Virgin / Marussia / Manor: F1's Worst Teams

[@CrLe100]

They said Nasr killed his future F1 career by placing his Sauber in P9 in final race in 2016. because he would most probably join Manor in 2017. and this way Manor lost 30$mil and went bankrupt before 2017. and Nasr got no other racing seat in f1

[@FP1Will]

I didn't know this. Wow

[@6godsave6thequeen6]

And despite being 3 months late (definitely not a feature a regular virgin can show) this did give Nasr the chance to compete in the IMSA Endurance Championship which he one on his first outing. Which is quite impressive considering it is a hard fought competition. JPM won it a couple of years ago. And the same one our dear friend Kevin Magnussen is competing in this year. Just like his dad before. Motorsport is a very small world.

[@Redskies453]

@@6godsave6thequeen6 quality virgin joke. Very subtle 👄👌

[@6godsave6thequeen6]

@@Redskies453 Thank you. I aim to please.

[@holdencross5904]

Mercedes should’ve funded the MRT team. Or the FIA should’ve awarded money to 11th and 12th teams. Because more drivers and really the award system is messed up and flawed!

[@reidmcleod6630]

You should've mentioned that originally, the 2013 lineup was Chilton and Luis Razia, but Razia's funding had issues so his contract was terminated, so he was then replaced by Bianchi. As well as the fact that Felipe Nasr signed for the team for 2017, but he himself scored those 2 points in Brazil, meaning Sauber finished ahead. So Nasr both ended his own F1 career and Manor's.

[@aaronthefunnyboi5656]

'Ironic' - Sheev Palpatine

[@FormulaOneFan98]

Looking back now. I bet he wishes he backed off, gave a position away and finished P10 instead.

[@jackmonaghan8477]

At least the Virgin name found success in Formula E (along with fellow ex-F1 effort Jaguar).

[@FP1Will]

Very good point, there was a happy ending of sorts

[@core_russell3869]

At least the virgin name found success in some people

[@nicholasjones9705]

Max Chilton actually finished every race in the 2013 season.

[@Srevelation]

And won a world record for it if I remember correctly

[@Synystercheese]

Finished every race until the 2014 Canadian Grand Prix, where he and Bianchi came together and the 4th corner on lap 1.

[@SamOGr]

@@Srevelation yeah, most consecutive finishes from the first race, not sure the wording but he finished every race he entered for over a year and that was a record

[@jackdey9153]

Problem is that he always finish last.

[@mrjdmtunerboy.1463]

@@jackdey9153 well not really? Because 2013 caterham sometimes didn't always front ?

[@tommcglone2867]

Manor were a very likeable underdog. Never had the backing to be a regular challenger for points but when they were challenging for points everyone was rooting for them. A bit like Minardi.

[@core_russell3869]

I did like them, I was actually upset when they left

[@uzaironf1704]

Ah, all those IntoTheBarrier Virgin jokes I used to laugh at. Good times.

[@saltboi7897]

*Into the Tractor

[@thunderbolt_blitz]

@@saltboi7897 OOF

[@BlueSkyBS]

We also shouldn't forget the straight-line testing accident that (indirectly) lead to the early death of test driver María de Villota.

[@FP1Will]

Another good point. There was a lot of misfortune around that team

[@FormulaTurismo]

What happened to María de Villota.

[@alexnowis2468]

@@FormulaTurismo They was a straight line test being conducted at an airport in the UK I believe, she had a problem during the test & I think hit a truck in a very similar way to Jules Bianci.

[@F1god04]

@@alexnowis2468 correct. They had to rebuild her skull, but she died a few years later. So, sadly two drivers’ deaths can be connected to the team. Shame, as it wasn’t their fault.

[@kimnice]

@@FormulaTurismo She hit a loading ramp of a truck. It was a low speed accident, but unfortunately the ramp was at the same level as her visor.

[@TheConfidentNoob]

7:05 RIP Jules Bianchi😭 We all hope you're racing hard up there and winning every race🙏🏻

[@greg0uk]

After death there is nothing.

[@unknownpoppy213]

Well of course the virgin f1 team wasn't going to be good, it was there first time

[@FP1Will]

Ffs 😂😂

[@core_russell3869]

They never got the experience

[@sirspoonyr]

also, I honestly think the Marussia B2 is a modern design icon.

[@CanadianPWNies101]

It's tragic really. The Marussia B2 could have added some legitmacy to the motherland. If their people in power could see the potential for keeping the company afloat it could open doors for trade, but like the Mp412-rex (russian revolver) government regulations killed it before it could shine

[@beanlentil]

Here after Ocon's win in Hungary. Manor deserved better, really.

[@ELSTERLING]

There's something about Simtek backed teams and tragedy. Two Manor drivers die of complications from serious head injuries, one Simtek driver from a broken neck. Poor Montermini was damn near killed in one too. If I were Nick Wirth I'd probably feel pretty upset by the fact that 3 of the 4 most recent fatalities in F1 machinery are all linked to him however indirectly. In fact the only team to run a Simtek car and not see any fatalities was... Andrea Moda. Weird.

[@davidjamesnoble3170]

Think they were hard done by in the end but being beaten by the bank manager still counts. As a team they were improving but it doesn't matter how much you get closer to the rest of the pack if you can't afford to keep the lights on. As I've said on previous videos about the 3 new teams, it's difficult to judge them too harshly as they were basically lied to before they entered and the situation they were expecting to happen never did. After that they were always going to be in trouble.

[@F1Dornie]

Glad to finally watch this!! Been excited for it for ages! ☺️

[@FP1Will]

Cheers Dornie!!

[@adnanabdillahghifari720]

Rio Haryanto is the first F1 driver from my country Indonesia

[@kanalnamehiereingeben7919]

You didn't insult them. You have good Manors

[@johnyossarian1135]

When Glock appeared on screen I asked myself who it was at first. My very thought was "IS THAT GLOCK?". No I'm not sorry

[@motorsportfanboy7769]

Great video again especially when were expecting this to come sooner than later. Still a shame they left in the end because they were genuinely improving but when Daimler said they refused to bought them out as Merc’s B team, that’s the final straw for the team sadly. Although, thanks for the tribute for Jules. We’ll never forget him 😭

[@FP1Will]

Thanks! Yea I spent a lot of time with the Jules bit, had to make sure I got it right

[@motorsportfanboy7769]

@@FP1Will And you really did get it right!

[@722KnightRider]

I am honestly surprised how small your channel is right now. Editing is top notch, just the right amount of everything, your storytelling is fantastic and you have a great personality. You've had 8k subscribers 4 months ago, the number has tripled since. Hope you can keep up this rate of growth, this channel is destined to succeed :)

[@FP1Will]

Thank you Matthew really that means a lot!!!

[@core_russell3869]

​@@FP1Willyou're definitely succeeding now man, always come back to your old videos to get some smiles, love your videos

[@alexnowis2468]

I wish they were still here, they reminded me of Minardi, always fighting to stay alive & actually being competitive on numerous occasions. I feel like if they would of finished ahead of Sauber in 2016 then they would of progressed towards the midfield pack.

[@ΚωνσταντίνοςΚωνσταντίνου-θ1ψ]

Come on...Minardi was on an era when only 6 took points...Dont count the atmospheric cup for the no turbo cars...Imagine if 10 finishers took points...Remember Martini and Alliot (Larrousse) fighting for 8 place because it was 2 points on the cup in Silverstone???

[@alexmorrison5679]

Harsh. Best of the new teams and managed 7 seasons

[@HIMANSHUKUMAR-yh3bt]

99% percent: Hating Marussia 1 percent: Jules Bianchi passing R . I . P Jules

[@tripducey3076]

the biggest problem with virgin/marussia is that they were so self confident that they would not do what the good teams did instead they did things that didnt work but kept doing the same thing because they were to self confident.

[@pedroneves4465]

I've gotta be honest here. I had some sympathy over that team over the years - to the point where I now own a 1/43 model of Di Grassi's car from 2010. They where a mess in the beginning, sure, but there where sings of things improving. And for once they didn't seem utterly and completely unprofessional, as did HRT. I saw Monaco 2014 and Austria 2016, and I also saw the picture they had on their factory with the 2017 model car. It's a shame that their name will most likely be remembered in the future not for their persistence, but rather for the unfortunate circumstances that led to the two most recent fatalities in F1 happening in their cars, within a span of 2 years - much like we mostly remember Simtek for Ratzenberger.

[@FP1Will]

I agree with you, actually have a 1/43 model of the 2010 car myself. It is a shame as if they had kept going into 2017 I feel like they could have really surprised people, but sadly we'll never know...

[@iybjs5308]

The Top Gear roast of Manor GP sums it all up perfectly

[@FP1Will]

What a video😂

[@rowen42069]

If that Fernando Alonso twats into our car, 'is Ferrari'll be buggered, I'll tell you that for note

[@iybjs5308]

@@rowen42069 my dad had a job in’t pit and now I’ve got a job in’t pit

[@ChequeTwice]

@@iybjs5308this was the best line

[@adamdickinson2894]

Tbf though, the Virgin sponsorship did look pretty good on the Brawn. A key part of that Iconic design

[@_revoxx_2694]

The three teams mentioned in this series were essentially born in a very difficult transitional period in F1 history, during a global recession. A little known fact is that these teams were originally penned in as a sort of lower class F1 B-spec, so to speak, with strict budget limitations in a time when new teams could no longer afford to enter F1, with a dwindling number of cars on the grid. After signing up for this low cost F1 format, there rules were changed leaving the three new teams competing under a rule set that they didn’t sign up for, against all the other teams as equals. The all digital design Virgin F1 car was actually a huge step towards standardising CFD analysis in place of wind tunnel testing (a hugely wasteful and expensive method of aerodynamic development) as the first F1 team to use CFD exclusively, they were actually well ahead of many other teams in this area. Modern teams use CFD religiously, without it they couldn’t manage the rapid testing of the ever more complex aero on the cars. In this sense the Virgin team deserves respect for at least its forward-thinking attitude. The fuel tank problem was as a result of a last minute rule changes by the FIA. Larger teams could react quickly and fix the issues, but a smaller, low budget team didn’t have the resources to fix the issue before the start of the season. Although the results ultimately didn’t come, the team deserves respect for their vision. That being said, I enjoyed the video!

[@adrianpiwnik9363]

Hamilton laughing at the Bottas joke cracked me up.

[@FP1Will]

Glad you enjoyed

[@angelahkaa]

Bottas himself is a joke

[@NotMathis]

Gotta admit, the VR-01 looks beautiful. I love the livery on it

[@OPLDN96]

The earlier days from 2010 till 2013 they were garbage. However they were quite respectable and well placed from 2014 till 2016. Very sad regarding Bianchi however in 2014 after a great season for him up to then. RIP Jules.

[@republikpropaganda2319]

I'm a FP1 virgin. That is the first video i'm watching of this channel.

[@FP1Will]

Hope you liked it!

[@SaraSpruce]

Nick Wirth also designed the legendary Andrea Moda S921.

[@arthurhanley1536]

Another class video ❤️

[@FP1Will]

thanks man!!

[@arthurhanley1536]

@@FP1Will Nw !!

[@FangedBaby99]

Really miss manor, absolutely was my favourite team

[@FP1Will]

It's a real shame, as they had some fantastic potential

[@Bencalls]

Ngl Virgins f1 livery looks kinda cool

[@AriTHFeeder]

Rio Haryanto dropped as his sponsors not gonna pay his seat.

[@richinleam]

You are aware that Lewis Hamilton drove for Manor between 2001-2004 when they were in Formula Renault, British F3, F3 Masters? The same Manor owned by John Booth and managed by Graeme Lowdon. Where Manor failed in on track success their fan involvement and openness was a welcome change in F1.

[@TheNecromancer6666]

To be fair, Wirth is a really excellent engineer. Do research on his Acura P1 and P2s. Sadly he is not a capable director. He needs to be directed. Put him under a James Allison or a Ross Brawn.

[@definitely_not_nick41]

You are committing a Major Sin these are the best teams in ever how dare JK mate keep up the good work!

[@FP1Will]

thanks bro!!!

[@definitely_not_nick41]

@@FP1Will NP my guy!

[@arthurteo5795]

Both Jules Bianchi and Pascal Wehrlein were absolutely amazing potentials who managed to score points with the slowest car, but sadly 😔 and cruelly, we tragically lost Jules, while Pascal was left out of F1 in the cold : a travesty of the highest order. Both the late and great Jules Bianchi and Pascal Wehrlein demonstrated world champion potential.

[@FP1Will]

Agreed, both were fantastic talents

[@OliSwiftSports]

😂😂😂 intro maaaaan

[@FP1Will]

Hahaha gotta start with a bang

[@jazzy_jake]

There’s no point in copying the winners because it will make us slower

[@RadicaL3RuN]

I don't know why did they retire, they could've just play survival as HAAS is doing now, until opportunities would come to improve

[@gamefan56]

Problem is they did not have the advantage of being able to bring over last years car over like Haas is able to do now given the regulation changes for 2017.

[@petouser]

they were the worst but survived the longest of the 3 new teams.

[@dhupee]

Tbf Haryanto is kicked from Manor mostly due to financial (pay driver can't pay) At least he did good shit in GT noe

[@Posirep]

and they had a better driver in that seat already to boot. not like Alex Rossi has done anything notable in his career....

[@natelecarde962]

@@Posirep *Laughs in Indy 500 win*

[@jackharmon1606]

I have a model version of that 2011 virgin car on my windowsill, no clue why

[@helmut1185]

Which teams is he talking about at 2:20?

[@FP1Will]

I'm talking about USF1 and StefanGP. Who I'll get around to making a video on at some point.

[@helmut1185]

@@FP1Will thank you, I really enjoyed this whole Worst F1 teams series

[@FP1Will]

Thanks man! More to come!

[@lenmarfox2947]

Virgin has had success in F1, lets not forget Brawn in 2009.

[@Yannick.13]

So many burns in one video, very good

[@FP1Will]

thanks man! Appreciate it!

[@Mr.Korzack]

Those 3 2010 teams were in my eyes tragically sold out by the same sport that welcomed them in. You go in on the promise to a 40 million budget cap & an under-developed engine only to find you've gotta find triple that to have a prayer... Granted, trying to make do had some embarrassing side-effects (That fuel tank & the pre-season testing parts that literally fell apart under load being examples) but they each got screwed Hard & never got chance to catch up in a way Paul Stoddart or Eddie Jordan would've empathised with

[@TheNecromancer6666]

Tbf, it's not that stupid to not run a KERS in 2011. It has some advantages in weight distribution, cooling and gearbox packaging

[@Posirep]

just gonna skip over Haryanto buying out the seat Alex Rossi won by making Will Stevens look bad? not like Rossi has done anything notable since losing out to Haryanto money....

[@ross_boss]

Such a garbage team but it found it'd place in my heart Time to take them to the top of the championships in every F1 game that includes the team

[@jayd2517]

There was no team worse than Andrea Moda!! Those teams all signed up believing they would be allowed technical breaks that eventually were never allowed. They were also told there would be a budget cap that also never happened.

[@FP1Will]

Got an episode of this series out on them too!

[@Bella_Deer7504]

Di grassi must be so happy he got kicked out now days 😂

[@FP1Will]

Hahahaha it all turned out well in the end for him I guess

[@TheShadowcreeper55]

Ever notice the Yorkshire rose on the nose on the vr01

[@mbta1000]

Ah, Manor.. Last time an American raced in F1 was for that team. Managed to nurse the car to 12th at COTA.

[@sanghelian]

to be fair, it's on them when they didn't just name the team chad.

[@johnedwards230]

It took time but despite everything they actually did really well in the end for a small team, it was a tragedy they could not be saved. F1 has not got enough seats, there are a number of drivers that are missing out on f1 because they have no start point. A real shame.

[@jacobmassey3897]

I honestly dont think you can call this one of the worst teams in the sports history. There were lots of teams in the 70s 80s and early 90s that were run far worse than this one. Even in their final season they still were able to take on future potential talents in Wehrlein and Ocon rather than pay drivers. I feel that the team just got sold to the wrong sort of people where ownership was divided so many ways that no one really knew who owned the largest share of the team and they were seriously struggling with the ridiculously expensive hybrid era as well which was ultimately the catalyst for the teams demise but maybe with some stable management and some respectable big money sponsors the team could've survived and one day been brought by a major car manufacturer like Racing Point.

[@SergeantBambionYoutube]

A wind tunnel? Pfft waste of time, just make the fuel tanksmaller to save weight

[@GameHerbert]

Could you do Coloni next

[@FP1Will]

Will definitely get round to it!

[@liamcoggan7373]

Plz do a video explaining the roots of all the current f1 teams, it’s weird to think that the current Mercedes team which has dominated F1 recently started it’s life as the Tyrrell team

[@FP1Will]

Hmm I'll have to think about how I'd make it work, but it's a good idea!!

[@oxcart4172]

I wonder whether u could just use a CFD computer now? (With the enormous strides in computing power since then)

[@FP1Will]

As an engineer myself it would still be a no. Wind tunnel testing still beats CFD by miles. The advantage of CFD is just that it's quicker and cheaper, but it doesnt give you as accurate results

[@Sweaty__Sheep]

Never heard about the Timo Glock story. You mentioned it was like a Sergio Perez? What, saved the team from bankruptcy or lost his seat because someone wanted their son in their own team?

[@AnthonyFurnival]

I dunno that Mercedes team with that Hamilton bloke are pretty hopeless 🤪

[@formulamontage1679]

2016 Manor had potential i think

[@ianstrijker9576]

at least they had a funny name. cant say that of most teams

[@MoskusMoskiferus1611]

Marussia livery looks cool

[@bobinskiplays1779]

Marussia,Lotus and Catheram is missing me in my brain and hearth....

[@fl1ckyt759]

Super aguri??

[@haake8606]

Great team with bad luck

[@haake8606]

Great video!

[@peterhall8572]

Whatever happened to Simtec

[@Airgopaul]

Have u heard of Lola or Andrea Motor

[@FP1Will]

Already done an episode of this series on Andrea Moda and am planning to do a Lola one at one point too

[@cometthemountainlion181]

These three are still legendary compared to Andrea Moda or Mastercard Lola.

[@justinlzy]

Hire Nick Wirth and went all in on his approach was their biggest mistake, they dug a big hole for themselves that contributes to the later management chaos.

[@aity3669]

Although they only made one appearance in 1950. You could say Adams for worst teams?

[@mediarblx_npc]

Andrea Moda : *Am I a joke to u?*

[@thewavybridgegyratingcater747]

I only know John Booth because he was my boss on F1 2011

[@muhammadamirshafiq7576]

What are yoke

[@aidanous12]

Life is the worst ever team. Along with Andrea moda and lola.. Wait I can't have them all as the worst can I 🤣 lotus and virgin look like ferrari in comparison to them.

[@fkez0510]

Apparently, Manor actually had a car made for 2017

[@FP1Will]

Not a car as such, but definitely a wind tunnel model, we got an early look at it so we knew what to expect from the 2017 regs

[@fkez0510]

@@FP1Will yeah, that's what I meant

[@seesaw41]

But their livery was nice...

[@FP1Will]

Very very true

[@06dpa]

It was the longest living out of the terrible 3.

[@Needmore27]

Hey, at least it wasn't HRT

[@tomhutchins7495]

Pic screwed them at Brazil in 2013: he was heading to Caterham and let that car through, which meant Caterham finished ahead of Virgin that year. It was still their best year, but they could have been 10th and got the extra prize money.

[@ΚωνσταντίνοςΚωνσταντίνου-θ1ψ]

Virgin / Marussia had realy good aerodynamics but little power...

[@vwb7diyr189]

It still virgin. No experience. What to expect 😄

[@nuggy4051]

Andrea Moda enters the chat

[@clytaemnestra]

The JK Rowling joke was completely unnecessary.

[@AtlasLesbiaNRx]

Please make a Video about Coloni because I think their Even worse than HRT and Caterham

[@FP1Will]

They are on the list don't worry!!

[@gustav6804]

Hello Hope you have a good Day 😎

[@milan_langer]

Life is probably the worst f1 team ever

[@FP1Will]

Will be covered in tomorrow's episode!!

[@JoyIsNiceDK]

If you don't want all the rambling bs 1:30

[@natelecarde962]

Bruh you just completely ignored Alexander Rossi...

[@karmaspcs]

Worst Team? Let me introduced to you Mona Racing and MasterCard Lola

[@yhelloh]

im guessing referring to the modern era

[@jamesbertini1695]

Do Andrea moda

[@FP1Will]

Already done that 🤣 it's on the channel, there should be an F1 worst teams playlist you can find which will have it in

[@jamesbertini1695]

@@FP1Will nice imma go watch dat

[@PLANDerLinde99]

The best of the worst

[@maybecream7763]

lol virgin racing what a nice name

[@thebaguettecompany]

Rip jules bianchi 17......