When Alt-History Goes Off the Rails, Whatifalthist

[@TheStrangerintheAlps]

This is what happens when people who think the world/geopolitics work like their Paradox Interactive games.

[@morallyconflictedtortoise6494]

As somebody who loves paradox games, holy hell the community is a political cesspool.

[@Commielover69]

​@Morally Conflicted Tortoise what are you supposed to expect from a highly political game

[@morallyconflictedtortoise6494]

@@Commielover69 I think the problem is kinda the opposite, they're not political enough. It trivialises fascism, communism, and other extremism into cool aesthetics and different gameplay options for countries without ever really exploring the consequences of what's happening inside those countries. HOI4 is the worst political education you could get, and there's a scary amount of 15 year olds who think that everything they see in HOI4 (mods especially) is applicable to real life. I'd imagine most of them would grow out of being a 'based strasserite national socialist monarchy restorationist' but some will get into the IRL far-right (who are more than aware of Paradox communities as a recruitment tool) and that's a problem.

[@pivomanslovensko]

​@@morallyconflictedtortoise6494 Personally, paradox strategy games pushed me to learn more about politics instead of thinking stupid things. Hoi4 is supposed to be a fun ww2 total war game. It doesnt properly represent the utter brutality of the second world war.

[@linkinpark601]

People like whatifalthist give paradox players a bad name....Well,actually,i think they're doing a good job of doing that themselves.

[@Nofixdahdress]

"Back in the 40s and 50s, political polarization was practically absent in America." So we're just ignoring McCarthyism and the Red Scare, are we?

[@adamheuer8502]

I mean he’s not wrong. The public loved McCarthyism he had massive approval ratings. It’s only controversial post hoc

[@fungo6631]

The polarization was only on social issues, segregation specifically, and the Red Scare was something almost universally popular.

[@newwaveinfantry8362]

That's not political polarization. The Democrats and Republicans agreed on just about everything.

[@adamheuer8502]

@@newwaveinfantry8362 Yes that’s what I said

[@newwaveinfantry8362]

@@adamheuer8502 I was responding to the main comment.

[@krzszf]

Putting "low fat" in a leftist way of life chart is the most american thing i have ever seen

[@lightfeather9953]

It's about the USA, so yes our oddities are weird to the rest of the world, just like any country. and yes there is a left right element to our ideas of food and even exercise, with the left being more tied to aerobics and the right more into strength training. It's hyperbolic but like a lot of his videos, there's usually some degree of truth in it. Not saying that the points are overall correct.

[@haslamabad_]

@@lightfeather9953 ehh commies most of the time leansinto strength training too the soviets were crazy juiceheads

[@Colgruv]

​@@lightfeather9953I would have thought the typical right winger would be all about "functional strength" and classify anyone with a gym membership part of the coastal elite 🤔

[@SenpaiBrando]

​@@Colgruvhere in Italy the stereotypical white suprematist is a gym addict, with years of MMA training for 'self defense', bald, possibly with a beard and tatoos on the forearms

[@Steadyaim101]

Is that not the same elsewhere? Here in Canada there's a small but clear trend that left-voting people tend to be more intentional with self-care and personal health in general. The big factor driving that being that left-leaning tend to be more educated and more financially successful so they can afford the 'acai' and 'kale' over White bread and potatoes. Like its a very apparent trend in my country and I suspect it would be for pretty much all developed economies.

[@manband20]

Saying that the left is defined by "eating healthy and valuing consensual sex" and framing it as a bad thing is the most telling thing.

[@kko5779]

Are you from Ohio? That chart was (supposed to be) neutral, he didn't frame these as bad things

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

@kko5779 You did not just unironically respond to someone with "Are you from Ohio or something?"

[@kko5779]

@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 language evolves all the time, grow up

[@theletterm1787]

​@@kko5779 Are you It Started?

[@cherri_chip7257]

@@kko5779 no way you just called tiktok brainrot language evolution

[@salticus]

RIP Leon Trotsky, the first victim of Cancel Culture.

[@dragos1239]

Ancient greeks literally being banned from their city-state:

[@RunawayTrain2502]

@@dragos1239 And then, all the stone tablets where bought by Elonikos Muskios

[@chuunyeong]

Jesus was literally crucified because the snowflakes deemed him too communist

[@mememachine6022]

Got cancelled for trying to be stalin before stalin

[@muttipi]

​@@dragos1239mf stole the gyro

[@isaac10231]

"America is more polarized than ever" "Nah, I think the civil war was more polarized." Lmfao instantly subscribed

[@Unsupervised_Guidance]

I think he meant more people more states and a larger divide down the country that varies more then just north and south it varies person to person often

[@bob1964utube]

We are just as polarized now as we were then moron!

[@10thletter40]

​@@Unsupervised_Guidance Nono, you must take every word for face value

[@chenzomutumbo9140]

​@@mr.gnome60foe53shits not divided 50/50 though, it's like 30/30 with 40 simply not giving a shit.

[@chenzomutumbo9140]

​@@Unsupervised_Guidanceit was also divided amongst individuals during the Civil War... feel free to look up the concept of "Brothers killing brothers" not every northerners was in favor of abolition or restricting the spread of slavery... and not every southerner was in favor of desolving the union. anyway you cut it what whatifalthis said was breath takingly ignorant and silly.

[@shkamarustorm]

"Is he saying German Jews weren't Germans" Yes, Yes he is

[@neongenesisevangelion587]

So I take it the point he was making that video just completely flew right over your head? Jesus, the audience in this comment section have got to be hands-down, the stupidest motherfuckers on the planet.

[@danisrusski6297]

@@bullmoosevelt4495 But for fucks sake what to you think the Holocaust was if not the extermination of those viewed as internal enemies and "undesirables" by the Nazis? Also every right wing dictatorship does this. Russia is doing it in the parts of Ukraine it occupies. Operation Condor was a US sponsoring of various dictatorships on the right purging internal political enemies - YES the USSR and PRC did brutal internal purges but saying purges are a "left wing" thing is bullshit, it's something DICTATORSHIPS of all stripes do

[@InquisitorXarius]

@@bullmoosevelt4495Yeah uh extremes are extremes and to imply one extreme is less than the other is futile as they are both extremes regardless and should be condemned as such.

[@hedgehog3180]

@@bullmoosevelt4495 So you're saying that German Jews were not German and instead were foreigners? And somehow a "force"? Bro you're literally parotting Nazi propaganda right now. Not to mention even if we accept the premise of Nazi propaganda I bet Stalin would have just said that the people he accused of being counter revolutionary and purged were also an outside force.

[@houston1342]

Pacifists…

[@douglaspowter9743]

I think a missed point is that he isn't just describing a civil war. He is describing some kind of politically based genocidal civil war. Describing it almost with glee. Which is disturbing but fitting for him.

[@thebudgieadmiral5140]

I 100% agree, that is an impression I got from the video. There was not a shred of concern in it at this possibility throughout. EXTREMELY disturbing given that many people seem to not realise how much the rest of the politically US aligned world mimics US societal movements.

[@ycleptprof.5249]

It's bad, but I don't think it's that bad. Whatifalthist's video reads to me like a clumsy pretense for a loser stroking himself in essay format. Like, half his arguments keep getting back to his weird-ass grievances with how young men aren't laying pipe enough, and how you shouldn't mess with right wingers. Take that in conjunction with the fact that he is ironically what he describes leftists to be: out of touch with the nature warfare. He describes it like it's goddamn Fire Emblem or something and not a serious, complex set of affairs due to political circumstances far beyond "women won't fuck me." It feels like he's just trying to convince himself that he'd totally be a badass if/when the need arises, in part because he's a member of the in-group that wins (alienated, young men, right wingers, etc.) It's an idle fantasy that is hilariously uninformed on what a war looks like. TL;DR Homeboy ain't really about it. Maybe encourage him to touch grass and view women as more than a personal conquest, and he might be a bit more normal.

[@mrdolce1584]

I honestly think he needs psychological help. He seems to have the mind of a child with his binary thinking, which is coupled with a fetishization of war

[@pliskenx51mm83]

He's a 22 year old with access to the internet and has the base line understanding of politics that a James Bond villain would have. But that puts him at about average to most of the younger American voter base left and right. With very cartoony "my side good, your side bad" infantile descriptions all while ticking a check box that he no doubt got from Fox News. Dude comes off as not having much real life experience and wears his politics on his sleeve.

[@Elvesflame]

No joke. He literally said the military would "cleanse and kill left-wing cities." That's not only creed-based genocide, but genocide against nearly the entire country's own industrial/economic base. It doesn't make any sense. Dude's practically horny-posting.

[@ariariari7138]

100% this man learned politics from Paradox games with his understanding of how "isolated pockets" of democrats would get destroyed because there's red land around them. Like "ah yes this entirely empty farmland is going to spawn a right wing military unit which will occupy this space while the big city will spawn a left wing unit that will occupy this space but because there's more red units they will win"

[@alessandromarchiori38]

I Hope repubblicans Will forget to Ask help to the Silver Legion

[@davidarvingumazon5024]

I don't get this entire comment. I don't get Politics.

[@manboy4720]

and if i enact the 'fascist regime' policy, my industry buildings will get a 30% efficiency boost!

[@manboy4720]

@@davidarvingumazon5024 no one does.

[@poopscoop9016]

Tfw I spawn in Wyoming 💀

[@christophercorrell4525]

I do love how this guy thinks that there aren't leftists, centrists, and right wingers spread across the entire country, as if there is a monopoly of lefties only on the coasts and in small pockets. He thinks the right is this uniform blob with no nuance, either.

[@10thletter40]

yes, because it is a SILLY LITTLE VIDEO I've never seen someone take a piece of media like this so seriously y'all insane. Get help

[@queen-lilyorjiako268]

​@@10thletter40I've seen him in other videos, he is completely serious

[@10thletter40]

@@queen-lilyorjiako268 He seriously wishes for the mass murder of thousands? Are you sure about that?

[@TedBilk]

no like, as someone who most of the time doesn't like conservatives , he portrays them (and leftists too) with no nuance especially in his stupid chart. He clearly has very little lived experience

[@Hk121394]

It's a trope in amateur "historians" to never think about sociological aspects. Space filling empires much?

[@TheOakenMan]

He failed to consider that US cities will have plentiful supply from ports and local victory points while the Republican player will have limited civilian factories to upgrade the level 1 railways distributing supply from the capital

[@marxel4444]

i hate that i understand the hoi reference. Good job :,D

[@something1600]

Though to be fair the left has basically all of the centres of railway and logistics points. They would have a much easier way of spreading out across the country.

[@Patriotic_Brit]

victory points from HOI4

[@saigaihikigane6150]

@@something1600 "The left" Ah yes, the multimillionaires, famously supportive of unions and workers' rights.

[@thewisp7447]

I swear everyone leaves out logistics when discussing war. Freaking amateurs only discuss the tactics

[@redacted7230]

I remember watching this and being utterly confused when he went on a 10 minute tangent about men and sex

[@djriqky9581]

Yea......I became a communist because I wanted to change my material conditions and others for the better...not because I'm horny .

[@bconroy328]

Like that's a parody right? Do guys actually think like this? I am I no longer a dude?

[@scyobiempire4450]

his latest video is about the “coming incel revolution” safe to say he is crazy

[@noahfletcher3019]

If you dont think hes on to something given the rise of these red pill channels and lonely men you're just dumb.

[@acatwithwiskers9273]

​@@scyobiempire4450 I found one titled "Was the Unabomber right"

[@MrMarlowe3488]

It's insane to use "Kansas City vs Boston" as your range of "different kinds of America". Kansas City is a very large city that's had a (usually black) Democratic mayor since the 80s. He's not even comparing rural to urban, he's literally comparing two very large urban areas that generally would hold much the same politics, culture, and economic structures as one another. Hell the place even has a traditional east coast style italian mafia family that's been in existence since the early 20th century.

[@kanastrasza]

The amount of people who don't know the KC Metro has a population of 2.3 million is astounding.

[@quarkonium3795]

@@kanastrasza Similarly, the amount of people who think that Kansas City is more like rural Kansas than it is like "Liberal" cities like Chicago, San Francisco, or LA in terms of politics is also astounding. Having spent a lot of time in KC and also having driven through the rest of Kansas to get there I can say that they could not be further apart politically

[@journeymanic9605]

Supposedly the Gf's grandfather was an enforcer for said family.

[@zickster]

I agree being from KC the suburbs are pretty conservative as well as the exurbs but the city is liberal. Mr. Beat has a great video on this.

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

Kansas City isn't even IN Kansas, it's in Missouri! What is WIAH smoking??!

[@otho69AD]

He actually referred to potential killing of hundreds of thousands of liberals within multiple cities as "cleaning" I'm truly at a loss for words.

[@neo-filthyfrank1347]

They are pretty disgusting though

[@cirixium]

@@neo-filthyfrank1347 true

[@rivulet5417]

@@neo-filthyfrank1347 bluddd out here encouraging the mass killing of his ideological opponents 💀💀💀

[@itsfinnickbitch63]

this is a pretty common view amongst right wingers

[@agapitoliria]

​@@neo-filthyfrank1347Filth can't tell what's clean or not! So they just label everything different as filthy and clean it out of hate.

[@tuxcrafting]

i've rarely heard someone talk so confidently about complete nonsense whatifalthist truly is one of the guys of all times

[@FreddaYT]

Definitely a guy

[@AkuraTheAwesome]

I watch his content because it's interesting to see someone ramble on about their own personal worldview at length without realising that's what they're doing. I dread to think of the people that believe he's some sort of genius intellectual, the dude is a shopping basket of logical fallacies.

[@cyberjunkienet]

@@AkuraTheAwesome the /pol/ chuds love him. don't be surprised.

[@juliejeavons6949]

I take it you’ve never listened to a British Tory MP then? Sad thing is, it’s so common here it’s becoming accepted and respectable.

[@fl2terer]

​@@AkuraTheAwesomeI used to watch his content, but after the civil war video I realized this guy has no idea what the hell he is talking about

[@Toksyuryel]

Not only does he get all his ideas from HOI4, but he's also clearly _very bad at actually playing HOI4_ because he constantly ignores logistics.

[@scyobiempire4450]

and also how civil wars work in HOI4

[@vitaliitomas8121]

Tbf, HOI4 before like No Step Nack also ignored logistics

[@Torgan454]

Horse

[@endryus4269]

100% runs 7/2’s in the modern day with only support arty and recon. No air support or navy. Then complains when he gets naval invaded

[@pickleproductions5736]

​@@Torgan454 neigh?

[@1themaster1]

The popular view that cancel culture is an entirely left-wing phenomenon is utterly weird. Are right-wing autocracies that destroy unwanted literature and art and persecute dissidents better just because they don't use the term cancel culture to frame it?

[@lightfeather9953]

Conservatives started it yes. Remember the 80s and 90s when they tried to ban types of music and video games. Bill Maher was literally cancelled, his show cancelled by conservative cancel culture. The left took notes and now it's mainly a leftist phenomenon but not always.

[@zachmiller9175]

It's almost as weird as the idea that the military is overwhelmingly right wing, the right is currently condemning the military as woke while simultaneously believing they would have near total control of it if push came to shove, it's literally doublethink.

[@Idkpleasejustletmechangeit]

@Antonio-Gransci *cough* book banning *cough*

[@ThePurplePeppy]

Not to mention, the "right" is actively trying to "cancel" anyone seen anywhere near something pride related. As well, before the current "cancel culture" talking points, conservatives would fairly often "cancel" things.

[@jocabogdanovic3412]

​@@Idkpleasejustletmechangeitwhat books are u reffering to, cuz I think I know what books u are reffering to, and they aren't really great books to be defending

[@siobhanmercer9424]

The line “the nation is more polarized than ever” falls apart even if you exclude the Civil War because in the build up to the civil war (the era these people want to claim we’re in) a congressman was beaten half to death by another congressman on the house floor. Armed militias were engaging in Guerilla warfare in Kansas. Military administrators from southern states were clandestinely rerouting military supplies to southern forts. Like we are nowhere close to the level of polarization that the US was at in the prelude to the civil war. If you want a more apt comparison I think it’s fair to say the country is more polarized than it’s been since the Vietnam War which is still significant without being an ahistorical exaggeration

[@misterwhipple2870]

Be patient. Give it time. It's coming . . .

[@kennethferland5579]

It was the Senate floor actually.

[@GelloWello]

TBF I would of agreed with you but 01/06 happened and if things continue to escalate then we could be on that level. Invading the Capitol building was certainly violent polarized environment

[@siobhanmercer9424]

@@GelloWello while I agree that instance was worrying we are not anywhere near “Bloody Kansas” levels. John Brown and his sons single-handedly butchered like a dozen people in their sleep during a statewide violent conflict where people were being murdered daily

[@misterwhipple2870]

@@siobhanmercer9424 BLM and Antifa, although "mostly peaceful", is pretty G*d-damned near Bloody Kansas.

[@russman3787]

The "right and left ways of life" chart is the funniest thing I've seen in my life. The dude is literally trying to boil politics down to traits, like in a video game. All the people saying his understanding of politics comes from playing paradox games are probably right.

[@morezombies9685]

While this guy seems like an idiot, I'm wondering what exactly is wrong about pointing out perceived differences between the lifestyles of the right or left. I mean right or wrong doing that in and of itself isn't like... some insane thing lol. If I say "republican" you're not thinking of a recently graduated art major 20 year old living in Manhattan now are you?? lol.

[@condor237]

He’s literally a college dropout who moved back in with mommy and daddy to post videos

[@lyokianhitchhiker]

@@condor237he has a degree in history & is a gamer geek

[@kiraleaf]

@@lyokianhitchhiker That's a bad combination, he seems to learn history from video games and then make videos about politics that boil down to 'red team vs. blue team' without consideration of neutral parties and civilian casualties, but it was never about that. It's all about the game, about getting that YT ching ching.

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

@@lyokianhitchhiker History is the most worthless study to be an expert on, because it's an uncritical field of fact. There's no ambiguity. These people said this is how things happened in the past. End of topic. That's history as a study. Anything beyond that becomes just figuring out how to extract a source's biases to attain actually meaningful information, which is a skillset required to understand even grade school level academic topics.

[@smashmouthvevo1366]

This really feels more like a parody of a right-winger than an actual right-winger

[@H3XED_OwO]

that's phrase stays true for a lot of other right wingers ngl

[@farfetchdthegamer3810]

At this point, they’re parodying themselves

[@petebondurant58]

@farfetchdthegamer3810 At least he understands what a woman is.

[@farfetchdthegamer3810]

@@petebondurant58 Well, naturally he does. They’re the people that avoid him on sight.

[@poormanchemist]

@@farfetchdthegamer3810 Damn!!!

[@dr0g_Oakblood]

10:09 - "astrology for historians" is the funniest way I have ever heard someone describe "muh cycles of history" lmao

[@danieldelaney1377]

They are real. Tho

[@enotsnavdier6867]

​@danieldelaney1377 No they aren't

[@zacheryeckard3051]

@@danieldelaney1377 No, they aren't. They never were.

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

Also "Astrology for economists"

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

@@danieldelaney1377 good times make men hard

[@DRsideburns]

The incel warband is what made me completely stop taking whatifalthist seriously. Just a total doofus

[@tombradydid9114]

63% of men under 30 are single because women are fucking crazy and have created a society that rejects men. Young women dont give a fuck about men and CNN efen talked about it.

[@Raptor810Blue]

??? Pleas elaborate dude

[@ErOrNRK]

@@Raptor810Blue whatifalthis says at 21:22 "Honestly when I think of incels, the first thing I think of is them just being potential foot soldiers if I ever want to start a warband." You're welcome.

[@Raptor810Blue]

@@ErOrNRK it’s an odd comment but I don’t know what it proves

[@ErOrNRK]

@@Raptor810Blue I don't know either ask whatifalthis he said it

[@jacobb2984]

Whatifalthist has a 2014 era anti-sjw understanding of the left

[@isayeet]

Couldn't have said it better myself

[@HonestObserver]

Between him and Monsieur Z guess that means there's at least two right-wing AH KZbinrs

[@pissfather6798]

he also has a 2014 era anti-sjw understanding of history...and culture....and society..yeah pretty much everything really

[@MrOuija-rr8kq]

You’re right. He’s got that voice. That “We need the government to mandate sex for me” voice.

[@Hawaiian_Shirt_guy]

the idea that the entire worldview of half the political spectrum can completely change in 7 years is horrifying...

[@littletopo1]

Immediately when he said he was from a Philly suburb I knew he was going to be an upper middle class weirdo. Imagine listing Wegmans as your working class Pennsylvanian grocery store. This man would set fire the moment he entered a Weiss.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

Fuck, that's way too close to me. If the shit hits the fan, he better stick to his side of the Delaware. We don't have enough room to bury our own chuds, let alone Philly's.

[@Brian-nv8ei]

Or even a redner's.

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

Or a Wawa. Wait, is Wawa a Pennsylvania thing or a Jersey thing? I've seen Wawa's in both.

[@Brian-nv8ei]

@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 all that matters is we have the greatest gas station convenience store. Seethe, sheetheads.

[@littletopo1]

@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 both. It originated in Pennsylvania and Jersey embraced it wholeheartedly.

[@AltaryaDeFlammes1996]

as a brazillian, seeing Açaí as a "left wing food" made me lose it

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

It is a left wing food, but only if it is prepared by Lula, the Grillmaster.

[@stevens1041]

He always talks badly about Latin world and Catholicism. He should get out of his basement and see the art, food, and culture of a place like Brazil, or Argentina, he will soil himself.

[@buddermonger2000]

That's how it is in America tbh

[@GelloWello]

@@stevens1041Honestly I think he dreams he can be like Emmanuel Kant which never left his home region, and is widely regarded as an extremely well philosopher. Tho he isn’t nearly as intelligent or charismatic.

[@ashe8022]

@@buddermonger2000 have you ever considered not being fucking braindead?? how the fuck can a food be "left wing", stop thinking politics is about diet choices and aesthetics..

[@nicholasjonas2505]

Realistically, if the united states went into a civil war, it wouldn't be this right vs left, red vs blue, rural vs industrial bullshit. We would (potentially) balkanize into hundreds of factions, because there are so many different groups of people looking out for themselves from different geographical regions, with different problems and solutions. Solutions in Louisiana probably won't show up in Washington state because they simply have different problems going on. Geography determines history, and people seem to forget just how massive and diverse the geography of the United States is. We have deserts, mountains, Mediterranean forests, coniferous forests, deciduous forests, great plains, great lakes, fuckin hundreds of rivers, swamps, rolling hills, and the list goes on and on. Everyone who lives in these areas leave different lifestyles. Not to mention the large metropolitan cities and small rural towns. If I'm incorrect, feel completely free to correct me. I want to learn.

[@waywardscythe3358]

I partially agree. here's a comment I made about it before I saw yours. As someone from a military family, the right-left argument isn't a good one for how US Federal troops will side in a civil war. One of the effects of the intense military propaganda is that many servicemembers do believe that their service is for the citizens of America. if one faction is seen as being anti-Constitution or oppressive to the citizenry, large portions of the US military will not side with that faction, regardless of other political or religious ideologies. State militaries (national guard) are much more likely to be ideologically aligned with the state government for various reasons including more members being part time locals. If faced with federal troops though, the NG would almost certainly immediately surrender when faced with the superiorly equipped units who helped train them. A piece of evidence that I believe supports this idea of a hidden fault line in the federal military is two statements made by the Pentagon during the height of the 2020 protests. The first was that they would not send troops to support state police and NG and that their commitment is to defending the Constitution and American citizens, the second was ordering police and Guardsmen to wear identifying unit patches so they would not be mistaken for federal troops. Both of these things are normal positions for the federal military so the significance is that this was stated again publicly. I read it as supporting the protestors more than the cops even if slightly. There is a possibility that a second US civil war has one of the strangest timelines, where factions fight each other up until the federal troops show up at which point both sides just stop fighting.

[@pavelandreev4727]

You are probably right, just leave the Balkans out. We here have a very long and complicated history with many different ethnic groups, languages and foreign interests. We have waged a bunch of wars on each other and tensions are high even today. I don't think it can compare to anything you've had or have in the US. Although I get your point.

[@izzyj.1079]

Balkanization is just the term for when a large faction fragments into several pieces in this sort of discussion in our language/culture. Obviously termed after said region, but theyre not saying anything about you

[@tbotalpha8133]

"Realistically", any civil war would be entirely rooted in the particular economic, social and cultural conditions of its time. That said, the idea that the USA would shatter like glass is nonsense. All polities survive by cultivating loyalty in their members. The polity exists because enough people with power want it to continue existing. For as polarized and hostile as US political discourse has become, there are still a whole lot of people who see themselves as "Americans". And those people would rather the USA continued existing as a united polity. Thus, in any outbreak of civil war, you're far more likely to see large blocs of Americans clinging together, out of a desire to maintain the status quo. That's what happened with the Romans. Being considered "Roman" was a civic matter, not an ethnic one. A person was a Roman because the Roman state said they were a Roman citizen. The same way one is an American because the federal government of the USA says they're an American citizen. And the Roman Republic and Empire suffered *multiple* civil wars, that would have brought any other empire to its knees. But the Roman state did well to maintain a citizenry who wore their civic status with pride. A citizenry *that really wanted the empire to keep existing.* That's how the Roman state survived so much turmoil: there were always enough people who wanted it to survive. Right to the bitter end, and even afterwards - that's partly why so many of the post-Roman states in Europe claimed to be Roman successors. It helped the leftover Roman citizenry accept their new overlords. Because that's how states die - when they run out people who want the state to exist. In every state, there are always people who want out. And they will wait, patiently or otherwise, for any sign of weakness. When the state finally falters, they will rise and fight for their freedom. Which will weaken the state even further, and may prompt more rebellions. Maintaining a loyal citizenry is the highest priority of any state. And for all its many, many faults, I believe the USA has done an *incredibly good* job of building a loyal citizenry. If America ever collapses, I firmly believe the Americans will go down biting, kicking and screaming, just like the Romans before them.

[@pavelandreev4727]

@@izzyj.1079 I know that. I just wanted to point out that there are reasons for this happening on the Balkans that I don't see in the US. Thus I don't see balkanization of the US as a possibility. I don't take it personally.

[@kompatybilijny9348]

I am always amused by his opinion about European countires being weak militarily/economically/politically. And his reasoning for this always boils down to "they are not fighting each other anymore and I liked when they did that".

[@enderkatze6129]

As a European, we are Fairly weak militarily, and Our political Power is great in theory, but we Lack any Sort of Back one and, honestly, Kind of act Just Like a US puppet.

[@kompatybilijny9348]

@@enderkatze6129 First - there is a difference between being a puppet and having aligned intersets. From experience I can say that the only people who do not recognise this are American facists and indoctrinated Russians. We do not always share interests with the US and when this happens, we simply do not follow them. Secondly, European Union as a whole has the second strongest army in the world - the major difference being the type of conflict we are prepared for. US is basically completely isolated, so they have their army focused on force projection and invading, while European states do not really want to bother with invading anyone anymore, as it's simply too expensive and inefficient.

[@DIVC-1]

​@@kompatybilijny9348 as a latinamerican a good fraction of people here has the same problem not differentianting allied with puppet

[@manboy4720]

man, it was so much better when the british were fighting the french. or the spanish. or the germans. or the irish. or the scandinavian vikingr. or the falklands. or, well, basically every other country. britain really liked fighting other people, huh?

[@jimmyjenkins1907]

@@manboy4720nice bait

[@stellaflowers301]

I really do have to respect that this guy genuinely just said "the right would win a civil war because incels have a lot of pent-up rage" and kind of just left it at that

[@bloggystyle]

Kudos for schooling people on the FACT that it was Reagan who first proposed encroachment on 2nd Amendment rights when the Panthers had the audacity as citizens to exercise their rights to bear arms.

[@bloggystyle]

Love that this pretentious moron-Whatifist has been getting routinely dunked on. Keep up the good work

[@Imulti]

Right wingers are for gun rights until black people start carrying guns

[@josuejimenez6174]

I’m sure if another civil war broke out in the United States a bunch of KZbin intellectuals such as ourselves would be able to determine who the winners would be. 😂

[@FreddaYT]

Exactly lmfao

[@MysteryGeek2006]

If it dose, I'll just start singing the Union anthem

[@theblackswordsman9951]

The only side that wins is the side that controls the military. The US military so ridiculously powerful there is little chance of any kind of revolution winning.

[@phillgornall2296]

It’s easy, whoever gets the most supercharger wins!

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

Also, that red vs blue map is absolutely hilarious cause the blue parts contain the vast majority of the population.

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

And the fact the blue parts have better infrastructure, better access to modern technology, all major political and economic centers, and all ports. Lol

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

And that hilarious bit about how "left wing armies are bad": the nazis lost regularly to the USSR. Lol

[@shellshockedgerman3947]

​@@casteanpreswyn7528"regularly" they lost one war that led to them dying. If it comes to battles, it's more "balanced".

[@casteanpreswyn7528]

@shellshockedgerman3947 it actually isn't more "balanced." The USSR won more battles than they lost against the N@zis. That only considers physical battles, if we include ideological battles, the USSR won even more.

[@manboy4720]

@@casteanpreswyn7528 the fact that russian terrain is fucking awful to traverse in the winter probably helped a bit. who knew having bad roads could actually help you?

[@gentlesandladymen]

My brother is (was?) obsessed with this channel. He keeps sending me whatifalthist videos and I haven’t watched any of them but he brings this guy up all the time and cites him as a source. Watching this explains a lot

[@Daft_Vader]

Have you sent this video to him yet?

[@WangMingGe]

I think the countryside would win a civil war, based on historical and recent examples as late as Afghanistan 2021. But, this althist channel is assuming Americans would want to kill each other. Other than a few lunatics on either side, I don't think they hate each other that much. It's a fiction of social media.

[@PAINt0theMAX]

Zvallid is worse

[@jacksmith-vs4ct]

He also kinda forgets that all the US allies would be dropping aid and troops left and right on whichever side was considered the legitimate side.

[@nestormakhno9266]

I don’t think that matters much if the Belgians came into America I assure you they would get smoked by everyone. Americans don’t fear Western Europeans

[@reav3rtm]

I'm not quite certain US allies would dare interfere in US internal affairs. Or how allies would judge the legitimacy of either side. All in all this fantasy scenario is really even difficult to imagine happening. I could see factions rebelling like MAGA crowd/cult, but otherwise it's even difficult to single out issue causing rebellion. During American Civil War it was slavery. Today? Banning firearms without permit? But then it would not be left vs right but "oppressed gun owners militia" vs "tyrannical government" and we can guess who would win that.

[@jacksmith-vs4ct]

@@reav3rtm well they almost got involved in the original one lol but they ended up supporting the union by staying out of conflict militarily at least. Thing is that had a leadership to defend slavery though they made other issues too since the average solider didn't own slaves they just fought because they made him think the north was taking something from him. what exactly would anyone fight for now I'm just not sure. Oh but even if US allies wouldn't our enemies would definitely be arming one side or the other to keep the conflict going lol

[@reav3rtm]

@@jacksmith-vs4ct As Central European and from country being US ally I'm not sure "we" would be cheering for conflict to prolong. Quite the opposite, civil war in US would be absolute disaster for so called "western world".

[@alexandrub8786]

The enemies too,not necessary to the legitimate side.

[@Treblebeatgames]

"Americans have sex education, right?" How do we tell him?

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

Hey, we _have_ sex education. That doesn't mean it's _good_ sex education.

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 We not only have 50 different versions of sex education in the US that range from decent to hot garbage, each version changes depending in which part of your Imaginary Square you live in. You could live in a super conservative state but live in a liberal area with liberal teachers and vice versa. All this is to say America is a very smart, good, and normal country.

[@eddie142]

How to tell him what? That America does indeed have sex education???

[@TheRealSantaGaming]

A little too much sex education depending to which state you’re forced to go to school in

[@sycration]

​@@jeffersonclippership2588bro I went to school in a public school in los angeles, and my sex ed teacher did not say what a clitoris is

[@disolvedecay]

I like how it didn't take very long for him to start mentioning incel talking points lol

[@benjaminwatson7868]

Historically who have been the people fighting on the front lines

[@bubbabruh6309]

​@@benjaminwatson7868poor people.

[@rithvikmuthyalapati9754]

@@benjaminwatson7868 Not at all true

[@jzdude01]

@@rithvikmuthyalapati9754very true. They’re involuntarily celebrate because they got conscripted at 16 before they could get any pussy and died too soon to get a hooker because they didn’t live long enough to get their first paycheck from being in the frontlines.

[@vedsingh-bp2ke]

​@@bubbabruh6309and men

[@walrusassociation9317]

"This man doesn't understand how the world works" seems like the key takeaway

[@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500]

Imagine escaping slavery and dying fighting for the Union in the American Civil War then watching this video in heaven and hearing him say that kinky sex vs r*pe will be one of the causes of a second American Civil War

[@1MarkKeller]

Imagine escaping slavery and dying fighting for the Union in the Civil War, only to look down and see the country is still trying to defeat inequality, racism and sexism.

[@thunderspark1536]

​@@1MarkKellerEh, that's always been the thing. People have always been at one another for the tiniest differences.

[@1MarkKeller]

@thunderspark1536 Equality for all versus equality for a chosen few is a tiny difference? SMH

[@thunderspark1536]

@@1MarkKeller It's always been equality for a chosen few, unless you've managed to build a communist utopia somehow. Luckily the overall level is quality for the average person has risen, so that's still a bonus.

[@pablo_giustiniani]

​​@@1MarkKeller*"the world was and will always be shit"* -famous tango lyric

[@TheSaxyCarrot]

To think that a 2nd American civil war will be made up of only 2 factions Is entirely goofy.

[@the25thprime]

He’s a goober

[@luigimrlgaming9484]

It’d be essentially 2 factions, since they both hate the other sides more than they hate the people on their side.

[@GelloWello]

@@luigimrlgaming9484you say that but many ghettoized minorities will decide between factions. Same thing happened during our THE civil war. Native American tribes would alaign with either side and switch sides depending on which one helped them the best.

[@luigimrlgaming9484]

@@GelloWello Don’t know if you noticed, but no such groups like the Native Americans exist anymore, unless if you consider cartels and illegal immigrants. The majority of the civil war was the citizen population of the Union and Confederates.

[@GelloWello]

@@luigimrlgaming9484 I think you fail to notice our oversees territory and Alaska which all house many US arms and military resources.

[@Mogswamp]

I saw this video too and was astounded by both the view count and lack of pushback in the comments. That entire channel is a total joke.

[@Anonymousaggro]

Hey surprised to see you here. And yeah, his channel is an absolute joke and falls into a lot of the same failings that many alt history channels do. Which I find to be tragic as I find the topic of alt history to be a fascinating one, too bad it's often overrun by ahistorical right wing chuds.

[@enderkatze6129]

There's No guarantee He doesn't delete comments contradicting him

[@Cosmid_]

Minecraft politics

[@SomeDudeWhoIsntDead]

everywhere i go i see your fucking channel, why

[@stinkmonger]

well of course, his viewership consists of rightoids just being spoon-fed what they want to hear

[@rosalindchapman9035]

"When I think of incels..." My guy, the incel is inside the house.

[@terminallycapricious2149]

I like that he also basically proudly admits that he thinks the incels would be on his side like dude? You know that's not good, right?

[@AgonizedApricot]

How are incels bad@@terminallycapricious2149

[@DinoCism]

They tell on themselves so hard.

[@lxstcheckll9348]

Falalcy

[@WangMingGe]

He actually released a video recently about how the "coming incel revolution" will take over society.

[@matthewsetlak5589]

“Do American not get sex Ed?” The American Education system: “It depends”.

[@FreddaYT]

lmao

[@jacksmith-vs4ct]

Yeahhhh I remember that abstinence education lol

[@matthewsetlak5589]

@@jacksmith-vs4ct if you are lucky to even get it at all, some of my friends any form outside of what was explained by their parents/guardians.

[@jacksmith-vs4ct]

@@matthewsetlak5589 good thing I had the internet and was smart enough to use it

[@LarryWater]

We were taught separately by gender. The male teacher let us boys laugh a lot during the lecture.

[@michaelgregor1640]

Whatifalthist strikes me as that guy who was the smartest kid in his high school history class and spent much of his youth playing strategy games, but never really grew out of his pseudointellectual phase because he hasn't spent much time in the real world, and holds onto a very surface level understanding of politics and the world at large because he's never actually been challenged and forced to think critically about his biases. His politics are akin to a lot of the "classical liberals" you've seen popping up in the online right in recent years, which is really just boomer conservatism rebranded for zoomers, in that it seeks to maintain things at an arbitrary point in time while it lags only a decade or two behind progressivism, and views even incremental social progress as a sign of the end times. I remember he had a debate with Vaush wherein he claimed that civil rights and the abolition of slavery were natural byproducts of (Christian) liberalism, but things like wokness and "trans ideology" were not. I think the biggest handicap for mainstream conservatives in the west is their habit of conspiratorial thinking, where everything they like about society is proof of their ideological superiority, and everything else is the work of shadowy infiltrators (usually in academia, where conservatives usually can't hack it).

[@michaelgregor1640]

Thanks for the heart. 🫀

[@Klaesick]

Well said.

[@czarpskov3337]

Clearly your viewing that debate in quite the biased light, while whatifalthist was unorganized in his responses Vaush was no more intelligent and posed no good counter-arguments

[@michaelgregor1640]

@@czarpskov3337 You're assuming that just because I was critical of Whatifalthist that I'm defending Vaush's position. I've seen debates where I felt neither side came out looking particularly good. Vaush, in my opinion, has plenty of egregiously bad takes.

[@czarpskov3337]

@@michaelgregor1640 Well said I have no comment, I'm glad you clarified. I also agree that a cap on successful Conservative voices in this era is the all too often association with conspiratorial thinking and the like.

[@scooble_]

My man played one Paradox games and thought he understood politics

[@amyr4242]

"left wing people wouldn't be able to use facts and logic like me, they'd be talking some emotional stuff about women and minorities" is rich coming from a guy who spends the whole video unironically quoting from a WWI general and the song written by a band who first and foremost commemorate the individual soldiers who were slaughtered for no good reason

[@shimrrashai-rc8fq]

Yeah. The "gender studies" bashing crowd likely also hasn't even picked up a single book on actual gender studies to read what it's really about and are only going off what their favorite right wing pundit joker said. Hint, folks: _it's real scholarship._

[@silent-hills]

also, talking about “honor and god” as a basis for war. like okay mr “erm actually i’m cold and logical unlike those left wingers” lmao

[@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500]

"they do not have the intellectual capacity to comprehend being beaten by the opponent, anyways i literally cannot comprehend the possibility of us being beaten by the opponent 🤓"

[@Doomer_Optimist]

To me it seems like the right tends to feed off emotion and illogical feeling a lot more since it panders to nationalists, religious people, and sometimes bigots. Also reaction against perceived or real changes in society often happens on an emotional level for right wingers.

[@Blakbox92]

"honour and God and country" DUDE IS SUCH A LARPER

[@RobJarrell63]

When one of these guys use the term "radical left wing" to describe anyone with remotely left policies, I'm convinced they don't know what radical means

[@jerkjerkington3874]

"Radical" is hard to define these days considering that everything today is "radical" compared to 99% of human history.

[@misterwhipple2870]

They know what it LEADS TO, and that's really the point.

[@hedgehog3180]

@@misterwhipple2870 What a welfare state? The highest living standards in the world?

[@misterwhipple2870]

@@hedgehog3180 No, actually, it leads to bread-lines, slave-labor camps, re-education, The Road Of Bones and mountains of skulls.

[@hyperion3145]

​@@misterwhipple2870 Didn't know we had a radical left government during the Gilded Age

[@Poppyon07]

Alternate history larper casually not understanding gerrymandering and thinking all the red bits actually have more people than the little blue bits😂

[@xgcsurreal2608]

It’s not even close to equal either there is more people in the “Blue” areas of Virginia then the rest of Virginia and West Virginia combined

[@bconroy328]

I asked a guy why he belived that the electoral college was useful. He said if it was up to popular vote then blue would always win since there are more people. I am not gunna go into why or why not we need an electoral college but this does confirm that there are way more population in thr blue bit rather than the red bits

[@jghifiversveiws8729]

His 'City vs Country divide' was actually pure comedy. Cities or urban areas in the US is where 80% of the population resides so they severely outnumber those in exurban or rural areas and could easily overrun them if it came down to it. Not to mention urban areas in the US tend to be more youthful and in better shape (significantly lower obesity rates) than rural ones.

[@luigimrlgaming9484]

Urban areas would run out of food in days.

[@kennethferland5579]

@@luigimrlgaming9484 As will Rural areas when processed food stops being delivered FROM the processing plants. Food is not consumed directly off the farm anymore people, the supply chains are enormously long and complex now for EVERYTHING, self-sufficiency of a Rural areas at anything above medieviel living standards is impossible, that's why cities are what gets fought over in civil wars, they are the transport hubs which are the key to the supply chains.

[@luigimrlgaming9484]

@@kennethferland5579 There are plenty of good processing plants out in the country side and farmers can turn to more traditional methods to turn their crops edible.

[@ravensfinancial]

@@kennethferland5579 There is a high percentage of preppers in rural areas. Trust me, we be good. People in major cities though... Not so much. Most grocery stores would be out of food in a matter of hours. And God help you if you live in NYC lol

[@dabo5078]

@@luigimrlgaming9484 You do realize those cities control all the major ports right? They could import as much food, weapons and war-making material as they want and have the population to use it. Let's say if they decided to get Chinese and Russian support, they would literally have an endless amount of equipment and resources. Not to mention most of the industries are located in the cities. Before even the food processing plant could stop working they would have been conquered and forced back to their posts.

[@outlawruby]

this guy knows we have wireless communication now right? Like captured territories don’t need to touch geographically to communicate with each other.

[@thiccchungo1041]

Nah in his eyes if territories aren’t touching they can’t talk, they also suffer a supply and organization penalty since they can’t receive supply from the capital

[@Maddiedoggie]

He forgot this isn't Hearts of Iron 4 and that the military isn't gonna use radios from 1942

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

But I thought real life was like a Risk board-game... what do you mean it's not!!?

[@darkithnamgedrf9495]

@@KaiserMattTygore927 This example doesn't make sense, since for all intents and purposes, risk *does* have wireless communication between territories, since you as the player control it and know exactly whats going on. Also in Risk, having one or two territories with a lot of troops is better than having 15 with 1 or 2 troops each. Risk is like the antithesis of Whatifalthists theory

[@eVill420]

I haven't finished the video honestly but I'll just respond to this comment; we have seen time and again that territories need to be in close proximity if not touching for them to stay under one empire for long, it doesn't make sense to be ruled overseas with focus being split. Kaliningrad has become completely different to the rest of Russia, even though it was completely connected just 32 years ago. Australia has less and less to do with the British every year and the languages already became distinct, maybe that slowed down with the internet but it's for sure continuing I'm too lazy to think of examples but cultures develop not just based on communication but also based on practical needs

[@josedanielherrera7115]

"You do not see right wingers turn on their own people." @30:27 This guy is not even worth debunking, he debunks himself. Let him self-destruct.

[@diarradunlap9337]

Exactly.

[@NegaRenGenX2gay2lift]

i do love that quote, considing that the most surface level evidence of right wing infighting is that the fact that "Republican RHINO" is a derogatory term

[@goldbullet50]

@@Giantcrabz Well, it's one of the rare instances where whatifalthist has a grain of truth. Hitler never resorted to massive reigns of terror against the wider German population. Any potential for larger resistance was suppressed from the get-go by nipping the bud, aka. purging the SA leadership or imprisoning the left-wing radicals. The amount of Germans in prison in the 1930's was measured in just tens of thousands, of which most were "rehabilitated" by the time Hitler invaded Poland. Stalin on the other hand purged millions and put a million in gulags, for the sole virtue of being suspected for undermining the communist rule. This, of course, does not account for Holocaust or the genocide of minorities, but they were considered to be the "others" and not part of the German majority. NSDAP was a lot more effective with their propaganda and application of power, in order to "legitimize" their authority and turning the societal whole to support them.

[@TheLuckySpades]

​@@goldbullet50they weren't terrorizing the German people if and only if you believe their othering rhetoric and believe what was left was the German majority In your own example can you not say that the people the Soviets persecuted and spied on were "others" and thus weren't terrorizing their people? The Gestapo, the SS, militarized police forces, invasive laws and law enforcement, the othering of whole swathes of the population and of dissenting opinions, and the silencing of so many more all happened within years of the Nzis gaining power The Nazis sent Germans to camps for increasingly flimsy reasons and a lot of people just disapeared And that all before they went to war

[@TMKnight]

speaker of the house go brrrr

[@jonathonrodriguezthomas6457]

I hate the argument that in a potential civil war the Republicans would win simply because of sheer landmass, a potential civil war would likely end up somewhere close to being like the first war where the South would fight against larger more well equipped forces because most, get this, the US coastline is home to some of the most populated cities with larger ports and industrial sectors while the more republican areas are home to large fields suited for cattle and agriculture. In essence it is less of a tactical advantage than one might think.

[@tbotalpha8133]

Also, having a huge landmass with a low population density will make moving and concentrating troops, supplies and materiel a lot harder, because you'd have so much more distance to cover if you wanted to achieve... basically anything. Logistics is an exponential nightmare hydra, that war planners and generals have been wrestling with since the dawn of human militarism. If you hear anyone discussing the outcomes of a war without mentioning the logistical challenges, you know they're full of shit.

[@Speederzzz]

Also these wars would not be decided by the people, but instead by the armies and foreign support. "Cool hunting rifle bro, here's a Baytaktar drone to bomb your bunker"

[@deeznoots6241]

It is incredibly funny that thy think cities will lose, ever since wars have been fought control of cities is more important than the countryside. Also they often assume ‘they will just starve’ but history shows what happens when farmers withhold food from cities in civil wars, the Soviets for example in the russian civil war simply sent soldiers to farms and requisitioned food with force of arms.

[@ChaffyExpert]

@@Blakbox92 lol how would they take the food, with what army, and what supplies. Yeah real scared of a bunch of starving vegans holding a gun like it's a bomb about to go off.

[@haulperrel2547]

@@tbotalpha8133 We can simply cut off the cities and let the bastards starve in their cities. Even in leftist areas you have actual people on the outskirts of the big cities.

[@jerodwolf5582]

Thank god, I thought I was crazy when this guy was saying, "wars are a good thing," in one of his videos, as if the catastrophic losses of lives justifies technological progress

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

Isn't the technological advancement just because governments put a lot of funding into r&d for military stuff? I feel like I can think of at least one way to get those advancements without having to be at war first.

[@LateNightHam]

War is a good thing, just not for the soldiers fighting it. I feel is a more fair statement. War economy is good for the economy, War breeds technological innovation. War can bring a nation together under a single struggle or equally good dependent on perspective War shows the cracks in the system and forces change. War is a waste of life, fought over generally stupid reasons.

[@Bobisproud]

​@@LateNightHam well sometimes that innovation is kinda uselss on it's own like nukes that would take out the entire of Africa and Europe as there so destructive that they become pointless especially if the other side has one too and much of the useful innovation can be got by funding much cheaper (still in the trillions though) science experiments eg NASA made many science discoveries but core rocket tech was discovered in trying to make missiles wars can fake an economy by which i mean the gov effectively does ubi but get's people to make weapons' on the side this means that the economy can improve without the need for war

[@chopchopmasteryeetus3636]

That must mean that catastrophic losses of life are good!

[@daanstrik4293]

I’m not necessarily against sacrificing lives to achieve technological improvement (assuming that technological improvement ends up saving more lives in the future). Now, aside from being a dumb hypothethical that i’ve never heard of happening in real life: War is a terrible way to achieve this. Aside from a few notable examples: War nearly always slow down technological progress rather than accelerating it. Every glass we use to make a sniper scope could be put in a microscope. Every young man in a trench could be studying physics instead. Everybody who says war leads to technological acceleration completely ignores the cost of war or how science is actually conducted.

[@g.lucchio5660]

I love how what he described for an American civil war is an "Protracted People's War" for America, but without the "People's" part

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

The Protracted White People's War

[@intheorigin0728]

The choice he offered between fighting for gender queer people of color or fighting for honor and god and country is probably the most absurd thing I’ve heard all week. On one hand, ask a war vet how they feel about honor and god and country after seeing their friends turn into pink mist. These abstract reasons for going to war are famously used by those in power to manipulate young men into fighting for nothing, and famously paper-thin in the face of real horror. On the other hand… the dude is completely oblivious to the fact that when their existence are on the line, gender queer people of color are not only perfectly capable, but down right ferocious about fighting for themselves. Band of Thebes, buffalo solders, Tuskegee airmen, code talkers. The guy claim to be a historian yet seriously operates under the assumption that straight white dudes are the pinnacle of martial prowess, and wars are won by whichever side with the most honor, god, country and straight white dudes. F*cking lol.

[@Eagle93Writer]

Like even as far back as the Art of War people realized: THe last thing you want is to figth an enemy that believes they are figthing for their very existance because they will absolutly do so and unlike regular soldiers not run away when shit goes south because they have nowhere to run. Battles arent won by wich side runs out of men first... at least not usualy. They are won by wich side runs first. And a population of various Queer people figthing a rigth wing army that specificly wants to eradicate them? Yeah thats not going well for the rigth.

[@calisto789]

The idea that a person could will start a war cause there are too many gay super heroes and that a person could consider themselves reasonable is crazy

[@Colon-D...]

Watch out the giga chad army of the right is going to steamroll the soyjak armies complaining their enemies aren't using their pronouns!! Not that the threat to the queer and other victims of rightwing bigotry, will obviously fight the hardest when the enemy literally wants to destroy them. No, it's the millions of white men who believe in God and Country! which is why the Confederate states of America won the civil war by utilizing their young, white superiority in battle, defeating the incompetent blacks.

[@andreahighsides7756]

@@calisto789they’ve just created a twisted narrative where queer people are all pedophiles somehow targeting children by being visibly queer. I am a trans person in America, the right wing here really believes at least in part the hate they parrot. Scary times

[@J-manli]

@@calisto789 That kind of plays into why those right wingers hate being called hetero and or cisgender. While both those terms are just categorizations, they inherently remove the ability for right wingers to call themselves the “normal ones.”

[@Zman14888]

Norwegian man knowing American history and politics better than an American is a real mood.

[@Estradiol_Gaming]

It makes sense. The version of us history that Americans are taught is full of pro US propaganda. Other countries have no reason to teach their kids to be US nationalists so they get a more honest view of US history.

[@goldbullet50]

How is that a surprise? Even the average homeless alcoholic European is more educated than the majority of Americans.

[@JustSamGuyOkay]

​@@beansworldliveAnd that just makes it worse. All that knowledge at his fingertips, and yet he instead plumbs the depths of ignorance and dumbassery

[@bananton645]

@@beansworldlive does that diminish his knowledge at all? He’s clearly done far more research than whatifalthist on the topics discussed.

[@Ariana_y004]

@@beansworldliveas if the American man experienced the actual events of history in person 💀

[@Toksyuryel]

Always remember that when an american talks about "the left" what they mean is "everything left of the extreme far right". The vast majority of people in this country see the modern democratic party as a left wing party, and they advertise themselves as such too- purely because they are left of the modern republican party (which moves further to the right every year). Whenever people want to talk about the _actual_ left they tend to use the word "progressive" or talk about "progressivism" (which exists as a small faction within the democratic party because they have literally nowhere else to go). The words "liberal" and "conservative" have different meanings here as well; specifically, "liberal" means "democrat" and "conservative" means "republican". Here when people want to talk about real liberals they will say "libertarian" (which you will mostly find within the republican party). Be sure to translate these words before attempting to understand wtf an american is talking about, because most of us are using them completely wrong.

[@gidi3250]

From what I recall both parties in the USA is center right, however the republic party trying to keep itself relevant and in power started pushing populist figures to the front to try and attract more and more to keep the moderates in check as they would still wound up voting republican rather than democrat. These populist figures however tended to embrace right and far right ideas thus alienating the republican moderates, hence the talk of the republican party maybe dying/splitting in 2 as the 2 groups inside the republican party are at eachother's throats over the state of the party - all I recall from a professor talking about the American political parties.

[@realemperorkuzco]

And even Democratic Socialism, which is used to describe Social Democracy.

[@CarTM]

On the other side of the coin, we observe that when a dude with an MLP pfp talks about someone being "extreme far right", they actually mean anything not "far-left".

[@CarTM]

On the other side of the coin, we observe that when a dude with an MLP pfp talks about someone being "extreme far right"

[@CarTM]

On the other side of the coin, we observe that when a dude with an MLP pfp talks about someone being "extreme far right", they actually mean anything not "far-left".

[@HJ-ju4ui]

The arraged marrige bit completely came out of left field lol 😂

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

Yeah that startled me too.

[@Idonothing-jj7qe]

Is that a pun ? Oh you goof

[@the25thprime]

It’s just his fantasies at this point

[@lolasdm6959]

What kind of parent give their daugher to him????

[@corncake4677]

The insane focus he has on “you win wars by how much you have epic tactical military ready based retvrn men you have” and not like, who had better logistics or whatever like is usually the case

[@hmnhntr]

B-but tough guys with guns beat soyboy queers! What do you mean logistics, international support, and higher population are all important factors?? The Left rejects masculinity, so they can't beat the Right!! Like, man has clearly never looked at the conversation around the first civil war at the time. The Confederacy was very confident that their rough and tumble manly men would have no trouble defeating the weak, academic northerners. But I'm pretty sure I remember it going down differently than that....🤔

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

Even by his map the Dems would clearly win the Civil War. I mean we have the Northeast Corridor ffs.

[@vlc-cosplayer]

Russia: 💀💀

[@Saxton_Hoovy]

I mean the better logistics can be a factor but in a civil war, ability to moblize and morale are more important. Logistics matter more and more the long the war goes. Who wins likely could be seen with in two months in a war like this.

[@lucyla9947]

Also weird thing he glosses over when it comes to why the Left in America tends to lean towards college educated, maybe it's because you meet more people. For many Americans college is the first time that they meet people with differing backgrounds, political views and life experiences than they do, and when they do so they start to make comparisons. It's a lot easier to ignore systemic problems if they don't effect you or anyone you know, but once you get to college you will start to meet people who have been impacted by these systemic issues, and that can cause a worldview shift. like seriously it's really easy to ignore systemic racism when nobody you know has experienced it, but when you go to college and your new roommate is, for example, a black guy who has faced difficulties throughout his life in a way his white peers never has due to racial profiling, well now it's harder to deny.

[@petebondurant58]

You meet just as varied a group of people, perhaps more so, in the armed forces.

[@joedatius]

@@petebondurant58 literally how? most people in the armed forces are the kind of people who would be in the armed forces. its not a group of unique individuals. thats not an insult thats literally one of the main points about the armed forces. not to mention the clear lack of any women

[@hunterno7704]

@@joedatius I served six years in the US Army, and it is obvious you are talking out of your rear and are a naive civilian. Yes, combat arms units are normally dominated by white males for whatever reason, but in all of the support and logistics units I served in we had a very large amount of POC, women, and LGBT people. Anyone who has done time in the military has had their worldview radically shifted because of the sheer amount of diversity there is in in most units. People who join the military are not usually right wing chuds, because right wing chuds cannot work together with diverse people. you, my friend, need a reality check against the biases you hold.

[@thespeedofchillax]

this dude whatifalhist is the epitome of the dunning Kruger effect in action and with his constant mentioning of how he dropped out of college is a perfect example of how without a formal education, one is not actually that educated.

[@inurokuwarz]

The first time there was a civil war it turned out they used the professional army to secure railways and roads that connect all those "disconnected" and "surrounded" areas.

[@glntv5217]

It's funny how he often gets so close to the real answer but then explains himself to a ridiculous other conclusion

[@stonebrix168]

This is the best way to put it

[@agnu2279]

Cope harder

[@agnu2279]

Cope harder

[@capnsteele3365]

@@agnu2279 you are munching on his balls so hard

[@bruhbutwhytho]

@@agnu2279 stop dickriding

[@cryo311]

i find it hilarious that he's basically saying "socialism or barbarism" throughout the entire video and then concludes "how about fascism?"

[@jamiecameron4564]

He picked barbarism 💀

[@luigimrlgaming9484]

Fascism is socialism, but it’s nationalistic.

[@FloofMother]

I mean he did put an Arno breker statue in the background within the first 2 minutes of the video

[@arctic_line]

I mean, that's not too far off what actual fascists did.... And a disappointing amount of self proclaimed socialist revolutionaries...

[@luigimrlgaming9484]

You people love misinterpreting those that disagree with you as fascists, then go ahead and act like them yourselves.

[@JaceDeanLove]

"You don't see right wingers turn on eachother" Kevin McCarthy - "Am I a joke to you?"

[@gordonf5553]

1934 Germany be like:

[@Bobisproud]

also other nations that are kinda far right are not fans of the American far right because of there nationalism

[@pliskenx51mm83]

Scrolling through Breit Bart's comment section shows how much unity the right has. All it takes is one comment to send them all into an argument with each other.

[@WangMingGe]

@@Bobisproud I am Ukrainian, and a nationalist, although I enjoy learning about other points of view. Yes, it does strike me as strange that American far right is so hateful to other groups, even decent and respectful individuals of those groups. They do not just make jokes for fun, or have a sense of humour about, say, different ethnic groups; it is genuine hate, always. And they do not tolerate any dissent at all. The oblast my family is from is statistically 100% religious, 0% atheist or irreligious according to the census. But we don't beat up people for being gay (if it happens, it's a crime), we have Indians and Nigerians living peacefully and integrated, and there's nothing wrong with a woman owning a business (my fiancee, for example, runs a document processing business). To many American KZbinrs on the right, us accepting these things makes us leftist degenerates, even when we are are quite proud nationalists, and personally very religious. Also, how do they expect a nation to be healthy and traditionalist, when they love AI replacing artists and musicians, when they love profit and efficiency so much that there will be none of the "classical western culture" they claim to love? It's like a mix of Walmart and ISIS sometimes, American right youtube.

[@jamespulver3890]

@@WangMingGe The extremist youtube on each side is generally nonsensical. How are you pro-life and pro-war and anti welfare for children? How are you individual expression of everything, yet "words are violence"? It's good for clicks, and hence revenue. That's all. Some are deluded, but look at the incentives too. It's tribal team warfare, and it has nothing to do with a coherent worldview - I think most of America would never have even thought of the concept of a "worldview" much less have an interest in it being coherent. I try, and even I have to admit to some contradictions that I just can't resolve.

[@androidhammer]

It's very obvious that he started with a conclusion and worked backwards from there. I think his most egregious mistakes in this video are when he's talking about the actual combat itself. He didn't mention population at all, or the fact that even if a rural population tried to attack a city, they would have to deal with urban warfare on a place that is completely alien to them.

[@Bzerker01]

I have in-laws who have never even been to a large city before and when I took one to my local supermarket they about had a panic attack because of the number of people there. Not the first time I'd seen a rural person go through that shock either. How many would freeze up the moment they walked through a suburb which had more people than their entire county?

[@noblebork7444]

On this particular day, I decided to go to a steakhouse and order a nice sirloin and baked potatoes. Suddenly, a popup appears in my upper-right vision: *You have become more republican* Suddenly, I become more cemented in my faith. In order to balance it out, I have a dairy-free ice cream platter for desert at my local small business. *You have become more liberal* I am now more reliant on scientific explanations. My political balance has been restored.

[@spidertails9797]

whatifalthist logic

[@RusS1482]

lol leftism and being reliant on scientific factuality is just not the reality we live in, not in America atleast

[@n8zog584]

You earned an Omegalol

[@ghostwolfdeclassified6399]

How fun. I prefer a little of both. And then I go on with the rest of my day.

[@seanhartnett79]

I order a steak. You have become more Republican. I drove my electric car home. More democrat You go hiking Republican Attend a socialist rally. Congrats you are now a socialist

[@Tenebraeification]

I'm somewhat surprised and glad that at no point did Whatifalthist not bother pointing out that Mexico a country that's next to America spent it's first century as an independent nation meandering from one disastrous civil war into another before climaxing at the Mexican Revolution of 1910. It had many splintering factions, a genuine split between the urbanites and rurals, a military that for the most part supported the junta during the preamble, and you know how conservative Mexico is along with it's low gun ownership among the civilians. Basically Whatifalthists wet dream. The Junta and conservatives were practically the first factions that both were circle beaten to oblivion before the revolutionary war entered the next phase as the Leftists from the city(Corranzas government) and the Rural peasant revolutionaries couldn't reconcile their differences and dragged the war out for another half a decade. Culminating in a sort of compromise government of leftism and some old guard conservative(PRI). That held power until the mid 1990's. Certainly not the dream scenario of rural conservatives beating down the soyboy city folk because it never worked like that. America got luck that their civil war was relatively organized and the Federal government remained cohesive throughout the war, they shouldn't count on that being the case if a round 2 happens.

[@xibalbalon8668]

One double edged sword is that people like whatifalthis don't know nor care about history outside of the US and Europe

[@czarpskov3337]

Smartest guy in this comment section, you come with a extremely valid criticism

[@pinkmann8399]

i think the difference is no american is a peasant.

[@TheRealFurBallz]

Just remember round 1 dems wanted slavery.

[@Tenebraeification]

@@TheRealFurBallz The dixiecrats and their modern inheritors in the Republican party have certainly embodied the very worst that America has to offer. After all why else would the core of the modern Republican party lay in the same hotbed of treason and malcontent that the old democratic party used to call their home turf when they betrayed our nation.

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

There's something so disturbing to me about the concept that all young men would run to join the horny "go get them women" army. I have five brothers, and regardless of their politics I can't for the life of me see them as ever treating women as anything other than another human being. It's so weird seeing someone apparently genuinely believe that so many men would.

[@baileyharrison1030]

It’s messed up I know, but the monsters in our societies always show themselves in times of war. I recommend looking up the “rape of Berlin” by the Soviets at the end of the Second World War.

[@0rtu_Solis]

I am college aged guy that lives in Alabama, and I’ve shifted my politics massively in the last three years. Needless to say almost every friend I have is conservative. None of them would ever think like that. Out of the dozens of guys I’d say I know pretty well that I grew up with, maybe like 5% of the guys seem like they could end up being capable of that. Conservative people aren’t monsters, they’ve just grown up with super entrenched beliefs that giving the government any more power is evil and usually that left wing policies are unrealistic, even though they’re often morally correct. Of course there’s issues like abortion where they would support taking away women’s rights, but it comes from a genuine belief that millions of children are being murdered every year. I think they’re often being manipulated by lobbyists or news networks, but they are almost always genuinely good people. This dude is a disconnected hyper-online pseudoscientist with a gross outlook on humanity that he portrays onto a lot of other people.

[@TheSpecialJ11]

I think this comes from a fundamental misunderstanding of the original theory that said womenless men cause political violence. They aren't consciously going "Me horny, you horny, we together go take women for us." The original theory is more like "Disaffected young men without prospects for economic and familial fulfillment project their dissatisfaction onto political and economic arrangements, and become either violent criminals or militants who have no desire to keep the system running and rather typically desire to tear it down." I think this theory actually holds a lot of water. Look at who terrorist groups recruit for suicide bombings. A suicide bomber isn't doing it to get women (except maybe 72 virgins in heaven if you believe the meme), he's doing it because he hates something that wronged him or his family so much he'll give up his life just to help destroy it. So maybe your brothers would never join a roving band of rapists, but they might join a militant group that seeks to overthrow the government and society they see as unjust and corrupt.

[@jfk8540]

because right wing people actually can’t grasp the concept that their views are extreme, and stupid, and that most people in the country actually aren’t on the same page as them. they don’t know that just because someone isn’t a communist doesn’t mean they’d be down for a fascist takeover. and when it comes down to an actual fascist entity attempting or taking power, it’s almost universally hated and galvanizes people to fight against it quite quickly.

[@wizzlepants1274]

​@@0rtu_Solisthe problems arise when politicians manage to appeal to your "average conservative" by speaking the words and acting the part of an extremist conservative

[@bluebaronjack2265]

48:05 Shay's rebellion was literally one of the reasons why the Articles of Confederation were thrown out and Federalization occured with the creation of the current U.S. Government and the Constitution. Also, there are a multitude of rebellions throughout U.S. history, along with various incidents that lead to conflict. The 1811 German Coast Uprising, the 1877 Railroad Strike, Blair Mountain as you said, and etc.

[@soni3608]

As well as the 1811 Slave Revolt in New Orleans, which caused more people to become pro abolitionist as word of what happened got out

[@Nostripe361]

Would you include the fighting with the Mormon colony of deseret vs the American army

[@aribantala]

Less of a Civil War, and more of a War between Alliances. But I reckon it should be included because the circumstances of the war The King Phillip's War or Chief Metacomet's War is a war between Colonial New Englanders and Chief Metacomet of the Wampanoag tribe Named King Phillip's War because of Chief Metacomet adopted name was Philip. And his nation was a very close ally to the New England Colonists at the time and the Wampanoags lived and worked together with New Englanders on their Colonies... Until they don't... The usual Natives - Settlers/Colonist Relation shenanigans. The war was considered to be the largest war ever waged in the History of Colonial America, and oversaw the largest Army Mustering ever done in New England's History. It is considered as a pivotal moment on Future America's views on how they operate with and/or against Native American Nations

[@aribantala]

Oh and 2 Armed Riots occuring just within a decade on the same city The New York Draft Riot (1863), and the Orange's Riot (1870-1871)... Both were incredibly bloody and the former was considered "no better than a Confederate Victory" according to some Local Publications at the time

[@RadagastBrown420]

The Bonus Army Uprising

[@WantSomeWhiskey818]

The worst part is that his voice genuinely sounds like my political science professor, the main difference is that my professor is a wonderful man and WIAH is a weirdo. Edit: THE LEVEL OF DESPAIR I FELT WHEN HE STARTED TALKING ABOUT DATING APPS OH MY LORD

[@NegaRenGenX2gay2lift]

i have not seen a single second of the video and just came here for the comments . and it paints me a picture that this guy is is the kind of dude who would be reported by the campus PD for being annoying and weird to the opposite sex

[@nestormakhno9266]

If America did go into another civil war it wouldn’t be a simple two side affair like original civil war with states outright succeeding but it would be more like the Russian, Spanish, or Chinese civil war due to the large size of the US a collapse in central order would cause anarchy and something more akin to a warlord period with several factions fighting for control all over the country. The American first American civil war was caused by social and economic factors (slavery and its implications) that made the geographic divisions much more defined than they would be now and makes it not a good reference.

[@twisted_fo0l]

So Syria.

[@johnroach9026]

@Bibo-bo Anselmo war criminal leading one microstate? its gaming time

[@jacobnoelle8428]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/rqGlqp1rbcaho8U

[@callusklaus2413]

Just anecdotally, there is a really strong left and right wing subculture of "Cascadia" in the PNW, especially in more spicey corners here. For the right, it has origins in the "Northwest Wonderland for the White Race" and for the left it has origins in IWW type left wing labor organizing, and later anti racist movements. Seattle and Eugene have power bases in technology and manufacturing. Highely educated white liberals have strong power bases and economic power in the cities, who also have intense and mutual resentment with disaffected far left individuals. There is a subclass of white conservatives who are intensely religious, either tied to the Mormon or Seventh Day Adventist Church, who still have intense anxieties over Catholics, a sizable conservative minority group in urban areas in Seattle, Tri cities, Salem and Tacoma. Indiginous Nations like the Muckleshoot, Puyallup, Cowlitz, and Nez Perce have made it their political business to steadily purchase back stolen land and have created what is essentially UBI for members via the success of casinos. (There may be more Oregon nations here, but I haven't heard of any that have the same creeping cultural and economic power of the Salish Sea nations that have emulated the Seminole model of survival) Korean, Black and Philippino communities are especially dense and organized in Seattle, Tacoma and North Portland. These groups have been historically antagonized by white liberals via gentrification and outright violence by white protestants. Lastly, there are left and right wing forces named here who advocate for the concept of Cascadia and those who would absolutely be loyalist to broader American politics. There are isolationists, secessionists, and globalists in all of these groups. There are dense and complicated webs of political power here, and nobody could tell you how it would shake out. That's just Oregon and Washington too. Every place is just as complicated.

[@oilybat3269]

@@twisted_fo0l yea, Syria.

[@quintusantell2912]

It takes so long to break down how bizarre that alt history video is. The original sounds perfectly sane for all of five seconds and then goes off the deep end about men not having enough sex from dating apps. Bud just casually explains to the world he's sexually frustrated, and that's why the whales are going extinct. "Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk, you can buy corporate t-shirts on your way out, on your phone, online, or when we sneak it into your purchasing ticket as a hidden fee."

[@the25thprime]

I’m thankful at least this video and everyone in the comments like you exist. When I first saw this and the comments I couldn’t help but panic thinking buddy here was unchecked and unopposed

[@peoplesrepublicofliberland5606]

I like how he ignored Geography and demographics because big red small blue. The mountains would shield the west coast from the Midwest, meanwhile the midwest is empty and flat as all hell.

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

Also the Northeast is basically one gigacity that would be insanely hard to just steamroll through

[@Morgan_of_the_Maxilla]

​@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 A gajillion midwest neoconfederates try to run at Socal before getting slaughtered by the gangs defending their territory

[@Gorbgorbenson]

And even then, the highest reaching places in the midwest are skyscrapers in the cities. They also have advantages in that Chicago would have a port to the great lakes allowing transport between it and Duluth, among other great lakes cities.

[@A2forty]

As a Midwest person I can say we are not empty. Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland and Cincinnati are still industrial centers and the great lakes are a strategic center for both fresh water, farming and industry. However they are also very purple and if they did go along the word ideological lines then it would major fighting here.

[@peoplesrepublicofliberland5606]

@A2forty Purple is being generous. Cities are overwhelmingly Blue.

[@josiahcain4176]

The statement, "non-college educated military" Makes zero sense given the military recruits from colleges, even creating systems like ROTC to recruit college students for future military careers, looking for those with the best grades and performance in college!

[@jmssr5504]

yeah, people who enlist out of highschool don't exist at all. You're so right, absolutely right. As right as it gets. Sooooo correct

[@calisto789]

They're the grunts @@jmssr5504

[@froglegstastebestsalted]

Are you from here? There's jokes about marines not being able to read

[@josiahcain4176]

there's a reason those are jokes. It isn't reality. The US contains several programs in which many asspiring military recruits require a college degree. Such programs are meant to pay for college tenure for those who apply for things such as ROTC.@@froglegstastebestsalted

[@djriqky9581]

Yea no.....I know of no college students who WANT to join the military....they are looking for careers in coding or computer science and want to work companies like Google or SpaceX. Probably a few but no I never heard anyone of my friends or people talk about going to military unless they are straight outta high school and parents are kicking them out or something

[@santi2683]

"astrology for historians" lmao literally 4chan haplogroup tier

[@pandemicphilly60]

"Non college educated military," I live in the Hudson Valley, and I've visited Annapolis a dozen times. The military is 100% led by college graduates.

[@zelliehtrue]

And now he's ignoring all the countries around the world that have peacefully and democratically turned leftwards politically over time. He really needs to learn more about demographic shifts

[@OtherDAS]

We are NOT like most countries around the world.

[@ciphergacha9100]

@@OtherDASunfortunately

[@OtherDAS]

@@ciphergacha9100 You misspelled fortunately.

[@vorynrosethorn903]

Populism is nonsense, leftwards or rightwards.

[@pepeokatze]

​@@OtherDASchild labor sounds fun

[@dawn_oh420]

the fact that this dude started off the video by saying "i made the original version of this when i was in high school" is just the cherry on top.

[@lanemars]

And you wrote this comment in highschool so who's really winning

[@TheGhostOf2020]

@@lanemarsim sure not winning as a 28 year old who has to deal with highschoolers marking up pseudo-intellectual arguments that entertain the self-destruction of the nation as inevitable.

[@da_BemBem]

​@lanemars and you thought to write this comment at all, for some ungodly reason. Lmao

[@lanemars]

@da_BemBem and you replied so this is all dumb asf

[@plainText384]

When a child in kindergarden draws a painting of their family using crayons, the resulting piece of art doesn't exist "to challenge social assumptions" or "to move the medium forwards", it exists to bring joy to it's creator and/or their parents. But it's still art. To claim art ONLY exists to challenge social assumptions in incredibly reductive and probably excludes 99% of of art pieces.

[@wrightcember]

ah yes, furry porn exists to push society

[@popopop984]

@@wrightcember😂

[@finngardiner5358]

But would an artist emulating the style of a kindergartener be challenging the social assumption that art exists to challenge social assumptions? Artists can be tricky like that ;)

[@plainText384]

@finngardiner5358 Maybe, but that doesn't really change that the kindergarten kids are also artist.

[@wrightcember]

@@finngardiner5358 as an artist…no

[@fruit2540]

This alt history guy learned history through Sabaton songs, I'm 100% sure of this

[@johndoe7017]

Sabaton is great, but I wouldn’t use it to learn history lol

[@blank2556]

Eh, it sounds more like he listened to Sabaton on a broken speaker that caused half of the words cutting out.

[@kaiserepsilon4011]

Specifically Ghost Division.

[@mattmiller9809]

How he thinks a Civil War would happen: "whoever is the most sex deprived and whoever has the most land and whoever is the horniest will win" How it'd actually happen: "whoever wins over the military, has the backing of the most foreign powers, has the most money, and has the most guns and most capable military will win"

[@fluidthought42]

Logistics, logistics, logistics.

[@theshrubking9974]

"the red area produces everything" looks at a map of where Boeing, Raytheon and Lockheed Martin factories are Tea except for the things you need to fight a war

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

I'd have thought being massively horny would put your army at a massive disadvantage.

[@tomnaughton]

“Fighting for God” is a total oxymoron considering one of his ten rules is literally “thou shall not kill” lol

[@stevqtalent]

tbf, the christian "thou shalt not kill" comes with a whole lot of asterisks traditionally.

[@Freeaviator]

​@stevqtalent not really. It just means thou shall not kill. Unfortunately past empires have added those asterisks, but the original was generally just don't kill people if you can help it

[@OtherDAS]

​@@Freeaviator Nope, it's "Thou shalt not MURDER". Plenty of killing done in the old Testament, mostly in war and it was kay. See how Israel fought their enemies.

[@OtherDAS]

Nope, it's "Thou shalt not MURDER". Plenty of killing done in the old Testament, mostly in war and it was kay. See how Israel fought their enemies. But yeah, keep going on like you're so superior.

[@Freeaviator]

@@OtherDAS no one said anything about me being superior. Calm down

[@jackalnerf6230]

I enjoy alternate history, and in the last couple years I've watched "Whatifalthist" and especially "Monsieur Z" go from making pretty normal fun history videos to incorporating far right propaganda into their content. Its very sad and frustrating.

[@15Monkes]

Once I heard Mister Z start say “McCarthy PWNED all those communists who, it turns out, actually WERE communists and DESERVED to be blacklisted and marginalized!! (citation needed),” I knew what sorta rhetoric I’d be seeing and slowly stopped watching him. Similarly with Whatif but his stuff became way more evident once he started talking about western culture and also his content was kinda dry anyways so he was a bit easier to fall off from. I’m glad that they’re the only real prominent examples of anti-sjw pseudo-fashies/possible actual fashies in the alt history corners.

[@jackalnerf6230]

@@15Monkesyeah it’s wild. Sucks because Monsieur Z had good graphics and fun scenarios.

[@lovelylavenderr]

Same thing here. It's kinda why im glad channels like AltHistoryHub (Cody) have kinda stopped talking about it overall and he just started making funny content he likes.

[@the25thprime]

Pipelines my dude. Pipelines

[@stateofflorida5082]

​@@15MonkesI still remember when Mr Z called the civil rights movement a Soviet plot to destroy Anerica.

[@r31n0ut]

'I don't understand why left wingers don't play a softer hand'. Yeah, I'll be sure to take advice on political strategy from someone who explicitly wants me to fail and fantasizes about civil wars where he gets to curbstomp me.

[@Atrocitus-k2j]

“In the 40s and 50s, political polarization was absent…” tell that to the victims of McCarthyism 😂

[@OtherDAS]

What "victims", everyone on his list WAS a Commie spy working for the Soviets. Do you mean the House Committee in Unamerican activities... the one run by Democrats?

[@vorynrosethorn903]

There weren't any, they were all guilty, the Soviet archives opened in the 90's, we know the names of their assets and a good deal more. The whole thing was a stitch up.

[@bretonloveland851]

They were not all guilty. He made false allegations about alot of people and ruined there lives. There were innocent people sent to prison, who fled the country or commited suicide. He attacked the Democrats to make the Republicans look bad and he attacked the State Department because he was getting kickbacks from Taiwan and they hated the governments Asian Experts.

[@NegaRenGenX2gay2lift]

the 1940s and 50s were so unpolorizing that we had sepreate racial societies south of the Mason-Dixson line. (refering to segergation)

[@Friendlybot9000]

@@vorynrosethorn903source:

[@DwRockett]

12:13 “back in the 80’s, literally anyone could become a professional voice actor or opera singer, it was incredibly easy. Look at the historical documentary ‘The Simpsons’ to get an accurate sense about the process of becoming one, and also what real life was truly like in the United States at that time ”

[@dulonkk]

I’m from the United States and I also have a degree in history, only a Bachelor’s degree but still a degree nonetheless, and these pseudo history channels that make “alt history” content delegitimize our field. When someone says that the first thing they think about incels is that they’d make good “foot soldiers in my war band” then you can tell that this person is a genuine lunatic. That was around 21:20 if you want to hear the lunacy. From this video, what I can clearly say is that WhatIfAltHist does not have an understanding of conservative American values, liberal American values, nor an understanding of left-wing politics. He doesn’t actually understand what these groups want nor how they operate within American or global politics. It’s like his understanding of politics is from Victoria 2. He is also woefully ignorant of German and Japanese persecution of their own citizens for either being ethnic or religious minorities or political minorities. Japanese communists for example were infamously arrested, their party was banned, and were forced to convert to more nationalistic politics or rot in jail (Peace Preservation Law). And this was in the twilight years of the Taisho era, the most tolerant era of pre-war Japanese politics. Around 31:26 I was in intensive pain listening to him speak on what Germany and Japan supposedly didn’t do to their compatriots. How ignorant can someone be? I’ve never watched your content prior to this, but we are in agreement: this guy wrote an incel manifesto and masked it as an “alt-history” video. He not only used history in a completely ignorant fashion, but I’d go as far as saying that his application of political science was profoundly flawed and dangerous. Does he seriously think that billionaires are going to support those who seek to regulate or even redistribute their capital? Billionaires serve their own interests through corporate lobbying and playing the system in this country, and in this hypothetical scenario in the original video, they’d likely fight on their own side to secure their own interests: money and capital. He used wojaks in his video unironically too. The only thing which WIAH even said which I could remotely agree with, granted I was skipping through this video because hearing his points (not yours) was degrading, was that the Marxist view of history was influenced by the idea of survival, and this is something which I’ve seen reflected in Marxist historiography and is self-evident in communist-influenced ideologies like Maoism or Juche; those ideologies and their importance of self-reliance do reflect the Marxism and the theme of survival. Normally I’d cite sources but I’m typing on a phone and I’m bedridden so I do apologize, though I don’t think I’m saying anything ground breaking enough to where I’d need to cite anyways. Speaking of citations though, and history/historiography in general, I seriously wonder if this guy studied it in any academic setting beyond secondary school. Maybe? But if so, I don’t understand how he could study history in a college setting and still come to the conclusions that he comes to in complete absence of critical thought. It’s just silly to me that there’s someone out here like this who is spitting on our degrees and the reputation of historians from my country. Anyways, if you ever read this comment OP, I enjoyed what you had to say. I enjoyed your video, but if I made the video, I would’ve taken a more source-based argumentative approach to disproving WIAH’s claims. Yes, you had sources listed in your description and no, you are not wrong nor am I disagreeing with your conclusions, but I would’ve used more sources and especially secondary sources from academic journals, specifically because of the claims which WIAH made about American academia pushing certain narratives. Your video was more like it was laughing at a lolcow than anything, even though you did excellently argue your points. I just would’ve made a different style of video. Regardless, thanks for publishing this video, and I hope you read my thoughts. Not all Americans are like WhatIfAltHist.

[@15Monkes]

To answer one of your questions, I believe WIAH has stated that he dropped put of college, that “academia is corrupted” (by the liberal elite, or course), and I believe (but can’t remember exactly, so take this with a grain of salt) that he has said something along the lines of not reading modern literature and preferring things from decades ago because, again, academia is corrupt and modern works are an extension of that.

[@the25thprime]

As a physicist masters imagine how I feel when people think they can jump realities

[@the25thprime]

Thank you for your comments

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

I'm going to subscribe to you just in case you do make this video, because it sounds like it would have a lot of stuff I'd love to sink my teeth into.

[@inkandesk]

“you don’t even have to use any of these methods, necessarily” -pull out pilled fredda

[@jakestammers]

I remember he once stated that Jews in Europe chose to get into banking and finance around 1000 + years ago (can't remember exactly when) to stop being victimised. When in reality they were forced to by Christians into it because lending money was ungodly/sinful, I realised at that point he was talking utter horse manure.

[@daanstrik4293]

If I remember correctly the jews weren’t so much forced into banking as them seeing an oppertunity. The problem is that banks have a lot of money. When a king wants to go to war he needs a lot of money. So he “lends” some from the bank. Now he has a debt. But the king decides: what if… he doesn’t. So he kicks out the jews to whom he owes a debt. This gets even more fucky when the bankers weren’t allowed to refuse lending money to the crown. So banks were a quick but risky way to get rich exclusively available to those willing to sin or those of other religions. And it was really convenient for any kings

[@jefferymoore9938]

This is such a surface level understanding of sociological, political, and historical concepts it's almost comical lol. Also if a civil war did break out in the US, extremely unlikely in my opinion for a multitude of reasons but i'll humor the idea, it wouldn't be "red vs. blue", there would be dozens if not hundreds of different factions. Just look at the Libyan or Syrian Civil wars. A much more likely doomsday scenario for the US than a second civil war in my opinion would be the establishment of an authoritarian dictatorship propped by the military, centrists politicians and capitalistic powers that be in the name of "stability", a la Germany in the 1930s or Russia in the 1990s.

[@epicfortnitedub]

Excactly, dont get me wrong whatifalthist is one of my favorite youtubers but this video showed his bias, no accounts of right wing disunity are shown here, i live with some radical right wing roomates and they can become very dense when they believe they are right, similar to how left wing people are shown as. Right wingers dont shoot down people who have different ideas than them but in older generations they choose to ignore and work without them, in my opinion, the left has a great way of spreading ideas and making sub-par leaders, however, leaders none the less. The right has military generals but the young soldiers that will decide the victor can swing a lot, our generation (gen z and y) are soft and may land in the hands of the left for their ideas on equality if they ease up on their decentors.

[@FreddaYT]

Exactly! I mentioned how you HAVE to look at maps of contemporary civil wars. There's no orderly map painting going on. It's key areas being held by multiple factions, and messy urban fighting where the battle lines might come down to city blocks. I think the bonus march of 1932 or the business plot of 1933 were two moments that could be looked at as possible alt-history civil war breakouts. The former of course being a situation in which you'd have a left-wing military-led revolutionary vanguard.

[@jefferymoore9938]

@@FreddaYT Very interesting how both of those scenarios involve Smedley Butler as well lol. I would add in the race riots of the 1960s as a potential branching off point. I could see that spiraling into a civil conflict, granted it would be much more akin to race war than a normal civil war with opposing political factions.

[@FreddaYT]

@@jefferymoore9938 You could also have had a brief conflict should Nixon have refused to resign ahead of his immininent impeachment after Watergate. Nothing that would resemble a conventional war, but civil wars rarely do.

[@nobodyherepal3292]

@@FreddaYT I never understood how anyone planning the business plot could ever think it would work. How were 50,000 (ish) WW1 Vest ever going to pacify a nation of nearly 100 million People who’s long standing democracy was just taken away? Who ever thought this plan through was a absolute idiot.

[@isimerias]

Clearly he’s just a kid that was alienated by his family for being a freak and ran with it cus his feelings hurt

[@tisajokt7676]

Probably hits the nail on the head, unfortunately 😬

[@cocopuffforlife3917]

damn? are we hating on the mentally disabled now? i could have sworn that ableism was a righty thing but whatever

[@tammy5466]

@@cocopuffforlife3917literally who said anything about disabled people?

[@Ncaron531]

​@@cocopuffforlife3917the only thing they said was that they were a freak, if you think disabled people are freaks then you are doing the ableism

[@fulcrum2951]

​@cocopuffforlife3917 basically calling mentally disabled freaks eh?

[@Emymagdalena]

He just sounds so young, I want to be kind and believe he just hasn’t studied enough and is basing a lot of his theories just from growing up in a certain environment. But it really did get scary at the end as the manifesto was coming out

[@the25thprime]

If he’s my age 23, then he can be a grown up if I can have two degrees and perform 4~ research for academic journals he can learn common sense and basic knowledge regarding the country we live in. It’s laughable pathetic. As a woman I can’t help but be livid more. Maybe it’s because I saw his video first with no opposers and only people echoing in the comments. Trust me, it was pretty disturbing

[@MrOuija-rr8kq]

Dude the list of left vs right is mind blowing to me.

[@jmgonzales7701]

is right wing inherently bad?

[@gonzoengineering4894]

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[@rithvikmuthyalapati9754]

@@jmgonzales7701 Yes

[@enider]

@@jmgonzales7701 No, but according to Whatifalthist all fo them will have heart attacks at 45

[@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527]

@@jmgonzales7701according to Whatifalthist the right wing is compromised by rapists with clogged arteries

[@oxjmanxo]

With all his talk about sexually frustrated men being so dangerous I wonder if he knows that there is a method to release that frustration without a partner. 😂

[@pavelandreev4727]

I don't think he even understands where the frustration comes from. It's a pressure from the patriarchal system that tells them that they should get mates or else they're not worth it. The sweet release of ... you know, wouldn't help in their situation, I think. Works for me, I've been alone for 6 years now and not really looking for a partner, therefor no frustration but mas... oops, sorry 😂😂😂

[@2FadeMusic]

@@pavelandreev4727 So when left-wing people constantly say incel or virgin or you've never touched a woman as insults, to people they know literally nothing about, are they enforcing the patriarchal system? I'm left wing btw before you make a million assumptions about me lol

[@pavelandreev4727]

@@2FadeMusic Well, I think so, yes, although I don't think it's a conscious process. (and I wouldn't make assumptions for you or anyone, why would you assume that I would lol). Left or right there are a lot of people that spew insults for no particular reason than to just shout at each other. I've never found that particularly constructive, if at all. But that's the internet for you, shouting seems to be the most common way of communication (if you can call it that).

[@albusnightspring8057]

​@@2FadeMusic exactly

[@vorynrosethorn903]

This is part of the problem, the frustration is not having family or social connections, sexual frustration is volatile but ultimately a lot less dangerous as it doesn't care about political or social change. There have been historically polygamous societies, social strife and violent destabilization by unmarried men was a considerable problem, many of the civil wars in China were fought by this segment of the population, these are some of the bloodiest wars in history.

[@Mackerdaymia]

Scary how much the fake culture war can warp people's perspectives so much. The guy mistakenly blends his subjective cultural ideas into real politics and history. The point about his quasi materialism is great by the way - and very telling. You often hear those on the "political right" in the US (whatever that actually means) talk about the world in terms of materialism but then fail to make the marxist next step and end up believing that our material existence is a result of strange ethnic, cultural, national or gender based phenomena. To then smear their opponents on "the left" as proponents of "identity politics". Honey, modern capitalism is by design atomising the market and turning everything into a consumer product, including "culture" and politics, making us tribal against each other without realising the actual barrier to our material advancement is the system itself.

[@djriqky9581]

Beautifully put comrade

[@djriqky9581]

I see so many in my friends and family who frame leftism as "Identity politics". LGBTQ or black lives matter liberal tailists. Orgs that want "reform" and "social democracy", anarchists and "maoists" that refuse to work together and support imperialism and are imperialism compatible, just like the internationale in WW1 before supporting their own nations imperialist wars and the zimmerwalld anti war split. I am grateful for those few orgs that still support whatever and whoever stands up to US and European hegemony

[@EvansKeita-we2yv]

Try it and see how it works maybe we'll end up like russia, Venezuela or Cuba completely good countries to live in.😂😂😂😂

[@Anergyne]

This feels like a high schooler's presentation on why fascism isn't just good but also inevitable.

[@cephalonbob15]

whatifalthist is truly the embodiment of : "who let bro cook?"

[@cruznix4741]

I wonder if my man’s analysis accounts for rebellious provinces automatically spawning with full stacks of tier 3 heavy infantry

[@FreddaYT]

Or the inevitable Jacobin rebels the size of your entire standing army

[@hedgehog3180]

@@FreddaYT Fucking Anarcho-Liberals ruining my attempt to turn to communist so I can get a planned economy.

[@fredsifyable]

The dude is in his early 20's and talks like he's found the ultimate truth. To be honest his videos are entertaining, that's about it. I don't think snyone else really tskes him seriousley either. It's just listening to someone solidifying their personality right before our eyes.

[@noone-os5pj]

You're right; but i'll also counter with that you've spelled every single word in that comment wrong 🤓

[@kitkatsinAlaska]

he sounds like ben shapiro

[@JoshSweetvale]

He's a receptacle for demagogue bunk. He's the ass burger, catalyzed from all their product.

[@iamsiley]

The fact he put "consent is very important" on leftist's way of life and not on right-winger's way of life should tell you all you need to know. Also his art section is absolute lunacy. He is talking about political art in leftists, and non-political art in right wingers, to purposefully make leftists look more extreme.

[@therealbs2000]

Your take on the art is nonsense. It is not a political art of the left v non political art of the right dichotomy. And this creator seems not to have even remedial knowledge of art or art history.

[@therealbs2000]

Furthermore, the "consent is very important" issue is about consent as it has evolved in modern discourse smh So yes, for conservatives the consent issue is not an issue in the first place because the consent is tacitly secured long before through relationship building before they even get to the point where this "consent" issue even arises.

[@JoshSweetvale]

No ​@@therealbs2000

[@concordolindavdd]

my boy made a great analysis of capitalism and how it is doomed to fail using materialism, and blames everything else but capitalism. This is a great example of how dominant ideology prevent even the most critical thinkers of getting in the root of the problem

[@Blargle42069]

Apologies for commenting but RIGHTTTTTTT OH MY GOD, HE WAS SO CLOSE.

[@AD-dg3zz]

It's so painful to see how close he was to actually identifying the real issues, over and over again. A lot of men these days are lonely, sexually frustrated, and lacking purpose in life? It couldn't be because they were groomed by our patriarchal culture into having toxic and unrealistic expectations about life and taught almost nothing about how to deal with their feelings and frustrations in healthy ways... it's women's fault for not wanting to be their submissive, sexually available trad wives anymore.

[@circleinforthecube5170]

@@AD-dg3zz also that men's friendships in groups they seem to be more closed about their emotions, men need to be more emotionally available for eachother

[@shimrrashai-rc8fq]

It's like a comment I read where someone commented that what all the right wing "conspiracy theorist" crowd keep missing is that what they attribute to demons and aliens and "NWO" and whatever is actually capital doing its thing.

[@catrielmarignaclionti4518]

@@circleinforthecube5170 wich is quite literally a symptom of pratiarchy and the idea that men are supposed to not cry ever