Let's talk about Megan Thee Stallion's feminism

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@ForHarriet619
@ForHarriet619 3 жыл бұрын
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@blackberry4life482
@blackberry4life482 3 жыл бұрын
Yes ma'am!!! 😀😀😀 Come through with the spring green halter! Looking good girl!
@altasoyster
@altasoyster 3 жыл бұрын
@fredwill13 Black men literally got the right to vote before Black women. And that’s just one example. What’s that again about us always having the same rights?
@alexiszakarra1532
@alexiszakarra1532 3 жыл бұрын
"Being a black woman is complicated, because we can't have just one conversation"
@entretenimiento3347
@entretenimiento3347 3 жыл бұрын
I mean true but what women can ?
@alexiszakarra1532
@alexiszakarra1532 3 жыл бұрын
@@biancadesousa This is true and I think with the aforementioned extract Kim was referring to that intersection.
@a.dolapo
@a.dolapo 3 жыл бұрын
As much as I do want to hear other things from Megan, male rappers are not held to the same standard of changing up their sound/look.
@iamlaurengill
@iamlaurengill 3 жыл бұрын
And that’s that on that. If we’re going to have a standard have it across the board
@babyjki444
@babyjki444 3 жыл бұрын
@@iamlaurengill exactly.
@jenwhite565
@jenwhite565 3 жыл бұрын
This is not true and I wish people would stop with this narrative.
@thefloweroflife3977
@thefloweroflife3977 3 жыл бұрын
Forget male rappers and their dumb non-standards. Women need to have our own standards regardless of those fools. Stop comparing women to men, we are better.
@quilosunflower
@quilosunflower 3 жыл бұрын
@@thefloweroflife3977 that part!!!!🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
@KhadijaMbowe
@KhadijaMbowe 3 жыл бұрын
Immediately purchases 'When chicken-heads come home to roost' Thisssss It's so easy to forget that class plays a factor! I think people sometimes associate it with only wealth, or attending a good school and I believe that it is those things AND the way we speak. Even if you don't grow up wealthy or going to good schools if you can code switch people class you as more intelligent and therefore more credible. I've been noticing that a lot with KZbin. How some Black women's opinions aren't taken as seriously simply because they have a(n) "(bl)accent" and/or use AAVE making anything they have to say "inarticulate" and therefore unreliable...
@BellesView
@BellesView 3 жыл бұрын
You’re right! It’s something I had to check within myself.
@kriskenard
@kriskenard 3 жыл бұрын
Big fan of your channel!
@juicyparsons
@juicyparsons 3 жыл бұрын
She carrying an important touch 🙌🏾🙌🏾
@Itsme_1648
@Itsme_1648 3 жыл бұрын
That book was discussed in Jouelzy’s book club last year.
@twebster179
@twebster179 3 жыл бұрын
I'm on Facebook jail...lol
@SaraFetene
@SaraFetene 3 жыл бұрын
My inner nerd is amused by this PowerPoint presentation 🤣
@Juiceharlot
@Juiceharlot 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone saying it's hard to find underground artist are being lazy.
@sarahgates6947
@sarahgates6947 3 жыл бұрын
lol deadass, I’m not trying to be tho 😂😂😂😂
@lalat5899
@lalat5899 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly!! Thank you. 😂 The algorithm is a mirror of your Interest. 👀
@channiballecter
@channiballecter 3 жыл бұрын
@@lalat5899 people act like that's so hard to understand. I'm constantly telling people that they're mad at the feed they curated. You're seeing exactly what you want to see and then complaining about it. 🤦🏾‍♀️
@Selanaxfanx
@Selanaxfanx 3 жыл бұрын
@@channiballecter Like, why is it so hard for people to ignore this woman they deem harmful?
@thefloweroflife3977
@thefloweroflife3977 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah...in this day and age....smh.
@EH012
@EH012 3 жыл бұрын
The vulva face thing is a very David Cronenberg, grotesque body horror movie-type reference, which - Megan is a horror fan
@RimahVideo19
@RimahVideo19 3 жыл бұрын
Or her director is.
@cryptjoi9194
@cryptjoi9194 3 жыл бұрын
Right! Ol girl is wayyy ova a lot of these people heads!
@scorieshair
@scorieshair 3 жыл бұрын
Yes a lot of the scenes reminded me of the movie Silent Hill
@enicole9600
@enicole9600 3 жыл бұрын
I loved that! Straight social commentary body horror!
@asew4897
@asew4897 3 жыл бұрын
@@RimahVideo19 or she is. Black women are multifaceted.
@jubilantsleep
@jubilantsleep 3 жыл бұрын
I knew Kim would immediately get it. Also, my thoughts on the ending: “cat got your tongue?” It’s multilayered but I think that’s the punchline.
@mxchic05
@mxchic05 3 жыл бұрын
YASSSSSSS THIIIIISSSSSS!!!!!!
@haileyrrobinson
@haileyrrobinson 3 жыл бұрын
The fact that Meghan was shot by that man angers me profusely because that is not right in any circumstances, but then to see so many people overlook it and defend that man??? Angered me 10x more. Black woman too often don’t get any sympathy and I know that hurt, but on top of that she was hurt physically, with people having discourse over if she deserved it??? Oh it makes me so angry.
@Jmays03
@Jmays03 3 жыл бұрын
@@penetrasean completely false. The shooting happened a whole month before she even spoke about it publicly and she wasn’t on any socials during that time.
@maniac50ae14
@maniac50ae14 3 жыл бұрын
People have to take responsibility for the people they choose to be around. Id be drained of energy if i felt bad for every idiot suffering from their own poor choices.
@Selanaxfanx
@Selanaxfanx 3 жыл бұрын
You’re not going to find sympathy for black women in the hip hop/rap community. They mainly respect light skinned woman and dark skinned men, while ignoring or compromising the moral compasses they have for unambiguously black women.
@maniac50ae14
@maniac50ae14 3 жыл бұрын
@@penetrasean Your second comment got deleted
@Selanaxfanx
@Selanaxfanx 3 жыл бұрын
@@penetrasean Based on your previous comments it doesn’t even seem like you like this woman. It’s a fact you feel that way. Idk about it being fact of reality.
@LazyGirlTalks
@LazyGirlTalks 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly can we just allow black female rappers to rap without asking them to rap about dissertations. Like I wanna listen to megan to have fun not to hear a discourse on feminism. Another thing, but people can do two things at once. I can throw my ass in a circle and still care about my rights, let's be honest.
@bamboleo6348
@bamboleo6348 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@maniac50ae14
@maniac50ae14 3 жыл бұрын
Whos telling her not to? Men or women?
@Selanaxfanx
@Selanaxfanx 3 жыл бұрын
Right, I don’t need to hear a 26 year old southern college student rap about oppression
@lola.odetola
@lola.odetola 3 жыл бұрын
@@maniac50ae14 both
@lola.odetola
@lola.odetola 3 жыл бұрын
iconic comment
@cannadesmond
@cannadesmond 3 жыл бұрын
The way people engage with women who do not fit into the mold of desirability. Extremely talented CHIKA rapping circles around rappers both Male or female but she is always left out of the conversation when we talk about "the state of female rap" when they are only discussing Cardi B, Mrs.Petty and the City girls. The diversity people who are complaining about Megan not offering is out there but unfortunately these other women are not going to get the promotion and you're going to have to seek that content out if you are truly desirous of engaging with it. All of this to say, leave Megan alone. If you want to hear songs about other subjects, it's out there.
@sabeenie21
@sabeenie21 3 жыл бұрын
Yep. I’ll add Sa-Roc, Rapsody, Sampa the Great to that list.
@missdaliesh
@missdaliesh 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a huge Chika fan. I'm glad I found her when I did, because I've been putting people on her while her catalogue is small, so when she's 10 albums in we can discuss her growth and how we already thought she was top knotch from the jump.
@jahipalmer8782
@jahipalmer8782 3 жыл бұрын
I freaking Love Chika! I learned about her music online and just started by buying Industry Games. I'm a fan of her music.
@simi6003
@simi6003 3 жыл бұрын
also ENNY!
@AndSoWeLaughed
@AndSoWeLaughed 3 жыл бұрын
Chika yessssss. CHIKA. She is far more talented than any of those girls you mentioned. There’s those that write their own and it’s terrible but think they’ve changed the game (but rapping about the same stuff everyone else has) there’s those who don’t but can rap and dance and there’s those that just look good. I don’t mind have songs that are sex filled or not too heavy - I think they’re very needed actually, sexuality needs to be expressed. And sometimes it’s nice to hear songs that you can just bop to. When I actually heard Megan though I though oh wow, you can tell she likes writing! But when I hear chika (and men like Kyle and Chance) that actually change the game of rap with positive rap, sex rap, Christian rap, funny rap - all of the above in the hip hop genre. It makes me think WOW. Chika is a PURE talent that people are missing out on because she doesn’t look like stereotypical female rappers, the same issue with Lizzo but I think that’s slightly different because she does dress like the other female rappers.
@vnesje1981
@vnesje1981 3 жыл бұрын
Kim I like this lecture style videos with the PowerPoint. Kim class. 🙋🏾‍♀️
@AC-xf6sw
@AC-xf6sw 3 жыл бұрын
Don't play: KIM CLASS is a thing!!!
@vnesje1981
@vnesje1981 3 жыл бұрын
@@AC-xf6sw ohw really 😆 lol
@lilteratoma9231
@lilteratoma9231 3 жыл бұрын
fr same
@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm
@GrandArchPriestOfTheAlgorithm 3 жыл бұрын
As a priest in the Church of the Algorithm, I bless this video with a comment.
@victorysampson
@victorysampson 3 жыл бұрын
Amen 😌
@ka-fj1cb
@ka-fj1cb 3 жыл бұрын
Amen
@erikaenchante
@erikaenchante 3 жыл бұрын
Amen!
@cam4short
@cam4short 3 жыл бұрын
Amen!
@reserveeuphoric2283
@reserveeuphoric2283 3 жыл бұрын
Amen
@alexiszakarra1532
@alexiszakarra1532 3 жыл бұрын
"Patriarchy doesn't have what?... No Gender" and I immediately want to sit in a feminism lecture where Kim is the teacher.
@jillmac2000
@jillmac2000 3 жыл бұрын
The answer is there is no "right" way for a black woman to embrace her sexuality that won't generate negative commentary. It is best to do what works for you
@sunnysideup1218
@sunnysideup1218 3 жыл бұрын
Yo, that freestyle though. I love her flow and she's after my heart with the old school influence. But I'm in the same boat as you... pussy rap isn't my typical lane, but she does it well and the songs are bops. Is it really pushing feminism forward??? Probably not, but does it make me feel like the shit while listening to it? Yes and I think that's enough.
@maniac50ae14
@maniac50ae14 3 жыл бұрын
She definitely has skills as a rapper
@twebster179
@twebster179 3 жыл бұрын
The VIDEO though?? All she needed was some "Satan shoes". I guess she can't freak Becky's out anymore since WAP.🙄🤔🤣
@AndSoWeLaughed
@AndSoWeLaughed 3 жыл бұрын
I think it pushes neofemimism. Feminism has many lanes. But you should feel like the shit and that’s good! When I hear “I like ns with ice” it makes me feel weird. But hearing her say she enjoys herself - yes please!
@sunnysideup1218
@sunnysideup1218 3 жыл бұрын
@@AndSoWeLaughed you are right. It is pushing neofeminism and its doing its job. It's making us feel good about ourselves and that's awesome. Meg is also very talented. I can respect it even if I've moved past this type of empowerment.
@marie-francoiset9402
@marie-francoiset9402 3 жыл бұрын
Pussy rap! lol love it lololol
@sijabulilendlovu55
@sijabulilendlovu55 3 жыл бұрын
I really like the idea of being open to other black feminist ideas. It's very progressive.
@Silly_u1908
@Silly_u1908 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this comment 💜
@diaryofcaro
@diaryofcaro 3 жыл бұрын
@loudnsounds loud and wrong.
@Loveviajanika
@Loveviajanika 3 жыл бұрын
Love this comment just wanted to add in that being open to other types of black feminisms isn’t progressive so much as it’s a tenet of black feminist thought!
@lillysarethebest409
@lillysarethebest409 3 жыл бұрын
@loudnsounds how are you gonna tell some random girl what all of her views and opinions are when you dont even know her
@MsLiberianLady
@MsLiberianLady 3 жыл бұрын
Yes thank u
@justcallmebon2684
@justcallmebon2684 3 жыл бұрын
It’s so hard for me to understand this whole feminist/ anti-feminist “fight”. I don’t see how any black woman could be so deeply entrenched into their form of woman empowerment that they can’t be patient to another person’s expression of woman empowerment.
@priscahermene9107
@priscahermene9107 3 жыл бұрын
So well said !!!
@sobbos8975
@sobbos8975 3 жыл бұрын
Wow wonderfully said
@jarofredvelvets560
@jarofredvelvets560 3 жыл бұрын
Beautifully said. What's wrong with the way megan chooses to empower woman? She's being sexy and showing other woman being sexy. That's a form of feminism to me.
@user-bq2ko2tb2w
@user-bq2ko2tb2w 4 ай бұрын
​@@jarofredvelvets560it's ojectifying women though in a way we don't treat men. It's sexist not feminist.
@elizabethc949
@elizabethc949 3 жыл бұрын
Meg’s “do not fuck with them” monologue is possibly a Fight Club reference
@shaniquequaeakin4533
@shaniquequaeakin4533 3 жыл бұрын
It was.
@pseudonamed
@pseudonamed 3 жыл бұрын
Good point about how black women "liberating their sexuality" always looks exactly the same, funny enough it always looks exactly the same as how men portray black women as eye candy in their videos. It's the only image the mainstream producers are pushing. You know there's more diversity out there but they won't get big producers supporting them.
@NallahBrown
@NallahBrown 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly!!
@SymoneAntoinee
@SymoneAntoinee 3 жыл бұрын
“Being a Black woman is tricky”. Such a succinct yet profound sentiment! We are involved (both voluntarily and involuntarily) in so many discourses that are often in conflict with one another, it’s impossible to always be “in the right”, the most “woke”, the most liberatory, etc. What if that’s not the goal? Must all truth-telling be optimized to “get us free”? Like of course we want to be free. Of course! But do all of our actions (even down to the most mundane, quotidian moments) have to work to that end for our practices to have meaning (read: value) in the world? I tend to feel that it’s best for our well-being as a collectivity to stand in our multiplicitous truths, lest we fall into traps of homogenization, gender policing (a la Monique as you mentioned in this video), and other harmful means of social control. I really appreciate your analysis here, Kim. Listening to When Chickenheads Come Home to Roost on Audible now! Thank you for reminding us of the work Joan Morgan has offered to us.
@TreyTreyTaylor
@TreyTreyTaylor 3 жыл бұрын
You know we been missing you. Im just glad you back.
@Estrellitawilliams
@Estrellitawilliams 3 жыл бұрын
Meg is fire! She’s talented. I can’t take that from her.
@tm7517
@tm7517 3 жыл бұрын
that phone call is also an ode to a scene in Fight Club.
@shanicewebb1727
@shanicewebb1727 3 жыл бұрын
Sometimes the beat is not live when lil Ju made it.😫😫💀💀💀
@asew4897
@asew4897 3 жыл бұрын
That part part about “black” antifeminist using the language of black feminist intellectual work is too true. I know lots of antifeminist pages throwing these concepts around to push antifeminist movements. It’s crazy.
@katyne
@katyne 3 жыл бұрын
Another thing is that this discourse became a mainstream trend (I mean EVERY female artist is selling some sort of these records and videos by now), which can be good in some respects, but there's also a danger of it being absorbed and neutralised. So on personal level it becomes not the expression of struggle but simple conformism, and on a higher level people/corporations can agree to it just to shut up a certain demographic
@carolsimpson4422
@carolsimpson4422 3 жыл бұрын
@@katyne the revolution will not be televised.
@ninagrace-lee8323
@ninagrace-lee8323 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly!!
@sjlewis271
@sjlewis271 3 жыл бұрын
I'm at work right now and let Freak Nasty come on. I'm giving Meg knees in these scrubs chile!!! 🤷🏾‍♀️She's a spirit animal for blque women that aren't begging to find husbands and needs everyone to like them to simply happily exist! Not even to say that we will never want a man/husband or have friends. Just to love ratchet things and still be happy.
@karminyates3261
@karminyates3261 3 жыл бұрын
I know this is a black women space but spirit animal is a Native American term. I don’t this isn’t necessarily to co-op their language to make a point. I still felt you tho 💓✨
@876me7
@876me7 3 жыл бұрын
Omg stfu. Some of y’all are so woke and ridiculous it’s annoying af. Spirit animal is a commonly used term to refer to someone or something ppl think they can relate to. So what because it was a native term no one is allowed to use it? Smfh some of y’all are weird af and are constantly virtue signaling.
@876me7
@876me7 3 жыл бұрын
Half the words in the English language are derived from other languages such as Latin. By your logic Does that mean that you can’t use the words because you are co-opting Latin ppl and culture? Do you realize how dumb and unreasonable that sounds?
@NallahBrown
@NallahBrown 3 жыл бұрын
@@karminyates3261 LOL @ the emojis
@no_peace
@no_peace 3 жыл бұрын
@@876me7 the Romans and then Normans conquered Britain and forced Latinate words on them, altering the language. It's not the same thing
@laraabiona903
@laraabiona903 3 жыл бұрын
What I love is how Congresswoman Maxine Waters COMPLETELY understands what Megan was doing with WAP. She articulated the power behind that video so well and was so lovely and encouraging to Megan.
@allinone-qz2gi
@allinone-qz2gi 3 жыл бұрын
I'm so glad to know I'm not the only woman who feels this way. why does the current climate of female sexual liberation look like what heterosexual men would find arousing? I'm with Kim, what would female sexual liberation look like without the male gaze?
@annalovelmcdaniel572
@annalovelmcdaniel572 3 жыл бұрын
This video was awesome! I am a nurse, and I love how she changes the pitiful sexy nurse stereotype into a moment of body horror. The male gaze is staring at the ceiling in horror, not staring at the nurses's behind. This past year, we were forgotten in the pandemic, and this video saw us. Your analysis was great and spot-on! As a nurse, I must tell you that those are labia majora.
@destined2bebossy
@destined2bebossy 3 жыл бұрын
"Male gaze" annoys me because het men are going to be attracted to booties and girls twerking etc. Anything that a feminine woman who wants to be explicitly sexually expressive does will fall under this. The problem is cause no matter what we view woman as the losers in sexual interactions with men. The male will always be seen as winning or profiting when it comes to female sexuality because our society views it that way.
@basma.x.6656
@basma.x.6656 3 жыл бұрын
I really feel like you can tell when something is made for men and feels sexually exploitative vs when it’s just exploring female sexuality
@Roastpeef
@Roastpeef 3 жыл бұрын
It would be great if we finally stopped caring how men are going to view us. As long as we are empowered, and have peace of mind, what we cannot control may not bother us anymore. And this way, with this confidence in us, we can start fixing the system
@destined2bebossy
@destined2bebossy 3 жыл бұрын
@@Roastpeef unfortunately "the system" includes men. So as optimistic as it is to say we should be able to only include our confidence in ourselves, we would be shooting ourselves in the foot if we didn't have conversations about that dynamic when men are involved.
@destined2bebossy
@destined2bebossy 3 жыл бұрын
@@basma.x.6656 in some cases it's blatant however the lines are more often blurred than obvious. Esp when it comes to women in hip hop. Example: i personally view that city girls ft. Cardi b video to be exploring female sexuality however you'll get a lot of panels discussing feminism that critique it because at some point a male will view it. It's lame but that's basically my point
@austincde
@austincde 3 жыл бұрын
There is no wrong way to express sexuality and I think people just need to accept that. I still have no idea what "male sexuality" is outside of toxic masculinity, and magic mike ain't it.
@kimberlyhess993
@kimberlyhess993 3 жыл бұрын
The power point is giving me life! Fantastic insights and commentary. And you’re glowing!
@marishajames3581
@marishajames3581 3 жыл бұрын
I’m not a fan at all, I don’t really listen to rap it’s just too repetitive but I like her personality and her idgaf attitude when it comes to these men and people judge her for being her authentic self.
@mshill2406
@mshill2406 3 жыл бұрын
Yes I dont connect to the music at all but if Megan has interviews I watch so I can get her personality.
@diablabeauty4585
@diablabeauty4585 3 жыл бұрын
As soon who’s been in a committed relationship for 2 years with someone who allows me to be myself I enjoy Megan’s music & I throw ass everywhere 😂✨ bw shouldn’t be afraid to have fun because of how men will view them 💯
@Mysteriuminiquitatis1998
@Mysteriuminiquitatis1998 3 жыл бұрын
There is a contradiction in the idea of trying to reclaim words such as "hoe" or "thot" with Megan. She states that it's not the drag people think it is, but yet when referring to other women she deems as "haters", she also refers to them as "hoes" and it is meant in a derogatory way. This seems to be a running theme. Many women love to reclaim these terms or the actions that relate to the term, but yet refer to other women as the term and down them for being like that term and they mean it in a deragatory way. It's either you are the label and you are proud and stand by those who are doing the same, or you just completely delete the term from your mind.
@FocalPointElisa
@FocalPointElisa 3 жыл бұрын
Individuals constantly "attack" people with language and actions that if they themselves use/do it's justifiable, for whatever self-righteous reason. Patriarchy and misogyny values and behavior are constant contradictions.
@triaverse
@triaverse 3 жыл бұрын
The same word can have different connotations depending on the situation. Do Black people not do the same thing with the n-word? Sometimes it’s friendly and about brotherhood and sometimes it’s a direct jab/insult. I don’t think that’s a contradiction.
@Mysteriuminiquitatis1998
@Mysteriuminiquitatis1998 3 жыл бұрын
@@triaverse it is contradiction in my opinion because you’re acting like your trying to reclaim the word but yet you use to insult someone else. It’s like either reclaim it or just don’t even use it at all. How can you reclaim a word and refer yourself as such but then you get a offended if someone else uses it against you? If you don’t see it as a bad thing at all then you shouldn’t get offended, and there’s no reason to use it as a burn against someone else. That’s why I have issues with the N word, and words like “hoes”, “slut”, or “thot”. People want to be the word, but yet no one wants to actually be the word. I feel like you don’t see it as a drag then it shouldn’t really matter what kind of connotation it has if you yourself don’t see it as a bad thing in general.
@Selanaxfanx
@Selanaxfanx 3 жыл бұрын
@@triaverse I always bring this up.
@Selanaxfanx
@Selanaxfanx 3 жыл бұрын
@@Mysteriuminiquitatis1998 no one wants “to be the word”. They want to take words used against them negatively and make them benign. Kind of like using a word so much it doesn’t result in a reaction or negative response in culture. A cultural desensitization. You deem it “contradictory”, however, your reasoning is a bit circular. Ultimately, I think you perceive her saying, ”calling me that word is not the own they think it is”, differently.
@america5108
@america5108 3 жыл бұрын
I live for her, but she never took accountability for the designs she stole on her fashion nova line. She straight up stole from another black woman, but turned around and said “protect black women”. Stuff like this needs to be addressed because she just looks like a hypocrite
@Ilovechicago100
@Ilovechicago100 3 жыл бұрын
Im not feeling the slander Meg got especially from MEN. So many men were digging her out and making memes like the shit was funny. It’s not!!! Tory could have murdered her all because he was under the influence. I’m 25 but I do agree that her music sounds the same. I’m not a huge fan anymore but Megan can actually rap. There is no growth in her music. Same goes for the male rappers. They rap about the same topics. They make the same albums every year and it sells millions. It’s tiresome!!! 😣😣
@BellesView
@BellesView 3 жыл бұрын
You look so beautiful! Love the iguana green. It makes your skin pop ❤️
@Momo-zs2gy
@Momo-zs2gy 3 жыл бұрын
I just love how you make a whole slide presentation for the videos now! It's so cute :D
@dimples7235
@dimples7235 3 жыл бұрын
I love the conversation. I love hearing hearing different prospectives on black feminist. The message in Megan video was power and realistic.
@acfmisc
@acfmisc 3 жыл бұрын
Loved the comparison between the differing feminisms of Bey and Megan.
@zypher1990
@zypher1990 3 жыл бұрын
It's not hard to find new artists, people are just extremely lazy. Consider applying the same skills you use to find other things you want to finding entertainment 💡 How are we online ALL DAY and not finding new art?
@crowns_and_gardens
@crowns_and_gardens 3 жыл бұрын
I love you’re whole look, especially the top and earrings.
@scarlet8078
@scarlet8078 3 жыл бұрын
Kim, here's the thing: if WAP & Th*t Ish are truly a "flavor of feminism", then why don't we see popular white-passing or Asian women engaging in the same expression? Surely, there must be a few who express themselves in the same way, even just to imitate Cardi. Of course, we know they exist, but there's a reason why we don't see them on a large scale. Producers prefer to make such shocking content, & record labels prefer to release it, from black artists. There's a HUGE market for ratchet expressions of both masculinity & female sexuality (I can't call it femininity). Gangsta rap as a music genre has sold big worldwide for nearly 30 years, because men of all cultures want to see the expression of baser masculine urges that modern society makes them suppress. Now we're seeing the big market for women who want to explore the baser urges we have to suppress. Everyone is getting to live vicariously through black artists who are used as vehicles for content deemed unacceptable for others. If we need proof of the fact that baser images are preferred from darker artists, it's evidenced by the fact that there was backlash for Cardi's part in WAP (as a Latino), but not Meg's. Politicians don't really care what Meg does. Sure, they might pay lip service to extreme art forms like gangsta rap, but usually black artists aren't critiqued for decency as strongly as others. Consider how Madonna in the 80s & Marilyn Manson in the 90s were blamed for Satanic Panic and considered to be ruining Western civilization. (Eminem is an example from the 2000s, although he largely got a pass because he received critical acclaim and everyone recognized the significance of his role in the music industry, i.e., expanding the hiphop genre to the global mainstream audience it has today). Those are 3 white-passing superstars who were able to push boundaries & break society's expectations over the last 40 years. In general, there's less market for violence & explicit sex from white-passing artists. It's less palatable to the masses, because it's scarier than it is exciting. It disturbs more than it excites, because we've all internalized the fact that "those people" aren't supposed to act "that way." Their power comes with higher expectations for their behavior. At first glance, there seems to be a freedom in being able to release a wider range of art than would be palatable from other races. Black artists are able to not only "embrace their ratchetness" but also get celebrated & promoted for it. Nevertheless, that "freedom" only exists because it's useful to those in power who want to see these images (but not from artists who look like their own children). They also want to profit from the big market that exists. So the freedom is really a sort of prison. Meg wouldn't have been promoted if she made thoughtful, introspective music & wore modest clothing. Artists like No Name exist, but ironically, they're supported almost entirely by wealthy non-black audiences. Meg isn't the one who's pushing boundaries or challenging society's expectations for her. No Name is. We should want ALL artists to be permitted & celebrated for a full range of expression (to the extent nobody is harmed in making their art). The only way for change to happen is for black artists to stop allowing producers to push their baser images, and for white-passing artists to stop allowing producers to censor them. Both sides need to converge. It's not enough to just be accepted for ratchetness since that's the stereotype. Conforming to the expectation doesn't represent progress in my humble opinion. It's difficult to challenge expectations when we're taught from a young age that society's standards are based in part on your appearance. People usually rise or fall to meet the expectations of others, but we ALWAYS conform to the expectations of ourselves. Although not everyone is an artist, we're all capable of self-expression. Self-exploration & experimentation can help us escape the boxes we're put into. We can also promote artists who challenge the limits, regardless of race. That's why it's vital to support artists like No Name who defy expectations, in addition to ones like Meg who conform to strip-hop norms. In summary, if you like it, I love it. I just want audiences, and especially artists, to understand why this type of music is produced for this type of artist. Black artists are often used as vehicles for thrill-seeking, repressed capitalists to live vicariously. That doesn't mean gender cops should police these women and their art. It doesn't make their self-expression any less valid or enjoyable. But IMHO it does make it less important from a feminist perspective.
@deboraha6696
@deboraha6696 3 жыл бұрын
“People usually rise or fall to meet the expectations of others, but we ALWAYS conform to the expectations of ourselves.” - love it
@ladama3201
@ladama3201 3 жыл бұрын
Well said
@mshill2406
@mshill2406 3 жыл бұрын
Very good points
@JubbaDangerous
@JubbaDangerous 3 жыл бұрын
Powerful and insightful comment.
@user-oy5hb5nq5h
@user-oy5hb5nq5h 2 жыл бұрын
I know you said "popular white passing or asian" but in Korean hiphop there are many female artists who dance and make music like WAP and thot shit, it just isn't well known in the US because it's not in english lol.
@diannalovesfood
@diannalovesfood 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your commentary, your effort, and powerpoint with a comment... careful what you ask for them are strings attached!
@simonetagoe9947
@simonetagoe9947 3 жыл бұрын
Great analysis as always, nice to see you back here. But always enjoy the satin chats too. 🙌🏿💗
@Jgotmilk555
@Jgotmilk555 3 жыл бұрын
Your videos are so riveting & educational while at the same time you have such a great sense of humor. I appreciate learning & being entertained at the same time. I'll join your Patreon soon. Thanks for your content. It's really important what you are doing.
@sabeenie21
@sabeenie21 3 жыл бұрын
After watching Trina vs Eve last night I’ll just say Trina was doing this way before Nicki/Meg/Cardi/Doja etc. Makes me happy and makes me sad all at once.
@ericathomas1744
@ericathomas1744 3 жыл бұрын
i live for this analysis- the video was not on my radar until u came out with this Kim! i feel as a black women the conversation around the representation on black female bodies is sooo complex so i love whenever u bring something up happening in our society it’s always really interesting.
@hideorgochic
@hideorgochic 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah - 13:02 is how I came to knw of Meg. This freestyle is iconic! Also, u absolutely are giving DJ vibes in that segment 13:37 😝
@MarieAnnAdae
@MarieAnnAdae 3 жыл бұрын
I love everything about this!❤ You broke it down so well, it all makes so much sense.
@bytrynazia
@bytrynazia 3 жыл бұрын
my sister stopped her corny lil videos to watch you w me and then fell asleep. bless
@leilanidru7506
@leilanidru7506 3 жыл бұрын
Awww this was cute🥺✨💜
@saboo1_2
@saboo1_2 3 жыл бұрын
Excited to watch and that colour was made for you Kim, you look great
@bamboleo6348
@bamboleo6348 3 жыл бұрын
Her talent is there and it has been proven time and time again. The reason why she blew up on Twitter was for her talent and it's time y'all stopped playing in her face
@peacefulbadger4550
@peacefulbadger4550 3 жыл бұрын
Is it playing in her face if she doesn’t show her full potential? I think that’s why a lot of people are disappointed with her recent work. We know she’s miiiiilles better then her recent releases. Even her debut album didn’t showcase her abilities. Fever and Tina Snow did and that’s what a lot of her fans are asking for. Plus if you’re going to continue to rap about the same things at least do it to the best of your ability
@m.d.1395
@m.d.1395 3 жыл бұрын
@@peacefulbadger4550 she's on the rise and evolving. Shes only 26 and we get the chance to watch her grow as an artist as she continues in this rap game. When she wants to expand her subject matter - and not a minute before - she will.
@lunarsma8446
@lunarsma8446 2 жыл бұрын
I LOVED this content so much! Really appreciate you!
@keishaByfield
@keishaByfield 3 жыл бұрын
Im so happy you’re back. You’ve been missed Kim ! ❤️
@marseaumarseau
@marseaumarseau 3 жыл бұрын
Coca Cola makes beverages. You don’t look to them for tacos. Why are we looking for something else from MTS? lol
@tikifreaky5204
@tikifreaky5204 3 жыл бұрын
Becus people like when their favorite artists shows growth, it’s admirable
@marseaumarseau
@marseaumarseau 3 жыл бұрын
@@tikifreaky5204 that's not what i meant. I meant asking for a product that a brand doesn't sell is a futile mission. And also on a side note, I think this "stripper trap style" is a form of sex work. And I think sex work is a legitimate form of commerce whether someone morally agrees with it or not. It's existed since humans decided to barter for goods and services. I think sex workers are pushing for acceptance in society and fourth wave feminism has included it. It's up to the rest of us to not fall behind the progress being made. That progress includes being open to other people's expressions of feminism that doesn't look like our own. *edited
@mynameisuju
@mynameisuju 3 жыл бұрын
@@tikifreaky5204 and for some people this is growth. People watch this video and see girls twerking which is fine. But this was one of the first videos where there were fat girls in the background. And it may not have been clear but there was commentary here about white men and them degrading the black women online that they would kill to fuck in reall life. And the gross image at the end, Megan is a horror fan and we can now see her likes coming through. I think it's very easy to just dismiss this as another twerve video, but her art is moving into social commentary now. And I call that growth. Sue me.
@isabellepantelll5004
@isabellepantelll5004 3 жыл бұрын
So glad you’re back Kim, always love your perspective on this channel!
@sabeenie21
@sabeenie21 3 жыл бұрын
Check out Sa-Roc’s ‘Forever’ or ‘Goddess Gang’ or ‘Black Renaissance’ with BlackThought. She’s the most underrated hip hop artist, and all her music is black Women magic. Because the industry does not promote a diversity of women’s styles of hip hop, the expectation is created that non-conscious artists provide us with conscious thinking. Sa-Roc, Rapsody, NoName, Tierra Wack, Chika, Sampa the Great have more to say but don’t get the industry backing.
@invisiblerevolution
@invisiblerevolution 3 жыл бұрын
"The expectation is created, that non-conscious artist, provide us with conscious thinking." 💥💥💥💥 Ps. Sampa The Great *DAT TRUTH!!!*
@Fae313
@Fae313 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video! I'm also a little prudish about sexual expression by women entertainers (in general/not just Black women) but I've also been feeling the urge to deconstruct my own squeamishness. You articulated a lot of the nuance that I've been missing in my own evaluation, I really appreciate the insight as always!
@justjess6636
@justjess6636 3 жыл бұрын
Loving your outfits lately. Obviously, I love your conversations as well. I'm always looking forward to your thoughts :)
@blkgm7005
@blkgm7005 3 жыл бұрын
While rap in general can be ridic for me in general, I am tired of bw being scrutinized and not bm...
@kstclair2275
@kstclair2275 3 жыл бұрын
Watching you on Tamron Hall right now!! Congratulations!!
@MyWorld-xw6ic
@MyWorld-xw6ic 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks to you I am now listening to "When Chickenheads Come Home to Roost". I'd heard of Joan before but never read her. Thanks Kim for always expanding my thought and literature horizons. Love you girlie. Love your content.
@LethalLemonLime
@LethalLemonLime 3 жыл бұрын
I love discussions like these. I watch your other channel because I like hearing your thoughts but I'm definitely more engaged in discussions about feminism and other sociopolitical topics.
@giuliagagliardi5746
@giuliagagliardi5746 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Kim, love your content, I learned so much from it! Greetings from Italy
@leyhaw6762
@leyhaw6762 3 жыл бұрын
i saw you on tv yesterday!!! im so happy for you and your growth!
@QueenOfTheHorn92
@QueenOfTheHorn92 3 жыл бұрын
LOVE THE LOOK! Kim gives you natural and glam effortlessly.
@yoyodre
@yoyodre 2 жыл бұрын
Im glad you're back. I wondered why i hadn't heard your takes on current events.
@msgonsalves3668
@msgonsalves3668 3 жыл бұрын
Wooooow, this conversation hits below the belt👏🏽 You really broke down the music video on representation & the specific message that Megan is actually sending. Thank you so much for breaking this down
@sepharcallwood2422
@sepharcallwood2422 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate your analysis. It was very eye opening.
@maroonhorizon1693
@maroonhorizon1693 3 жыл бұрын
It’s not for me. I will try to understand it but it’s not for me. I used to find it empowering to twerk but I was brainwashed. I do not like it anymore. I’ve grown up. I feel better. Girls, don’t feel pressured to be ratchet. It’s okay to be plain ❣️
@UnicornWater777
@UnicornWater777 3 жыл бұрын
Period sis
@animebae5961
@animebae5961 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting
@Selanaxfanx
@Selanaxfanx 3 жыл бұрын
So lazy… do better.
@dcryptospace1284
@dcryptospace1284 3 жыл бұрын
Totally agree
@Lordpraisethe
@Lordpraisethe 3 жыл бұрын
🔥🔥🔥🔥
@mcsaism
@mcsaism 3 жыл бұрын
Wow i didn’t realize half of the content in the music video! Your analysis of this was great Kim
@fanonche1
@fanonche1 3 жыл бұрын
“Put down the shackles of carcerality”
@katinacombs9678
@katinacombs9678 3 жыл бұрын
Harriet, thank you for helping me see this video from a different perspective.
@nednelmam
@nednelmam 3 жыл бұрын
Your content is appreciated. Thank You.
@bre.6485
@bre.6485 2 жыл бұрын
i really enjoyed this!!
@trae_the_Arrogant89
@trae_the_Arrogant89 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. I too have missed For Harriet videos
@pauletteorhii8200
@pauletteorhii8200 3 жыл бұрын
these powerpoint presentations are my absolute fav
@ka-fj1cb
@ka-fj1cb 3 жыл бұрын
I love this type of video format. Super educational. I'd like to see one on Doja Cat , Rihanna and Saweetie as well .
@lavellans
@lavellans 3 жыл бұрын
i think black feminism is knowing that there is space for all of our lanes and we don’t need to police each other in lieu of whipipo to be valid
@NallahBrown
@NallahBrown 3 жыл бұрын
👍🏿
@AndSoWeLaughed
@AndSoWeLaughed 3 жыл бұрын
Not only are you educated and spitting facts whilst enjoying yourself, you look bloody good doing it Kim!
@JoiDior
@JoiDior 3 жыл бұрын
For Harriet (sorry, forgot her actual name) is really embracing her sexy these days.
@sarab3417
@sarab3417 3 жыл бұрын
Kimberly.
@samariam3043
@samariam3043 3 жыл бұрын
She’s dating someone now 😈
@sarab3417
@sarab3417 3 жыл бұрын
@@samariam3043 exactly lmao love this energy for her
@LifeFilmz
@LifeFilmz 3 жыл бұрын
@@samariam3043 I knew that’s what it was 😂 usually the case
@leilanidru7506
@leilanidru7506 3 жыл бұрын
I want that top she has on😫 she looks gorgeous
@iamhaleesah292
@iamhaleesah292 3 жыл бұрын
I really like the idea that people should rap about what they want to, but do these women want to rap about these things if it wasn't selling?
@KDBetter
@KDBetter 3 жыл бұрын
Good point. Probably not
@Ibeenflew
@Ibeenflew 3 жыл бұрын
looooovvveee this convo and convos like this so niche
@WordasBond
@WordasBond 3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate you, Kim 💙
@claudz4793
@claudz4793 3 жыл бұрын
You look absolutely radiant ❤️appreciate your commentary like always
@velvethunder
@velvethunder 3 жыл бұрын
"It's more of a consumer issue ,the industry does what we want" *NO.* the industry tells us what we 'should' want. Putting blame on the consumer is a mindset ingrained in us since childhood from capitalism. They say : climate change is YOUR fault for not recycling enough not the fact that it would be hella easy for them not to use such harmful materials. Or how they refuse to recycle ~80% of what we put in the correct recycling bins. So , no , we are taught to have the desires we have from childhood due to ads, media and our environment. We live in capitalism. (I'm not saying you don't have desires of your own, but you cannot deny the pressure capitalism applied to ensure their creation.)
@NickyNthabane
@NickyNthabane 3 жыл бұрын
I cant believe I missed the actual stream.
@beeztrapp1612
@beeztrapp1612 3 жыл бұрын
Love ya, Kim!
@mellowm888
@mellowm888 3 жыл бұрын
This color looks stunning on you, beautiful!❤️❤️❤️
@mscarter624
@mscarter624 3 жыл бұрын
Kim, you bodied this. 🔥
@tylerhackner9731
@tylerhackner9731 3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely loved this video/convo
@mshill2406
@mshill2406 3 жыл бұрын
Im glad you're back
@juicyparsons
@juicyparsons 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you SO much for honoring women in hip-hop Joan Morgan would be proud 👏
@SassyButch
@SassyButch 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Kim 🥰 you definitely have that summertime glow going on. Love ya
@benazirali1986
@benazirali1986 3 жыл бұрын
Yay! Professor Miller-Young was my feminist theory professor in college 💕
@elenard7045
@elenard7045 3 жыл бұрын
love love looove. thank you from Spain
@cmg25
@cmg25 3 жыл бұрын
“Deeply engaging in long form text” is the equivalent of “below the water line” of the iceberg. The tip being Twitter and the comments sections of “articles” and posts. Academia - while providing the skills of discourse - is what maintains who is heard and who is dismissed - even if they are articulating the same truths.
@chynawhyte37
@chynawhyte37 3 жыл бұрын
Using the old white guy was the easiest route but I understand it.
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