Freddy vs Jason | Welcome To The Basement

Freddy Krueger faces off with Jason Voorhees on the old leather couch tonight as we kick off the scary month of October with the horror franchise mash-up - Freddy Vs. Jason!
In Seen It, we talk horror: Bone Tomahawk, Scream, Peeping Tom and swinging seventies Dracula.
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[@rockersunite122]

Fun fact, this was edited down like crazy from the original script. chopped up like a teenagers in both of these franchises.

[@themoviedealers]

"Florida is a disgusting place.". - Craig Johnson

[@craigjohnson6423]

After over 10 years of doing this show, this is the first time I think we have achieved a quote worthy of a WTTB t-shirt.

[@themoviedealers]

@@craigjohnson6423 Take my money.

[@Lilly_Belle]

Ernesto never fails to bring a smile to my face, at the very end. Please never ever replace that shot.

[@mcdamnhot3479]

My favourite bit of this movie is when the final girl goes “Freddy hates fire, Jason hates water… how can we use that”

[@smacksalad]

"Door Douche" deserved more :) Also, Craig has a point about drugs, man... drugs.

[@jean-paularends4535]

"Yeah... You lead with the dark brown hat..." made me laugh out loud.

[@hadassah179]

Maybe the reason why Jason is curled up as a boy is from Freddie's strength of becoming a person's nightmare. He got inside Jason's head and put him back in that moment as a boy of having that first traumatic memory of being left in the sunken water. When Jason is older he's learned to embrace the water like Batman and the dark but Freddie took over his mind and placed him back in that childhood memory.

[@JaySteetsArt]

Craig, I received your thank you postcard in the mail this week, and I gotta say that I'm touched! It was totally unexpected and it's a perfect example of why I've been a fan of you hilarious movie-watchers for years. You're good dudes, you do a great job, and I'll be watching until the rapture. Keep up the great work, boys and girls!

[@craigjohnson6423]

Our pleasure. I don't know who sent you this other thing called "Blame Society." Looks like there is a hacker in our midst, and his name might be Jeremy.

[@Rabidwulfe]

When the release date was mentioned I had to hang my head in my hands for a few seconds, one of those "Oh I guess I AM getting old huh." moments.

[@Caffeine_Club]

07:21 - thank you for the Suicidal Tendencies karaoke 🎤 🤘

[@bernardnjones]

I believe Jason Takes Manhattan ended with him being dissolved in acid or toxic waste or something, just to answer Matt's question.

[@hermes_job_observer144]

@5:07: "Ohh, Jason's sex..muscles are twickling!?" -Craig I'm dead AF! LOL! 🤣😂😥 (i can't stop imagining Spidey's sex muscles twickling!) 😶

[@lyambotting5833]

Interesting Fact, there was a proposed sequel to FvJ called Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ash, where Ash Williams from Evil Dead joined the fray. The film was obviously never made but it was adapted into a comic-book mini-series that is actually pretty good.

[@vampricramen]

I was underwhelmed by the comic, but that may be due to the fact that it's missing the bigger than life personas of Robert Englund and Bruce Campbell.

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

i also want to say Chucky was thrown in at some point. or maybe that was fan art or something.

[@hermes_job_observer144]

@13:40: "yeah, drugs man...drugs". Lol! 💊

[@PoseidonXIII]

I love Craig's stories of his mom traumatizing him with horror movies. Still remember the one of her playing The Exorcist soundtrack to him as a baby.

[@mikayladurkee8317]

My favorite time of the year in the basement! I’m betting next episode Craig is Alice from wonderland and Matt is Alice from go ask Alice. Dueling Alice costumes. That’s my guess. 😂

[@mrflibble3226]

What hat will you be wearing while you play dominoes in the park with Craig, Matt?

[@EnormousKingCrab]

8:50 "Jason's gonna have a field day" At the corn party, nice.

[@hermes_job_observer144]

@14:11: The power of the pelvis compels you! 😂

[@Raktus]

"We shot him into space, that didn't help!" No we didn't... Jason X actually answers all those "Did we do X to Jason?" questions. We capture Jason and hold him at a military complex built at Camp Crystal Lake. While there, the military does experiments on him in attempts to try and kill him. None of them work. In the end he gets cryogenically frozen. In the far future he gets unfrozen after a ship full of students visits Earth and picks him up as a relic of the past. So, to answer the question... in the extended Jason Universe, he is completely unkillable and everything has been tried.

[@mrflibble3226]

Have they shot him into the Sun?

[@craigjohnson6423]

If there has ever been a situation for me to say "Well, I stand corrected," this would be it.

[@miguelnewmexico8641]

but can Jason see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

[@KrustyFrank27]

Jason gets dissolved by acid in the New York sewers in Part 8: Jason Goes to Town Or Whatever.

[@jzugel60]

Didn't expect this but I'm happy we got it. Love you guys, stay safe

[@MRFIXITZ]

i was thinking the same thing this is a movie i never expected them to watch

[@DaDestroyer1986]

Toxic sludge in Jason Takes Manhattan.

[@danplewnarz]

Robert Englund taught acting at Los Angeles Community College, one student who spoke very highly of his teaching was the whiny little geek who starred in Corvette Summer.

[@BloodyFlowerFilms]

I’d NEVER expect to see this film on an episode of Welcome to the Basement! I love Freddy vs. Jason! Probably one of the few versus films that actually, well, lives up to the versus.

[@nargris4048]

So true. I really dislike Versus movies where its X vs Y until Z turns up and suddenly X and Y must put aside their differences to team up and defeat Z.

[@jackson5056]

I love how in this movie whenever someone gets knocked out of the way, they just fly thru the air.

[@SimonCallahan]

When Freddy Vs. Jason came out, my friend and I were so excited to see it. Unfortunately, it premiered the same weekend that the infamous East Coast Blackout of 2003 happened. As a result, we couldn't see it opening weekend as we had hoped because movie theatres had briefly closed down to conserve power, and we had rolling blackouts for the next month while power was restored. That weekend, my friend and I ended up renting and watching Cowboy Bebop: The Movie instead (we got lucky and were in one of the areas where power had been restored, but only to residential areas). When movie theatres finally opened again, we got to see Freddy Vs. Jason on the big screen, and it was an absolute treat.

[@hangaroundrecords4761]

I love that Craig thinks of Dominoes as a sport!

[@martinbygballe9795]

Maybe Jason was afraid of water in the dreamworld because it psychologically represented his humiliation as a child? Dreaming being a state where we are at the mercy of our subconscious. Not saying the screenwriters necessarily intended this, but it might make some sense of it Great episode, guys!

[@SugarcatPlays]

"Jason's sex muscles" made my night lol

[@stevnated]

This whole episode Extra funny :) More Craig-splaining please! XD

[@tokkibeseu]

"I Feel The Earth Move" gives me dance recital flashbacks everytime because it was the number before mine.

[@NatsuMatto]

Craig -- No need to wait to be a 60-year-old man to play dominoes! It's a perfect bar game, and my wife and I play all the time whenever we go to taprooms, beer gardens, or whatever other situations where you're sitting at a table and talking for a while. You can get more complicated with the game if you want, but the basic "draw" game requires little thought (perfect during/after a few drinks).

[@NathanEHarvey]

Love the Joel Osteen album in the background. 😂

[@bongodrumms]

Have you guys seen The Babadook? I just watched it again recently and forgot how scary it is! The tension seeps into you and keeps rising as the film goes on until it's nearly unbearable. Absolutely brilliant film

[@hermes_job_observer144]

@7:05: Just an Institutionalized Menudo Guy.

[@aXcoreXdion]

The video game series Castlevania has characters named Alucard as well, I wonder if they got the name from Dracula AD 1972. The first game had jokey references to other Hammer films in the credits so maybe?

[@SugarcatPlays]

They turned what could have been a cool really dark horror movie into a teen summer flick...

[@hadassah179]

Watching this for the first time after being properly calloused of watching other horror films and the previous parts of the franchise i was rooting for Jason to win the whole time and when they show Freddie's head i was furious. I have one beef with it, this was made in the 90s. WHY are these teens turning to pills to stay awake ? You had Mt. Dew and black coffee why didn't they just use that?

[@pianoface]

In my elementary school music class the teacher had us come up with a word that meant we needed to be quiet and sit upright on the edge of our chairs. the word was "sha-flea". after highschool someone in conversation stumbled on a word and my brain thought they were saying the word and my brain snapped into action and I sat upright immediately 😂

[@clammysammy2823]

Since my BACKSTORY hahahaha

[@DjDolHaus86]

I feel like the stoner guy would have been safe from Freddy. Back when I was a heavy smoker I rarely had dreams, awesome sleep but no dreams. Talking of movies watched too young, An American Werewolf in London messed me up and gave me recurring nightmares for a long time, can't remember why though.

[@kimberlydonohoe3427]

Never seen any Freddy or Jason movie, this us as close as I will get. I'd be *behind* the old couch.

[@vampricramen]

FvJ has its charms as do all the Friday and Nightmare films do to greater or lesser degrees, but by far its biggest flaw is that they didn't give the film multiple endings for different movie theaters to play.

[@andybearchan]

Okay My Favorite "scary movie" is Watcher in the Woods. SEEN IT?

[@RedStrayHound]

I'm so happy you did this movie. Clocked so fast at that thumbnail!🖤✨

[@grfgtbhh34]

I just noticed the framing and lighting is slightly different (and noticed it also in the previous episode, when I went back). Is this something new you're trying out?

[@Armagedn12]

Alucard is the son of Dracula in the Castlevania video games

[@stephengibbons4771]

Great video! I remember seeing this film on opening night, in a little grindhouse theater packed with gorehounds baying for blood. Good Times.

[@SugarcatPlays]

The fucking PITCHER of everclear!! Lol

[@vriderch1360]

Like a good number of movies that appeared on this show, it's a movie that has good ideas, but doesn't fulfill a lot of them. The idea of Jason and Freddy fighting, and a bunch of kids being caught in the middle is a great idea. The dream fight should be Freddy's turf, and it's just kind of lame as a fight. He should be going in and out of walls and just be able to appear behind Jason to take him down, but he just pelvic thrusts a bunch. I also really liked the idea Craig had about Jason being sympathetic. It should be like a Godzilla movie, where the people caught in the middle need to pick a side and help out whatever monster. There's a lot of potential and would be ripe for a remake if the rights to "Friday the 13th" weren't a total mess at the moment.

[@evalange4626]

I'm obsessed with Craig's mom

[@dc9662]

If there's another October "Seen It" left, have you watched The People Under the Stairs? It's an old family favorite, and it made me a lifelong fan of Sean Whalen (Tammy and the T-Rex, That Thing You Do!, the Got Milk Aaron Burr commercial). Please say you've seen it!

[@wbl_unlimited]

Now you need to check out the Ring vs. Grudge movie.

[@starwarsfreak1111]

Awesome!

[@primalkaran3483]

Hi guys and Tona, love the show.

[@jonathaneilbeck2263]

Fun Fact: John Ritter, son of Jason, appeared in director Ronny Yu's previous horror film Bride of Chucky.

[@amym0040]

This movie is awful but so fun to watch

[@Swishy_Blue]

This is a GREAT October pick ! Please do a Rhino Record Media spotlight! They made so much stuff we didn't need, and didn't know we needed. Like the Ramones documentary.

[@basquat76]

Well you can skip the gory part of bone tomahawk but watch the rest for Richard Jenkins performance. He is amazing as the old deputy sheriff with all the questions. I'm not the biggest award guy but I would call his performance a what should have been an award winning performance.

[@wbl_unlimited]

And now we can make ALL of the horror icons fight in the Mortal Kombat series.

[@SugarcatPlays]

Freddy is so vastly superior

[@meteorrejector]

seen it: mr smith goes to washington?

[@DeniseFaraday]

I forgot Kelly Rowland (Kia) was in this. I'm surprised Matt didn't recognize her.

[@jfrsnjhnsn]

Is Tom Myers the professor from your college also Tom Myers the famous comedian?

[@obscure.reference]

it’s no alien vs predator requiem

[@MegaTylerwilson]

Tray? Are you talking about TV Tray?

[@PeteDetective]

Lovely stuff. I very much enjoyed the jokes about Freddy's distinctive hat. May I ask if I can put a Seen It request here in the comments or whether I must fork out for a postcard and stamps to the U.S of A?

[@craigjohnson6423]

Though we always appreciate a bit of mail, leaving a Seen It request here works just as well.

[@aldeharp]

I saw Alien too young.

[@PixieLovesItAll]

18:12 Despite being a lifelong dedicated horror fan, I have a very similar story about watching Scary Movie 2 (the intro scene being a spoof of The Exorcist). I had siblings who were all 7+ years older than me so I watched it about age 5 and it TORMENTED me. Like cover my ears, "lalalalala", and run to the next room until it was over, STRESS. This was also the time when they rereleased The Exorcist with the Spider Walk deleted scene so it was EVERYWHERE. I still can't even see gifs of Regan without a chill going down my spine, even though I know it's not that scary by modern standards. Something about those high quality effects for the era + Mercedes McCambridge's voice still fucks me up, and demons are NOT my thing in terms of horror even now.

[@midnightchaseproject]

Long arms are creepy!

[@mrflibble3226]

Imobatine...

[@PinheadLarryVEVO]

Matt - personally I found Bone Tomahawk to be about a 4 out of 10 in scariness, and a pretty lame effort overall. I don’t think there’s any reason to avoid it aside from the fact it doesn’t live up to expectations…

[@annaheff7332]

I’m probably the only one, but I would like to hear Matt’s thoughts on Bone Tomahawk if he does ever watch it. I will admit, I didn’t watch it to the end. As an indigenous person there’s only so much I can take with that kind of movie. All I was thinking the whole time was, are we really still doing this in 2015? We still haven’t retired native cannibals as a horror topic at this point? There are lots of ways you can incorporate indigenous people and themes into a horror movie without resorting to that kind of lazy trope. Check out Blood Quantum or The Dead Lands for example.

[@SugarcatPlays]

It's a shame because the acting is so weak compared to Robert Englund who is incredibly funny yet horrifying as always

[@BishopWalters12]

The human characters were a little boring especially the two leads and I agree with Craig on that they made Jason look like a b@@@h at times but still a pretty fun movie. Not the best movie for Freddy or Jason but nowhere near the worst.

[@hull_k0gan641]

Hell yes! Just what I needed today. I’ve been binging re-runs of y’all’s old episodes. Love you dudes!

[@VECtehSEC]

Tom Myers, a comedian!

[@toyfreaks]

LOL "Craigsplaining"!

[@VECtehSEC]

Are y'all using a different lens or camera setup? The saturation and/or resolution seems different