgent5887]

Peugeot, Citroen which now, sadly, includes Vauxhall have the same issues, …stay well clear!

[@terryjones3755]

It's happening to manual vehicles too I regularly see them in my workshop.

[@davidwilkinson7746]

I have a 2015 ford bmax 1.0 ecoboost 125bhp with 86.000 on the clock

[@richweighell7233]

I have had 3 wetbelts replaced at our cost on the Transit 2.0 diesel. I got a big kick in the testicles from a 2019 transit connect. These have a dry timing belt but a small timing chain at the gearbox end joining the 2 cams . At 60k miles the chain tensioner failed leaving me with a bill for £8600 after it let go and destroyed the engine. Ford really are shit

[@Steeeveeeee152]

Same thing here with the mustang wireloom in the boot, US and ANZ recalled it but they wont do it in the UK

[@michaeldeere7009]

Only got a partial allowance as the Ford dealer insisted on charging an extra substantial fee just to observe the snapped wires in addition to the charge for the repair.

[@frankjames7247]

Great work well done.

[@peterhaymaker7562]

Hello Lee, Just watched the video - good stuff. I have a Ford Focus Estate that I purchased new in 2014 that has the 1.0L Ecoboost engine (125hp) that has now done 37, 550 miles. I've been in touch with FORD UK as I knew about the recall in the U.S.A. They told me they 'Were aware of that but were not planning any recall here in the U.K'. I told them I wasn't very impressed as I was assured I would never have to worry about the cam belt; they weten't interested. I might tell you that when I bought the car I enquired at the main dealer about the cam belt and was assured it didn't have one but had a timimg chain. I also have a Fiesta, '17' plate with the Ecoboost Engine purchase new with 7,000 miles on the clock. I've been back to my Ford Main Agent that I purchased the cars from and again was told there was no recall. They have given me a quote of £1,550.00 to replace the belt which I haven't taken up as yet although my car is going to be 10 years old this month, the age they now recommend changing the belt. As you can imagine I'm not over the moon about that. As things seem to be escalating I shall now do more to see what responsibiliy FORD will take, if any. I might also add the salesman who sold me these cars is still with the Main Agent/Dealer and I spoke to him recently and amazingly he knew nothing about the problems with this engine. Mmmm? Thanks for your videos, been a subscribler for some time now. If there's any way I can help with this matter please let me know. Thanks, P.

[@carukchannel]

Sorry to hear this peter, not what you expect from one of our oldest largest car brands. As for the belts they can be replaced for around half that figure you mention by firms using the correct genuine parts. Check out online there is plenty of firms doing these now as specialists. Time wise they are about 8-10 hours to do so not nice job

[@devonbikefilms]

Peter, salesmen borrow your watch to tell you the time….. That’s fine if we understand that. My brother worked for a company that supplied “crew” transit vans to there workers a few years ago. Their vehicle off road statistics soared until they got rid early. Wouldn’t touch a Ford these days.

[@peterhaymaker7562]

Hello Brian @@devonbikefilms, and thanks for the message. I've dealt with my Main Ford Agent in this area for many years, both car and agricultural. Years ago I used to say they were second to none in this area - no longer for quite a few years now. When my current Fords go you won't see another one here for several good reasons. Ford and their main dealer here don't deserve any customers. Cheers!

[@TheZar76]

Only had mine for 6 months this has made my mind up I'm selling it with huge loss . First and last ford I ever buy

[@andymcnaughton2100]

I had a RAC tech come to a fault on my Kuga auxiliary battery and he saw my eco sport and said you’ve got what we call a ticking time bomb !

[@carukchannel]

Did he get you up and running again andy ?

[@andymcnaughton2100]

He did but the battery died again , he told me there is a lot of Kugas having failing auxiliary batteries and Fords are not recognising this issue yet

[@Adam-gq7gk]

​@andymcnaughton2100 get rid quick

[@amac1657]

Same issue with the Peugeot pure tech engine wet belt. Peugeot have recalled other countries but not the uk. Our car was off the road for nearly 2 months sitting at the dealership

[@niallhickey3336]

My 2014 1.0 lt ecoboost timing belt went in 2020 when the car had about 60,000 miles on the clock. The oil strainer had blocked 2 years previous. I sold it in Jan before it blew again .

[@ChrisShortyAllen]

Not true

[@stephenhamer1702]

I am a mechanical fitter......I have spent months looking into cars and their reliability. It is a minefield. We needed an estate car for my son. We looked and researched. Newer cars are mostly overcomplicated and unreliable with some pretty scary and very costly faults. Ended up buying a 2011 mk 2.5 Ford Focus 1.6 Zetec with 65,000 miles on two owners and a full service history with timing belt done. It is in very good condition It wasn't cheap, cars are so expensive right now..Time will tell how it goes it's always a gamble. There are very few superb models to choose from. Most have serious issues.

[@paulharrison25]

I have a manual, and I've had to have a new wet belt fitted, at great expense to me. The mileage was 48k and the cambelt specialist said it had already started to deteriorate.

[@ChilledGuitarReviews]

We don't have a litigious enough society for this to go anywhere in the UK. Exactly the same situation with those garbage Nissan CVT gearboxes, class action suit in the US forced them to honour replacements far past the standard warranty but over here it's jog on.

[@WayneRambo]

eco boom! 😂typical thanks Lee keep up the good work fella

[@mightywatcher5894]

my sister was asking me should i get a focus ecoboost i said hell no do not as im selling her car soon due to subframe failed on twingo

[@HA05GER]

See the ecoboost to drive is lovely. Weve just bought one luckily had a ford replacement engine about 10k ago and has been and will be maintained by ford. Alot of the issue is not using the correct oils my mate who works in the dealer recons alot of the issues are customer induced be it lack of servicing or using inferior oil.

[@EppingForest304]

You’re becoming a Consumer Champion! 👍🙏

[@brens9056]

You are right to say this

[@theusefulchannel]

That Vehicle Score is pretty useful.

[@philmoffett366]

Well done you mate for making this issue as important as it is👍 I have a 2019 ford focus and all I can get from ford about this issue is (and my local ford dealer accidentally admitted it then realised what he/they said then quickly changed his tune) was it only affected models to 2017 but I think that’s bulls**t because it’s still the same engine in them after 2017 and why 2022 onwards are chain driven🤔 I change my oil every 6 months don’t know if it makes any difference but time will tell I guess🤷🏻

[@jwgaming1580]

If your 2019 Focus is the mk4 version it has a timing chain. They quietly updated the engine when they released the mk4 Focus. Hope this helps

[@dudders7168]

I am reliably informed that a cam chain was added during 2020 However there will be masses of wet belts registered during 2020 also so a trained eye inspection would be necessary for peace of mind. I seem to recall that the oil pump is still driven by a blessed wet belt.

[@2525Hudson]

Wow, i had considered getting one of these......... so glad i stumbled upon this.

[@Heppie89]

2017 plate 1.0 ecoboost C-max engine just bit the dust last week, 60k miles. Belt degraded and blocked the oil pickup causing loss of oil pressure. Shocking.

[@HunterHatchy]

I am now currently suffering with this issue, and trying to sort this now.

[@leedstown]

There are 3 or 4 garages in my area rmthat speciise in putting in rebuilt engines mostly in transits with snapped belts there are a lot +!

[@chrisyorourke]

Started failing in my 16 plate manual grand cmax at 60000. Engine lost pressure, turbo not working but fortunately not the breaks failing.

[@MegaReddevil71]

The idea of keeping the belt to drive the oil pump is madness on the latest version of the ecoboost

[@bobelable]

Iv replaced a lot of wet belts never had a tensioner problem not one of them it's the oil that attacks the belt which blocks ups the oil pick up and its down to the wrong grade of oil ,iv changed belts on these which have covered a 120000 miles and they were in god condition manuals and auto's

[@AHP88]

exactly the same issue with the 2.0 ecoblue!!!

[@jamieknight4215]

I had the same problem with my Vauxhall Grandland x 68 plate. It had only done 34000.

[@ThatMicro43Guy]

Big issues too with the wet belts on Transit custom around 2016. Wet belt fails unbelievably often. Belt degrades and small pieces of rubber block oil ways and engines fail at around 100k

[@oddities-whatnot]

I had a Transit in the late 80s, 1.6 petrol. Superb van. Cant say the same about modern versions. Ever wonder why parcel and courier firms never seem to use Transits ? Engines just dont last long enough.

[@xDazMaaNx]

I have a 2016 1L eco-boost ST line just after Christmas my engine exploded while I was driving it.. thankfully it didn’t set on fire.

[@davewhittles]

well done reaching 50k

[@carukchannel]

Thanks! 😃

[@fr.mcgreer8349]

That's what I said to my Fiesta Ecoboost

[@tommy4244]

After watching your first video about the 1.0 Ecoboost I contacted Ford UK to ask about the recall. I explained that we own a 2013 Fiesta 1.0 Ecoboost and that I had heard that vehicles with these engines in the US were being recalled. I was told that there was no recall in the UK and that none were planned for the future.

[@carukchannel]

They don't have any intention in recalling them tbh, although they should be as the issue is the same in UK and US vehicles

[@ElliottSix]

Currently have 4 1.0 in the family various millage 32k, 33k, 41k and 56k all the 2016-2018 model engine. Serviced every 8k or 12 months whichever first with ford genuine oil and filter. I will be putting a scope into the sump pickup pipe on them next service to see if any issues running recommended genuine castrol oil 5w20. All manual vehicles.

[@carukchannel]

Good servicing is key, 👍 sadly this issue with the auto box causing vibration and breaking the tensioner fault can not be prevented with keeping on top of servicing as its a design issue hence the recall in the US

[@D3M0ify]

You have a ton of issues coming your way...... 4 ecobombs getting ready to destroy your bank balance - get rif of this ford crap asap.

[@ElliottSix]

@@D3M0ify that's not how it works, I also buy and sell 1.0s and every single one I've sold is still on the road 👍

[@graemeclyne4936]

My 1ltr focus was a disaster from once I got it from the dealership, swapped with a 1.5 kuga which was also a disaster with engine issues.. both ecoboost manuals.

[@David-ir1uc]

Got a company ford transit connect 69 plate with 50,00miles just had the prop shaft go. Fix or repair daily is quite apt

[@oddities-whatnot]

I worked for a company years ago that used Transits to deliver their stock but the amount that broke down was astonishing. They changed the fleet to Sprinters after that and were extremely reliable.

[@KevinBower-gy5be]

Ford have replaced many, many hundreds of 2.0 Euro 6 engines on Transit Customs, even on vans well outside of warranty. Wet belt failure caused by oil dilution.

[@FatHead1979]

Yup, the 2.0 EcoBlue is a huge trud of an engine

[@Luckyjo21]

Yep my 2020 MS-RT top spec needs a new engine at 78k miles..@@FatHead1979

[@rayjennings3637]

PSA have had the 'wet belt' problem for many years with the 1.2 three cylinder engine and have gone through a number of iterations of timing belt, tuning the width, tooth depth and angle, belt composition and overall thickness, etc. I understand that a couple of years ago they arrived at a solution to the problem and I haven't heard of problems since late 2021/early 2022. How they tackled recalls and any warranty claims though, I have no idea.

[@rogerfroud300]

As an Engineer, I smell BS when Ford is claiming that it's only a certain transmition that's causing the issue. Your comment that the wet belt system isn't fit for purpose is spot on. This is going to ultimately cost Ford a fortune, regardless of what they do. Their inaction is going to cost them more in the long run. However, it's going to be so costly to fix, they could go bankrupt.

[@stephenk0nig252]

The problems have been highlighted on the Facebook ECOboost Nightmare group for ages. Using Ford Castrol 05W20 oil though will preserve the wet belt - other oils will degrade it. The bit about the tensioner I think is just there to confuse - I have never heard of the tensioner causing a problem in the UK before.

[@tomwall7966]

Na mate hot cooked oil that goes boiling point is no use to a wet belt I'm afraid

[@lindamiskin4522]

One of your UK based Utubers regularly does normal Ford dry timing g belt changes and has just recently done a couple of the Ford Ecoboom wet belt changes. Judging by the work he has to go through for the wet belt ones it seems as though the design for maintenance aspect has been poor as well.

[@redlineste4283]

Big Ford fan but sadly think they are struggling these days. Used to be affordable with so many desirable models to choose from. Clearly cutting costs and not looking after quality and customers.

[@UnderGr0undErnie]

An issue I had with my ecoboost 1.0L engine is that it all of a sudden would not go over 50mph, and took about 5 minutes to climb to 60 mph, Ford Uxbridge first said that is normal for a 1.0L engine. Then my brakes failed and Ford found that the vacuum pump was defective (don't know if the wet belt caused this) so they changed it under extended warrantee and hey presto all the power was back 70 mph and above no problem.

[@OBCBTTB]

Not the same car, but my son has a 2014 Kuga. Cannot believe the poor design of the thermostat housing. Cost him a new engine.

[@stuartd9741]

I would say initially different legislation in the UK allows the manufacturer to not issue a recall. .. The very fact a fault is "known and exists" Should be enough forFord to do the right thing and recall the cars... .. Ford cannot denie liability now that the US legal system has effectively confirmed theres is a fault.

[@iancadwallender9779]

Not just ford.Citroen ,peugeot vauxhall, ect all have vehicles with wet belts.

[@ThatMicro43Guy]

They also had big cooling problems with that engine causing total failure. My daughter had big issues with her focus 1.0 ecotec in 2018. She went through hell trying to get ford to get anything done but she found thousands of people with the same problem. Hers was a 2013 car.hers was a manual car.

[@christopherbrierley9860]

I had overheating issues with my Ford focus due to the degas pipe which Ford did recall and replace (mine unfortunately wasn’t done when I bought it). Car overheated within 3 weeks and there was no warning or no increase in temperature on the gauge either. Had bought the car from a non Ford dealership and it was still under warranty so they fixed it. Months later same issue. This time the engine was completely screwed. Went to the local Ford dealership and argued that they needed to sort it as the overheating as a known issue. They denied any reported problem but said they would talk to HQ. I was called back a few weeks later and was told that it was good news and that Ford HQ had agreed to replace the engine. I was happy but then they shoved a piece of paper in front of me and told me to sign it. (Read through it and basically it was an NDA type deal). Told them I wasn’t signing it but was basically sold if I didn’t sign it they weren’t replacing the engine. Had to relent as I couldn’t afford a new car or a replacement engine. Car has run fine since with no issues but I’m getting wary with this we belt issue that’s reared it’s head as again I can’t afford a new car and £1100 to replace the belt (probably more now) would be a struggle. Wouldn’t even consider a Ford now and the cars caused so many arguments between my wife and me it’s unbelievable

[@rumpoh8039]

50 YEARS AGO FORD USED GEAR DRIVEN CAM ON ESSEX V6 NEVER WENT WRONG

[@roycampbell5605]

O yes it did those gears were fibre and they used to break up .us clever sods used to replace them with metal gears. Also the oil pump driveshafts used to round off resulting in no oil pressure .the cologne engine was much better.😅😅

[@BigPaul62]

@@roycampbell5605The cologne also had the fibre timing gear and it failed just the same as the Essex ones.

[@roycampbell5605]

The cologne was a much better built engine it had rocker shafts ins tead of studs and was not built down to a price like the Essex.

[@ChorltonM21]

Oh yes it did go wrong. My first car was a Reliant Scimitar with a 3.00 Essex motor. The fibre timing gear stripped just past junction 19 on the Northbound M6. I had no money left to fix it so it sat on my parents drive for months until I could afford a scrap engine.

[@Pontelad]

my first car was mk1 focus, my 2nd was renault megan had a recall done easy and nice, my 3rd and current car is the mk2.5 ford focus (mk2 facelift) i heard storys on forums about people having hassle with recalls and warranty's, in the next 12 month once all finalized i am getting some inheritance i was considering getting a new car but i sure as hell will not be touching a ford even though i love my current car.