Bergmann No.5 / 1897

[@Hawk1966]

Fireplace Collector must have a vault the size of a small house. His collection seems endless and unique.

[@drmaudio]

The full stocked carbine is really quite an attractive gun.

[@gordonormiston3233]

Ian I have to ask, do you know if the owner of this magnificent collection has ever fired the beautiful sporterised carbine?

[@Brawler_1337]

@@gordonormiston3233 Highly unlikely. According to Ian in another thread, the loading data is hard enough to find, let alone actual cartridges.

[@AlexKeyes299]

Quite a blast in vr as well 😁

[@Darmoth85]

That carbine is really fricking adorable... I'd love to see a repo that accepted modern cartridges.

[@paulwhite959]

Jay Dee in 10mm!

[@ScottKenny1978]

Heck, even in 7.62 Tokarev.

[@ryanwitman8672]

I could not agree more. It would be ridiculously cool in 7.63 mauser or 7.62 tokarev

[@smaqdaddy]

I agree, love the carbine! Would be cool to own a replica even!

[@AviationJeremy]

If someone made a reproduction, I’d want an integrally suppressed version. It’s already an SBR so....

[@ZGryphon]

I love how cheerfully optimistic late-19th/early-20th-century adjustable rear sights are. Nine hundred meters, forsooth. :)

[@JACKSONLEWISOFCANADA]

Well technically a 22lr can be lethal for over a mile. So you might be able to get something in that general direction…..

[@LethalByChoice]

@@JACKSONLEWISOFCANADA Incorrect. Even a 9mm loses most of its energy past 500 meters.

[@zdgfagdfgdfssdgfdsfd]

It was for volley fire, not sharpshooting.

[@ZGryphon]

@@LethalByChoice "Can" is not the same thing as "probably will". There are always edge cases. Sure, you'd have to be catastrophically unlucky to be killed by either cartridge at that distance, but in matters like this, never assume you are not catastrophically unlucky.

[@ZGryphon]

@@zdgfagdfgdfssdgfdsfd Volley fire with handguns?

[@matthayward7889]

That sporter style carbine is just gorgeous!

[@abeherbert6603]

Whoever owns this collection must really love their Bergmanns to even have a one-off custom pistol presented by the owner of the company himself. Seems like the kind of thing that would stay in the recipient's family for generations.

[@warshipsatin8764]

whats really amazing is that this isnt the only rare/one of a kind firearm ian has presented in front of the fireplace. if they all belong to the same person then he has easily one of the most impressive collections of all time

[@PropagandalfderWeiße]

@@warshipsatin8764 Well, If I won the lottery, I wouldn't tell, but there would be signs

[@thegoldencaulk2742]

That Bergmann sporter is a work of art. The stock alone is fantastic!

[@MrFreddyFartface]

I don't know why but I really like when the hand guard runs up all the way to the muzzle

[@johnjuiceshipper4963]

It still amazes me that those pistols are 120 years old. They look like they were made just a decade ago.

[@alexdoescrazystuff]

Pretty unique is also that the magazine seems to be a double feeding magazine, as well as being a double stack, pretty advanced for an era where nearly everything with a detachable magazine was a single stack. Too bad the Bergmann series of pistols are so rare, considering how advanced for the time and beautiful they are.

[@AussieFanXCIV]

Wow that carbine is gorgeous. I always thought the Luger and C96 carbines were pretty slick, but compared to that Bergman they look about as elegant as a Cobray Streetsweeper.

[@joshsamuelson1793]

AussieFanXCIV it is an amazing piece. Had I limitless income I would have one.

[@AussieFanXCIV]

You and me both.

[@joshsamuelson1793]

I would 100% do reproduction Bergman guns but in a modern caliber like .380 or 9mm for the larger examples. That carbine is dead sexy though with that wood stock.

[@vaclav_fejt]

That *exact* word came into my mind. Simply gorgeous.

[@keenanmcbreen7073]

That carbine is one of the most attractive guns i have ever seen, would rock the shit outta one.

[@troy9477]

Very nice. That full stocked carbine is sublime. The detail in the stock, and some of the shaping they had to do, is incredible. It was probably pretty useful for small game, target shooting, and even self defense. The ballistics would be comparable to the 327 Federal Mag, even more so if the carbine gave 100 fps or so more than the pistol. The collector who has all these really has an amazibg collection, and is to be commended for preserving them. Great video as always. Thank you

[@benm5913]

That sporter carbine is beautiful.

[@paulwhite959]

that carbine may be one of the prettiest guns I've seen on this channel,.

[@bobbylee2853]

The pocket on the holster was for the spare magazine. Extra big to allow a finger and thumb to pull it out.

[@krmould]

Another great video, thanks again to the collector who shared their collection.

[@daktari]

Breveté SGDG means it's a French-market gun. Means "Sans Garantie Du Gouvernement". It was used from 1844 to 1968 and roughly translates as the fact that while the government gave a patent to the inventor, they're not liable if the patented product doesn't work like advertised.

[@vandabo]

Oh man, I want that sporter carbine. That thing is so slick, looks like it would be really pleasant to shoot.

[@mdocevski]

Quite an optimistic range markings on the pistol.

[@tranq45]

Marko Docevski : A common level of optimism on firearms of the era. I suppose you could volley-fire at that range...

[@mdocevski]

Yes that became clear to me after watching FW for a while now :). On long arms I get it, they had predominantly been used in volley fire it's just that they got "more range" over time. Pistols I don't think were ever used in volley situations (not that I'd know if they were in some specific instance).

[@tranq45]

Marko Docevski : oh, I doubt they were ever actually used that way. Mostly just a 'brag' by the maker.

[@rafaelalodio5116]

Yeah, hard to imagine someone sniping at a kilometer away with a pistol.

[@SNOUPS4]

Great video, once again! And I love how you almost never forget to also give us, metric folks, the technical numbers in a unit we can comprehend; that's really kind of you and much appreciated :)

[@PHOTOGRASPER]

I always want him to say 7 and 5/8mm. 😜

[@GinSoakedBoy]

Those pistol frame carbines are very, very cool looking, I must say. Great series this, Ian.

[@hazcat640]

That carbine is absolutely gorgeous!

[@michaelashton8754]

Wow imagine having one of those engraved carbines :o That'd be such an awesome gun to have in a collection..

[@johnhmstr]

Really enjoying this detailed crawl through the evolution of bergmann pistols. hope to see more series like this.

[@ThePortableHam]

i just wanted to say that I've enjoyed the Bergmann series of videos I just think it's really cool that you we're able to get ahold of so many different types thanks for your videos

[@brianmiller9365]

WOW. These Bergmanns are really growing on me. Been following the series and have a new appreciation for them. Thanks Ian. *BGM.41

[@keithallardice6139]

Finally, the Holy Grail of cool-looking pistols (and videos thereof) has arrived .. the No5 is my absolute all-time favourite - imagine if someone were to make these again but able to accept modern cartridges ... I'd be all over that ;-)

[@tacticalmanatee]

That full-stocked carbine may be the most beautiful example of a pistol/carbine I've ever seen. Could you post some pictures of the full-stocked carbine on your website? I only see the pistol-stocked carbine on there.

[@JerresYouTubular]

The gas relief hole was most probably designed to also be a witness hole for a loaded cartridge.

[@gheroba]

I would love to have one these No.5 and the carbine. These are gorgeous!

[@nomad8723]

That carbine is so elegant and aristocratic, but the mechanics and use are so modern. It is essentially a rich man's truck gun from 1897. Truly an artifact that speaks to the history and people of the period. Most transitional technologies appear awkward and crude, but I find the Bergmanns to lack the rough utilitarianism of so many early adoptions of new technology (e.g. the Mondragon, cool though it may be.)

[@leeroycrankens4197]

your camera work showing the function of the gun is the best I have seen on youtube.

[@Polorigolo35]

Besides from preventing unintentional dismount of the stock, the screw also provides tension in the link, preventing it to move if the connection is loose

[@ringowunderlich2241]

Sidenote: The carbine with this kind of wooden stock is called Stutzen (pronounced: Shtoodsen) in german. The distinctive feature is the wooden stock reaching forward to the muzzle. Those were/are mostly used in southern Germany, Austria, Swiss and southern Tyrol (Italy) In general in the Alps.

[@Xerxes1688]

The relief hole in the barrel could also dabble as a loaded chamber indicator. It's big enough to see the brass.

[@453421abcdefg12345]

Many thanks for yet another well researched video, I have found this series really interesting and the information you have given does not appear to be available from any other source thanks for posting, much appreciated!

[@coreymerrill3257]

i definitely liked the fact you had an opportunity to show some examples of ammunition. great job as always.

[@d.f.9140]

Pretty cool collection of guns. Everytime I see this style of video, I get a little shiver. Imagine Bergmann decided after making the 7.8 mm cartridge, long barreled pistol into a sporter carbine "Stutzen", let's make it a cheap semi auto carbine, same cartridge for military trials! WW1 with germany fully equipped with semi auto Bergmann carbines and Schmeisser Mp for trench clearing. Holy crap!

[@ScottKenny1978]

Yeah, that would have been scary!

[@AxeGaijin]

I was disappointed that there was no bonus content after the bonus content...

[@xpaganda]

We're spoiled

[@mikeyoung490]

Absolutely beautiful guns and design!!!

[@TheDandyMann]

The carbine in the wood stock is beautiful. I wouldnt mind owning one myself.

[@adambroussard5146]

Ah, yes, the 1km pistol battle...

[@corinhings177]

thanks Ian great video my pick would be the wood sportier what a beautiful piece

[@drumminggoose444]

1000m with those sights and a pistol cartridge isn’t optimistic, it’s lunacy

[@joshsamuelson1793]

Maybe that side pockets was for a cleaning kit. That would be something military contracts might look for.

[@slicknick332]

Josh Samuelson I was thinking the same thing

[@fnrd3858]

Wow that carbine is really cool!

[@kasper7574]

I love the wood and shortened variant

[@MrPh30]

That carbine in the rear there looks so fine to use.

[@korblborp]

Pistolwise, I think I prefer the look of the 1-3 with the clips rather than magazines, but that wood stock carbine is pretty slick.

[@drewfullhart1750]

I can't watch a video of his anymore without thinking of how it would do in a mud test

[@alexiswinterborn6873]

awesome woodwork on the carbine!

[@tomalexander4327]

Incredible collection

[@gregmerryman802]

These firearms are rabbit hole interesting! Thanks for the vid.

[@charlesangell_bulmtl]

A finely crafted pistol...polished jewel

[@bokvarv1926]

the poch on the stock I can imagine being used to hold oil and rags and maube even some "empty" clips, basic tools for disessemby or things like that.......but probably a cleaning kit with oil and stuff

[@jgedutis]

If battlefield 1 doesn't have the Bergmann rifle it should.

[@Darmoth85]

Wish it did... I'd love for the assault class to have a carbine rather than be stuck with SMGs and shotguns. Right now assault pretty much has the highest burst and DPS weapons, in addition to the best anti-armor capability gadgets.

[@YoChocolate]

The pilot/tanker should get it.

[@SGCXD]

Love the garand thumb ending. “I have nothing else for you… ok final thing…”

[@jgedutis]

It's a Bergmann bonanza lately

[@M0torsagmannen]

that carbine is a really beautiful gun. i wonder how much one of those would get at an auction

[@CAMSLAYER13]

Depends how desirable a Bergman is but its in a proprietary cartridge so its not good for much more than collecting.

[@kevinschultz6091]

Regarding the pocket on the holster - I'm guessing it was there so, when you were wearing the holser on your hip, you also had a pocket that you could use for regular stuff. (Assuming the holster would cover your regular pocket, or otherwise make it difficult to access.)

[@hotrunny]

thanks Ian! you rock!!

[@Dreska_]

My guess would be that pouch is for a lanyard

[@ForgottenWeapons]

That could make sense...

[@Boomeus]

I want to believe it's there for your monocle or pocket watch, but, since the magazines are serialized, it might just be for extra loose cartridges, yeah?

[@Dick_Gozinya]

A compass, maybe? ".....with a compass in the stock, and this thing which tells time!" "You'll shoot your eye out, kid."

[@gabriellindig]

I thinking maybe cleaning patches for the cleaning rod

[@Dreska_]

I'm less sure now... Some Bergmann models have a loop at the base of the grip for a lanyard but I can't find any pictures of a No.5 with the loop. Unless it goes through the stock lug hole or somewhere else entirely

[@nohero23]

That Karabiner is one nice firearm...

[@DravenLostSoul]

Thank you Gun Jesus. Also can you make a video of you just posing with rifles, pistols, and other arms while wearing your array of hats.

[@jgedutis]

You're in the wrong house, fool I can't agree more. The video of the Pedersen device is one of my favorites.

[@johnhmstr]

He has done this a little if you sample the videos over at the full30 channel he and karl run called inrange. www.full30.com/channels/inrange. For instance the WWI hand weapon episode. www.full30.com/video/ace5417ce327d3e4b27cc6c29607995b

[@gannaluxury2039]

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[@cameronrobinson8455]

The Bergmann 1897 by far my favorite Bergmann so awesome!

[@BartBe]

14:08 looks like the slidestop is seared in the top of the cutout.

[@gavinp5940]

Imagine a hk p7 style slide. Keep the frame built mag well. Double action/single action with modern recoil operation. Plow handle grip with a wide hammer spur and a decocker safety. Chamber it for 30 super carry, 9mm, 45acp, 50ae, and 5.7

[@1SaG]

Those witness-holes in the frame practically scream "InrangeTV mud-test!!".. ;)

[@WCGwkf]

That little carbine is badass

[@VegasCyclingFreak]

Now these Bergmann pistols in this point in history are getting kinda cool. Seems like a potential negative about that side tilting bolt is that over time that spring could get weak and then the bolt wouldn't fully engage... but OTOH it looks like it would be pretty simple to replace that spring (at the time).

[@graemematheison8877]

anyone else watch forgotten weapons in the morning before school or work?

[@DoomVik]

I hope you aren't white because... shit ain't pretty

[@robertcalifornia9641]

I watch it all the time tbh (watched in the morning while waiting for school to start and I’m watching it now at midnight before I start my AP stat HW)

[@Zajuts149]

Is it just me who want to see Ian and Karl do a spoof version of Lou Bega's "Mambo No. 5" called "Bergmann No. 5"?

[@same242]

>we have a big hole in the side of the frame >the first few guns didn't have these >but then they realized it was important and added it back in

[@DanielWW2]

That is one seriously good looking carbine and not just because of the engraving.

[@ALegitimateYoutuber]

Hey Ian that weird punch maybe it was for cleaning kit and few minor spare part. Which would make sense for such a pouch, but then again maybe it's to small for stuff that that time.

[@cruzerlououtdoors1940]

That wood stocked carbine is beautiful ! I wish someone made one like that in a modern cartridge, maybe like .30 carbine,

[@TheLoxxxton]

as a UK gunless wannabe I am finding the Bergman series of videos really interesting thank you ian

[@SuperFunkmachine]

As ammo is so hard to come by and bergmans are so old there probably classed as antiques and by pass most of out gun laws.

[@russell6341]

Patrick Wayne carried one of those that his brother brought home with him in the movie Big Jake

[@sheadjohn]

the carbine looks awesome.

[@pens8766]

I can hardly believe how complex and precision made these guns are.

[@MrPh30]

The carbine has the shotgun style trigger guard , it was and is used on very high end weapons.

[@magamexican6302]

Bergmann had some cool ideas, it just wasn't all there. It reminds me of the Sega Dreamcast.

[@theodoreroosevelt3143]

i really want to see this carabine one shooting :c i'm sure there is not many and anyone wants to shoot with this, is ammo stil available?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

It's completely unavailable, unfortunately. Hard to even find data on it, much less actual cartridges.

[@FrostyShock349]

Forgotten Weapons would it be a good idea to reverse engineer the bullets for data? I'm sure that this day and age we have gun powder that burns at a lower rate.

[@EricMadWolf]

I always loved the style of the Bergmann pistols as well as the "broom handle" Mauser with the forward mounted magazine. I just love the "steam punk" look. That being said, I don't think I would own one to shoot with.

[@lordDenis16]

That carbine could have such potential in trench warfare of ww1 if only used tad larger cartridge... I mean it's a hell lot shorter than a rifle of the time, and semi-auto.

[@ScottKenny1978]

7.62 Tokarev SMGs like the PPSh-41 say hi. That carbine would have been a pretty serious game changer in WW1, even without being selective fire.

[@truth-ip1qj]

The same gun was involved in Rodda arms heist of August 26, 1914, described as the “greatest daylight robbery” then, involved stealing a cache of arms on a bullock cart right under the nose of the British administration without a shot being fired. The haul was a large consignment of guns and cartridges brought to Calcutta by R.B. Rodda & Co, a prominent gun dealer that had a godown at Dalhousie Square. Four rebellions ware arrested and executed for heist and killing more then100 British army men.

[@bobdrenan4402]

1000m sight, thats pretty optimistic

[@LoneWolf051]

I believe the pocket on the stock was for a cleaning kit

[@The_New_IKB]

where magazines with more than 10 rounds produced, also would the mechanics fair well to being adapted for select fire for sub gun use. I could see a submachine gun version of one of the carbines being real handy for clearing trenches and such.

[@ScottKenny1978]

Even if it was semi auto only, it would still be a good trench clearer.

[@ZogThePrimitive]

I vote that the weird pocket is for an oil bottle and maybe a brush to go with the cleaning rod,

[@Mr_Boss_Smile]

thats so fucking cool a belt holster that doubles as a stock.

[@JenniferinIllinois]

That carbine is gorgeous. -Jen

[@shugo541]

i'm pausing this. then heading to the shops for snacks before i watch it. Also Ian, thought of getting a shotgun mic? It wouldn't be much more hassle if not at all in comparrison to your clip on lapel mic but would sound much better.

[@johnburn7000]

wow look at all those Bergmans

[@quickattackfilms7923]

Bergmann guns look so cool. Wish it worked out for them more.

[@michaelking8483]

at 18:09 is that a crack or was one of the makers saw-happy

[@the3odo1721]

I'm curious to know if the odd shape of the safety selector acted as a way to place the pistols on fire when loading the first round. If so that seams a fairly ingenious way of eliminating a step in reacting to a threat from a loaded magazine empty chamber state.

[@ralphie169]

if you put a sniper rifle scope on that pistol, you have your self a star wars blaster, lol

[@alexmoore1506]

Ralph Khampane I think you're thinking of the C96

[@ScottKenny1978]

I think a prop maker agrees with you, The Mandalorian is carrying one.

[@beardo52]

I owned one of the 1910/21 Bergman Pistols in 9mm long, it was a pleasure to fire, and was a good clean design aside from the somewhat moody extractor, it would have been perfect if it used the C-96 design of extractor.

[@GreenDayFanMT]

So cool. You make great videos. But I just remembered the 80' Batman movie and Jokers Revolver with a 2 meter long barrel and the Bergmann Nr.5 with the extra long one just looked so goofy .