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L-34 Sampo: Aimo Lahti's Rejected Masterpiece

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Forgotten Weapons

Forgotten Weapons

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@Ethnarches
@Ethnarches 3 жыл бұрын
YT = Yksittäistuli or something like that (semiauto), literally "single fire". KT = Konetuli (full auto), literally "machine fire". V = Varmistettu (Safe), literally "safe". Edit: I got some better translations for "Varmistettu" from fellow Finns, a more accurate literal translation would be "is made sure". Check the comments for other suggestions if you are interested.
@foleymaj
@foleymaj 3 жыл бұрын
The literal translation of "varmistettu" would actually be "secured", but yes I concur on those translations.
@CrowManyClouds
@CrowManyClouds 3 жыл бұрын
A machine gun with a KZbin setting? Shows just how forward-thinking Lahti was!
@laurisikio
@laurisikio 3 жыл бұрын
Hyvin käännetty piti päätä raapia että ymmärsin ne lyhenteet
@Kumimono
@Kumimono 3 жыл бұрын
Mietin, kun KT'stä tuli ensin mieleen Kertatuli, että mikä se tuo YT on. Yhteistoimintatuli? Eli volley fire. :D
@h0ts0ur
@h0ts0ur 3 жыл бұрын
hyvä käännös
@user-mi3tq5qd4u
@user-mi3tq5qd4u 3 жыл бұрын
Basically Finnish weapons development : lahti , we need a new gun , Design one
@monyclair5357
@monyclair5357 3 жыл бұрын
Yes !
@janwacawik7432
@janwacawik7432 3 жыл бұрын
Finnish John Moses Browning, by all means.
@asteroidrules
@asteroidrules 3 жыл бұрын
Aimo Lahti was basically the entire Finnish gun industry in the interwar period. He made the KP31, the LS26, L35, L39, and even the variants of the Maxim and Mosin that Finland used at the time. Soviet intelligence even suspected him of developing assault rifle prototypes.
@peka2478
@peka2478 3 жыл бұрын
not that we'll buy it, but still, design one
@monyclair5357
@monyclair5357 3 жыл бұрын
@@asteroidrules This man is my favorite gun conceptor ever honestly ... And I'm french we have a lot of inventor in our history, never forget Ribeyrolles.
@EmperorHirohito-kv2uc
@EmperorHirohito-kv2uc 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like Ian is transforming from a francophile to a finnophile...
@emanuellandeholm5657
@emanuellandeholm5657 3 жыл бұрын
Does Ian have Finnish roots or something? As a Swede I obviously approve. Brödrafolket!
@theangriestbaguetteonthein4779
@theangriestbaguetteonthein4779 3 жыл бұрын
_Père quai lait!_
@Kikiapina
@Kikiapina 3 жыл бұрын
Suomi mainittu, torilla tavataan
@emanuellandeholm5657
@emanuellandeholm5657 3 жыл бұрын
@@Kikiapina Säkkijärven polkka!
@emanuellandeholm5657
@emanuellandeholm5657 3 жыл бұрын
@@theangriestbaguetteonthein4779 Dad drinks milk? My French is not 100%.
@Ultrafarer
@Ultrafarer 3 жыл бұрын
Magazine? Surely the Sampo produces endless ammo out of thin air?
@samsonsoturian6013
@samsonsoturian6013 3 жыл бұрын
And it produces not one but two assistant gunners to feed the bullets in.
@brittakriep2938
@brittakriep2938 3 жыл бұрын
Ian clearly said, the magazine and bipod are missing.
@Seb-Storm
@Seb-Storm 3 жыл бұрын
@@brittakriep2938 r/whoosh
@the_unapologetic_patriot
@the_unapologetic_patriot 3 жыл бұрын
@@brittakriep2938 hmmm..... someone seems to have not gotten the joke.....
@brittakriep2938
@brittakriep2938 3 жыл бұрын
@@the_unapologetic_patriot : As a person with Asperger disorder i have a problem to recognize what is serious and what is fun.
@toolthoughts
@toolthoughts 3 жыл бұрын
Nice to see that SAKO has opened up to researches like this.
@McKollu
@McKollu 3 жыл бұрын
Bro, if Gun Jesus comes to your door and demands access, you let him in, no matter who / what company you are 😂
@TheArklyte
@TheArklyte 3 жыл бұрын
Only to Ian and only for however long a century anniversary of the factory lasts.
@imadequate3376
@imadequate3376 3 жыл бұрын
Hopefully we see one next week of him at Valmet with a RK 95 TP. My coworker owns a SAKO Vixin, nice rifle, very fine quality
@jameshealy4594
@jameshealy4594 3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad they realise it benefits them also, by sharing knowledge we all gain. Speaking personally, their rifles are magnificent from what I've seen.
@HellbirdIV
@HellbirdIV 3 жыл бұрын
Fun Finnish Fact: The name "Sampo" comes from Finnish mythology, known in the modern day particularly from the Kalevala, as the name of a magical artifact forged by Ilmarinen, a hero/god/character in the mythology known as a master Blacksmith. What exactly the Sampo was is unclear, but in the Kalevala it is a mill that can produce gold from nothing - regardless of its nature, the Sampo was thought to give wealth, power and success to those who possessed it, and losing it was the greatest misfortune.
@stefanmolnapor910
@stefanmolnapor910 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing
@HellbirdIV
@HellbirdIV 3 жыл бұрын
@dimapez I remember it most vividly from a Donald Duck comic adaptation of the Kalevala, where obviously Scrooge McDuck mostly wanted to use it to make gold. It was my first exposure to the Kalevala stories.
@Segalmed
@Segalmed 3 жыл бұрын
@@HellbirdIV The Norse had a similar myth about the magical mill Grotti. According to one version It got dropped into the sea while on order to produce salt. That's why the sea is salty since the thing is still at work (in the Edda version it just gets smashed like in the Kalevala).
@NM-wd7kx
@NM-wd7kx 3 жыл бұрын
@@Segalmed I've heard a very similar story about 'the Devil's saltmill', I like myth's style
@TheZINGularity
@TheZINGularity 3 жыл бұрын
Also the inspiration for the One Ring
@Jesses001
@Jesses001 3 жыл бұрын
I hate seeing a good design that was never given a fair chance. This looks great. It is well built, relatively simple, and I bet looking at how the gas system and bolt that it was a silky smooth shooter even in 8mm Mauser.
@B52Stratofortress1
@B52Stratofortress1 3 жыл бұрын
Was a 7.62x53R
@kj3n569
@kj3n569 3 жыл бұрын
The two existing guns were manufactured in 7.92×57 (8mm) for export by Mauser. Ian put that in the description, as well as there were plans for being available in "several calibers".
@B52Stratofortress1
@B52Stratofortress1 3 жыл бұрын
@@kj3n569 that's what happens when I comment before finishing the video!
@RLRSwanson
@RLRSwanson 3 жыл бұрын
I think the other, more complete 7.92 L-34 is or at least was in the collection of the War Museum in Helsinki and as I remember Markku Palokangas also wrote, that gun should be on display front and center in perpetuity as a monument to the absolutely criminal incompetence, complacency, negligence and such of various bureacracies, parties, ministers etc. who were responsible for weapons procurement, defense spending, policies and whatnot prior to World War 2. By the way Ian, there was a complete with accessories Lahti L-41 machine gun donated to the then Pattern Room at Enfield in the 60s IIRC, so it should be somewhere in the Royal Armouries firearms collection or National Firearms centre or whatever it's called these days.
@DirtyMardi
@DirtyMardi 3 жыл бұрын
The old VKT rifle factory, where mr. Lahti’s guns were manufactured is now an office building with telesales people, a gym and some other businesses. At least there’s a luncheteria next to it, called Aimo, where many of his guns are enclosed in vitrines for people to see.
@brucerobert227
@brucerobert227 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting thing about this gun; if you look over the early portion of the video where they show the gun from all angles, you can distinctly see that all controls are made for gloved hands. Neat!
@Kesssuli
@Kesssuli 3 жыл бұрын
Well as history have told war can happen in middle of winter. Gloves are much better to have than trying to handle pieces of metal with bare hands when outside temperature can be - 30Degrees Celcius or worser.
@alexanderhowarth6460
@alexanderhowarth6460 3 жыл бұрын
They better be in Finland.. imagine all the armies in history that went into that sort of environment unprepared I'm talking about La grande armiée and the third Reich for example. How hellish it must've been for them trying to do a job like that in those conditions with their own equipment fighting them every step of the way. Just awful
@Kesssuli
@Kesssuli 3 жыл бұрын
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Im pretty sure that any gun designed in northen countries can be operated with gloves. But least in finland it was more like mandatory.
@VaterOrlaag
@VaterOrlaag 3 жыл бұрын
"A centimeter, that's something between 3/8 and half an inch" - Gotta love the imperial system.
@WangMingGe
@WangMingGe 3 жыл бұрын
It's just better for a lot of things. And no less rational than measures based on fractions of mistaken estimates of the circumference of the earth, which got replace by the equally rational (...) distance travelled by light in a vacuum in 1/299,792,458 of a second.
@juliusgreen9179
@juliusgreen9179 3 жыл бұрын
@@WangMingGe Copium
@markusbjorklund5920
@markusbjorklund5920 3 жыл бұрын
@@WangMingGe "In 1958, a conference of English-speaking nations agreed to unify their standards of length and mass, and define them in terms of metric measures. The American yard was shortened and the imperial yard was lengthened as a result. The new conversion factors were announced in 1959 in Federal Register Notice 59-5442 (June 30, 1959), which states the definition of a standard inch: The value for the inch, derived from the value of the Yard effective July 1, 1959, is exactly equivalent to 25.4 mm."
@brittakriep2938
@brittakriep2938 3 жыл бұрын
One Inch is in Germany mostly called , englisches Zoll' or only ,Zoll'. We once had ,Zoll' also. ( One ,prussian Zoll' was 26,2 mm). The ,english Zoll'/ inch is 25,4 mm, so 1 cm/ 10 mm is in decimal writing about 0,4 ( .4 ) inch. This Inch system is in our country unusual, with exeption of pipes. For most pipe diameters EN and ANSI is the same, but for example ,2,5 " is in ANSI 73 mm and in EN 76 mm. , which sometimes caused problems, when i , Brittas boyfriend, worked in a small pipeline company.
@hond654
@hond654 3 жыл бұрын
@@WangMingGe kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5WWmHSQYrmYabs how Australians do it properly
@edwardgarea7650
@edwardgarea7650 3 жыл бұрын
One of the best and most intelligent sites on You Tube. Ian talks to us as intelligent adults, not at us as children. I think I’ve mentioned before that my goddaughter is a flic (cop) in France. I introduced her to this site and it is now her favorite. An endorsement like that you can’t buy. Keep up the good work, Ian. You always educate me and never bore me, and I love when you take the weapon apart to explain how it works. I love your teaching style.
@RonOhio
@RonOhio 3 жыл бұрын
So the name translates as "The machine gun that keeps on giving"?
@petrimakela5978
@petrimakela5978 3 жыл бұрын
Bingo
@BenLoula
@BenLoula 3 жыл бұрын
Every day we get closer to Ian showcasing an AL-43 heavy submachine gun.
@laciihasz4734
@laciihasz4734 3 жыл бұрын
I think the heavy submachine title is already taken by the danuvia m43
@zackgeorgly5099
@zackgeorgly5099 3 жыл бұрын
Truly a "forgetten weapon" - never even knew this existed before seeing this.
@joo9619
@joo9619 3 жыл бұрын
Same as a finn
@cheutho
@cheutho 3 жыл бұрын
Congratulations on reaching the "welcome to the back room" stage of your career.
@wurfyy
@wurfyy 3 жыл бұрын
Oh, he's been there for a while.
@andersjjensen
@andersjjensen 3 жыл бұрын
Ian was actively invited by the GIGN to come have a look at their signature weapon... It came relatively shortly after his book on French military rifles, so I my theory is that it was decided in the upper echelons that Ian should be recognized for his work. But informally... because France :P TL;DR: Ian has been in back rooms no other civilian, let alone foreigners, has ever ventured.
@Hagop64
@Hagop64 3 жыл бұрын
I always kinda laugh at myself on how closely I pay attention to the disassembly of these firearms, as if there will be a time when I need to be able to quickly field strip an L-34. (Not that I'm going to stop of course, love seeing how they all work!)
@Angel9932
@Angel9932 3 жыл бұрын
The disassembly portion of his videos is generally my favorite part. Not that I ever see myself going into firearms design but it is neat to see how things fit together to perform their assigned task. Or at least make the attempt to perform their task.
@Enraged-Gecko
@Enraged-Gecko 3 жыл бұрын
Finish firearms have always been of particular interest to me. You have sporadic models pop up here and there that are more complicated than they need to be, but generally the Fins strike a balance between simplicity and quality that’s hard to argue with.
@BigboiiTone
@BigboiiTone 3 жыл бұрын
Same with me. I'm fascinated by the LS/26 and wish there was more info on it. Something about that chunky design and the great history of Suomi
@jansenart0
@jansenart0 3 жыл бұрын
He's speaking so quiet because he's afraid to wake it up.
@zinsanez
@zinsanez 3 жыл бұрын
He is visiting a holy place
@zacharyrollick6169
@zacharyrollick6169 3 жыл бұрын
4:20 So to sum it up, the gun is "The gift that keeps on giving".
@eamonwright7488
@eamonwright7488 3 жыл бұрын
That's a beautiful gun. Looks like it would be easy to operate every function with gloves on.
@grayhantzell1957
@grayhantzell1957 3 жыл бұрын
Finally, a weapon to clean my dandruff problem
@primalabe9190
@primalabe9190 3 жыл бұрын
I had to look at this comment like a solid minute while thinking "Did you just fucking..."
@grayhantzell1957
@grayhantzell1957 3 жыл бұрын
@@primalabe9190 y e s
@chadgeary2653
@chadgeary2653 3 жыл бұрын
I hate that it took me so damn long to get this...
@bananasoup297
@bananasoup297 3 жыл бұрын
I dont get it
@samsonsoturian6013
@samsonsoturian6013 3 жыл бұрын
Väinämöinen called, he wants the Sampo back!
@VonArmagedda
@VonArmagedda 3 жыл бұрын
"What's that? Oh, it's Louhi in a bird costume. Gimme that new Sampo we got from that Lahti-guy"
@curiousentertainment3008
@curiousentertainment3008 3 жыл бұрын
This looks like something the early Star Wars movies would’ve used.
@AshleyPomeroy
@AshleyPomeroy 3 жыл бұрын
The shoulder stock in particular has something of the MG34 about it.
@duceanahalf
@duceanahalf 3 жыл бұрын
I think thats just like the stock that the Mandalorions rifle uses
@boomah3707
@boomah3707 3 жыл бұрын
I think the the mando rifle is based on this
@colinmcdonald2499
@colinmcdonald2499 3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing.
@reaper_exd7498
@reaper_exd7498 3 жыл бұрын
I was literally thinking the same thing.
@philips.5563
@philips.5563 3 жыл бұрын
I'm quite taken with the finish on this gun. Quite lovely.
@MonkeyJedi99
@MonkeyJedi99 3 жыл бұрын
It's a Finnish finish. Okay, I'm partly Finnish, and completely finished now.
@Seve82
@Seve82 3 жыл бұрын
@@MonkeyJedi99 Yes officer we need to Finnish this one! :-D
@thokarev254
@thokarev254 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a great video Ian! I have managed to see these only in photographs. I feel that had the Sampo LMG been taken into production the DP would stil have seen significant use, after all it was a good gun too, and it was captured in significant numbers. We didn't exactly have an abundance of firearms in 7,62x54r, large % of firearms in use were in 8mm mauser, 6,5 swedish, 7,35 carcano and 8mm lebel.
@BerndFelsche
@BerndFelsche 3 жыл бұрын
I like the bolt locking more than that of the Bren.
@alfulton5946
@alfulton5946 3 жыл бұрын
This would be the ultimate gun for anyone's collection.
@AmorrSummerstorm
@AmorrSummerstorm 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty rare gun
@TheSpekkel1
@TheSpekkel1 3 жыл бұрын
Seeing that this example is owned by sako and the other one is in a museum, yes it would be, but it's a waste of time dreaming of that, these guns being so unobtanium.
@jackdundon2261
@jackdundon2261 3 жыл бұрын
Like little black boy said in that one movie "It could happen". All you have to do is become a billionaire and buy Sako and you got it.
@TheGearhead222
@TheGearhead222 3 жыл бұрын
That is a beautifully machined receiver! Definitely old school gun design!-John in Texas
@dzannis2
@dzannis2 3 жыл бұрын
All MST3k fans are saying to themselves when they see this, “BRING US THE SAMPO!!!!”
@Slim934
@Slim934 3 жыл бұрын
"Are you with the Bride or the Failure?"
@dzannis2
@dzannis2 3 жыл бұрын
@@Slim934 😂😂😂
@brainfat1
@brainfat1 3 жыл бұрын
She's washing her Cristo.
@KarlBunker
@KarlBunker 3 жыл бұрын
"If you think you know what a sampo is, write it down on a piece of paper, throw it away and try not to think about it. You'll be glad you did.” - Tom Servo
@dsobew
@dsobew 3 жыл бұрын
I was hoping I wasn't the only one to make that connection to mst3k
@pauldarling330
@pauldarling330 3 жыл бұрын
remarkably clever and simple design. really well done. Good job on the weight, too.
@briansmithwins
@briansmithwins 3 жыл бұрын
Who knew that the Finns were MST3k fans? KEEP CIRCULATING THE TAPES!
@TheInflicted
@TheInflicted 3 жыл бұрын
ONLY A SAMPO!!
@cosmicatrophy4648
@cosmicatrophy4648 3 жыл бұрын
I was searching the comments for this
@morteforte7033
@morteforte7033 3 жыл бұрын
Who knew it was a machine gun...I thought it was a little rubber novelty item😏
@tisFrancesfault
@tisFrancesfault 3 жыл бұрын
Not gonna lie, I first read it as shampoo, which naturally I thought it was an odd name to give it.
@samsonsoturian6013
@samsonsoturian6013 3 жыл бұрын
But really they named it after a magic mcguffin from an old Finnish myth.
@iododendron3416
@iododendron3416 3 жыл бұрын
L'Oréal Helsinki
@Njazmo
@Njazmo 3 жыл бұрын
Shampoo that gives a nice warm shower of bullets. ;D
@fieldkitchen
@fieldkitchen 3 жыл бұрын
Felt sorry for Ian struggling to explain Sampo . Finnish is spoken in Heaven because it takes an eternity to learn. He did fine.
@unluckycatfish6866
@unluckycatfish6866 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine going to heaven and having to go through the hell of learning finnish
@Matt-xc6sp
@Matt-xc6sp 3 жыл бұрын
Something about Finnish guns. That rugged Soviet simplicity with traditional Scandinavian craftsmanship.
@ruffe7655
@ruffe7655 3 жыл бұрын
@@harvia6123 pieni osa kuuluu scandinaviaan
@Matt-xc6sp
@Matt-xc6sp 3 жыл бұрын
@@harvia6123 It is on the Scandinavian Peninsula, but if we're being pedantic I technically only said its craftsmanship was of Scandinavian influence.
@CenlaSelfDefenseConcepts
@CenlaSelfDefenseConcepts 3 жыл бұрын
Shame, this thing looks like it would have been fantastic.
@eizol568
@eizol568 3 жыл бұрын
The way Ian pronounces “Kilos”, it sounds like he has distain for that word… damn imperialist 😏
@ostiariusalpha
@ostiariusalpha 3 жыл бұрын
Pounds and stone or GTFO.
@undertakernumberone1
@undertakernumberone1 3 жыл бұрын
@@ostiariusalpha Metric is superior, barbarian. And the imperial system by now is tied to the metric system.
@ostiariusalpha
@ostiariusalpha 3 жыл бұрын
@@undertakernumberone1 Both the metric and imperial units of length are now tied to the speed of light in a vacuum. Neither one is any longer the same as the original standard that they started with. Also, metric never sent any astronauts to the moon, blah blah blah... and so on. Murica!
@janwacawik7432
@janwacawik7432 3 жыл бұрын
@@ostiariusalpha NASA used metric for all their calculations that put men on the moon.
@undertakernumberone1
@undertakernumberone1 3 жыл бұрын
@@ostiariusalpha considering that von Braun and co. Were used to the metric system, meanwhile later on the NASA later had a million dollar blunder converting metric to imperial with a moon rover... Metric system is simpler, more precise and all around superior. And the "new" imperial system is standardtized and adjusted to the metric system... so i only see a yankee trying to deal with his own feelings of inadequacy here.
@cadeniguess6333
@cadeniguess6333 3 жыл бұрын
Ian should make a book about the guns of Finland
@xab-lo904
@xab-lo904 3 жыл бұрын
Arma Fennica series is extensive enough.
@alenidrizi2872
@alenidrizi2872 3 жыл бұрын
Mom can we get a l-34, Mom: we have a l34 at home L34 at home - LS 26
@AsbestosMuffins
@AsbestosMuffins 3 жыл бұрын
more like a bren gun
@das_gruuben
@das_gruuben 2 жыл бұрын
The stock assembly has the quintessential "Idiot Mark" on it. It looks like a 90 degree throw on the disassembly pin to pull the gun apart, but somebody has clearly moved it 180 degrees more than a few times.
@jtukko
@jtukko 3 жыл бұрын
The Medium Perkele Blaster, providing a great number of powerful "haista paska"`per minute while staying mobile as vittu.
@BaronVonHardcharger
@BaronVonHardcharger 3 жыл бұрын
Its actually pretty fun watching Ian struggle with the words for mythology when he is so well spoken in the realm of facts! Almost as if the historian in him rebels at making mystical connotations! The written explanation summed it up well though. :)
@borjesvensson8661
@borjesvensson8661 3 жыл бұрын
The finns themself always get a bit confused when trying to explain the sampo. A lot of a bit like but not really perhaps maybe.
@ALIGwedew62
@ALIGwedew62 3 жыл бұрын
Next on Forgotten Weapon Lahti more forgotten machine gun The HëD Kòndisoner
@aro2866
@aro2866 3 жыл бұрын
Headshots are effective against dandruff.
@d.unterreiner161
@d.unterreiner161 3 жыл бұрын
What would we do without Forgotten Weapons?
@bent4302
@bent4302 3 жыл бұрын
Forget weapons
@ilyashapovalenko6789
@ilyashapovalenko6789 3 жыл бұрын
And never recall them
@samuelchurchill6458
@samuelchurchill6458 3 жыл бұрын
@@bent4302 you’re not wrong……
@lennutrajektoor
@lennutrajektoor 3 жыл бұрын
A Finno-Ugric person here. Kalevala, the poem where Sampo is built, is a distinct Finno-Ugric poem and has roots to Sumerian Gilgamesh. The direct ancestry of Kalevala is from Nenets poems. They have nothing common with Greeks. The Finno-Ugric poems and world is by far deeper and richer than Indo-European langugae speakers are used to. In modern term Sampo is a bottomless ATM.
@MisterBones2910
@MisterBones2910 3 жыл бұрын
He meant to compare the symbolism, not suggest origin.
@ivo215
@ivo215 3 жыл бұрын
@6:15 Ian: "Small comical flash hider". Me: "wait, what? Damn it, ears! That's not what he said!".
@Jagdtyger2A
@Jagdtyger2A 2 күн бұрын
A very straight foreward design. just what I would expect from Lahti. It is a shame it never went into production
@kj3n569
@kj3n569 3 жыл бұрын
If George Lucas was aware of this gun, Stormtroopers would have used them to miss every target they fired at.
@gadi70
@gadi70 3 жыл бұрын
That design isn't quite optional for a standing soldier though.
@TheSuperZOS
@TheSuperZOS 3 жыл бұрын
So that's what the noita is looking for under that mountain. Yeah, that oughta fix the world.
@fiftyhunnug
@fiftyhunnug 3 жыл бұрын
I just read an article a few minutes ago about an archaeologist having discovered a 4,400 year old "Shaman's snake stick" in a Finnish lake.
@mattzegarski3831
@mattzegarski3831 3 жыл бұрын
Ian keeps whispering in these videos. I guess Sako really does have a "Gun Library."
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 3 жыл бұрын
It's a big room, and I was trying (successfully!) to avoid getting a lot of echo in the audio.
@rat3732
@rat3732 3 жыл бұрын
this gun looks like one of the blasters from the old battlefront...
@trumpjongun8831
@trumpjongun8831 3 жыл бұрын
This gun and lots of ammo would've been a big help in Winter war and Continuation war. Suomi KP-31 was good example of very efficient gun, but there wasn't enough of them, only 1 Suomi smg to 1 squad.
@jpenna1976
@jpenna1976 3 жыл бұрын
Also, Suomi KP had relatively short effective range and penetration ability it being 9mm. This wasn't a huge problem in many cases I suppose, since Finland is and was heavily forested region. More rifle caliber automatic weapons with reasonable weight would have surely been a nice addition.
@jpenna1976
@jpenna1976 3 жыл бұрын
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Yes, that is true. But, also need to keep in mind that most soldiers were not doing ski raids. There were phases of defensive and literal trench warfare. Especially during continuation war which lasted from June 1941 until September 1944.
@trumpjongun8831
@trumpjongun8831 2 жыл бұрын
@@jpenna1976 Only 9mm, but they used overloaded ammunition on Kp's. For example it was too hot round for a Mauser C96 pistols and could easely break them.
@jpenna1976
@jpenna1976 2 жыл бұрын
@@trumpjongun8831 Yes, it also broke Lahti pistols. Still, it doesn't increase effective distance significantly.
@lucianene7741
@lucianene7741 3 жыл бұрын
This is a BAR disguised as a BREN, or rather as a ZB-26. Nice design, all parts machined because there wasn't any production line to make them stamped.
@KMac329
@KMac329 2 ай бұрын
What a shame that this beauty wasn't more developed and put into production. As Ian, says, it's a masterpiece.
@mattolfson9230
@mattolfson9230 3 жыл бұрын
I recall an old episode of Mystery Science Theater 3000 where they were riffing a Finish movie where they kept referring to the Sampo, but never really explained what the heck it was. At the break, Joel & the Bots posted a question to the audience, "What is a Sampo?", and made a write-in letter contest out of it. I wish I knew this back then just so I could draw them a picture of a light machine gun in Craola with Tom or Crow each holding one. ... I know ... I'm weird.
@FINhenu
@FINhenu 3 жыл бұрын
Still waiting for a full video about the LS-26..
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 3 жыл бұрын
It's coming; I've already filmed it.
@FINhenu
@FINhenu 3 жыл бұрын
@@ForgottenWeapons Aimo lahti also did some improvements on russian maxims resulting in the finnish M/32-33. Video about those would also be awesome!
@jounipenttila9908
@jounipenttila9908 3 жыл бұрын
@@ForgottenWeapons Dear FW. Before doing that LS 26 film. Look what this russian museum has in it's collection in Siberia. The very rare LS 26-31 gun. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmPbqpWJo7R1qqc It is propable only one in the whole world!
@SirBoden
@SirBoden 3 жыл бұрын
History and how things work, my two favorite things. Thank you Ian.
@georgetreepwood1119
@georgetreepwood1119 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this presentation---- What a beautifully designed and machined gun
@ClassicMechanicc
@ClassicMechanicc 7 ай бұрын
As far as I know and understood (I´m born and raised in Finland) Sampo was an artifact that had a handcrank, and magically spat out fortunes which included wheat, gold and salt
@klavdy
@klavdy 3 жыл бұрын
Such prolific output, and of a high standard, informative and enjoyable. Some say they don't know how you do it, others know that all is possible for the one true Gun Jesus.
@sanuku535
@sanuku535 Жыл бұрын
Man that's a sexy gun. *Starts to drool with Koskenkorva induced snow*
@gregorypaulbox3035
@gregorypaulbox3035 3 жыл бұрын
Next Headstamp book idea... Domestic Finnish Military Firearms!
@ComradeBenedict
@ComradeBenedict 3 жыл бұрын
This is definitely one of those cases of beauty through simplicity
@rautavaara9194
@rautavaara9194 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, the Sampo: A mythological machine, that provides infinite wealth for its creator. Just like the L-34.
@TheScoundrel70
@TheScoundrel70 3 жыл бұрын
What an elegant, well thought out design. Impressively refined and finished (no pun intended) example considering this example is an early prototype.
@robinsage1964
@robinsage1964 3 жыл бұрын
Lahti were expert gunmakers and built some beautiful weapons and the machining was perfect.
@mikebennet7697
@mikebennet7697 2 жыл бұрын
Build quality is incredible on that.
@seanjacobs7021
@seanjacobs7021 5 ай бұрын
As a firm believer in my own ability to judge light (or really medium by the modern definition) machine guns, I'd be willing to bet this would have been an excellent gun in final production form.
@chriskey6249
@chriskey6249 2 жыл бұрын
This is the most ruggedly beautiful gun I've seen in a while
@andrewnawarycz3026
@andrewnawarycz3026 3 жыл бұрын
SAKO made/make some of the most accurate bolt action rifles I've fired in my time 👍. Excellent 👌 engineering throughout, for whichever firearms SAKO produced 👍👍👍👍👍
@clothar23
@clothar23 3 жыл бұрын
Are SAKO guns good ...Sure but plenty of other companies produce firearms every bit their equal..at far less of an inflated price.
@chuckcochran8599
@chuckcochran8599 Жыл бұрын
That's really a well thought out, elegant, yet fairly simple design Lahti came up with. It's too bad it wasn't put into production. You're right about the what ifs, had Finland adopted it early on. It might not have changed the outcome of either the Winter or Continuation Wars, as their resources were far more limited in comparison to both of the opposing forces, but it would certainly have made it more costly for the Germans and Soviets to win. I've much admiration for the Finns. They are among the most hardy and resourceful people in history.
@wendigo1619
@wendigo1619 3 жыл бұрын
Sci-Fi as hell looking. perfect Star Wars prop
@maslegnac1920
@maslegnac1920 3 жыл бұрын
Nice, good old quality, but I like ZB 26 more.... Shame they dont make those milled machineguns anymore :)
@hendriktonisson2915
@hendriktonisson2915 3 жыл бұрын
Light machine guns form the 1920s and 1930s are some of the most interesting things among all firearms.
@Pelleministeri
@Pelleministeri 3 жыл бұрын
SAKO 100 years! Proud Finn here.
@Ni999
@Ni999 3 жыл бұрын
Very clever bolt design.
@lohikarhu734
@lohikarhu734 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool, an "elegant" design, seemingly a "better Bren" if it had made it into productionamazingly low larts count, and quite a cool bolt mechanism. Thanks, kiitos paljon!
@keithallardice6139
@keithallardice6139 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating Finnish firearm from friendly francophile ..... Gun Jesus! ;-) Sorry, in a bit of an alliterative mood today
@Dafuro
@Dafuro 3 жыл бұрын
Would love to see a Noita wield this to obtain the actual Sampo
@jukkatalari3896
@jukkatalari3896 3 жыл бұрын
Sampo-konekivääri L-41 (belt-fed developement of L-34) fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampo-konekiv%C3%A4%C3%A4ri unfortunately no English wiki page about it, only Finnish and Russian
@audiefarmer4118
@audiefarmer4118 3 жыл бұрын
Hope this bloke has got kids. That's good dad material.
@henrikvahtila
@henrikvahtila 3 жыл бұрын
I hope you enjoyed your visit here in my home town Riihimäki!
@ForgottenWeapons
@ForgottenWeapons 3 жыл бұрын
I did!
@jeffprice6421
@jeffprice6421 3 жыл бұрын
Ever since reading th Executioner books as a kid, I have wanted a Sako rifle. Legendary. Thanks for viditing there. Hopefully more of their collection coming ???
@billynomates920
@billynomates920 3 жыл бұрын
beautifully made - no arguing that
@obidonekenobi3568
@obidonekenobi3568 3 жыл бұрын
I got your letter when you where In Finland thanks for the autocraph.
@igiveup12
@igiveup12 3 жыл бұрын
Another Finnish gun? I love it!
@tyhoj_sad_potato1773
@tyhoj_sad_potato1773 3 жыл бұрын
this is the only channel that respects Finland
@jkf9765
@jkf9765 3 жыл бұрын
I think In-Range also counts… though Karl and Ian crossover so much it might as well count as one.
@KennyT187
@KennyT187 3 жыл бұрын
Check out Combat Arms Channel and his reviews of FDF videos
@TactaGhoul
@TactaGhoul 3 жыл бұрын
I once thought that no LMG could ever be more beautiful than an MG42 or a Lewis, guess I was wrong
@spoomftheimmortal4960
@spoomftheimmortal4960 3 жыл бұрын
The gift that keeps on giving
@Afrohare
@Afrohare 3 жыл бұрын
Two more of these unknown Finnish gems, and I'll have a bingo!
@gabrielsantosbastos5257
@gabrielsantosbastos5257 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like an LAD lmg combined with the FN MAG,so beautiful
@JohnDoe-be5zx
@JohnDoe-be5zx 3 жыл бұрын
Ian single handedly converted me from a Russophile, to a Suomiphile. Finland does it better.
@thescatologistcopromancer3936
@thescatologistcopromancer3936 2 жыл бұрын
I've been getting lots of Finnish video suggestions since I've been watching your Finn episodes haha
@mattsgrungy
@mattsgrungy 3 жыл бұрын
Having watched Ian get quite good at speaking French I am very enthusiastic to see him attempt Finnish!
@zackgeorgly5099
@zackgeorgly5099 3 жыл бұрын
Not until he can master the difference with a/ä and o/ö. It's not even that difficult, though. He's visiting Riihimäki, but he pronounces it like Riihimaki, disregarding the umlaut. It's, really simple, ä is the a in "can", or "mad", always. A is like the a in "Car" or "large".
@mattsgrungy
@mattsgrungy 3 жыл бұрын
@@zackgeorgly5099 I think this is a common mistake for English speakers in Finland. We're not used to accents like that and often the best guess we have is to just pronounce it as if there are no accents because we don't know what they mean. I imagine Ian gave it his best shot but needs a bit more practice with Finnish.
@zackgeorgly5099
@zackgeorgly5099 3 жыл бұрын
@@mattsgrungy True, the funny thing though is that even the English language would benefit from those accents, as per my examples (of course it won't ever have them, but anyway...)
@mattsgrungy
@mattsgrungy 3 жыл бұрын
@@zackgeorgly5099 I mean, the English language could benefit from a lot of things, accents are just one of them.
@messer_sorgivo
@messer_sorgivo 3 жыл бұрын
There is an Uncle Scrooge story, written by Don Rosa which talks about the Sampo
@mfree80286
@mfree80286 3 жыл бұрын
Sampo: The gun of plenty.
@andusangorson7062
@andusangorson7062 28 күн бұрын
Sampo must mean "The Gift that Keeps on Giving"
@puppetguy8726
@puppetguy8726 3 жыл бұрын
Really hope you can find an L-41 to look at and show us! 😀
@docmoreau7540
@docmoreau7540 3 жыл бұрын
Really ingenious design - both simple and (by the look of it) reliable.
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