"Former Atheist" FAILS to Defend Vague God Concept! Matt Dillahunty + Dave Warnock

[@tims8603]

Right before Matt said "You just said nothing" I was thinking exactly that.

[@dj_menyo839]

Hell. The whole damn call. Dude didn't say a damn meaningful thing. I swear it's like listening to a severe ADHD kid who didn't take meds while trying to tell a story....😅😅😅😅

[@GameTimeWhy]

​@@dj_menyo839kind of like a hyper toddler.

[@FourDeuce01]

@@dj_menyo839 Yeah, in a room full of squirrels running around.😂

[@DaveCM]

Right before he said that, I was thinking, "This is painful to listen to."

[@FourDeuce01]

@@DaveCM People often accuse Matt of getting angry or frustrated with these callers too quickly, but I often wish he’d hang up on some of these people faster. After they keep trying to go around in the same circles 5 or 6 times, I don’t think there’s much chance they’ll come up with anything rational.

[@declanreilly6611]

I'm so confused, he admits to living a "95% godless" life and decided to just stick a god in there for the hell of it? What is the actual point? Bizarre

[@BasilAbdef]

Ego. "God" gives his life and actions special weight that it otherwise would not have.

[@DueJustice4ever]

Likely adaptation. Having a god belief helps you fit in and potentially grants you access to opportunities among god believers.

[@joelheinen7625]

L’homme est tres bizarre, n’est pas?

[@BaronVonQuiply]

I'm reminded of the caller who said they were a totes atheist who called out to Jesus one night for reasons, because that's a thing people do... call out to gods they don't believe in as if they "know" they're there.

[@jeremyarcus-goldberg9543]

He is likely struggling because he is interested in his family's heritage and Jewish culture and he doesn't want to dismiss that part of himself.

[@rcblazer]

To be fair "Don't ever listen to Jordan Peterson." is just sound advice for anybody.

[@cajunking5987]

How’s that? Jordan Peterson has great advice for a lot of things. The only times he’s wrong is when it comes to religion. Which isn’t what he mostly talks about.

[@ericwilliams1659]

​@cajunking5987 as long as you understand Jordan Peterson is wrong, we can still fix you.

[@GameTimeWhy]

​@@cajunking5987his religion talk is horrendous. His psychology talk is not great but it does speak to a very specific demographic.

[@cajunking5987]

@@GameTimeWhy “men” isn’t very specific

[@cajunking5987]

@@ericwilliams1659 fix? Sounds religious.

[@MrAndywear]

Anyone who says "that's my truth" is not to be taken too seriously.

[@cherylmcelveen2817]

Ain't that the truth? There is The truth and then there's what so many people put forward as their truth. There exists only The Truth.

[@ejflor1313]

*Paul Pierce has entered the chat

[@SecularStrategy]

Liev didn't understand the word "meaning," didn't understand the word "God," and didn't understand the word "goodbye."

[@freddan6fly]

Neither did he understand the word "truth".

[@chuckm1961]

Might want to look in the mirror about who is taking the word "god" and forcing it into a tiny little box of absurdity. Do you also beat up old people and steal from children? Mocking and attacking a fundamentalist view of "god" is just like that. Easy pickings. This caller was struggling with a more nuanced view of what "god" means. Too much for your tiny brain to ponder?

[@Studio732JRL-k7y]

Neither did he understand the rest of what he listened to for the three years he spent in fourth grade. The fact that these people not only exist everywhere in society, but are also supposedly "raising" children, is (not only disheartening but also) outright terrifying.

[@superfly2449]

It takes an unbelievably special kind of guy to be an atheist who decides after many years that theism makes sense.

[@FourDeuce01]

Apparently it takes the kind of guy who never learned that when he claims something makes sense he should be able to show how it makes sense.🤡

[@patrickflanagan3762]

It's probably (definitely) an unfair stereotype but in my experience, late-life conversions from atheism to belief are usually venereal. People fall in love with someone who's religious and just decide, consciously or subconsciously, that converting means they're likelier to keep sleeping with that person

[@yvito125]

Simone Biles level of mental gymnastics....

[@nitehawk86]

Who is to say he became an atheist for good reasons. Some people are easily swayed by dumb arguments, and I have heard dumb arguments for atheism. Which is amazing, since there are so many GOOD reasons for it, I don't see why people sometimes cling to the dumb ones.

[@vilicus77]

Yep, It takes a "special" person who believes after admitting that, "I don't have the best arguments."

[@georgem2334]

I have rich meaning and appreciation of life. No supernatural entity required or desired.

[@andersandersen6295]

This should NEVER take 30 minutes.

[@Peter_Wendt]

Dave and Matt were being very charitable.

[@jshaers96]

Despite Matt's reputation as a fiery bomb thrower, he often lets callers meander on far too long to try and get some sense out of them, but I have never heard that happen yet.

[@MrCool-lo3ls]

@@jshaers96 He does have that reputation, but I think it is very misplaced, considering the ammount of bad faith callers and the fact that there are many other callers whose time is being wasted with BS. But it is just so satisfying when he calls them out. This never happens with respectful and honest callers.

[@andersandersen6295]

Well it for sure is a waste of my time to let the caller go on and on, when we know the outcome.@@jshaers96

[@bruvvamoff]

I think the days when we had an endless supply of crazy southern bible basher callers are gone and now they need to drag the calls out.

[@meloveAi]

In case anyone wonders where the anger comes from: Liev: Religion adds meaning Liev later: It adds no meaning

[@overdogsonly]

God adds no meaning, but thinking about God does. Liev never contradicted himself.

[@meloveAi]

@@overdogsonly I disagree? Is thinking about this topic and the topic itself both dependent on the person's own mental musings, which is essentially the same thing? So if the caller were to say it adds meaning, yet adds no meaning, how is it not contradictory?

[@overdogsonly]

@@meloveAi There's a difference between a thing, and thinking about a thing. For example, humans have no inherent value, but thinking about ethics can provide us with a meaningful way to think about how to interact with others. Another example, a dollar bill is just a piece of paper with ink on it, but economics is basically what makes our world function.

[@meloveAi]

@@overdogsonly If such is the case, then Liev has still contradicted? Because should the correct statement be the thought of religion and not religion itself? And do you agree that humans have no inherent value? Do you believe ethics gives humans value? Or is it not just agreements and compromises as to our treatment of each other, regardless of our inherent value?

[@overdogsonly]

@@meloveAi Ok so 1) I'm simply defining religion in this case as "thinking about God." So no I don't think it's a contradiction to say that thinking about God is separate from the actual entity God. Think of an atheist theologian to demonstrate the difference. 2) I think that "inherent value" is actually an oxymoron (I think I may have even gotten that from Mr. Dillahunty) because all value is basically a negotiation between parties. Even my own self-worth is negotiated by my conflicting internal desires in a way.

[@CceddieH]

At 9:18 when he said GREAT! After Matt asked a question, I knew this call would be like every other. Most theists do this thing where they just wait to talk and don’t listen to what the opposing side is saying, because deep down they have zero interest in learning the flaws in their beliefs. It is very frustrating.

[@FighterDoken]

Yeah this is a really clear tell. He wasn't listening, he was waiting to talk.

[@CBT5777]

In all fairness, Matt said he wasn't a "Theist" The caller said he was a Pantheist. Well, why do they call it Pan"theism" if he is not a theist?

[@wabbajack2]

If I knew I was going to have to talk to someone like Liev for half an hour, I'd want to be drunk.

[@oscargordon]

This is a guy for Sir Sic.

[@John.0z]

Alcohol would not be enough for me. I know of _nothing_ that would keep me within hearing of the twit.

[@johnsperry9494]

I'm on my way!

[@smartbart80]

“It just makes you happy” that’s such a great rephrasing of “deeper meaning” :) Matt is basically trying to pull this guy back to reality.

[@cherylmcelveen2817]

Those people want nothing to do with reality. I was born into a family of them. What they really want is to play God. Spoiler alert: The courts are on their side. Courts want to play God as well. Ever wondered why the US court system is so incredibly corrupt? Now you know. They're members of the same club that these freaks are a part of. It's very, very lucrative.

[@DampeS8N]

Liev reminds me of a ton of Jews I know that grew up atheist and were _casually atheist_ the way that many Christians are, where they just didn't really think about it much and then one day decided to think about these things and because their parents just left them to figure this out on their own they were totally unequipped to ask the right questions and fell back into theism. Didn't happen to me because my parents made sure I learned how to think.

[@UncommonSense-wm5fd]

Lol Growing up in a Jewish household would preclude atheism by default, there is little to no chance you knew anyone who grew up in a Jewish household that had an atheist viewpoint.

[@TheTruthKiwi]

Give your folks a hug from me dude, they did great 😊

[@ttthecat]

Exactly! They are really lucky!🤗​@@TheTruthKiwi

[@WoRMaSTeR64]

I find these "god is everything" people just insufferable. All it does is confuse people to call everything something that has a pretty different meaning to a lot of people. It adds absolutely nothing.

[@marcomoreno6748]

I immediately ask them if dog shit is a part of god 😂 shuts them up.

[@ericanderson7346]

Russell Brand does that

[@TheTruthKiwi]

100%. Totally asinine nonsense

[@davidmorris1473]

Go Dave & Matt! I really like to listen to what you have to say!🤗👍💯😎

[@Awakened_Mucacha]

It is exactly like a child trying to prove to you that their imaginary friend is real. If that sounds offensive to you, ah well, because I'm not wrong.

[@fionaskittle]

I'm really heartened to know that Dave is still with us, I remember his early appearences on Atheist Experience and always found them very thoughtful and inspirational. ❤

[@Columbiastargazer]

caller lost the little credibility he could possibly have at "sinner" ( 0:55 )

[@ValiantFerguson]

👌👌👌

[@jetjazz05]

then he has the guts to lowkey diss them saying if he hangs up his daughter's attention is more important lol... ok. well if she's so important maybe should've saved your theistic rambling for another day, bud. I'm not saying that your children aren't more important than calling into a show, clearly that's the case... but you don't have to announce it so bluntly, could've easily left it at apologies if I end the call I'm keeping an eye on my child.

[@barbiedahl]

​@@jetjazz05he's a tool, like the vast majority of theists who call in.

[@TalmudAtheistsHolyBook]

Unfortunately for the atheist humanist and anybody around them is there garbage philosophy of do as thou Wilt and the ends justify the means hasn't worked out too well. Outside of atheistic Communist governments AKA Communist governments like North Korea the next largest representation for atheism and it's humanism is the LGBT community. Not exactly a beacon of Hope. Highest AIDS rate. Highest homelessness and drug use. Highest mental illness and suicide. It's number of people who were both victims and victimizers about child and adult rape. And let's not forget the newest addition to the cult severely mutilated children because of gender faith. Every atheistic communist government without exception has been communist. The killed more of their own citizens in the last century than all of the civilizations combined since written word. And this doesn't include the countless forced abortions on women. Meanwhile Christians created modern Western Civilization the greatest civilization in the history of mankind We've given women more rights than any other philosophy by far. Not even easiest one to live under their Godless Utopias they'd rather live under what Christians created and that's modern Western Civilization.

[@UncommonSense-wm5fd]

@@jetjazz05 Nah the child was his escape route, this guy is gutless and lacks conviction, he was never an atheist.

[@cottonroberts179]

This guy just enjoys talking.

[@donnievance1942]

It goes beyond that: he is a guy who is deeply committed to ambiguity, both in thought and speech. For some reason he wants to be able to say he believes in God, but realizes he can't defend that except through creating a formless mush of terms that can't be nailed down to specific meanings.

[@rG1vZ]

​@@donnievance1942so basically jordan peterson's spawn lol

[@mytmouse57]

@@rG1vZ Indeed. I thought I really liked listening to myself talk. But then I watched a video of Peterson, and realized he is the all-time grand master samurai of that particular skill, and I will never be on his level.

[@joemiller7082]

This call is infuriating. Matt is right. He says a TON of words and says literally nothing. I kept wondering to myself what he’s *actually* thinking instead of what he said. Because he could just say “pretending god exists makes me feel good” in like 5 seconds. Then they could end the call there.

[@joseelizondo8028]

Jordan Peterson syndrome is contagious

[@blackmask-xb8yq]

What is Jordan Peterson syndrome?

[@joseelizondo8028]

@blackmask-xb8yq talk too much and saying nothing clearly

[@blackmask-xb8yq]

And how does Jordan Peterson do that?

[@joseelizondo8028]

@@blackmask-xb8yq haven't you seen him on debates?

[@odinson6348]

​@@blackmask-xb8yq Just speaking.

[@Nymaz]

18:00 I think that's the heart of this guy's thinking. He has found subjective meaning in some thing(s) and for whatever reason (I could go on about society's expectations, but some other time), he feels like that's not enough. He feels like subjective meaning is insufficient. So he is desperate to assign a "deeper" meaning to those subjective feelings that bring him pleasure. In this case by the vague "God" concept.

[@ThePurpleOwl]

Judaism lost me when I realized that circumcision is nothing more than genital mutilation.

[@ericwilliams1659]

I never understood why the Christians support these types of unnecessary surgery on kids.

[@NickDe3]

@@ericwilliams1659and then they turn around and condemn trans people for getting genital surgery. It’s like they only hate it when people consent.

[@oscargordon]

But how else can you show you are one of Yahweh's chosen people??? F-ing parents have condemned me to be bound to that moral monster.

[@paddlefar9175]

@@oscargordonMakes me wonder if they had to pull their pants down before a fellow Jew would do business with them. Same thing with the cross wearing for Christians. It’s a way to discriminate against the “ Thems”

[@noone3216]

What makes it worse is when you learn that the rabbi's saliva is believed to have healing properties, and so after the child's genitals have been mutilated, the rabbi puts his mouth on them 😑

[@soulbeatzmajor]

If confused was a person.

[@TimelyAbyss]

30 minutes! I listened to 30 minutes of one dude just saying “I like the idea of god so imma believe it”

[@richardmckissick4471]

Wow these guys are showing a lot of patience

[@Quackers6]

Sending love and hugs to Dave Warnock, you are awesome 🤗

[@wilmerwalton5089]

I don't care what's true, all I care about is the warm and fuzzy feeling I get when I fantasize about unreasonable supernatural BS. "Life is but a state of mind" ... (so I can walk on water). --Being There, Peter Sellers

[@colinellicott9737]

Being there. Great movie. That concise ending explains the movie and so much more, except magic isn't.

[@wilmerwalton5089]

@@colinellicott9737 Magical thinking is a state of mind.

[@sparki9085]

Ill never understand the people who claim physics is god

[@barbiedahl]

It's the only claim they can provide evidence for. It doesn't prove a god exists, it just proves that physics exists. I know, it's silly.

[@MiserableMuon]

Yeah, I did get a guy claiming God was quantum physics, when I try to explain to another guy that it seems like quarks to pull other quarks out of thin void. I told him then, "did God create himself" since, according to you God created everything. And the laws of physics are made by God according to Christians. And also told him, God is an agent, not being itself.

[@kentonbaird1723]

I can: They're at the point where they're just bloody EMBARASSED to be put in the same category as the primitive "magical-god" believers , They're at the point where they have to admit that science makes every valid point, and so they try desperately to ram the last tether they have to their pre-convinced religion into the science spot to keep a hold of it. They're trying to MAKE their nonsense slightly more logically by tying it to the back of the proven and provable. It's a matter of desperation for them.

[@brucebaker810]

Yes. Such a sillh person. When, clearly, Biology is God.

[@Claudi333]

Congratulations, magnificent show!🍎

[@Rob_Jacobs]

Dave looks like he could not be more bored with this farce of an argument 🤣

[@zachreads]

I'm shocked Matt lasted as long as he did, this was sooo bad.

[@brucebaker810]

Dave has less time to waste.

[@ACAB.forcutie]

"They will question the very nature of reality before they acknowledge they're full of shit" that's literally every theist that's ever called into one of these shows 😂

[@robertschriek1353]

You can identify a theist by 1. Talks a lot 2. Can’t listen 3. Can’t answer a yes or no question

[@LittleRedDorrit-lc5cm]

Good to see Dave Warnock is still active and speaking out.

[@atheist-karate-guy]

Dave is awesome….

[@elgatosamurai9517]

Caller was confused at first and still is 🤣

[@Meganstoy]

"What i think god is, is an emerging process from the dynamic interactions of all the different systems in the universe" - We already have a word for that, it's Nature.

[@w0nder1070]

I think the most difficult thing to overcome is deprogramming the fear-based doctrine that has been forced-fed since birth that a specific religion is "the one" and if you do so and so you're going to go to this terrible place because this deity doesn't like you anymore, so don't do those things this deity doesn't like. Oh, there is also a list of other things too you should worry about and be fearful about. Fear is the ultimate control and getting away from that is difficult.

[@kudamah]

Damn... u guys are really patient. My tolerance is too low to run in circles with ppl like this.

[@MG-ot2yr]

None of his reasons are that he actually believes in the Jewish god. He likes to study, ok so do I but I don't need to adopt a religion to do that, in fact you have a more objective view by not adopting any organized religion.

[@guytheincognito4186]

True. Religious belief is like the Blinders for horses. Designed to only let you see what they want you to as not to distract from the goal of following along. Looking at history, anything even with a religious lense will be fairly limiting to put it lightly.

[@overdogsonly]

Liev says in the call that belief in God is not a requirement for having an objective view of reality.

[@guytheincognito4186]

@@overdogsonly It's not nor could be, but they all certainly act as it is.

[@overdogsonly]

@@guytheincognito4186 Correct, unless God is just a sort of Spinozist/Pantheist word game that Liev is playing.

[@bsharp55]

Did the caller admit his god is a placebo?

[@slickandslaycious6579]

Sounded like he was saying it’s a useful metaphor to extract meaning from believers and translate it into advice for himself. Which still means he’s and atheist/atheistic-pantheist

[@bsharp55]

@@slickandslaycious6579 So, a sugar coated placebo.

[@slickandslaycious6579]

@@bsharp55 not quite, because he was actually using it as a mechanism to acquire knowledge or at least suggestions on morality and philosophy. So because of that I can't in good conscience just regard it as being a big amount of nothing

[@aralornwolf3140]

@@slickandslaycious6579, All of which he can just... not have religion in the mix.... as _religion_ isn't needed to figure out morality and philosophy...

[@slickandslaycious6579]

@@aralornwolf3140 ....uuuummmm.... I think there is a thin line there in that religion as a cultural framework and set of habits, can be life improving.... However religion, as a belief set around supernatural events and beings, is not needed. So considering both defs have been tied together, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth as well.

[@izzyreel6730]

18:28 Liev just said ‘ my actions have consequences’ Hey .. good on ya for reporting that!

[@heiyuall]

My meaning of life is making efforts to give a good life and a good future to children. “I was a soldier so my son could be a farmer so my grandson could be an artist.”

[@MrYelly]

Only three things would cause an atheist to become theist; 1 family ties 2 irrational fear 3 confusion Liev is a strong case of number three.

[@bradzimmerman3171]

Super brainwashed, indoctrinated and delusional

[@crumbtember]

irrational response to fear maybe. I agree with your other points, and would add being manipulated or uneducated, or having some kind of significant head injury. cause, like, the fear of dying and pain and loss and all that makes sense, it's the resort to belief in a sweet lord in the sky that is irrational haha. hope that makes sense.

[@jeremyarcus-goldberg9543]

Strong case of number 1 because he has a feeling of connecting with a larger family tree of Jewish heritage. That is why he enjoys studying Jewish texts and isn't concerned about a cohesive God concept.

[@brucebaker810]

4. Sufficient evidence. Or you're just a cynic.

[@pseudohuman2645]

I’m impressed at how long Matt went without interrupting lol

[@dennisconstantine624]

Sounds like a first year student of William Lane Graig.

[@johnsperry9494]

When a Theist becomes an Atheist, people ask, why did you lose your faith? When an Atheist becomes a Theist, I ask, why did you lose your reason?

[@TheZombieSaints]

Jeez, Great audio guys! I've really noticed the last few videos I've watched. It's better by magnitudes I think. Not that it was terrible before, totally understandable, But now! Wow great work

[@MrNeildavies3]

No such think as a former Atheist, just does not make sense. It's like the Matrix there's no going back

[@donnievance1942]

Hey, you're leaving out the possibility of brain damage.

[@mytmouse57]

I'm sure you'd like to think that, but it happens all the time. Likewise, Christians will claim people who left Christianity and became atheists were never "real Christians" to begin with. Christianity and atheism both seem to include a lot of people who really like to think they're the exclusive cool kids club.

[@MrNeildavies3]

@@mytmouse57 I disagree, when you grill these so called former Atheists you always find that they were a believer before and its strange that they always go back to the same religion.

[@mytmouse57]

@@MrNeildavies3 I didn't.

[@thedeebo410]

I think it's more important that it seems he was not a skeptic. I can see someone without skeptical critical thinking skills vascillating between believing and not believing in gods. _My_ problem with apologists who try using that as an evangelizing technique is when they try to claim they were "just like you". They weren't, and aren't, because they're not skeptics.

[@ingobordewick6480]

"it makes me happy!" Heroine does that too.

[@oscargordon]

Easy my friend. Chocolate works fine too.

[@ewg6200]

That's what makes her a heroine?

[@chrissilver7719]

Deist word salad on steroids

[@RhythmBulzara]

When he says, "my daughter is more important than this call." duh, but you are the one who called.

[@MrMamfbr]

Yeah, I was like, so call another time if you can't give the proper time and respect

[@medmahdibouallegui6476]

This guy was never an atheist, not a convinced one anyway. He said his parents were atheists and he picked it up while growing up and it stuck with him, sortof like a family tradition. He also said in search of meaning he's finding out theism makes more sense which further prives my point that he wasn't really a convinced atheist because a convinced atheist would know that theism would never make more sense intellectually, only emotionally.

[@rasol-007]

May be he was an apatheist.

[@skepticsinister]

Theists should NEVER say they use to be atheists, it immediately undermines credibility.

[@keithnicholas]

I think this is what happens when you reason things through in your own head and don't have good critical thinking skills to "test" the robustness of your thoughts, it often falls apart when you start trying to explain it to someone else (which is one good way to test your thoughts). Just gets a bit embarrassing when you do that on a live call in show that records you for all of history....

[@TheTruthKiwi]

😂😂😂 Too true man 😅

[@topgunaudio7983]

This is a person you can put the phone on the table, walk away and make a cup of coffee, pick up the phone again and nothing missed.

[@k45207]

4:06 did I just hear this guy what we should be doing with our lives is thinking about what we should doing with our lives… I’m shocked Matt didn’t just hang up right here.

[@acejenkina8472]

People just can’t accept the fact that we go back into non existence at the point of death…. The same place we came from… why is it so hard to accept.. it’s that damn simple.. the only reason it feels like you have a purpose is because now that we don’t have to fight our existence like we did in the early stages of human development, we have the time to sit down and contemplate having a place in the universe..

[@nedzadbadnjevic6885]

I said only"WOW".What the hell.

[@charvakaelysium2414]

The Jordan Peterson virus is spreading.

[@GameTimeWhy]

I think it's actually diminishing overall.

[@noone3216]

Years back, the guy I was working for said to me, "have you ever listened to Jordan peterson? He's really smart like you and uses lots of words that are too complicated for me to understand but I reckon you'd be able to follow what he says.." So I listened to a Jordan peterson video that afternoon, and realised instantly that he isn't actually saying anything. Just lots of complicated phrasing to confuse listeners and give the impression of intelligence. Word salad at its finest. The next day I went in to work and told him not to bother listening to Jordan peterson.

[@arthurunknown8972]

"Making more sense" means the lie makes me feel better & the truth makes me feel uncomfortable.

[@Prof.TiagoBSantana]

I am saving this video for my critical thinking class as an example of how not to talk meaningfully.

[@DanBatemanBlack]

I don't think he actual stopped believing or doesn't understand what an atheist is. I was born in a cult (FLDS) and didn't believe in a god. But I did not know what an Atheist was and that I was in my belief actually considered or labeled "Atheist" until actually being introduced to what that meant. And It's my belief you don't think your an atheist you know,. You just know.

[@sabin1166]

Dishonesty is the hallmark of many believer's!

[@joannalamb4542]

I don’t care what people think as long as it does not hurt others, but it amazes me that people actually think there is a god considering god was a way to control using fear and fleece it’s parishioners. It’s also funny how people that don’t believe in god don’t care what others think, but so many so called Christian’s get mad at people that don’t believe in a ghost.

[@mikefoster6018]

8 minutes into this video and I still have no idea what this guy is saying. He just describes background. Sounds like a guy who got spiritual because his personality is all daydreamy.

[@TalmudAtheistsHolyBook]

It's not easy to debate an atheist Because atheist have a disbelief in God AKA an unwillingness or inability to accept God is true. But on top of this they don't even believe the origins of I came into existence without God. So you debating a person who couldn't or wouldn't accept God as true even if God was proven by the scientific method but yet that person doesn't believe the origins of Life came into existence without God. It's not like Matt is going to debate the results of modern Western Civilization AKA Christian civilization versus the result of atheistic human civilization AKA communism.

[@johnsperry9494]

Sin is an artificial disease, made to sell you an imaginary cure.

[@Imperial-Socialist]

Would be nice if there was a comprehensive list of what is a sin. Seems that sins are just behaviour that theists don't like.

[@redpillpusher]

1:16 nice little passive aggressive jab there 😂

[@cottonroberts179]

I thought the same thing. What a little b!tch thing to say.

[@ibisiglesias6906]

🤣😂🤣

[@johntuel2375]

Yay! My 2 favorite hosts!

[@Hitstirrer]

This is one fuzzy brain at work. Talk about overthinking things. This guy has cornered the market.

[@stevenread5473]

Theism makes so much sense, because I can invent an imaginary being that tells me what to do through a proxy at my local church instead of just loving my family and friends and enjoying life to the fullest without my imaginary friend. I suspect this guy has no friends other than the ones he meets at the cult hangout.

[@paulq0246]

Whenever my family sends me "Former Atheist" videos I just troll them with their christian logic: They were never a true Atheist

[@rasol-007]

Most ex-apatheists usually claim that they were atheists

[@jetjazz05]

"if i have to hang up suddenly it's because im watching my daughter, her attention is more important than yours" I would've hit back with a "no problem, bud, you're far from the most interesting caller today." It's not that saying that isn't true, but does it need to be said? Do you need to be 1 1/2 minutes into rambling to dish out a petty insult?

[@gordonlynn8300]

so why did he call ? by his own words , her attention is more important .

[@brucebaker810]

It was a virtue signal. The insult was just an acceptable byproduct.

[@brucebaker810]

Imagine. If she'd had a boo boo and he'd had to hang up early. We'd all be on a different timeline. How's THAT for Meaning and Significance, Liev? Happy now?

[@Nancy20012]

Meaning is subjective but my meaning is true for me similarly god is true for me therefore god is true Whaat???😂

[@jasonspades1265]

THUMBS UP if Matt can't do enough debates to satisfy us!!! We want more and more!

[@DigitalWraith]

20:26 I love these moments when Matt brings the hammer down on someone who thinks they proved their point.

[@MrCanis4]

To me, this was a lot of word salad swirling around in a glass bowl.

[@jamesy52]

I fucking love Dave! The world is going to be a darker place when he dies.

[@gou0630]

Cantinflas would be proud of this guy

[@amf8551]

Cantiflas the Mexican actor...great reference!

[@robertbrotherton2541]

All I want to ask "former atheists" is, when did you stop using logic and reason to interact with reality?

[@whiterunguard1434]

Its always fear. The idea of there being no inherent meaning to life and reality with the possibility of no afterlife is too much for some people to handle.

[@robertbrotherton2541]

@@whiterunguard1434 I live in fear every day that someone will steal my sweet roll or I'll take an arrow to the knew but that doesn't make me worship Talos.

[@whiterunguard1434]

@@robertbrotherton2541 As you should. Talos can't save you from me

[@MatthewChang-rq1bu]

I have no belief in god or gods

[@casualnerd8139]

If something does not have an attribute, it also doesn't have the property of existing, making it... what exactly?

[@The1980Philip]

Is this an older episode? This sounded very familiar.

[@nagranoth_]

They've been repeating the same nonsense for 2 millennia so...

[@cmbr.]

Sounds like new parent confusion. It's a thing

[@jsuedath]

"Put the bong down". lol

[@arkdark5554]

"There’s no such thing, 'oh it’s true for me.' No, that means it’s not true." Agreed 100% with you, Matt.

[@utes5532]

Man, 30 minutes to end up with "I don't believe in a god and the concept of a god adds no value to reality"

[@rippedtorn2310]

So one ancient story, that's gone through countless translations of translations based on even older stories transmitted orally, that ancient story!, which during bronze age became the doctrine of an every increasingly powerful authoritarian patriarchal priest class ...this story is the one thats convinced this guy that the truth comes from this ....

[@oscargordon]

I found a lot of meaning in "My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic". It is far superior to anything that this guy ever read in any of the idiotic stuff he has read.

[@rafaelallenblock]

Ashley Babbit puts to rest the theory that people never bet their lives on an obvious lie.

[@johncunningham739]

I became an Atheist because of the theorem over theology every time. The bayesian theorem of faith and belief over the emotional attachment to whatever.

[@BURRRRPPPPPOOP]

At least we know how this guy gets his child to sleep, Christ some people just love the sound of their own voice!

[@Wolf.51.50]

Alright, let's write it down: "What i think god is, is an emerging process from the dynamic interactions of all the different systems in the universe". Cool. Now, i'm italian, and here we have a special word to describe what he did there, and the word is "Supercazzola" 😂😂😂 Basically what it is, is an uncomprehensible, meaningless word salad, made up to confuse the interlocutor and make him think you're saying something, when you're actually saying absolutely nothing. That's what he did there: a big fat Supercazzola! 😂

[@donnievance1942]

I agree that the guy is a vague, mushy thinker, but if you look at what he said, it is entirely parallel to the way materialist philosophers try to "explain" consciousness in the organism: "Consciousness is an emergent property arising from the dynamic interactions of all the different systems of the brain." I think that both those statements are nonsense. (But please don't leap to the conclusion that I'm a dualist or vitalist; I'm not.) Emergent properties are behaviors-- they don't necessarily entail the concept of consciousness at all. A thermostatically controlled heating system has at least one emergent property: it keeps a house at a relatively stable temperature. But there is no inherent reason that we should attribute consciousness to the system. And there is no inherent reason that we should accept Liev's idea that the dynamic interactions of the different systems of universe give rise to an emergent consciousness we would call "God," or that the dynamic interactions of the systems of the brain are the explanation of consciousness. The emergent properties of the brain may entail computation or intellection, but that is not synonymous with consciousness. My own ideas about consciousness are too involved for me to have the patience to go into here, but I just wanted to point out that both statements I mentioned are equally woo-woo nonsense.

[@oscargordon]

Oh man, now I'm hungry for supercazzola!

[@Wolf.51.50]

@@oscargordon 😂😂😂

[@Wolf.51.50]

@@oscargordon The word actually comes from an italian movie from the 70s called "Amici Miei" (meaning "my Friends"), telling the story of a group of pranksters friends, where this guy (played by actor Ugo Tognazzi) used to do the "supercazzola". The character's name is "Raffaello Mascetti", and he's real legendary here in Italy, along with the movie trilogy "Amici Miei" 😉

[@petercollier9073]

On the caller’s opening comment: “Oh sorry I may have to hang up on you suddenly because I’m taking care of my daughter and her attention is more important than yours,” and the host’s response that that’s fair, I have a comment: The caller seems silly and selfish and needs to be taught manners. Where were your parents all your life? They didn’t teach you manners? I have more than one daughter and I take care of both of them even while I’m working and yet I never need to tell up front to the people I’m speaking to that I may hang up on them because other people are more important than them, that would be rude, boorish, stupid and weird. Seems the Bible, in this case I guess the Old Testament, is not a good help in guiding people toward being good people. Also, as I was writing this text, I wasn’t listening

[@nina1608]

This sounds much like the argument my confirmation instructor was giving for the existence of God - the meaning of life rests in the Knowledge of Truth and the Action of Good (he was a Jesuit theologian preparing for his first university appointment and had read a lot of Neo-Thomistic literature). When I asked him to explain what that meant (hello there, Matt!) he started professing to his own wonder at existence and joy of breathing, essentially. Maybe that was the moment when I realized that the religious stuff was just too vague for my brain.

[@michaeldynesdynesis3534]

By staying away from me, the Levi's of this world have stopped me from becoming a serial killer.

[@jeremyarcus-goldberg9543]

He sounds interested in his family's heritage and Jewish culture and he doesn't want to dismiss that part of himself. This type of thinking is not likely changed by rational arguments.

[@david-pb4bi]

Obviously no other callers that time.

[@TheBeatle49]

The Torah is very profound, but it's not literally true.

[@ArenHill]

For me, one of the great things about being an atheist is not having a mind so tortured of overcomplicated thoughts. I'd hate to live a day as this guy.