Why the Girls are Giving Up on Sexual Liberation

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00:00 Intro/Valentine's Day Recap
12:30 Why Gen-Z is changing their tune about sexual liberation
16:00 Brittany Renner and Mandii express sexual regrets
29:50 My original critiques of what's called "sexual liberation"
39:10 Sexual Liberation is not the problem

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[@flowerz57]

I love this! I would also love to hear your take on how a lot of the girlies selectively use the religious ideals to coverup the failure of the over-sexualisation, and how bringing religion into the mix take us even further down.

[@InlandDiscoEmpire]

Hey, look, we ALL need a cope. If you don't think sexual liberation was the problem, that's completely your opinion to hold, but I can tell you tight now it's not changing anything lol. We men will ALWAYS care and you're not shaming us out not caring, especially not Gen Z men. So be sloots all you want, but most men won't take you seriously, just know that and accept it if you're going to do this is all. Stop complaining, we care, get over it.

[@megeles]

"Men get to retain all the actual power while women and femmes get to feel powerful." People don't understand the patriarchy has been running off of this for centuries.

[@dkt4377]

But the feminist in the 1960s/70s who championed sexual liberation as a come up for women, sold the idea of commitment free sex as a power move for women... the proliferation of contraception at that time made it appear as though women could be as promiscuous as men. Fast forward to 2023, is this swipe left swipe right phenomenona really the success they thought it would be?

[@kaofounder]

Now imagine a man trying to tell women this over a decade ade ago before the modern sexual revolution took place, only for women to scream him down, call him a misogynistic protector of the very "patriarchy" he tried to warn them against feeding into... all for simple desire to live out femme domme sexual fantasies. Ans even today, most feminists will STILL ignore the very men telling them the truth.

[@Inkbkank.2029]

I meant Hugh Hefner

[@StoicBachelor]

And you’ll never have that true power in which in you seek because you weren’t designed to have it.

[@vlonefilmzzz3880]

Aye don't blame us blame that Irresponsible thot eve

[@emilymoran9152]

I think there is an important distinction to be made between "don't date people who don't value you as a human" or "don't pin your value on your beauty and desirability" and "don't sleep around" that isn't being made by some of these ladies. True sexual liberation means more than just having more sex, or catering to prevailing ideas of desirability.

[@jaeshasway]

This! Well said. Regret is typically due to feeling undervalued when the narrative was that you’d simply have more freedom to do what you want. The double standard was that it didn’t and doesn’t apply to women. Look at how everyone is uplifting Nick Cannon, but vilify women who have multiple children from multiple men.

[@sweetdreamscr]

@@jaeshasway actually Nick Cannon has been dragged left, right and center for sometime now

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

@@sweetdreamscr It took A LOT of babies for people to say ‘this is a problem’. Where as if a woman has two kids by separate men people are giving her the side eye.

[@sweetdreamscr]

@@TheDawnofVanlife she talked in the present tense so I addressed it as such

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

@@sweetdreamscr The context of the original comment was a much broader statement then present tense. And I still feel what I say stands. It’s very recent history that Nick Canon’s number of kids with multiple women has been criticized. For a woman that would not have been the case.

[@taii_chii6782]

The issue here is that folks think sexual liberation is synonymous with being sexually active so when things don’t work out favourably it’s easy to go back to basics. Sexual liberation is all about bodily autonomy and unlearning misogynistic ideas regarding sex. This all starts with the mind before you choose to lay (or not) with anyone. From what I’m hearing the ladies probably weren’t liberated to start with and are expressing it more now they’re abstinent. The conversation needs to be more balanced with girlies who aren’t sexually active but liberated (we don’t want to hear about soul ties my goodness) also being at the fore front of the movement

[@Drinkthedamncocoa]

💯

[@paulinemphwiyo2857]

YOU👏🏿SAID👏🏿IT👏🏿

[@GreenGorgeousness]

Yes and yes.

[@vondonstrut218]

exactly!!!

[@Femmeaesthetic]

a lot of times in media the idea of "sexual liberation" has been portrayed with sexually active & doing weird shit that I can't even explain but. A lot of these people think It's "empowering" but hey maybe that's just me or others who might not understand this sad generation.

[@marionkemunto3604]

Brittany Renner needs to talk to a professional who can help her through her self esteem issues and self worth issues not these red pill grifters. She has shown she has the capacity for introspection and recognizing the problems she needs to solve.

[@sixteen.candles.4644]

Right.

[@knowvilleknows1075]

There’s a lot to be said about how mixed girls/women are often overlooked in the black community and only valued for their beauty. But let’s be real, Kim isn’t going to bring up any point that may garner empathy for women who don’t look like her.

[@M-atk]

@@knowvilleknows1075 why is it always black women needing to make space for biracials when they are also white? Like, you would think if they have so many issues with black women- that cannot have their own identity without being called bitter Bs, they would start to go to the community they grew up in and should think about how they need to infiltrate white woman spaces and make whiteness synonymous with biracial like they continue to do with black women, even though majority have a white mothers- this projection of biracial beauty being black beauty is the effect of biracials being “black” even though they are not racial or socially. If biracials want to be “valued” for anything besides “beauty” in the black community it starts with the acceptance of who they are- biracial and letting black women have their own space like they do white women with no push back🤷🏾‍♀️

[@Lafemmefutile]

Seriously- if she needs to confess to repent or feel better there are professionals. But going to these vultures? It’s the self-destructive attention seeking for me.

[@moirabinfinity]

I agree. I feel like every time she speaks, majority of the podcasts is about what men have done. At 31 you’d think she’d be far removed but i can see the her past still effects her today.

[@AllTheArtsy]

The issue is not women feeling sexually liberated. It is that the liberation they felt did not transcend to society as a whole. Patriarchy essentially just co-opted that and saw it as "free real estate" to dupe and gaslight women into sexual promiscuity in the name of "empowerment" and "liberation." It doesn't help that internalized misogyny and purity culture also led women to ostracize and judge other women based on being or not being "liberated" in that way.

[@karminyates3261]

Sexual promiscuity is a byproduct of capitalism not lack of morals. You have great sex with many ppl or not and not be a bad person or lack empowerment.

[@papertags]

😂😂😂

[@dearrationals]

Men get to live their lives, do what they want but women have to deal with misogyny and shame culture for living how they want to. Where are the "promiscuity is bad for males" videos? Their hypersexuality is normalised. Sometimes even their cheating is blamed on their partner. Maybe if males had to deal with some shame, they wouldn't be committing the majority of violent and perverted crimes on the entire planet.

[@BellesView]

Absolutely!

[@dkt4377]

The sexual liberation movement was something spearhead by the feminist movement of the 1960s/70s. If it didn't work out like you wanted it to, your issue is with the women who championed it, not men. Yes, men have benefited greatly from it though. Since time in memoriam, men have always wanted commitment free sex from women, now men easily get sex out of women without having to marry... pump dump and move on to the next. Women fought for this new reality but are now complaining about the outcome.

[@moustik31]

I'm a Millenial and I dont remember mainstream feminists pushing for nudity and sexuality. I do remember mainstream culture pushing for a "s3xual liberation" packaged as "empowerment", that favors cis het men instead of women.

[@Boahemaa]

I actually remember the push back by women's rights activists including against porn and sex work in general. Even the Tucker Carlson nonsense of a lower heeled MnM being less desirable comes from men complaining against this stance. People are confusing pimp ideology with the strive for gender equality.

[@moustik31]

@@christopherbrown5409 Think.

[@juniorjames7076]

@Christopher Brown It favors the top Alpha Chads who these women want in their 20s. But once the Chad's are done with them, and they hit 40, and even the "lames" they friendzoned have moved on, time to blame the Patriarchy again for their poor, delusional choices.

[@user-lp2he1md6i]

BINGO

[@user-lp2he1md6i]

@@christopherbrown5409 you don’t even want to try. Just say that cause you can find plenty or google!!! It’s free. You dgaf red pill weirdo

[@DimaRakesah]

To me it's just kinda odd that these women who were previously 'sexually liberated' look back with shame. That tells me the problem is still that women are shamed for sex outside of marriage, while also still being pressured to give it and being encouraged when they do. It's an impossible standard to both be pressured and praised to be sexual AND be shamed for it. It should just be neither of those things. Women (and everyone of course) should feel comfortable having sex if and when they want to without pressure or shame.

[@lovinthymusic]

You summed it up. And again, there’s the underlining message of staying “pure,” that our existence and what we do to our bodies determines our overall desirability! It seems inescapable, like damn can we exist without scrutiny and shame of our bodies regardless if we have sex or how many people.

[@LoneWulf278]

It comes down to the fact that women are viewed as commodities for consumption. After any product is consumed or “used”, it loses value. That’s the unfortunate dynamic that we’re in as women in relation to men. Of course, they will encourage you to be sexually available. They desire us, and people tend to want what they haven’t seen or experienced yet. But after they consume the experience, they deem us to be worth less than before. It’s a scam.

[@DimaRakesah]

@@LoneWulf278 You know I was just thinking this last night. It's like being a consumable good. It's so strange to treat humans like take out or something.

[@aliinwonderland656]

If you want to be single for a lifetime, do what you want. If traditional marriage is something that you seek, then best be a traditional person.

[@dearrationals]

Men get to live their lives, do what they want but women have to deal with misogyny and shame culture for living how they want to. Maybe if males had to deal with some shame, they wouldn't be committing the majority of violent and perverted crimes on the entire planet.

[@rivearivea]

I think the "regret" from these women is 1) manufactured because it's what's more popular in the blog social media spaces they occupy now and 2) a result of having so many interactions that were purely transactional rather than for their OWN pleasure.

[@LizNeptune]

yeah, and I think also some women, especially as they hit 30 are having little crisis' about why they are still unhappy and looking around for answers. They think this is it!

[@ruonaeruvwetere1224]

Heavy on the transactional. Cause there is a certain realness to feeling bad that you didn’t ask for an personal pleasure in your version of liberation

[@dearbrave4183]

Spot on!

[@ineedhoez]

Exactly!!!!

[@ineedhoez]

​@@ruonaeruvwetere1224 preach!!!!

[@ashlovestoshop]

Regarding the hyper-sexualization of Black boys, you absolutely have to talk about Boosie and his relationship with his son. The behavior he has engaged in with his son is disgusting and predatory. I feel sorry for his son.

[@NishNotNisha]

And most men have lost v in similar ways to adult women

[@elderberryjamz3654]

@@NishNotNisha this isn’t true. Most Black boys have their first sexual experiences with girls their age. Now Black girls on the other hand are preyed upon by grown Black men almost as a rule. It’s wrong to sexualize any Black children, they are all victims of adultification but let’s not distort the truth.

[@graciousgrace7509]

Literally 🤢

[@SuburbanKween]

Yup! He also arranged the SA of his nephew with the same woman that SA'd his son.

[@ashlovestoshop]

@@SuburbanKween what?! I didn’t even hear that! Everybody in their family has failed!

[@SunseedStarchild]

Men consistently refer to their sexual behavior and general nature as being negative/using negative terminology while simultaneously claiming to be good men and I find that wildly fascinating.

[@LethalLemonLime]

crazy thing about Brittany and the other girl talking about not having sx with men that don't deserve it is that they literally defend and support the very men who don't deserve it. they literally put these manosphere men on a pedestal and they're the exact same guys who would look at having sx with her like taking a pss as she put it. that's what I find so strange about how they could think this, yet also support men who are actual literal pieces of sht who would never deserve any p ever in their lives.

[@DimaRakesah]

That's a really good point!

[@LadyAstarionAncunin]

It's like the City Girls and Cardi B or whatever other rapper girl: They rap one thing and accept another.

[@DimaRakesah]

@@LadyAstarionAncunin To be fair, when it comes to musicians, people keep BUYING certain types of music and that is what musicians will make. People went crazy for songs like WAP, so that's the kinda music they're gonna get! And who cares, anyway? It's just music, it's not reality.

[@my0stuff]

Coming from a very conservative household being sexual has been liberating for me. When I was being honest with myself and my partners about my wants and needs sexually and otherwise it was very liberating. I have had times were I had lower self-esteem and used sex to feel desirable. That did not feel liberating, but that was due to my own trauma and how I was acting it out. I have never been against people being sexually free even as I am now choosing to be abstinent to focus on trauma healing and regaining my self-love. I will always be against using sex as a means of control, social capital, or validation. I think to be sexually liberated women need to demand respect and care from their partners, be vocal about their sexual needs and willing to stop sex if their needs aren't being met. This can mean stoping in the act, stoping entirely with that person, stoping a certain kind of sex, whatever that woman seems necessary.

[@micahcook2408]

Ding Ding Ding!! And also people have to TEACH young people about the differences in Love and Sex and stop equating the two OR telling young people that not everyone is going to see the two in tandem with each other lol Like it's wild to me that so many people will be like "I'm looking for a meaningful relationship/looking for a husband" but either a) don't specify that and b) don't take the baby steps to get to the marriage certificate... and I mean, if sex is a way of expressing your like for someone, then you really have to be honest with others about that and not take who you have sex with lightly. You really have to investigate each person, be honest, ask them for honesty back, and say, "hey, I love sex, and I express my love/like through sex, but I don't want a one-night stand... I'm here for the long haul.. now tell me about yourself?" ... not saying it's that easy, but you cant expect people to value your values when you don't speak up/out lol

[@AyesheIsAlwaysLovely]

THIS 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿

[@annieothername]

When will we stop equating the ways men manipulate women into sexual experiences by gaslighting, lovebombing or pretending to have any regard for them to women choosing to have noncommittal sexual experiences with others who are also consenting to noncommittal sexual experiences?

[@ladama3201]

Great question

[@Boahemaa]

Exactly. Sex with people in a culture that thinks it degrades women and uplifts men is always going to be a problem and the sex will be less than satisfying. Misogyny is everywhere including in the bed.

[@donoc6036]

@@Boahemaathis resonated

[@iwasbornunderwater]

@@Boahemaa Wheeew...THIS.

[@graciousgrace7509]

@@Boahemaa oh you preaching?

[@Yryyyys]

During my teenage years, I was groomed by older men online into engaging in highrisk s3xual behaviors, and then I feel like I was also groomed by s3xpositive feminism into thinking I had all the agency to make empowering decisions at such a young age. As soon as I turned 18 I entered the pxrn industry. It was extremely destructive and traumatic but I was constantly claiming it was liberating and emancipating and my body is mine and blablabla. But I was an 18 year old being exploited by predatory producers making a lot of money with my body and none of them will have to deal with the consequences that I still have to deal with 15 years later.

[@SLees-tv7gh]

So sorry this happen to you. You will not only overcome all that you have endured. Trust me, you are more powerful than you think. Sending positive energy. 💕

[@Yryyyys]

@@SLees-tv7gh so sweet, thank you for the supportive words. I am very powerful indeed for surviving all of this. Life is beautiful and God is good.

[@VivianeBossina]

@@Yryyyys Yes you are and yes He is! So proud of you for still being here. Sending you my love 🧡

[@DimaRakesah]

Hoping you are in a better place now ❤

[@hazelbasil6451]

Does sex positive feminism advocate for women so young selling their bodies? It sounds like to cope with what happened to you, you picked pieces of sex positicity movement to make yourself feel better. I highly doubt the sex positivity movement would also advocate for women being in a position where they were not in control of their own money their body was making.

[@Aja-Christian]

I never dated or had sex in my teens and didn't have my first sexual encounter until I was almost out of college. When I briefly dipped my toe into the hook up culture pool in my mid-20's, it was my version of waving the white flag and surrendering. Since roughly the age of 16 I had been *trying* to put myself out there, I *tried* to give men a chance to earn my trust and my respect and they made it clear that they were only going to see me as being good enough for one thing. So I finally said "Fxxk it, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em." And it absolutely sucked. I didn't feel empowered at all, and I realized I was just giving them what they wanted without putting up a fight. These days I'm not sexually active but I *definitely* feel sexually liberated. I have much more confidence, I'm happy, I'm secure in myself, and I love myself. Men still don't try to earn access to me for the most part, but the difference is that now. . .with the way I've leveled up mentally and emotionally. . .I just no longer GAF. I no longer care if they find me attractive or worthy of genuine courtship. I'd rather be happily, purposefully single and celibate and enjoying my life than ever give somebody's sorry-ass son the benefit of having his way and then being on his way. Hook up culture was never meant to benefit women, it was just meant to brainwash us into contributing to our own degradation.

[@thisissummer.]

Wheww first off this is much needed! I just want to say I feel HEALTHY sexual liberation requires the knowledge of yourself, emotions, values etc to really be enjoyable. The reality is that a lot of people including men are just not there which eventually leads to unhealthy uses of our anatomy. I’ve had friends give themselves to men who were horrendous due to “sexual liberation” and it never works in in their favor and even when they did enjoy the rendezvous, they always leave not feeling fully fulfilled which then leads to more unhealthy behavior. I’m not saying sexual liberation is all bad but we’ve definitely missed the mark…

[@orangemoon9634]

Being a choosy lover and having good boundaries play a big part in healthy sexual liberation.

[@thisissummer.]

@@orangemoon9634 Absolutely!

[@mchlle94]

"Give themselves"? I do think this kind of language contributes to the idea that we are sexual objects

[@em.415]

@@mchlle94 That’s an example of how misogyny has been so ingrained in all of us.

[@thisissummer.]

@@mchlle94 I understand but of course I was using it as figure of speech.

[@misspiscesdreamz]

I never participated in it. I had friends that did. The hook up culture damaged them. There was no power in sexual liberation cuz it gave men exactly what they wanted without any effort. Men benefited the most. They had so much sex without even conversation or date or gift. Wild! I seen my friends catch feelings and get dissed.

[@HA4203___]

THANK YOU

[@dkt4377]

The feminists of the 1960s/70s fought for this new reality. They sold sexual liberation as a come up for women and all it did was culminate into the current swipe left swipe right generation of men who have come to expect commitment free sex from women. Don't blame men for taking advantage of the situation.

[@a.g3322]

Thank you, I see every body in the comment section blaming the patriarchy. Without even mentioning that those type of behavior are detrimental to yourself first

[@DiamondsRexpensive]

Exactly. You tell all these pick mes the truth and they call you the jealous enemy. If they can't think, it ain't your fault.

[@stephc9708]

@Electroencefalografista I don’t see how wanting dates and gifts before having sex makes it seem like women don’t like sex? I enjoy sex and am unashamed about it, but I do want dates and gifts prior to having it.

[@so_lodolo]

"It's really hard to win when you are focused on making men happy" yep mhmm mhmm👏👏I need to drill this into my head

[@lalaland1957]

I agree with you completely and I don't understand why many women don't see this. If our liberation looks like we are still dancing on the stage of Male gaze, yelling "pick me" while Patriarchy sits in the audience clapping happily, then it is not liberation at all. We need to find the Female gaze (the opposite of Male gaze), the gaze that truly empowers us while uplifting our worth and dignity. The Female gaze does not necessarily mean the gaze of women (it is more than that). It is just everything the Male gaze is not. If the Male gaze diminishes us as sexual objects, enjoys our shame, and wants us to be nothing but entertainments for its pleasure, the Female gaze operates as the opposite. The Female Gaze is a foreign concept and hard to imagine because we as a society still runs on the Male gaze. But one day... I pray one day. Also the Female gaze does not mean shaming men instead. No, under this gaze everyone's worth (men as well as women) is affirmed, validated and true liberation is reached.

[@lousielouise8716]

For me, it comes down to the constructions around purity and virginity. We all know that purity and “virginity” are ancient methods of controlling women/inheritance/lineage and knowing “who’s offspring is legitimate”. Old news. Nowadays, I feel like enforcing purity on women and hypersexuality on men creates a power imbalance via knowledge gap. If a man has a lot of experience (real or imagined), a woman is expected to defer to him for what sex is “supposed” to be like or feel like. It leaves room for abuse, manipulation, and mutual dissatisfaction. It makes it harder to know how to set appropriate boundaries. So yes, think about who you want to engage with! Be mindful of your partners and partnerships. But don’t eschew connections for “purity”. It’s not real, and it sets you up to fail. Make mistakes, learn, and grow. You don’t have to feel guilty about being experienced, or inexperienced. Sex and sexuality are *skills*. signed, someone in a happy, healthy relationship with someone who values me AND my experience.

[@jjamerican93]

You’re preaching to the choir, Lousie. It also seems like purity and virginity is valued among younger women, but if you are past a certain age with sexual experiences, you will be seen as a pariah. What we really need is factual information about sex and encouraging people to make the right decisions for themselves and for their partnerships.

[@Neo.Jordon]

But you're still hiding your body count from your partner

[@NicholleChristineEdwards]

AMEN!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 AMEN!!!! 🙏🏼

[@catinthepeng2686]

I’m sexually liberated in that I hold my body safe from harm and sex. I don’t have to have sex with men for money, food, or basic necessities like generations before me. Sexual liberation goes both ways. It can be for having sex however you want, and it can also be choosing not to have sex. Thus I continue to be sexually liberated.

[@Adreal357]

This is about women being shamed for the same thing men do or for doing what men say they like, now these women feel like it’s about feminism and it’s not. Feminism is about being able to do what you want, getting paid the same wages and having the same opportunities without an asterisk

[@shekwaga]

"It doesn't look like you're having fun" 'nuff said and my sentiment exactly!

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

It still sucks men can just have been ‘stupid in their teens and twenties’ but when women do it, it’s this terrible thing that has to be repented for before they are acceptable women again. True sexual liberation also means hooking up just to hook up is actually fine as long as both people want it even if it isn’t the most exciting world-altering experience. And you don’t have to wear the costume of overt sexuality to do so. You also don’t have to hide it like some dirty secret. A true sexual equality for women will mean it’s ok to have had a period of sex/sex partners you regret and simply grow out of that and want something more solid/deeper. Like men are allowed to do. I am not a person who slept around when I was younger. I didn’t even have my first kiss till 27. My mom wasn’t actually puritanical about discussing sex, she was honest. But she was an abstinence fan pointing out any baby that resulted from teen sex was the mother’s baby and daddy’s ‘maybe’. Just in observation I thought how girls were treated for indiscretions or even sexual regrets was terrible and unfair. (gen x here, btw) Even masturbation with boys is treated as normal in teen media. But female masturbation is often treated as abnormality. A family sitcom is more likely to allow ‘the boy might be masturbating’ joke and it will be treated as normal where as female masturbation doesn’t get the same treatment and is defaulted to adult entertainment only. Which says a lot about how we also view one body part as more acceptable to discuss then the other.

[@jjamerican93]

It’s so interesting to here from women who do have more partnered sex experiences than me reflect on what that’s been like. I honestly feel shame at times that I wasn’t “out there” much at all when younger, and if future partners would find that unappealing. But the means by which sex is easily available to me (casual, one-off encounters with people who wouldn’t care about me otherwise) just aren’t appealing, so I don’t engage. At this point, it feels like women can’t win either way…

[@juniorjames7076]

I'm curious, where exactly did you hear or get the impression that future partners would find your past of "not being out there" racking up bodies unappealing? Can't be from stable Men with purpose who want to start families. Only low-value hoodlum F-boyz and the women who engage them despise "chaste" behavior.

[@PullOverItsDaPopo]

Don't feel bad a lot of people don't talk about STDs/HIV it is not worth it to be sleeping around with randoms just to impress your future partner, that is backwards thinking, if someone really loves you they will love more than what you provide in the bedroom.

[@Mochafairiemonster]

I grew up in the midst of it and it never appealed to me bc I knew myself and in my heart what I wanted. It just wasn’t for me. I’m glad I got left alone for my choices and never shamed my girls for theirs.

[@LadyAstarionAncunin]

I've had none, and I'm going my entire life with none by my own choice. I don't want it, nor do I need it, so it doesn't interest me. Fortunately, I've never felt like I was missing out because I'm ace.

[@AhhhsoNeo]

I once had a man tell me it didn’t matter why women were “marching” as long as we took out tops off. He said very explicitly men were there for boobs and the message didn’t matter. 😂😢

[@LoneWulf278]

@mlcd Exactly.

[@mw7845]

This is why we have to be weary of feminist men. Not that they don’t exist, but a lot of them are in it for the 🐱

[@chinazorokeke5248]

@mlcd This☝🏾

[@nalasmith4281]

@mlcd I mean you don’t see yourself as a human if you think risking throwing off you PH balance and catching infections just to prove to men you are empowered is liberating. 😂

[@InlandDiscoEmpire]

Yep, ladies, we don't care. You can't force us into accepting you or caring.

[@MakaykayLAMB]

Not to be rude, but I feel bad for the women who are convinced that sex creates “spiritual ties”. I’d be devastated if I felt I was still spiritually tied to a nigga I fucked when I was 18. And WHY DO WOMEN ONLY GET THESE “spiritual ties” thru sex???

[@anissa2361]

Spiritual ties goes both ways, but most men and women only talk about it in regards to women. However I do think spiritual ties can be severed.

[@morighani]

i kind of believe this but I don’t think it’s more of a “tie” than an energy exchange. sex is a very charged activity emotionally, physically, can be tied up to trauma and desire etc etc… so when we exchange those energies with someone it does create a sort of energetic bond. that’s a reason why a lot of people experience bad effects after sleeping with a negative person. it’s just a temporary thing but can last longer and build up w the more negative people u sleep with or the more often u sleep with one. but you’re right no one is “energetically tied” to a random person they hooked up w years ago. unless it carried some other sort of energy be it romantic or whatever. energetic ties like this happen from literally everything not just sex !!

[@ninagrace-lee8323]

I wanted to comment on this to set the record straight because there’s a lot of bad doctrine on this topic. And then there’s people just pretending not to know what the conversation is about. - Men AND women can have “spiritual bonds or ties” with previous partners. This isn’t about gender - “Spiritual ties” is not biblical wording. It’s a way to describe building covenant with someone via sex. - Christians did not invent this practice or belief. You’ll find even spiritualists who aren’t Christian merge sex and magic/rituals to create bonds or connections that have an enhancing effect. This is why for fornication (sex outside of marriage) is a sin. Historically fornication with priestesses and other people was a spiritual practice or act of worship. Modern day Christians avoid idolatry, creating covenant with non Christians, and other sins by not having sex until they get married. All of what I’m saying is Biblical.

[@ncokeke1958]

Exactly! People attach weird puritanical shit to sex and then say they're spiritual 😐

[@leebird9023]

"spiritual ties" are totally imaginary. there is no evidence to support that shit. if believing makes someone feel good, great, but if it makes them feel bad, they should consider just...not believing in that stuff.

[@wendyngala9025]

The point that you made at 43:10 is so profound that I have found peace in it. Men are allowed to "grow up" and in doing so shed their childish and immature behavior but what do women get when they grow up? I am 25 and find myself saying that I am 23 (depending on whose asking) because of this exact point!! My maturation is not a testament to the experiences I've accumulated and grown from, it's more often a reminder that I'm no longer as naive as men would like me to be. The grace/wiggle room men get in the sexual arena is such a double standard omggg

[@TeKeyaKrystal]

ouuuuuuu . this right here

[@pencilfangs]

I'm still early into the stream so I don't know if this point is brought up, but a factor in why sexual liberation or social conservative ideas will not liberate women, is because capitalism recuperates both turning both lifestyle choices and the women who live them into products for consumption. Younger people who saw sexually liberated women at the same time as widely available pornography learned to associate it with exploitation, not being aware that the tradwife is also a product being sold to men.

[@scarletsletter4466]

You’re correct that both lifestyle choices women can make are sold to men - the tradwife or liberated tramp. I think the reason so many women are now returning to the tradwife ideal is that choice offers a greater level of security & social capital. Being a fully independent liberated woman who doesn’t depend on a man is a risky proposition in our patriarchal culture. While I’ve never gone the promiscuous route, I spent most of my 20s single & paying for my own life (albeit as a successful professional) & I can state unequivocally that my life with my partner is easier & better in most ways. He doesn’t make me stay home, of course, but I can see why many women/ couples would make that choice. True liberation is about having that CHOICE.

[@EspritsFantomes]

It’s good to be sexually liberated but if you have to be ashamed of multiple people you had sex with? Girl you did something wrong Be picky even if it’s just sex!

[@ece282]

mentally,,, it’s never JUST sex for women… this has been studied… “porn brain” has destroyed young men and women mentally… and for men it actually turns them into sexual psychopath, look up Jon Uhler on youtube--mind of a psychopath

[@gretchengeorge5302]

You sound like you missed the point.

[@EspritsFantomes]

@@gretchengeorge5302 this is not my reaction to the entire video but to a few second of it. I didn't miss the point, I just didn't react to the entire video

[@thinkpink6796]

@@EspritsFantomes you did miss the point because sleeping with multiple people is not sexual liberation.

[@astoldbynickgerr]

@@thinkpink6796 to you. it can be for others.

[@NishNotNisha]

"We will be done with this in a hour" ---Kim *looks at video length (2hrs)* Thanks Kim I love your breakdowns!!!

[@t4squared]

If that’s what a person wants to do then so be it. If a person wants to have sex or be celibate, it shouldn’t matter. People calling women whores for wanting to have sex are just being misogynistic. That or you are putting sex on way too high a pedestal. If it has special meaning or significance to you, fine, it’s just not like that for others

[@MsMizz1]

😂😂 I screamed when I saw the camera positioning today. It’s the view of the 🌹💐 for me. I love you Kim !!

[@OfficialJessicaMarie]

I feel like “sexual liberation” looks different for WW. They aren’t shamed for it. On television it’s shown as normal or cool. Its not an issue for them. It’s black women who are shamed and told it depletes their value.

[@stormyskyz7881]

Honestly I thought sexual liberation was about understanding that you deserve orgasms in your marriages and relationships… I couldn’t have seen that it meant wanting fighting to be ran through by randoms… Getting got by Narcs and users isn’t liberating, it’s a great disservice of against oneself one could commit

[@kolaoshun6298]

Using the term “ran through” exposes your ignorance do tf better.

[@TheLily97232]

I thought that what these women were saying. But even saying that is seen as backwards I don't get it

[@chayo4537]

Talk about sis. F these politically correct responses trying to guilt trip you for calling a spade a spade.

[@MakaykayLAMB]

That SHAME that Britney is feeling isn’t awareness. It’s shame. You’re shaming that girl for wanting validation she never received which wasn’t her fault? It’s sad to me that Britney thinks she so healed she can give advice to others when she really clearly hasn’t had therapy to rectify the way she used to and still does feel about herself.

[@Msladyrae92]

Seems like she had one therapy session then went on a press tour to spread the word about her discoveries. I wish she would do her healing privately and then come back after a few years at least and be able to have a true redemption story.

[@TeKeyaKrystal]

@@Msladyrae92 !!!

[@oliviadiann1507]

"...Performing sexual liberation before they acquire the tools to know how to make good and satisfying choices. " Boy, is this me right now! I'm 26 and I'm in a 3 year relationship and I'm struggling to figure out my sex drive outside of meeting random people in a bar. And what it's like to lead a sexual encounter versus being moved upon. Really struggling. Really struggling.

[@TeKeyaKrystal]

wait.. you're currently in a relationship you've been in 3 years and simultaneously finding people to hookup with at a bar ? (only trying to better understand your comment)

[@pynkbymbo]

I feel like Brittany has changed tunes because her "get rich by being an athletes bm" didn't work so she has to think of something else, so she's slowly aligning herself with the podcast bros lol not saying everything she said was wrong but girl please!!! Decent message, wrong messenger-she can literally GTH!!!!

[@niablee]

Ab-so-effing-lutely she's on to her next grift!

[@juniorjames7076]

So correct message, but wrong messanger? Thank God Gen Z women have had enough of you over the hill Gen Xers and your complete nonsense! Y'all look crazy to everyone.

[@pynkbymbo]

@@juniorjames7076 lol ok

[@SLees-tv7gh]

@@niablee thank you! it's obviously just another scam.

[@TeKeyaKrystal]

@@SLees-tv7gh lol , y'all really think the girl's a scam ? she seems genuine

[@claireh8125]

If women adopt this no-conservative attitude towards sex, how long until men are despondent about their lack of access to sex

[@MakaykayLAMB]

And now Britney is getting the validation she so deeply desired from people in the manoshpere co-signing her saying how she “needs to be accountable blah blah”

[@juniorjames7076]

Wow, y'all really hate that word "accountable" don't you! What's up with that?

[@MakaykayLAMB]

@@juniorjames7076 what Britney was saying wasn’t accountability. It was shame. She was shaming herself. THATS the issue with accountability, it’s being used incorrectly. Lol.

[@jojolyneee]

@@MakaykayLAMB but if that's who she feels it is what it is. You can't tell her she's wrong because it's not what u believe in or like. If it was the opposite way you'd be all for it

[@MakaykayLAMB]

@@jojolyneee nowhere. Not one time did I say ANYONE was wrong for ANYTHING. lol.

[@CassieTranthesuperfitbabe]

That’s why I would only watch "femininity" influencers who don't center their channels on relationships. I like the girls who discuss emotional healing, navigating female friendships, leveling up in your career, manifestation, and understanding what the true meanings of femininity and “soft life” are. The dating coach world has barely proven to me that they’re properly informed of what they preach as “high value” or “low value” because the rhetoric is so fixated on who is the superior gender. If the manosphere happens to catch them or if these women ever make a video with somebody who displays that sort of discussion, I just tune out and avoid those videos.

[@thetrademarkattorney_]

Oh do you have recommendations!

[@CassieTranthesuperfitbabe]

@@thetrademarkattorney_ Yes absolutely! Tam Kaur MONTELLE BEE Lucy Benson Elicia Goguen awwlexis Hailey Gamba marrissa breann Lisa Glamour

[@thetrademarkattorney_]

@@CassieTranthesuperfitbabe thank you!!

[@CassieTranthesuperfitbabe]

@@thetrademarkattorney_ You're so welcome! I also added marrissa breann to the list--HIGHLY recommend her sit-down videos

[@aamia3769]

Finally, someone who is reasonable on this topic.

[@crystalcastillo7575]

I could never pin point an actual definition of feminism and always just went with.. “feminism is whatever she wants it to be” BUT MAN, I’m so grateful to you & this video b/c you’re right... feminism should include things/imagery that helps push towards economic, political, & social liberation of women. You’re on point every time !!

[@NeasTube]

Poor Brittney Renner. She was looking for more than sex in her sexual exploits and now she thinks sex is always spiritual unification for everybody or every woman. Sex is just sex, but you'll be greatly dissappointed if you're using sex to get love, to feel valued, or to feel cared about by people with whom you haven't established that typed of bond.

[@ULuvJanae]

I don’t sex is ever ‘just sex’. You can possibly catch a disease or make a baby those are pretty big deals

[@foggycraw6758]

Wrong

[@_HeARTSconnection]

Another great video Kim! I think that as a society, we may be looking at sexual liberation in a scope that is way too narrow and limiting. I think it should encompass a woman's right to choose whether or not to engage in sexual activity with a partner of her choosing on every occasion, how she wants to engage in it, and her autonomy over her female sexual organs and sexuality. I know that there's probably still a lot that I'm leaving out of the discussion. I remember one of the first partners that I ever got cunnilingus from in my early college years telling me "not to move my hips" while he was doing it. It was giving me pleasure at the time but I think his fragile male ego was threatened by the fact that I was taking charge over my sexuality in that way. He was clearly missing the mark when it came to pleasure and that's what I had to do in order to get the big O! It's crazy because he had no problem taking the reins and thrusting his hips when the roles were reversed. Anyway, now I do whatever I want to get pleasure in the bedroom with a partner, as long as it's safe and consensual. If my partner doesn't have a good reason for not wanting me to do something other than "control", I find another one. I hope the Gen Z women are taking hold of their sexual liberation more.

[@afrobelle8626]

FD signifier did a great video on the hypersexualisation of black men

[@pdpUU]

I’m interested in how the pandemic has affected younger women’s sexual exploration. I was talking to my younger nieces who were high school seniors in 2020. For nearly two years in-person contact wasn’t accessible, and still isn’t back to pre-pandemic levels. I’m curious how this will play out long term. If it has an effect at all. I also wouldn’t be surprised if pregnancy rates amoung young women took a dip as a result.

[@casseygoodwin4870]

My niece lives with me who also graduated in 2020. She still doesn’t leave the house, go on dates, she doesn’t do anything I did at 21 and I’m just like…….confused. 😅

[@ULuvJanae]

@@casseygoodwin4870 she is me no doubt lol

[@sodamnsexy16]

Someone in the chat made me think of Chloe’s transition like Christina’s Dirrty era😂…what a time

[@PresidentIsraa]

I love Valentine’s Day, it’s my favorite holiday. It’s about all types of love and just loving all the people in your life.

[@SwimsWithWhales31]

Girl! When you were in "your preaching bag" starting around the 1hr 30 min mark was just: chef's kiss! This entire video went hard, but that portion, in particular, talking about knowing your worth (but not in any manosphere-ic, patriarchal, white supremacist terms or views) and not participating in a race to the bottom, was honestly just so beautiful! Beautiful to hear where you're at in your life (happy ass, stable ass Kimberly - yessss!), and a beautiful message to the other women, especially the young or the lost. I'm neither of those things (mid 30s, paid, happy and stable as well), but I could still 100 percent appreciate everything you stated. I never watch KZbin videos this long, but I'm so happy I hung around and watched this one in its entirety!

[@alexandravalerious3274]

i really think sexual liberation should be about not shaming women (but really anyone) for the sex they are or are not having. liberation is womens worth not being tied to sex. this seems like a really basic statement but we still arent there, we havent evolved past judging women for sleeping around or waiting until marriage or not being okay w all kinks.

[@brie1026]

I think we're not getting there due to the objectification & dehumanization of women and femmes. In this capitalistic patriarchal hellscape we live in, women are products, tools, servants, incubators--objects with market value. Not human beings (who inherently have worth).

[@redmaple1982]

Honestly this it seems that men on the left and right are both Invested in policing women's sexually. On one end you're a slut if you are not a virgin and on the other end you are a prude for not wanting to be choked.

[@tfkdandsvkc]

Thats the main point from all this

[@alexandravalerious3274]

@@tfkdandsvkc i like using the comments to boil down my thoughts on the topic kim discusses: summarizing it for myself

[@tfkdandsvkc]

@@alexandravalerious3274 I totally understand and you have summarised it perfectly those are the issues women go through being judged all the time

[@karishajohnson6537]

This was such a good live! There was some gems all throughout!

[@Aieshoo]

Hookup culture was created to benefit men under the guise of feminism.

[@ijeomafarrakhan4020]

Your point about academic arguments trailing behind the culture by decades is critical!!

[@Krumplebumble]

I'm 21 and I'm in the middle about this. You can be liberated while fully clothed because you don't need to prove that to anyone. But at the same time, anything sexual shouldn't be shamed, kids do things out of curiosity without thinking of the seriousness of it and it's our jobs as parents and adults to stop what's happening and inform them about what could've happened. For me, I was at the receiving end when one of my cousins wanted to try something and I didn't want to. She kept saying if I didn't we wouldn't be friends anymore. So I complied and it was gross, lucky my other cousin came into the room to stop it from going any further. If only an adult was there I don't think I would be so reluctant to see her. Even though, I understand that children can have these thoughts and feelings way earlier than most are led to believe.

[@thePLAINESTjane]

I LOVE seeing the glow on Kimberly's face when she references her newfound love. 1:44:20 *"..shoutout to my n!gga tho!"* ..just BEAUTIFUL asf! 🖤

[@Boahemaa]

I don't think the stale issue of women maturing and regretting their actions and choices in their younger years is a manosphere talking point. Most of the time the older generation's caution includes the regret. It is a snarky comment because we are tired of people acting like no one ever said any of the things they have come to realize as adults. Its just better to be open to criticism when you are inexperienced. That is advice that many people ignore to their detriment. I think we are tired of the act that they just realized something that was pointed out to them in many ways all along.

[@MichelleWatsonLee]

Kim! This video was so good. You are brilliant, as always. This topic of black women and sexual liberation is one of my favs and you took us deep. Thank you so much for your work. I appreciate everything you do.

[@tracyclark7560]

giving up because women are damned if they do, and damned if they don't. Perils, dichotomy, juxtaposition of being a woman, privileged and curse. Both, not one. Free to exist differently than majority of women during majority of eras does't always have to do with the physical, can involve, spiritual, mental, intellectual, economic, social. Girl power!

[@melissab3217]

There's a book called Female Chauvinist Pigs that covers the rise of raunch culture and ties into some of the issues you're talking about.

[@djakartajacobs1794]

Gen x here we didn’t realize how much influence men still held over our supposed sexual liberation. If we had foresight and some of us and the elders did warn us, that the type of liberation we were engaging in would lead to exploitation by men under the guise of sexual freedom. The benefactors of devaluing sexual pickiness & lowering our standards are very rarely women. There’s a power in keeping sexual access at a premium and we are seeing the results of devaluing it on our minds, bodies, culture and society in general. The pendulum does need to swing back so it can settle in a more balanced space. Hence more moving in silence and better selection of partners who offer benefit beyond a 10 second organs. Toys can give you that. Sexual access should require more because of the toll it takes on the woman physically and spiritually. We live & learn. GL ladies.

[@MrsKre8ivetype]

Well said

[@Lovelyasdfghjkl]

Your discussions itch a part of my brain that I can’t reach. Thank you. 😅

[@mari.n.w155]

Just a thought about Brttany Renner the problem with her is that she was sleeping with men in order to get them to like her and she was looking for validation and esteem in exchange for sexual favors. That is very different IMO to someone who loves themselves and values themselves and is comfortabe exoploring their bodies with whomever they choose. In Brittany's example she was not doing it because it is truly what she wanted rather for the reward she thought she would get from it.

[@mrs.purrfectpearl]

Karen Steffans is the real conversation to have about Sexual liberation. She was very young but seemed to have understood “ something” we are missing.

[@Drinkthedamncocoa]

I agree that society not catching up is part of the issue but I also think the tools available at the time for women to explore themselves as sexual beings may not have been the best. There was a push for women to “have sex like men” and not much as much space for women who needed to unpack their trauma and how it impacted their choices.

[@sophiarivera7364]

Sexual liberation is so personal. True freedom comes from being confident in how you move through the world. Sexual liberation means knowing who you are, what you want from sex, and communicating that to your partners shamelessly. Whether that’s vanilla, kink, multiple partners, whatever, it’s about personal choice and making peace with that despite societal messages that may differ.

[@kolaoshun6298]

Agreed.

[@brezzyFbaby1011]

Thank you for existing Kimberly 🙏🏾

[@MysteriousVirScorpio]

Sexual liberation is the liberty to have consensual sex with whom you want, when you want, AND also the freedom NOT to have sex if you don't want to. Do what you want for yourself and for no one else. Some women are liberated through celibacy, but people are conditioned not to see this as liberation as well.

[@rush2it]

Worth the wait

[@takishaedwards273]

Kim has done it again!!!! You have definitely been instrumental on helping me articulate my feelings about so many topics. Thank you for giving me the words to talk about things when I couldn't eloquently explain them before!

[@PhetteHollins]

Great critique. I love watching your content. At my big age of 47, I learn a lot watching those who are younger than I am. As someone who, in my 20s & part of my 30s, had a magnificent time exploring *wink wink, it took me years to remove the shame associated with my sexual liberation. I also want to piggyback briefly on your point about the hypersexualization of black boys & in the movie Juice when Omar Epps’ character is in a full-fledged relationship with a grown azz woman while he was just a senior in high school. I’ve come across a number of men who’ve experienced this in high school &, now as adults, are so detached & emotionally disconnected. It’s ridiculous.

[@NeasTube]

So interesting to see someone in my age group express feeling the shame these ladies mention. I was wondering if it's a young people thing. It never occurred to me to feel shame or to have a single regret. A couple of longterm friends also seem to have an absence of negative feelings about sexual exploration. I didn't think of it as sexual liberation when I was younger. I just did what made me feel pleasure and excitement without feeling trapped like a pet. It's hard to understand why women feel regret. Was there an absence of enjoyment? I don't get it. Maybe we just have to be mindful of our own "wiring." Very interesting.

[@crystalcastillo7575]

I was waiting for this live for days & your ideas DEFINITELY DELIVERED.

[@LunaLeoJourney]

didn't miss!! you said it so well ive never been able to put my finger on these thoughts so clearly. Also so depressing because this topic hits close to home especially and im tiredd

[@margaretchandia9452]

Wow! All they could say is you're just jealous?! Lol! In their game they need haters, the heirarcy makes no sense without it. To entertain the fact that you could have more and be less desirable is earth-shattering shattering to them. To accept the idea that if know what you want and feel you are deserving of it you will get it regardless of what you look like or were you fit in the heirarcy is completely ludicrous in their world. The idea of option out is complete madness. I am glad I opted out of this thinking. It's exhausting and performative. Great video.

[@Juiceharlot]

I don’t have children, but I follow an account, that talks about how to teach sex education to children and I am grateful because I am planning on becoming a parent and I want to get things like this right.

[@jjamerican93]

That’s wonderful!!!

[@SunseedStarchild]

If they have a KZbin channel, can you drop a link? I'm thinking about this myself for the same reasons.

[@Juiceharlot]

@@SunseedStarchild I don’t believe they do. But I will check.

[@micalaking1904]

whats the account name?

[@dearrationals]

Men get to live their lives, do what they want but women have to deal with misogyny and shame culture for living how they want to. Where are the "promiscuity is bad for males" videos? Their hypersexuality is normalised. Sometimes even their cheating is blamed on their partner. Maybe if males had to deal with some shame, they wouldn't be committing the majority of violent and perverted crimes on the entire planet.

[@ForHarriet619]

I, literally, discuss this in the video.

[@sapihrcristal]

There are plenty of videos saying that porn is bad for guys and promiscuity too. Don't stick to your bubble.

[@sapihrcristal]

There are plenty of videos saying that porn is bad for guys and promiscuity too. Don't stick to your bubble.

[@dearrationals]

​@@sapihrcristal Can you show me? I know some religious folk believe in no sex before marriage. And then there are those incel-type misogynists who think males having a "high body count" is a positive thing. 🤦🏽‍♀️ But where are the men who preach promiscuity and perverse behaviour is bad for men in general?

[@skrawberrries]

@@dearrationals A lot of men do, they just aren't doing it for women. They generally advocate that it's ultimately meaningless to have sex without having a real connection. Look up youtube videos on hookup culture, or the inefficiency of dating apps. one thing to note when going through these videos is that a lot of these men have tried to live up to misogynist standards, but they found it wanting. However their immersion in this lifestyle still leaves traces in their mindsets, whether they are aware of it or not. They are only against hookup culture because its ineffectual, and not necessarily because of their concern for women. They aren't [typically] feminist and may still carry sexist rhetoric, their awakening only comes out of a dissatisfaction with the current state of affairs

[@fortunamajor7239]

I know this isn't the point but when you were like 'you need to look beyond tumblr' i had just started this video bc i needed a break from ppl starting antiblack nonsense 'discourse' on my tumblr feed lmao. late 20s is so weird bc ik I'm young but it rly is a whole world away from what 18-23 year olds have been on w all this mess

[@BellesView]

Great conversation! It’s liberating to get to that point of let me just do what I want to do.

[@tylerhackner9731]

Thank you for this convo

[@lexik780]

For people who enjoy to be liberated in that way, please be safe. be happy and live your life according to the religion you subscribe to or just yourself. If you enjoy living however way you'd like to live, be proud of who you are, and what you like and enjoy. I feel like Brittany has been pressured to change and speak about her private life. She doesn't have to explain anything to anyone. The fact that she is being introspective about her past is good. Some change is a good thing, I just hope she is changing because she wants to and not because she's being shamed or pressured to do so. Honestly, the lesson she is learning is something that a lot of people face and I believe this type of growth and development is best done privately.

[@Tee-kc3pn]

I never subscribed to being sexually liberated because I have always been fearful of STDs...... and it always seemed to benefit the man

[@gbefa939]

Kim, thank you for this love letter to younger (or older) women❤️ And Chef kiss to the long form.

[@qboobq]

I don’t know why, but your cadence and use of repetition are taking me to black church 😂😂 got me throwin ad-libs to the screen like “louder for the people in the back!”

[@dajiyahmcae1880]

What’s the point of “getting picked” if you are not kept? The mentality is skewed and the logic nonexistent.

[@SunseedStarchild]

A lot of women seem to think one automatically leads to the other (especially if you have his baby). That, and a lot of BW don't know what it means to be kept since they've never seen it.

[@dajiyahmcae1880]

@@SunseedStarchild oof

[@kaylenamalia6629]

There were so many good things were conveyed in this message. May everybody come to know and love themselves one day ❤

[@mina2509]

Beautiful beautiful Beautiful. Once again, Kim. You have outdone yourself. I learnt so much and going on a path of healing. I genuinely needed this perspective.

[@AJ-cq5pw]

There is nothing wrong with critiquing elders. In fact you should always critique elders. No one is above criticism

[@funnyfoxbird]

My thing is these women are capable of saying I gave in to unhealthy things and I’m growing. But men, wait until their body is failing them to say, I’m ready to settle down and then perpetuate the idea that the young men should still try to sleep as many women as possible until they can.

[@nataliequansah]

So many amazing topics, comments and great opinions brought up within this; what a great space to be able to listen and understand these ideas !👌 When it got to around 1 hour and 53 mins and a comment had stated “you can still expect care from casual sex”, it almost makes me think “to an extent” because, what if the person you are deciding to have casual sex with really enjoys sadism, to the extent where they will act like they’re decent and then switch one time without informing you💭 I guess, as long as you are with someone who is on the same wavelength and understanding of what the casual sex will be, then fair enough- I think it’s too much of a risk to place on someone you may not get to know in terms of character before trusting them with one’s body but it’s still interesting to hear others’ opinions💭 Overall, an amazing discussion Harriet !x

[@lucylazy143]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts! Genuinely spoke to my inner child. Thank you Auntie Kim 😊

[@beatricehart5614]

The work you put into this🙌 Bless you🙏

[@charlybrown5264]

Wowow too good again!!! Kim shout out to you, nailed it again learned so much - such a good commentary on this topic!!!

[@llamacj]

Thank you. This was helpful.

[@phats3225]

This was so good. Came from your personal channel and was so happy to find a long video. Love your takes, perspectives, knowledge, and personality 💜

[@tobiakanamoya4671]

This was a sermon! Preach Kim!

[@Shemashay]

I think this discussion ONLY applies to black women or possibly women of color. It DOESNT apply to WW. Kim and family, Pamela Anderson, Marilyn Monroe, many others

[@rejectionisprotection4448]

Yes, it's the Black Manosphere (BM) that Brittany Renner was appealing to. One BM guy (can't remember who) said that WW don't go into "hoe rehab" only BW do.

[@mshill2406]

I really enjoyed this discussion. I especially liked seeing the comments on both sides of the fence because women had good arguments for it.

[@MrzGodivaCouture]

My dad said i love you for the first time ever so it was a memorable lovely day

[@Kelseaofficial]

This was very interesting Kimberly Loved it✨