Free-to-Play Battle Royales Are Ruining Video Games for Young Gamers

[@haroentmimi]

It feels like this video was made for me. I used to be of the crowd you talked about in the video, games were an evil thing in my eyes. Which comes as no surprise since I spent all of my free time playing League of Legends, Rocket League and Counter Strike. All three of these games fall in the toxic, free-to-play, never ending treadmill grindfest category. My way of thinking did not change until I gave Elden Ring a shot after a buddy of mine recommended it to me. Oh boy was I flabbergasted. Elden Ring is, in my eyes, a true 10/10 masterpiece, and it reinvigorated my love for videogames. After that I started diving into emulation and indie games, my mind was completely changed. Now I enjoy any singleplayer game I touch. Gaming is supposed to be fun. Sadly, free-to-play multiplayer games take the fun out of gaming by adding tons of grinding and a ranked ladder to a game. It turns gaming into a second job. I am so happy I did what I did and quit multiplayer games.

[@Moorethought]

Wow, thanks so much for the comment! Honestly, I think your gaming history there was pretty much what I had in mind when I was making the video, and it's fascinating to hear the perspective from someone like you about this. Glad you enjoyed Elden! I don't think multiplayer games like the ones I mentioned are necessarily bad, but it can feel like for every good part of those games, there are like 4-5 bad ones lol. Thanks so much for sharing!

[@DarkDemonXR]

Ironically Im completly the opisite of this ppl, I like to play all kinds of games and genres... but I have some friends often ending with the phrase "man Im bored, I dont know what to play, every game is s*** this days" sometimes they play a new game but they drop it in a few days, thanks to their personal competitive nature, so you can imagine what games they "enjoy"... they play the typical MP competitive and repetitive trendy games, Fortnite, Rocket league, LOL, counter etc... pretty much like you. All are screams and rage when they play. 🤣 Specially one of my friends, he sometimes tries games like elden or dark souls but since he is more used to fast paced games, he can rage quit this games in no time, because he doesnt have the patience to play or adapt to the game, that is a lot more slow than typical competitive game ^^U, usually blaming the game and how bad is made, cursing the game, the devs and everyone in the process😂, when most of the time he is to blame... Its sad but asking them to drop those games and try something new doesnt change much, they are adicted too much to the adrenaline this games give to the player. Oh and btw, although as I said, I always played all kinds of games and genres, I was hooked (in a way) to this games that I call them "infinite games", contraty to them, I enjoyed them, but I noticed at one point I wanted to play more games with an actual story/campaign and ending, summing up... in reality what I wanted is to play and finish all of those games I bought mindlessly because they were on sale on steam lol... Thats why I quit one of my favorite games after 5000h, Warframe, not because it was bad for me or boring, but because I saw the game didnt have any ending and every new update was, play, farm all the s*** and drop the game. Nowadays this "infinite games" I only play from time to time, to try them with other friends (not the ones adicted to pvp comp games 🤣), new MMOs, Gatchas, GaaS games (any new trendy f2p)... but after a while, usually no more than a month, I drop them. Not because Im bored of them, but because I know now where to click in my mind to say to myself, this is it, uninstall it... And I do this in the same way with stupid mindless adictive reels, shorts, tiktoks etc Warframe Obviously is not exactly the same like this adictive games, its a friendly pve game with no functional pvp at all, but as an example, is similar since we are in an gaming industry era full of Multiplayer games and companies trying to milk us with the new infinite GaaS game, to play endlessly every day, and if we can, paying in the process. And Warframe is known by being one of the best and more friendly economic games out there since you can farm with time anything and sell items in game to get the premium currency. PS: Sorry for the wall text :D

[@JurasSdz]

Im a psychologist in a school in Poland and i can confirm that almost every kid plays fortnite, roblox, brawl stars, minecraft or cs2. It's so rare to hear about some other games I rememberI was surprised that a kid was playing subnautica. It saddens me that the whole generation is molded by few addicting games (and all that shit from tiktok etc.) i think it's important for everybody and especially kids to experiance art in different ways and to develop some other skills than battleroyal shooter can teach you (atleast we have minecraft for creativity). I played CS when i was young but I also played games like Heroes 3 and other strategy games or games like Gothic with interesting narrative. I fear that most people don't see the danger of raising a generation of consumers and how we let children get addicted when their brain are vulnerable.

[@Moorethought]

Thanks for your feedback! Yeah, it's really worrying. I think it's fine if you just want to play like one or two games, but when these players forget that other games even exist and they get stuck in the endless playback loop, especially with these addictive games, it's bad. I have so many great memories of random video games I played growing up that really helped me love the genre even more, and as much as I liked playing popular straightforward shooters like Halo, I'm so glad I got to experience many other games, games that made me want to be creative and inspired me to create this channel. I hope other kids can get that inspiration too, and that we don't lose that.

[@aiodensghost8645]

I was a child when Minecraft was coming out on PC, but other than that I played a lot of TF2, NFS: Carbon and arcade games growing up (I also had Atari Anthology on my PS2)

[@darkbow12]

some how skyrim is not played by my generation :(

[@danielsicko8593]

At least those games are good and not hardcore cash grabs. At least they are not playing Diablo Immortal or RAID.

[@danielsicko8593]

Thats a huge step up from the old days where Poland would play super pay2win garbage like Metin2.

[@Chasemo]

37 year old here. I started gaming with the NES and DOS-era PC games, and started playing online multiplayer games in the mid 90's. The problem with alot of online multiplayer games from the past decade or so is that they fall into the category you bring up in this video, these esport ultra competetive games that are all about the grind. Games that people spend so much time playing, despite the fact that they're always miserable while playing them. As someone who started playing Counter-Strike when it was a user made Half-Life mod, I tried out competetive matchmaking in CS GO, and I didn't have fun, I wasn't happy, I didn't enjoy the experience. However, I had alot of fun playing the casual matchmaking (the 10vs10 mode where there wasn't MMR, you can drop in and drop out at anytime, a pool of maps that weren't in competetive, etc.), it reminded me alot of the classic Counter-Strike experience. Similar thing with the non-ranked mode in Rocket League, I had fun with that, especially when playing with friends. An online multiplayer game I played alot of recently was BattleBit, that game was alot of fun and it wasn't trying to do the nonsense that the games you brought up in this video do. But yeah, for the most part I only play single-player games these days.

[@donsph]

My kids (8 and 5) are not allowed to play any online games (roblox or f2p games). What they play as platforms, lego games, or beat em ups. I want them to experience what I did as a child and not those intentionally addictive, gambling like games.

[@JasonGyattollah2542]

What? Roblox is not a gambling game or one game, it's like the KZbin of gaming, and it's not hard(for me since I played Roblox for nine years and know how to use it ) to find non pay to win games( roblox is less ptw than a lot of Nintendo games let alone fortnite.) And besides if you want to teach your kid business you can have them create a group(you can create one for 1 euro or take an unclaimt group for free) or create a game for free. Roblox is not ptw other than it's avatars(which weren't even ptw until a year ago) If you want games less ptw then you should buy an Xbox 360 or ps3 ( I have 2 Xbox 360) because some of the games like Just Cause 2 and Skate 3 are even less ptw than Roblox.

[@NoshikiYT]

@@JasonGyattollah2542exactly

[@Delibelly99]

@@JasonGyattollah2542woah woah. Nintendo pay to win? What are you on about, they don’t even make competitive online games. There’s no pay to win in Nintendo games

[@JasonGyattollah2542]

@@Delibelly99 splatun and smash

[@olusegunbelcon]

Terrible decision

[@muwafaqmosa5303]

I don't blame them for not playing videogames, we grew up at a time where gaming was much better, nowadays games suck, there's too many sweats, more toxicity, and most are not fun anymore, etc better off not play all tougher cause it's just a pain to play.

[@japhethsinon6302]

I will agree with u but not on new games suck level, we have as much as good and bad like in the past, the difference is we have to much games now, there are good games I'm sure I never heard of, and what is that past we are talking about, 10 years old games are still modern games. It's like saying modern music is bad while it keeps selling making new fans, new artists popping new genres getting created. And I believe one of the reasons kids don't play other games is due to older gamers complaining about anything. Imagine being a kid liking a game and then u watch a 40 min video of a contrarian KZbinr shiting on ur game and other ones, I don't think u would try anything else and u will also become toxic and protective about the game u like.

[@Demi-Joker]

As a MASSIVE JRPG fan, it saddens me to hear that so many are playing intentionally addicting low-budget, free to play, live service shooters like Fortnite, Apex, and CoD, when they could be encapsulated in spectacular, grandiose stories such as Xenoblade Chronicles, Final Fantasy VII, and Trails in the Sky

[@anonymoustroll2432]

I want to like Genshin Impact but the fandom ruined it big time.

[@Zyxz]

Great video. Refreshing style (not just game drama or another review). Good critique with a clear view of multiple angles. Not just a "X" is wrong because of "Y", more like you understand "X" because of Y and Z.

[@Moorethought]

Thank you so much, I really appreciate the feedback!!

[@laamaster4461]

There comes a lot of people into mind that need to see this video. I already started playing indie and retro games before this video but most gamers actually think that competitive pay to win trash are the only good/existing games.

[@Narko_Marko]

I have accumulated around 800 hours in both apex and fortnite over the years since they came out and have played cs with my friends. But lately, in the last 2 ir 3 years I've mostly been playing singleplayer games because multiplayer just isn't fulfilling. No matter how many times you win you will have more room to improve and more things to do while in dark souls and elden ring you have a challenge that is hard and when you overcome it you win and that's it, onto the next experience.

[@alexhulea2735]

Fortnite, when it started was advertised as a zombie defense game with a build mechanic, and an optional pvp mode. Then i found out that the zombie mode was a paid feature, and the garbage royale was the standard game mode. but they advertised it as free zombie game anyway. can you guess what was the first thing to disappear from fortnite? yes, the thing thet used to advertise it in the beginning.

[@Comicedits39]

Save the world Was actually supposed to be free, but when they saw how much attraction the battle royale genre was getting, they decided to Switch their attention to that, and just a few years ago they decided to discontinued the development of save the world, nowadays you have to buy packs that can give you access to save the world for free in the item shop

[@metawarp7446]

Subscribed! Very interesting topic. It's wild that "Multiplayer PVP/PVE" is synonymous with "gaming" for many people This whole thing reminds of how "Addictive! ;)" is used in mobile game marketing... Because it seems like that's what many gamers have been conditioned to look for; addictive games I haven't really thought how "multiplayer live service" games are virtually a very different medium from "finite singleplayer" games. We should definitely talk more about that. Plus there is singleplayer games like roguelikes that have a semi-endless quality, which can be addictive Tbh a big reason why MPLS games are popular is the ease of playing them with friends. That's also why Minecraft is so popular. But it's quite hard to make a profitable F2P/cheap multiplayer game that's NOT a live service focused on microtransactions. EXCEPT maybe, again, roguelikes? Also I want to recommend a finite singleplayer game: "Gravity Circuit", which I'm literally re-playing right now :) (great action, great story, great art, great music) Edit: Also, I have never owned any "gamepasses", but they could be a great solution for "non-addictive games to play with friends online" (also for kids)

[@Moorethought]

Oh my gosh I loved Gravity Circuit!! I've even been thinking about using it for a video all about how great it was and how it's emblematic of a "sit down, have fun, beat it, move on" type of game that we don't really get as much! Good point about the "addictive" term too, I can see how developers and publishers might want to use that very word for those reasons. I am really interested in how these live service games are virtually their own genre, and how they've strayed so far away from so many classic pillars of video games (music, writing/story, easter eggs, "finishing" games, etc.). Lots of great points, thanks so much for your comment!!

[@dandre3K]

In game theory a game is necessarily multiplayer. Single player games are mostly not games in a strict sense, alot of elaborate puzzle solving or navigation challenges very little interplay even in combat and no agency from the opposition.

[@LuckyOfNoble]

The first game i remember playing was Pokémon Red on a Gameboy Color, which is older than me, and gave me a solid enjoyment for team building, RPGs, 8-bit styles, top down POV and even sidescrollers (that last one might've been castle crashers)

[@_The_Traveler_]

Warframe is probably the only free-to-play game I would feel comfortable allowing my child to spend money in (I'm not a parent yet but I want to be). You get tons of value for your money (often times more than you're actually paying for), the credits you buy to use in the shop have a really clean conversion rate, you don't actually have to buy anything to enjoy everything the game has to offer, the purchases don't give anyone any unfair advantages in the game or otherwise limit your enjoyment if you don't have them, most of what is offered in the shop that isn't a skin can be earned by simply playing the game, and probably best of all...there's no gambling mechanic involved. You're not spinning a wheel 30 times in the hopes you finally roll that rare drop, which is actually just one of maybe 30 or 50 or 100 pieces you have to collect before you actually get the item you're spinning the wheel for in the first place. You just pay your money, and you get exactly what was advertised. You can even see what it will look like before you buy it, just total and utter transparency. That's the only standard I'm going to accept as a parent in the new gaming landscape. If you can't be transparent with me about how I'm spending my money, I'm not giving it to you. End of story, no after-credits stinger. Edit: Even though it's not a free-to-play game, Elden Ring is another great example of complete transparency. They literally let us have the game early so we could pick apart the pieces and review the game's foundation before release, so new buyers that hadn't pre-ordered could see what their money would get them. FromSoft even encouraged people to post reviews of the game, instead of what you usually hear when a AAA developer decides to pull a Frieza and lasers copy-strike holes through random channels that are just trying to bring positive attention to the game. It was all handled out in the open, and I can't express how respectable that kind of self-imposed accountability is.

[@warmike]

I would not draw a distinction between free and paid games. They both use the same mechanics, such as "EOMM" (Engagement-Optimized Matchmaking), which basically rigs the matchmaking to give a good experience to players who the algorithm thinks will otherwise quit the game, at the expense of the players who the algorithm thinks will keep playing no matter what. And while free games such as Fortnite and League of Legends use it, it is the most prominent in Call of Duty, a full-price game.

[@toyo8460]

Exactly, video games can tell absolutely breathtaking immersive stories, indie games are the best ones most of the time because they are made by people that actually just want to make an amazing piece of art, not a company trying to exploit vulnerable individuals into spending money. There are even some "free to play" indie games that don't have any of these mechanics, they're actually just free because the creators want more people to be able to experience it. Doesn't mean that there aren't great big companies that actually want to make a masterpiece but it's definitely a lot rarer than with indie devs and indie studios. I do think your fighting game example is also predatory though, imo dlc should only really be story expansions or other stuff that actually adds more content into the game, not a bunch of outfits or whatever.

[@boblawblaw6185]

All Free to play games ruin a genre, Free to play MMORPGs were actually the first genre to be ruined but overall they aren't as popular and remained more "nerdstream" than shooters. So no one did or said anything as tons of NCsoft and perfect world games/reskins ruined the market. But all those free to play korean MMORPGs that had the same "slay x monsters at lvl 1, and slay x^x monsters at level 100" caused paid games like WOW to adopt similar engagement models and many of the Free MMORPGs became pay to win. Moden gatcha games like genshin are actually the evolution of those free to play asian mmorpgs where they just remove the pvp or mmo portion all together so now there is no hiding hard pay to win micro transactions because its not affecting anyone but whales who already bought into the system by being unironic whales. Valorant is no better although it is not a BR it is the same principle , free game with very expensive micro transactions matching people to other players who don't have the digital trinkets trying to Fomo people into buying them. Fortnite takes it a step further with the bloom mechanic and tighter SBMM and warzone is the most egregious, outright lying about their match making techniques and pattens where there's too many video clips of Warzone showing no registering bullets from higher skilled players to receiving low skilled players and training dummies to dismiss it as net code. The only way to have fun at this point in Fortnite Apex or Warzone is to use aimbot and walls or esp, because they aren't skill games, they are slot machines dressed up as skill games and anything that actually thinks they are skilled are delusional. Those games let and Pick certain people to win because they serve a purpose to the bottom line of the game. CSGO might be the only fair free to play game still in existence because it was before all these scummy scamming algorithms and the team never plans to implement them. it may sound mean or ignroant, but once the korean games start in on genre that genre has about 4 or 5 years before people realize its gone to shit and a cash grab. Koreans do not tend to make videogames the way Japanese and Western Devs make games as entertainment and art. Korean "gaming" is all about scamming the player and robbing them of time because those companies already see the players as "undesirables" in life. But you have so many weebs that will simp for korean games and Chinese games and make excuses for these companies being predatory while actually being racist themselves because what they are really using to represent the group are japanse games and companies in one incorrect lumpsum. Korean and Chinese games are very very bad for the gaming market. There's a reason Tencent owns 100% of Riot Games( League of Legends, Valorant, etc) and Tencent owns 40% of Epic Games( Fortnite), and both of those publishers follow the toxic free to play live service model almost predatorily. Stop playing Free to play games, stop downloading and playing Korean/Chinese games. I'm only going to say it one more time now that I've gotten to the point of the video about fighting games. Yes current fighting games do use some of the similar tactics F2P games and are live service games... but look at what is coming down the pipe There are Free 2 Play Super Smash bro clones out now and developing. Then ONCE AGAIN you have Riot games making a League of Legends themed SF style fighter that WILL be F2P. TAKE THE WARNING SERIOUSLY . THERE CERTAIN GAMES TIED TO CERTAIN COUNTRIES PEOPLE NEED TO STOP PLAYING FOR THEIR MENTAL HEALTH AND BETTERMENT OF SOCIETY.

[@astrea555]

Imagine growing up in a world where you got tousands of videogames to catch up many of them released before you were event born and you can easily get most of them for dirt cheap if not actually free.. yet you spend all your time on Fortnite. Couldn't be me. Poor zoomers.

[@Aperson-62]

I'm 33 and I only play one free to play game, Magic the Gathering Arena. Even then I don't spend any real money on it, but then I'm old enough to see sense. I'm sure there are plenty of people my age who want to share their passions with someone and for them to fall in love with the games we did growing up even if the growing realities of adult life get in the way of what we want to do and how we want our kids to experience the kind of games we grew up with. But in reality newer framchises with less history behind them are more likely to get kids involved and unfortunately these end up taking the form of the likes of Fortnite, PUBG etc. The game that kids have to play if they want to be seen as cool while they're still at an age to think that matters most. Meanwhile traditional games like Mario, Sonic, Pokemon and the countless indies inspired by them which would be a far better introduction to young gamers for many people are mainly being bought with the people who grew up on those franchises or the adults who never really grew up and want to continually relive their childhood. Many indie games cannot afford advertising and some are so ambitious that the entire budget gets spent on the game leaving them stranded in obscurity. And not everyone is wanting to check out indies because most people aren't that knowledgeable about gaming as a whole. They just see the declining quality in the AAA gaming industry as a whole and think that gaming itself is dying because its most popular outputs are of a declining quality. Maybe forgetting that some indie games like Undertale. Celeste, Hollow Knight and Pizza Tower have all become massively popular themselves and are the leading lights of the indie genre which has so many quality games come out that are barely even talked about.

[@Neon_Bayhem]

People who quit video games should quit video games. I'm ok with people quitting. It's not for everyone. I'm in my 40s and I enjoy live service games. My first one was Warframe and I've played many since. I do play Fortnite and Genshin Impact but I've taken a break to go back to my backlog. Some people who play only F2P games don't want to play other types of games just like some CoD and Madden and FIFA players only play those and will never touch another game. Many people my age are like that. In highschool I was an outcast for being a gamer. Those bullies only play CoD or Madden now. My sibs kids play F2P games. It's a social thing.

[@Chasodey]

Even free-to-play multiplayer games can be a good gaming experience. If you already have some form of gaming culture. Me is a gamer since my youngest times and I find joy in both singleplayer and multiplayer games. But since we are talking about the addicting nature of online, they are reeeally can squeeze you out dry unless you have the spine against them. But at the same time they can give unique experience they are also can be considered as an option today's evening. And what to do? Consider them as a trap into a high level zone like a transporter chest in Elden Ring, if you're underleveled you will be crushed by the enemies. But if you walk into them being seasoned already they won't be that tough for you. And singleplayer games are these perfect journeys to level up and build you gaming culture because they usually treat you, the player, as an equal. And when a young player at first will have a singleplayer joy and learn how to appreciate multiple sides of a game then they can try playing online. I had a ton of good hours spent in Dota 2, I love this game. But the majority of my playtime in my life was spent on singleplayer games. That's why I know how to appreciate the artstyle of Dota, its soundtrack, its flow of gameplay. Because I already know how to appreciate other games like Diablo 2, Doom and Quake, Fear, Warcraft 3, Need for speed games like Underground 2, Dragon Age: Origins, I've played a lot of good games in my childhood and I still play a bigger lot of good titles today alongside with multiplayer experience. Today I enjoy the Witcher series after rereading all the books and tomorrow I have some good games online in Dota or scratch my itch for shooters in Team Fortress 2 or XDefiant. All games are good, especially in moderation. And it's easier to moderate your time and gaming experience with singleplayer so that's why young kids should be introduced into gaming with classics or modern masterpieces rather than your time casinos.

[@aboxmanforeal]

In my opinion, kids should watch this. If they knew what was happening, they probably would have tried to get over there “addiction”. I want the. Next generation to succeed, but if they don’t stop their “addiction”, the next generation would not succeed.

[@domovoi_0]

Good stuff brother. Love and blessings!

[@crazychadmb]

Me, myself, personally as a person have listened to a few Dan Ariely books. So I see the manipulation that companies do to reel you in

[@peanhead2543]

i stuck on alot Liveservice game when covid struck (genshin, valorant, lol, hsr, and tof) and late last year i finally leaving all of that behind, despite already spending shit load of money, and return to single player game and im not looking back no more, playing AC6, Bloodborne, RE2+4 Remakes, FFXVI + VIIR, Ghost of Tsushima, Like a Dragon series, Death stranding, baldur's gate 3, and of course Elden Ring (heck even replaying MGS1,2,3+V again) give me the joy i've been looking for while playing liveservice game, sadly getting old mean im little bit too picky when it comes to video game, need a sweet spot between narative and gameplay, to the point some of critical acclaimed games like recent GoW, Horizon, AC series, Hogwarts, RDR2, and Spider-Man doesn't really connect with me. also atleast on Tekken 8 and SF6 Namco and Capcom doesn't sell the important character on the story mode as a DLC, which is why f*** MK1 and WB games with all that bullcrap

[@Moorethought]

Thanks for the comment! Yeah, I got into a lot of the games I mentioned in the video during Covid, but those games never hooked me like the other narrative acclaimed ones you mentioned. It's hard to find that sweet spot though, and I've definitely gone through periods where I just don't feel like anything.

[@Anders-y8c]

When you said subscribe I thought Damm only 676 subs that’s crazy so I had to subscribe

[@Moorethought]

Thank you!

[@Boruc.o]

Bro ur a gem yt has kinda been stale and fludded with 10 min hyper edited videos this was such a breath of fresh air thank you so much ❤

[@Moorethought]

Wow, thank you so much! It's comments like these that truly make my day. Thank you!!

[@Sixshot_ninjaconsultant]

Our generation games didn't end in the credits, at least for me, i started them over again and again, i can't say how many times i played transformers war and fall of cybertron, crash of the titans, or star wars battlefront 2 from 2005, but i admit i'm fighting against the "urge for the new" of modernity, have replayed new games less times for that, and for then been bigger as well, really liked the video, this increasing quit videogames videos worries me we are going back to 90s and early 2000 videogame hate that was so hard to get partially rid of, as a Brazilian, there are still game hating on the media from time to time

[@otakuatarigamer]

I’m Gen Z and i grew up with a lot of retro games. I’ve had a Mega Drive and Original Gameboy since i was six years old and have always loved them both, despite growing up in the Wii/PS2 era. A lot of other people my age (and slightly younger - like my nephew) play these F2P games. I personally NEVER understood the appeal of them.

[@S9uareHead]

Excellent video. Our generation has the context of knowing the difference between paid and F2P games and can often notice and reject the most blatant F2P practices. Kids have no such luxury. :(

[@anonymoustroll2432]

This has nothing to do with free to play games but i already retired from gaming because i became overprotective with my games fearing that they will break or stop working after i lost my entire pokemon collection back in 2019. I only focus on collecting retro games that i never had as a child but need to protect them always from disc rotting or my parents that wants to destroy all of my valuables.

[@vorips]

Honestly i can see the effects of it on myself, i'm still young, i'm only 20 but i remember how seeing a new crate drop in team fortress 2 two or six years ago made me want to gamble my whole allowance away just to maybe get that one skin. Now luckily i see how stupid that process is so i try to stray away but i've only managed to get out of it because of my friends and people around me who influenced my actions in a good way. I am so glad that some of my best mates are older than me, and that they grew up on old classic titles like silent hill 1 some of the first fallout games if not for them i probably wouldn't have been so hooked on amazing story games nowadays i mainly play 1 live service game as my main game, but on the side when not playing with friends i love to boot up elden ring, yes your grace or any other singleplayer experience.

[@Moorethought]

Thanks for the comment! I really appreciate the insights. Yeah, that moment when you saw the crate, that's really powerful. I think a lot of people can play these games, have fun, and not let them make them feel bad or addicted, but like you said, a lot of these games are just really addictive and can affect a lot of people. Glad you're having a great time playing games now!

[@Triface-s9s]

Good job on the video, it comes across as authentic. I agree with the different points you put forth in the video. Little older than you, used to collect video games from Atari until the end of the PS3/360/Wii era. The nostalgia is real. I've been seeing the same trend, I wouldn't let my kids play these kinds of games along with mobile games because of how many predatory practices that are now being employed. They want to hook them early so that the predatory environment is all they know, they just accept it as it bring normal when it wasn't always like that. Same with social media and smart phones. I'm of the mind that they shouldn't have those until they're 18 years old. If they need a phone, get them a flip-phone. I'm personally going to have my kids learn digital literacy through a desktop computer, no tablets or smart phones, and access to games without those practices while eventually teaching them about those predatory practices as they get older so that they can recognize them. There is no way to 100% protect them as eventually they'll become adults, but hopefully they'll have the tools needed to avoid the worse of it.

[@NoshikiYT]

Yeah

[@GenesisAUT]

Its so weird, like I was always a gamer since I was like 9 or 10. But the current generation is spending more time on games than me, but most of them play like 2-3 Games for months and years. I usually complete a few AAA and dozens of small Games each year.

[@JasonGyattollah2542]

If they play 2 games it means those games are better than average. I played Skate 3 and Roblox for years

[@NoshikiYT]

@@JasonGyattollah2542same I still like Roblox

[@AZthemute]

Great video! Although, I would like if you went into more depth at 5:41 on how these games operate like casinos, or some of the tactics they do use. For example, Fortnite's battle pass costs 950 V-Bucks, which is just shy of the minimum purchase, which is 1000. You'll probably buy the 1000 pack to get the battle pass, but that leaves you with 50 left, meaning you have some spare in-game money, incentivising you to continue spending since you don't want want to waste that 50. Or, for Genshin Impact, you have to go through so much bullshit to gamble. You buy Crystals, then convert them into gems (thankfully at a 1:1 ratio), then buy pulls, then you pull. It's 4 steps between spending money and gambling, which helps to further separate the fact that you're spending real money, similar to chips. 160 gems = 1 pull, and 160 isn't an intuitive number like 100 that's easy to do mental arithmetic with. There's also the same issue as above with all purchase amounts being unequal, and the purchase screen generally being quite confusing (I would go in-depth, but that would be very confusing, so just check the wiki if you care to figure out the mess of a currency system). At the very least, the 1:1 conversion ends up making the unequal amounts not much of a big deal, but you will need to get a calculator out if you don't want to overspend for a specific character. But you probably will anyway, since it's gambling. There are also lots of ice breakers like first purchase bonuses, special deals, starter packs, etc. that help to onboard you into spending your money too. Seeing your friends or content creators spend thousands on these games is the same social proof as casinos telling everyone that you've won the jackpot: it just helps to normalise this habit. The thrill of seeing the golden colours and "will it be the correct character?" because of course there's multiple layers of gambling. It's also a good idea to talk about FOMO, like how certain things are available for a limited time, or sunk cost fallacy. tl;dr games are just casinos now, I would've liked to see some more in-depth analysis on this. Maybe that could be another video? There's a lot more to talk about here, like live service games shutting down or locking you into online accounts as a way to force you into FOMO and gambling mechanics. I can talk more about this, but this comment is way too long already.

[@mdpl-05]

all items in fortnite other than the battle pass cost a multiple of 100. there is no way to "not waste" the 50 because there is nothng you can buy that will use it up. it just means that your currency total ends in 50 until you buy the next battle pass. it's just a leftover from the first ever battle pass being discounted from 1800 and it sticking at that price point ever since.

[@Moorethought]

Wow, I should just quote everything you wrote down here! Excellent points. Yeah, the whole "upgrades cost 9 but you can only buy intervals of 10" tactic is terrible and worse, it works on people who don't want to "waste" the money. Thanks so much for your feedback, I was really fascinated reading your comments. Definitely will keep your points in mind for future videos!

[@ProrokLebioda]

I remember playing only single player games in my younger years. I loved every minut of it, even with janky games (looking at you Two Worlds). I had no internet at the time. When I finally had a chance to play online competitive games I was lost. I mostly played those kind of games, feeling tired and depressed. I even gave up video games for a year. Only after I bought a console I got back into games. I've upgraded my PC later, continued playing to this day. I sometimes have a lapse of judgement and try those F2P competitive games, but quickly realize it's 'empty calories' type of enjoyment.

[@StardustCrusader18]

Cool video. I subscribed. Hope you make more in-depth videos like these in the future.

[@Moorethought]

Thank you so much!! That's the plan!

[@gamingwithshashaichi]

Yes bro you read my thoughts...the repetition games sucks... grinding in gym is better rather than grinding in games🤣

[@kael070]

hard to not make the "kids are stupid" comment when the kid who stopped playing games put every videogame in history in the same sack without much research on if every game was as predatory as the games he choose to play 😂

[@pls_stap_]

While I enjoy Fortnite BR myself, yeah, I do see a lot of the FOMO stuff being quite problematic for younger people. I actually got quite invested into its lore, but oooh boy, it still has a lot of potential that hasn't been met yet! While I do love its collaborations, I do think it should focus more on its original stuff for a bit to create a balance, and to further explain what's going on in a season, along with filling a few plotholes that were left from previous chapters. I personally prefer playing multiplayer games over single player games because I get to bond with my friends! I still enjoy singeplayer games (I've been playing Sam & Max: Beyond Time and Space Remastered and CnC Red Alert 2 very lately), but sometimes in a middle of a playthrough, I kinda feel...lonely? There are a few live services that are great and aren't as predatory as the "main liveservice Battle Royales" like Deep Rock Galactic and Splatoon 3!

[@Narko_Marko]

A lot of people feel lonely playing singleplayer games but i feel lonely playing multiplayer games if I'm not with my friends.

[@pls_stap_]

@@Narko_Marko frankly that's what I feel in every multiplayer game I've played with a friend/s at least once before...even stuff like TF2 and DRG lmaooo; heck this happens when I've been playing a singleplayer game that I've streamed to a friend lol The feeling I'm experiencing is not noticable at all until I'm in a loading screen lol, but I am kinda getting used to it, and in a way, it kinda makes me more hyped/hopeful for whenever my friends hangout with me online again lol (this does indeed eventually happen)

[@olusegunbelcon]

I love playing video gsmes but also I love taking breaks from it so when I come back it will feel fresh

[@DynamicOverload]

Great Video. Totally agree with you. But I would even say that most Modern/Current Tripple A Games are the problem - luckily there are still exceptions out there. But Games nowadays are objectively worse than previous generations. • Day One Patches, Broken Games on launch and missing features/content • Grindy and artificial created problems to sell you XP Boosters and InGame currency even in Singleplayer Games. • Always Online, you don't own anything and everything can be altered to the publishers intentions. • Mainstream appeal so it makes its millions spend in development back, but are therefore uninspired and lack any character • Everything needs to be sanitized, so no one gets offended. This makes everything feel even more stale. •Less new ideas, to minimize financial failure every idea is played safe. Why create new IPs when you can make Remake after Remaster after Port. • Skill Based and Engagement Based Matchmaking • Microtransactions and InGame currency • Everything is now online, no local Multiplayer options and the Online stuff is now highly moderated. •To much focus on graphical Fidelity and beeing "cinematic" instead of focusing on Gameplay and innovation.

[@Plexicraft]

Really enjoyed getting your perspective on this! I did my final project for my MBA on “Games as a service” and you concisely summarized quite a bit of what took me months of research and (reams of paper!) to say. Your casino comparison and examples were excellent and I might add that the variable reward and fomo of what might be in a rotating shop (as well as whatever flavor of loot boxes that these games often have) are other foundations for that comparison. Btw the quality in the video was top notch, what do you use to record video and audio if you don’t mind me asking?

[@SK1PPY5]

Underrated channel. Can't wait to see how the channel grows and progresses. Subbed :)

[@Moorethought]

Thank you so much!! I really appreciate that!

[@kukukachu]

Great video man. Your editing style reminds me of a game dev, O and Co games. You got that kind of vibe.

[@Moorethought]

Thank you! I just subscribed to them, thanks for letting me know!

[@Lape2210]

Your channel is really underrated!

[@Moorethought]

Thank you so much!!!

[@CaptinNabil7]

I guess you could say, as a Late Millennial, from 1996, I'm pretty lucky with how I grew up on playing Video Games. Being how from my childhood, in the Late 90s, and Early 2000s, almost all of the Games I've played, in my life, had no involvement of things like Micro-transactions, DLC's, let-alone no Internet requirements. Which why would they? For games like MARIO KART DOUBLE DASH, Sonic the Hedgehog 1-3, Crash Bandicoot, Need for Speed Underground, PC games like Freddi Fish, etc. What makes me a pretty lucky gamer, is how I never exposed myself to these garbage live service games, like Fortnite, Minecraft, and other junk. Because I don't see what's the appeal in them. Otherwise, I wouldn't still be in the hobby, had I been exposed to them.

[@CaptinNabil7]

On a side note, this video feels real helpful in fighting my frustrations. Especially, when hearing the fact that Video Games that aren't "Live-Service," like Fortnite, Roblox, and Valorant to name a few, aren't manipulative in comparison to the aforementioned. Especially when they provide amazing quality in more than just gameplay alone. It applies to its artistic directions, its style, its music, its captivating stories, and overall presentation. All of which are bound to leave an impact in the hearts of many gamers. Average, or dedicated gamers.

[@Willgame21]

i stopped playing counter strike after a chinese man would just scream and shoot me because i was not feeling it at that moment. Legit got me to play a whole world of new games from small to large. I enjoy shoot and free to play at times but they dont hook me like they used to back in high school. Hope there will be people that starts to grow tired of free to play and give smaller indie games a try.

[@OpticOlympus]

I’m 16 and for me I stopped playing free to play games mainly halo infinite because it got to money hungry and didn’t give any new content. And most people my age don’t play any narrative games but I personally find those the best types of games like borderlands, fallout, The Halo Campaigns, Bioshock, Dead Space and Doom (i never like warzone or the other free to play games you mentioned)

[@zzqart]

I strongly recommend playing sonic heroes because it doesn't have microtransactions and honestly feels most like a video game modern games are made fundamentally differently so i think people should go back and play paper mario thaosand year door sonic adventure 2 and sonic heroes those were the best games ive played ive played them 17 years ago and they are still good today the classics will allways be better because newer games arent the same

[@_.Sc.y]

play old games problem solved. games rn arent gonna get fun.

[@5hane9ro]

Live service is conceptually great since it's just a game that gets consistent updates, but the only ones handled well are PvE games like Helldivers 1 & 2, W40k Darktide & Deep Rock Galactic

[@thatboydopey5639]

Truthfully I have a love and hate relationship for a game called “ *rainbow 6 six siege* “

[@Xedhadeaus]

Gaming has become merged with itself as a social hub. A lot of these games you're mentioning have hobbies where people interact with each other, converse and engage with other common minded people. The problem with this is that the all encompassing hub means that the people who only play these types of games have very little use in things like discord or any other centralized chat hub in order to talk, and are also discouraged to use those mediums (On console) because using party chat will render them unable to communicate with their team of most likely strangers or non friends. So leaving this all encompassing game leaves a hole in people socially as well. Even if those people like other games, keeping current with skins and socializing about them and when or how they got them is probably wholly encouraged by the Publishers of each of these games. Getting people to pay to champion the latest skin and shame others without skins or outfits makes them money and enforces the idea that the first money the lacking person gets will more than likely go toward those purchases instead of ones that have more longevity. I am torn about it unfortunately. As a kid who had no money I would have relished in games like this, but because I have money now, the appeal of sinking money into a platform that is a downward spiral of reputation and FOMO only appeals to me socially because making friends is so difficult because people aren't encouraged to talk to each other and the only real good multiplayer games are these aggressive cash grabs. An even more critical point is that these free to play titles are some of the only games you can play for free in multiplayer without paying for online. You're basically funneled into this experience if you're a kid who can't convince your folks to renew the subscription. And even if you do pay, all it takes is one of their friends to sucker them into it because their parents didn't pay for their online. It's such a well built trap. I've always been shamed for avoiding free to play games... So it's nice to see there's a few other-people out there that understand how much restraint needs to be used while playing. It looks like I said a lot but I'm sure most know I haven't even scratched the surface. Free trials that auto renew, having almost enough free paid credits to get something nice, the battle pass promising to only need to be bought once if you complete it, solidifying your commitment to the game.... Ugh.

[@krono5el]

those poor bastards were just victims of growing up in the wrong era or parents who never showed the the true beauty of video games before free to play battle royals and minecraft. live service games are all trash and not even games.

[@Nintendofanboy101-yk8ro]

omg, I can't like this video enough! Yeah! Those "gaming is a waste of time" videos are so bad. Like if they just only talked to people who were addicts and left every other gamer out of it, then it would be fine and the fact that they talk mostly about live service games too, that just takes the cake. Me? I grew up with Nintendo obviously and so I'm more into arcade, story based games(especially rpg's), action games, and platformers. The electric underground said it best. The arcade era of gaming is way better than the live service era. Lastly I do disagree that non live service games aren't addicting. When I play a really interesting story based rpg or even Ninja gaiden these days, I won't lie, I can play hours on end sometimes.

[@Gamergodgric]

I play alot of free to play games. Alot of them I just drop and then move onto another. Even I have noticed how crazy the gaming industry has become. I bought a full priced game and they out a "battlepass" machanic. Honestly it sucks. Because I don't really want to feel blocked off when I buy a full game. I have bought microtransactions. But I've done it very rarely. I mainly felt like I was rewarding the company for making a good game.

[@JasonGyattollah2542]

The f2p games your playing must be some real brainrot. Probably fortnite? I got bored of it rq.

[@Gamergodgric]

@PAINt0theMAX you could consider all games brain rot if you think of them as a waste of time. I think of video games as a positive. They help me focus and help me learn how to problem solve. I play fortnite. Ive realized I can just play when they have events, and I'll never really miss out on anything. The game gets boring if there's no quests to complete. So I only play when there's special tasks to do.

[@JasonGyattollah2542]

@@Gamergodgric Nice, in a DIFFERENT video, I actually already told someone that!

[@AltairEgoX]

Battleborn scar'd me for life 😢... Such a great game with such great characters and yet it died on the vine mostly due to greed and poor foresight like EVOLVE.🎉

[@tacooty]

i miss when fortnite used to not fit into this category. It was a fun and enjoyable battle royale, but over time they added more and more manipuliative features which hook you. The modern fortnite system of their new collab based mini battle passes are so annoying and messed up. Fortnite's battle passes used to be fairly easy to complete and gave you enough vbucks to buy the next one, sure they did rely on FOMO, but you had MONTHS to finish them. But now they give you 2 or 3 weeks and you have to play everyday or almost everyday to finish it. And they lock away fan favorite characters from other franchises. This video made me realise how far fortnite has fallen over the years. I dont fall for the tactics, i just play for fun with my friends and stop when im not having fun. But i feel bad for the kids who werent trained to deal with these manipulation tactics.

[@Comicedits39]

Your Complaining about nothing, Fortnite has had the same battle pass system since chapter 1, And Fortnite seasons nowadays are way longer Than Fortnite season in the old days, seasons in chapter 1 would come out 2-3 months apart from each other, and unless you were playing all the time, you didn’t have time to finish the Bp, nowadays you like 4-5 months to finish them, and the mini pass are the same too, mini battle pass skins can return to the item shop, just recently they announced that starting In their next season (which is a marvel theme) future battle passes are no longer exclusive, and after 18 months they have a chance to return to the item shop.

[@DeathSquared7]

I think you’re missing the point the manosphere guys are making. They’re not mad about addictive video games they’re mad about any and all video games because they’re a distraction from real life. They wouldn’t care whether you’re playing Fortnite or Silent Hill 2.

[@Narko_Marko]

What is real life and what isn't a distraction from it? Literally anything other than making money and getting bi*ches is a distraction to those guys.

[@liamcollinson5695]

I know a few kids who grew out of these sorta games thankfully now they play multiple different games instead of just fortnite

[@asherwiggin6456]

Thanks for the great video. I'm going to go back to playing Halo CE now

[@Moorethought]

Tell Cortana I said hello

[@AltairEgoX]

I would just be cautious about purchasing any video game with a live service connection attached. Smite is literally the only game that is free to play and has no gimmicks beyond the pure awesomeness of it.🎉

[@TerrorSyxke]

I grew up with a ps2 and ds lite from about 2010-2015 (got a ps3 in 2015 and a 2ds a year later) so i really never got much into the f2p stuff, still prefer okder games over the newerr stuff because of how greedy and how graphics over gameplay they became

[@snowflake4108]

I've said this multiple times to my friends that most f2p games make you paly and they bever listen. I play dark souls fuilty gear and metroidvanias and i can give many praises to why they are good. But free to play games are mostly soulless cash grabs that are constantly forcing you to never leave the game. In a game like guilty gear strive when i feel tired i just click off. No battlepass for grinding no items to unlock i know i have time to keep playing but in other free games these limited time items make you spend hours just to get something meaningless

[@souljarohill8795]

I kind of think this isn’t the best take. I don’t have kids yet, still in college and young, would love some in the future. Other than games that are rated M or older or depending on my kids age what the game is about, I don’t think I would see myself not letting them play a certain game. I can see a limit but I don’t know If I would see myself kind of forcing my kid to play Mario for instance but they would rather gravitate towards fortnight. I would encourage them to play all games outside of battle royale as it’s more fulfilling as you said. Maybe I took your take wrong but yea I don’t think I would do that. The battle royale is the in thing for the kids now. Doesn’t mean it will be 10 years from now. Especially since a lot of the story mode games that are really good now are more mature rated. GTA6 is coming out soon. If I had a kid they wouldn’t be able to play that like my parents did me. Games like saints row. Games like battlefield. Sometimes even call of duty. A lot of these games are great but aren’t really kid friendly.

[@danielsicko8593]

How are BRs not designed to end? They are ending when a winner is found. Thats every multiplayer PvP game ever

[@davidagiel8130]

PvE is the best experience now

[@thedevilofparadis6107]

I play only premium games on my phone and none of that free to play garbage

[@ultimategamer0505]

Remember me when youre famous

[@Moorethought]

*frantically writes username down

[@danielsicko8593]

CS is the same basic game at its core since 1.6 Old semi liveservice games like Diablo 2 are not much different than something like Path of Exile today Children plays Mario and Zelda as well. Look how much the Switch sold.

[@disoti]

Great video dude!

[@mdpl-05]

another silly fearmongering "the children!!" take. video game addiction among kids isn't a genre-specific problem, it's a problem with parents not establishing their kids into good routines, spending habits and anger management. anything in overwhelming excess is a problem.

[@temtem9255]

"Casino's didn't do anything wrong, people should just quit gambling!"

[@mdpl-05]

@@temtem9255 I think you replied to the wrong comment.

[@srgreeniii]

64. I enjoyed pubG right after an update, when the hacks were neutralized. Then it went F2P and they quit trying to stop hackers. Played the crap out of H1Z1 till the game went crap.Hate fartnite. 50 years of gaming, worst I have seen the industry.

[@arandomkaz]

Im sad that i can't even fimdva good battle royale, for me all of them suck and the only reason i still play BUBG is that it is the last of its kind. I either play it to kill empty time or play with friends, the rest is spent playing other stuff like Isaac or my other consoles i collect for, some games i never even played when i first own a 360 for example. A lot of cool stories are there and kids are sitting there playing fortnite. I remember me and a childhood friend used to literally play all the MMO's out there. We would download it, play until lvl 30 or so, then look for another one. 😂

[@Eniggma39]

Just add a level editor to single games I still play Sonic Robo Blast 2 do this day because the community keep adding levels new skins and characters.

[@Jonyi100]

for myself i mostly quit competetive pvp games. i play more mmorpgs and CO op games which makes just more fun. the only battle roale game i like is fortnite. But its because i played fortnite before the Br was the big thing.

[@TerrorSyxke]

Nintendo stuff and consoles as a whole is getting way too overpriced

[@MusaRaza-xy8vg]

Hey,13 year old here , I own and Xbox 360 and I only play old offline games like assassins creed street fighter tekken need for speed watch dogs and bioshock and I very much dislike the new garbage games kids my age are playing (sorry for bad English it isn’t my first language

[@gfuviddisf]

Well yeah, if youre bad you dont get any enjoyment from playing BRs, winning is very thrilling, very comparable with beating a hard and well designed boss. 10:51 Also what game makes you pay for more gaming experiences? Fortnite sure as hell doesnt

[@JasonGyattollah2542]

Someone with serious brainrot made this. He thinks Roblox is a battle royale now

[@dandre3K]

@@JasonGyattollah2542The lack of basic research from video essayists is cartoonish now mfers just be yapping

[@NoshikiYT]

Honesty the only games I play are fall guys Wuwa and Roblox most of these live service games are pretty meh besides the only one that looks interesting is warzone mobile especially since I’ve played it once and it’s actually decent surprisingly

[@adultmoshifan87]

I am an avid gamer and will continue to be for as long as I live. The gaming scene is a hot mess right now and these non-gamers you speak of are just using that to make these clickbait videos you speak of. I am very well aware of “free to play” shit like Fortnite, Candy Crush and PUBG. They’re giving video games a bad name and are the products of companies caring more about money than giving gamers a genuinely fun experience! Since shortly before the PS4 arrived, game companies shifted from making genuinely good games to churning out shit for a quick buck, releasing alpha builds as “finished” products, nickel and diming gamers for loot boxes and in game currency and more live service games than there are people on the planet! The gaming scene was perfectly fine in the 90s and 2000s, but game companies in the PS4 years just got greedy! If Fortnite and PUBG are the norm, what will it take to put things right? I do enjoy modern games like Super Mario Bros Wonder and Super Monkey Ball: Banana Rumble, but when I see kids these days, they seem to only want to play Fortnite and only ever spend their pocket money on V-Bucks! Why? Fortnite is repetitive as shit and those V-Bucks don’t get you anything special! Even Bubsy 3D looks like Metal Gear Solid next to Fortnite! I’ve known for a while that a Video Game Crash 2.0 could happen at any moment, but I’m surprised it STILL hasn’t happened yet, what with Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot and buying all those studios from Rare to Activision, and Sony not having given us many big PS5 exclusives, the gaming scene is in dire need of a reset! A Video Game Crash might be bad in the short term, but look at what came after the first Video Game Crash in 1983! Nintendo gave us the NES, Atari tried to stay relevant with the 7800 and the rest is history!

[@JasonGyattollah2542]

I don't think Nintendo is going to survive a Second Industry Crash. They've copied a few nasty habits, like live service, paid online, and heavy dlc, and are both technologically limited and quite bad at finding third party games/ making 1st party games that will actually run on their hardware. Why do I think this? Well there's been some serious change in the mobile industry that I doubt Nintendo noticed. Phones are MUCH stronger than they were in the last decade, and unlike last decade there's actually avenues where they can use their power. Enter Windows Emulation. It allows owners of these phones to play many games not released on mobile, and this extends to Gta V, Baldur Gate 3 and God of War 2017. Also, Nintendo most popular series, the open world iterations of Zelda, are now able to be emulated. This wasn't the case in 2017, so people will no longer have to buy a switch for splatoon, modern open world zeldas, and modern smashes. The bad news for Nintendo is powerful phones that can do this now only cost as much as a Switch. The Switch 2 will have lost it's niche and point (console gaming on mobile) plus ppl may be hesitant to play switch 2 games out of fear they will be downgraded later in its life cycle like the Switch 1 games were. The Steam Deck will likely be cheaper than the Switch2 when it drops. If valve decides to offer these to retailers instead of online, it is likely the Switch 2 will be the opportunity cost for many people as parents would see and pick the Steam Deck because it is cheaper.

[@gamingwithshashaichi]

There is nothing like free... it's a paid😁

[@littleicky2852]

Well, video games are time consuming. I spent hundred of hours just to master a character in a fighting game I like, and it's no different to a kid that spend thousand of hours into fortnite to master the building technics. The problem is not about average online games nowadays, it's about the people behind it. New games are not introduced to kids? Easy because games are money making machines nowadays instead of something to entertaint you. Game is a tool to manipulate you, it's not for gamers anymore so why make games that are not generateany profit? It's just a social issue that you cannot change or go back like you used to be young

[@TempoLOOKING]

Wrong

[@IzanatoN]

⁠@@TempoLOOKINGI don't see anything wrong in hiss words, modern games suck, every newly releases are woke or cash grab, no deny

[@KillianJenkins]

If only you made this vid at the BR boom

[@ivoryfnc]

The bias is unreal right now 💀

[@pirateluffy01]

Should i stop playing Clash of Clans

[@toyo8460]

Yes, these mobile games are even more predatory than a lot of these mainstream multi platform games.

[@SkyNick]

You just put battle royales in the title and go on to talk about other games as well. Otherwise good video man, thanks for sharing

[@marioandsoniczone]

You have such a huge bias

[@sarthakyadav2485]

Is GTA Online a live service too ?

[@azampoco65]

The shark cards obviously

[@user-yw3dq7gv4k]

786 lucky no. Huh?

[@totke6588]

Great insight

[@rocketB343s]

12:26 freemium games

[@edhahaz]

>my dad doesn't let me play fortnite, I am only allowed to play boomer crap from the 90s

[@youngonion9339]

great video

[@Tiamaru0o]

Nice video

[@Moorethought]

Thank you!

[@Weavin0]

God send me hacker to hack my Apex legend account😂.

[@planetkhemical]

How exactly do you plan to stop your kids from playing free to play games when cloud streaming is only getting better?

[@nunothedude2]

New mp games are slop, br and live sercice ruined gaming

[@shun2232]

These people making these "you should quit video games" videos are not people who loved video games, they loved talking with their friends and didn't have any control over their own impulses with the game itself, so I agree with you on that. But the rest of this video is just strange to me. I can't say anything about the other games but games like Fortnite and Apex Legends are genuinely great games, they're in no way "low quality" like you said, you don't have to spend a penny in any of them either to get the full experience (unless cosmetics mean that much to you), so when you say "I'm not letting my kids around these free to play games" it sounds quite silly in my opinion. Any game, especially any game with an online component paid or free can become incredibly addictive. It's all about moderation, and not letting your kids play "free to play" games because "they can get addicted" is just silly. Not to toot my own horn, but I've played quite a bit of these games and I'm doing just fine for myself, and my parents never got involved, because they already taught me well, I could've just played 24/7 and spent every last dollar I had if I wanted too, but fortunately I know what sunlight and the gym is

[@EvilUmagon]

I was a bit confused when he said Tekken/fighting games are fine. Tekken isn't really any different than most competitive pvp games in that it can be very addictive and tempt one to invest many hours a day for a long time into the game. When new characters get released you can pay money to get them and there are paid skins as well. I suppose the only difference is that you can play a campaign. But if you buy the game and mostly play competitive pvp, how is that so different? I suppose fortnite and roblox are more predatory than Tekken though when it comes to incentivizing children to want to pay money, so I can get that. But just in terms of addictive and life-sacrificing potential, both can do the trick. I have had most of my best gaming experiences in competitive free to play games, mostly in terms of amazing teamplay and exciting, gripping moments. It's often a matter of how one engages with these games and whether one has good boundaries in place. Many things can become a form of escapism. Some things may be more easily abusable for that, but one has to know what works for one and what doesn't.

[@shun2232]

@@EvilUmagon That's exactly it, that entire point about how "if you have to pay for the game it's ok" doesn't really stand, because like you said fighting games like street fighter and tekken are also highly competitive and addicting. Not to mention all of the microtransactions in those games in the modern day even though they're full price on top of that. Hell, I can bring up Call Of Duty being one of the most addictive and predatory games out there, yet it's still full price every year. I guess Roblox and Fortnite could be more predatory simply because of the market they're trying to appeal to, but at the end of the day it's all about teaching the youth about moderation, and actually being a parent. I had plenty of times where I was playing Fortnite, Apex, etc where I saw something really cool that I wanted to buy multiple times, but I just tell myself will I really use it? or will I just buy it use it once and never again? Another way I keep myself from getting addicted to these games is just by getting off when I'm simply not having fun, which I feel has become a lost art today among many kids, they seem to just keep playing for hours and hours even to the point they break something, parents need to teach their children to know when to quit, if it's not bringing you any sort of joy at the moment why bother?

[@EvilUmagon]

@@shun2232 Good points 👍

[@Moorethought]

Great conversation here! I appreciate the feedback and insights from everyone. I think it's awesome you've been able to play these kind of games, have fun, not get addicted or develop negative behaviors, etc. And I think a lot of people have that story, and these games are mostly harmless fun. But I would argue that there's still an enormous demographic of people for whom these games are addictive, negative, and lead to big problems in their personal life, where they can't really moderate their behavior and don't have anyone to moderate it for them. And more traditional games like Mario or Zelda and whatnot don't really pull you in like these games do, games that, according to their devs and stockholders, are successful largely if players pay money and spend enormous amounts of time in their monetization infrastructure. Fighting games like Tekken aren't free of the blame, either - as someone who's put hundreds of hours into these games, I definitely know that! But in general, I think free to play games just have more leeway in getting people into above-average addictive cycles of gameplay, which we need to be wary of.

[@toyo8460]

​@@Moorethoughtagreed.

[@dudejohnson3583]

i mean yeah there are a bunch of trashy games out there but the sole responsibility to not let young people fall into these traps lies with the parents. And I don't think they'll stop not caring.

[@temtem9255]

I disagree, after all, is the casino not partially to blame for the suffering of the gambling addict? These games do their absolute best to abuse you.

[@dudejohnson3583]

@@temtem9255 but it's literally legal so what are you gonna do about it? become the world leader and change it?

[@temtem9255]

@@dudejohnson3583 Stupid comment. I was making a moral judgement, wether I can change it or not is irrelevant.

[@dudejohnson3583]

@@temtem9255 so you said nothing great job

[@temtem9255]

@@dudejohnson3583 I mean if ethics is nothing to you.