FORZA HORIZON 5 vs REAL LIFE Car Exhaust SOUNDS Direct Comparison! 🔊 *PART 2*

[@NM2255]

Make sure to check out the PART 1 of this video ⏩ kzbin.info/www/bejne/fGK4mKGNr7SBbdE

[@whatiwant8898]

I see everyone complaining that the cars aren't 100% accurate and I'm just here happy that they're actually accurate enough to be pleasant to listen to. The only time I'll expect a game to be 100% accurate in car sounds is if they have under 100 cars. FH5 has over 500 cars I think? I'm happy with mostly accurate sounds that are at least pleasant to listen to.

[@denzelryan8409]

i relate to you a lot on this one

[@Raph.le.pianiste]

Le problème c'est pas qu'ils sont pas précis mais ils sont à mon goût, trop artificiel et pas assez naturel

[@emanuelesias4056]

Cars are accurate I'd say at 90-95%. The problem is that the real life cars shown in the vide are 90% mapped or have custom exhaust systems that make them sound different. People actually think those are the sounds of the stock cars, but in most cases they are not.

[@soujaunlimited]

AGREED they deserve some slack

[@soujaunlimited]

@@emanuelesias4056 TRUE

[@Duvstep910]

I wish they added the pops and crackles from the actual cars instead of the same default pop sound. Might as well they just added the raw sounds they recorded to the game without processing them so much

[@deadlyrobot5179]

And the thing is that adding the pops and crackles is the easiest part, there are VST plugins out there that can extract, clean up and create variations of a sound in no time. The fact that they didn't fix this shit in the last 3 game pisses me off.

[@XxSniperFiendxX]

I agree bro

[@MattPlayz2001]

well if they have enough people to request that on their forum page we could fix this, sadly this is just looked upon and not seen by many, so the devs don't see it as important which is unfortunate.

[@Moh-cs5ck]

I actually don't believe they recorded all the sounds like come on maybe a few cars.

[@wdowa94]

Dynamic range is a problem. Look at Codemasters games (Dirt 2, 3, Rally, Rally 2.0, All Grid ones) how they mastered the sound environments

[@iamaldonerit]

wtf with people who complain about the sounds, for me they are the best sounds implemented in a video game, they are pure and not synthesized or taken from a video like the asseto corsa mods, apart from complaining that the sound is flat, believe me Recreating the sound of an engine is very complicated since the engine does not have a fixed sound and changes depending on the gears and other issues that make up the car, I think this is the game has the most successful sounds at present, I better not know complain, just enjoy all the work that I take behind to bring us the game

[@AgentCookie1432]

ffs thank you. they're not perfect, but a HUGE improvement. implementing real car sounds and having it match an rpm based on a player input is not as easy as it sounds. all these stupid mfs should try making a racing game. ESPECIALLY with the 500+ cars currently in the game

[@zeddx516]

Ikr? I totally see this as an improvement from fh4...like how is it shitty?yea some cars might not sounds accurate but atleast they dont sound too computerize like in fh4

[@chinodigitalbath]

Considering the amount of cars in this game I am very happy about the sound improvements. This game is a blast and the best part in the series, a masterpiece.

[@Reddit_daily12]

You have any idea of how it runs on series s

[@chinodigitalbath]

@@Reddit_daily12 i would recommend checking out the channel "digital foundry", they made a detailed comparison of each system if I remember correctly. 😀

[@Reddit_daily12]

@@chinodigitalbath thanks m8 🙏

[@alexgreg152]

@@Reddit_daily12 I have series s and it runs extremely smooth in performance mode. Quality mode is good too but it's locked at 30fps. Overhaull the game looks fantastic on series s or x, these two versions are almost the same.

[@trombulan]

Definitely not the best thus not a masterpiece. It's good.

[@revelare_xvii6269]

It’s definitely an upgrade from FH4, but there’s a lot of room for improvement.

[@TheS50b30]

I disagree..fh4 had better sounds...new forza is utterly diassappointing on many car sounds

[@Bekkies17]

@@TheS50b30 You’re drunk go home, most FH4 cars sounded like vacuums with only a few exceptions

[@manlymantis101]

@@TheS50b30 that’s just not true at all lol

[@Roadwarrior92]

@@manlymantis101 yes it is

[@manlymantis101]

@@Roadwarrior92 bruh have you even played FH4? Some of the car sounds are so god awful they may as well be from a mobile game.

[@R8andGT3Fan]

The AMG GT R surprised me. They finally put a realistic sound instead of a generic V8. GT-R and M5 E39 are very nice too! The other sounds are just fine, I think...

[@genocide1923]

They actully did a decent job on E39 M5. I think the in game sound is kind of close to the real sound even then the video-comapared one.

[@romanianbear8873]

The other day I've installed Forza Horizon 2 on my Xbox so I can make a difference between 2 and 5...but I think fh2 still has the best engine sound

[@3nd4tom1c8]

E39 is the most embarrassing one... Altho its hard to replicate such a magnificent noise

[@carlomendoza6173]

Dude 520+ cars, sound accurate enough, have amazing detail, you can even improve the sounds changing some of the exhaust system on each one of them and admission. Like ,come on ppl, they did an amazing job xD, this is a real improvement over FH4, and maybe, without nostalgia, any other Forza Horizon

[@ElChapoDel8]

This type of games need to improve the sounds a LOT! I think they are in a point that they need to focus on that part because the graphics and the overall gameplay of this kind of games are really good.

[@deadlyrobot5179]

Yeah, I installed FH4 to cruse around the map and enjoy the Engine sounds, got disappointed and depressed in 3 days and uninstalled the game.

[@SwanDrives]

That was one of the huge focuses of this game was to improve the sounds. Compare them to FH4, there is a vast improvement. They still could be better, but in a game with 500+ cars, the fact that they’re decent at all is impressive

[@deadlyrobot5179]

@@SwanDrives 'but in a game with 500+ cars' That's my biggest problem with this game, they went for quantity rather than quality. Just cut that shit in half FFS we don't need 5 different versions of the same Aston Martin just with a different paint job.

[@SwanDrives]

@@deadlyrobot5179 The last game had like 800 cars after all of the updates. So they kinda did almost cut it in half. Car sounds are pretty damn solid from my experience so far. Sure some cars sound better than others, but that’s the same case irl. Some cars just sound like shit 🤣

[@deadlyrobot5179]

@@SwanDrives I'm sure they'll add the 300 duplicate cars. I hope at least they fix the dynamic weather and the seasons, I'm an offline player and I would love to have the option to set the weather and the seasons to what I like. All said, I'm going to wait for more updates, so they optimize the game more.

[@AndroidA258]

dont forget that some microphones in the real life videos are not the highest quality so the sound comes out distorted and the car can sound more "violent" than it actually is

[@helferedu]

the smoke from the tires is beautiful 🤠

[@walkerwhite1167]

The Audi R8 sound in FH4 was absolutely perfect after they re-did it. It has the amazing shifts, pops, crackles and everything great about the sound of a V10. I have absolutely NO idea why they decided to change it for FH5. It was literally flawless

[@hussainkhalid7024]

Well it doesn’t sound stock in horizon 4 but I can 100% agree that it sounds much better in horizon 4

[@zayap8780]

The Nissan GT-R is damn near spot on. The mt900 mosler is my favorite sounding car right now

[@mrkring1526]

Thank goodness we have an idle sound now!! Hated sitting in a tunnel in FH4 and silence. Only car I'm disappointed in is the Porsche Taycan. Gran Turismo Sport is on point in that regard. Should be able to replicate it since it's a fake sound!! Overall amazing job.

[@Marc28031984]

That exhaust pop from FH5 sounds like someone is knocking on a door or playing tennis. 😂✌🏼

[@Adumzzinthehouse]

The car sounds are almost exactly the same, if the bass or raspiness of most cars was increased, it would be completely spot on.

[@TTRAIN1]

Only thing thing that should be changed is a little more raspiness on the cars. irl, the SV has a raspiness tone to it that FH5 does not. other than that I cant really complain about the sounds of the cars in FH5. Huge improvement from FH4

[@tomfarrell1933]

Gear shifts on the aventador sv in game are way too fast

[@R8andGT3Fan]

Transmission speeds are always wrong...cars like the GT2 RS and AMG GT R (well, there are a lot of double clutch gearboxes in the game) have no pause between gears, and they just can't capture that. It's a detail that would add a lot of realism!

[@taquito1561]

Yeah, that's my thought, single-clutch transmissions should sound like what they are in Forza instead of dual-clutch, another example is the Lexus LFA

[@dkdanis1340]

@@R8andGT3Fan cause they literally don't have pauses in real life too. Pdk is crazy fast.

[@R8andGT3Fan]

@@dkdanis1340 Sorry, that's what I tried to say! The real cars shift super fast while in the game they always add a little pause that ruins the realism...

[@dkdanis1340]

@@R8andGT3Fan depends on car

[@LeCumminz]

Each car needs its own unique shifting, downshifting and pops n crackles. Hope they absolutely get everything possible right in FH6.

[@LeCumminz]

The cars are for some reason quiet as shit now and you mostly hear the air and the turbo/supercharger sounds instead of the actual exhaust note.

[@christopherwelsh1785]

Maybe because the stock exhaust is supposed to be quiet??? You don't by a dealership car and drive it off the lot without a muffler

[@alexgreg152]

And why not put a map with like the world scale, also the game has to be photorealistic, every dropelet of water or grain of sand needs to be perfect, let's also put an artificial sky and sun instead of a skybox etc etc... If you want a game who does 500 gigs ok but this is not my case and i think a lot of ppl will agree on that. It cant be perfect and it cant replace real life bc it's a damn video game. Period!

[@Chroxicated]

at least the sporty and exotic cars

[@URUQ7]

I hate this fire from exhaust, like there should be a option to choose if u wanna fire or not.

[@lukiii_e]

Same !!!!

[@avalanche450]

I don’t mind backfire, I just don’t like same purple flames by default

[@3abo0od96]

Same my man, the pops sound shit, I'd be happy without them.

[@viquee_]

The backfire on fh games 🤮

[@el_devil_sv666]

imagine backfire from Heat 💀

[@thetheandthe6371]

@@el_devil_sv666 that kinda sucks, although they both bad but it’s alr

[@badsoldi7565]

Need a on/off option

[@Yanooo91]

One small tip - For speeding off comparsion try bringing a friend and let him record with drone mode you speeding off from him :)

[@bukweat]

This! People forget the game has raytraced audio. The cars sound so much better driving around in an environment than from the game camera position.

[@zeddx516]

People say its shitty ,not accurate blah blah blah bs.I think its an improvement from fh4

[@vaclavhejda5785]

about a lot of improvement!

[@DudeWithAGoatee]

True, It's accurate enough. FH5 has around 500-600 cars right now and the amount of time and money they had to invest in order to get it just right, it's just not even worth it. I'm having a blast on my Series S and Logitech G920 + shifter. A lot of fun to cruise around.

[@trombulan]

Yes, they improved the sounds but not by 💯% . Some cars sound just bland and dull, muted. It just doesn't bring excitement

[@And4224]

Gear shifts are the worst part of engine sounds. Everything sounds like single clutch

[@its.Andy1]

That’s what I’ve been saying for every Forza game lol they always get the shifting wrong. For example the GTR has a dual clutch and does not have a “pause” when it upshifts.

[@BamiCodm]

The shifts should be the same as r8 from the hms videos kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXm3ZXp_l9qDnNk

[@Hi-rq7vy]

At least FH5 car sounds is better than FH4 ....its already great improvement on FH5!

[@itzjetlife3639]

I get that they have over 500 cars but to be completely fair , the majority of them have been reused from the last two games

[@trombulan]

Bingo!

[@marquin9179]

Just wish the aventador sound was exactly the same as in real life,its so beautiful

[@tyrique4504]

They need to get rid of that small sound the aventador makes the second it shifts up because in real life it just keeps climbing and shifts seemlessly like its running water down a rock, im not a serious technical car guy so for those who don't get my simplified point just listen closely on the shifts theres a quick shifting sound the exhausts makes in game where the real one just climbs and shifts effortlessly without that interrupting sound beforehand

[@TechnoRacerX]

Their granular engine is coming along just fine. Maybe more input samples for variants and randomization. That can really improve the "raw" factor. Lots of the pops are on the same cars, that could be something else to keep persuing as well. But over all, very cool sound design for the game.

[@chicoMazapan]

While they aren't 1:1 accurate, it's a huge improvement compared to the previous versions

[@alexgreg152]

Agree

[@lukiii_e]

0:29 okay, you can see that‘s a SV 🤣

[@manlymantis101]

I’m not sure. I think I’ll need another hundred or so SV badges to be sure.

[@TheSkyline35]

Aventador SV from Assetto Corsa is untouchable, sound wise of course here as it's the focus of the video

[@KurumaDesigns]

I just went and had a listen and imo fh5 sounds more realistic, AC sounds too digitized

[@bbgdgd]

The Ford Hoonigon is almost 1 to 1😱

[@patrickvoortman1422]

Idk why everyone is so hyped over the sounds in fh5. The sounds are slightly more realistic or accurate but the detail of the sound is missing, and all the mechanical sounds like the gearbox are overpowering the actual engine sound. The sounds of the cars are also much more wheezy compared to fh4. Maybe it’s just me🤷‍♂️

[@Tkcb2799]

I 100% agree Im not exaggerating if Im saying fh1 sounds better

[@vatsalparmar5740]

Too smooth imo. Can't hear the cylinders going off or the "grainy" accent from the v12s or v10s. Sounds monotonous and too continuous.

[@deadlyrobot5179]

yeah, all the sounds need 30 to 40% more bite to them

[@sermerlin1]

It's just you.

[@ernestochang1744]

Like that other guy said, its just you

[@lightnessanddarkness]

This is a better batch of car sounds than part 1, much closer to their real-life counterparts.

[@BamiCodm]

They got sounds right in some way but the shift sounds are like single clutch on all of them

[@Ranor]

i dont understand how people still arent satisfied. this is perfect.

[@-tetrachloro-dibenzo-para-diox]

I'm happy with the engine sounds I just want more pops and it would be perfect

[@sestoalternativeevo8884]

Literally it's n improvement People act like shit it easy to do Kids are just spoiled

[@-tetrachloro-dibenzo-para-diox]

@@sestoalternativeevo8884 on God

[@offpoynt4747]

I don't see anyone complaining about the gear changes in FH5. To me, it sounds like every car kinda shifts up and down in similar fashion. Some cars with wicked fast DCTs shouldn't have any delay and should snap to the next gear, yet in FH5 there is a bit of drama and delay added. Also, the Aventador has a really satisfying gear change snappy sound that simply isn't there in any game.

[@androiduberalles]

It's kind of unimpressive how they just put one "bang" after the throttle is let off. Almost none of the cars shown only do one. Normally it's none or popcorn.

[@Totone56]

Cars do popcorn a lot in the game, even in this video

[@vayune4138]

My thoughts: This game is AMAZING. The sounds are really good, even if not "accurate". It's nearly impossible to record every sound from every motor and pretending to release the game in 3 years. Yeah, they surely worked on it way before of the release of FH4, but I think that with 500+ cars they really did the impossible. Prove me wrong.

[@isylium1110]

presque parfait ! vu l"évolution des jeux vidéos dans 10 ans ça sera top, promis (faire gaffe à Gran Turismo 9)

[@danyrodrigues8581]

The sv has not the stock exhaust😬 But always good videos 😁👍🏼

[@NM2255]

Yeah I know it has a Capristo exhaust on it :)

[@wolfenher6937]

All I have to say is Good Job Forza for making car sounds better again like we used to remember back in the Horizon 2 days 💕

[@gallagherrides28]

I’m just so grateful that the mclarens don’t have that weird hiccup sound when downshifting

[@ProSniper312]

i just want to know if there is gonna be one game where the aventador will sound like in real life …

[@auradrifter7779]

People are wanting an open world racing game to have every little detail of a real life car 🤡

[@m07_vamp]

Ikr

[@manlymantis101]

People will complain about everything they possibly can these days. We’ve become spoiled.

[@its.Andy1]

I think the car sounds in this game are on point. The gear shifting just doesn’t sound right as if all automatic cars have single clutch. But considering they’ve made 5 Forza Horizons and 7 Forza Motorsports already, a lot of peoples expectations are pretty high lol

[@_2ngaming231]

I understand I hard to get an exact engine sound replicated but forza did try and they did succeed in the end of doing a good job on horizon 5

[@DeadSync_is_noob]

Way better and accurate than the FH4 sounds😂😂

[@alouisschafer7212]

Contrary to FH4, an attempt was made. Assetto Corsa these days has better sounds, better visuals and more realistic smoke than FH5. FH5 is backed by Microsoft themselves while AC is 100% community driven. So a multimillion dollar company could not be arsed to hire better devs and sound engineers. Really sad.

[@hsmf8055]

Exactly my thoughts

[@TheGhost0312]

I mean one is a sim and the other is a 500 car open world with modular sound that changes with mods to the car developed in three years. Not hating on the coment, but it had to be said it´s not like comparing apples to apples here. And I hope this is a preview of what can be done with a new engine in forza motorsport. Edit: the pops and crackles need work tho.

[@iamaldonerit]

the sounds are very good but at what quality, they sound like a sound taken from a video of a car and pasted into the game

[@alouisschafer7212]

@@iamaldonerit AC or Forza?

[@christianherrera8359]

@@iamaldonerit Yes completely

[@juliansoler8532]

I've daily driven an E39 M5 for 3 years now and I have to say that this sounds nothing like the S62, I'd say it sounds almost identical to the S65 in the E92. But at lower rpms it does sound a bit like the E39

[@duskshel8119]

Makes sense. They re-used the E92 sound for the E39 M5.

[@EmanuelePino]

Gtr feels a bit "compressed" but hell, 10 times better than fh4

[@xd_scarff]

with the ford escort, in other words, we need more popping

[@Mr.Kumar1]

Cant hear the tyres screech as loud, but it's still good

[@iOnyxOnyx]

Do Challenger Hellcat or Demon in the part 3

[@Orangek34]

It sucks but no game Studio is going to have the budget to hire multiple sound engineers and thousands of hours of work and research to get more accurate car sounds. Cost of something like that would for sure go into the millions just for the sound accuracy.

[@miklas.k]

I mean, in Assetto Corsa the Community creates Insane Sounds and they Arent backed By microsoft

[@King-rw3qg]

@@miklas.k you’re comparing a simulator with an arcade open world racing game with 500+ cars. And yes, AC mods sound better but at what quality cost, they are ripped audio files from videos tossed into the game.

[@swavezmartin]

This game is absolutely amazing love it 💯

[@Rice-jdm]

The gt86 sounds great now

[@howdy1568]

The r8 is really accurate wow

[@Deytrex]

Imo the overall sound sounds pretty good irl sounds more raw ( which i like better )

[@nuvix9216]

Audi rs6 c7 is one of my dream cars

[@thatguy6557]

The stock exhausts on all the cars sound a bit suffocatedand I think it's to make the difference to the race exhaust more noticeable.

[@HondenBegrip]

But the aventador ingame sound could have been made to sound alot deeper like the irl footage. Why do they neglect to do that?

[@zhongxina7834]

I have tried playing around a bit with the sound files, seems the deep sound has to do with the bass, and increasing that for one single car is not possible, the way the game engine works is all cars have the same loudness, which means increasing the depth of one car affects the rest of the cars, which in turn can ruin the car sounds that already have alot of depth, or sounds of high revving engines which should sound like they're screaming.

[@Cellox36]

Bought an Xbox One X just for being able to play Forza Horizon 5 ( and 2, 3, 4). I absolutely love FH5, 2-4 are good too, but the fact i can`t hear my car while Tuning is a bit wird after playing FH5. Anyways, the sounds in FH5 are very good, not exactly realistic in some cases, but i mostly like them. Comparing them to NFS Heat, i`d say Heat`s sounds are more aggressive AND you can also regulate the Sound. A big plus. If PGG added that same regulator to FH5, that would/could be awesome. But i`d still choose FH 5 over Heat. The Crew 2 ... let`s not talk about it. All i can say is, my 1993 Mercedes A-Class W168 Sounds better, than 98,7% of the cars in it.

[@Herblegreatness17]

The Honda’s sound good finally

[@godzillaearth2317]

1:00

[@kirtsuna269]

I don't think people understand how hard and giant this sound file would be if they took it like it actually sounds, the reason it sounds the way it does is because the sound file is compromised so it doesn't take up 100gigs alone which it would've if over 400 cars would have a unique sound, pops and crackles. and not only that but transferring real life sounds into game physics is really hard

[@kirtsuna269]

put yes, gear changes, pops and crackles in general can be improved since they are all reused for the same cars

[@danielvilela7139]

People should remember that a phone recording will distort the sound a lot.

[@brunolima7402]

Aventador

[@devoncalhoun9749]

I think what it is, is more so the environmental sounds how the engine and exhaust sounds ricochet off pretty much everything in the environment. We hear so much more than just the car and the exhaust the sound bounce off the ground most of all, buildings, other cars walls, tunnels and the list goes on.. after all sound is just a bunch of vibrations that can travel a long way and it is extremely difficult to implement it in a game and Playground Games came alone way with how they rendered it in FH5.

[@meninosonhador5834]

*I'm from Brazil salve*

[@garry34mackey]

I think the sounds are on point it’s just the extra pops that are lacking that’s it

[@vaclavhejda5785]

Finally, the sounds of cars correspond to reality!!!

[@charliegaglardi8886]

they don't sounds terrible

[@bimisikocheng]

They finally tried

[@iLIKELASAGNAaLOT]

The GT R sound from fh4 sounded better imo, not necessarily more accurate but i like it

[@TazGaming141]

I agree

[@Yooitskai]

I wish there was dsg shifts so bad but overall im not complaining the game is 100% the best forza ive ever played and its only gonna get better!

[@TivonSanders]

Jeez, a lot of critics in the comment section. I think the sounds of the cars are dead on accurate. Video games have come a long way, just be happy about that fact alone at least.

[@demm5]

8:40 damn that bmw 🥵

[@fernandamartinspaulo593]

Nice vídeo

[@speedymarc]

I would like to see a video about the speed in the game vs the speed in reality, like 50 kilometers per hour, 120 km/h on the highway, if we have the same perception, I couldn't find any video about that.

[@KurumaDesigns]

All of them actually sound like the real cars, not perfect by any means but definetly very good!

[@1Chinx]

They should have used the FH4 R8 sound as i think it was bettee

[@FuIIDiveVR]

Some cars at low rpm sound like vacuum cleaner still.

[@asithansupendran44]

R8 sound is spot on

[@nightmaregamer5432]

I think it looks even better on Forza horizon 5

[@fatality_don7813]

We need loud ass backfires that's what we need some crazy shits

[@Budivedder]

Nice sound

[@djshevrole]

These comparisons are unequal. Because we hear the sound of these expensive and rare cars only through videos on KZbin, where the sound is often recorded on a microphone from a phone or camera, and everything else is also compressed by KZbin itself. Therefore, we always imagine the same squeezed and overloaded sound that is unlikely to be realized in games. Developers have done awesome job!

[@terminal-velocity111]

It’s a shame they can’t capture the real sound onto the game.

[@deziking]

lambo really fucked me up.

[@runninginthe90s75]

It's a shame people like you keep whining over almost realistic sounds in FH5. If you want 100% accurate go outside, touch some grass and drive real car instead.

[@zeddx516]

Wdym?

[@saitama...4959]

It's a shame that people like you don't understand how much money, time and effort would cost to do that in a "open world" game with over 500 cars, but instead you are here commenting about car sounds instead of appreciating the huge improvement they did over FH4.

[@fearso2877]

real life got the good sound but forza got the looks

[@Imufur]

they need to add more raspiness to the sounds

[@mrtowelie3464]

Pretty good tho

[@Khan0098assasin]

Like real lamborghini get scream 5k rpms starting,but in game you can get this scream 6.5k rpms

[@stale0610]

The Lamborghini sound great in this game just like Real life

[@NEGV01]

I think they just fail on replicating boost, think they need to turn it up quite a bit to actually feel like boost is kicking in.

[@Caroline-pb6zg]

I have fh4 I want to buy fh5...the reason I feel like I don't want it yet is...the sounds in fh5 are good but the shifts all sound the same...let's hope they have different shifts for every car in fh6

[@marcocomita8062]

Those sound are pretty accurate, but the fact that they are kinda muddy, makes it bad to ear

[@4kpingu]

1:16 wow

[@i4472]

Perfect👌

[@maurizza3499]

The R8 is already perfect in FH4 but in FH5 it's WAY better

[@MTGApollo]

People are so picky, literally all the car sounds are prefect. People forget they have to work with 500+ cars and so many other things. If they spent hours only on perfecting the car sounds, the rest of the game would be horrible.

[@trombulan]

Good but not perfect by any means. I'm really a fan of FH but I must say that even NFS has better engine sounds.

[@paetonlaturner759]

Need more pops and bangs