FOX Transfer New vs Old vs PNW Loam Dropper Post and New Remote Quick Review

[@JT-MTB]

My Pivot 429 came with a FOX Performance. I hated it. It would get stuck or the lever would lose tension. I swapped it out for a PNW Loam with their lever as well and I love it. I am running one on my hardtail as well.

[@ThunderStruckMTB]

I've been on a Magura Vyron v2 for just over 4 years and it finally has met the end of its life. It was so good, that as I sit here typing my new Magura Vyron v3 is out for delivery! I almost went with a cable actuated post and it was between the Transfer and Bike Yoke, but in the end, I'm just spoiled with a wireless dropper and Magura was the only option for me because of my 1st hand experience with it as well as being unwilling to pay SRAM's ridiculous asking price for an AXS.

[@GokkunGuru]

What went wrong with your Magura V2? And more wireless droppers need to come out. We need more choices.

[@LoveMTB]

I looked at the current v3 also and I agree first hand experience can make a big difference. Lucky with the current droppers as they are way more reliable than 5 yrs ago

[@Vanguard152]

Magura Vyron is imho absolute garbage. V2 as well as V3. Slow, actuation takes forever, etc. Reverb AXS is absolutely thr best wireless dropper by far!

[@seanhornchek6440]

@@Vanguard152 I agree with you. actutation delay is not ok. Ive had 2 AXS posts for a couple of years now with no issues at all.

[@tonyb2760]

My main rider is a 2017 with a KS Lev and it works perfect. I keep it clean and occasionally apply a little fork boost lube to it as well as my fork and shock.

[@KurtisPape]

I had that exact dropper, after a few rides it scratched the stanchions, I sent it back for warranty and it done the same thing. I have also had a bad experience using fork boost lube, it dried sticky and made my fork worse, but I'm glad everything is working for you 😊

[@thearoom]

I love the satisfying sound of the Transfer post. Nice & loud you totally know where you are at top and bottom. the PNW is quiet. I'm not sure if it's hit the top all the time.. it's something to get used to.

[@perfectzero84]

I have the Loam on my bike. It’s been going strong for 2+ years now. It definitely doesn’t snap up as fast but I’m not exactly that fast on the trail so it’s fitting.

[@LoveMTB]

Have been using one for 2 years now problem also

[@jrod0981]

Interesting....every single fox dopper I have owned has had issues and had to get warrantied (about 3 of them). I just recently replaced my fox factory transfer with a OneUp V2 at 210mm. It was lighter than my fox transfer as well by 44 grams.

[@mtbboy1993]

4:45 Not with a mini ratchet. So not been an issue on my BIke Yoke.

[@nenobike]

Great vid as always. Have the exact same dropper for a few months now, works perfectly so far.

[@sheen675]

I was considering Fox Transfer SL but I´ve ended with BY Divine SL and I´m very happy about it.

[@LoveMTB]

If you’re ok with the smaller drop for sure it can be a good alternative

[@Emtbtoday]

I got the same fox transfer koshima coat and same lever on my new embt cube action last week I changed the saddle for my wtb it was a nightmare to fit a new saddle! Top tip don't slide them bolts out it'll never line up again! No matter what I try the top slider sits a few mm back from bottom with a new wtb saddle I fitted also if it's left for a day it will stick the dropper post itself it needs cycled up and down 2 times then all works perfectly till you leave it again for a period of time it's odd! But once its went up and down it sorts itself out

[@LoveMTB]

Make sure you don't overtorque the seat colar, its the cause of a lot of issues

[@Emtbtoday]

I've not touched it yeah I've seen alot on that! I've just got a slight play in rhe dropper like the top crown was loose but it's the whole post when grip it but fox said this is normal 1 to 2mm of play is to stop mud n crud getting into the dropper!? Sounds weird but that's what they said

[@LoveMTB]

@@Emtbtoday it’s normal indeed

[@juanhidalgo7043]

I have the oneup and it is good. My yeti came with the transfer fox kashima and the fox remote. I love it. I still think the Rockshox reverb AXS is awesome since it is electronic. I am happy with all of them. I use the oneup for winter rides as it is ok for the weather abuse. 😅

[@XCRiders]

I went with the Wolf Tooth Resolve Dropper Post and their pro lever 200mm fits perfectly it’s a great post.

[@LoveMTB]

I wondered about that dropper, thanks for sharing your experience

[@lucasbalyeat8746]

I purchased my new Scott genius 900 tuned in 2020. The fox factory wasn't operating properly from the start. "Slowly settling" my bike shop sent it in for service, in the meantime I took my old one off my old bike. I get the new one back, and the same problem still settling, and my old started acting up. Not coming up anymore. I say I want a completely new dropper. Fox won't budge they insist they will rebuild it again. Same thing happens again after second rebuild. Fox says they didn't have inventory. Even tho I purchased a new one on Amazon the same day since I was down two dropper posts. Fast forward end of the year, I threw away the dropper post that came with the bike after being rebuilt twice it still had the same problem, the new one I purchased lost it's snap and was fading fast, the old one I had sent in to Fox for service worked for about two months while I Sent in the one I purchased on my own. To some it all up I switched to pnw loam and haven't a problem, still snappy and functioning perfect, and my brother purchased one also after having the same problem with his fox factory. Not too mention half the price to. I will never support Fox again. Oh yeah and I use the wolf tooth lever for my pnw on my fat bike as Scott has their own system

[@LoveMTB]

We’re also using PNW on most bikes also 😊

[@mantra4inl770]

I bought the tool to press the seal in. I also bought a cheap tool at Amazon to press it into the vise to open the screw, and thats it. I made a tool (to press the seal out) of a wooden stick. I just drilled a hole long enough in the middle. With that i am able to do the small service in less than an our. After 6 years my Fox stuck. After the service it worked perfektly. I have another Bike 2022 with the newer Fox there the seal is screwed. After 2 weeks the problems have begun. This post i also have serviced. After that it works just fine. Maybe it's the SRAM butter 😂 grease, that makes the difference.

[@mantra4inl770]

So it's wrong that you cannot do it at home. But the newer is much easier to service

[@glennmorgan8691]

Another sweet vid thank you LoveMTB!!! If my thumbs weren't so spoiled from axs components I think I would go to the pnw dropper tough to beat the lifetime warranty...Cheers!!!

[@LoveMTB]

Yeah Glenn hard to go back!😊

[@iamjegzola]

I have a factory v2 but prefer the bikeyoke revive. Works nice while it`s working though.

[@lukepranger1145]

I bought a Thomson. The new black one and I’m using the WolfTooth Pro Remote. Very nice post.

[@LoveMTB]

Cool setup!

[@wills4343]

I had a first gen Transfer that died after 2 years, replaced it with a revive, and on my new build I'm going with a revive and a wolftooth remote pro.

[@LoveMTB]

Nice combo!

[@CalvoSaitama]

Just bought 175mm fox transfer factory can't wait to intall it and see the difference vs my OLD chinese 150mm one

[@LoveMTB]

Mine is working 👍

[@wallyedmonds8199]

Oneup 😇 , awesome vid as always 👍🏼👍🏼

[@LoveMTB]

Thank you 😁

[@z33tanner]

Thanks for a detailed review, I like the PNW loam style for serviceability.

[@LoveMTB]

We lik the PNW very much also

[@KOL0WASO]

I AM SO THANK YOUR BECAUSE ALL YOUR BIKE-STUFF VIDEOS ARE TOO AWESOME. AND MANY CONGRATULATIONS FOR YOUR DREAM BIKE GARAGE JAJAJ. WELL ACTUALLY I DON´T USE DROPPER POST (BECAUSE IS NOT NECESSARY WHERE I LIVE) BUT I AM PLANNING TO GET THE NEW VYRON WIRELESS DROPPER POST, FROM MAGURA :) BECAUSE ACTUALLY I AM STILL WITH A NOT INNER WIRED FRAMESET AND OBVIOUSLY IS CHEAPER THAN THE ROCK SHOX OR FOX WIRELESS VERSIONS. REGARDS 🍻

[@LoveMTB]

Definitely let us know how you like it!

[@philn9205]

I had the 9point8 Fall Line R @ 150mm, I like it, but it does require maintenance every ~2 years. I ditched it for 175mm dropper (fits me better) and went w the PNW Loam on all my bikes. It's been bullet proof and PNW occasionally has sales where the price drops down to ~$100. I absolutely love it. I'd rather spend the savings in parts that actually help me ride faster. I have the Loam w the Anomaly Switch grade, IMO, an absolute game changer.

[@LoveMTB]

That is a cool compbo. Do you find it natural switching between sadle tilt positions when needed? Reminds me of the old lever actuated droppers that did not actually work so well and were kind of unsafe.

[@philn9205]

@@LoveMTBI've gotten used to it. I'm comfortable switching my seat position while riding (one hand on the bars while pedaling, downhill'ing not so much). Seat is tilted forward always on the climbs. DH, it depends, Neutral if going DH requires occasional pedaling. If DH is "pure DH" or bike park, always seat tilted back to get it completely out of the way while slammed to the collar. It's been solid in wet and muddy conditions. Switchgrade = game changer for me.

[@bmemtb6619]

I bought a new one a couple of months ago. 200 mm. It does not work as well as I hoped. Often it does not return fully to the top. I'm aware of all the normal mistakes people make to cause this. It's something with the post causing the problem. I'm not the only one experiencing this. Such a disappointment.

[@toddolson7273]

The local bike shop where I’m at all replaced their fox transfer on their personal pivot bikes with another brand because of this issue.

[@Gleeleeglee]

Its known Issues on my 22 sb115 new. Just warrantied it.

[@LoveMTB]

Definitely disappointing I would warranty it FOX is pretty good with that

[@toddolson7273]

I bought a new switchblade last year and it came with the fox transfer with kashima coating. Had it factory warrantied (would stick and not fully extend) two times without a ton of riding. Switched to pnw loam - a huge performance improvement. Fox was junk in my opinion.

[@jaselikesbikes]

Agreed!

[@LoveMTB]

Thanks for sharing sounds like some of the early models did have some quality/ tolerance issues to deal with. 200mm by any chance?

[@toddolson7273]

@@LoveMTByeah 200mm. My switchblade is a 2022 model.

[@LoveMTB]

@@toddolson7273 less bushing overlap compared to other models...you know, the stuff that RockShox tried with the SID and failed miserably

[@jaselikesbikes]

Every Fox transfer that I have had on my bikes stick in the dropped position the first couple of times when going for a ride. If it didn’t come on my bike initially I would definitely not get one after market. I am just waiting for it to fail or annoy me so much I have to get a replacement.

[@LoveMTB]

5Nm on the seat clamp?.

[@jaselikesbikes]

done!@@LoveMTB

[@KurtisPape]

I have heard bad things about the fox transfer v2, I still purchased 1 myself and I was lucky to get a 2023 manufactured post. I believe it was the 2021 post that had warrenty problems with the post getting stuck.

[@LoveMTB]

What kind of bad news about v2?

[@KurtisPape]

@@LoveMTB I believe it was only the early production runs of the dropper in 2021, but people had problems of the dropper becoming 'sticky' and not coming up all the way. All the youtube videos and forums about it are 1 to 2 years old now so we should be all good. I was that confident it's an old problem I purchased the post myself.

[@rdharste]

I recently purchased this post. How do I know the production date?

[@DM-hw4cr]

The transfer post works best with the loam lever. More leverage to the cable.

[@LoveMTB]

Works very well with the Shimano 7mm pull also, maybe need to be a bit more precise with the tension in that cable

[@Emtbtoday]

Do you need to pump the seat abit after been left a couple of days? Ive never used mine yet on my new bike but setting things up today the lever didn't do anything once again till i push down on the seat with leaver pressed in and it's like it recharges and it's all good works everytime till its left again? Probably won't be an issue because will always be sitting on it and might never noticed but just now with it sitting its a brand new bike! i might try adjust the lever cable tension maybe to loose? Its my first modern bike embt at that so its all new from a Giant ATX one i have from my DH days

[@LoveMTB]

No need for any of that. Make sure seat collar is not too tight and remote not too loose!

[@zoubtube]

You don't "Need" to send the dropper to FOX for a full service. This can be done at home. It's actually a relatively easy post to fully service after you've done it once. I've already posted a video on fully servicing the 2021 and newer (2021+) version, which can be found here. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y5eZYXuXmcSBisU&lc=Ugz-qKouJ5ihgK9eV0V4AaABAg I will be releasing a video that will go over servicing the pre-2021 posts but making it as cost-effective as possible because the tools for that version are stupid expensive, unlike the 2021+ version, which is far more reasonable. The process is extremely similar to the 2021+ posts I mention this for those who already have a fox transfer. I'm not judging posts

[@LoveMTB]

Thanks for sharing. The one I was talking about is pre-2021. Great work on your channel BTW!

[@welshtexas1]

I just removed the wiper on my 2017 transfer without using the $430 tool. I warmed up the area holding the wiper with a heat gun, then tapped it out with a one foot long piece of PEX pipe. kzbin.infoAuPLrQciZ54?si=RjNPq-Ju94uFcJi_

[@jaad7562]

The OneUp V3 rules with its lowest stack height and weight and the BikeYoke Revive 3.0 has the best quality and serviceability - there is absolutely no good reason to buy the Transfer beside of that color coordination with your suspension. ;)

[@COOLBIKEyt]

On WWC I can see that Fox Transfer 30,9 x175 is only 6$, more expensive then his twin brother RaceFace Turbine R. I wonder who is buying RF, and It's funny that on it lower leg, you can find FOX logo ;).

[@KurtisPape]

If I knew the Fox lever came with cable and housing it would have worked out cheaper. I went with the wolftooth lever to save $10 when i ended up spending $30aud on a slickwire and housing 😅 so it was $20 more...

[@LoveMTB]

Yeah it comes complete with all you need

[@mtbboy1993]

I had the Bikeyoke Divine for about 4 years, still works, but needs a service I think, seems to be slower, and has more play and clack, clack sound in the play. But Been reliable. But not easy to service, easy to blow oil everywhere. But some of it is not user friendly, like it has internally adjustable travel, the collar is not removable for greasing. I've used EXT suspension lube on it, it works well. But mine is 185mm, it was the longest I could get in Norway at the time. Still no 200mm in stock. But I will get a 200mm dropper for sure. My bike can handle it so why not.

[@trailfork7815]

I hjave a revive on one of my bikes, yeah sucks that you can't just unscrew the collar and dump some grease on there

[@mtbboy1993]

@@trailfork7815 at least the suspension lube worked. few cycles and it's like new. Then wipe.

[@bigdarbs19]

I race XC, have had a dropper on my Canyon Lux for 2 years and never used it once! Probably time to get rid of the extra weight I am carting around.

[@aleksarajkovic3471]

Who asked?

[@bigdarbs19]

@@aleksarajkovic3471 The video starts off with the line, 'Let me ask you something...' so I answered. Perfectly reasonable

[@saidnamor]

How about SHIMANO PRO KORYAK DROPPER POST 120? Have you ever try?

[@LoveMTB]

Unfortunately not as good, sadle clamp is terrible!

[@jrludwig1]

Thanks for the in depth review. I think you lost me at not user serviceable though.

[@LoveMTB]

Yup their approach…

[@jrludwig1]

@@LoveMTB it's really too bad. Otherwise it seems like a great post.

[@ilidiofaria]

Do you know any brand with remote for suspension and dropper post in one piece?

[@LoveMTB]

Don't know if any of the Scott's remotes can be used that way

[@ghostdog6471]

Scott twinloc

[@ajtronic]

OneUp dropper for me. Super easy to fully service, and it’s held up way better and functions more consistently than my PNW dropper I had before.

[@LoveMTB]

For me Oneup started creaking so I moved to PNw on that bike no issues

[@meliodashadeyoshi2115]

The one up dropped v2 is not smooth at all I had a rockshox reverb at the price point of 350 and I was thinking about getting a one-up v2 and it was on a bike brand new and I tried it out and it felt like I was trying to push it through dirt and rocks when my rockshox I could push it down with 2 fingers.

[@_Zane__]

Unrelated note, got a good deal on a cannondale habit hardtail for the wife, I cant remove one of the rear brake caliper bolts, almost stripped it out and it hasnt budged, i assume they used an entire bottle of loctite on it.. fml

[@LoveMTB]

That’s frustrating! Good luck w it

[@_Zane__]

@@LoveMTB I was able to get one bolt loose and it let me center the caliper so it doesn't rub, the other bolt is basically there until the caliper fails and I drill the bolt out lol.

[@LoveMTB]

@@_Zane__ that’s crazy though!

[@TypicalGuy84]

Is this a sponsored Fox video? I was looking at a new dropper, and Fox only had 3 stars. It's mostly cause of 1 & 2 ☆ reviews saying it gets stuck.

[@LoveMTB]

It is not. My experience with 2 FOX droppers so far has been good as you see in the video. Still have the one from 2018 working, nevver serviced.

[@BryantKHill]

I have a Transfer dropper and I’m not entirely impressed. It sticks at the end of return and I can’t adjust the angle of my saddle. Anyone have a remedy for this? I like slight nose down and I can only achieve about level to the ground.

[@LoveMTB]

Are you sure about that? I did not have a problem adjusting the tilt. As for up/ down what’s the torque on your Seatpost clamp? 5 Nm no more is quite standard

[@BryantKHill]

After this I finally found that there is an updated top clamp plate, which I have now ordered that will allow more adjustability. The stiction and the end issue I have it torqued less than 4Nm. I just always have to help it to finish its return.

[@trailfork7815]

also upgraded from a 2019 to the new versiona while back.... all I can say is it's not an upgrade at all the new dropper is sluggish AF

[@wahnyc]

Do you lube it at all? I use a little forkboost lube every few rides or every wash and it’s been working fine for 3 seasons so far… still popping up. The only time it sticks is when i don’t lube it for a while.

[@trailfork7815]

@@wahnyc like that out of the box, it pops up but sluggish AF compared to the old one

[@wahnyc]

But did you lube it? The post definitely dries out and sticks.

[@trailfork7815]

@@wahnyc yes, lubed the stanchions and even added some slickoleum under the collar, the sluggishness is similar to a post with low air pressure I have sent it back to fox but they claim that's how it should be so yeah, I think its worse than the older model which is faster

[@toddolson7273]

Not worth it. Design flaw. Pnw better AND cheaper

[@pedropramireza]

I have tranzX dropper that came with my bike with a ztto remote hahaha almost the same

[@LoveMTB]

That tranzx is very reliable we have one on a beater bike works great!

[@flaviodiogenes722]

Show de bola 🤟

[@clarks888]

Would hardly call a PNW Loam “settling” in my experience. The Fox is less serviceable, and looks to have a longer insertion depth. At least it’s also more expensive! Feels like all you get with a Factory Transfer is to match Factory suspension, but there are things you give up. Performance Elite suspension is so close to Factory that you might as well go that route on suspension and have your pick of droppers, then put the savings towards literally anything else.

[@LoveMTB]

Valid points kind of highlighted in the video 🤓

[@clarks888]

@@LoveMTB agree to agree then!

[@Jacob99174]

Always have great reviews. I should stop watching them, makes me want to purchase new bike parts

[@LoveMTB]

You and me both!😜

[@tl924]

Seems like every KZbin channel loves the Fox transfer but every user actually has tons of problems with them.

[@LoveMTB]

I do not consider myself a KZbinr, but it is something. That I do. Droppers -I have two, one 5 years old and one that you see in this video. Old one is a little slow to extend, new one seems to take some time to break in properly. What other questions do you have?

[@alexmalone1642]

Where it's Romanian translate!u choose go out 😁

[@LoveMTB]

Coming! Just did not have the TIME...

[@esshoul]

H.E.A.V.Y. A.S. F.

[@MartinTeerly]

I owe V2 and pnw components on my second bike. I wouldn't buy fox again.