Forza thinks you're stupid...

Built from the ground up... apparently. Forza needs to stop this, a reboot of the series yet they're still holding onto these?
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[@MTG_55_03]

Forza Aero will outlive us all at this point 😂

[@animaltvi9515]

You ain't wrong there. It hasn't changed since the very first borza game.

[@NXT_LVL]

Cockroaches, Bloody Corsa's and Forza Aero

[@jamesharden3timedpoy466]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@animaltvi9515Not true it’s got worse since they went to Xbox one somehow the 360 era aero wasn’t an eyesore.

[@jonatanhansen7597]

​@@animaltvi9515 Not true, the original Forza actually had more Forza Aero options, if I'm not mistaken there were atleast 3 Forza wings to each car that allowed wings, a front Aero piece, and also a rear piece which removed the original exhaust and exchanged it with new holes in the bumper with exhausts out of it, to more resemble race car customization. I do wish we had those rear pieces back, or something new and similar.

[@LegerAndCo]

we will outlive Forza I think this game is going to flop like dead fish. player base will die off after 3 months like motorsport 7 did. and horizon 5 did.

[@lous2187]

"The worst Ebay looking wing ever" Thats the most accurate description of Forza Aero 😂😂

[@Zombietakumiae86]

And irl wing 😂😂😂😂😂

[@bigsmoke5814]

😂

[@SUPRAMIKE18]

I wanna see a no name Chinese company make an IRL Forza aero kit xD

[@Zombietakumiae86]

@@SUPRAMIKE18 🤣🤣🤣🤣 bruh fr acts like that wing isnt a wing you can buy irl 🤣🤣🤣🤌 bruh its a wing you can buy irl 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@SUPRAMIKE18]

@@Zombietakumiae86 IT IS!!! OMG I need one for the laughs

[@sambeezy007]

If Forza thinks we're stupid I wonder what EA thinks of us.

[@GoCrazy69]

Of them 😉 I ain’t included

[@GamerErman2001]

I think sometimes they forget that we are people and see us as bags of money that somehow play video games.

[@sambeezy007]

@@GamerErman2001 lol yep

[@andyb1653]

EA? They don't think you're stupid, because to them you aren't a person at all. They think you're a wallet to be drained, that's it

[@gabrielsobrosa]

Finally someone big in community talking about of how Forza uses the 3D from the first Forza in 2005!!

[@rickyrosay33977]

I don't mind the graphics but come on they way they were hyping the graphics I was expecting some graphics I've seen 360/ps3 car models that look better

[@jodyjo_gd3]

It's just like GT5s Standard and Premium cars all over again... smh.

[@kingtnaughty189]

That is just dumb lazy to do that

[@ronan8834]

My fh5 is bugged so badly every time I change gear with clutch the car revs away out to limiter so annoying

[@ineedandrenaline]

​@@jodyjo_gd3except GT has accurate models

[@FiZzSTS]

After the compilation I didn’t know they would keep going on about how it built from the ground up😂

[@animaltvi9515]

Which means it isn't they said that on all previous ones.

[@Kanyes-alt]

It’s all to show that they’re “original” and “authentic”

[@existentialselkath1264]

They overhauled the engine, which is a big deal, and maybe they even reconsidered every single element of the game, but the marketing department has exaggerated that to their own detriment.

[@artoodiitoo]

They did, but in 2005

[@kingtnaughty189]

This is just bs wtf is this

[@succulenttrash3343]

The thing that disappoints me the MOST about those models being old is the amount of content that gets repeated or even taken away from those models. Cars in FM1-4 had a bunch of body kits that are missing from those same cars in Horizon 5. Every single model from the Xbox and Xbox 360 generation needs to be redone desperately. And you would think that this game, the game they're marketing as the Forza Motorsport that's going to last for a while and constantly get updated, would be the one where they finally give us updated car models and aero that doesn't completely suck

[@succulenttrash3343]

@@GH0STST4RSCR34M probably the former cuz the ones that i looked up from FM4 at least were still in business. And even then 1. Forza has made custom kits before and 2. There are other manufacturers that they can contact. But i think they know that it would require a rescan of certain cars

[@evilformerlys4704]

The parts themselves are usually given the ok from the manufacturer as Forza hasn't used licensed parts since Forza Motorsport 2. So only generic looking stuff will be seen now. I'm sure it's not hard to actually look at manufacturer source aftermarket parts and use those. GT does that with a bunch of cars, you can actually see that with the C8 which was added some months ago. There are options, those choose not to use them for whatever reason, could be budget or time, dunno.

[@DaMotoristX]

Licensing might be an issue, but take the NFS route. Model the shapes of the parts after real ones, but just don't brand it. NFS kills it with their customization, even though they have customization from one type of era (2010 - 2020s based customization)

[@blake8675]

@@GH0STST4RSCR34M That's not always the case. The Kaminari body kit for the Honda CRX is missing the side skirts, but has the front and rear bumper. There's also the famous F&F Bomex kit for the Toyota Supra, the front bumper is missing (replaced with another incorrect Bomex front bumper) but the rest of the kit is still in-game.

[@DaMotoristX]

@GH0STST4RSCR34M I'm not talking about manufacturers. I'm referring to parts suppliers and tuners. You can have generique shapes that are inspires by real world parts but not officially them. The Crew even does this, but to a less realistic extent.

[@c01onel]

I've said it so many times elsewhere but it's ironic how Forza is now doing what GT used to be hated for; reusing old gen models to inflate car count

[@olavofernandes7286]

Except the car models are accurate just bad puxelated in Ps3 era but now are working harder to be the best in car modeling accuracy even the correct body paints

[@bmxboxter]

not as bad as Motorsport 7, with over 700 cars, but I agree no matter

[@angelpacheco1608]

@@olavofernandes7286 Maybe if you mean to say more accurate then Gran Turismo was back when they had literal PS2 era cars, because the old Forza Models have some hilarious inaccurate cars. Look at how bad the Forza Nissan Silvia S15 is the shape of the car is SO OFF compared to a real life or even other game Nissan Silvia. Same thing with the Eclipse GSX in Forza - it looks so wonky compared to how its supposed to look, some of the lines near the back window of the car go too far back.

[@Journey_Awaits]

Wouldn’t surprise me if they made them by hand and slapped on textured from photos of the car like was done in the 90s lol

[@ChroniclesofKToyoda]

Forza cars are outsourced to multiple teams, each with differing abilities. Whereas GT has like just a few artists, but highly & more consistently talented artists

[@bondedwithpotatoes0076]

The 360 games had the best looking Forza aero. A black boxy wing that, when attached to, say, an M3 or a Pontiac G8, _actually made it look like a GT or Trans Am car._

[@vastorfenix3962]

Love when you drive a ‘99 car it looks like it was modeled for a cutscene from the same era. Real vintage feel, yuh’know?

[@vvoof2601]

Makes me really appreciate GT's models. I'd like for there to be more cars but it's nice to see other games catching flack for once.

[@natecollins9331]

I swear to God, when I just saw the Lan Evo VI Model in FM 2023 it kind of makes me want to see GT7's Lan Evo VI again and again...

[@jakubholy2506]

Well GT7 uses AI from 2005, so they just saved money elsewhere 😂

[@KingJuulForever]

@@jakubholy2506maybe because you put the game on the easiest possible mode, but gt7’s ai is definitely not that bad lmfao

[@DaMotoristX]

@@jakubholy2506 That's AI ... Most don't care. We wanna look at and feel OUR cars. So models is more important than AI behavior.

[@preethiest]

Now only if we can get the GT3 camera

[@FranquitoMV2004]

And people complain at The Crew for recycling their cars, at least they improve their quality and detail, but the Evo & the Silvia Thing in Forza its just a bloody shame

[@thornscorn8172]

for sure.. but the graphics in the crew are really like a mobile game. Sucks the most for myself.

[@Kedvin7]

in motorfest?? Unless you are talking about 5 year old crew 2 @@thornscorn8172

[@FranquitoMV2004]

@@thornscorn8172 im the pants way, as long as the game is fun, i dont really mind, though i dont want it to look like CR4P🗿

[@Knarrepoere]

@@FranquitoMV2004the graphics are not the problem in Forza it’s the inconsistency, one car looks like it belongs in real life the other belongs to a 2005 game. Inconsistent takes you out of the moments doesn’t matter which game.

[@aceneto9386]

Crew games are aweful in all aspects tho

[@weisean3370]

I'm glad that a well-known KZbinr is raising this serious issue. While Forza keeps insisting that this is a new-generation game, it's actually filled with old content, models that should be retired, and the hated Aero Kit. But I think what's even worse is that a bunch of players think it's not a big deal, or even think we don't need to care about the appearance of the car.😮‍💨😮‍💨

[@LaidBackDeveloper]

Filled with old content? What, like 5 cars out of 500

[@Pannicusthethird]

Mf it's a motorsport game I don't care seeing I won't be seeing the car in action anyway

[@alpha02011983]

Players: We want proper progression. We want challenge! Dev: Ok. You can now grind for hours to unlock your car parts, one car at a time!

[@DerickZ28]

Not exactly what the community meant by progression lol

[@digitalcamaro9708]

That's just unreasonable. The game was too easy in the past because they would throw money and cars at you for having a pass or playing a previous game. This just makes other progress you've made irrelevant when you switch vehicles.

[@recklesscanyonrider5636]

It's ridiculous to think people making this feature thought It was a good idea for the game to be more enjoyable. Carlists grow so fast we usually don't even get a chance to drive them all, now we have even less of a reason to do so. They wanna put an emphasis on building our cars, give us control of our car on a test track where we can add/remove/adjust our car without loading screen or start/stop session shit.

[@DerickZ28]

@recklesscanyonrider5636 yup. The more I think about it the more of a turn off it is. If the crew mf is any good, I might just hold off on fms

[@kiim0]

@@recklesscanyonrider5636 ....you joined the forza bandwagon late huh? This was how the games original campaign used to be. Just less restrictive. it is a nod to the days of old, and an attempt to bring back passionate racing with cars you love.....not just buying a bone shaker, and slapping on the latest AWD meta tune. Also, I Do not know how anyone is not driving at least half of the cars in the game. There is such a vast variety of things to do in the game that that incentivize trying different cars out. The whole point of forza vista and cockpit view was to promote wanting to get behind the wheel/select different cars. Playground modes, drifting lobbies, different class hoppers, time trials, hot lapping, drag racing. They all call for a variety of different kinds of cars, different engine combinations. In other words, if all of those facets of the game did not inspire you to explore the options available to you, you did yourself a huge disservice. The game is amazing simply based on the level of customization and variety. Literally every build can be unique in its own way.

[@NFSLYY]

You don't understand, "build from the ground up" mean build the game from original Forza Motorsport to New Forza Motorsport with same car models🤣

[@benn8793]

The "built from the ground up" is as useless to me as "16x the deiail" from Fallout 76.

[@kouki_kat]

they should just add an APR "universal" wing to replace the forza wing

[@chandlerbraaten847]

It would look better at least.

[@ToLooseGoose]

Or they could just make their own or just make 2-3 sets available for all or the majority of cars. NFS and Gran Turismo have done or have been doing this. It's frustrating because I have no frjvxvdh idea why that's so difficult.😂

[@thisstupidasscat2341]

They should at least bring back the old forza wing from the 360 era. They have the models and have no problems with using near 20 year old models. The old forza wing in some cases actually looks good, while the current forza wing never seems to look good.

[@jpcarsmedia]

@@ToLooseGoose It won't happen because then they'd have a pay a 1099 contractor for a few hours of work to model decent wings.

[@turboshot7321]

All cars take 62 days to full upgrade 🗿

[@Sam-mw5hx]

Dude love how you straight up showed facts and called them out, best KZbinr for keeping it real!!

[@lukedanielgalon1596]

although same time he violates fair use

[@__The_Real_V__]

​@@lukedanielgalon1596no he doesn't

[@Kuru20134]

They need to actually start from the ground up with the cars like GT sport or 7

[@ferrarimanf355]

Sure, Animeavatar Bunchanumbers.

[@donquitotalrecall]

@@ferrarimanf355 well said brandnamebuchanumbers

[@rheon6699]

​@@ferrarimanf355 he vexed cuz he knows forza is outdated

[@ferrarimanf355]

@@rheon6699 Sure, Jan, keep saying that.

[@banemafia2125]

Why can't they just do what they did in fh1 and fm4 in terms of progression where you start out with economy cars and low credit rewards. Then as you level up you get more credits and better cars over time. I swear it's like they forgot what made their old games good and what actual progression is in a racing game

[@benn8793]

Exactly. If you look closely, the carpg system is the only new feature in terms of gameplay. The stuff they've put into the new practice session is all stuff that you used to do in the old games just alongside the race. I think those who are celebrating this upgrade system at the moment will quickly realise that it gets boring pretty quickly to grind each car individually.

[@Saponiboy227]

Thank you call them out on the shortcuts. It’s worked for Diablo and destiny so far to where the devs had to say something. Thank god this is on gamepass so if it’s not as good i didn’t really lose out on anything

[@NXT_LVL]

Like with everything, cheapest bid, the higher up who say, "Well we already paid for the rights to use the model.. why get a new one?" Need for Speed STILL had the Challenger concept car in their games while the Hellcat existed. lol

[@Saponiboy227]

@@NXT_LVL I never even noticed it tbh I guess because I tend to stick with JDM cars 😅. But seriously some Indy games end up with better car models

[@PHAZER99]

If the Forza Aero is anything to go by... If the pit stops in the game are the same non animated stop and go from 2005 I'm gonna be furious...

[@ksr0483]

I have a good feeling it will be.

[@LyroLife]

Quality over quantity. I would prefer to have like 30 Cars and 5 racing series from the beginning after game purchase than having hundres of cars that drive and sound the same -.-

[@noobsaibot7006]

Then dont complain about the lacl of cars then

[@SpitfireTheWolf]

That intro is pure art. I too love my crushed bitrate Fade while racing my low poly Evo

[@RalcolfWolfcoon-cj2zi]

I mean. I'm not even surprised at this point. Motorfest is gonna be amazing!

[@CLA82529]

"1999 is also when that Evo's 3D model was made" Lmao

[@Ston3yyy]

Still mind blowing that don't have exhaust upgrades like GT7. I love Forza but GT7 blows this out of the water

[@LaidBackDeveloper]

????

[@lokomono89]

Dude, the fact that upgrading the exhaust doesn’t change the exhaust look is stupid to me. They’re so lazy, that only a few cars can change the look on the exhaust tip by changing the bumper

[@I-wrote-this-about]

I'm jealous of ps gamers with GT, ESPECIALLY with VR!! I just always disliked the way the camera makes it look like the cars standstill and the maps moving like the old arcade games.

[@adityv]

attempting to give cars personality by introducing "car points" and not by giving the cars actual unique traits is such a forza thing to do

[@breeminator]

I recently played through Nexomon Extinction, a Pokemon style game, and it really highlighted to me how Forza is taking a single element of those games and mistakenly thinking it will help their game to include that one element when all the other elements aren't there. Fortunately, it will probably be possible to AFK level up cars in FM if it has the same auto steering as FH5, and the devs will probably be quietly happy for players to do that, as it all racks up their time played stats.

[@rxm8524]

Forza 3/4 had great progression

[@ryuhayashi97]

FM8 tried to repeat the GT5 recipe of using old model to bring the car roster up. Not going to work this time...

[@Cheetos74]

That intro was comedy gold!😂😂 The sound effects didn’t even seem out of place, up against the visuals.😅

[@raptorjeezus2607]

They still do simplified geometry with a smudge texture on the wheels once they move. Know when GT stopped doing that? 2007, in GTPrologue. Also, many mobile games even do actual rotational blur

[@Zerofightervi]

Another thing that bugs the shit out of me, the transition is so terrible & has been for years. Gran Turismo visuals have been the standard for years, & it looks like they'll continue to be.

[@raptorjeezus2607]

@@Zerofightervi I play modded assetto most times and honestly nothing about what I see visually makes me wanna switch

[@Zerofightervi]

@@raptorjeezus2607 I don't blame you, I'm not a PC gamer so I have to except these low effort games unfortunately. That or I just don't buy them.

[@Rob-gs8lq]

I wish you could talk to the devs directly and provide them your feedback. You make some solid points and have constructive criticism that you should share with the developers.

[@BlackPanthaa]

Would be great, they're the only ones that seem to lock out anyone that wants to give feedback 🙃

[@Lenron-B06]

Yeah um this feedback needs to be shared.

[@user-lq6vm8yt4h]

​​@@BlackPanthaathey already know this man they hiding in the bushes untill release 😂😂😂

[@Gabriel-dj3kf]

I will go crazy if this thing does not have 900 steering wheel animation, then I'll go buy a ps5 to play Gran Turismo lol Very good points you mentioned bro, nice video.

[@LaidBackDeveloper]

I can assure you it will be 240+ degrees of rotation

[@Gabriel-dj3kf]

@@LaidBackDeveloper yeah let's hope for the best then 👍🏻🙂

[@Nexus.Achiles]

It's 360, 180 each way.

[@spoolysnail32]

I’m pulling my preorder when I see the old r32 model

[@harriboii_]

thank you for someone FINALLY talking about this. took long enough

[@LaidBackDeveloper]

Wtf are you on? All people do is complain about it 24/7

[@mc_chickenburger2585]

I saw the tweet and actually thought it was an older Forza game

[@Miki2305.]

The fact that forza aero was better in the older games is funny to me. Even the customization, play FM2 and youll see what I mean.

[@fatman9994]

If they keep the car points system, I'm definitely going to be passing this game. I appreciate finally rebuilding their physics, supposedly, to be much more realistic, but I frequently jump between cars. I play through the career and then like to experiment a lot. Sometimes trying out multiple cars a day. I'm not spending 3-5 hours trying to unlock everything so I can tune it and see what it could be. Like you said, it feels like an artificial way to extend game time for everyone. Which sucks, because if they truly rebuild a lot of the game to be more realistic, that alone could really extend the game's life and bring out a ton of game time (for me and my relatively small group of friends at least)

[@themaskedwander]

I play FM7 and have literally never played any PvP or even the campaign. I just go into freeplay and select the car I want. Then I disable the drivatars cause the game pits an SLS against my Camaro cause I use my Horizon tune on it..... I've no interest in not being able to do up my cars until I grind it out. I like Forza cause I can just take the car I want and rag it around a track

[@ImprezyaGaming]

I tell you one thing I would like to see for a change is when you change exhausts for arguments sake the tips at the back change depending on what you select like they do on gt7 instead of like all older forzas and even horizon where u install a race exhaust for arguments sake and all that changes is the sound not the visual exhaust as well if that makes sense

[@Yes-sw8gh]

Id like them to stop lying and actually provide us with high detail models.

[@andromedamusic9751]

The whole Forza team is like every Microsoft exec welded together into one brainless megamuk

[@ed_plays2353]

You’re my favourite KZbinr keep up the good work

[@BlackPanthaa]

Thank you!

[@ed_plays2353]

You deserve it

[@Ice_Soup_3k]

​@@BlackPanthaanoooo Thank you for giving us good content that is not copy and paste !

[@kontrolldalion6937]

​@@Ice_Soup_3kYou're still not letting this go huh? I respect the glazing

[@Ice_Soup_3k]

@@kontrolldalion6937 my pleasure

[@ronrevuald]

When i saw that wing in the trailer... Instantly i was like : HELL NAAAHHH... Naaaahhh... NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!

[@Arexion5293]

That Evo VI model.. I didn't remember that older Forza models looked that off. It's comparable to something from Juiced 2.

[@angelpacheco1608]

Look at how bad the Nissan Silvia S15 looks in Forza compared to real life... It hurts that we have had to deal with that for so long, because either Forza Devs don't care or the community ignores it. Same thing with the Eclipse GSX in Forza - not as terrible as the Silvia S15 but the lines near the back window of the car are still too far back, throwing off the beautiful shape of the car. It really hurts something else when the cars you like look that ugly even in 2023 with a Triple A game that has a high budget.

[@CLA82529]

​@@angelpacheco1608the AE86 looked horrible too

[@Zerofightervi]

When you consider that the cars they keep ignoring have the biggest cult following. I want to see the Evo VI with the real life body kits available, Veilside DTM wide kit, the Varis wide kit. They could even produce the Evo IV & V from a new VI car model very easily as it's the same chassis. I mean the V & VI are basically the same bar the front bumper & rear wing. Or even push the boat out & finally give us Evo I II & III.

[@ToLooseGoose]

Yeah, the new driver rating system and online racing is going to be the bread and butter. But im taking this game with extreme caution. Because i dont know how well that aspect of the game will work. Same old aero kits, no drift hud, and no drag racing at launch and the fact that this game had to be delayed and still has some concerns is well concerning. Im not pre ordering or buying this game at launch because i think they are going to treat it as a live service game. and use these tactics to bring back old racing tracks and cars and brand them as *new*

[@chrisrandom1404]

Agreed. I will not be pre ordering and have been warning others against it. The hard core fans will still do it though.

[@EssenceYT]

"Forza thinks you're stupid" For a while now, Forza is the kind of game that treats the user like a baby and holds your hand while at it.

[@swiizzie5220]

Definitely will be playing motorfest 🌚

[@nrXic]

When they say "ground up" it seems to pertain to the game engine (physics, rendering) but definitely not the assets like cars. Tracks seem like they're being redone, which is good. If this is a live service title, they should really have launched with just 100 cars and added more later. Do all of these cars from the "ground up". Add more every month giving people a reason to check the game out every month.

[@succulenttrash3343]

On the note of the car progression, i have no idea why they would even bother doing this??? Car upgrade progression only works for games with like 100 cars. I don't want to have to progress 500 cars individually. And god forbid i buy 2 of the same car to race one and drift the other and now i have to progress the same car twice. AND the progress off and online are different so now I have to do it again for online like why would they do that

[@kickwagon]

Finding out it requires a constant internet connection finally did it for me. Sitting this one out until they make some serious changes. I’m still enjoying FM7 anyway.

[@Streetw1s3r]

800 visual customization parts for 500 cars is like on average 1.6 parts per car.

[@ChrisPBacon9]

And the CRX will still be missing side skirts, guaranteed

[@terminater996]

​@@ChrisPBacon9probably just have Forza bumpers like always

[@WHYxSOxSERiiOUS]

I just want to know if fujimi kaido is gonna be in the game, would also love more point to point races. I do expect more & better stuff to be showed off when the game is a lot closer to release.

[@MartyKay]

No Fujimi Kaido at launch. I don't think it will be there later too...

[@user-lq6vm8yt4h]

You really think their gonne change a lot not even a month before release wouldnt bet on it dont pre order is all im saying

[@fawkes5649]

You say the game keeps looking different, but if you've ever gone outside at different times of the day it also always looks different... its called lighting lol. No excuse for the other issues, but that's how different lighting works and its accurate.

[@predator_7468]

All I could think of when watching that lancer clip was Y E L L O W E V O

[@olavofernandes7286]

But it's not the infamous dendelion yellow lancer evolution of gran turismo 3 but that specific model is back in gran turismo 7 with detail interior

[@srsgoblin]

This is exactly why NFS Unbound's player base died so fast after the game launched. The grind to unlock new stuff and therefore experiment with builds was too long. Doesnt matter if they "fixed" it, because if you alienate the biggest fans, the Day 1 crowd, you're not winning them back.

[@JamieE716]

Will you import your crew 2 cars to motorfest

[@BlackPanthaa]

After a while!

[@elimcflynolastname6165]

Thank you for speaking on this and I'm sure they saw your comment on "X" hopefully more streams from the community will get the point across to them this is just ridiculous at this point and no way they built that car list from the ground up

[@RalcolfWolfcoon-cj2zi]

Aight man. I got some more info on the new 7 cars coming to Motorfest. We're getting 3 at launch, 2 added in October, and 2 Ferraris after that month. I so cannot wait for the 400z to be in the game.

[@iletayf9558]

So based on the “progression” regarding upgrading cars they basically took a page off of the Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 page where they require you to use other different type of guns to unlock an upgrade for the fun you’re trying to use. Except here you’re forced to use that one car up to max level to unlock it’s upgrades. 🤔

[@bmxboxter]

My guess is they won’t acknowledge any of this criticism and continue to use the old car models - Forza Horizon 5 employees have at least admitted they’ve done some stuff wrong, but Turn 10 haven’t said anything (from what I’ve seen) I would be very happy to see if they made a change. At this point, it almost seems like they’re doing stupid stuff on purpose because they know they can fix it quite easily and then become the “good guys” who listened

[@kryzeeplays]

I miss Forza Motorsport so much, I played them all since FM1, I also spent a lot of time on FM7 that is almost 6 years old Today and my biggest fear is that they have been so lazy as showed in the video and hope people will buy the game no matter what, just because of the nostalgia for the saga... I had huge hopes on this title before, but the more we get closer to release the more I'm scared it could be a flop...

[@HRM.H]

These promo videos have cemented it as a flop. Look at the comment sections

[@kryzeeplays]

@@HRM.H Yeah people are mainly looking at the visual quality of the game, they also have been inconstant with game quality during the year, some videos are looking good, other are looking flat and boring... I don't even know what to think at this point...

[@Thijs-Visch]

Leveling a car to lvl.50 should take around 3 hours. But all parts will be unlocked at lvl.30, which should take around 1-2 hours.

[@Thijs-Visch]

And the last upgrades you unlock are engine swaps and drivetrain swaps, which you wouldn't use if you had at least a little love for the cars

[@vvoof2601]

Defending stupid decisions doesn't make them smart.

[@davethebaron]

They've said "Rebuilt from the ground up" when FM7 launched.

[@retrogamer64007]

They added a cel shaded like filter on that crap, and they added a low contrast sepia filter to this one similar to starfield on moons. You’ll notice blacks aren’t deep black but bright

[@Koen1702]

Yes, another Forza game for the Xbox360!

[@omarhany4369]

I really hope other big youtubers speak about this, they will never change unless we all either stop buying the game or critique them in masses

[@leydong]

Games devs in the last 5 years. :How can we add something new? Oh, maybe just doing the bare minimum on graphics upgrades when there's a racing game from 10 years ago that almost still looks better than most modern racing games, increase content with flimsy collabs that dont have much meaning behind it, and finding ways to add more "unique" monetization techniques. Its sad seeing how low companies have gone, thats why indie devs are blowing up more each year

[@zodiac909]

Am I the only one willing to wait 5-6 years for a COMPLETE Racing sim game at launch, as opposed to something that is 50% complete after a 2-4 year dev time?

[@virtualevents65]

Of course they chose the yellow Evo…

[@parkerwayneenforcersofjust4006]

Shout out to the devs for building this game from the ground up 🙏

[@NearlyGoodGamer]

The devs are trolling fans by showing the Forza aero wing

[@channe3049]

At this point, Forza is just a FIFA of racing franchise.

[@benn8793]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds the progression system unconvincing. The same thought occurred to me. They simply want to stretch out the playing time. From what I've seen, the career mode is otherwise structured the same as in the previous couple of games. I had imagined something completely different in terms of progression. For example, lower payouts, fewer gifts, the brand affinity system from previous games. With the xp points they could have limited which cup you can race in next. So that you can only race a certain cup when you reach a certain level. That would have made more sense to me.

[@Beskar181]

They need to also add more customizations. Like tail/head lights, more body kits, bring back adding vinyl to windows, and add previews of liveries on your own car before you select to use it.

[@firefaceguy6479]

Forza has been making a point of insulting our intelligence since Horizon 3. And they've kept getting away with it.

[@Lenron-B06]

I don't think enough heat have made them rethink things.

[@parker73724]

What's really funny about the initial trailer is them choosing to showcase the lancer shows they thought it was the best model they had to show in a trailer.

[@PlanetThrill]

I think the reason why they’re keeping the car models is because having a newer model would mean that people designs and liveries for the cars would have to be scrapped, as well.

[@NerfMaster000]

People can just remake them, this is no excuse

[@vvoof2601]

So then they're scrapped. Quality over quantity.

[@azhurelpigeon]

Well said! If they’re gonna keep models from prior Forza they should at least keep the fun features too! We used to be able to hand pick what AI cars we drove against, even being able to pick cars from our own garage! It was so fun, & added so much creative freedom! But the feature has been gone since FM4! We NEED this back! PLEASE T10!

[@dethiusa2591]

You’d think by now they’d understand what we want🤦🏻‍♂️

[@SimplyCars_]

Im calling it here, this car progression system is here to push micro-transactions

[@archiegreen4995]

Honestly i kinda like the idea of the new progression system I like the idea of having to put time and effort into a car and upgrading it gradually, kinda in a way trying to parallel the experience and connection you’d get with a project car irl

[@svvwoo]

good point

[@user-lq6vm8yt4h]

What a bad excuse seriously in real life the only thing that would limit you is money this systhem is shitty at best you could have all the money you want in the game and not even upgrade a single thing

[@RWoody1995]

its way too much though, it would make more sense if they just did it by making it a bit harder to earn credits and lock classes of car behind a section of the game so for example you break all the cars into a bunch of categories (e.g. entry level daily drivers, high end daily drivers, warm hatches, hot hatches, super hatches, sports coupes, super coupes, sports cars, super cars, entry level race cars, pro-am race cars, pro race cars, extreme race cars, rally classics, rally modern, extreme offroaders (ie dakar type), race trucks, drag-street, drag-pro, drift-street, drift-pro) and then create a series of events you need to complete to unlock that entire category, then you can leave upgrades available from the start as long as you can afford them, then you could make it take say 3-5 hours of gameplay to unlock an entire category which is enough to make it feel well earned and making credits slightly harder to earn means youll still need to gradually upgrade the car as you run through those events and not just slap the top end upgrades immediately, but you're not then making us play for say 15 hours just to max out three cars of the same category (which noone would end up doing unless they were desperate to get the meta car after finding out their first choice was the anti-meta which wouldn't even be a problem if the game would be balanced better.)

[@user-lq6vm8yt4h]

@@RWoody1995 sounds good

[@TransAutumn]

“I don’t care about the graphics, as long as the game is fun” *Continues to complain about the graphics* I’m convinced at this point that people don’t even listen to the words coming out of their own mouths, lol.

[@TomokoxKuroki]

complaining about an ugly as hell wing model that has been reused for almost a decade and is still the ONLY option for most cars that allows adjustable aero, meaning you HAVE to install it if you want your car to perform the best =/= complaining about graphical fidelity???? the whole point is that forza is continuing to tout "advanced" graphical features that sound fancy in a presentation to make the game look marginally closer to reality than the last one in some barely noticeable way, while refusing to fix or change things that people have complained about for several games in a row. they could give the wing 10 trillion polygons and 40000k textures and the most advanced lighting system known to man and it would still look worse than if they just brought back the old forza wing model from forza 4.

[@TomDobo1992]

Love your content dude keep it up.

[@LiquaFusion]

i'm being serious when I say this, there's no video game franchise that I hate more than Forza. it's insane how they're able to get away with such garbage just because they have a monopoly on the racing market. they can recycle crappy graphics, crappy physics, crappy damage models, crappy AI, and crappy customization because they KNOW that they'll sell tons and tons of copies no matter what

[@existentialselkath1264]

The marketing has been pretty terrible but what they've actually shown of gameplay improvements is genuinely great. The biggest complaints for past games has been the hypercasual ramfest of a multiplayer that desperately needed regulations, strategies, and qualifying. The complete lack of progression or ability to earn anything. And personally the physics were quite sluggish. They've fixed all of the above and more. I disliked motorsport 7, 4 is easily the best, and I was skeptical going in after all the talk about visuals, but the actual game seems awesome!

[@existentialselkath1264]

@@GH0STST4RSCR34M - qualifying in multiplayer. - Penalties for corner cutting and ramming. - Driver and safety ratings. - Tyre strategies, proper fuel consumption, and useful pitstops. - Actually good AI that doesn't have to cheat and can supposedly keep up with esports players. - Better AI should make the PI system more accurate as it's based on simulated AI lap times. - Challenge the grid, so you don't have to ram your way through a field of cars and can closely race with the front pack. - I personally like the upgrade system but it's controversial so we won't take that as an objective positive. - The layout of the career mode looks great and it seems to be how live service content will be added (without horizon Playlist style fomo). - There are no wheelspins to shatter progression. - Proper spec series racing in multiplayer. - The physics, while marketed poorly are a genuine improvement and should solve past problems like RNG kerbs. - Tracks are much more detailed, not only visually but physically too with higher poly collisions. - realtime lighting looks worse but has great gameplay improvements by finally allowing full time of day, not to mention improved dynamic weather. - rubbering in is also a thing which is great. - power shifting is gone. - wheels now turn at a higher angle. - many assists are now fixed as to not be a major detriment to lap times. Need I go on?

[@existentialselkath1264]

@@GH0STST4RSCR34M you asked for gameplay improvements. I gave them to you. There's a lot more there than any other forza game has added As for how I know things are fixed? Because that's what we've been shown and told outright. If you're skeptical that's fine but there's no evidence to the contrary until we get hands on so it's all we have to go off. As for the tracks... I could go into realtime global illumination, pbr materials, all that jazz, and explain why you might not like the look of them, but the short story is that the actual geometric quality is a lot better and kerbs have been confirmed to have 3d collisions rather than the old random noise applied to the suspension as you go over them.

[@existentialselkath1264]

@@GH0STST4RSCR34M you didn't ask for gameplay improvements? Read your first comment again.

[@existentialselkath1264]

@@GH0STST4RSCR34M you can't criticise a game for not having something that's been promised, just because it's not out yet. Unless there's evidence to the contrary, the only options are to assume what's been stated is true, or avoid conversations about unreleased products entirely.

[@Lenron-B06]

@@existentialselkath1264 They should have put out a beta, like the crew and mk did.

[@realdopesoundhipster4918]

A lot of people been ignoring all the information turn 10 been providing. Y’all saw Forza aero and closed your ears after that and ask stupid ass questions that they already answered. Soon as Theo mentioned game pass he started to sound like damn fanboy. Wish he had this much shit to say about NFS games but you know he gotta keep those ea sponsors 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@olavofernandes7286]

Doubt he also like other racing games

[@peterp.4391]

The 3-5 hour grind is the main reason me and my friends will not be buying Forza Motorsport at launch unfortunately being the first Forza game we will not be buying until they patch this ridiculous way of progressing since we enjoy collecting as much as driving.

[@existentialselkath1264]

Chris Esaki has said that it takes around 1 hour to unlock most upgrades. It only takes 3-5 hours to absolutely max a car out, and if you're maxing out every single car then what's the point in having different unique cars anyway?

[@peterp.4391]

@@existentialselkath1264 I don’t plan maxing out every car but a good portion of them in Forza Horizon 5 I have 963 cars in my garage and I would say roughly 70% are maxed out I enjoy changing and collecting cars in the game and trying different cars and setups with friends

[@cgiunta630]

The more I hear of this on new forza games the more I can compare the company to twitter seems like they could lose 80% of workers just there to get a paycheck

[@craigpatterson2592]

I really hope that there will be a demo for this game. It will help me to decide if I want to buy the game or not. There will probably be no demo but I will still appreciate a demo.

[@Veketi_]

Get 1 month of gamepass

[@falcongamer5867]

​@@Veketi_no

[@Veketi_]

@@falcongamer5867 skill issue then

[@falcongamer5867]

@@Veketi_ he wants to try the game out, not pay

[@mcgetrekt2388]

​@@falcongamer5867if you don't already have gamepass anyway, what are you even doing

[@heroicsultan7311]

Maybe it’s because finding an unmodified 25 year old car in mint condition to laser scan is harder than you think 🤷

[@SuperCarGuy2007]

Worst excuse I've read, new games can still have way better car models with some cars that are so much older than 25 years... Gran Turismo 7 and The Crew, even Need for Speed are doing it.

[@DriftNick]

Pretty hard to find them if don't bother looking but that is not the reason they aren't doing it.

[@blacksongoku312]

We built from the ground up tho! Over 600 new customization options. Every car has been rescanned to perfection! This is the Forza game of all time! 😂😂

[@BauregardSenior87]

Doesn't matter if it's built from the ground up or upside down built on the ground, they decided to cater to ESG and even in small amounts that's going to turn people away.

[@annybodykila]

Ive cancelled xbox live, game pass, ect im done with it all. I have all the old school games i could want, they dont req internet or paid subscriptions and wont try to sell me in game items/currency and wont show me adds.

[@annybodykila]

Done purchasing new games as well, they can make and release whatever they want im not buying.

[@Drift-Daddy]

It really is mind boggling as to why Forza, no matter how hard they try, can’t get anywhere close to being an actual competitor to Gran Turismo. That just goes to show , even with the vast amount of resources you know Microsoft is throwing at this to make it succeed… What it really comes down to is the raw talent and leadership of a team to produce the best product. There’s only so much money can buy.

[@Kretunio]

Oh it actually became a good competitor to GT and surpassed it at some points vert long time ago. Now we have two good products GT and Forza and both have pros and cons, and both have some shortcuts here and they're. Let's see after the release how good/bad that is in comparison to GT7.

[@DeejayJeanP]

I've been saying it for years.. Forza is just recycling and recycling the same thing over and over again, and love off the monopoly they have because there aren't a lot of other open world racers. It's disgusting, and such a Microsoft move to recycle stuff, which doesn't cost anything, just so they can make a profit. Their formula is: choosing whatever costs the least to get in the game, but will make the most amount of money for them. And everyone falls for it because of the Forza name.

[@olavofernandes7286]

Basically milking the franchise

[@sebastianrichardson396]

Forza people don't understand hard missions. In Gt7, there's a mission that is only possible to beat when the wind is 1. Facing the right direction, and 2. Going the right speed. I spent 3 hours unable to beat this short mission, only to find out from KZbin that I wasn't crazy when I told myself this is the most impossible mission ever.

[@epicyt6057]

Simple steps that will make this game all the much better 1. Take away the level upgrade system 2. Allow Gran Turismo like wing customization

[@tyreselynch6184]

You think the evo is bad...have a look at the R33 in horizon 5....stright garbage

[@mclain8181]

Forza 5 let me down, never investing in forza again

[@itsyaboiLegend]

Horizon 5 and Unbound failed me, never investing into those games again.

[@Manning0151]

@@itsyaboiLegend Horizon 5 is such an overrated mess its unfathomable, game doesnt even open for half the people who try play it on PC🤣

[@chakrah]

Hey Theo! It has been a while since we last heard, just wondering what happened to the Need For Speed M3 not M3 Build has it maybe been sent off to paint or something?

[@izzywond3r]

This video is a step in the right direction. Thanks for making it.

[@Webzterr]

I am a car nerd. Nothing beats GT7 car modelling

[@YOEL_44]

The next generation of racing games is going to be crazy, Ubisoft making the best of the bunch and Forza literally digging their own grave, what a world to be alive...

[@falcongamer5867]

It's upside down

[@SpaceFoxAD]

having the currency be called "CP" is an astronomical overlook

[@mrbeeejr]

What you are saying is true. I doubt call of duty will put such restrictions on guns where a user will have to play with one gun for x number of hours to unlock attachments just so that they can use that gun for a series of Multiplayer modes. This will never work.