Why Whatifalthist is a Failed Historian: Debunking his WEIRD Communism Video

[@FreddaYT]

Leftoids: There will probably be Marxist texts I could have referenced, I am already pushing the limits of the description character count, the video is 37 minutes long, and I have severe doubts that Whatifalthist has read or formulated his arguments on the basis of the words of Lenin, Bordiga, Gonzalo, Mao or any others. I'm focusing on the bare essentials here. This is also not a Marxism theory video. I am saying this pre-emptively because as you and I both know leftoids (you and me) are the most annoying people on the planet.

[@josemaria8177]

Lenin? Bordiga? Gonzalo? Mao? No Hoxha? No Marchais? Where's Bukharin and Plekhanov? So much revisionism! Deeply unserious analysis (just a joke If it wasn't clear)

[@padstah3747]

Bordiga would have debunked whatifalthist just like you if he was alive today 💯

[@okofreak01]

I'd love to see a guide on how to do this yourself without doing a degree if that's even possible haha

[@Minezanians]

Literally no letters from Engels we need to CANCEL this guy

[@Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation]

No one hates leftists more than other leftists, somehow

[@michaelramon2411]

Whatifalthist's invocation of John Lennon's "Imagine" indicates that he is analyzing Marksist-Lennonism, not Marxist-Leninism. Big difference.

[@JinStreams]

I personally prefer Mccarthy-Lenninism. /j

[@prosopro3146]

So true

[@Drakonian-gz2nq]

Bro he actually admited in one of his videos that he dosen't re-read his sources because he has "photographic memory" and can remember everything from the top of his head. Like wtf.

[@FreddaYT]

oh no

[@justanotherjohn5905]

Which video was that?

[@Drakonian-gz2nq]

@@justanotherjohn5905 I can't remember the title but it's old video, it's one of his regular videos, maybe one of his predictions? Sorry i really don't remember the title.

[@Deschutron]

Imagine trying to write a citation list when you have a memory like that. It'd be so easy.

[@Drakonian-gz2nq]

​@@justanotherjohn5905 I REMEMBERED IT I THINK IT'S ON ONE OF HIS PREDICTIONS VIDEO FROM 2020, LIKE THE VIDEO WAS POSTED IN 2020 AND IT WAS FOR 2030 OR SOMETHING

[@intellectually_lazy]

these social darwinism proponents always overlook the fact that cooperation is also an extremely effective survival strategy

[@luizpaulosantosribeiro9005]

Yes, but usually not helping everyone. A very important point in darwinism is that your success rate matter in relation to others, your group may get get an edge over other groups by cooperating, but if being an asshole give you an edge over people in your group, the asshole is also being selected for. That's why you usually see cooperation limited in scope (kin group) or have safe guards against freeloaders that don't help the group.

[@caseysev7111]

@@luizpaulosantosribeiro9005 , Oscar Wilde's The Soul Of Man Under Socialism might be up your alley. Whether you agree or disagree, the point of these exercises is to produce a dialogue. If not, then they are just fandoms versus fandoms, nerds vs nerds, the fitting fate of a politics not having any actual implications on the real world.

[@ragalyiakos]

​@@luizpaulosantosribeiro9005While this is theoretically true, it doesn't hold up in practice. Animals that evolved cooperation also have means of getting rid of "assholes", usually very quickly so. And aggressive animal is going to accomplish nothing except anger everyone else to the point they chase him off, because that aggression might give him an edge over ONE of his species, but nothing would ever give you an edge over a pack of them. Also, there are examples of cooperation being not only NOT limited to just kin, but happening between entire species. The most famous example of this is coyotes and badgers hunting together.

[@luizpaulosantosribeiro9005]

@@ragalyiakos that's exactly my point. You if you are setting up a system of cooperation, you need to put safe guards in place.

[@intellectually_lazy]

@@luizpaulosantosribeiro9005 fair enough. both are effective strategies, and not mutually exclusive. that was my point. social darwinists tend to frame it only as a war of all against all forgetting there are many strategies

[@Asrahn]

"Left hemisphere world view" just gave every psychology professor I've ever had a collective aneurysm, and we're not even through the intro portion.

[@coolsenjoyer]

Too bad east isn't on the left side of the maps, it would've really completed his world view

[@leowilliamson1573]

​@@coolsenjoyerMaybe if we split the world map down by the Urals and focused it on the Americas for no reason like a really weird version of the Axis and Allies map.

[@redmaidenren]

@@coolsenjoyer Low-key he would actually cite that if it were

[@NoFuqinIdea]

The fact that he called himself a "professional intellectual" always cracks me up.

[@christian2i]

And then he implied he is also one of those leader personalities

[@cantdebunkthetruth]

I used to watch his alt hist videos because they were interesting. Now his channel is him sucking himself off all the time. He's insufferable, and every video shows he really doesn't know what he's talking about.

[@noobrat]

Professional Smart Boy

[@k.i.l.l.7935]

dont be such a dick man.

[@TamiSiren]

It is anyway quite what he is. Not meaning that he was right, but anyway.

[@saltyc]

His claim that women are not competitive only confirms that he's never had a girlfriend.

[@kinhamid9665]

I heard the mic thud from across the world

[@hazat8123]

Bro woke up and chose violence

[@SOULAANI_]

@My-cat-is-staring-at-younaw even mothers have a competitive side. This just showcases the amount of brain rot he has

[@fufy3820]

his point is that women on average are less competitive than men, which is biologically true, due to hormone composition.

[@scapeagoat2520]

⁠@@fufy3820Too bad he never states his point well

[@vaporcranberries]

I like how Whatifalthist's video descends into madness about left hand magic and left hemisphere thought.

[@FreddaYT]

To be fair to him that was one of the better parts of the video because it was actually funny. I don't know how to articulate it well, but I think the parts of the video where he's saying absolutely insane stuff are the best ones.

[@the_roman_emperor_fisheater]

​@@FreddaYTyeah I used to be a hard down communist until I realised just how fucked up most other communists are and the stupid ate even the most slight left things can get so I searched for a left thing that no one has ever heard of that I agree with it was nice watching this video that showed that communism wasn't just a dictatorship not was it utopia

[@fartsfartington9019]

"Fuckin magnets, how do they work?!" -Whatifalthist

[@Malachite7]

@@the_roman_emperor_fisheater are you replying to something specific here? Or are you just appreciating the video's reasonable stances? I'm not sure what communists youve met that you think are fucked up (im assuming tankies) but I think there are plenty that you'd find as reasonable Fredda. Communism is a wide umbrella term- good luck on your search.

[@Mr.Monacle]

Best part, he was fully wrong about left hand magic lol. It's basically just the power of positive thinking, you draw power from within yourself, not other people. Just buck wild that he fucked that up.

[@davidtaylor142]

Did he really say "communists never talk about how capital is produced"? What does he think communism even is?

[@leowilliamson1573]

Surprisingly little of right-wing thought even addresses the basic criticisms Marxism has towards capitalism and create something out of thin air to argue with instead. You'd think if you were crafting propaganda, you would at least want to convey the basic counterpoints down so that when someone listens to a shallow attempt to exposit it, their beliefs will just be reinforced instead of immediately dismantled by observing the obviousness of the lies, but apparently not.

[@robopope7584]

This is so funny. Communists, famously known for NOT critiquing the means by which capital is extracted as one of their core rejections of capitalism.

[@dango6266]

Left handed magic religious crusaders apparently

[@SpoopySquid]

One of the foundational texts of orthodox Marxism is three volumes of exactly that lmao

[@valian8985]

bullshit ?

[@huckthatdish]

“Communism if when you do left hand path magic.” - Karl “Alister Crowley” Marx

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

So trve we need to retvrn to MASCVLINE PENIS WORSHIP

[@russman3787]

No, it was John Lennon (the famous communist thinker) who said that, everyone knows that.

[@EinFelsbrocken]

Im cracking up 😂

[@the25thprime]

Schizoid connections to sound…….. poetic?

[@the25thprime]

His I mean 😂😂😂😂 urs is funny ash

[@szymonmajer8377]

Did...did....did he tried to own the communism thru some hate on left handed people?

[@myri_the_weirdo]

Left handed rise up

[@Reaverisgrovy]

I heard him say left hand magic, which is a way to categorize methods of like folk/ritual magic. Last Podcast did a good episode explaining this

[@gahelo]

​@@Reaverisgrovyso a esoteric idiot thing?

[@mrtrollnator123]

​@@Reaverisgrovy"left hand magic" when I heard him say that I passed out 💀💀💀💀💀

[@mogscugg2639]

You know.he wants to talk about a certain ethnoreligion from the Levant so bad

[@DissentingDogLevi]

Ill give whatifalthist one thing. His videos get my brain working. Every crazy or weird thing he says activates a critical mechanism. Not many right wing content makers can do that.

[@jrny8922]

From what I can tell he's in the mild of the political line being a centrist.

[@coopergates9680]

Had a taste of Actual Justice Warrior or News for Reasonable People? What's crazy is that lately I found a Candace Owens video where I agreed with her a lot.

[@christian2i]

​@@coopergates9680which

[@vovac8915]

Not many? Said the one who, as a left-winger out of reflex can only answer with bs about racism, "sexism" and oppression.

[@ChaffyExpert]

@@jrny8922 everyone right of Stalin is right wing to these people.

[@Farmboy_Habibi]

I literally laughed out loud when he made his leap from "LEFT hand magic" to "LEFTism" literal pothead take

[@yumekyn6283]

HJAHAJ same, elementary school level of correlation

[@ketaminepoptarts]

a real "works cited: crack pipe" moment

[@thaDjMauz]

Dont do potheads dirty like that

[@deeznoots6241]

Lmao what an idiot. The left-right political alignment comes from the French revolution and specifically which side of an assembly people congregated.

[@anitheproto]

hey man thats mean to potheads! i smoke weed all the time and im not some right wing moron!!

[@russelljackson2818]

Holy fuck this dude is a living, breathing Dunning-Kruger effect. Just straight up believes whatever falls out of his skull is gold.

[@alexanderhouston7561]

Omg you read my mind. It's simultaneously super funny and incredibly frustrating that this idiot has an audience

[@thepimptastic2]

Dunning-Kruger says you? Rofl...

[@deathdealer312]

@@thepimptastic2 just because he spouts bs that you agree with since you're just as dumb as he his doesnt make him a good historian.

[@StephenSkinner-y1c]

Whatifalthist has been accused by the left of being from the extreme right, being irrational, being religiously biased or of suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect, usually with no evidence of any kind. If you think you have a case against his opinions, then at least briefly state your case. The problem with those on the left, probably most of the people who will read this comment, is you are prone to being intellectually lazy, so simply make an ad hominem attack instead of addressing the issues. Such attacks will never change the opinion of those that think Whatifalthist is correct, they are made for other leftists to read and give a thumbs up. Ad hominem attacks are simply a form of virtue signaling.

[@jameswilkerson4412]

This particular page, or who he’s critiquing?

[@something1600]

I wonder what he would say if he did "Understanding Anarcho-communism." Probably would use Legend of Korra as a source.

[@antigonos3012]

He would never watch Legend of Korra.

[@something1600]

@@antigonos3012 Yeah, probably would make an incel rant about it before getting to book 3.

[@tst2363]

"You will be equalized"

[@something1600]

@@tst2363 "The natural order is disorder."- Zaheer.

[@Natpad_027]

"You see anarcho communism is flawed because they want to kill the avatar and something something women belong in the kitchen"

[@Metal_Maoist]

I'd argue that there might be a disproportionate amount of jewish communists, but not because of any sort of "uniquely jewish mindset" or whatever. It's the same reason there's a lot of queer communists: If you're part of a group that's especially disadvantaged by society, you're obviously going to seek out political ideologies that seek to fundamentally change that society.

[@burninsherman1037]

Exactly! When you're being demonized, and beaten down by a political and economic system, it's far easier to see its flaws. I'm a communist because I don't want anyone who comes after me to go through the shit I have, and sure as shit don't want them to have to suffer through the shit generations past had to deal with.

[@unexpected2475]

Or queer leftists in general, I suppose to add to your last point. If one group is generally hostile to you, you're probably going to move to the opposite end of the spectrum to try and challenge them.

[@drpastormartinssempa8994]

Used to believe that but after examining abrahmic scriptures you can see some inspiration.

[@Victurio]

I think that is indeed an element, but at the risk of a gross generalization, the jewish (religious) education has a higher (in comparison to other religious schools or even the secular public schools) focused on debating and some parts of the talmud are basically a compilation of logic discussions akin to plato's works, so I would guess it is both this exclusion that leads to a desire to be un-opressed and a "culture of debate" that leads to at least a more skeptical outlook on what is given as facts by the conservative status quo. That is why I think some of the most important jewish intellectuals came from Rabbi families, and - I'm making some pure speculation here- if they retained a fraction of this intellectual engagement in the education of their children it is most natural to have free thinking people (not essentially left-wing, of course)

[@heilodin1]

Disadvantage of jews in society is a myth. They are and were mostly in well paid and influential jobs.

[@MCArt25]

Can you be a failed historian if you never even tried in the first place?

[@ostrichhe4d]

Do you really consider his videos to an example of trying.

[@jlc5639]

@@ostrichhe4d I'm pretty sure OP was implying that whatifaltist hadn't tried

[@tancreddehauteville764]

True, but you can be an idiot all the same.

[@guidotron82]

Tbf not trying is just a speed run of failure.

[@snoopie2253]

"Lots of pretty girls in Torah school" is the most batshit crazy thing I've ever read

[@Rum-Runner]

Jesus Christ I lost my absolute shit when I read that

[@mohamedmedhat2436]

Ben Shapiro's sister, need I say more

[@RickJaeger]

No, but you need to say less, actually.

[@davidegaruti2582]

honestly the crazy aspect is how deliberate that was : it wasn't an half sentence blurted out during an inebriated stream , he legit edited the video and tought : hey you know what's missing ? a full page rant about my thinly veiled fetish , i'll make it an image filled with text and put it here ... wich is like ... bruh , he really thought it was ok ?

[@f-86zoomer37]

He ain't wrong tho

[@Cresium]

Critiquing Marx while not reading his works. What a classic.

[@olindblo]

Just following in the footsteps of his heroes.

[@fufy3820]

You don't need to read his works to see that the effects of his beliefs has been negative

[@digaddog6099]

​@@fufy3820I'd wager that most of the issues that arise from communist regimes came from the points in which later writers disagreed with marx. I'm pretty sure the idea that we need a one party state before democracy came from Lenin, not Marx, and that's bound to cause a fair share of troubles.

[@blastermaster5039]

​@@digaddog6099 Our specific communism is not yet done right, comrade! 😂

[@fufy3820]

@@digaddog6099 Marx's ideology in itself is bad. Religion is not a tool to hold down the poor, it's a tool to uplift and provide social mobility to the poor. Kings and nobles are meant to provide for their people, not extract wealth from their people. They have a moral responsibility to uphold their prerogative backed by the absolute power of the church and the dissenting masses to punish them if they fail in their duty to their people. In other words, Marxism lies in a fundamental misunderstanding of feudal society and absolute monarchies. The very act of reducing the power of the church was what led to things like robber barons and absolute monarchies with no counterbalances whatsoever.

[@lukabosanac2671]

He isn't a "failed" historian, since he never was a historian in the first place.

[@insertnamehere1258]

Attempted historian at best

[@ehtresih9540]

History channel historian at best, and even then thats reaching

[@2masterofpuppets2]

He's VERY young lol

[@gahelo]

​@@2masterofpuppets2and yet he reject most recent works

[@takeonedaily]

@@insertnamehere1258 Hypothetical Historian

[@Menow111]

I love how it didn’t even take him that long to get to the “communism is the reason I can’t get laid”

[@dafyddroff8084]

Followed by him talking about the 'tyranny of the dating market' Whatifalthist upholding Marxism-Leninism-Rodgersism

[@Steven-ly9ei]

Confirmed, whatifalthist if officially a tate-ist 😂

[@lesternomo6578]

i read this before i started the video and i could never have guessed it was so early 😭

[@ohiobumass]

"Communism is when no bitches to the capitalists." - Karl Marx.

[@kaletovhangar]

​@@ohiobumass🤣

[@Ezete99]

1:26 I like that he says "left wing politics, left hand magic and left hemisphere" when the left hand is controlled by the right hemisphere LOL, he not only fails at history but also at biology. Not surprising tbh.

[@iotaayushshrivastava114]

Even prager U kind of talks around these points, the left is to be left and why the right is right. I mean when kids are watching these videos sure lolipop candies names and 👶🏻concepts

[@saltyc]

This didn't go unnoticed by me either. 😂

[@olenickel6013]

my communist neurologist ass shortcircuited at this

[@jeremyneville6530]

That’s not what left hand magic(k) refers to.

[@kobinho1917]

He’s right brained lol

[@James-cq2bj]

Franz Kafka and Karl Marx: society is not good, it should be reformed Whatifalthist: Wow Secular Jews bad

[@thorpeaaron1110]

That's not what they wanted

[@Cortov]

@@thorpeaaron1110 Depends on what you mean by reformed

[@thelocalcrusader9522]

If there's one thing I know about Marx it's that he is entirely anti religion

[@thorpeaaron1110]

​@@CortovMarx was a loser

[@manicallydepressedclown8064]

@@thorpeaaron1110thanks dude with the pinochet pfp lmao

[@madeline6951]

"communists don't think about how money is produced" That's literally one of the first things Marx covers in Das Kapital 😭😭😭

[@thebiggestcheems]

hes also wrong anyway, i think about it all the time. and im a form of communist (avoiding specifics to not start an argument).

[@madeline6951]

@@thebiggestcheems I mean, yeah. Most people, that start thinking in more leftist terms, come to these conclusions, because they themselves produce value and don't feel enough compensation. It's natural to investigate how their labor relates to value and money. Whatifalthist is just fighting his own stereotypes, not any real positions.

[@historiamilitaris5161]

Marx was so based wasn’t he?

[@Godzillahistoryfan34]

@@historiamilitaris5161I do not think he would like the communism that was implemented

[@adamelghalmi9771]

@@historiamilitaris5161 even if he did make a lotta good, he was a d1 gooner

[@SunflowerSocialist]

My head just about near exploded when WIAH said that workers “rioted against the 8 hour day”. Like, has this guy never heard of the Haymarket Affair? It’s a pretty famous event in history and it’s where workers rioted FOR an 8 hour day. I learned about that in 7th grade! I spent four years getting a history degree and focusing my studies on labor history, but even someone with a passing knowledge of history knows that the 8 hour day was a big fight by workers. It’s like the single most famous accomplishment of the labor movement!

[@seanhartnett79]

Yep.

[@ramblingsofadash5159]

NO. This is no where near common knowledge. It is not taught in most schools. My High School education on the late 1800s and early 1900s was that it was the greatest time in American History and that the MAGA movement is/should be advocating to go back to those times or the 1950s. It is not where near common knowledge let alone a "passing knowledge" of history. I only know this because I was a socialist during my high school years and loved history. I was taught nothing of the Labor movement except that they were the enemy and the problem of society. This was in 2015 and 2017 in Northeast Mississippi. BTW it took till college for someone to flat out say "Black people are better off Free".

[@yourmomgay874]

@@ramblingsofadash5159 wtfff i live in texas and we were taught abt the labour movement

[@gavinmoody5678]

@@ramblingsofadash5159 wow that's really terrible man. I graduated from an east Tennessee high-school in 08 and we learned about the labor movement but when it came to the civil war half my history teachers said "states rights" and other half slavery.

[@ramblingsofadash5159]

Can say as a person who went to both Tennessee and Mississippi school that Tennessee is far better yet far below what they need to be. A big problem during my high school times was Alt-Right and Q Anon was taking off so we had em in class and the teacher would let them preach since the teachers knew they would get in trouble for saying it. I got in trouble for getting mad and saying shooting people in the back was wrong while a guy who literally said "Hitler wasn't all bad" when being told gays also died in the gas chambers. I'm so glad I skipped the last 1/3 of my high school classes since I have had to unlearn so much of what I learned in that school.@@gavinmoody5678

[@Man-of-Steel674]

This guy (Whatifalthist) was in dire need of somebody that would regularly debunk his outlandish claims. So Thank you.

[@getahorsetostickittoputin]

He needs to spend less time on /pol and chill and enjoy life a little

[@p00bix]

It's also a huge bonus that the guy doing the debunking is an honest to God degree-carrying field-experienced Historian who discusses History as an evolving field of science. FreddaYT is someone who can keep people from falling for pseudo-history and the people who espouse it WHILE AT THE SAME TIME giving them tools to develop as History Students themselves. "History Buffs" are simultaneously the people most likely to become Historians or History Teachers later in life, as well as the people most vulnerable to falling for pseudointellectual morons like Whatifalthist or Monsieur Z. And this actual historian is out here explaining the importance of proper citation, that History is a field of study not just a list of events, that our current understanding of history is under constant reevaluation, and that old history books--just like any other old nonfiction--are bound to be full of inaccuracies and miss more recently learned information, no matter how smart or influential the author. FreddaYT isn't one of the countless breadtubers that just points and laughs at far-right pseudointellectuals' terrible takes on (History, Politics, Philosophy, Literally Any other Social Science) while themselves not having an especially better understanding than the people they're dunking on. These takedowns of Whatifalthist aren't just an exercise in roasting low-hanging fruit so that the audience can feel smarter. They give viewers vital tools to *actually become* smarter.

[@andrewsmith8715]

Whatifalthist is that homeschooled kid who has never had anyone challenge him intellectually.

[@pampitam]

Whatifalthist claimed that getting an education is useless and that he would only read book written before the 60's because newer ones would be too woke

[@blackknightjack3850]

The problem is he has people who challenge his claims constantly. A lot of them. His ego is just so bloated that it still won't pop.

[@merthsoft]

Wait, did he conflate political leftism, the left-hand-path of magic, and left-brained thinking right out the gate? That's just loony. Immediately worth dismissing.

[@Corium1]

if althist comes out as a flat earther, I'm not gonna be surprised

[@Varkhal218]

​@@marshallreeves6855tries and fails

[@caseysev7111]

@@marshallreeves6855 , massive L

[@xibalbalon8668]

He treats history as some kind of metaphysical magic, he's like a parody of dozens of conservative thinkers

[@error5202]

@@xibalbalon8668 he is basically copying Jordan b Peterson. Perceiving archetypes and pattens in history or myths and implicitly claiming that they are metaphysically true and inescapably the correct way the world should function. Also implicitly, he derives an impossible ‘ought’ from an ‘is’ by claiming we should in a live by the ‘natural’ way.

[@thetaomegatheta]

Ah yes, the esteemed socialist thinker, John Lennon.

[@stephendaley266]

What? You've never heard of a Marxist-Lennonist? They follow the philosophical traditions of Groucho Marx and John Lennon

[@dkoda840]

@@stephendaley266Exactly some people are so uncultured

[@davidmason4244]

The bolsheviks are calling for their outdated ideology back.

[@thetaomegatheta]

@@davidmason4244 An 'outdated' ideology that massively improved standards of living. Meanwhile, a very 'nice' and not-'outdated' system of capitalism has managed to kill more than a million people in Russia alone, and the adoption of which was accompanied with a severe drop in life expectancy during peace time, and under which people are denied housing on the basis of being poor. Shoo, nazi.

[@bromomento1]

He was leftis :p

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

Man, I'm not familiar with Whatifalthist or even with communist ideology particularly, but there's something really funny to me about someone dismissing it on the premise that it's feminine and men are competitive whilst simultaneously continuously whingeing about not being able to get a girlfriend. I'm sorry, do you have some idea that systemic issues should be addressed, that world should be built in a way that works for people? Or just for you, specifically? You're getting outcompeted, get wrecked, L.

[@awso2367]

The funniest part to me in all his videos is when on every map he makes he just calls large portions of the world "savages" for no reason

[@anyoneatall3488]

I guess he thinks EU4 is a historical source

[@Samuelwastaken]

You're right now that I think of it lmao

[@neoqwerty]

@@anyoneatall3488 My native French ass had a small brainfart reading "EU" because that's our version of "USA", I was wondering where "United States 4th Edition" was from for a solid 3 minutes before remembering I'm reading english.

[@thegreatestoctopus9739]

How else do you represent the country of Serbia?

[@ChaffyExpert]

​@@anyoneatall3488I think your projecting, the only people mentioning paradox games are leftists. Same leftists that say paradox communities are overrun with right wingers and fascists despite rarely if ever seeing a single one in communities that consist of communist circle jerks.

[@EDuarteVillanueva]

I love how althist thinks that pre-industrial "traditional" societies were less alienating because he simply likes the romanticized pastoralist vibe, like tons of reactionaries do. I'm sure getting to die in horrific wars over the inheritance of inbred despots, all the horrible disease and being property for the nobility was just peachy. He also appears to have a thing for emperor worship. In contrast to Marx, he points to Marcus Aurelius as a positive example. Mostly because "philosophers monarch = good", nevermind all the slavery or the instability that followed his death.

[@VAWM.]

Or the plagues, civil wars and Germanic wars happened under his reign!

[@andreamarino6010]

And ofc for him "christianity gud", while not being a christian, classic larper. Marcus Aurelius slaughtered christians

[@thecuddlyaddict]

I also simp for many a Roman emperor, but would hate to have them around today. It is important to be able to appreciate the achievements of our ancestors in historical context, whilst also being able to critically analyze their faults through a modern lens and learn from their errors

[@cegesh1459]

Alt hist is a simpelton, influenced by U.S. brainrotting media.

[@KevinJohnson-cv2no]

Commies will always be broke & powerless. Stay mad while I count this check

[@cd9768]

Lenin casts “Magic Missile,” kills entire Romanov family

[@northernpuffer9222]

Bullshit. Lenin only knows how to use pyromancy, and Stalin is a rogue. Clearly Trotsky or Bukharin did the act.

[@InquisitorThomas]

If only Rasputin was there, he could have counterspelled.

[@Old_Harry7]

​@@InquisitorThomasthat's why the killed, haters will say that it was the nobles that did that but we all know it was the commies, Rasputin had a faith build with almost 80 stat points in magic but was speced on vitality he just had the "endure" passive, if only he could've abused the press turn system to come out on top. We will never know.

[@red_isopat]

​@@InquisitorThomasrasputin is a cringe right hand sorcerer while lenin was a left hand gnostic gigachad

[@skitariiranger4346]

​@@InquisitorThomas he probably wouldn't have it prepared, very niche spell list

[@horricule451]

Him trying to connect Left Hand path magic to Leftism is the funniest fucking thing I've heard in a while, funnier then when he quoted Mao imo

[@KickinRadTopHat]

Literally the same type of reactionary dumb guy brain that leads to “the Nazis were socialist, it’s right here in the name!”

[@DumbyDooDoo]

"If we just distributed wealth to the masses, people wouldn't turn to Communism." - Whatifalthist 32:31

[@minestar2247]

Well, this is technically a way to kill communist movements, kinda like in old prussia.

[@vanguard1346]

im literally in tears 🤣, im happy im not the only one, its even worse for me because I am a communist

[@minestar2247]

@@vanguard1346 well, comrade, you won't ask for communism if it's already there, right? So this makes some sense if you think of it a little

[@vanguard1346]

@@minestar2247 I would agree if said Whatifalthist actually knew what communism was lmfao.

[@minestar2247]

@@vanguard1346 true

[@Radjhitoocool]

I love when right wingers complain about socialism and then describe their libertarian future that sounds exactly like a hippy commune but with more Jesus

[@isaiahjgomez1501]

As a conservative libertarian I find this hilarious

[@pavelthefabulous5675]

On one hand I agree that Whatifapeshit makes low quality content, but I have to point out that under most capitalist systems, you are free to form your own communes, kibbutzes, hippie cult compounds, etc. The main objection a conservative has to socialism is that in a commune, you can freely associate with and shun people as you choose. However, under a socialist government, you are stuck with lazy cattle who don't contribute to the system, and only the government can really take action against that. In theory you can have a sort of Leninist system where unemployment is illegal, but in practice I have zero faith in First World Western society to actually go along with that and lay down the law.

[@bigmac1516]

@@pavelthefabulous5675 Your argument makes intuitive sense, but all the data and studies done on welfare and UBI show that even when people don't have to work, they choose to. For what reason we don't really know but it's a combination of social pressure, a desire to be useful (probably an evolutionary thing), and a desire to simply do ANYTHING to alleviate boredom and have a social life. Now we don't know if this would work on a larger scale or over an extended time period, but that's why we need it implemented in a few places so we can study it.

[@Supiragon1998]

​@@bigmac1516Wrong, the Covid stimulus checks were basically an unifficial temporary implementation of UBI, and unemployment was really high, barely anyone worked.

[@AkuraTheAwesome]

​@@Supiragon1998unemployment went up largely because people were being let go, it will happen when stuff like Covid happens because in the US you can usually fire people at will. You can't look at something as complicated as unemployment and tie it to the stimulus check as if it's direct cause and effect. Correlation doesn't necessitate causation.

[@denpadolt9242]

It's honestly hilarious about how WIAH's preachy conclusion about why people need religion in their lives plays nearly PERFECTLY into Marx's whole "opium of the masses" idea. Maybe if he didn't treat any communist works like some kind of forbidden texts, he could've tried to make a point about how Marx was wrong...

[@007kingifrit]

that might be the only thing marx was right about. but then again marx framed it like a bad thing, people do need religion.

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

@@007kingifrit because it is religion as a opium for the ills of reality is as destructive as turning to alcohol in the end

[@popopop984]

@@007kingifritI don’t have religion and I’m pretty fine. I’m anti God if he exists anyway. Dude committed mass genocide on multiple occasions

[@007kingifrit]

@@popopop984 you're probably mentally ill, not going to have kids, and not going to impact the world like most on this comment section, so while you claim to not need god the truth is your life is sad without him

[@wherezthebeef]

and yet, there's Marxist theory vs. reality. Reality is on WIAH's side, he's not right about everything but just look at what Communism has produced as opposed to the ideology and what's it's professed to be, reality vs. fantasy.

[@clement28300yip]

As a college fresh graduate, the inclusion of sources' publishing year makes a huge difference between being an intellectual or a wannabe.

[@populib]

Whatifalthist specifically doesnt use any writings published after ~1950 as source material, since according to him thats when academia got too "woke"

[@neverstopschweiking]

Well, clearly your "education" didn't help you understand the difference between a scientific work and a youtube opinion video. As someone who was born in a fully socialist (100% marxist socialist with no private and only collective means of production) country I look at this comment section and feel like... I guess a jew must feel like this when entering a neonazi rally and watching a lively holocaust denial debate between drunk losers. You western kids are absolutely lost when it comes to knowledge about communist regimes, socialism or the practical applications of the hateful nonsense marx wrote. No knowledge besides what can be found in propaganda posters. Although I must admit, you are all just like marx - born into filthy rich family*, never worked a day in his entire life, lived on charity from others and complaining about the world. *yes, your American "middle class" or "poor" is still filthy rich in vast majority of the world.

[@JericaJeffrey-o4k]

​@@populibthomas sowell is recent? bad source but recent

[@SonoftheWest316]

They don't like to acknowledge Dr. Sowell because then they would have to engage with his uncomfortable facts and evidence.@@JericaJeffrey-o4k

[@AbyssalSoda]

As another college graduate, what I find funny is I have to use multiple left wing sources to create my own points by making their authors interpretations contradict to the point their conclusions are proven to be biased at best or unfounded at worst. People get pissed, but I still get an A because I had to dissect the source at fundamental level. This is especially true when it comes to statistics involving gender pay and abuse, but also for 'less controversial' topics like denying endocrine receptor changes, social media censorship practices, and digital privacy. Modern sources just require more work, but in the end the results are the same if you are willing to put the effort in.

[@anitaibele7743]

In case anyone is interested: Gnosticism refers to several religious movements that were active between 100 and 600 AD. The basic features were: - Absolute division between (worldly) evil and (spiritually) good - Matter is bad and created by evil. Souls are trapped in this evil matter and are supposed to return to God through cleansing rituals - Cleansing rituals and connection with God were treated as secret knowledge. Aka mysticism. Communists very, very rarely teach these strange things. EDIT If you are really looking for an ancient communist religion, choose Mazdakism (Persia 550 AD). This includes: - Abolition of private property - No more nobles and kings - the sharing of women between many men These ideas were so dangerous that, unusually, Persia and the Roman Empire worked together to eradicate this religion

[@tituslucretiuscarus659]

Pretty sure Marx explicitly says that we should overcome Yaldabaoth and return to the pleroma on page 782 of Das Kapital Vol. 3.

[@jichaelmorgan3796]

True, communism has its own wildly unscientific weird metaphysics to deal with. It doesn't need gnosticism on top of it.

[@olindblo]

The link between gnosticism and communism arises *only* when looking at the history of ideas from a perspective that 1.) is organicist in its historiographical mode (a term conveniently borrowed from Hayden White), 2.) places christianity as the centered subject of that organicist history, and 3.) does so for metaphysical reasons rather than historicist. Of course, all three points go fully unacknowledged by whatifalthist, because if they didn't, then he would have even less wiggle room to bend his "sources" to fit his worldview. The only thing connecting gnosticism and communism is that, from that perspective, both gnosticism and communism are peripheral enemies that "seek knowledge" and challenge christianity's position as the true subject and driver of history. To a christian, two enemies are always one and the same enemy. I wouldn't be surprised that if whatifalthist dedicated himself to being a christian proper, he would end up discovering the kind of orthodoxy that is being peddled by western "orthodox" bros in their teens/twenties farming clout on the internet; it fits his idea of christianity as the subject of history the best.

[@tylerbozinovski427]

Figures like James Lindsay and TIKHistory cover the gnostic connection with Marxism a lot better than Whatifalthist does. The fact that even their arguments probably won't convince you of anything is further proof of the very arguments that they make. Deprogramming a Marxist is like trying to get a Christian or a Muslim to renounce their faith.

[@XMysticHerox]

He probably just uses it as the opposite of agnosticism eg believing absolutely in the existance or lack thereof of a god. I suppose in context the is just saying communists just beleive in communism without any room for questioning? Obviously thats still nonsense.

[@alexandercummings2203]

It's pretty funny that the first point he made would be nonsense if the French estates general had a different seating structure.

[@Lucas24997]

He would simply say that communism comes from the right part of the brain and uses rigth hand energy

[@FreddaYT]

To be fair, I think he was just having fun with that entire part of the video. Still did NOT need to be present in a 50-minute video!

[@JamLeGull]

It's very important for the right to demonise Marx, because if conservatives read Marx they will probably find a lot they like about his writing.

[@AbyssalSoda]

I have read Marx's work, I think a decent chunks of his critiques are valid but still wholly disagree with his conclusions and beliefs. I consider him to be a teetering idealist; someone who can identify problems and promote solutions that are inadequate, philosophical or outright dangerous in its distribution.

[@JamLeGull]

@@AbyssalSoda I think this is a worthy criticism, though I am not sure I totally agree. I think the Communist Manifesto is a great work of polemics, but it was not intended to be as prescriptive as it has been understood since its publication.

[@RickJaeger]

I would say the only thing that I actually appreciate is the ethical stuff that arises from the "alienation" from the products of work and thereby from meaning of work. I don't think it's specific to Marx & Engels, but whether or not someone else said it, they said it too, and it's right. There's no natural bottom to how specialized and hollow and frivolous and grueling and boring and obnoxious and meaningless the people in charge will make your jobs, as long as it makes their favorite numbers go up.

[@mattlittleton5137]

@@RickJaeger You must have worked for some terrible people to believe that. On the contrary, I've noticed that the farther I am promoted up in the working world the more caring and understanding I find people to be. People at the bottom are used to dealing with other people that are on the bottom as well and that makes it hard for them to imagine the top and when they do they tend to assume that people are cutthroat and shady like all the others on the bottom including themselves.

[@RickJaeger]

@@mattlittleton5137 I don't know why you thought any of that was worth sharing. Surely you're not so mind numbingly stupid as to think that was a relevant datum to proclaim? That "in your experience" such and such is true, ergo I shouldn't believe what is manifestly true? And that "being personally nice" to someone who got promoted has anything to do with what kind of an employer one is? I mean, were you promoted up through the Stupid Department at Retardation Inc. or something?

[@josemaria8177]

I am equally parts excited and terrified for this video. Excited because it will be lovely seeing someone destroying his awful "arguments". Terrified because I am afraid of what long term exposure to Whatifalthist videos does to a mind

[@something1600]

Don't worry, the effects of exposure to Whatifalthist can be treated by screaming into your bed's pillow out of frustration.

[@AN-jz3kf]

Fredda's mental health is a price I'm willing to pay

[@thespiffyduck]

I have been watching Whatifalthist for a few years now. It is nice to brew a cup of tea and sit down for a few laughs and watch him talk about how bad people with different political views are. One of my favourite examples of his hypocrisy is him blaming boomers for today's society, then blaming gen z in another video.

[@insertnamehere1258]

Salute to Freda for sacrificing his mental health for our entertainment.

[@salutic.7544]

I have, irreparable damage. I’m communist ffs idk y I keep torturing myself by coming back to him

[@lulujuice1]

DID HE JUST SAY HE WANTS TO RETURN TO FEUDALISM???? Jesus Christ!

[@SwedishDrunkard5963]

YAY, NO RIGHTS LOVE THAT SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!

[@something1600]

Yaaaaaayyyyyyyy!

[@mrtrollnator123]

WTF????

[@nerag7459]

Divine right of kings baby!

[@olenickel6013]

Where everyone had his own small plot of land. Except of course those who didn't, but they don't count!

[@iotaayushshrivastava114]

When he said it's left wing politics, left hand magic and left brain hemisphere I lost all credibility for him instantly. Reminded me of when I was a kid making such nonsensical arbitrary joints too, and reminded me another one of his videos.shorts(two maybe?) where he goes off with whatboutism like this. Well such is a developing brain I guess

[@jensphiliphohmann1876]

It's a bit funny that he joins left hemisphere thinking and left-hand magic together, unaware or leaving out the well-known fact that the left hemisphere controls the right hand.

[@dr0g_Oakblood]

@@jensphiliphohmann1876 I was waiting for him to drop that sudden reversal as well, but I guess he's just too drunk on instantly connecting every concept ever affiliated with the word left together into one mega-blob of pure ideology....

[@enzoarayamorales7220]

You know if I followed his line of left vs right logic then I’d come to the fact that the left brain is more logical and the right brain is more emotional, so it’s actually the left that owns the phrase facts don’t care about your feelings according to this logic

[@Dis_Dis]

If he had gone for a few more lines with his everything left vs everything right logic he would've arrived at the conclusion that the people who start with the left Twix are Communists.

[@موسى_7]

​@@enzoarayamorales7220To be honest, Unlearning Economics is an example of that.

[@colonel__klink7548]

"Women aren't competitive" - Whatifalthist My boy... my boy... you've never been anywhere near a woman in your life have you?

[@lesternomo6578]

"women are inherently submissive... just not to me" avg incel conservative

[@aralornwolf3140]

It's not his fault that he mistakes the lack of competition for his affection by women as them not having the capacity to compete!

[@thaDjMauz]

Always just looking yearningly through the impenetrable windows of Torah schook

[@bertrecht913]

Woman are overall not so competitive like Men. That's in fact.

[@colonel__klink7548]

@@bertrecht913 You ever notice how plain and uniform men's clothes are? They also are more cheaply made. Women's clothing options by comparison are a rainbow array and extremely expensive. Now the idiot's first interpretation of this is that it's what girls do to attract men, but the reality is as we have seen men will be attracted to women when they only expose their eyes. No all that fashion is women competing with women. One of the biggest markets in the world is women competing with other women. Not for money, not for power but social position.

[@AlexanderBurgess-xy1oj]

I enjoyed his collaboration with Issac Arthur on the geopolitics of space, but this kinda makes me want to go back and rewatch it more critically.

[@dango6266]

He used to have kinda decent alt history and future history content but I fear he's going down a path I cannot follow

[@chrisgaming9567]

I cut ties with Isaac Arthur because of that collab

[@rustkitty]

He complains about "secularized Jews" and then mentions Albert Einstein as one of the good ones. Even though Einstein was a very secularized man who had to make repeated clarifications that he doesn't believe in a personal god and when he says God he means the universe. (He is often called a pantheist, however pantheism is not a religion by any definition of the word. It's barely a vague spiritual veneer over naturalism.)

[@موسى_7]

And the Arabs say he converted to Islam and went to Hajj...

[@alexandergilbert1023]

Soo... secular?

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

@@alexandergilbert1023 yes Albert Einstein was a secular jew

[@sigmalpha_testostronewolf]

@@موسى_7no we don't? You pulled that out of your ass LOL

[@فلوقاتمتنوعة-ر4و]

@@موسى_7 I am an Arab and no one says this

[@nighteule]

I LOVE that you brought up Einstein's take on socialism. Right-wing commentators always forget that

[@ignatiusjackson235]

My brother cousin Jim Bob sez that Eynstine feller was a big dummy.

[@ishkanark6725]

Jim Bob sez no

[@kgldude]

I can’t wait for Whatifalthist’s review of The Odyssey, which he wrote without ever reading any of Homer’s poems.

[@HER3411]

We can’t let him uncover the sacred texts of Grand Magus Lenin.

[@karlmartin9022]

He wouldn't read them anyway.

[@STaRBG4405]

@@karlmartin9022 Ofcourse he wouldnt..... Its complete garbage

[@richardvlasek2445]

grand magus lenin, the founding member of the shadow wizard money gang

[@kobinho1917]

Left handed Lenin

[@surpriseandterror9698]

People told him to read Lenin, he read Lennon.

[@blackknightjack3850]

Given that Vaush also thought he was the one being referenced when he talked about critique from a communist since he made those same critiques, I think the problem is just that these problems with whatifalthist are so obvious just about everyone has noticed him. And still he tries to pretend they don't exist.

[@FreddaYT]

Also the fact that he didn't cite when it happened and who did it, which is very in-character!

[@CheesyMez]

thank you for this video. Whatifalthist is in general such a weird channel, and he often seems to project his own personal issues through a lens of "historical" or "political" videos, sometimes what he says is just straightup creepy.

[@adrvlogs3262]

Bro you realize that’s what every “historical” or “political” KZbinr does tho right? Across the spectrum that’s how it’s done cause it gets ‘em views baby.

[@CheesyMez]

@@adrvlogs3262 theres a difference between have a political bias, and complaining about having no girlfriend and fitting that into a narrative

[@John_Smith134]

​@@CheesyMezWhen has he complained to not have a girlfriend? Can you cite the video, as well as a time stamp so I can review that moment?

[@bill5627]

​​@@John_Smith134He didn't say it directly but he says a civil war in the USA is going to happen because men aren't having sex enough,like what the hell? I am not from the USA so I wouldn't know but that's not a normal argument even for a rightist.

[@CheesyMez]

@@John_Smith134 i cant be really that bothered to watch a full 40 minute video, but pretty much every video he complains that the current generation doesnt have enough sex, or that the “dating market” is broken, when its clear none of this is true and he just doesnt go outside

[@SM-BSW]

22:42 as a secular Jew who has Holocaust survivors on my mom's side of the family and communist labor organizers (who fled the pogroms) on my dad's side, i think I'm in a unique position to talk about WIAH's weird antisemitic talking points. As with all antisemitic conspiracy theories, there is a grain of truth that gets warped and twisted into a cudgel. While the whole secular bolshevism (and subsequent cultural Marxism) trope is absolutely an antisemitic dog whistle, there are reasons why communism was attractive to some Jews like my grandfather and great grandfather. Most importantly is the concept of "Tikkun olam", which translates to "fixing the world." In the Jewish tradition I was raised in (as the saying goes, two jews, three opinions and Orthodox Jews view tikkun olam differently), Tikkun Olam is synonymous with social justice, and mitigating inequities when possible (Israel is a whole other ball of wax that I'd rather eat glass shards than discuss. See above two Jews three opinions). Speaking truth to power is another important Jewish value. In the United States at least, communists were labor organizers and advocates for workers rights, which falls neatly in line with tikkun olam **and** speaking truth to power.

[@MaksFaks-kl1zj]

That all sounds great and neat my dear friend. Great shame Israeli and US government seem to say otherwise.

[@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45]

Not to mention the Bolsheviks opposed the antisemitic policies of the Russian Empire. Imagine my shock when a lot of Jews join a group that promises to stop the persecution of Jews (regardless of whether those promises were ultimately fulfilled or not)

[@alonsolaw8380]

To suggest that all secular jews are communists is ANTI SEMETIC HATRED

[@mrmarcowar237]

Whatifalthist: Latest victim of Communism

[@pissfather6798]

whatifalthist and his brain have been the latest victim of the crackpipe

[@Moved506]

For as much as the right complains about liberal snowflakes, they seem to try and make themselves victims most of the time.

[@thesecondsilvereich7828]

Communism is like food sometimes you don't get it

[@Pabloto-dq3sx]

@@thesecondsilvereich7828...wait, what? *dies of starvation *

[@kazaddum2448]

@@thesecondsilvereich7828 Tell that to the Irish and Indians who were starved to death under capitalism =)

[@thelovewizard8954]

"women arent competitive" my sister punched me in the face so she could win Wii Sports. Has he ever met a woman? Does he know they're real?

[@jameslegrand848]

Women were created by the diamond rings industry you sheep. WAKE UP !!!!!

[@444-w8k]

Right wing people generally associate with feminine woman in a leftists wouldn't understand so it makes sense he would think women are not competitive

[@elliotts5574]

@@444-w8kyou are barely literate

[@thelovewizard8954]

@@elliotts5574 I'll have whatever he's smoking.

[@444-w8k]

@@elliotts5574 I missed word cmon guys give break here

[@corsair7535]

“… dating has increasingly become commodified through apps and other services by for profit corporations, who are not only alienating you from your labor but now are also alienating you from pussy.” This right here. This is the most based statement.

[@swadow1497]

That shit was fire.

[@jasonhaven7170]

No it wasn't, yt boy. @@swadow1497

[@jasonhaven7170]

It really isn't. It's inc*l talk.

[@swadow1497]

@jasonhaven7170 it's not though. If we ignore the last sentence which was obviously said kinda as a fun joke. Incels blame women for the fact that they are Incels. Whilst this is putting the blame on the objective fact that all major dating apps are for profit corporations who upon seeing you fail to get a relationship try to take cash from you for the promise that now you will have an easier chance at getting into a relationship. Incel shit would be discussing something like facial structure and like how women only date higher status men.

[@TheSm1thers]

Not really. He just somehow misunderstands whatifalthist talking about the problems of loneliness and dating in society being linked to the internet, calls it "incel theory", blames it on capitalism, dismisses it with "shower more" and continues. It's just dumb.

[@induspherix]

Got a fun giggle where Whathectrlphrenologist was spitballing the towards the notion that left handed people might be heretics

[@Jasmixd]

My man WIAH criticising communism for being apocalyptic and a religion, while Christ himself was a religious person with apocalyptic views.

[@iamwonka]

It’s the end times, remember? Lol

[@kaydgaming]

Christ would have also been called a leftist for his economic views

[@ckreal9423]

@@kaydgaming what economic views lmaoooo, instructing individuals to be good and help the poor and those in need doesnt make you a leftist, nor puts you in a political category, he never advocated for any economic system or view in specific either, his message was to individuals, not governments

[@samuelelawson]

When those policies of helping the poor and less fortunate are codified in law, they are considered "left wing". Right wing politics, at least in the US, are very opposed to spending money on things like welfare and social services. So I think a pretty solid argument could be made that if Jesus was alive today and was asked about which political positions he supported, he would favor policies that "right wing" politicians oppose.

[@gnas1897]

​@@ckreal9423 "A man cannot be a slave to two masters" or something in the words of that talking about money and god.

[@blipboigilgamesh7865]

The only thing I can say about the complete destruction of WIAH's ego is that it was inevtable.

[@axel665]

Nah he will still continue to make this type of video he won't change or read source materials

[@PetalPunkFairy]

​@@axel665it's sad he cherry picks easy reads that make him feel smart. And he refuses to read anything that contradicts his assumptions. He's said this shit in videos. It sad how dumb dumb he is and he got like pseudo online intellectual clout

[@veteran0121]

That's funny because this dude doesn't seem egotistical at all. The comment section on this video is a giant pro-communist wankfest.

[@notme9816]

And quite timely at that!

[@ΒασίληςΒλάχος-τ3κ]

Ah, my favorite Wright wing argument, making their own idiologies so they can argue against them

[@fallenicarus2685]

Both the Left and the Right do this. I've lost count of the amount of ideologies have appeared simply because people want an enemy to argue with. Believing that Socialism or Fascism is inherently evil and viewing the extremist versions of them inevitable you lose the ability to learn how to avoid the mistakes of the past.

[@Robert.Stole.the.Television]

​@@fallenicarus2685 "Believing fascism is inherently evil" - hol up.

[@red_roy]

@@fallenicarus2685 im sure leftists strawman too, but "Believing fascism is inherently evil" is a bit different. Because while people have different definitions of facism, it is ultranationalist and tends to be very hierarchy focused. We leftists believe we have more common with the working class of other nationalities than our own overlords, we also think hierarchy is bad. So facism and Socialism is by nature in conflict, one is a culture war, that other cultures are inferior and are the root of their problem, they also tend to strengthen hierarchy in its own culture. while socialism advocates for dissolution of national identities [not culture, just the idea that nationality is important] and want to destroy all hierarchy [well... not auth-left/tankies]. To me inequality seems to be part of the design for facism. Sure there might be some facist theory which isn't inherently hierarchical and I would love to know about it, but I have never come across any facist idea that isn't inequal by design.

[@hedgehog3180]

@@fallenicarus2685 If you're saying that we shouldn't see fascism as inherently evil then you're already quite the extremist.

[@Americanpride555]

@@hedgehog3180fascism is the other side of the coin that Communism is. They are both a long term horrific system for the people under its boots.

[@younggod5230]

the last bit was really really illustrative of how contemptous and/or bootlicking anti-anti-capitalists are

[@sarah_fides]

you, a peasant: "capitalism alienates you from the fruits of your labour" me, an intellectual: "capitalism alienates you from pussy"

[@minestar2247]

Well, if capitalism alienates you from others, you don't need to be an intellectual to figure it out

[@Bolle1701]

"Me, an intellectual" said no person ever who is certain of his/her knowledge and wisdom.

[@minestar2247]

@@Bolle1701 yep, that's why it's a meme

[@xibalbalon8668]

Alienated from the means of reproduction

[@ObiJohnKenobi67]

Das Booty-kal

[@zooblestyx]

Calling an ideology a religion is a tired old right-wing Christian thought stopper. See they have the one true religion, so now if they can somehow call something a religion, that something must necessarily be false. And false teachings are of the devil, so no need to read what they actually say. Stops thought, alright.

[@BobPantsSpongeSquare97]

They say the same thing about science, in particular when it comes to the study of evolutionary biology and climate science 😂

[@robinrehlinghaus1944]

That's a senseless take. It doesn't depend on your religiosity to recognise the psychological mechanisms of a religion..

[@kavky]

@@BobPantsSpongeSquare97 The scientific method itself exists thanks to Christian theosophy but don't let that get in the way of your euphoric neckbeardism.

[@HeortirtheWoodwarden]

It's not a thought stopper, the point is not that Communism is a false religion, it's that Communism in practice is a religion, fulfilling the same role religion plays in society.

[@pennyforyourthots]

​@@robinrehlinghaus1944except that religion isn't exclusively a psychological phenomenon. Religion, as scholars generally Define it, is a combination of psychology, supernatural beliefs, and ritual practice. Most ideologies do not meet all of these criteria, which is why they are not religions. You can argue that something has a similar thought pattern to religious thinking, but you actually have to explain why. Considering that most leftist ideology is explicitly based on the rejection of the status quo, while most religion exists as a tool of preserving the status quo, that'd be kind of a tough sell.

[@arshamshayan]

can't believe I almost thought he was right. I don't typically do my own research on this type of stuff, since I got other stuff to do. But I am thankful I seeked criticism for this man

[@Emery_Pallas]

Yeah do, you are better off reading Chuck Tingle for historical and geopolitical education

[@AlexAzureOtaku]

@@Emery_Pallas what do you mean chuck tingle isn't the greatest historical social commentary literature ever

[@Emery_Pallas]

@@AlexAzureOtaku yes that's why I recommended them

[@veteran0121]

I can't believe you lunatics think you're right. You literally believe you can make the Earth perfect. Which is more insane? Believing you can make the Earth perfect or a spiritual afterlife? My view is the former is WAY more insane. And yes communism is a religion. It would have to be considering how insane it is and the amount of people who buy into it's philosphies.

[@arshamshayan]

@@Emery_Pallas sounds great, I'll check him out

[@dziewiaty]

My dude is written like Fallout 3 character. "Communism bad, US good"

[@imamorp7980]

iPhone vuvuzela Tankie gulag 100 bajillion dead

[@downix]

When your citation list starts with a literal Holocaust denier, perhaps the list can be viewed as suspicious. As for the illegitimate child claim, the maid worked for Engels during Marx's time working for a New York Newspaper. He only returned from that nearly year-long job a few months before the boy was born. I put the claim that Marx was the father as laughable at best

[@ericmacrae6871]

Honestly I keep hearing that claim a lot now that I know the context I am not surprise of cringe it really is

[@upsbabygirl18]

Who is a holocaust denier?

[@downix]

@@upsbabygirl18 Timothy Snyder is rather well known for a particular kind of Holocaust denial; that it happened, but it wasn't the poor Nazis fault. It was those pesky Communists who caused it to happen, if you ever read his books Black Earth or Bloodlands.

[@Mantis-ti5ve]

A historical fact so obviously true, you need draconian laws to punish thise who question it and silence all discussion!

[@fraidbea]

"society would be improved if everyone was a small business owner" wow this guy is really smart

[@fraidbea]

32:37 "return to pre industrial norms" I wonder why things were different pre industrialization. don't care what Marx had to say

[@fraidbea]

is this really peak right wing historical thought on KZbin there's gotta be better than this

[@crimsonwings4632]

Some of what Whatifalthist believes is genuinely concerning with his views on women and Jewish people being notable. For someone who dropped out of college for being too woke it's not a surprise he doesn't source anything. It's a shame someone who has such a large platform is able to spread such baseless views it's saddening. Either way thank you for making this video, people like this should always be held accountable in a balanced way I appreciate how your videos do this.

[@Emery_Pallas]

Wasn’t it high school he dropped out of?

[@crimsonwings4632]

@@Emery_Pallas To be honest I don't remember, it was one of the two for sure

[@Mag_ladroth]

@@Emery_Pallas I think he was getting a degree in history but dropped out because he thought college is too woke

[@kylegonewild]

@@Mag_ladroth Makes sense. College doesn't just blindly blame women and Jews for everything you don't like which is not the history he wants to live in.

[@asandax6]

​@@kylegonewildYour right it only blames Men and Women they don't like.

[@anton44679]

"shower more and bring up fundemental differances between man and women less" is what made me sub.

[@cobaltmn5716]

i love that ending, its always weird when right wingers stumble into marxist thinking without realizing it.

[@eduardcardenas9736]

he just went so right he came back from the left

[@russman3787]

@@eduardcardenas9736 the horshoe is real

[@applesyrupgaming]

​@@eduardcardenas9736s t r a s s e r i s m

[@martin2289]

The way he spouts his ignorance of history and ass-backwards conclusions with such smug confidence is just unbearable.

[@myname-pe2pe]

Let's be honest here, people watch whatifalthist for 2 reasons 1. They agree with him 2. He's entertaining No one watches him cause they are trying to learn from him

[@kellen_mcsmellin]

I used to watch him because he would have very different opinions than me and seemed to challenge me preconceived notions. Then i slowly started realizing how strange and unfounded a lot of his views were, especially when it came to social issues. I was taking a shit in the basement of my college watching one of his videos about dating when I decided yeeeaaah this guy has actually just been a pseudo intellectual loser this whole time

[@huntre111]

I mean, *I'm* watching him to learn something, mostly what new insanity the 'intellectual' right tends to believe so that we can better understand what needs to be debunked or argued against. He's completely nuts because he thinks that feels trump reals and that he doesn't need to examine his pre-existing biases, but he's *unimaginatively* nuts.

[@boaoftheboaians]

I actually learnt some useful stuff from him but that was like a year ago before his content really started deteriorating into more opinionated "right-wing" (quotation marks cause i dont even associate with such things in politics XD) content

[@jemiller226]

@@boaoftheboaians Remember, if you don't associate with politics, it will associate with you whether you like it or not.

[@TayTayMakesBeats]

​@@jemiller226 That's a good quote, I'm stealing it. "Apolitical" is more often than not just the middle of the Overton window. Not apolitical, just in support of the status quo.

[@mossboss5695]

>"I started writing this video to understand communism" > doesn't read Marx oh boy

[@Leftistmushroom]

That's like the easy shit as well lol

[@mossboss5695]

@@Leftistmushroom right? Like it's even on audiobook, for free from several places (like Librivox). I think the dude is genuinely afraid to have his basic af worldview challenged by a book.

[@Rokaize]

@@mossboss5695especially by such a silly book that is frankly outdated.

[@tefky7964]

@@Rokaize Which you can´t judge unless you read it...

[@Rokaize]

@@tefky7964 I’ve read plenty of Marx. His communist manifesto. And all of Das Kapital in college. The best way to dismiss communism or Marxism in general is to simply be knowledgeable on it. Most communists online, and every single one I’ve met in real life, are totally in it for the aesthetic. They care nothing about the actual deeper material or trying to get it to work in real life. It’s all just something they think looks cool and edgy and will abandon after a few years when they are forced to confront the real world and get a job, have a family, buy a house, car etc etc. It’s a totally unworkable system and there’s some great reasons why it has failed so catastrophically in the past and there will never be a state that adopts it. It’s old news. You might as well be advocating for feudalism. That’s how outdated it is and how little the average person cares.

[@pseudo148]

Studying psychology (not that you would have to) makes that hemisphere argument at the begging actually melt my mind, pretending that you can draw defined conclusions of an ideology based on a failing of an entire side of the brain is so bonkers to me, did he perform brain surgery on all communists to find this conclusion, I can’t understate how much that first 30 seconds actually sounds like the ravings of a mad man ahahahah

[@pallingtontheshrike6374]

studying automation (college speak for “everything vaguely high tech under the sun”) and we touch on brain structure and function as background for the study on neural network models, and… woweee….

[@abandonedchannel72929]

whatifalthist is the type of guy to unironically say “let me play devil’s advocate”

[@Jotari]

What's wrong with playing devil's advocate?

[@temkin9298]

​@@JotariDevil aka the origin of evil can't be defended because it created sin. Ironicly one can argue that god made sin because as a absolute being, it made the decision to make the situation happen. And many other arguments. Unironic defending of devil is dumb because the icon of sin IS the devil. It's like forgiving a murderer because the instigator that set up the situation made the sin of commiting murder be placed upon the instigator and murderer in question should be go unpunished.

[@Jotari]

@@temkin9298 Uh...sure...but...that's not what Devil's Advocate means.

[@temkin9298]

@@Jotari I got it wrong. It is to question the established arguemrnts to test its validity against its opposion. My bad.

[@rickkroll]

Removes fedora, sits down at table with you

[@andyspillum3588]

Maybe he saw Shapiro and said "Dam it! We MUST have a Christian one of those!!!" And bravely leapt on his sword

[@codycarney2311]

He just dropped a banger of a dumpster fire video on the modern feminism movement. He explains how women having agency is the reason he can't get "pussy," not aware its the screeching of bigorty and racism on the regular.

[@seanhartnett79]

I feel like if he stopped being a bigot and a racist. Or became an unironic Marxist he would get bitches.

[@tomasvrabec1845]

It isn't. He made a video describing the general trends where the socio cultural characteristics of individuals lead to a certain socialetal result as a whole. Nothing right wing about that one. He didn't even mention women should or should not have more liberty or education. It's a very well proven and imoericallly recorded fact that women who do have more self agency, higher education ext ext do tend to be less pleased with their choices of partners because biologically (meaning from biology on average) a woman seeks to have a partner more successful than her. Given the modern equality situation that would make a drastically less appealing choices for settlement and reproduction across the board. But. Yes they do use some word language here and there but the idea and concept behind it is well reasoned.

[@MCArt25]

I mean he's not wrong. I doubt any woman would choose to live with this guy.

[@jimcat68]

@@tomasvrabec1845 "socialetal"? "imoericallly"? What language is that translated from ?

[@ProjectEchoshadow]

I don’t Know I think if women had no agency he’d be able to sleep with them despite his racism and bigotry so he’s kind of right

[@byronritchie5449]

I love who he has to not only repeat the same tired talking points agaisnt socialism and communism, but he creates new weird and esoteric ones as well such as the left handed magic one Also as you yourself said it is possible to make genuine critiques of socialism and communism (or at least certain sects of communism like Marxist Leninism) but althist isn’t making them

[@pandaandthegecko5480]

Marxism as we know it: emerges in the 19th century Gnosticism: rediscovered in the 1930s Somehow Marxism is influenced by Gnosticism?

[@Baccanaso]

The Cathars were gnostics and these ideas permeated throughout time. That the original texts were found in the 1930s doesn't discredit that.

[@AC-dk4fp]

Gnosticism wasn't rediscovered in the 1930s. Ireneus of Lyon wrote a detailed treatise on the subject that remained the standard textbook on Heresy until the reformation started spitting out so many heresies no one could keep up. Gnosticism remained a standard buzzword and is a big feature of the original post-French Revolution Anti-Masonic conspiracy theories that reactionaries have been recycling for two hundred years. First authentic Gnostic text, the Bruce Codex, was recovered in 1769, followed by the Askew Codex (Pistis Sophia) in 1773 and the Berlin/Akhmin codex in 1893. The Nag Hamadi library just confirmed the accuracy of Ireneus' account, which Bible Scholars had previously considered to be too polemnical to be trusted. There were a lot of Neo-Gnostic movements contemporary with Marx they just tended to innovate their own 'non-biased' versions rather than trust Ireneus' account. Usually they were just Christian Cabala and used the term Gnostic for anti-Catholic edgy-ness since it took a few decades of edge arms race to get to self-professed Satanism. Since Hegel does directly cite Kabalistic texts the connection isn't complete nonsense but is no more important than the obvious Christian Utopian Communism that preceded Marx. Or the Platonism which is the only real link between Kabala and Gnosticism.

[@AC-dk4fp]

@@anomalisticofferings14 Jacobinism = Freemasonry = Templar Gnosticism is one of the core reactionary conspiracy tropes. Any attempt to hide that by citing a real philosopher is just a dogwhistle.

[@ericmeyers387]

You obviously make good points about the intellectual academic faux demeanor of this guy. I still like his work. Perhaps he'll tone down the apparent authoritative opinion it seems to suggest, but admittedly some of his points and ideas are interesting and good.

[@Not_Nican]

Why hasn't anyone mentioned that Mongolia was missing on the communism map. Why is Mongolia always forgotten😢 But I think this is the final straw. I am unsubscribing from... whatifalthist

[@zefft.f4010]

Justice for Mongolia!

[@deeznoots6241]

Knowing WIAH he probably consider them ‘savages’ along with most of Africa and the middle east

[@EllysEscape]

I also liked how he credited the "history is a spiral" line to some dude named Amaury de Reincourt instead of Lenin in his civil war video. Real classy considering Lenin wrote it 4 years before Riencourt was even born.

[@karldehaut]

I received training in philosophy and history in Geneva (Switzerland). At one point in my youth I was confronted with a problem: revisionism about the Nazi concentration camps. In short: the denial of the Shoah and Porajmos (Holocaust is a word laden with ideology). The decision of French, Italian, German and Spanish-speaking historians was to refuse to debate Holocaust deniers. An astronomer doesn't discuss cosmology with an astrologer. Social media inspired by a dominant cultural context (Anglophone) incense the debate. There is no debate with the falsifiers. That's what you do, you debunk not debate. Ah yes, on one side there is you, probably an academic (mastery of the use of sources) and on the other side a propagandist. I beg you not to present your confrontation as a debate. Debate is an organized and directed discussion made by people knowledgeable about a specific topic. Otherwise it's a discussion about opinions. Ps : I subscribed.

[@FreddaYT]

I don't do debates, so that shouldn't be a problem. I hate the debate form as well.

[@neverstopschweiking]

Interesting. I didn't expect to see such opinion here. This debate is absolutely filled with communist (well, western middle-class rich teenager "communist") propaganda and it is something I despise as much as nazi propaganda, being a hardcore anti-communist anti-nazi who was born in a socialist (marxist) country and our family was massacred by both mainstream socialists - nazis and communists. I do hate both. (I'm Czech, it is the majority worldview here). I wouldn't probably agree with your political stances, yet you stand by one very good principle - it is necessary to debate an ideological opponent. It is pointless to debate a propagandist. Although I see this video as two propagandists calling each other out. I noticed while a nazi might sometimes be willing to respond to actual arguments for some time before attacking and spewing hate, a modern western communist will never accept such a challenge as providing valid arguments. And understandably so - the western communists are not philosophers searching for the truth, they are religious cultists trying to spread the gospel (party propaganda). It is useless for them to debate with a Czech, Polish or Hungarian, we do have historical experience and they understand after few sentences they will not persuade us to join their cult. Thus they have zero interest in debating with us. And rightfully so as a holocaust denier has no interest in debating with Jews in Jerusalem about gas chambers being a hoax. By the way, never have I seen more hardcore personal attacks, more hate, more organised vandalising of a debate than the one time I mentioned the existence of a section of Dablice graveyard where the mass grave of newborns and babies is located. Babies of political dissidents who were tortured to death in front of their mothers by the communist regime secret police. This is a known location in Prague, there are official remembrance actions, it is about as undeniable as the existence of nazi concentration camps mass graves. Just by mentioning it I triggered hundreds, if not thousands of communist redditors who absolutely brigaded one single post on one subreddit by organising on 4 other subreddits and attacking in matter of minutes. I seriously doubt there is any possibility of a debate.

[@mikado6407]

A video on Kraut's even worse historiography would be much interesting. It's incredibly sad how well taken his videos are compared to how poorly made and unfactual they are. His china and india video or the russia videos (in general) are extremely eggregious and are spreading weird ideas that are completely ahistorical or straight up weird (Randomly: it was impossible to move between castes in india, generally misunderstanding castes (he says brahmis didn't hold economic power or land when we have many records of them doing exactly this), marxists do not understand indian history when the field of indian history's most esteemed historians are often marxist, like bipan chandra or R.S. sharma, russia is authoritarian because of some weird immutable mongol characteristic of its culture, soviet thought is influenced by an author banned by the soviet union, ect.). I don't think anyone on the platform has actually called him out in a satisfactory manner yet because he does excude an aura of seriousness despite his videos often litterally using Francis Fukuyama as a source in completely unrelated topics, or not even having sources at all. On a sidenote he's also a massive islamophobe and as a practicing muslim i find it especially gross because it really permeates through some of his videos, like the one on Pakistan, where he seems to have this bizzare idea that sufism is not considered islam in pakistan (unsourced).

[@zues9614]

Kraut is one of the worst western chauvinists to grace KZbin, as a Pakistani, his Pakistan vid was eye opening especially before my political radicalization, when I was a Pakistani stan, nowadays ironically his longest vids are country balls= whatever I want, source trust me bro.

[@zues9614]

Oh yes the idea that Soviet ideology was that they have mongol sun power was truly peak kraut😂.

[@Baccanaso]

Sounds like you dont understand cultural legacies. He was on point with the Russians. These cultures aren't a blank slate once the mode of production or who's in charge changes.

[@mrtrollnator123]

​@@zues9614by that logic Iran is a dictatorship because the mongols used to rule over it 😂😂😂😂😂

[@gabbar51ngh]

I mean Islam is pretty violent terrorism prone religion. Being against Islam is pretty rational and logical. Him being Islamophobe isn't wrong.

[@Naturewalkingthrough]

I don’t know about anyone else but listening to a wiah sounds like listening to someone’s insanity rather then learning about the world.

[@CraftedEcho]

his video felt like a college essay written by a kid who didn't do the reading and just guessed what it said after watching a PragerU video on it

[@lanemars]

You didn't watch his video actually his video is 15 minutes longer and his clips haven't been picked to make you think he's a loser

[@vladivascanu108]

Lanemars maybe because they are the most obvious mistakes in the video. Did you want for him to just give clips of him saying something obvious without including something he says after that is completely stupid.

[@grandsome1]

Whatifhistory is the definition of "smart enough to read a book, too stupid to understand it." except he did not even bother with the first part.

[@seanhartnett79]

Yep

[@spoxx1802]

His idol Jordan Peterson too

[@seanhartnett79]

@@spoxx1802 Jordan Peterson got into right wing politics and went off the deep end.

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

@@seanhartnett79 i still. Remember a time where Peterson was respectable and decent as a person and then he went to the right got a taste of power and never looked back

[@seanhartnett79]

@@augustuslunasol10thapostle basically it has made him miserable too.

[@SMH55]

This WIAH guy is just a glowing example of what American rightwing thought does to a mf

[@minestar2247]

The worst is that he probably considers himself a centrist

[@thorpeaaron1110]

Like the Left Wing is so innocent

[@SMH55]

@@thorpeaaron1110 nowhere did i say that it was, dont assume

[@treyebillups8602]

@@SMH55 he has a pinochet pfp hes going to be stupid like this

[@Mag_ladroth]

@@minestar2247 Prettty sure I heard him say that he does not consider himself a right winger

[@cabal_2]

Now do TIKHistory's recent National Socialism is based on Gnosticism videos, I'm almost 100% that's where Whatifalthist got it from lmao

[@themainmanborah]

Interesting, because TIK is well sourced and puts all his sources out there in order for the average person to understand where his conclusions lie. But, perhaps the Marxists, who are privy to hidden knowledge unlike the rest of normal civilization, know better than a former leftist who's well-sourced and educated in this topic.

[@AC-dk4fp]

At least that's a serious thesis investigated by academics. Its just minor and overhyped.

[@Bolle1701]

Okay, I saw this video. TIKhistory worked with primary sources, showed the quotas that proved - at least in his eyes - his hypothesis and figured out that it's an observation. I think, there were some good arguments in favour of gnostocism like his adaption of the believe, that Aryans were created by god as an antithesis to the jews, his strong believe that the Volk will have a transformation to a higher state, his differenciation between christianity and faith and his antipathy for freemasonry not because of their faith but of their conspirational working. It's a hypothesis. What do you hope for when you want someone else to debunk this

[@AC-dk4fp]

@@Bolle1701 Its a blatantly wrong hypothesis stated by a man who takes being religiously ignorant as a virtue and is way out of depth. TIKhistory uses no primary sources on Gnosticm or Marxism, only on Hitler. His sources for Gnosticism are a 30 year old essay collection of Western Esoterecism (a field of religious studies that touches on Gnosticism but is focused on a whole different millenia), a 70 year old work of political philosophy with no claim to historical rigour that he misuses as a historical work and a series of lectures by a literal conspiracy theorist (not to say that conspiracies have no historical validity). He claims that demonic possession, the desire for an eschatological golden age and the concept of predictive prophecy are all gnostic parasitic beliefs poisioning true Christianity. This is the dumbest most religiously ignorant thesis I've ever heard. He's also unable to recognise that this whole 'parasitic religion' idea is just a repackaging of the very antisemiticism he quotes from Hitler in the same video and that his Conspiracy Theorist source is a crypto-Fascist. The simple fact is that Gnosticism is a highly contested category in the academic literature and a topic that has seen a lot of recent development so just quoting decade old works is simply insufficient. Which is very ironic since he's up to date on the controversy over Hitler's religion and has reached the correct answer, that Nazism is kind of confused. But then rather than accepting that confusion as well earned wisdom he tries to solve the issue by importing an even more debated term while being unaware of the debate around it. There is a reasonable argument that Hitler was in some ways gnostic but it would have to be made based on forms of gnostic belief actually accessible to Hitler, not on the works of political thinkers writing after Hitler's death based on ideas that were known to only a handful of cutting edge researchers in the 1930s.

[@Bolle1701]

@@AC-dk4fp "his conspiracy theorist source is a crypto fascist" Whait...what? Who is a crypto fascist and why? I am no expert in neither religious theories nor the religious question of the third Reich. I know that there was a melange of everything from Deutsche Christen (another zeitgeist form of protestantism) to atheism to esotheric paganism. I also know that the revolutionary part of the NS movement fought conservative "reactonary" elements like student fraternities, old elites a.s.o. Now that Hitlers world view was basically eclectic it may be possible that he read writings that could be claimed as "gnostic". In his "further evidences..." video TIKhistory uses only primary sources of Hitler's "Mein Kampf" and "Tischgespräche" and Chamberlain. Like I said, his "Hitler was a gnostic" claim is a hypothesis which he tries to strenghtens. I appreciate your answer but I don't see any falsification of TIKhistorys arguments. You say, that he is wrong and that his sources are old (where I don't see the problem as long as they are good - Popper's "The open society" is also old but a good observation of totalitarism), but why? I looking forward for a good exchange of knowledge!

[@socialistrepublicofvietnam1500]

Is it just me or does Whatifalthist give me incel vibes? It is much more clear in his American civil war vid where he basically says that men not losing their virginity will lead to them being angry and cause a civil war (which kinda seems like projection) but this is a recurring theme in many of his videos

[@something1600]

Kropotkin was a Wizard! Whatifalthist confirmed it.

[@realhumanbean7915]

He had the beard for it

[@jorikrouwenhorst7220]

1:32 Did? did Whatifalthist just try to argue that left-brainers are inclined towards left-wing politics? Even though being a left or right isn’t a thing! Jesus I’m happy I unsubbed to that guy months ago.

[@FreddaYT]

I don't think he was earnestly making this point, no. But yes, it is silly still.

[@jorikrouwenhorst7220]

@@FreddaYT I hope for him he didn’t.

[@GuapoG0tGuap]

He says small business owners and farmers are "often quite poor" but this isn't true. Farmers especially are rich. Farm workers are poor, but that's not the same as being a farmer. And they both get lots of help from the government. Something like 40% of farm profit comes from subsidies and there are many gov programs to help funnel business to small business owners. Not exactly the self-sufficient, "I have agency and independence" vibe WIAH says he wants.

[@FreddaYT]

Correct, I didn't want to delve into too much of the minutia but in terms of the larger wealth disparity in the United States for example, farmers and small business owners quite often are quite poor or facing significant financial hardships in competition with larger corporations and conglomerates, the only problem is that the non-business owners are much, much poorer. The small business owner or the farmer can liquidate their assets to give them a bit of a windfall. The undocumented farm worker or the cashier who works for them cannot.

[@the25thprime]

Well, depends. I’m a geology environmental scientist; lots of farmers yes make a lot of money but need to keep up as in equipment, treatment, and being able to grow one of two of the seeds of crop in whatever monopoly that seed belongs to. A lot are in heavy debt, constant upkeep. You’re correct, but just wanted to piggyback for you because I think it’s something people should know regarding industry. To just finish it’s a lot more complicated and this weird incely guy can’t even cite one source or look past anything and ask why ENOUGH TO OPEN GOOGLE SCHOLAR

[@cristian8402]

​@@FreddaYTif we speak about farmers only in terms of US, but the world doesn't end and stary with US, for example in Eastern Europe and third world countries farmers are poor, though in general rural people are poor in those countries.

[@Solaris_Paradox]

Imagine supporting capitalism and yet you yourself don't have capital.

[@multidimensionalentt7417]

WIAH is literally the “le west has fallen 😓” meme

[@treyebillups8602]

millions must alternate

[@abandonedchannel72929]

@@treyebillups8602also millions must get some bitches

[@zhcultivator]

lmao true 👍 🤣 😂 😅 😆 💯

[@stevgreaty7541]

I love whatifalthist. Genuinely get entertained by his videos. I’m not a historian by any means, but I love trying to pick out where he’s just lying or full of shit in his vids. It’s like a little game

[@007kingifrit]

yet you find actual communist channels like this one acceptable? what if alt his is very accurate and insightful

[@zharyel9890]

@@007kingifrit Are you for real? Where is communism promoted on his videos regarding Althist? European social democrats are neither socialist nor communist, regardless if American right-wingers think this. They get elected in a democratic way like every other political party here, and btw not a single communist party is in German parliament for example. I am right-leaning myself but the stupid non-historical shit Althist pumps out is not accurate and clearly not insightful. It smells of populism and ideologies from 150 years ago, as if he has a fetish with absolute monarchism.

[@tomzhouschannel968]

@@007kingifrit No one gave you room to talk.

[@007kingifrit]

@@tomzhouschannel968 actually they did dummy, its called a comment section

[@herzydanny]

@@007kingifrit its true that he is biassed, but I can argue that the arguments presented here are far more coherent than the arguments of whatifalthist

[@ocek2744]

This guy is basically Jordan Peterson minus the fancy degree. Didn't read the material, makes a bunch of assumptions and coasts off his own audience's ignorance.

[@MyUsersDark]

As Palpatine once said: "To understand the force you must study all its aspects", the same goes for an argument. You have to study both sides, you can't just not listen to the opposing argument and claim to argue objectively

[@lerneanlion]

Thanos: Reality is often disappointing. WIAH: Reality is often complicated.

[@pavelthefabulous5675]

Forrest Gump: Reality is like box of chocolates

[@dominykassimonis2180]

I love how he says that communism didn't have any major support in more developed capitalist societies, while completely ignoring the countless civil wars and revolutions that happened in europe, fighting for a better standard of living.

[@PC42190]

Countries like France, Italy or even Japan had massive communist parties

[@Jacorn_IDK]

Examples? Not tryna be rude, just curious

[@PC42190]

@@Jacorn_IDK the german revolution

[@dominykassimonis2180]

@@Jacorn_IDK the spanish civil war, the french commune during the franco-prussian war,heck, even in the german elections of 1933, the nazi party's main rival was the german communist party,which had a significant percent of the votes, and i could name others

[@dango6266]

​@@dominykassimonis2180also the labour party of Britain back when they were based

[@TheFunkMaestro]

Honestly, Whatifalthist himself is just a lotta *bad vibes*. From his broad, sweeping generalizations of culture to his rather… unique personal beliefs.

[@echidnanatsuki882]

I mean... Generalizing Culture is not really that bad when you consider that Cultures that involve glorifying Canibalism & Underage Marriage is a thing.

[@csweezey18]

@@echidnanatsuki882 Yes, Christian culture is super f*cked up!

[@dilawn_bv]

@@echidnanatsuki882 i dont know any modern societies that glorify cannibalism, and of course, theres definitely no child marriages in the western world, nooooo, not possible, totally not

[@echidnanatsuki882]

@@dilawn_bv im talking about isolated Tribes and Muslim Countries in 3rd World Regions.

[@acid4413]

​@@echidnanatsuki882whooosh

[@speggeri90]

I'm probably not the typical audience for such channels, being a fairly conservative minded, Thomas Sowell idolizing, Born again Christian, but I did enjoy the attempt in rigorous adherence to sources and history. Not having a background in academia myself but only a deep thirst for accuracy and the truth, it's quite amusing to see these YT "intellectuals" having their asses handed to them. I pray that you will be well.

[@PlatinumAltaria]

Even if you're a conservative I don't know why you'd idolise Sowell, the man's an idiot even by the standards of the right. He genuinely doesn't understand any of the concepts he discusses, even from his own ideology.