Framework 13 (AMD & Intel) Review: One is AWESOME, the other not!

Finally, Framework delivers the full potential of AMD. Even catches Apple!
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00:00 Introduction
00:29 Framework - The Upgradeable Laptop
00:54 Introducting the Ryzen 7 7840U
03:15 Performance
04:52 Heat and Fan Noise
07:06 Battery Life & Battery Performance
08:26 Conclusion
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[@amitd5134]

framework if they keep prices reasonable they will change the laptop industry for good

[@datsneakysnek]

Unfortunately their prices make no sense. You're better off buying a brand new laptop every 3 years.

[@glazedbelmont]

Yeah sadly that's just how it is right now, their main (and in my opinion, their only ones) redeeming qualities is the super easy repairability and the long-term investment.

[@p0ddie]

@@datsneakysnek their prices are quite competitive, especially if you use the DIY models. Other brand notebooks in the same league like Dell XPS, Asus Zenbook, HP EliteBook are actually more expensive and some of them do not support Linux as well. Linux is not a big selling point as most people just use Windoze, but it's a unique selling point as there are not many laptops made with full Linux support.

[@AndrewPL5]

@@datsneakysnek That's not the point of this laptop. And you shouldn't need a new laptop every 3 years. Even if you do, all you need to do is upgrade the CPU (motherboard) which is way cheaper than buying a whole new laptop. These laptops are for the people who want to upgrade parts as needed. I'd rather pay a small premium up front and then ensure I don't need to buy a whole new laptop ever again, and I can upgrade ANYTHING I please over time, or if something breaks. That's the WHOLE point of these laptops. Just like people who build their own PC, they're more expensive up front, but you can customize anything over time and never need to buy a whole new computer.

[@jefmes]

@@datsneakysnek Only if you like wasting old equipment. I'm getting this AMD upgrade, and taking the old Intel board and turning it into a lower power home lab PC with the Cooler Master case. We have to get past this idea of disposable electronics at some point and they're doing it better than anyone else right now.

[@EminGT]

I'm so happy about the battery life. Finally a competitor to the newer macbooks.

[@mikelay5360]

meteorlake is coming

[@MrBOURBONKID2]

It is not just a conpetitor. It beats it if you consider, that you can repair and upgrade it by yourself for a fraction of the price of the repairs/changes of a macbook, if such things are available.

[@tonyk4447]

It'll cost 1 kidney to repair a MacBook

[@mikelay5360]

@@tonyk4447 that has been the case for more than a decade, didn't stop people from buying them

[@Hardcore_Remixer]

Been since a while. Ever since the 6000 Zen 3+ series of laptop CPUs. The issue was that Framework didn't manage to get a partnership with AMD untill recently or something. Not sure what the problem was.

[@hl321662]

M2 MBP used 17.5 WHr of power during the 4 hours playing Netflix while the FW13 AMD used 22.57 WHr so the MBP still has efficiency advantage of roughly 29%. However, considering the MBP uses soldered LPDDR while the FW uses socketed DDR which consumes more power, the actual difference on efficiency of the chip should be much smaller and we could consider 7840U to be in the same league as M2 in terms of energy efficiency. On top of that shorter battery life is a price I'm willing to pay for modularity and repairability as long as it's long enough for my use cases.

[@DenOfTimbsllc]

If you don't mind me asking, what's your use cases?

[@pham3383]

if the two things are under 25% difference,the laptop maker can cover it up by putting a bigger battery in,also zen 5 is coming in H1 2024,also m3 i assume,i love competition

[@hl321662]

@@floreslouis That's not far off lol.

[@ZlobniyTapoG]

@@pham3383 I think the m3 will get a slight edge over the m2. Because the current A17 Pro in the iPhone 15 Pro has a power efficiency advantage of less than 5% (mainly thanks to the graphics platform). The M series is based on the A series processors.

[@theglowcloud2215]

Honestly, how much more power does socketed RAM use versus soldered? I see this claim a lot but I can't believe soldered RAM is that much more efficient.

[@phucle5172]

This is a big stride for Framework. I hope this company will someday be more mainstream and change the industry for the better. I did an evaluation essay on this laptop and no one in my class knew of this laptop.

[@Raoul1808.]

I also got myself a framework, and that was pretty much the same thing, although I decided to get myself the clear keyboard, and the response was pretty unanimous: “Mew, this is cursed, why did you do this”

[@JarrodsTech]

Interesting results, it's a bit of a different story with the H series processors!

[@VideogamesAsArt]

Hey Jarrod! How much do we have to bribe you for you to review a non gaming laptop such as this one? :D

[@JarrodsTech]

@@VideogamesAsArt gaming only :)

[@Winnetou17]

@@JarrodsTech But but CS 2, LoL, Cyberpunk in 720p with FSR2 Performance, DotA 2, Rainbox Six:Siege and let's not forget, Minesweeper... so many games to test and benchmark!

[@VideogamesAsArt]

@@JarrodsTech I had to try :D

[@cameronbosch1213]

​@@JarrodsTechExcept for maybe the Framework Laptop 16?

[@drishalballaney6590]

Man I really REALLY wish framework sold in India, I would have just gotten this without any 2nd thoughts tbh

[@Linux_Fan_Boi_76]

They'll definitely expand to India. India is overtaking China as the new manufacturing Giant. Since all the companies are moving over to India. Because China is becoming an unreliable business partner. Indian consumers are going to have access to everything pretty soon.

[@ChrisTian-sd5yq]

same from Philippines

[@Winnetou17]

Same from Romania

[@HLover03]

Same from New Zealand

[@skygaz3r]

Isn’t there a freight forwarder u could use? Like stackry..

[@Atilolzz]

Man, I was really looking forward for a AMD 7040 video by you, but comparing it to a very similar Intel (+Apple) Laptop is an amazing addition! There are even quite affordable IdeaPad 5 Pro 14 with 7840hs which would also totally love to see your thoughts on

[@JustJoshTech]

Our aim for the channel is ALWAYS go above and beyond! Glad you enjoyed it. Re the IdeaPad 5 Pro 14, i'm struggling to get it in.

[@popothefirst6521]

@@JustJoshTechwould gladly wait for your vid on the ideapad before making a purchase. Highly enjoy your vids l. These laptops! Very informative all throughout.

[@kevinseveneleven]

Imo, IdeaPad line is junk

[@Cody4k]

Watching this on my 11th gen Framework, waiting for my batch 1 AMD upgrade kit to arrive. Already have a Cooler Master case for the old mainboard.

[@martindione386]

excellent review! you really nail the rhythm of the narration, combined with the concise information needed to make a good decision, kudos!

[@JustJoshTech]

What I love most about this job is constantly trying to improve! Glad you are enjoying

[@EnochGitongaKimathi]

Loved the Video. Competition is alive. The 13th Gen Intel Chip is fabricated on Intel 7 which was formally 10nm Enhanced SuperFin. The AMD Ryzen 7840U is fabricated on TSMC 4nm FinFET. This is a huge advantage for AMD. It will be interesting to see how Meteor Lake will compete. Meteor Lake is a Chiplet Architecture with the CPU Cores fabricated on Intel 4 EUV. The GPU Arc Xe-LPG is on TSMC 5nm FinFET. Unlike the Intel and AMD x86_64 based CPUs, Apple M2 Pro uses the ARMv8 ISA for the CPU Cores, and is fabricated on TSMC 5nm FinFET. I enjoyed watching the video and seeing how far we have come and got really excited about the future. I just watched an early leak of the Ryzen 7 8750U, AMD's first Hybrid Architecture using 4 ZEN 5 CPU Cores and 8 ZEN 5C CPU Cores (4+8=12C/24T CPU) as well as 8 WGP RDNA 3.5 GPU. Competition is fun.

[@ashar8192]

I really hope MTL will bring the much needed efficiency upgrades, if not, Intel laptops are done lol

[@HDRPC]

Intel core ULTRA meteor lake will be battery king and performance king.

[@HDRPC]

​​@@ashar8192 Intel Core ULTRA is 50% efficient than 13 gen is all core workload. In light work like media playback, only SoC tile will work. So even massive battery life. More than 2 times faster iGPU

[@defnotatroll]

@@ashar8192 done? you are joking. AMD are nowhere near intel when it comes so supply and therefore market share. walk into a laptop shop today and the vast majority of laptops will be intel and that isnt changing anytime soon

[@footsorebird0365]

I have been looking for a video comparing just these things against the different framework main board generations and this was a glorious Realization of it.

[@bryans8656]

Between Apple's M series chips and AMD's chips Intel has been taking quite a beating lately.

[@Lee.S321]

Roll on mid-2024 & Qualcomm will join the beating too. Intel's market dominance needs to be slimmed down or their complacency will remain intact.

[@lucasrem]

ARM is way better for mobile solutions, UNIX OS !

[@Lee.S321]

@@lucasrem Not always the case, as AMD's 7000 U-series processors have shown even an X86 chip can achieve the same, & in some cases better, performance per watt than an ARM chip. I just hope AMD & Qualcomm can chip away at Intel's market dominance, as consumers will benefit greatly.

[@patrickonodje1428]

This is an amazing laptop. Thanks for the review Josh 👍💪

[@powderypastor1242]

This was the review I was waiting for, I knew Josh would deliver! I'm in Batch 1 for the 7640U, can't wait for this baby to get here

[@JustJoshTech]

You will love it. Its one of the best laptops i've tested. And thanks for the nice words

[@cameronbosch1213]

I'm in batch 1, but for the Framework Laptop 16. And I _still_ have no idea when it will be shipping out, despite there being only 2 more months in Q4 and the year.

[@Tigerex966]

Can that usb3 support a egpu like older usb3 framework laptops. If so that would be huge. For games and video editing photo and 3d.

[@bbrainstormer2036]

@@cameronbosch1213 Probably not until December; it did say Late Q4 after all. Also, there's three months until the end of the year, not 2.

[@tralala8980]

Detailed with clearly stated caveats, great review, Thanks!

[@DavidTrejo]

Thanks for clarifying performance differences while on battery. This is an area where MacBooks have dominated and I’m glad AMD / Framework evened the playing field. 🤗

[@Phoenix56801]

Excellent video as always!

[@larscwallin]

Will be interesting to see how the 16" with the discreet graphics module will perform!

[@flescobarp]

As always, your videos are awesomely presented

[@FA-hi8oy]

One of my favorite reviewers. Like how you go into the right amount of detail

[@billlodhia5640]

Thanks for touching on the TB4 part. TB4 has a great reuse potential when you consider that it can attach devices in PCIe mode, which makes re-using the board as a homelab build more feasible. Admittedly, I'm not sure about USB4 potentially delivering the same function, but I've heard of weird stories with PCIe tunneling.

[@lucasrem]

Bill lodhia I only need a great screen, RTX card, some fast intel H CPU. Rest parts i need to swap, So dimms, NVMe storage etc. What parts you need to swap now ?

[@alexchomp]

Great video! I was just shopping for a new mainboard and was gonna go team Intel by habit, but happy to report you've changed my mind.

[@TSUNAMI17]

This is fantastic news! Thank you, Josh. Glad to see Framework delivering on its promises.

[@kabirulalo908]

Great review Sir. ! Please which one do you recommend me to buy between framework 13 with AMD and Asus Zenbook 14 OLED or Asus Zenbook S 13 OLED

[@butthead11555]

my respect to the people who vote with their wallets for repairable and upgradable stuff

[@mikelay5360]

Except things on the ground are alot different

[@fauxhound5061]

@@mikelay5360 care to explain?

[@magemor7827]

I bought my lenovo yoga slim 7 on your recommendation in 2020. It still doesn't fail to impress me today and I'm still a hardcore fan of lenovo keyboards. (I'm a computer science student btw) I have to say, if I had to buy a new one today, I'd be torn between a Framework or the latest refresh of the yoga slim 7. But I don't fortunately, so I'm hoping Framework keeps improving as fast as it is right now so that I can buy one with no remorse in the future when I need one! Also, your videos are improving at the same rate Framework does they pcs! Keep it up Josh, I officially value your opinion on laptops more than I value Linus Tech Tips's now! (No offense to them of course, big fan)

[@JustJoshTech]

Thank you. Its comments like yours that keeps me and all of us here now driving to improve. Every month we want to be producing better videos than the month before

[@magemor7827]

​@@JustJoshTechIt's heartfelt! Enjoy your Framework laptop on behalf of us jealous users that don't have it lol!

[@davidlt]

It seems AMD managed to deliver a great 7040 (Zen 4) product. Hopefully that transfers to Zen 5 based product in 2024 (unless something changes). There are also rumors about "Mega APU" (Strix Halo IIRC), which sounds very much like Apple M-series chip design wise. I think, rumors suggest Strix Halo to use 256-bit wide bus (that's 2x from normal) for memory. I know everyone has different needs and preferences, but I always prefer laptops without dGPU to avoid additional issues.

[@ariqahmer]

I think the entire laptop market would flip if they brought either a 14" or 15" version of the chassis and panel.

[@emberparadox458]

Only if they're able to bring the price point down some. I absolutely LOVE the idea of Framework, and everything I've seen indicates they are a fantastic laptop, but from a pricing perspective, the vast majority of consumers simply can't afford one of their laptops. I really do hope the company continues to thrive and innovate their architecture and continue to grow as a business so they're able to start bringing down their pricing for more mainstream consumer-friendly models. If they're able to do that I really do think Framework could change the... framework... of the laptop industry (puts on sunglasses.... yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeah).

[@ariqahmer]

@@emberparadox458 😎 yeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaahhh

[@soonts]

@@emberparadox458 I don’t disagree but note the laptop doesn’t have decent competitors. HP makes similar computers, but only within ZBook Firefly series and they cost much more than this Framework. Their reasonably priced HP Probook laptops are using the previous generation of AMD processors like Ryzen 7 7730U, which has slightly slower Zen 3 CPU cores, and dramatically slower integrated GPU with GCN5 architecture.

[@arcticpilotshow4440]

Very good review, thank you.

[@kamau6988]

Good review Josh

[@jjwagnell]

Thank you for this review. I have been waiting/hoping you would do this. Your reviews are some of the best on KZbin; Your channel is one of my go-to's if I want to know about a laptop or current CPUs. The only thing that I was left wondering about was light usage battery life. I was wondering both in comparison to Intel but also Framework as compared to other laptops since I know they have had some issues with power use. I realize the video test covers this but not entirely but maybe there isn't any realistic way to do this accurately? I'm not really in the market for the Framework 13 but I am very interested in the Framework 16 and am just trying to figure out how to pay for it.

[@MnemonicCarrier]

Awesome review (as usual). These new Ryzen chips are a force to be reckoned with. Wish they would sell Frameworks laptops here in the UK. I still have a little "Mini PC" with a Ryzen 7 5700u (with 64GB of DDR4) - it runs like a little rocket - never misses a heartbeat, is always responsive. I've just ordered a ThinkPad T14s with a Ryzen 7 7840u - unfortunately I have to wait 6 weeks for delivery 😢

[@saxman113896]

They actually do sell to the uk. They don’t have a presence there since they ship from Taiwan but they do support UK customers.

[@MnemonicCarrier]

@@saxman113896 Oh cool! Thanks!! Will take a look now :)

[@VideogamesAsArt]

yeah UK was already on their supported countries list at the beginning of the year. You still have time to cancel the order and change to this one :D

[@sasakanjuh7660]

Hey Josh, amazing video as usual, I was waiting to see AMD's counterpart for quite a while, and seems like it was worth the wait.. One question though; since it supports usb 4, it should technically be able to run eGPU without any issues, but I'm not sure does it actually work in practice.. Any chance you tried that, or would you be willing to conduct a simple test and let me know if the eGPU works, I would really appreciate it! Thanks :)

[@chx1975]

I want this but no TrackPoint 😢

[@javierandreiotaku]

Good video, It's really great to see windows/Linux laptops finally catching up with MacBooks

[@SpookySkeletonGang]

This is looking like a fantastic option, and if I needed a new laptop I would 100% get this lol. But hey if I can wait longer maybe we can see a refresh of the framework to see some of the other hardware quirks getting addressed. I would LOVE a high refresh option, even quieter fans, etc.

[@actyst901]

Just waiting on my Batch 4 amd 7640u framework should be close i am so excited to get it

[@MultiNakir]

if they'd add the OPTION for at least a 90hz OLED touchscreen like the one lenovo and acer are using and maybe the possibility of a hinge to use it i'd buy it instead of my MBP and Yoga

[@juusechec]

Your video is awesome! Thanks, I'm having problems deciding what will be my next laptop, and I couldn't find anything better than the MacBook Pro 14. But I want to use Linux, not another OS!

[@Nikolatetios]

Once more, great review. I'd be really happy when I'll see your review about Framework 16. Thank you!

[@raffiandtania6022]

dude, I love this channel! Just watched my first vid here, blown away by the quality.

[@gaiusflaminius4861]

Thanks for another great review. Your presentational skills are phenomenal.

[@JustJoshTech]

Thank you

[@smiththewright]

I would love to hear your review of Frameworks new Laptop 13 (Intel Core Ultra Series 1)!

[@Raphael_Hofmann]

Amazing comparison!

[@cristi_mx]

Been waiting for a review of the new amd cpus 🙌

[@shiruba2004]

The speakers and touchpad not being the best are common complaints. While I don't have issues using either, I can agree that they aren't the best available. The fan noise, though? Couldn't possibly care less. My Macbook i9 2015 was so noisy that it sounded like a plane was taking off every time I would fire up VMWare - by comparison to that all of the frameworks are silent. (I'm still glad it's reduced compared to previous models for those people who do care, though).

[@XYZ-xc1qi]

Really hoping you can do a similar video for the 16" Frameworks. I've pre-ordered a 16" AMD Ryzen 7040 Series, and would love to see a review of that one - compared to a 16" Macbook Pro M1 - before it lands on my desk (especially in respect of battery life, which can be a deal-killer even when other performance metrics are great).

[@lucasrem]

playing games on them, you need wall power all the time. UNIX on ARM is the better solution, apple did a good job here.

[@vhahahaha]

Amazingly detailed video Josh! I'm planning to get this laptop for university, but I don't quite get the meaning behind the naming convention AMD uses. I can understand that the 7840U has to be faster than the 7640U, but in what regards? Thanks again :)

[@VideogamesAsArt]

The 7640U has 6 cores, 12 threads and 8 Compute Units, compared to the 8 cores, 16 threads and 12 Compute Units of the 7840U. It will be very similar in single-core tasks and in efficiency, but multithreading and graphics should be around 25% and 33% slower, respectively

[@vhahahaha]

​@@VideogamesAsArt extremely useful, thanks so much :)

[@skygaz3r]

Now if only they had a touchscreen option, I’d be placing my order

[@koanyihlee7770]

Excellent review Josh 👍 Thank you and keep it up 💪

[@Yusufyusuf-lh3dw]

In terms of benchmarks, can you focus more on actual applications like Microsoft office suite, web browser benchmarks, adobe (photo and video editing), code compilation on GCC and Microsoft visual studio, CAD tools like Autocad and solidworks? Instead of cinebench and geekbench? That will give potential buyers a clearer picture of performance. Maybe also include frame rates for some common games.

[@engyn0]

Any chance you can do a sleep duration performance comparison? Is the Zen processor leaky?

[@andrec.136]

AMD has really come a long way. I am in the Intel camp but if or when I get a framework laptop, I will be going for AMD

[@ChristopherBurtraw]

Framework in general, let alone this latest iteration and the upcoming 16, make me wish I needed a new laptop. For now, I like building mini pcs, routers, etc from 2nd hand boards. Fun to play with "old" hardware. Their power bricks are solid values too.

[@todoroki4418]

Hey Josh great video. Are you reviewing the new Lenovo yoga slim 7 14 .5 inch with with a 7840s and and 90hz oled screen that just released in Europe and Asia? Seems like the perfect laptop imo.

[@JustJoshTech]

Next review is that one!

[@todoroki4418]

@@JustJoshTech Awesome bug Lenovo in the review to make it available in North America.

[@danielepicone2557]

Please if you really want to include Geekbench in the testing suite but it hidden at the end

[@nicobernardalemany2579]

Could you try out and review the new surface laptop studio 2 next?

[@ant4686]

Looks like Asus already offers 7480u in their Zenbook S 13 OLED (UM5302) model. Could you review it as well?

[@lu_k15]

At school my laptop won't be fully loaded all the time, so the battery test is not that good. What about idle? Chill battery usage like taking notes? watching youtube?

[@jackwong64]

Got a few Thinkpad T14, touchscreen, AMD Ryen7, 32GB ram, 1TB storage and onboard Ethernet port for ~1.1k each.

[@bakalula]

Interesting CPU, made me take a look at Thinkpad P14s and the HP Elitebook, both have the same CPU as this Framework laptop... thank you

[@MaheerKibria]

I have questions. namely were these tests done plugged in or unplugged.

[@drywinddotnet]

Nice. I have a Framework 13 with the i7 1360P. While it's performance is good, I am looking forward to upgrading to this new Ryzen board next year for better video rendering performance, then repurposing the 1360 into a single board desktop using the Cooler Master Mainboard Case.

[@lucasrem]

I would only replace the GPU module, that 13600 HX is still fast enough, not getting any benefits if you switch it with AMD now. The 13600 will never bottleneck that RTX 4090 mobile, or wait for the RTX 5000 mobile upgrades !

[@FluffyPuppyKasey]

I'd genuinely love to see a machine with a 7840U/8840U and an RX 7700S. I feel like that'd be able to, combined with AMD's SmartShift (when working properly) strike a fantastic balance between performance and battery life

[@billymania11]

Surface Pro 9 here. Fast enough for me doing daily tasks. I do code. Thinking about an external GPU for gaming on the weekend.

[@guilhermedamaso3982]

GO FRAMEWORK! Thanks for the thorough review :)

[@teriyakipuppy]

I've been waiting for reviews for so long for this chip and laptop that I've built my first pc already.

[@user-jj1hs1vc1z]

Although I don't need a new laptop I liked this one so much that I ordered the AMD DIY version skipping the SSD, memory and power brick with the following specs: Configuration $1,169.00 System: AMD Ryzen™ 7 7840U Customization Laptop Bezel: Bezel - Red $10.00 Keyboard: US English Expansion Cards 2 x USB-C $18.00 USB-A $9.00 HDMI (3rd Gen) $19.00 MicroSD $19.00 Audio $19.00 Storage - 250GB $45.00 Accessories Framework Screwdriver Included Add-on: Limited-edition pre-order bonus This is a preorder and I hope to get it before year end...

[@michaelrynn2465]

Because their is a choice, apart from cost reduction, is there a battery duration, efficiency or less heat production advantage to the 6 core AMD processor 7640U on the same Framework 13 build?

[@suspiciouscarrot8403]

If you were to use KVM/QEMU virt-manager, would you be able to pass through hardware components (like the integrated GPU for example) on an AMD-Framework?

[@KevPezJALP]

Looking to get a laptop later In 2024 for video editing first. No need to game. I was leaning towards Apple but idk. This Ryzen Framework looks epic

[@IDontKnow-bb6mt]

My next brand of laptop will be framework

[@mllarson]

I'm rocking the 11th gen i5-1135G7 version and I love it. I was able to plug in three 2K monitors and it ran beautifully in Ubuntu. I've never impulse-bought a laptop before this one. I most likely will get a higher-spec'd one for programming (more cores) at some point, but what I have now works great.

[@lucasrem]

Use it as a Desktop on 2 monitor, lol !

[@Whatthebug]

Josh when can we expect the 15-16 inch battle ❤️

[@JustJoshTech]

Funnily enough we are starting on those the end of this week. We have several videos on the 16s coming.

[@ContantContact]

Nice review. Almost pertinent to my use case. Which is that I want a bigger laptop than the 13. And, before this review was made I ordered a Framework AMD 16 (9/19/23). I chose it because of the repair-ability, and optimizations. I am tired of having a laptop with a flaky keyboard and soldered in memory, etc. I don't do gaming, coding, etc but do a lot of diverse but concurrent things that chew up memory and CPU. And I want to use virtualization, which uses more...and now I don't have the 'more'. But I will with the Framework. The negatives you list are minor stuff to me, and the one comment about 'feels a little cheap' probably originate in the fact that it is easily opened and fixed or upgraded. That means it is not a case with 8 screws etc making it more rigid. I am very OK with that trade-off. My main complaint? It isn't here yet. The waiting on the pre-order is tough. My (2) HP X360s both have keyboard problems and fixed memory limits, and I dearly want the Framework to arrive. Oh, I ordered without an OS. I run Linux now, and will be on the Framework. I worked years in IT, and now retired, also retired Windows and moved to Linux. Not going back.

[@aylim3088]

I wanted to find a laptop with some of the new AMD laptop processors. My last experience with laptops was a big, clunky, noisy one running windows 7 with an overkill, hot i7 processor, and I wanted a portable way to study and work on programming on the go. With that, the 6 core 7640U framework laptop was just right for me.. I've found myself using it a lot since I got it just before christmas. Light, quiet, not hot, runs whatever I need. Just chucked Linux on there and perfect portable pc. The fact that it, an x86 processor, can compete with an arm processor like the M2 pro in terms of power efficiency is incredible.

[@rahulgattani5441]

Wow, I love this laptop and these ryzen 7840u and 7840hs chips

[@remigoldbach9608]

I waited every day since Beginn of mass production for this video !

[@JustJoshTech]

Awh. Glad you were looking forward to it! I hope we provided the usual level of thorough testing we do explained in a fast paced easy to follow way

[@remigoldbach9608]

The first thing I do before I watch the video, is hitting the like button.I was never disappointed by your channel ! Honesty and transparency at the highest level ! I appreciate that you cover the framework !

[@juandavidmunoz2781]

Wow, Im sold

[@hisfatness522]

Just a small thing to note is that the color variation you see between the matte and glossy panel could just be panel to panel variance you could also see between just two matte panels side by side and may not be due to different panels beneath the coatings. I say this because I have purchased two identical smartphones and the displays had differences in color temperature as well.

[@Hionimi]

What about recommending it for digital artists? It has a pretty good screen (not the most colour-accurate, but way more than most laptops) and drawing programs generally just need a good CPU and RAM. And if needed, you can hook a bunch of screens to it too.

[@zoltanberkes8559]

I'm working on an M2 laptop and it never turns the fan on. It remains completely silent even during software compilation.

[@Whatthebug]

Josh are Legion 9i RAM upgradable? I am confused as they are soldered.

[@JustJoshTech]

Our one just arrived. We will take a look

[@cameronbosch1213]

It's upgradable but on the other side of the motherboard.

[@Manuel-rl6um]

I would've liked to see a comparison against the MBA M2

[@JustJoshTech]

I did consider that, but that's a fanless design. So i'd prefer to see what the processors can do under similar active cooling solutions.

[@johnpeters8724]

wait.... we have an x86 cpu that is both as performant AND as efficient as the leading arm one???

[@xaratemplate]

I want to see a review on framework 16. We value your opinions.

[@seekingsanctuary]

As much as you rave about the MacBook Pro, would it still be worth getting if I immediately dump iOS to install Linux?

[@cameronbosch1213]

Yes.

[@Wohli2]

Looks like it was a good decision ordering an AMD Framework, can't wait to get mine...

[@Zoolookuk]

Thanks for doing this review - I am actually awaiting the 16" Coming from a Mac it's good to see it's competitive in performance and battery life, which are what really counts in laptops. I hear that Framework's speakers are really terrible, is this true? MacBooks have really great speakers so this might be difficult to swallow.

[@CHURCHISAWESUM]

Framework is gonna be the laptop I probably buy next time: this time I’m getting a Mac. Next time around I’m guessing the framework’s 3rd party component ecosystem will be fleshed out so that you can get better speakers

[@Fr33KFC]

How do the 7640u and 7840u compare? Is the 400€ worth it for a student? For programming, cad...

[@danhyde7501]

Wonder how the ryzen 5 version holds up…. 🤔

[@DoctorShaunB]

If they dump the majority of their R&D into the creature comforts/manipulatives such as: killer speakers, increase ports, touchpad, keyboard, this will be a no brainer.

[@MW-mn1el]

Only wish speaker and screen is better, and bit better build quality. And available in more countries and slightly cheeper. Not as premium as MacBook Pro 14 or Air, but less “plasticky” on the inside. Me and my colleagues at work end up buying MinisForum UM790 Pro Barebone with 7940HS for works, running linux and compiling code and doing ops, super affordable, add plenty of ram and ssd storage. Only downside is weak bottom antenna, otherwise pretty great tiny box, very quiet for normal use, and not loud under full load. As always really like your review, battery/noise/efficiency coverage is really good. Not like other channels focus too much about laptop being “blazing” fast, that mostly only appeal to gamer, professinal and not helping normal consumer to make better choices.

[@doufmech4323]

As soon as they ship to my country, I will buy one.

[@mdnamussakib8077]

I hope I get to buy the AMD framework laptop next.

[@tipoomaster]

The most impressive part of this review is the nearing year old M2 Pro. But I love what Framework is doing, and AMD's huge gains recently.

[@Lee.S321]

Comparing a 13" laptop with a U-series processor to a more expensive 14" M2 pro was a little draft. The comparison should have been with the 13" MB Pro (not the Pro chip).

[@akin242002]

Great video! AMD for battery life with PCs. Intel 13th gen for performance with PCs. Mac CPU/GPU for both and video editing.

[@michaelpapadopoulos6054]

What about using an external gpu which requires thunderbolt?

[@shaunhall6834]

I'm glad laptops are getting the love they deserve.