Is an LS swap really easier/cheaper than a coyote swap; we are going to find out

[@LynnTwinCustoms513]

The ls engine can be had cheaper at the yards but they usually are high mileage units. I’m a fan of both engines to each his own! Just get out there and work on your hot rods 👍🏻

[@byme3480]

No such thing as a high milegage ford these days😂

[@jasonamerica7618]

@@byme3480 I work at a garage and I have seen many F150s with the 5 litre and ecoboost with 200k on them. I guess you don't get out much

[@r.g.5.0.h.o.51]

@@jasonamerica7618 considering the ls has been around since 98 or so an the coyote has been around since 2011 I can understand why the ls is cheaper there's alot more chevys in the junkyard most due to transmission issues so there's more ls motors to be had an would imagine that's why there cheap and Chevrolet's have always been cheaper to build and that's why we see so many welfare hot rods running around

[@jamiewilson9380]

@@r.g.5.0.h.o.51 most due to transmissions?? Yeah that's a funny statement

[@r.g.5.0.h.o.51]

@@jamiewilson9380 ever hurd of a 4l60 or 4l80?

[@mattbo2003]

I’ve done 4 LS swaps and just finished my first coyote swap. The LS is easier. I say this because I had zero issues with headers and transmission fitment. Also Holley EFI is plug and play for the LS. Holley doesn’t support the 6R80 and requires a bunch of extras. The resale value of a coyote swapped car vs LS is a lot better though.

[@HioSSilver1999]

Never heard anyone say a 305 or 350 was unreliable. Probably the most reliable v8 till ls stuff. For sure the most versatile. Sbc was swapped in errthang before there was a ls.

[@tubehead8203]

He's just rambling.

[@mikewhitney6908]

He's a ford guy, they always talk shit about Chevys

[@nohorseindin1603]

Just remember your last and final ride will be GM.

[@Carolina_Boy_93]

😴😴😴. Coyote for me. I'm going to swap a Coyote or 363 DB into a short bed chevy truck. I can't lie, I believe gm made some of the best looking short bed trucks period! But I bleed blue! I'll be sure to put "GM MAKES IT, FORD SHAKES IT" on the back.😂

[@FoxcastMedia]

I love it, and I bleed blue as well, just how I roll!

[@bryanroupe8646]

Theres plenty of Ford engines in GM vehicles. Theres a nasty red s10 on KZbin with a turbo sbf, theres a guy in Florida doing a coyote swapped 69 Camero. Someone did a coyote c10 and I think it was on this channel.

[@foxfordcatguy2283]

BlueOval You "Like a rock because of a Ford block"

[@DIYWithTheRichardsons]

Nooooooo!!!

[@dond5103]

I have a 351w twin turbo marine engine I want to put into a 67-72 c10 if I can find a decent body, rat rod style.

[@nismo2070]

Great video! A lot of good info for anyone contemplating an engine swap. Most people don't realize how much goes into doing one. I have a 97 Mustang that started as a v6. I bought a wrecked 02 GT for 500 bucks and swapped EVERYTHING to my 97. Having a complete car for donor parts made it a lot less painful!

[@user-vz3uf8us7f]

I want to try this with my 3.8

[@markschellhaas]

We are actually doing a LS swap into a 84 Ranger . No its not my idea and yes if you are wondering .it did not fit . I does now . I will probably do a video covering what we encountered . And Yes I did try to talk my customer out of it . we also are doing a full frame chassis and coyote swap in a 1966 mustang . We did not start the project but it was handed off to us by a irritated owner wanting his car finished . keep your eyes open for a video on that also . we have not been doing videos for our builds but maybe its time to step in and give some perspective. Great info on what you are doing and I enjoyed the comparison , Mark , Litttle River Hot Rods. PS THANK YOU for not hiding the FACT that these swaps cost money . its not just buy a box of parts and throw it together !! God Bless

[@BOSS-jf7on]

I will be honest, I am not even remotely interested in anything ls. But,if it's LS (BOSS 302 Laguna Seca ) I am all ears.

[@shotemup123]

In gonna stick a 427 Ford in a c6 vette one of these days. All I need is the correct motivation.

[@rhubarbpie2027]

Your username 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@matt6951]

You mean money, once you have the correct amount of money.

[@jeffsoltis9864]

Seems a bit odd to put a 427 Ford into a C6. The C6 base has the pretty much the same HP/Torque figures and also weighs less. But too each their own.

[@T0YCHEST]

Jeff Soltis 427 was factory 650+hp thats why they cost like 70k cause they got banned in racing because other motor companies couldnt keep up and complained lmfaooo

[@alexchavez9083]

Brain washed

[@vincentdecarlo9812]

LS is cheaper to modify and also cheaper to buy initially, but you still need to figure out the fuel system on both and transmission options. So it's all in what you want and what your wallet can afford, to each is own. I've owned both a Coyote and a LS and they're both good 👍

[@SilverRaven1959]

I would love to see a survey based on the 5.0 Coyote and the 6.2 SS engines. See which one really sells for cheaper. They don't give any GM LS Engine away at our local yards...same price if not more as the Coyote.

[@vincentdecarlo9812]

The cheaper LS motors are going to be the iron block truck motors, that's the motors that are cheaper and you can still make huge power with both. Like I said to each is own, me personally I'm a LS guy. I've owned both a Coyote and a LSA in a Camaro ZL1. It's a fact that the LS series is cheaper to modify the internals of the motor and the heads, bolt on parts are about the same. Also the LS series are interchangeable as far as parts. Like I said I've owned and modified both and both are good, but in my opinion the LS is the best for me👍

[@andrewmcmillan8110]

I picked up a donor Silverado with everything for $1500. This isn’t my first LS swap but it seems straight forward. I’m also cool with having to fabricate a few parts of needed. My plan is to put a decent size turbo on it with a Holley terminator x and have some driving the first car I’ve ever owned. I don’t really care what people say about it because it’s not their car and not their money.

[@mikewhitney6908]

The gauges in that truck will work with the original sensors, you'll just have two oil pressure and two temp sensors in the block, one set for the pcm and one set for the gauges.

[@brandonjenkins4385]

Every swap is different and every swap is a challenge. There are a lot of variables that come into play when doing a engine swap but I would still choose the LS. I say that because of cost availability parts and information support when it comes to the ls. You can pick up an LS from the junkyard for $200 on a half off day versus the $2,700 average coyote that he spoke of in his last video. After you have your motor then you're probably going to be running into some of the same problems with both Motors but there are more ls swap kits available for more vehicles. I can give many reasons on why I think that LS swap is better but in the end cost is what makes things easier to me. If I cant afford it then I can't do it.

[@BackyardBMX73]

I don't even wanna talk about how much we have in our 1973 Nova LS swap. Way more than my coyote swapped fox and we aren't even close to having everything for the Nova!

[@joeyfink3294]

Is it easy to just put a LS in anything well that is what everyone says so it must be true NOT the LS is one of the hardest to swap

[@BackyardBMX73]

@@joeyfink3294 I'll find out soon lol

[@trentdawg2832]

I gotta 73 nova I swapped it with a 5.3... Never ran better...very cheaply too!!!

[@BackyardBMX73]

@@trentdawg2832 I'm sure it can be done at a reasonable cost, but our 73 is an I6 car so we are upgrading a lot of parts as well.

[@trentdawg2832]

@@BackyardBMX73 yea that will make a slight difference. ...not much though....my 68 c10 started with a l6, I also 5.3 swapped that one too and it was even cheaper cause on the trucks you don't have to worry about oil pans and intakes.....the i6 prolly still weighs more than the 5.3 so technically your front suspension should be fine just maybe brakes might not be up to par....I'm guessing drums that's what most i6s have from that era

[@luckymuse9590]

My brother and I have swapped a 6.0 into his 09 Colorado and a 5.3 into my 99 s10. Now i want to swap a coyote into my 91 GT. A swap is a swap and its costs no matter what!

[@HeathsHobbyLobby]

This guy is not being completely honest, he never once mentioned that the LS is a smaller engine on its exterior dimensions, and for a lot of swaps that matters a lot. Of course not so much for a big truck engine bay. Also a lot of upgrades are cheaper for an LS then it is for a coyote engine and are easier to perform. It's cheaper to buy one cam and easier to install than it is a coyote engine for example. Heads are cheaper too, and there is a lot more used options out there. There is a reason people 90% of the time choose the LS engine for a swap. And you can make a lot of easy cheap reliable power.

[@lifeonadime4703]

I'm not stupid loyal to any brand. They all run. They all break. I'm a Mopar guy at heart but, iv got a 2 year old son named Chevy and a mustang gt sitting in my yard. I'm just all mixed up lol

[@FranksShitBoxCollection]

I've been wanting to do a Coyote for a while but the price of just the engine is what is preventing me from doing so. I did my 78 El Camino with a junkyard 5.3 and a rebuilt 4L60E for a little under $2,500. I can't seem to justify spending that kind of money on a Coyote when I can get a complete running swap for just as much.

[@bobbygoodman5401]

Everywhere you go somebody has a ls swap in something. Thats all you hear about. They never tell you about the jug of 10w40 behind the seat

[@neilbrown82]

Lol bs

[@haulinasstv2372]

The Ls is physically allot smaller and lighter then the coyote, the factory engine harness is easily turned into a stand-alone harness, factory gm ecu is fully tunable with hp tuners through obd2 port, can pick up a running 5.3 for $500 and turbo it to high hell stock don’t matter if it blows up pick up another for $500, people been Ls swapping crap for 20+ years there’s used parts everywhere, I like cars in general, I’m not a brand whore, Ls’s just make the most sense

[@mattk7827]

While it's interesting, I'm more interested in the coyotes and foxbody tinkering!

[@trickflow93]

Biggest difference between ls and coyote swap is in my opinion the ease of upgrading the engine to make more power. The ls is a way easier platform to work on and upgrade. Both swaps can be pricey if done right and not cobbled together

[@addisondoty4231]

LS is only easier to upgrade because it's been on the market longer there's a ton of aftermarket parts for it the coyote is still relatively new and there's only a few aftermarket parts out there compared to the LS but I agree with you that LS is easier do because of the aftermarket support

[@donalderdbrink647]

Rob Woollen Actually,someone doing a LS would definitely need some kind of wrenching skills because its gonna need cam/head swap to make good power that means the whole top half of the engine has to come apart! Coyote is just bolt on's and tune,internals in the coyote cams/heads rotating assembly is good to at least 900-1,000 hp without having to do anything inside the engine..

[@trickflow93]

Donald erdbrink while yes you are correct to a point i have personally seen high dyno numbers on an ls as well as coyote with stock components and power adders. But having worked on both motors in n/a form the ls is still an easier platform to work on and upgrade. Just like the windsor platform is and any other pushrod motor. Coyote is a great engine no doubt. But upgrading ease is still going to be a pushrod based motor always

[@donalderdbrink647]

Rob Woollen coyote is full bolt on I'm not really sure how the ls easier if you have to do cam/heads but anything is easier when your familiar with it,LS has been around for a while and ther actually becoming more expensive do to the fact that supply is gonna be less n less as time goes on..

[@donalderdbrink647]

Micheal KTA when we're talking about wrenching,the average guy or girl can't even do a head/cam swap on anything,so when I say easier,you don't even have to open a coyote up, just bolt parts on.hence the four cams and about 8 ft of chains that you dont have to mess with, assuming you know how as well as I know how to wrench but most people just can't and they will have to take it to a shop which drives the cost up.and yes it is physically larger but it fits in a mustang from Fox body and newer and I'm cool with that!

[@joseiturbide4175]

Ive done ls swap and its way better than any ford engine period

[@dirkdiggler4843]

Simple answer. Absolutely yes. LS for life ✌ my 88 gt has had an LQ9 for 5 years now. Ultra reliable and it was a 3rd the price. Especially when you include the prices for aftermarket parts.

[@neilbrown82]

Rite on!!

[@ricktotz4078]

So for you it’s all about the price not the quality

[@americantrucker2452]

@@nopleaseno2515 well Said 💯

[@trashbandit2449]

@@ricktotz4078 it's about the value

[@99naSvt]

The amount of ls swap parts available is unreal now...what's easier and cheaper is really determined by the level of persons skills and what they have access too

[@davidmartin2231]

99naSvt there’s a reason it’s in a shop. Money has to be thrown at it

[@jameswspangler242]

I'm a Ford man hands down, but I did buy a 73 nova and everyone tells me to do a LS, so yes I would like to see you swap the truck.

[@83gt17]

I'd love to do an LS swap. Into a Malibu. Or a Monte. Or, for the unexpected factor, an IROC. Not understanding the fox ls swap.

[@adambrooks2297]

The fox LS swap is done because the individual wants a ls in a light foxbody Mustang, GM vehicles tend to be on the heavier side! Lol they probably have more foxbody ls swap kits available more so than for the Coyote Foxbody swap!

[@paullane7489]

Adam Brooks I wouldn’t argue those points with you but then you’ve got a ford car with a GM motor. I definitely don’t understand the appeal of that. I mean are you s ford guy or a GM guy? If you like the LS that much, just put it in a GM car. They are not heavier or significantly heavier than a fox body. I’m a ford guy but not a huge coyote fan because of the limited displacement and the huge size of a coyote because of the 90 degree cylinders and wide overhead cam heads. But the only possible situation where it would be cheaper to do an LS swap than stay with a small block ford would be in a stock bottom end build. Lots of LS swapped foxes have built LS motors and their is basically no advantage at all when comparing a built LS to a built Windsor.

[@Left3332rot]

@@paullane7489 for years alot of guys at tracks put chevys in fords because torque and 4 bolt mains for strength.

[@paullane7489]

Left3332rot again I wouldn’t necessarily disagree with you but they also used to swap Lincoln motors into GM cars in the 1950’s. I understand swaps between brands have always happened and because of sheer numbers of GM fans and GM cars, most swaps are GM motors into other brands. That being said, you could argue all day that a Windsor was as good or better than a gen one small block Chevy. When comparing aftermarket blocks, rotating assemblies and heads, you could even easily argue a Windsor is equal to or some would even say better than an LS. I guess it depends on your goals and budget, but GM motors in Fords don’t appeal to me and never have. I like both brands but I would never mix the brands motor and vehicle. But that’s just me. I guess my only issue with LS swaps in Fords is that I believe it’s mostly KZbin and internet hype driving the trend. Plenty of those swaps are done by people that did them because they heard that was the way to go on the internet. I also feel like some people do that swap just to piss off Ford people, and that’s just stupid. It’s pretty crappy if you build a car just to piss off a group of people.

[@Left3332rot]

@@paullane7489 I am building a 1986 ranger and putting a ls in it because of cost. I would love to do a 393 or 408w but that would be 6k just for heads and stroker kit and machine shop. I can put a 6.0 ls for 800 and a pair of 5.3 heads for 300 and a cam and get 11.1 cr and 445whp and 400 tq for $1400 and now Holley has the terminator x for $1300 with ecu and harness so for 2700 I'm done and a coyote is $4k minimum and prob wont fit in ranger frame and I saved $3200 on a Windsor stroker and 1300 on a coyote.

[@rollinthunder7772]

Putting a gen 3 ls in my fox and cant wait! Love the 302 but came across a hella deal ill do a LS so why not its America and its my car I do what I want!

[@timmartin4798]

I'm a Ford guy all the way but LS swap is definitely easier and cheaper.

[@sethster70]

Dakota digital or 91 suburban cluster it’s still squarebody but electronic. Ict billet makes a bracket that mounts 88-mid 90s pancake style ac compressor on passenger side head and use 88-mid 90s Chevrolet ac lines. If you want to use factory ac compressor with engine really should have used tejas mounts. Those old square bodies are one of the easiest swaps.

[@Boostismyfriend]

I have owned and install plenty of ls swaps in everything from Chevy trucks to mustang’s, I swap my s10 years ago for $600 it went from running 8.0@87 to 8.26@85, well worth the swap, I will say this! the motors are cheap but time is not, swap can be done cheap but most swaps are not as cheap as people talk about because to be honest most people that don’t have the know how and will have to pay someone to do it for them which always cost money, I had a bone stock ls1/4l60 that ran 7.70@89 in a hatch car and 7.0@100 on 125 shot years ago, same car went 7.10@99 on the motor with a 6.0 t56, then went 6.12@117 with a 276,000 4.8/ turbo t56 setup, the best swaps are the ones you do your self, and a tip the best way to get gauges for cheap is get the factory sensor off the old school and adapt them......

[@foxfordcatguy2283]

boostismyfriend So you spent $600 and slowed down .26 and 2 mph?!

[@Boostismyfriend]

Yes, motor for motor, the ls has been 7.1@98 with a auto and 7.2@102 straight drive on the gas, it also gained about 12 more mpg, floorboards became a lot cooler, it’s was night and day better to drive, 355 sbc 530 lift solid roller, 650dp to a stock 5.3, it used to get driven on the weekend after the ls it’s been a daily for the last 4 years,

[@Boostismyfriend]

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[@ahoneyman]

This is one data point. Just finished with my coworker's LS swap. Mainly just did some welding and exhaust fabrication. The engine was a 4.8 with 120k and a trashed harness for $500. The car is an 87 shell 5 speed. LS MSD box and carb manifold from eBay used was around $700. T5 trans with GM bell housing was traded for. Carb was free and flow regulator was free. It doesn't make anywhere near the power of a Coyote. If it did the T5 would last about about a second. There's just so much LS swap stuff out there and any problem you have someone has already dealt with. It's not that fast but it's a lot of fun. His original plan was a stroker 347 build but those are spendy once you factor in machine shop time.

[@robertelee6712]

It's incredibly easy and way cheaper. I've done the exact same swap into the exact same truck and can be done right for under a grand. Just remove the vats from the computer and you are ready to go. I have a friend that swapped a LS into his fox with a few mods and no one can touch him(I wouldn't do it to my fox). As far as the guages in this truck the only think you must do is buy the mechanical to electrical for the 4L60E. The power steering will hook right up to the old gearbox. These swaps are incredibly easy and cheap. Dollar for dollar LS to coyote the LS will win every time.

[@joeyfink3294]

Plz tell me did you do the swap cause you sound like the people he is talking about have you done it

[@robertelee6712]

@@joeyfink3294 Do you see my profile pic? That is a LS swapped 6.2 Ls engine in a old Chevy truck . I have done tons of ls swaps. I am about to help a friend swap a 5.3 into a 64 impala in a couple of weeks and a 68 c10 after the impala. I watch foxcast because I love foxes but Ls is what I like the most and what I swap into older cars and trucks all the time. A LS swap is extremely easy and cheap to do.

[@TheRdub82]

You're talking about technology which is true, but plain and simple... LS gets down amd performs 🏁🏁🔥🔥

[@TrojanHorse1959]

Phew, I almost got sick to my stomach seeing that LS in your shop...LOL! I've been hearing more and more people calling the LS swaps, "Loser Swaps." I think a lot of people are just afraid of the modular/coyote swaps because they are too intimidated by them, thinking they are too complicated for them to figure out. Some also claim that they don't have enough room for the modular/coyote swap, but I'd bet in most cases it could be made to fit with a little extra work. In the end though, it's their choice and they can do whatever they wish.

[@jamiewilson9380]

Key factor in your comment a little extra work. Ls engine fits right in a fox body with factory power steering and ac. All you have to do is reroute the hoses. Buy $40 motor mounts and $250 headers

[@TrojanHorse1959]

@@jamiewilson9380, Yeah, but it's still just another ls swap. They've been done to death and are so commonplace that they are extremely boring now. Since they are now available as crate engines and they can make an easy N/A 600 hp with a few minor changes from factory stock, the new 7.3L Ford gasoline engine looks like it's going to be a serious player and a possible ls killer. Just think of what it may be capable of with boost or nitrous. They will get cheaper too, as time passes and people can start getting them from salvage yards.

[@streamsniperontheshitter8232]

@@TrojanHorse1959 GM has a crate 6.6 that Will compete with Ford 7.3 and hopefully in the future we can see a true shoot out between the 2

[@lsx6.279]

There is more support for ls then coyote. Can argue all day about it but you got multiple company's that have a crap ton of parts. Its all about how big your pocket is and what you perfer. We can talk about it all day. All preference! If you looking to make the power out the box as a 5.0 you need to go with a 6.0 to 6.2. Im doing my 3rd gen camaro ls swap. And that original drive shaft slides into the 4l60e. It all falls back to your pockect. I went with hooker trans mount that supports 4l60e and a 4l80e. Just swap a small plate. Mounts got ls mounts for 200 bucks. The wiring i redid the original haress to standalone. Used same ecu just deleted vats. Got the 5.3 with wire hareness and ecu for 250 bucks. Just keep it updated im curious to see what you cover. For what the price tag of a 5.0 you get trans and motor 6.2. The control module you mentioned (5.0)in a video was (700) compared to deleting vats and running standalone rewire original. The standlone hareness is about 600 ( if you wanna pay)the original ecu can find some with deleted vats for 200. And im high balling the ecu. Also you got multiple accessory layouts. Truck ls1 fbody ls1 ls2 ls3 to fit your needs.

[@roberttaylor5999]

Meh. I'd rather just see more Ford content. If I wanted to see ls swaps I'd watch Cletis McFarland. They blow one up just about every time they go to the track. lol

[@fifedog30]

Phenomenal KZbinr but you're absolutely right, especially with Ruby lol but he does have a GT500 powered crown Vic that absolutely rips. Awesome stuff!

[@HioSSilver1999]

@@fifedog30 it blew up way early

[@matt6951]

The crown vic has blown up a few times. You're just not paying attention, the ls doesnt blow up any more than any ford. Stop being biased, it makes you look dumb.

[@utahcountypicazospage5412]

Well let’s do the math coyote cams $1800 for 15 hp. ls cam kit $600 70 hp both can rev to 7500 or better. And all you have todo is look up beater bomb and that shows what a fox ls can do

[@dotzpowerhouse]

Would love to see it but I’m Ford by heart

[@ryanpatrick3347]

I think it's a cool swap in a nice truck and I am curious about what you will run into along the way. And especially cost wise because you are right people say a bunch of crap about how easy it is.

[@darrickbrodie1280]

Just show/talk about the important stuff like wiring, plumbing, and fab work that had to be done on the Chevy.

[@alfonsosalgado6352]

First LS is massed produced in alot of vehicles since 1997 and thats why people have figured them out and fixed all their bad issues. Coyotes barely started dont know like 2010 or so. They are only offered in mustang and f150 so havent had alot people really messed with them. modular engines have had many issues through out the yrs from the timing chains guids breaking, spark plugs get stuck. this is fords fault for not making these engine easy to repair. I never understand why ford couldnt make simple, big horse power engines.

[@SuperTurbocoupe]

All swaps are not equal. Coyote will almost always be harder and more expensive than an LS. The reasons for it aren't always obvious though. LS is a compact V8, requiring less attention to fitment than the coyote. LS engines are cheaper to acquire, have a much larger aftermarket, and solutions are plenty. BTW, there is nothing custom really required for the power steering, the old lines work fine. AC hoses for the swap are available and are inexpensive.

[@turboman351w3]

ls upgrades is cheaper , fastest way to make easy power is an ls or 351w basically a push rod motor is cheapist by far sorry foxcast media but your wrong on this one.

[@neilbrown82]

@@donalderdbrink647 you can literally pull an LS complete out of a truck with engine harness and use the stock computer.... Stock harness can be reworked to swap into any vehicle.

[@northernjoethedroneguy1378]

@@neilbrown82 Exactly what was done to my 08 mustang. Even used the stock truck intake and oil pan!

[@KillSpawn47]

I’m a Chevy fan but thk u for being honest about it not being easy and that goes for any engine that isn’t stock to the vehicle but the engine is cheaper no matter how you slice it 👍🏽

[@1993fox-t4p]

As a Car guy I believe any kind of swap is interesting that being a 2jz in a jeep or Coyote swapping a Ranger, Really anything that brings that much more meaning in our daily lives.

[@nealcarter1303]

Yet to see a junk yard coyote for $500. Not to mention you can run an LS based motor with an old turbo 350 or 400 with just a spacer for the flex plate.

[@FoxcastMedia]

The LS has been around since '99, the yote came out in 2011

[@BlueTx68F100]

Neal Carter exactly right! Don’t expect any unbiased info from this channel.

[@Looptydude]

@@FoxcastMediathey also put the engine in everything from camaros, trucks, suvs and cadillacs, coyotes only come in mustangs and f150s

[@nealcarter1303]

Actually since 97. Love your channel man! Still waiting to see you put a 2step on your car.

[@crownvictorialifestyle4421]

Neal Carter you'll never find a coyote in the junkyard for that price and if you do don't touch it coyotes haven't even been out for 10 years yet so their value is a little bit higher

[@paullane7489]

I’m a ford guy but I’m not a huge coyote fan. I don’t like the complexity of the cams and timing the valvetrain. I also don’t like the rather large size of the coyote with the 90 degree V and wide overhead cam heads, particularly how large it is for a 5 liter motor. I would never even consider LS swapping any Ford vehicle, but why swap a coyote into a fox too? You think a coyote is really superior to a 400+ cube, built aftermarket block Windsor? I am actually asking. I don’t think so but maybe you could convince me that a coyote is superior to a built Windsor. Anyway, love the channel but I don’t quite understand all the hype with swapping from a Windsor platform to a coyote.

[@Panchitoisdead714]

So basically if you have the money you go coyote if not you go LS

[@TallGarage]

yes, yes it is, im putting a LS in my s197, nice video btw.

[@e.honchoo9596]

Where did you get your motor from

[@TallGarage]

@@e.honchoo9596 Craigslist

[@ktga67ish]

I wanted to hear real comparisons between $$ amounts, time it takes and reliability.

[@rudde67ssm62]

Put simply...ls is way cheaper.....

[@jasonamerica7618]

I would like to see money comparison also. Not just someones opinion

[@user-qr7ee2cp4y]

the money is one thing but i'm most interested in the time and what needed to fabricated/changed. i think the LS drops in and you more or less just have to plumb it and wire it. because of the size of the coyote, i think you need to completely mess with the whole engine bay. Like when Ford put the boss 429 in the mustang, they had to move the shock towers and suspension. you need to really redesign the steering linkage and the brake master cylinder. i like the coyote better than the LS, but think they're a reason why see so many LS swaps and not that many coyote swaps. i not sure there's some grand conspiracy going on....

[@alexchavez9083]

Dollar for dollar the LS is the way to go If you want to throw your cash go with a Coyote or a Ford motor

[@midnight347]

@@alexchavez9083 going into a mustang the price difference isnt nearly as great as yall make it out to be. Only high mile 4.8 and 5.3s ars going "cheap" as in south of 500 bucks...you can get a truck gen 1 coyote for well below 2 grand for a higher mile one so the cost isnt as far apart as ya might think up front. Then youll run into alot of stuff making the ls work in the mustang you would if you was doing a coyote. If its going into a 96 up mod motor car the coyote is essentially a direct swap and you only have to mess with the wiring and tuning which that is what the control pak is for to make life easier. You can even use the stock trans it all bolts right up a gen 1 coyote truck motor could be swapped into a 96 up mustang for not that much more than an equal high mile 5.3. If youre going 6.0 price is even higher...ls3 or newer lt stuff its coyote money so youre not saving anything going that route. Pay a little more and go with a gen 2 motor and you can slap a turbo on it or blower or whatever onto the stock untouched long block and make 800+ to the tires pretty reliably with no other changes no headwork no cam no none of that. I know what the ls can do also so save that response. It isnt nearly as much cheaper as you guys make it out to be when you start comparing apples to apples. You cant compare a low mile gen 2 or 3 mustang motor against high mile 4.8 and 5.3 truck engines from 15-20 years ago. Compare that to the closet to it coyote wise the gen 1 truck motor high mile can be had well under 2k and the engine itself is the only thing youre saving money on because as far as the swap itself going into a mustang its gonna be just as extensive if not more so far as making it work in the vehicle with fuel injection and all that still working (not talking about swapping a carb on it). Ive seen some truck coyotes just over a grand for higher miles it is starting to get alot closer to ls money than you ls guys wanna admit. The longer they make coyotes and the more that come available the cheaper theyre gonna get. So the swap itself isnt really cheaper outside of the engine itself and it damn sure dont take much to get to big power with a coyote. No need to do any headwork or cam swap like what is required in some ls builds to get to 700-800+. Ls is great and all but swapping into a mustang isnt that much easier or cheaper than a coyote swap especially 96 up mustangs with mod motors. I firmly beleive this based on everything ive seen on the subject.

[@DR440]

The LS is a great platform.... but in my opinion it does not belong in every vehicle that was ever made. There is really no dirt cheap way to engine swap. It will all cost you money regardless. Around here, an LS will cost you a minimum of $1500. Then you need a trans and then all the stuff to make it work. How cheap is it really?? ....not so much...It's actually nice to see something anymore that's not another LS swap. People have the freedom to build whatever they like and it's a great thing but I'd prefer not to be bandwagon...

[@ryanmalin]

A swap is a swap. I’m a ford guy but I can respect Chevy stuff. Heck, I drive a Chevy truck with a LS in it as my daily driver. It’s a great truck but I’m still a ford guy in my heart. I’m interested to see how the LS swap goes. And I’m glad you’re keeping a General Motors Truck all GM. I generally dislike when someone puts a LS in a Ford. Sometimes you can’t stay with one manufacturer. Like when making a monster Miata. You have to pick another manufacturer because Mazda doesn’t make an 8 cylinder engine. Thanks for all the hard work. Love the channel

[@crownvictorialifestyle4421]

The coyote definitely cost a little bit more to get it running right you got to buy the right parts the ls everything is in the yard that you need to run it almost coyotes you have to go to aftermarket companies to get certain things from which in the end adds up on the cost

[@ericblais53]

Yes...LS swap is good, IN A GM VEHICLE! Guys doing it in a Ford, that's fine, for themselves. ME?...I wanna put an 5.0 from an '01 Explorer in my New Edge. Yes, I'm Ford all the way! Great work you are doing, keep it all up.

[@brianstough5286]

Take a tape measure and see how much room there is in your engine bay - then measure a coyote. I'll wait.......

[@kylelehde3314]

I just laugh at people who say coyote is better than ls and bad thing is I was a really big coyote guy until my friend let me drive his truck with a ls 6.2 and my brother cousin has the 5.3 and I fell in love with the coyote

[@JohnnyRebKy]

As good as the aftermarket EFI systems like Edelbrock Pro Flow are getting I’m not so sure I want a coyote swap anymore. I didn’t know how far these EFI systems have come over the years until lately. Probably be cheaper and less of a headache to throw a Edelbrock EFI on the old school motor. After all that’s why people want LS and coyote...it’s about the mpg and EFI. So you can EFI a old 302 or 351 and put a 6 speed behind it and get really close to coyote efficiency. I saw a guy who put a Edelbrock EFI on his 396 big block Chevy and went from 11mpg to 15.5mpg. That’s a huge gain and due to the EFI swap alone!! Probably would be more after adding a 6 speed

[@andrewslagle1974]

Why would you want efi, a holley is so much simpler cheeper and when tuned right run awesome !

[@scottcraft7690]

I have a k5 blazer I want to put a 6 liter in one day so I think an ls swap in older GM vehicles is a great idea.

[@jerryjustice5809]

Yes I want to here more about it putting a L92 6.2L in my 1989 fox

[@enigmacamaro]

L92 heads work on a 6.0 if you dont have any worries for weight and are on a tight budget

[@daytona1445]

Not cheaper but if you need it California legal E-Rod from Chevy is easier for emissions

[@johncorbell4471]

I'm not bias either way, I have my first truck still, a 72 shortwide chevy, but I love Fords also, my dad has a 49 pickup and mom has a 66 Mustang! I'm just a car guy period and love em both!

[@NissanTy]

I'm a ford man but I respect the LSX engine. My gripe is, EVERYONE swaps LS engines. When I see a car with an LS engine I don't even get impressed anymore. That said, the LS is still a good engine and can make a TON of power

[@Stormtrooper_sxt]

I got an 05 gt 3v so is honestly rather ls swap than coyote swap.

[@horsepowerchronicles4220]

The fun part of the old school fox build is that you get injectors, mass air, letter cam, heads, intake and headers and you don't have to go run to a tuner for every mod to make it run. If new tech is so much better, why do the new school guys have to run to their tuner or dyno every time they do something?

[@loufernando7617]

Because the computer is more sensitive to change but this also means that it's trying to react how it's supposed to I bet when the started cars guys on horses told them they ride for free but then have to feed an clean up there shit when it poops just good to keep trying to make things even better and less issues as we get smarter as a society

[@addisondoty4231]

I don't know if you'll read this but I have an 87 Ford Ranger and I have a Gen 2 coyote that I'm going to put into it with a 2-speed Powerglide I want to know if there's anything I can do to make this swap easier I'm deleting the Factory AC I'm redoing the electrical and wiring harness in the entire truck and I'm going to go with painless to get the wiring harness done I'm going to do a universal kit with Vintage Air and I know it's going to take a long time to do I've already boxed and reinforce the frame I've done the body work in the engine bay I just need to know is there anything I can do to make it easier. I forgot to add I have all the necessary suspension parts and the new rear end

[@PeeterPuncher]

I've seen it too many times, when you meet someone that flaps their gums about how LS's are cheaper and easier and say they've done it, blah blah blah...... then when and if you see their work don't acknowledge they only got by by doing the bare minimum and the half dozen things that were'nt finished as well as the smaller detail stuff like clean wiring, plumbing, as well as A/C and guages working correctly. To do any swap, Chevy or Ford, if done right will have some difficulties and be expensive.

[@rudde67ssm62]

Done right is an "opinion" really....

[@tedjones-ho2zk]

Generally speaking LS swaps are considered easier since the physical size of the engine is smaller than the Coyote. Also with the Coyote the cross member has to be replaced to make it fit in the engine bay also if I'm correct. What's nice about the LS engines is the massive flat torque curve in a smaller package, yes I said package. Also the look of the older cars and trucks are so much better than the cookie cutter auto's we have today. As always I enjoy the content.

[@foxfordcatguy2283]

T Rust You don't have to change the Fox K-member to fit a Coyote. Aftermarket headers are needed though. But MM&FF mag did one awhile back and were able to use the stock S197 headers that came on it by notching the factory K-member.

[@jaysonescoe5799]

Dude..... like I just commented on Brew2L you’re the other Bob Ross on why we love The Blue Oval.... just need the fro!!!! Eh it’s already been done over and over. Beat a dead horse 😂😂😂😂😂

[@captainsledge7554]

ive done alot of LS swaps. theyre much cheaper, just depends on the car, and your demographics. ive never done a coyote swap. so here i am trying to learn which is cheaper. i do know an LS is extrememly reliable, gets better fuel mileage, and you can get more bang for your buck. But im building a mustang currently, and its got a 4.0 in it. runs great, but its going to be a tribute to barricade from transformers, so it needs a little more power lol

[@gabrielmartinezmota4048]

Hola amigo, me gustan mucho tus videos, no entiendo mucho el inglés, pero el gusto por estos autos es universal.. Tengo un hardtop 79 Saludos.

[@jordinhines8606]

Do it, show wat its like and sum things you would run into wen doing the swap, that would b nice

[@mattoliver7650]

DO IT!!! Just my opinion, there needs to be a reference point. Like you said in the video, people jumping on the a band wagon with out having data to back up what is being said(paraphrasing). So, DO IT. Get that data so there is at least something to go off of. As a bonus, it's coming from a real world aspect. Meaning it's from a point of view from like the everyday Joe. Not from someone who can be like "Take this stack of cash and get it done.".

[@bullitt3275]

completely agree i don’t like the ls d*ckriders and i’m very glad you’re calling them out and ranting about it. btw great videos lately

[@rudde67ssm62]

How is that different from coyote dickriders? jw

[@bullitt3275]

@@rudde67ssm62 there are 1000x more ls dickriders than coyote dickriders so it dosen't matter

[@rudde67ssm62]

@@bullitt3275 apperently you havent been on the yote pages lol....i like them both. Ive done several ls swaps. They are way cheaper the coyote all day everyday. but the prices are coming down for the coyotes so. That is good.

[@svtdavethechannel3035]

Im a ford guy but love the ls tho

[@briangoudreau5793]

I did the same swap in a c10 it’s not cheap if you do it right ya go gets junk yard motor is cheaper. But when you buy a motor low miles you’ll pay I was into mine well over 12k all said and done and that was my labor

[@jaimeedwards1269]

Ls engines are easier to swap then coyotes for the simple fact there's more information and aftermarket parts available for LS swaps vs coyote

[@joseiturbide4175]

Im doing an ls swap on a foxbody notch and its much more fun

[@ginerbread84]

the aftermarket support is alot larger also easier to find parts and pieces because of that, i can get an Ls drivetrain for couple hundred bucks at the yard

[@moo.johnference869]

I Own a 1954 FORD F100 pickup that I swapped an LS / 6- speed 10 years ago , after driving over three hundred thousand miles on a 350 carbed 4 speed in that same F100 . I finished a coyote / 6 speed swap last year in this same F100 . There is a HUGE difference in everything, COYOTE all the way !! Ford makes it easy with most of the parts needed . This is not a show truck , I drive the holy bee gee's out of it every single day on the southern California freeways .

[@urielpaz8023]

I have a 1996 f150 just want to get rid of the 302 can I gut out everything from a 2nd generation coyote f150 and use HP Tunner to make it work

[@twiztedmowers2]

I like this. My buddy just ls swapped his 83 c10 but im gonna 5.4 swap my 94 f150.

[@twiztedmowers2]

Im getting a engine and trans with wiring harness and the computer for 2 grand with less than 70 thousand miles. His came out a old suburban he had and has over 2 grand in his swap.

[@tinkeringtrucker5196]

Ls is certainly cheaper and dollar for dollar more power for the money. Better..... Meh..... Thats all opinion. I 5.3 swapped a 67 c10, new oil pump, cam, lifters, valve springs, water pump, pan, headers, flywheel added power steering, msd, carb intake, 1406 carb. Under 5k for the swap to be on the rd.

[@jamiewilson9380]

Key factor too settle it all its WAY CHEAPER TO DO A LS SWAP THAN A COYOTE SWAP! You can buy a 6.0 L truck engine for a $1000 bucks do a cam change and make 500hp. Buy a race trans for a $1000 buy a Holley commander that will self tune the engine with any setup for a $1000. Let me see you do that with a COYOTE

[@lsblue8954]

Especially if you're dealing with an older car

[@stevenhanna242]

I was 16 when 87 mustang gt came out that was it I had to get one off then 10 later and 93 cobra

[@jayisfedup6896]

I'd much rather have the coyote swap anyday!! But just a quick search threw eBay. An a complete turn key swap. 5.0 coyote an 6r80 trans with everything, an I mean everything needed. (Wiring,ecu,fuel tank&pumps,covers,all accessories,etc) with 45k miles is 10k!! Also looked up the ls turn key. Found the 5.3ls,4l80e trans an pretty much everything from above. All need supplys. An get that turn key kit for 6k an it had 58k miles. So the LS did have 13k more miles but is 4k cheaper!!! Going LS is just so much cheaper!! But whats yalls thoughts??

[@wildchildjd2]

Love the idea of the ls swap in the old truck

[@MattSoppa]

My first car was a square body truck, learned the basics on it. Good to see the diversity in the channel, and I also agree with you on the LS nut huggers always saying how cheap it is.

[@tubehead8203]

Agree with what? He didn't mention the prices because he knows the truth.

[@joshwilliams6910]

I’m building a 5.3 ls to swap in my Bronco. I wanted to do a dohc 5.4 but they’re a pain in the ass to work on and too damn big

[@jeremyyazzie3474]

This guy. Talking about the power steering pump. Haha... It's ez. Gm pumps are all mostly interchangeable. From the 70s to the 2010s

[@nicky192000]

What is the cost of a Coyote swap into a Fox Body?

[@hank1556]

LS is popular because its cheap. its an engine thats been around for 20 years now and there are millions of them around. coyote swaps will become the next big thing over the next decade or two. millions and millions of f150s are out on the roads and as they wind up in junkyards, people will be plucking the engines to stuff into other rides. its just a matter of time. nothing wrong with the 4.6 but its not comparable to ls engines. same thing applies to 5.7 hemis, those will become more and more popular as time goes by. I would stick to specializing in coyote swaps, there will be a market for that and i think you could make a ton of money in the future...

[@brianstough5286]

Problem is with numbers of f150's in junkyards: 2/3 of the f150's built since the coyote was introduced DO NOT HAVE the coyote engine. they have the "ecoboost" - which is NOT economical (eco part of 'ecoboost')

[@alexchavez9083]

Get real guys not only us the ls cheaper modifying the ls is cheaper as well cheap all the way around

[@matt6951]

How much is a running 5.0 & 6r trans, ready to drop in? Now how much is a 5.3 4l60 ready to drop in? Now, which engine physically fits in more platforms(different kinds of cars) Theres your answer. Once you search that and see the figures, you'll have your answer why one swap is more popular. It's simple.

[@jamespacheco1428]

I will like to see the comparison I have 96 ford ,iroc ,85 C10 I want to swap them all to see price difference that would be kool

[@kevinblough2853]

im a mustang guy but im also a chevy truck guy and i love that truck

[@bshaw1979]

How is this debatable? Of course it’s cheaper for an LS swap. The motors are cheaper and power steering AC brackets etc is way cheaper

[@alexchavez9083]

Ford always and still is more expensive to modd or fix then ford plus Chevrolet perfected the pushrod ford had to go modular to keep up lol

[@ciindyescobedo8175]

Ls gets you faster faster. More bang for your buck performance parts are cheaper. And if you blow one up you can find it easier in Camaro, suburban,tahoe express vans,Silverado, trail blazer... but the old 302 fords are also bulletproof.

[@mobilechaosyt]

I would have to believe that LS swap will be less expensive to make more power due to the length of time in the market and complexity of the engine. I’m interested in knowing if you can do the LS swap with just what came in the box.

[@stanwagner7569]

Yeah, Palo Alto ca-- to 87 Chevy with gas tank and they put a LS3 dammit from American Speed Shop swap over are in Villa Rica Georgia

[@tatankahaska]

LS swap doesn’t interest you that much lol Caleb great point!!! I love foxcast send me a decal so I can support from the mustang community in north eastern Montana!! ❤️❤️❤️