The UC-9: Like a Sneaky, Extra-Boxy Uzi

[@Mongo63a]

I owned one of the original 8 guns, in fact it was the brown one that was shown in picture. The original 8 guns were each painted a different color with the blue one being used in Robo Cop2. There are quite a few differences between the later completed guns and the first 8. Tim Bixler did the first 8 guns and they were amazing. The cocking handles were ratchet like the real FA Uzi top covers. The carry handle was mounted using a copy of the AR18 rail, thus allowing you to put an AR18 scope mount on it. The pop off dust cover was a stamped cover not the machined abomination of that gun. There is a video on the complete assembly of the first guns that came with the gun when you bought one. I still have a copy of that video around here on VHS, guess it needs to be scanned over at some point.

[@bhess1212]

Awesome!

[@esplanade92]

you ever get the assembly VHS confused with the folded up gun.

[@FR4M3Sharma]

@@esplanade92 Asking the real question.

[@iJacker]

Pleaaaaase scan that and post it to YT!

[@davidgoodnow269]

That would be cool!

[@kopperhed4472]

"Why would you want part of your gun to fall to the floor?" "It's about sending a message."

[@jackgates6949]

It most definitely serves a purpose here. When the gun is snapped open, that dust cover goes flying AWAY from the shooter and if it lands on any hard surface, it makes a loud clanking sound. The idea is that MAY distract the threat, buying an extra fraction of a moment enabling the operator to fully deploy and lock onto the target. The initial design actually employed a tether to keep it hanging there but that was discarded in favor after further evaluation.

[@thejay8963]

​@@jackgates6949 Huh... That makes no fucking sense.

[@CharlieBarkinTheDog]

​@@jackgates6949hope youre joking. If not the simple fact you claim that a firearm is equipped with a dust cover for the purpose of it distracting someone, is enough to invalidate the claim. As if the purpose of a dust cover is for anything other than covering from dust.

[@jackgates6949]

@@CharlieBarkinTheDog In the original redesign by Marty Pearl, the dust cover had a small hole with a ring. A wire was run through it and attached to the inside of the recoil rail. The idea was of course to keep the part from being lost etc. via this tether. But after some testing it was decided to just let the dust cover fly off. The reason given was that the flying part clanking somewhere far away from the gun could serve as a distraction. Whether this was said just to explain away a design problem, I don't know. But that was the official line from the redesign team and the owner of M6. You're free to research the literature yourself. I can say that when I pop mine open, the cover does go flying and it can be very noisy. Also, the guns were shipped with several extra dust covers with the idea being they were prone to being lost. I milled a slot in one of mine and added a USB port.

[@CB0Otz]

I'm surprised nobody's commented on how badass it would've been to have seen somebody pull "The Holy Bible" out of a bookshelf and having it turn into an Uzi in an action movie.

[@Kremit_the_Forg]

Has to be a Tarantino film

[@Immopimmo]

And how fitting it is that the bible of Gun Jesus, is a gun.

[@richardhockey8442]

sounds like a good prop for the zombie killing karate expert Priest in 'Brain Dead', one of Peter Jackson's very early film - 'I kick ass for The Lord'

[@wolfsbane-rw7um]

Salvation lies within :)

[@loosecannon8340]

For when the scene becomes biblical.

[@extragoogleaccount6061]

"Making guns is actually a lot harder than most people think" That is a great summary for all of the companies that made truly forgotten weapons for this show.

[@zacharyrollick6169]

It's fascinating. Making guns is simultaneously harder and easier than people think.

[@justiron2999]

Exactly, like sure you can make a pipe shotgun but who wants to use that but you can also make a $4k rifles and who wants to use that? There have been plenty of good and bad designs but they just couldn't hit that sweet spot.

[@95TeggyRS]

@@justiron2999 boss if you think a 4,000 is too expensive, ill remind you that sig sells a prototype for 8 grand and the korth line of pistols go up to 12 grand. making a good gun for sub 2000 is a hard task in today's market. you either pay 600 for a reliable gun or you pay 800 for an accurate one. you'll pay for what you want

[@herbertgearing1702]

Even for the people who understand the difficulty involved in firearms manufacturing, making profits from ideas is actually a lot harder than most people think.

[@justiron2999]

@Draco Season Hell yeah I think that 4k is too much, is it giving me a foot rub and doing my taxes? I get that with accessories can make it more expensive but there's a point where it gets to be too much.

[@sleepy8763]

"It's a registered machine gun and not just a box" _My satisfaction is imesurable and my day is saved_

[@letsburn00]

*Flips the table* It turns out, the table is also a registered machine gun.

[@Ohem1]

And so the snake wept

[@GashimahironChl]

@@letsburn00 .22 firing lathe, almost got registered as an actual firearm, but the owner was talked out of it because "what would the legal complications be if you actually wanted to machine something with a registered firearm?" 🤣

[@letsburn00]

@@GashimahironChl Sounds like someone needs to build a lathe-gatling machine gun in a future apocalyptic film. Just don't wear long sleeves remember, someone could get hurt.

[@protogenxl]

According to the ATF if you draw a certain shape on a metal box it becomes a machine gun, even if the box stays just a box

[@josephramey21]

Getting a gun to fold is pretty cool, but having it balance perfectly in the center like that makes it a mechanical marvel.

[@VulpeRenard]

I've put this, the Ares, and the Magpul version in basically every flash game I ever worked on and I never really knew anything about them. Glad there's finally a video on one.

[@extragoogleaccount6061]

Links??

[@VulpeRenard]

@@extragoogleaccount6061 I wish I finished any of the personal flash games I started. I stopped working on them after it was clear Flash was on the downfall, but maybe sometime in the next 30 years, they'll be remade in Unity and on Steam for pocket change. Might be a preview image on my old NG account if I even remember the login.

[@GuardianOfTheHeaven]

Dang, I would definitely play the game if given the chances. It's really sad that flash games are "dead" now. I have a surge of nostalgia now.

[@rudysmith1445]

@@VulpeRenard I still have Shockwave Flash, I love Flash games, they were my childhood!

[@VulpeRenard]

​@@rudysmith1445 You might have played some I made professionally. From 2006 to 2015, I made a lot of flash games for online websites like Goldfish, M&Ms, Skittles, Reeses Puffs, Shrek stuff, etc. Basically everything unhealthy but still marketed towards children.

[@Kam0v]

Y'know, this thing is probably about the right size and shape that it could be camouflaged as a first aid kit, for maximum irony.

[@handledhandlehandlinghandler]

Worst Aid Kit?

[@ShadowGamer300]

@@handledhandlehandlinghandler the best way to heal a gunshot wound is to prevent them...the irony is that you are just making more on the guy you DONT intend to patch up.

[@NareshSinghOctagon]

First Harm Kit.

[@JoeSyxpack]

Burst Sprayed Kit.

[@948320z]

"Ze healing is not as rewarding as ze hurting!"

[@skeetsmcgrew3282]

To be fair, its so weird that regardless of what it looks like, only another gun enthusiast would know wtf was going on before it was too late

[@LonelySpaceDetective]

Yeah, while it clearly doesn't hold up on close inspection folded (whether as a radio or anything else), most people probably still wouldn't recognize it as being a gun until it was unfolded.

[@extragoogleaccount6061]

@@LonelySpaceDetective Even then, I might think it is some non-firearm "gun." Like a weird taser or some other LTL gun.

[@artyom8905]

@@LonelySpaceDetective I’d commit the stupid mistake of thinking it’s a toy or something.

[@AshleyPomeroy]

Given the period, it looks like an old NICAD battery, or battery pack, for a mobile phone or car radio. By the 1990s it looked way too big to be a radio, unless it was some kind of military-style radio with encryption.

[@WhiteScarsEmo]

In concept, it works. In a movie or show or as a toy, it works. In reality, the more you think about it, the more impractical it comes across.

[@robertdevito5001]

"Inspired by no less than 3, French, naturally, designs" Ian loves his French guns in case you couldn't tell.

[@mikecampos1193]

So is this what a bodyguard would own in France or some diplomats head of security in France cuz if this is a French made weapon it probably makes sense why they would have it.

[@herbertgearing1702]

It's the worst case of "Francophilia" I've ever seen.

[@CxOrillion]

Saw the Hotchkiss Universal inspiration coming a mile away.

[@PrinsPrygel]

@@herbertgearing1702 The question is, is it contagious?

[@andrewmaddox2889]

He is a ouiaboo

[@davefroby9123]

The butterfly knife of firearms. Very flashy, yet still simple.

[@19LG99]

a suprisingly accurate comparison

[@Tunkkis]

@@FlymanMS There is no reason why a balisong would be any less useful compared to any other folding knife of similar quality.

[@kirbyis4ever]

Just like a butterfly knife, a piss poor user is going to get their fingers knocked off playing with it.

[@anotheruser676]

@@FlymanMS As a last ditch weapon before you start using spoons it's useful.

[@randomidiot8142]

Balisong blaster?

[@willpatterson5946]

The barrel bushing looks strikingly similar to the end of a M249 recoil spring/ guide rod assembly

[@austinslaughter319]

See, now I'm here at 0:10 in waiting to see if I agree with you or not, LOL.

[@frisc0strangler207]

Ah yes, you must be a devil dog…

[@nelsondisalvatore9812]

Neeeeeerrrd

[@saiberunato]

Nice. Wish you had a copy of the earliest version shaped like a boom box radio.

[@saiberunato]

The one in RoboCop2 was colored blue.

[@justindunlap1235]

Ahh yes the true ghetto blaster.

[@moehoward01]

@@RonJohn63 But your great-grandfathers radio didn't go "BOOM!". Repeatedly.

[@alexandrsoldiernetizen162]

@@saiberunato The bratty kid.

[@mileslong3904]

You could almost stick an iPod and a couple of Bluetooth speakers in it to complete the disguise.

[@JerryEricsson]

Ah man this is right from Mattel! Back in the 60's Mattel bult folding machine gun toys and folding pistol toys. They had one that looked like a regular 35mm camera when you pushed a button it unfolded to a handy cap gun. They had one that was a small brief case that could be fired from the handle where a tiny trigger button was connected to a mechanism that dropped a hidden door in the side of the case, a barrel popped out and of course a noise maker would sound like a machine gun, the barrel was on a motor that drew it in and out of the case with each round. I was a kid of the right age to look at those toys on Saturday Morning Cartoons and wish upon wish that my folks made enough money to get me one of those toys, however I only saw them in my friends rooms or out on the street where we played all sorts of cops and robbers (i was always a cop, perhaps that is why I became one after my 8 years in the Army!)

[@utubecustomer0099805]

Oh yes, those were the days...kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4Onlp9rhpaDeKM

[@PointingLasersAtAircraft]

Finally, the Robocop 2 edition of Forgotten Weapons.

[@PointingLasersAtAircraft]

@@mattrobson3603 Tis the only logical conclusion.

[@chestercooperpotscha]

12-year-old me I’ll never forget the moment that this thing just popped out of nowhere. I would’ve told you it’s the coolest thing ever invented on earth

[@inblackestnight9256]

Dang, and here I was thinking I'll be the only one making that reference. Nice to know I'm in good company!

[@PointingLasersAtAircraft]

@@inblackestnight9256 I had just watched this movie last Saturday so I was fast on the draw.

[@Adam-qv2bd]

@@chestercooperpotscha - The blue color just fit it well. Robocop 2 wasn't as popular as Robocop 1. If it was in the first movie, I bet a ton of more people would have wanted it.

[@caspianconstantine27]

I've always loved the FMG-9 submachine gun. The weird folding mechanism might not be the best for a firearm but it's still of the most charming point of the FMG-9 as well as any folding machine gun like the UC-9. Looking forward to that video next

[@dayshon124]

@@lostalone9320 it's basically a repair box, turned into a 9mm mini monster, MW3 dual wielding was nasty

[@JOEGUNN1990]

Reminds me of the magpul fmg-9 machine gun prototype from around 2008

[@RMediaObelisk]

The FMG9 was an evolution of the Ares FMG that was mentioned in the start of the video.

[@JOEGUNN1990]

@@RMediaObelisk haha yeah I commented before watching the video. It was a nice history lesson 🙂

[@pjm204]

Getting to hold and unfold the FMG-9 at 2008 Shot Show was an awesome experience.

[@JOEGUNN1990]

@@pjm204 lucky! I only got to hold them in call of duty 😆

[@johndallman2692]

It's a bit big for a VHS cassette box, but a .32 version, like the Scorpion, should fit.

[@adriansue8955]

Its Real! the gun in Robocop2 was so boxy and crude looking I assumed it was just a scratch built prop....

[@mikepette4422]

I have seen that movie a dozen times and I can' recall seeing this maybe thats just a sign that I need to watch this movie again

[@wanderingranger4208]

@@mikepette4422 the annoying kid carries it around

[@weswolever7477]

I thought that was where I saw it

[@inblackestnight9256]

@@mikepette4422 Strangely enough I'm the opposite. That's practically the only thing I do remember from the movie, aside from the drug-fueled cyborg.

[@junibug6790]

@@wanderingranger4208 I believe you misspelled "the awesome crime-lord kid who swears like a sailor".

[@christopherrobin8134]

Every time I see a crude SMG, I’m shock as to just how simple they are. Ian is right that it is hard to produce guns in quantity, but it is damn easy to make one or two.

[@mruler360]

“Prototypes are easy, (mass) production is hard.”

[@africanelectron751]

With modern cnc and Metrology control it really should not be but there are still fuck ups

[@reconscout2238]

You only produce barrel by forging rest of the parts can be easily casted a mediocre factory by todays standarts can produce 6000 rifles per day.

[@mementomori4972]

Oh is it? How many have you made?

[@Fulcrum205]

​@@mementomori4972the making of subbies is easy. Staying out of Federal "pound you in the ass" prison is the hard part

[@imadrifter]

First Connor gets a nerdy, grumpy voice done by Ian, then Connor fn Dies. Don't Be Connor.

[@frompaintopower9688]

I love the fact that the previous owner had this sitting on a bookshelf with a "The holy Bible" label on it! Seems like something straight out of John Wick or something.

[@sjcommander91]

Tip: a 'strait' is a body of water, you were most likely looking for 'straight'.

[@frompaintopower9688]

@@sjcommander91 you are correct

[@keithweiss7899]

I remember when portable radios had vacuum tubes.🤣 Some of them were much larger than that gun and were a.m. only. Great video!

[@19LG99]

thats exactly what i thought

[@sigbauer9782]

I remember when portable radios only needed a dolly to carry!

[@keithweiss7899]

🤣 I just told the neighbor boy about vacuum tubes and waiting for the TV to warm up. He looked at me as if I was crazy!🤣

[@keithweiss7899]

@@sigbauer9782 🤣You bet! I have a 1925 Operadio that is that big! With batteries it weights as much as a couple of HK-91’s. Also I have the famous tube type Zenith Transoceanic, which is portable or house current. Comes with two suction cups to stick the antenna onto your train window. In those days you really had to want to hear the radio! Of course I prefer steel frame guns to plastic. But I’m out of step with reality!🤪

[@blahorgaslisk7763]

Remember when a marketing argument for radios were the number of transistors used? I had one that proudly stated on the cover "9 Transistors!". And even though it was "transistorized" it liked it's batteries... But the tube based radios had the large battery packs. A six D-cell pack didn't last long in one of those. Or was that an eight pack? I can't remember other than they kept running out, and every year when you got them out the battery pack, that you naturally didn't remember to remove in the autumn when you put the camping gear away, had leaked...

[@jacobmccandles1767]

"...a standard Uzi grip stick." This was a brutally honest evaluation of the Uzi grip, and it made coffee come out my nose.

[@andersjjensen]

Hope your coffee smells nice...

[@nickjohnson8780]

Megatron after standing over the smoking husk of an fmg-9: "Finally, a worthy opponent. Our battle will be _LEGENDARY_ !"

[@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive]

_Hotchkiss Universal has joined the game._

[@jacobmccandles1767]

Shockwave deploys Full Conceal and Ideal Conceal. LifeCard cowers under sofa.

[@Alltracavenger]

I knew Utah Connor as a kid; he worked as a firearms consultant at American Laser Games, an outfit that made light gun arcade games using live action video in the early 1990s. My father worked for them as a programmer. His office was like a cave of wonders for firearms and I got to check out some very interesting things. I remember he mentioned making these and had production stills from Robocop 2 featuring the UC-9, and I vaguely remember getting to handle one. I was just a kid at the time and hadn't really been introduced to the shooting sports yet, but I appreciate the memories.

[@jackgates6949]

That is a VERY COOL bit of info. It makes sense...that company was out of Albuquerque...where this generation of weapons were proto'd and produced. Thanks for posting that!

[@mustafasfleas7342]

That would be just too cool, if painted to look like a USPS Priority mail box complete with shipping label!!! Thanks for showing this bit of 1980's kit Ian!

[@AnonymousAlcoholic772]

Quite honestly this is coolest of the “folders.” The fact that a 32 fits into the folded weapon makes it actually almost practical.

[@joshuarebennack68]

Someone at Kel-tec just sprayed their drink all over their monitor.

[@Deafwing]

I don't own any firearms but the mechanical workings of guns like these is pretty interesting.

[@JimBurly]

Might pass as a power bank folded. Just a reeeeeeaaaaly large power bank.

[@skeetsmcgrew3282]

"Yeah this is 50,000 milliamps, you know. Just in case"

[@kirbyis4ever]

Yeeeeaaaah... It's a big power bank. Solar powered. Don't ask where the panels are.

[@kirbyis4ever]

@@smorrow Doesn't disguising it as a different type of weapon defeat the purpose of designing it so that it's not recognized as a weapon?

[@catfish552]

"That's my power bank. My *firepower* bank!"

[@QruisS]

@@smorrow "Its a powerbank. A big one." "Why does it have an acog?" "Uuh..."

[@alecsmith3448]

With modern radio technology, I bet you could actually fit a working radio in the box and successfully pretend that it is an antique radio from the 1980s.

[@deterstruble]

Momma always says Life is like a box of chocolates You never know if theres a submachine gun inside

[@secretbaguette]

"Nobody expects a machine gun!"

[@JimmySailor]

Much more mechanically interesting than I expected. Losing the carry handle/sights seems like a mistake. Instead of a hinged stock a stock box which slid horizontally over the action seen preferable. That avoids the open hinge problem.

[@billyvegas111]

I shot one at Knob Creek. It was that ugly brown color and the owner added a red cross and "First Aid" on the sides. He was quite proud of that.

[@snarkymatt585]

The ICRC would have just loved that!

[@vaikkajoku]

Tee-hee! "Knob" 🤭

[@livingcorpse5664]

Would you say it would fool anyone?

[@ParaFox404]

Last Aid

[@ghostgamerz14]

The difficulty on building a firearm is determined by how loosely you define a firearm and how safe you want it to be

[@md4luckycharms]

The hardest part of building a firearm is making it in such a way that cops don't shoot your dog, your wife, your son and then burn down your house

[@lanekaiser2474]

@@md4luckycharms sounds like what happened to randy weaver on ruby ridge. I met him in northwest Montana in the late 90s. He was friendly to me, but it was clear he'd been through a lot and was edgey

[@ieuanhunt552]

I really want to build a Luty SMG in my shed.

[@ieuanhunt552]

@@i_commission_dspriscilla_a7486 Oh dang I should probably take the Luty SMG for sale bill board down then shouldn't I.

[@md4luckycharms]

@@ieuanhunt552 as long as it's single fire

[@Minong_Manitou_Mishepeshu]

Reminds me of the laptop gun in Nintendo 64's Perfect Dark.

[@Hysteria98]

Magpul just recently announced they reconsidered going ahead (after 10 years and some video game influence) with their FMG-9 adaptation of the ARES model for commercial sale. They have a video on their KZbin channel.

[@1stCallipostle]

Who knows if it'll actually manage to come out this year But I sure hope it does

[@LazyLifeIFreak]

Now we need a gun that is shaped like a graphics card, maybe a 3060 is big enough? :P

[@extragoogleaccount6061]

.......and your gun is now stolen.

[@LazyLifeIFreak]

@@andrehashimoto8056 We will solve the environmental impact of crypto mining, one magazine at a time!

[@Flying0Dismount]

Do you believe the phonetic similarity between the name Uzi and UC (you-see) and the fact that so many Uzi parts are used intentional or completely coincidental?

[@groundedgaming]

I see

[@Name-ps9fx]

If you have to ask ...you already know the answer!

[@herbertgearing1702]

I'm pretty sure it's a stealth joke in broken German.

[@jwdunnan]

I see. UC. We see an Uzi.

[@groundedgaming]

@@jwdunnan We see Uzi (U C) this is too mind bending, we should stop

[@EliotHochberg]

Seems to me like instead of that falling aluminum plate, that could instead be turned into a form of sights that could flip around and lock to the top

[@personalstuff3019]

No zero, but tbh if you're shooting this thing are you using the sites?

[@mattfleming86]

How Kellgren!

[@BillRoyMcBill]

Or at least a chain or wire/cable attached to the plate so you don't loose your valuable component if you survive whatever encounter you had to use it in.

[@sigbauer9782]

That would be "sights"...

[@jacobmccandles1767]

@@sigbauer9782 Jawol, Herr Bauer!

[@PhantomSavage]

Kinda surprised the secret service didn't adopt these at some point. This basically serves the same niche purpose the P90 does for the secret service today; Compact, concealable, boxy submachine gun that'll fit under a car seat or an overcoat.

[@shukterhousejive]

I assume part of the P90's appeal is the special AP round it uses on top of all that. That and you don't need to do the Bloodborne cleaver animation before you shoot it

[@Chaosrain112]

@@shukterhousejive but you look awesome as hell doing it...

[@michaelmay5453]

The P90 has AP rounds, holds a LOT of ammo and is a proven concept. This gun has no sights what so ever and cannot be fitted with any either while the P90 does and can be fitted with any sights. Also, you don't have to do an unboxing video before you can use the P90.

[@Shadow_Hawk_Streaming]

I feel like concealed in plain sight would be the best application, such as hidden by the bindings of an old book on a bookshelf in say an embassy or other government buildings where it may not look good for appearances for your security or you yourself as the politician, diplomat or similar to just have submachineguns and rifles ready to go, while something like this applied in such a way would offer an option far more readily accessible than a micro-uzi stuffed in a desk drawer, especially if it has the full 32 round magazine loaded, additionally, in a book style configuration the whole top of the receiver would be hidden on the bookshelf so you could indeed fit it out with sights also, eliminating the "it has no sights" issue from the whole debate, only real issue design flaw I see is that it wouldn't have been that hard to add some kind of button catch release and spring assisted opening to make it more tactile to open.

[@highmolecularweightRDX]

@@Shadow_Hawk_Streaming Politicians haven't been the ones shooting since Aaron Burr gave Hamilton what he deserved, and security personal are always going to have weapons on their person.

[@massivepileup]

You could probably make an even better "box that turns into a machine gun" design out of the G11 mechanism since the mechanism wouldn't need to fold at all.

[@vizzy61]

yea, but the g11 is a very large box in comparison, and a key point with a lot of these typa designs is being small and concealable

[@beltfedTODDRULZ]

G11 is so absurdly complex...... P90 and an angle grinder and now you are on to something

[@chkpnt-fq5rv]

I had a toy gun when I was a kid that would fold up to look like a transistor radio. This was in the early 1970s when the gadgets from spy movies like the Jane's Bond film were popular.

[@davidgillon2762]

I vaguely remembered there was a Russian folding SMG at around the same time-period and a quick google confirmed that it was the KBP PP-90, and a copy of the Ares FMG (and just as much a success as the American pair).

[@ragingjaguarknight86]

Hob was the kid in Robocop 2. He uses it in the shootout in the arcade. ^_^

[@CMDBob]

Getting very much a "back in my day" vibe, haha! Still, a fun little package. The label adds some extra sacrilegiousness, always fun.

[@extragoogleaccount6061]

I feel like I should make a Book Of Eli reference, but don't remember enough about that movie aside from the Bible somehow becoming the ultimate weapon.

[@Adam-qv2bd]

@@extragoogleaccount6061 - Great movie. He had the entire bible memorized. Reminded me of Al Pacino's devil character on The Devil Advocate.

[@doctorverruckt5114]

Mattel made a toy gun like this in the early 60s. They also had a snap shot camera that turned into a pistol and an 8mm camera that was also a pistol. As a side note if anyone has seen the movie "Ruby", the CIA gave Jack Ruby a contemporary (1963) 8mm movie camera that had a Smith & Wesson chiefs special built into it., ostensibly to dispatch Oswald. Kids toys used to be really advanced for their time...

[@SchwererGustavThe800mm]

If they marketed these in semi and full auto variants, I see two markets this weapon would fit perfectly into. 1; Backpack gun. 2; Survival rifle. For civilians or even downed airforce pilots.

[@chuckaddison5134]

Don't think it would be good in either use. 9mm is insufficient for most all four legged predators, and full auto only would require more ammo than a downed pilot would probably carry. Semi-auto makes more sense, but cleaning and maintanence might be an issue.

[@ShotgunGabe]

What that benefit though when you have guns like the Sub2000 or the FMG9 which are much more compact and lighter than this.

[@Shadow_Hawk_Streaming]

I agree that it would have a place as an aircrew weapon since it's fairly low snag, even if it has a set of folding sights, could even coat the stock in fabric to make it kinder on the cheek in cold weather, but would definitely need some kind of mechanical deployment rather than just pull and the dust cover pops off since that may come loose and allow debris into it or worse be loose in the aircraft. as far as civilian marketing, barrel length is the main issue there, it would have to be an SBR out the gate, plus it would have to become a closed bolt probably striker fired weapon, additionally requiring some kind of mechanical safety to prevent it firing while folded or being folded while cocked to save on the significantly increased liability, however if the ATF gets abolished it could indeed make for a decent basis for some kind of backpacking/truck gun.

[@SchwererGustavThe800mm]

All these points are valid, but lets not immediately disregard its usefulness gentlemen. Let me make the argument for pilots in particular. This weapon conceals into a light, book sized item, that means not only can it fit into a small ruck, it can fit conveniently in places such as being attached to the back of an ejection seat. That being said, you can camouflage it in a sense, making it look like something inconspicuous given the country you're in. For example, you can disguise it to look like a Quran and when the radical Islamist stops you and checks the belongings in your rucksack he'd be none the wiser. Sure, a Sub 2000 can fold but not nearly to the degree of the UC-9 and would immediately cause red flags in the mind of a guard or enemy. The FMG-9 by the same token can compete with a UC-9 but looks like a small briefcase, if behind enemy lines I'd wager if stopped an enemy would be way more suspicious of a briefcase or a folded up Sub2000 than a gun disguised as a book of his/her own nationality. Secondly you can hide a 32 round uzi mag in the UC-9, thats automatically gives you more ammo to work with than an FMG-9 or a sub2000 as they come with lower capacity magazines by default. Third, this gun was introduced decades before the other options were created. It could have had potential to grow into a modernized weapon with sleaker polymer shells and stouter improvements to the platform as a whole.

[@jongustavsson5874]

@@SchwererGustavThe800mm if you're a downed pilot in (insert country you don't belong to), pretty sure you in most cases would be suspicious as all hell whether you're armed or not, and disguising it as a book might work if it's on a bookshelf with other books, by itself in a rucksack, pretty sure you would need to be legally blind to not realize it's not in fact a book.

[@semibreve]

this thing is so slick! I love the charging handle/laser assembly, and just the general, smooth yet boxy appearance

[@vladpiranha]

This thing and the Hotchkiss Universal SMG should hang out.

[@snkn9857]

Really funny gun, and thanks George Kellgren, there are some foldable PCC guns like this but cheaper called Kel-Tec Sub 2000.

[@ThisGamerIsTrouble]

Every time I'd open this I'd have to make the transformer noise and say "auto guns roll out"

[@ThZuao]

My favorite show! Forgotten Boxes with Box Jesus!

[@jg8263]

I wonder if one could design this to charge the bolt as it opens? It would really make it a fast deployment.

[@kirbyis4ever]

Since it's basically a square uzi that unfolds you'd need to have the charging handle linked up to the folding, and it would add resistance to how quickly you can unfold it. Since it's supposed to catch people by complete surprise (Suddenly a box is a gun!) it might not be that big a deal.

[@vega1287]

@@kirbyis4ever alternative solution: charge the bolt when you close it

[@mattfleming86]

The bolt travels into the stock area. Therefore, if it were cocked and folded it would have guts hanging out the rear (oh, and no trigger to hold it there since it is now folded away from the bolt)

[@jg8263]

@@mattfleming86 yes, so it would have to be a system that works during opening operation, as it cannot be charged when folded. All an interesting thought experiment, as it would never actually be made.

[@b.a.beterman8455]

I think the biggest issue you'd have to overcome, is that the magazine well is not inline with the chamber until it is completely unfolded.

[@loddude5706]

Should be bright red & on Arnie's kitchen wall - 'ACME FIRE BLANKET - Pull pin & snap open blanket for covering fire.'

[@vizzy61]

I love the "Audio and Visual distraction" lol 😂😂

[@HellZReaper134]

The fact that the end plate falling of is a feature to distract someone carries the same energy as, "look a distraction."

[@jg8263]

Scale it up to briefcase size and with Kris Vector internals. Chamber it in 10mm.

[@Teodzero]

Or you could just put a gun into a briefcase and get the same result.

[@jg8263]

All cool factors aside, a more refined version of this in a caliber like 5.45 or 5.7 would be interesting for military applications. The folding makes it compact for transport, and keeps the elements out of it. Conceal-ability or surprise are not priority, so external iron sights and rails are not deal breakers in that scenario and would allow for a more flexible design. As Ian pointed out, the French have done it more than once.

[@jeremybriggs1707]

Scale it up like that and you could make it in a rifle cartridge

[@WhiteScarsEmo]

I remember there was a small-time publication in the very early 90's "Swat" that had this as a feature/cover article.

[@dominicrichardson5546]

FMG was one of my faves in MW3, would love to see a video on it even if it's basically the same thing as this

[@mrs.vasquezz]

Its supposedly coming out soon for real

[@0dayExploit]

Zev is working on a relaunch of the FMG for the civilian market. Should see some more info later this year and a possible release in the next year or two

[@dominicrichardson5546]

@@0dayExploit if only I didn't live in the UK 😅

[@0dayExploit]

@@dominicrichardson5546 F

[@tylerchristopherson4245]

hey this gun was in robocop 2, I always wondered about it. Thanks Ian!

[@highjumpstudios2384]

I thought the one painted like a medical box was pretty neat

[@kerbalairforce8802]

Geneva Suggestions

[@danieljob3184]

You finally found it! The lunchbox zipper gun from RoboCop 2! So awesome!

[@hughjasse7636]

They should have marketed these things to the military as personal defense weapons for downed Pilots and similar. With how compact it gets it might have found a market, maybe in a different caliber though.

[@CenlaSelfDefenseConcepts]

6:52 LOL holy crap I remember the ads for these in SGN saying "is that an external hard drive? No its a transferable machine gun" I like how the FMG was able to hinge the cover plate so it's able to stay attached

[@drdoom-skull2244]

An airsoft company made a fully working replica of this a few years ago. Airsoft can be a good way to experience the form factor for hard to get guns

[@jackgates6949]

The Magpul FMG Airsoft. Great gun but unfortunately it was expensive and had some design flaws that allowed some parts to fail. Discontinued after only a year or so and expensive collector pieces today.

[@richardjames1812]

We need the firing video. Including a simulated surprise 1999 usage "Hello Senor Cartel Leader, I'm the wimpy computer repair guy here to back up your laptop with this high tech, very compact but massive capacity 20MB external hard drive..."

[@thefrogking481]

There were several "futuristic" weapons in RoboCop, one of which was the Barrett M82A1. There are other "Easter Eggs"....dig you'll find them.

[@wraithcadmus]

Barret + old viewfinder = Cobra Assault Cannon. And yes, the easter egg I can think of is you can spot a stovepipe malfunction when Murphy uses it to destroy the ED209 out the front of the OCP building.

[@malgremor85]

During the 1960s spy craze, there was a toy gun that looked like a radio when folded up, when you pressed a button, a barrel & handle would pop out & you could shoot caps with it. I had one. This guy probably did, too.

[@Croak1]

I remember having a folding toy "spy gun" that looked like a radio back in the 70's.

[@JanoTuotanto]

It was called "The Ghetto Blaster"

[@Croak1]

@@JanoTuotanto It predated the ghetto blaster era...think Japanese transistor radio.

[@TotalRookie_LV]

I think this form-factor best fits airforce pilots and other crews - people who do not normally use small arms at all, unless they are downed somewhere.

[@littlegiantj8761]

Ian explaining radios like we'd never seen a 'nam movie

[@Charles-xw2wy]

OMG I am right in Concord! Heck, would have been a great meet & greet!!! Was always wondering about the Robo2 kids gun!

[@Nomad_za]

Hi Ian, speaking about Robo-Cop I would still love to see someone develop a real Auto-9. That is a really awesome looking gun.

[@wraithcadmus]

It was a prop built over a Beretta 93R, which Ian has yet to do a video on. Amusingly they were going to use a Desert Eagle, but with the large gloves of the costume it looked comically small, leading to them building up a smaller gun to the size they wanted.

[@owenkegg5608]

@@wraithcadmus Shit gets real when a desert eagle looks comically small

[@MrChadsimoneaux]

@@wraithcadmus But they still thought it was cool which is why Clarence had one. What I wanna know is: are there really suppressors for Desert Eagles?

[@CorvusCorone68]

@@MrChadsimoneaux yes, there's even a video on KZbin where someone fires a suppressed 50cal Deagle

[@Shotokan1001]

@@MrChadsimoneaux Yes, there are even have suppressors for tanks, you can do it with almost anything.

[@rburns9730]

This reminds me of a toy called the "Agent Zero M radio rifle". It was a transistor radio that folded out into a cap firing rifle.

[@DrSabot-A]

Ian explaining radios as if it's an ancient relic of a bygone era is jarring

[@LonelySpaceDetective]

I had the impression listening to him that he found it a bit ridiculous in the moment too.

[@Uruz2012]

That just means you're old. Nobody carries a boombox anymore, grandpa.

[@Fulcrum205]

​I do. My boombox has an effective range of 1200 meters against area targets

[@mandaloin]

forgottenweaponsthatlooklikeboxes actually redirects to this video. Beautiful.

[@Thermalions]

Yes, I noticed that too. Will be interesting to see if the person who registered it ends up renewing it down the line.

[@munsunsnight]

"It was painted with brown ugly 1980s color" that pretty much describes the whole decade haha!

[@unx74]

welcome to new hampshire ian, live free or die. glad you visited one of the cooler places here!

[@mabs9503]

Be cool if there was one that fit inside a VHS box.

[@Hipas_Account]

That was my 1st thought when i saw it, "a neat tactical VHS Casette."

[@ChaosApostle]

Put a blockbuster sticker on it. Oh my.

[@angelbangtana9885]

I think a 226 might fit....

[@1stCallipostle]

@@mergru6371 I feel like today "Laptop battery" and "Notebook" would be the only good disguises for this thing Though it's a little big for both by modern standard Or maybe slap a Nintendo logo on it and pretend it's a Switch case

[@Arbiter099]

"Be kind, reload," doesn't have the same ring to it

[@ConveyApp]

I just purchased one of these. Crazy expensive. I filed my form 4 through the eFile system for in about 4 weeks ago. I fortunately got a lot of time on the phone with the new manufacturer on this machine gun. Michael is a really nice guy and believe he is in his mid 70’s now. He purchased like 75 receivers. He had the external hinges and other protruding things removed and cleaned up the lines. He also utilized a modified Uzi bolt. Mine is western digital blue color. I have not shot it, but my dealer has and it seems to be pretty reliable so far.

[@loserdogygo]

imagine how much farther we would be with machinegun research and development without the 80's law. A civilian market would encourage some amazing designs.

[@conorkelly947]

You're already so good at killing each other I don't think help is needed on that count lad

[@theREALdingusMD]

@@conorkelly947 Why are you the way that you are?

[@porrod4313]

@@conorkelly947 no no lets continue, i want to see what people come up with

[@conorkelly947]

@@theREALdingusMDI have parents that love me and raised me well

[@Teh_Bean]

@@conorkelly947 If someone is going to commit murder, they're going to do it no matter what they have available. You seem to forget that crime happens in countries other than the U.S.

[@Yupppi]

Seriously some of these guns without manual for disassembly are like puzzle boxes. Twist here while pushing here, and pull to enable this pin to release this latch.

[@kj3n569]

This would be great painted to look like a cereal box or a Cheez-It box. Nobody would guess that the box of Captain Crunch you were carrying had more than a toy inside. I also wonder if you could mount a red dot with strong rare earth magnets, have lines painted on for rezeroing it after removal. Man, I want one of these bad, it appeals to my love of gadgets perfectly.

[@nelsonbrum8496]

How about a MAC'n'cheese box?

[@Theonixco]

I wonder how many gun's Ian's had to approach as a 'puzzle' in order to pull them apart.

[@sevenproxies4255]

I don't think it would be too hard to work out a mechanism to give it "iron sights". Like the front could have a slotted plate that you push upward to give you an iron sight at the front. In folded position you just depress that plate and you maintain the flat box shape.

[@bl4cksp1d3r]

I mean, as the radio configuration, the grip would've had the iron sights in it

[@themittonmethod1243]

Q would be proud of this design! The PO labeling it "Holy Bible" just cracked me up! Thank you for reviewing this piece of firearms history, Ian! Cheers from Canada.

[@fredboat]

Thanks, Still pretty slick. Personally I would buy the Hotchkiss SMG .

[@patrikhjorth3291]

I _think_ the one seen in RoboCop 2 (which was painted blue, by the way) was meant to look like a lunchbox. At least, that's the impression I got when watching the movie. Also, I'm kind of excited by the fact that I recognised the gun instantly in the thumbnail.

[@jackmcslay]

It's actually not hard to disguise it as a USB hard drive. There are still 3.5" external hard drives being sold today, usually in the >4TB category as no 2.5" drive exists above 4TB yet. It could even be made functional as an external 8TB drive by putting 2 M2 SSDs in Raid 0 in it.

[@kirbyis4ever]

Ah, jam some drives in there to REALLY sell it. Hard day at the office and suddenly people are busting in? You're covered.

[@kerbalairforce8802]

True, but it's still strange seeing someone carry a drive around like a brief case. Best bet might be to just carry it, and not draw attention to it.

[@ThaBigChicken]

Dang Ian! You should have told me you were here in NH! Glad you enjoyed your time at Shooters Outpost!

[@suddenwall]

If you hold B and press Z it turns into a sentry gun

[@josephcummings2691]

I gotta go to shooters outpost more, they have a huge museum and it's like 30 minutes away from me. Plus there's the possibility of seeing Gun Jesus

[@livingcorpse5664]

Its funny how a lot of technology, no matter what it is, starts off big but over time we make it smaller and more ergonomical.

[@simonh6371]

Except for smartphones.

[@livingcorpse5664]

@@simonh6371 Don't remind me. I loved my old flip phone, I hate how bulky my smartphone is (more like dumb phone).

[@falloutlover5443]

I love the hollow metallic clanging that thing makes at the slightest bit of handling.

[@azexnewmai3607]

When I am bored, I imagine my 3x7 inches power bank to be a foldable 9mm smg….. Am 30 btw…..

[@mr.sandman770]

last night I saw one as a receiver on gunbroker for 8000 dollars. Impeccable timing.

[@TheLovsethxs]

"what's in the booox?!" -some detective idk

[@metrazol]

""Cool" like a transistor radio. Love it. Also, all the real bodyguards and scary dudes I've met carried PDW's while they restocked the minibar.