Framework 13 (AMD & Intel) Review: One is AWESOME, the other not!

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[@amitd5134]

framework if they keep prices reasonable they will change the laptop industry for good

[@datsneakysnek]

Unfortunately their prices make no sense. You're better off buying a brand new laptop every 3 years.

[@glazedbelmont]

Yeah sadly that's just how it is right now, their main (and in my opinion, their only ones) redeeming qualities is the super easy repairability and the long-term investment.

[@p0ddie]

@@datsneakysnek their prices are quite competitive, especially if you use the DIY models. Other brand notebooks in the same league like Dell XPS, Asus Zenbook, HP EliteBook are actually more expensive and some of them do not support Linux as well. Linux is not a big selling point as most people just use Windoze, but it's a unique selling point as there are not many laptops made with full Linux support.

[@AndrewPL5]

@@datsneakysnek That's not the point of this laptop. And you shouldn't need a new laptop every 3 years. Even if you do, all you need to do is upgrade the CPU (motherboard) which is way cheaper than buying a whole new laptop. These laptops are for the people who want to upgrade parts as needed. I'd rather pay a small premium up front and then ensure I don't need to buy a whole new laptop ever again, and I can upgrade ANYTHING I please over time, or if something breaks. That's the WHOLE point of these laptops. Just like people who build their own PC, they're more expensive up front, but you can customize anything over time and never need to buy a whole new computer.

[@jefmes]

@@datsneakysnek Only if you like wasting old equipment. I'm getting this AMD upgrade, and taking the old Intel board and turning it into a lower power home lab PC with the Cooler Master case. We have to get past this idea of disposable electronics at some point and they're doing it better than anyone else right now.

[@EminGT]

I'm so happy about the battery life. Finally a competitor to the newer macbooks.

[@mikelay5360]

meteorlake is coming

[@MrBOURBONKID2]

It is not just a conpetitor. It beats it if you consider, that you can repair and upgrade it by yourself for a fraction of the price of the repairs/changes of a macbook, if such things are available.

[@tonyk4447]

It'll cost 1 kidney to repair a MacBook

[@mikelay5360]

@@tonyk4447 that has been the case for more than a decade, didn't stop people from buying them

[@Hardcore_Remixer]

Been since a while. Ever since the 6000 Zen 3+ series of laptop CPUs. The issue was that Framework didn't manage to get a partnership with AMD untill recently or something. Not sure what the problem was.

[@phucle5172]

This is a big stride for Framework. I hope this company will someday be more mainstream and change the industry for the better. I did an evaluation essay on this laptop and no one in my class knew of this laptop.

[@Raoul1808.]

I also got myself a framework, and that was pretty much the same thing, although I decided to get myself the clear keyboard, and the response was pretty unanimous: “Mew, this is cursed, why did you do this”

[@hl321662]

M2 MBP used 17.5 WHr of power during the 4 hours playing Netflix while the FW13 AMD used 22.57 WHr so the MBP still has efficiency advantage of roughly 29%. However, considering the MBP uses soldered LPDDR while the FW uses socketed DDR which consumes more power, the actual difference on efficiency of the chip should be much smaller and we could consider 7840U to be in the same league as M2 in terms of energy efficiency. On top of that shorter battery life is a price I'm willing to pay for modularity and repairability as long as it's long enough for my use cases.

[@TheDenOfTimbsStudios]

If you don't mind me asking, what's your use cases?

[@pham3383]

if the two things are under 25% difference,the laptop maker can cover it up by putting a bigger battery in,also zen 5 is coming in H1 2024,also m3 i assume,i love competition

[@hl321662]

@@floreslouis That's not far off lol.

[@ZlobniyTapoG]

@@pham3383 I think the m3 will get a slight edge over the m2. Because the current A17 Pro in the iPhone 15 Pro has a power efficiency advantage of less than 5% (mainly thanks to the graphics platform). The M series is based on the A series processors.

[@theglowcloud2215]

Honestly, how much more power does socketed RAM use versus soldered? I see this claim a lot but I can't believe soldered RAM is that much more efficient.

[@JarrodsTech]

Interesting results, it's a bit of a different story with the H series processors!

[@VideogamesAsArt]

Hey Jarrod! How much do we have to bribe you for you to review a non gaming laptop such as this one? :D

[@JarrodsTech]

@@VideogamesAsArt gaming only :)

[@Winnetou17]

@@JarrodsTech But but CS 2, LoL, Cyberpunk in 720p with FSR2 Performance, DotA 2, Rainbox Six:Siege and let's not forget, Minesweeper... so many games to test and benchmark!

[@VideogamesAsArt]

@@JarrodsTech I had to try :D

[@cameronbosch1213]

​@@JarrodsTechExcept for maybe the Framework Laptop 16?

[@drishalballaney]

Man I really REALLY wish framework sold in India, I would have just gotten this without any 2nd thoughts tbh

[@Linux_Fan_Boi_76]

They'll definitely expand to India. India is overtaking China as the new manufacturing Giant. Since all the companies are moving over to India. Because China is becoming an unreliable business partner. Indian consumers are going to have access to everything pretty soon.

[@ChrisTian-sd5yq]

same from Philippines

[@Winnetou17]

Same from Romania

[@HLover03]

Same from New Zealand

[@skygaz3r]

Isn’t there a freight forwarder u could use? Like stackry..

[@bryans8656]

Between Apple's M series chips and AMD's chips Intel has been taking quite a beating lately.

[@Lee.S321]

Roll on mid-2024 & Qualcomm will join the beating too. Intel's market dominance needs to be slimmed down or their complacency will remain intact.

[@lucasrem]

ARM is way better for mobile solutions, UNIX OS !

[@Lee.S321]

@@lucasrem Not always the case, as AMD's 7000 U-series processors have shown even an X86 chip can achieve the same, & in some cases better, performance per watt than an ARM chip. I just hope AMD & Qualcomm can chip away at Intel's market dominance, as consumers will benefit greatly.

[@footsorebird0365]

I have been looking for a video comparing just these things against the different framework main board generations and this was a glorious Realization of it.

[@Cody4k]

Watching this on my 11th gen Framework, waiting for my batch 1 AMD upgrade kit to arrive. Already have a Cooler Master case for the old mainboard.

[@martindione386]

excellent review! you really nail the rhythm of the narration, combined with the concise information needed to make a good decision, kudos!

[@JustJoshTech]

What I love most about this job is constantly trying to improve! Glad you are enjoying

[@EnochGitongaKimathi]

Loved the Video. Competition is alive. The 13th Gen Intel Chip is fabricated on Intel 7 which was formally 10nm Enhanced SuperFin. The AMD Ryzen 7840U is fabricated on TSMC 4nm FinFET. This is a huge advantage for AMD. It will be interesting to see how Meteor Lake will compete. Meteor Lake is a Chiplet Architecture with the CPU Cores fabricated on Intel 4 EUV. The GPU Arc Xe-LPG is on TSMC 5nm FinFET. Unlike the Intel and AMD x86_64 based CPUs, Apple M2 Pro uses the ARMv8 ISA for the CPU Cores, and is fabricated on TSMC 5nm FinFET. I enjoyed watching the video and seeing how far we have come and got really excited about the future. I just watched an early leak of the Ryzen 7 8750U, AMD's first Hybrid Architecture using 4 ZEN 5 CPU Cores and 8 ZEN 5C CPU Cores (4+8=12C/24T CPU) as well as 8 WGP RDNA 3.5 GPU. Competition is fun.

[@ashar8192]

I really hope MTL will bring the much needed efficiency upgrades, if not, Intel laptops are done lol

[@HDRPC]

Intel core ULTRA meteor lake will be battery king and performance king.

[@HDRPC]

​​@@ashar8192 Intel Core ULTRA is 50% efficient than 13 gen is all core workload. In light work like media playback, only SoC tile will work. So even massive battery life. More than 2 times faster iGPU

[@defnotatroll]

@@ashar8192 done? you are joking. AMD are nowhere near intel when it comes so supply and therefore market share. walk into a laptop shop today and the vast majority of laptops will be intel and that isnt changing anytime soon

[@ariqahmer]

I think the entire laptop market would flip if they brought either a 14" or 15" version of the chassis and panel.

[@emberparadox458]

Only if they're able to bring the price point down some. I absolutely LOVE the idea of Framework, and everything I've seen indicates they are a fantastic laptop, but from a pricing perspective, the vast majority of consumers simply can't afford one of their laptops. I really do hope the company continues to thrive and innovate their architecture and continue to grow as a business so they're able to start bringing down their pricing for more mainstream consumer-friendly models. If they're able to do that I really do think Framework could change the... framework... of the laptop industry (puts on sunglasses.... yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah).

[@ariqahmer]

@@emberparadox458 😎 yeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaahhh

[@soonts]

@@emberparadox458 I don’t disagree but note the laptop doesn’t have decent competitors. HP makes similar computers, but only within ZBook Firefly series and they cost much more than this Framework. Their reasonably priced HP Probook laptops are using the previous generation of AMD processors like Ryzen 7 7730U, which has slightly slower Zen 3 CPU cores, and dramatically slower integrated GPU with GCN5 architecture.

[@powderypastor1242]

This was the review I was waiting for, I knew Josh would deliver! I'm in Batch 1 for the 7640U, can't wait for this baby to get here

[@JustJoshTech]

You will love it. Its one of the best laptops i've tested. And thanks for the nice words

[@cameronbosch1213]

I'm in batch 1, but for the Framework Laptop 16. And I _still_ have no idea when it will be shipping out, despite there being only 2 more months in Q4 and the year.

[@Tigerex966]

Can that usb3 support a egpu like older usb3 framework laptops. If so that would be huge. For games and video editing photo and 3d.

[@bbrainstormer2036]

@@cameronbosch1213 Probably not until December; it did say Late Q4 after all. Also, there's three months until the end of the year, not 2.

[@FluffyPuppyKasey]

I'd genuinely love to see a machine with a 7840U/8840U and an RX 7700S. I feel like that'd be able to, combined with AMD's SmartShift (when working properly) strike a fantastic balance between performance and battery life

[@buttermilktom6814]

I've had a a Framework 13 for over a year now. It's a 12th gen intel (they didn't sell motherboards with AMD chips when I bought it) and my main complaint is the thermal design. Spec-wise it's pretty solid for what it is and it runs really well and the modularity is amazing. Now, in Framework's defense, I'm using this laptop paired with a desktop 3070ti in a razer core x for some fairly serious gaming. For a 13 inch laptop not necessarily designed for gaming, it performs pretty well (I did throw some nice RAM and a high quality SSD in it). And I do understand that due to their extreme design constraints the thermal management had to suffer a bit. If I knew about the 16 inch laptop I would have waited for that one since it's more in line with what I'm trying to get out of this machine. All in all thought it's a fantastic product and I'm happy that this company is getting the attention that they're getting. I'm hoping for great things from them!

[@DavidTrejo]

Thanks for clarifying performance differences while on battery. This is an area where MacBooks have dominated and I’m glad AMD / Framework evened the playing field. 🤗

[@DoctorShaunB]

If they dump the majority of their R&D into the creature comforts/manipulatives such as: killer speakers, increase ports, touchpad, keyboard, this will be a no brainer.

[@Atilolzz]

Man, I was really looking forward for a AMD 7040 video by you, but comparing it to a very similar Intel (+Apple) Laptop is an amazing addition! There are even quite affordable IdeaPad 5 Pro 14 with 7840hs which would also totally love to see your thoughts on

[@JustJoshTech]

Our aim for the channel is ALWAYS go above and beyond! Glad you enjoyed it. Re the IdeaPad 5 Pro 14, i'm struggling to get it in.

[@popothefirst6521]

@@JustJoshTechwould gladly wait for your vid on the ideapad before making a purchase. Highly enjoy your vids l. These laptops! Very informative all throughout.

[@kevinseveneleven]

Imo, IdeaPad line is junk

[@davidlt]

It seems AMD managed to deliver a great 7040 (Zen 4) product. Hopefully that transfers to Zen 5 based product in 2024 (unless something changes). There are also rumors about "Mega APU" (Strix Halo IIRC), which sounds very much like Apple M-series chip design wise. I think, rumors suggest Strix Halo to use 256-bit wide bus (that's 2x from normal) for memory. I know everyone has different needs and preferences, but I always prefer laptops without dGPU to avoid additional issues.

[@johnpeters8724]

wait.... we have an x86 cpu that is both as performant AND as efficient as the leading arm one???

[@magemor7827]

I bought my lenovo yoga slim 7 on your recommendation in 2020. It still doesn't fail to impress me today and I'm still a hardcore fan of lenovo keyboards. (I'm a computer science student btw) I have to say, if I had to buy a new one today, I'd be torn between a Framework or the latest refresh of the yoga slim 7. But I don't fortunately, so I'm hoping Framework keeps improving as fast as it is right now so that I can buy one with no remorse in the future when I need one! Also, your videos are improving at the same rate Framework does they pcs! Keep it up Josh, I officially value your opinion on laptops more than I value Linus Tech Tips's now! (No offense to them of course, big fan)

[@JustJoshTech]

Thank you. Its comments like yours that keeps me and all of us here now driving to improve. Every month we want to be producing better videos than the month before

[@magemor7827]

​@@JustJoshTechIt's heartfelt! Enjoy your Framework laptop on behalf of us jealous users that don't have it lol!

[@andrec.136]

AMD has really come a long way. I am in the Intel camp but if or when I get a framework laptop, I will be going for AMD

[@Yusufyusuf-lh3dw]

In terms of benchmarks, can you focus more on actual applications like Microsoft office suite, web browser benchmarks, adobe (photo and video editing), code compilation on GCC and Microsoft visual studio, CAD tools like Autocad and solidworks? Instead of cinebench and geekbench? That will give potential buyers a clearer picture of performance. Maybe also include frame rates for some common games.

[@ravine9083]

Wow, I'm blown away! I have been excited about framework since they launched their first laptop. I pre-ordered the 16 inch model. I'd love to see Intel vs AMD at the higher performance class. The tables have flipped, when the 13 inch came out everyone had Intel and people were begging for AMD. Now the 16 inch will launch with AMD. I have my own reasons for choosing AMD, my current laptop was my first AMD laptop and it is amazing. I have been using Intel for years and and CPU performance was terrible. This laptop, 2019 ROG zephyrus g15, has resolved CPU problems. I'm excited to get my 16 inch Framework. The removable GPU is perfect for me because I don't need a GPU 90% of the time. I ordered the GPU since GPUs could get more expensive. The mining craze has died down and AI has risen up to take away our GPUs, and I don't want to see the prices rise any more for GPUs.

[@cameronbosch1213]

I agree. I also pre-ordered the 16 inch model, and I am in batch 1, however, it _has_ missed the Q4 2023 target for shipping out. That being said, Framework has been extremely transparent about the reasons for the delays, so I'm not to antsy, yet.

[@ravine9083]

@@cameronbosch1213 I'm impressed with the transparency. I loved the talk about their pin system for the GPU, it was very fascinating, and firmware for a power adapter, I didn't know that was a thing. I didn't check my email until the next day after pre-orders launched. I'm in batch 7. Lol, that's what I get for not checking my emails. I'm so ready for that laptop. I setup netboot xyz for network boot, I got my Windows 11 key mostly for my wife, I'll use Debian bookworm. I have all of the ports, SSDs, and RAM sitting in a box. I even 3d printed the mag charger and bought the parts for it.

[@MultiNakir]

if they'd add the OPTION for at least a 90hz OLED touchscreen like the one lenovo and acer are using and maybe the possibility of a hinge to use it i'd buy it instead of my MBP and Yoga

[@SteveP-d2s]

Although I don't need a new laptop I liked this one so much that I ordered the AMD DIY version skipping the SSD, memory and power brick with the following specs: Configuration $1,169.00 System: AMD Ryzen™ 7 7840U Customization Laptop Bezel: Bezel - Red $10.00 Keyboard: US English Expansion Cards 2 x USB-C $18.00 USB-A $9.00 HDMI (3rd Gen) $19.00 MicroSD $19.00 Audio $19.00 Storage - 250GB $45.00 Accessories Framework Screwdriver Included Add-on: Limited-edition pre-order bonus This is a preorder and I hope to get it before year end...

[@patrickonodje1428]

This is an amazing laptop. Thanks for the review Josh 👍💪

[@FA-hi8oy]

One of my favorite reviewers. Like how you go into the right amount of detail

[@chx1975]

I want this but no TrackPoint 😢

[@billlodhia5640]

Thanks for touching on the TB4 part. TB4 has a great reuse potential when you consider that it can attach devices in PCIe mode, which makes re-using the board as a homelab build more feasible. Admittedly, I'm not sure about USB4 potentially delivering the same function, but I've heard of weird stories with PCIe tunneling.

[@lucasrem]

Bill lodhia I only need a great screen, RTX card, some fast intel H CPU. Rest parts i need to swap, So dimms, NVMe storage etc. What parts you need to swap now ?

[@SpookySkeletonGang]

This is looking like a fantastic option, and if I needed a new laptop I would 100% get this lol. But hey if I can wait longer maybe we can see a refresh of the framework to see some of the other hardware quirks getting addressed. I would LOVE a high refresh option, even quieter fans, etc.

[@hisfatness522]

Just a small thing to note is that the color variation you see between the matte and glossy panel could just be panel to panel variance you could also see between just two matte panels side by side and may not be due to different panels beneath the coatings. I say this because I have purchased two identical smartphones and the displays had differences in color temperature as well.

[@tipoomaster]

The most impressive part of this review is the nearing year old M2 Pro. But I love what Framework is doing, and AMD's huge gains recently.

[@Lee.S321]

Comparing a 13" laptop with a U-series processor to a more expensive 14" M2 pro was a little draft. The comparison should have been with the 13" MB Pro (not the Pro chip).

[@shiruba2004]

The speakers and touchpad not being the best are common complaints. While I don't have issues using either, I can agree that they aren't the best available. The fan noise, though? Couldn't possibly care less. My Macbook i9 2015 was so noisy that it sounded like a plane was taking off every time I would fire up VMWare - by comparison to that all of the frameworks are silent. (I'm still glad it's reduced compared to previous models for those people who do care, though).

[@larscwallin]

Will be interesting to see how the 16" with the discreet graphics module will perform!

[@davidtran2683]

My daily driver from 2011 to 2017 was the 15" MacBook Pro which is still, arguably, one of the best laptops I've ever had. From 2017 to 2023, I switched back to a Windows-based laptop and got the 15" Surface Book 2. At the time, I thought the flexibility and use-cases made available with the SB2 was worth the investment. However, I later ran into a multitude of issues and had to reformat my install a few times to work out the bugs. As of the summer of 2023, the SB2 no longer receives any updates or support from Microsoft. My driver today is the FW13 AMD. It has exceeded all of my expectations so far, with the only caveat being the speakers. The best takeaway is being able to have full control and the ability to upgrade / replace all of your components. It's a feel-good moment when I know I made a conscious choice to selecting a laptop with an ecosystem and company aiming to reduce eWaste.

[@aylim3088]

I wanted to find a laptop with some of the new AMD laptop processors. My last experience with laptops was a big, clunky, noisy one running windows 7 with an overkill, hot i7 processor, and I wanted a portable way to study and work on programming on the go. With that, the 6 core 7640U framework laptop was just right for me.. I've found myself using it a lot since I got it just before christmas. Light, quiet, not hot, runs whatever I need. Just chucked Linux on there and perfect portable pc. The fact that it, an x86 processor, can compete with an arm processor like the M2 pro in terms of power efficiency is incredible.

[@skygaz3r]

Now if only they had a touchscreen option, I’d be placing my order

[@TSUNAMI17]

This is fantastic news! Thank you, Josh. Glad to see Framework delivering on its promises.

[@IDontKnow-bb6mt]

My next brand of laptop will be framework

[@maxtornogood]

Framework took off when they offered an AMD version of their laptop. People are itching much more for them over Intel.

[@tralala8980]

Detailed with clearly stated caveats, great review, Thanks!

[@zoltanberkes8559]

I'm working on an M2 laptop and it never turns the fan on. It remains completely silent even during software compilation.

[@Wohli2]

Looks like it was a good decision ordering an AMD Framework, can't wait to get mine...

[@joaobcrts]

Geekbench always favors Apple, nor should it be used for real-world comparisons.

[@actyst901]

Just waiting on my Batch 4 amd 7640u framework should be close i am so excited to get it

[@danield.7359]

This is good news. I always used towers but I plan to switch to laptops. Expandability, efficiency, great keyboard, modularity and Linux compatibility. Framework it is!

[@danielepicone2557]

Please if you really want to include Geekbench in the testing suite but it hidden at the end

[@XYZ-xc1qi]

Really hoping you can do a similar video for the 16" Frameworks. I've pre-ordered a 16" AMD Ryzen 7040 Series, and would love to see a review of that one - compared to a 16" Macbook Pro M1 - before it lands on my desk (especially in respect of battery life, which can be a deal-killer even when other performance metrics are great).

[@lucasrem]

playing games on them, you need wall power all the time. UNIX on ARM is the better solution, apple did a good job here.

[@peterjackson6228]

Based on this video (and quite a few others from this channel) I've bought the Framework 13 AMD Ryzen 5!

[@WakeMtz]

Imagine having the option of an exposed PCIe for connectin a eGPU, it would be game over for anything else.

[@VideogamesAsArt]

That's KINDA what they are trying with their Framework 16, although you do have to buy a GPU from them since it's a connector they developed (open source, so anyone can create their own modules for it)

[@TheMaxAwesome]

@@VideogamesAsArtThey should have gone with OcuLink and called it a day. The world doesn’t need yet another connector standard.

[@drywinddotnet]

Nice. I have a Framework 13 with the i7 1360P. While it's performance is good, I am looking forward to upgrading to this new Ryzen board next year for better video rendering performance, then repurposing the 1360 into a single board desktop using the Cooler Master Mainboard Case.

[@lucasrem]

I would only replace the GPU module, that 13600 HX is still fast enough, not getting any benefits if you switch it with AMD now. The 13600 will never bottleneck that RTX 4090 mobile, or wait for the RTX 5000 mobile upgrades !

[@DBBBB]

Looking for a new windows specific software development laptop that will also be used for music production. This has sold me. Putting in a deposit now. Unbelievable what this company has done and I want to support it.

[@michaelrynn2465]

Because their is a choice, apart from cost reduction, is there a battery duration, efficiency or less heat production advantage to the 6 core AMD processor 7640U on the same Framework 13 build?

[@lu_k15]

At school my laptop won't be fully loaded all the time, so the battery test is not that good. What about idle? Chill battery usage like taking notes? watching youtube?

[@Hionimi]

What about recommending it for digital artists? It has a pretty good screen (not the most colour-accurate, but way more than most laptops) and drawing programs generally just need a good CPU and RAM. And if needed, you can hook a bunch of screens to it too.

[@BSingh-on4qr]

That's it, switching to framework. Battery is the main thing that's getting me to switch as well as better compatibility for engineering applications I need

[@todoroki4418]

Hey Josh great video. Are you reviewing the new Lenovo yoga slim 7 14 .5 inch with with a 7840s and and 90hz oled screen that just released in Europe and Asia? Seems like the perfect laptop imo.

[@JustJoshTech]

Next review is that one!

[@todoroki4418]

@@JustJoshTech Awesome bug Lenovo in the review to make it available in North America.

[@ant4686]

Looks like Asus already offers 7480u in their Zenbook S 13 OLED (UM5302) model. Could you review it as well?

[@TheUrbanRebel]

This is the only laptop i can find with that AMD processor. If anyone can find another laptop from another brand with this processor please do share.

[@cameronbosch1213]

Nope, you're right. Other brands seem to be shunning AMD this generation, which is only going to drive more people to Framework.

[@TheUrbanRebel]

@@cameronbosch1213 maybe it has something to do with the shear number of those handhelds using these APUs. Probably that cause a shortage of the APUs in the market

[@remigoldbach9608]

I waited every day since Beginn of mass production for this video !

[@JustJoshTech]

Awh. Glad you were looking forward to it! I hope we provided the usual level of thorough testing we do explained in a fast paced easy to follow way

[@remigoldbach9608]

The first thing I do before I watch the video, is hitting the like button.I was never disappointed by your channel ! Honesty and transparency at the highest level ! I appreciate that you cover the framework !

[@ChristopherBurtraw]

Framework in general, let alone this latest iteration and the upcoming 16, make me wish I needed a new laptop. For now, I like building mini pcs, routers, etc from 2nd hand boards. Fun to play with "old" hardware. Their power bricks are solid values too.

[@mortens583]

phuu i wished, framework would ship to my country. This would be the ideal replacement once my current machine kicks the bucket.

[@Bob-of-Zoid]

You use Windows??? Well that's your problem right there! You should test it with Linux and see it outperform the MacBook too in every test!

[@Phoenix56801]

Excellent video as always!

[@jonahcohen9754]

Does the motherboard not support ddr5? The CPU supports ddr5 and we are talking about a framework laptop, so instead of have to clarify about the difference in ram, you could have just bought a sodimm ddr5 ram kit.

[@JustJoshTech]

DDR5 uses a different physical socket to DDR4. You cannot just swap those RAM modules. Yes, Intel 13th gen offers both but the motherboard will only support one type.

[@MnemonicCarrier]

Awesome review (as usual). These new Ryzen chips are a force to be reckoned with. Wish they would sell Frameworks laptops here in the UK. I still have a little "Mini PC" with a Ryzen 7 5700u (with 64GB of DDR4) - it runs like a little rocket - never misses a heartbeat, is always responsive. I've just ordered a ThinkPad T14s with a Ryzen 7 7840u - unfortunately I have to wait 6 weeks for delivery 😢

[@saxman113896]

They actually do sell to the uk. They don’t have a presence there since they ship from Taiwan but they do support UK customers.

[@MnemonicCarrier]

@@saxman113896 Oh cool! Thanks!! Will take a look now :)

[@VideogamesAsArt]

yeah UK was already on their supported countries list at the beginning of the year. You still have time to cancel the order and change to this one :D

[@mllarson]

I'm rocking the 11th gen i5-1135G7 version and I love it. I was able to plug in three 2K monitors and it ran beautifully in Ubuntu. I've never impulse-bought a laptop before this one. I most likely will get a higher-spec'd one for programming (more cores) at some point, but what I have now works great.

[@lucasrem]

Use it as a Desktop on 2 monitor, lol !

[@carla.n.5078]

I really want the 16" model with AMD, but they dont ship to Norway. I tried to tell them I waa willing to pay extra for the shipping, but no dice. Which is a bummer.

[@greyman1104]

Are there Linux drivers for everything in the AMD option?

[@cameronbosch1213]

Yes, but you have to use Fedora 39 due to BIOS/UEFI issues.

[@greyman1104]

@@cameronbosch1213 Thanks!

[@cameronbosch1213]

​@@greyman1104No problem! I'm waiting for the 16 inch model I ordered; are you getting the 13 inch AMD model?

[@greyman1104]

@@cameronbosch1213 Yes I'm planning to buy the 13''. Well, get on the waiting list first 😅

[@JanSuchomel]

@@cameronbosch1213 looks like the 16" model cannot be ordered with this cpu or I am missing something?

[@danhyde7501]

Wonder how the ryzen 5 version holds up…. 🤔

[@billymania11]

Surface Pro 9 here. Fast enough for me doing daily tasks. I do code. Thinking about an external GPU for gaming on the weekend.

[@hellmalm]

Even me as an avid Mac user is very impressed. It’s great that this processor got in the Framework laptop. I think the easy of repair and upgradability of this laptop is very commendable. This being a small company starting up, I think you have to forgive style and build quality a bit, that this has a bit of a dated feel to it, is pretty much unavoidable in the first iterations. If i was in the market for a PC laptop I would probably buy this one.

[@jackwong64]

Got a few Thinkpad T14, touchscreen, AMD Ryen7, 32GB ram, 1TB storage and onboard Ethernet port for ~1.1k each.

[@pham3383]

AMD has one advantage on igpu,you can game and do multiple tasks that macs doesnt support

[@ContantContact]

Nice review. Almost pertinent to my use case. Which is that I want a bigger laptop than the 13. And, before this review was made I ordered a Framework AMD 16 (9/19/23). I chose it because of the repair-ability, and optimizations. I am tired of having a laptop with a flaky keyboard and soldered in memory, etc. I don't do gaming, coding, etc but do a lot of diverse but concurrent things that chew up memory and CPU. And I want to use virtualization, which uses more...and now I don't have the 'more'. But I will with the Framework. The negatives you list are minor stuff to me, and the one comment about 'feels a little cheap' probably originate in the fact that it is easily opened and fixed or upgraded. That means it is not a case with 8 screws etc making it more rigid. I am very OK with that trade-off. My main complaint? It isn't here yet. The waiting on the pre-order is tough. My (2) HP X360s both have keyboard problems and fixed memory limits, and I dearly want the Framework to arrive. Oh, I ordered without an OS. I run Linux now, and will be on the Framework. I worked years in IT, and now retired, also retired Windows and moved to Linux. Not going back.

[@kabirulalo908]

Great review Sir. ! Please which one do you recommend me to buy between framework 13 with AMD and Asus Zenbook 14 OLED or Asus Zenbook S 13 OLED

[@fun2rideadventure]

... nice ... but the option to be shipped to EU is not available....

[@time2go465]

Whoa! That efficiency! Genuinely didn't expect anyone to catch up to Apple's M-series!

[@bbrainstormer2036]

Competition breeds innovation

[@doufmech4323]

As soon as they ship to my country, I will buy one.

[@MaheerKibria]

I have questions. namely were these tests done plugged in or unplugged.

[@DarrenLewis-w5o]

I had a job offer all the way back in 2000 from AMD after an all day 8 hour interview to work on a team that programmed the mobo api and chip testing software. I was psyched. For a variety of reasons, I turned it down. As for Intel, they're in deep hooey and so is the U.S. from a critical national security manufacturing perspective.

[@Gumbotx]

Thinkbook 14T Gen 4 does all this for a cheaper price, not upgradable though but configurable. Thinkbooks with same configuration ( and better keyboard ) go for 1300 euros similar Framework 13 goes for 1900 euro's.

[@gregorytremain4086]

I’m tempted of getting the AMD main board and turning it into a handheld gaming console.

[@michaelpapadopoulos6054]

What about using an external gpu which requires thunderbolt?

[@akin242002]

Great video! AMD for battery life with PCs. Intel 13th gen for performance with PCs. Mac CPU/GPU for both and video editing.

[@vhahahaha]

Amazingly detailed video Josh! I'm planning to get this laptop for university, but I don't quite get the meaning behind the naming convention AMD uses. I can understand that the 7840U has to be faster than the 7640U, but in what regards? Thanks again :)

[@VideogamesAsArt]

The 7640U has 6 cores, 12 threads and 8 Compute Units, compared to the 8 cores, 16 threads and 12 Compute Units of the 7840U. It will be very similar in single-core tasks and in efficiency, but multithreading and graphics should be around 25% and 33% slower, respectively

[@vhahahaha]

​@@VideogamesAsArt extremely useful, thanks so much :)

[@alanb76]

I have the Intel Framework 13 from last year and would like something quieter. Seems like the Ryzen may be it. Is there any real purpose in going over 32G of ram on a 13" laptop?

[@voxtelnismo]

Framework is awesome. I’m an Apple guy and I really hope framework forces Apple to be more repair friendly and modular.

[@KevPez-IS]

Looking to get a laptop later In 2024 for video editing first. No need to game. I was leaning towards Apple but idk. This Ryzen Framework looks epic

[@half-qilin]

You guys have a modern computer? I’m still running my 2012 MacBook Pro!

[@benjaminkomjathy]

still not available for Hungary :c

[@engyn0]

Any chance you can do a sleep duration performance comparison? Is the Zen processor leaky?

[@Khoelhutchinson]

Can you review the new 13 with upgraded Intel chip?

[@teriyakipuppy]

I've been waiting for reviews for so long for this chip and laptop that I've built my first pc already.

[@Mo.Jo.]

Are there issues with the 7840u and drivers? Also some people are saying they can't put their laptops to hibernate, only sleep and it sucks all the battery juice dry.. I'm a tech noob so could someone comment if these issues are with Linux only for 7840u? Looking to buy one and the more I research the comments, the more confused I get with the techie forums...

[@tekeagle2136]

The hibernation issue happens on some Windows laptops, too. My Lenovo Ideapad 5i Flex has that issue, but my Lenovo Legion 7i Gen 7 3080ti does not. Then again, both of them have Intel CPUs (i5-1035G1 and i9-12900HX) anyway.

[@Winnetou17]

@@tekeagle2136 Are you sure the hibernation is an issue with the laptop ? Can't tell the defaults now, as I'm on a 7 year old laptop with its original Windows 10, but Windows is not guaranteed to show you the hibernation option. You may have to enable it. Also, in order to enable it, you need to reserve space on HDD/SSD about as much as you have RAM (in my case, I actually have a 25.5 GB hiberfil.sys (I guess it compresses the contents ?) along with a 64 GB pagefile.sys for my 64 GB of RAM).

[@popokatapetl6995]

Is there frame laptop with 16 inch display

[@JustJoshTech]

Yes. It's on pre-order right now

[@jonnyreh001]

So no thunderbolt in my USB-C's? IS that a big problem?

[@JustJoshTech]

Not at all. It supports 2 usb 4 connections. Same speed as Thunderbolt

[@jonnyreh001]

@@JustJoshTech so if i connect it to a tb4 docking station or egpu, it will work?

[@JustJoshTech]

@@jonnyreh001 only if the docking station supports the new usb 4

[@Fr33KFC]

How do the 7640u and 7840u compare? Is the 400€ worth it for a student? For programming, cad...