Why COPS use .40: Q & A With a Cop

You asked (repeatedly) "Why not 9mm?", "Why not .45?", ect. The answer is multifaceted. The FBI recently did a bunch of testing and determined that 9mm is the best for their purposes, but why might it not be best for everyone else.
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[@828enigma6]

I, too, have noticed a marked increase in suspects requiring multiple projectile impacts to neutralize the threat. 40 and 357 Sig never had that problem. Retired Deputy 30 years service.

[@rutledge9016]

thank you sir

[@PerceptionVsReality333]

Same thing is happening where I'm from lots of police shootings where assailants are hit 5 or more times with 9mm Glock17s & they almost always survive the encounter.

[@Sandhill1988]

Nine millimeter is the every person round. It's common it's reasonably effective enough with the right ammunition and relatively controllable for the average person. Maybe it's just me. But I feel that my 40 is actually less snappy and shoots flatter than a nine millimeter. Does it have a little more recoil? Yes, but it's a straight back recoil, not a muzzle flip recoil, if you know what I mean... I always get better groups with my forty.

[@keithgraham9547]

@@Sandhill1988 If my theory is right, you get better groups with 40 cal than 9mm because regular factory 9mm ammo is lousy, on average. Try this. Get some ordinary 9mm and 40 cal ammo, two or three brands for each caliber. The ordinary, affordable stuff. It can be fmj or hp or flat nose, whatever. Shoot groups at 30 or 40 yards. Tell me what you get, if the 40 groups are better or worse than the 9mm, which has the most variance, etc. Good luck. I'm with you 50 is perfectly comfortable to shoot.

[@ChicagoHOG27]

.357 sig wins the gel test. It is ferocious!

[@Truthteller863]

if it kills the jackass that's trying to kill you it's a good caliber

[@freefieldtraining]

+Justin Moore Truer words have never been spoken.

[@Backyardmech1]

I can understand being tied to certain weights and calibers with a job, but the .40 is an overrated round.

[@ace1776]

Amen to that. Machetes a good caliber.

[@MichaelWilliams-nu6lv]

Justin Moore : Your comment is off base because first one use a caliber that first has the reputation of being a stopper and not all ammo functions the same in the lengths of barrels . This is why citizens need to practice much more often plus sign up for advance firearm classes 🔫 You could line up 10 gun owners at your local WAL-MART and only three out of that 10 practice and maybe one of the remaining three is really a worth while shooter 🔫 People just don't practice but they cn talk my ear off about what's new in the gun world 😃

[@MichaelWilliams-nu6lv]

MyHotdogWeiner : Hopefully you can justified the use of this ammo from a shotgun in court . Play with this in the woods but use 00 buck if you are going to actually shoot the bad guy . Please join the organization that can save you jail time & money if you might need legal help ! After you might join you will quickly understand my pass sentence .

[@tonycruz2450]

Thank you great video. I love my 40 cal. I just love it.

[@dannukesem]

As a Glock 27 owner, I like the fact that 40 seems to have power, maybe it's a psychological thing, but it gives confidence.

[@anthonysmith3132]

Lol yep it's weird but I feel the same way even with fmj's. I think that flat point might help but I really have no clue

[@DeathDealer1825]

My .40 feels like a little cannon compared to a 9 but they share similar results aside from the size of the hole it leaves in you

[@slimjim7411]

@@DeathDealer1825 Having learned to shoot with a 9mm and shot hogs with both the results are not similar. One you'll find the hog dead 50+ yards away, the other will have the hog spinning, and blind running into tree's like a pinball machine. That's simply what happens when you get over 500ft/lbs of energy. The trade off is it's harder to shoot as well and takes more experience and practice. I for example shot 9mm for about 5 years before moving to .40s&w and I wouldn't recommend anyone new to shooting buying a .40s&w especially if they aren't going to train regularly with it. The 9mm generally falls into the good enough category but when the target might be attacking me back which includes angry hogs I prefer something with enough energy to basically sucker punch them in the brain at the same time. It's literally the difference between lethal holes, and lethal holes with brain bleeding from the pressure spike inside their bodies. Anything over 500ft/lbs of energy has this effect be it .45acp +p, .40s&w, .357sig, and the infamous .357 magnum (when fired from a proper length barrel). Also with .40s&w some loads do not meet those energy levels I would say avoid them.

[@DeathDealer1825]

@@slimjim7411 it's definitely more rough than a 9mm but I only buy good ammo I dont trust cheap ammo

[@whatsmolly5741]

@Slim Jim 500 fpe is still 500 fpe no matter what diameter your projectile is. Factory ammo wise Buffalo bore 147g Hardcast flat points is right at 550 so 500 is spicy 9mm but not even the cap. If you really wana go for it I could load 600 fpe in 9mm with relative confidence in reliability. The reality is that 500 fpe is absolutely overkill for a person sized threat, 200 fpe will reliably poke holes in people.... now i would prefer to be the guy with the 500 fpe but ya humans make for terrible backstops in general. It's not that I can't understand using the bigger calibers for the increased power but at least in my experience most of the guys who insist on using .40 or .45 are carrying a load that is essentially the power of 9mm +P...... 450-550 fpe. Of course 750 fpe will put em down faster but in .40 you have grand total of like 4 factory loads that even break 700. If your bigger caliber isn't offering more power then as the orger dude said it's purely psychological and not even for the guy you're shooting it doesn't make him any more scared no it gives you fake confidence... Foot pounds ain't perfect for sure but it's the only quantifiable way we have to measure power. ~420-450 is where the majority of 9mm duty ammo is at because that's still overkill but still in the very controllable range, a lighter projectile will always have less recoil even with identical power and since expanding ammo has become standard having an increased diameter simply isn't worth it.

[@okgentfarmer]

Well done video and a thorough explanation. Always learning new things here at KZbin University... I am just an old Marine who twice went to war with a 1911A1 45 ACP, with 230 grain ball ammo. Now I conceal carry a Glock 30S 24/7/365 for self defense because 10+1 rounds of 45 ACP with the ability to use a G21 magazine with 13 rounds in a reload makes me happier than 15+1 9mm. - Never fired a 40 caliber but I hear it has a much snappier recoil than the sweet push from a 45 ACP and like I said, at 72 I am an "old Marine" now. Confidence in what you carry and the ability to deliver hot lead down range accurately when it counts is where it's at boys.

[@MrGsteele]

I agree with your premises that controllability is an issue. Having several 9mms, 2 .40's, and a brace of 1911s, I can say that the recoil and the caliber are not directly related. In particular, I have 2 Taurus G2cs - one in 9mm and one in .40. The .40 is softer-recoiling and more controllable than the 9mm version. I suspect it has to do with the relative strength of the recoil springs; if not, then the pressure rise curve. Several friends who have shot them side by side have commented exactly the same: the .40 is more controllable. I also have a S&W 4006 in .40. A much heavier gun, but it has far less controllability and much heavier recoil. I suspect the combination of slide weight and recoil spring rate conspire to slam the slide into the slide stop, making it snappier - more so than my 1911s, for example, and more like the G2c in 9mm. The physics of recoil is more complex than can be expressed by a simple measure like recoil energy and velocity; acceleration and deceleration, barrel axis height, slide mass, etc. all add up. I think the FBI and law enforcement might have moved away from the .40 not because of the round, but rather because of the gun in which it was chambered, and the controllability of the specific gun chosen. I will take my lightweight, soft-recoiling, concealable Taurus G2C in .40 over any of my 9mms for controllability and follow-up shot time. It may be small, but it's definitely the easiest to control and make multiple on-target hits with. YMMV - it could be just MY recoil spring; but it's definitely repeatable, and empirically confirmed across multiple other shooters who've tested it.

[@pledgeyourallegiance8530]

Thank you Sir for your Services. I truly appreciate it. I also apologize for the way my generation is handling things. Born 90'. We need your generation to do video diaries and a whole lot so we have references of what being American meant. We already need them tbh. Thank you for your sacrifices and courage to face the enemy in my honor. God bless you.

[@RUTired]

@@MrGsteele agreed. The platform makes a big difference even among guns with the same caliber.

[@mjgII]

i shot my uncles 1911 once and it didn't seem like it recoiled as much or was nearly as loud as 9mm

[@MichaelMiller-op5sx]

Thank you for your service. The 45 was really popular and the .40cal wasn't demanding introduced until 1990. Just curious how it would had done for I r the military. I know my buddy used a 40cal Ruger in desert storm the 91dc 40cal. I had one and regret getting rid of it

[@CROWOUTDOORS]

First homicide I ever worked as a rookie almost two decades ago was a gang banger shot with a .380 in the chest. DRT before he hit the ground. There is no "magic bullet" or caliber when it comes to handguns. It is all about putting that shot right into the boiler room. But I tthink we all know that, or SHOULD at least. I've also been right there on a call watching a suspect survive three shots to the upper torso with .223 Hornady TAP from another officer's rifle at pretty much point blank range. Messy but no vitals struck. So it's all about shot placement regardless if it's a 9mm, .357, .40, .45, 10mm, etc etc. Just throwing that out there.

[@stevenlarrabee3438]

I've seen a guy get shot in the head with a 9mm and it went in deep. He was conscious and talking, he lived. Responded to a guy who got shot in the chest with a Raven .25. It clipped the bottom of his heart and he bled out in about 4 minutes, he died. Depends on a lot of factors, including blind luck.

[@freefieldtraining]

+steven larrabee kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHfXen-hjciDd5Y

[@stevenp3176]

More energy/penetration allows for less perfection in placing shots ie real life.

[@freefieldtraining]

+Steve Pounder How so? Exactly how does energy negatively effect accuracy? Psychologically?

[@stevenp3176]

free field training I may have worded it poorly. What I was trying to imply is yes any round can be lethal. But in my opinion a large round with good controlled expansion will create a larger wound channel giving you a larger chance of dropping your target if you did not hit a vital organ such as the heart.

[@E3BillGates1]

The best ammo I've shot and never disappointed with was the 10mm. BUT, when it comes to dependability, expectations, and performance, I'll always stick to my .40 for duty and concealed carry. Like someone said below, it just feels right to me and does exactly what I need it to do. Thanks for the video. I like the ones that are unbiased and give me something to think about.

[@adventsociety5382]

40 is essentially a 10mm short.

[@larryecker8972]

40sw is a beast of a round that has a lot of untapped potential and a lot of mislead hate 40 is awesome whether you like it or not Do your own tests and don't listen to people on the internet that are mislead as well 40 is awesome

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

Dont listen to James Yeager of TN ... 😁

[@campingman1942]

This is true you have a lot of paid guys preaching .9mm is the best and the new advanced ammo ( which no one else has 😂) makes the . 9mm the best, what a bunch of crap .!

[@campingman1942]

That's right , I carry a 40 for the reason it will stop the bad guy without having to use all of 16+1 rounds of a 9mm because my ammo is going straight through the bad guy and not stopping he or she. I know for a fact from videos of test and my own test on different objects with FMJ's and JHP'S that hitting a human target center Mass with a 180 grain JHP'S will rip through some guts , vital organs, break some ribs and spine to stop any bad guys in Thier tracks. These guys on here that believe in Thier fantasy world that they will get a head shot in the time of panic and chaos you aim for center Mass ( the biggest target ) because even a miss of target 3-4 inches you will still hit vital organs and shut the bad guy down. I know I just pissed the 9mm guys off by saying I rely on 40 for protection but why would I choose a lesser firearm over the more powerful in every comparison possible so that's why I trust 40 because I've seen what it can do .....

[@bullofthewoods9374]

camping man, I see your point, and would agree that the 9 may not be as good as the 40 n some situations, but I have seen what a 9 and 45 will do as well. they do the job just fine I might add. I have a 9 , 45 ,38, I see no need for the 40.what so ever. if I were to go to another caliber, it would be the 10mm, the actual papa of the 40. the 45acp in 185 will do the same as the 40 if not more. see no need for the 40 when I already had the battle proven 45 and 9....even the 38 is proven.. just saying. to each his own

[@85gbody97]

I agree I’ve been using liberty civil defense ammo and it’s very manageable recoil. Though I do agree that technology has caught up with ammo to make 9mm more then efficient it’s just why take a chance that it might not penetrate a leather jacket. I live in Michigan and it’s cold here more then it’s warm so a round that will make it through winter clothing is more important then having lighter recoil. Well that’s my two cents at least.

[@JayBruceWorld]

We should all just carry 45-70 and turn everything into ground beef.

[@michaelcarniel9086]

500 s&w minimum

[@largol33t1]

or 8 GA shotguns! Those will clear the skies when loaded with birdshot. :D

[@cjm9860]

Jay Bruce idk why this made me laugh so hard

[@Heavywall70]

I bought a 45/70 last year and I LOVE that gun and that round

[@squiggly_lines]

I did shoot a deer once with the 45-70 round, the exit wound was big enough for me to comfortably fit my entire hand into. I wonder how that round would penetrate a level 2a flak jacket?

[@chiefjoe8655]

Best explanation I've heard about why cops use 40 Cal. Thank you

[@river9055]

I work in a ER and never once said “ oh he only got shot with a 9mm he’s going to be fine

[@demetriuspowell29]

40 fanboy's are funny

[@Nekulturny]

Agreed, this is fucking nonsense. Getting shot is fucking getting shot. Whats this guy worried about anyway? Police shootings usually end with a dozen bullets in the person they shoot.

[@cheapinjun2126]

guess it depends on where you get shot, not that i'am Advocating getting Shot.

[@judgeholden6761]

@Moe Green The day I got my first IWB holster I had a friend time my draw with my full size S&W from a "hands up" position. I am not the biggest ditz in the world and am in shape but I am autistic and not as coordinated as other guys at tasks without practice. I could consistently draw in less than .33 seconds without any practice gripping my pistol through my shirt, i.e. average human max reaction time. The majority of police officers are shot at close range by people acting cool then rapidly drawing. No good way to do the job, first world people just can't really accept the only real way law enforcement can deal with the crime of a 3rd world hell hole, USA between Armenia and Uganda in violence.

[@SAR0311]

@Moe Green what the hell are you talking about? How do you even reach your conclusions? What is your problem with this video?

[@baddboi8]

I was in an officer involved shooting over ten years ago, i was carrying the glock 22 with 180 grain hydroshock ammo. All it took was 1 shot center mass to stop and completely incapacitate the subject (drt). I still carry that same glock 22 today and wouldn’t risk carrying anything else!

[@travisj.1938]

I've alway's thought that the Glock 22 is the perfect duty gun. Pretty hard to beat 15 rounds of .40 s&w! Glock 23 for civilian carry or 26 for deep concealment (with a backup hi cap magazine for just in case)

[@travisj.1938]

Plus you can get a 9mm barrel or 357 sig cinversion barrels for it.

[@damiensouth1160]

Fern, 1 shot CoM stoppage? You didn't shoot the threat in the CoM. You shot him through the spinal canal from the front, while aiming CoM. I'm sorry you had to experience the act of ending a life but I'm damn glad you had the mind and skill set nessecary to do what you were required to do. (8 combat deployments with 2nd Bn 75th RR I understand)

[@UltraDude2000]

Ferndawg I would switch to HST or GD.

[@oldcop18]

All three of my shootings happened during the revolver era and the issued .38 served me well. The first time was with the old lead round nose bullet and a single round dropped the suspect before he could get off a shot. My second shooting we were using the same round in a gunfight w/armed robbery suspects and it only slowed the bad guys down a bit. My last shooting we had the FBI 158 grain hollow points and that suspect was dropped w/three rounds from my issued revolver.

[@adamhealy5635]

It's so interesting to see an actual police officer so friendly and comfortable in character, like they are actually human beings, you know, genuinely nice people.

[@828enigma6]

Most are, it's just when on duty they have to deal with a lot of obnoxious, argumentative people.

[@2KCamaroZ28SS]

Try working a schedule a cop works and deal with the asshats all day long. Then tell me how friendly you are after a while of that.

[@JohnDoe-sy2gz]

Cops are people too. They get a bad rap I think. Most are life savers and good citizens doing one of the hardest jobs ever.

[@IanMoone46n2]

@@828enigma6 not an excuse

[@IanMoone46n2]

@@2KCamaroZ28SS find a new job they aren't cut out for law enforcement. Nothing wrong with that

[@Shadowbat.o_O]

Yours is the most logical argument for the .40 that I have ever heard.

[@johnspink6557]

Time will prove that the .40 will turn-out to be the best all-around gun it was intended to be, a “man stopper”.

[@Gieszkanne]

And its so versatile. There are very light high velocity loads with 125 and 135gr up to slow and heavy with 200gr. But at the moment all new guns are in 9mm only. There are just Glock, S&W, HK and Beretta with production guns in 40S&W.

[@Mikey-240]

I love the old school gen 3’s with that frying pan finish and glossy polymer. Beautiful pair brother

[@allendunfee5725]

I do too. My gen 3 G23 has the frying pan finish but my gen 3 G29 does not. It has the flat black that scratches easily.

[@Thatonemexican001]

I absolutely LOVE gen 3 too…. But only because that’s what us normies have here in California…. Lol 😂

[@random-videos]

Interesting part about the training Ammo vs Duty ammo. Great point!!

[@freefieldtraining]

+Random Videos 🍩☕👍

[@theshootist9290]

With my department in Texas we use the 40 S&W Speer Gold Dot 180gr. This stuff works! It's like blowing out a birthday candle! I personally have had to use 9mm in early 2003 in a deadly force encounter using federal hydro shock 124gr +P+. I had to use like 6 rounds to stop the guy because of no expansion. I wouldn't trade my current carry ammo for anything.

[@freefieldtraining]

+Arthur Smith Sometimes I think the hyper shock gets it's good reputation entirely from people who have never used them for their intended purpose. Everyone I know who has switched to a larger round or changed ammo shortly after.

[@onmydignal]

@The Shootist @Arthur Smith: The Federal Hydra-Shok is old, unreliable hollowpoint technology KNOWN to have unreliable expansion results. Some depts. have been too slow to change because it requires time and effort to justify changes. A poor reason.

[@Mr.Highway]

The Shootist in all the gel tests I've seen, Speer gold dot has been the best prefomer in wound channel. No matter who uses their bullet (i.e Underwood). Massive tissue damage.

[@Roosterdoodler]

The Shootist I used the same, awesome round.

[@mofrogamericanjedi5627]

Yep gold dot 180gr .40 is where its at

[@sgrimes911]

Holy Shit! Has this guy taken a breath yet? Sir, you might want to switch to decaf! hahaha

[@fanoflakespeed9460]

That's exactly what I was thinking. LOL

[@CaptainHowdy1431]

I was actually thinking HOW talking hands drink coffee! Then, if they were ever going to take a breath. I was waiting for them to pass out!

[@ricer7214]

There’s a musician trick (for singers anyway) where you can breath through your nose with your mouth open and can keep taking like that(think that’s how it goes?!?) probably what he’s doing

[@Mj-CWO4]

Why don’t you guys drop the sarcastic comments and listen to what the man had to say.

[@larryyeadeke7409]

Shows he knows what he's talking about. Not guessing or making stuff up as he goes along.

[@elibeasley3602]

Once again your knowledge is Instrumental in honing my skills and abilities in my field. Keep up the Fantastic work and thank you

[@wemcal]

Good video... .40, 9mm, .45 and .38 will always be a back and forth opinion... if a person wants to know what stops, ask the surgeons

[@mgsharnhorst]

Great video, very informative. I like the 40 S&W... a great round.

[@SDGlock23]

Good points, I like .40 myself and I've had them all. I tend to prefer Glocks because I suppose that's what I'm most accustomed to, but the .40 offers almost 9mm capacity, same platform size, it hits harder and pokes bigger holes. I agree shot placement is number one, but a larger expanding bullet increases the chances of a critical hit. I like the .45 as well but again as a Glock guy, I just like the 9mm/.40 size better, the .45's and 10mm's feel like bricks.

[@nateuerdaz8038]

Hey thanks for the video. I have to be honest. I've carried a .40 cal Sig Sauer for almost 11 years now. I'm not an officer, however for several years I did cary for my job. I was a contractor for various govt agencies, including police departments, installing security equipment in high crime and high risk areas. Why have I always carried a 40? Simple, it's what I am most comfortable with. I learned to shoot a handgun on a 40 cal, and I trust it. I think sometimes people overlook that. I own 45s, 357 Sig, and other calibers....but when it counts I want to know I have the gun and caliber I know best.

[@campingman1942]

A lot of people will read what you wrote and much of them won't see what you wrote, that the most important thing is to know your firearm that you will use as a go to in a self defense protection situation. I don't care what you own just know your firearm. 👍

[@dsullivan6842]

How often did you bust someone for a roach is my question

[@Packinheat1175]

You explained that well. I’m really tired of the new 9mm fad. Most agencies up here in Canada that have switched back to 9mm are using the same 20 year old Winchester SXT 147gr bullet that they used when they figured out 9mm wasn’t stopping people. I’ve seen 9mm get stuck in cardboard sun visors after going through the windshields. The 9mm fad is based on new bullet technologies that police departments don’t use.

[@campingman1942]

The new 9mm fad is to cover up the true fact that the FBI went back to .9mm because of all the small female and soft hand girly men that are in the agency now .

[@Packinheat1175]

welder man absolutely correct.

[@fearnonebutone4977]

True. Not to mention that the whole “modern 9mm technology is so much better...” argument is null because that same technology applies to all calibers. Modern 9mm is better than old 9mm, but modern .40 is better than old .40. This theory that people talk would only be true when comparing old .40 to modern 9mm.

[@joseontiveros624]

@@fearnonebutone4977 you nipped it in the butt. 9mm has high end bullets. But same high end bullet for 9mm are available by same manufacturer for the .40 that will out perform it in the 9mm. Not to mention a basic 180gr fmj is a amazing basic bullet. Ive put it to the test with trapped feral hogs. 1 chest shot on 250-350lb hogs to the cross in there chest. Puts them down quick. Not same story with 9mm.

[@mmabagain]

@@joseontiveros624 Nipped it in the bud.

[@xxCablexx]

I always wondered about this, my uncle was a cop and I never heard of .40 caliber until then, great video

[@Book-Gnome]

Interesting. A DEA guy told me once, years ago, that they carried .40's because they were better than .45's at penetrating a windshield. He said the .45 round tended to bounce up and off the windshield if facing the car because of the bulk of the round.

[@timl8302]

If you know the history of the 40 S&W. That will tell you he's right concerning the 40 S&W.

[@PerceptionVsReality333]

I've tried that with my friend's G21 & every shot passed right through the windshield & I'm not even a fan of 45 auto.

[@johnmorganjr769]

Great vid! I am a .40 guy too.Also have a Hi power(1990) 9mm,sooweeet!

[@emmettmarbury6571]

I'm by no means in law enforcement, but my choice in a cartridge would be tied to my desire to transfer 100% of the energy in my projectile, into my opposition. Also balancing how much recoil would affect follow up shots. And I guess capacity would have to be factored in as well, so that would bring me all the way back to good old .40.

[@Gieszkanne]

Old? its the youngest!

[@mmabagain]

@@Gieszkanne By far!

[@benjaminhenry5762]

.40's work . It was a mistake for the agencies/departments to abandon the round.

[@joseontiveros624]

Governments way of slowly disarming America. Then there gonna transition into .22 cause of some justified bs. Then go green with slingshots. 👀

[@stephennicholas]

Cogent, informative and thoughtful; thank you.

[@joes.7536]

That makes a lot of sense thanks for the video. I noticed if you go to the Lucky Gunner ammo test results. And you compare 9, 40 and 45. All Fired out of a 3.5" barrel. 40 s&w has the least amount of projectiles that did not expand properly.

[@papahajek5383]

Affordable, regular practice with any reasonable caliber beats a super power firearm that is never fired.

[@COMB0RICO]

Excellent point. Thanks from Texas.

[@befru]

That could be used as an argument against .40 S&W since 9mm ammo is usually cheaper and is more readily available. The biggest rule of gun fights is to have a gun on yourself, so people shouldn't take caliber debates too seriously and just carry whatever they can afford, shoot accurately, and conceal. Used police trade-in .40 Glocks can be a great value since most firearm enthusiasts don't want them.

[@ahuman2695]

@@befru the 9mm being more readily available doesn't apply now at the moment

[@ostateballas]

I appreciate your thoughts and opinions, thanks for the video.

[@jeffcarr2265]

Thankyou for your opinion, I wasn't clear about where .40 cal. Compared to the 9 mm.

[@InvincibleRage]

Great video. I personally use .40 caliber. This is because when I finally turned 21 to buy a gun and drink 🎉, the first pistol I wanted and bought was the 1st Gen XDM 4.5" .40 Caliber. At that time, 2008, the model was new and Springfield only made it in that barrel length and caliber. This was because at that time .40 caliber was popular with Lawn Enforcement, thanks to the FBI testing considering .40 caliber as "the ideal cartridge for self defense and lawn enforcement." Some XDM owners might not know this but It wasn't until six months later after the model's first release that they made it in 9mm. And then the next gen came out in different barrel lengths and calibers. Even though today in mordern times and with ammunition technology making other calibers perform as well as .40, including smaller calibers. I'm still glad I bought my .40 caliber, especially the XDM. Beautiful pistol, great aesthetics influenced by purpose and function, high capacity, match grade barrel making it very accurate, competition trigger, and it comes like this out of the box. No other caliber will give me the capacity, muzzle energy, penetration, damage, and ballistics that .40 caliber will. Especially, since I use Hornady, one of the best. And with my AR-15 in .300 blackout, also using Hornady, it's just like my .40 caliber. I get high capacity, the same as 5.56, the muzzle energy, penetration, damage, and ballistics of a .30 caliber bullet similar to 7.62x39, with the accuracy and linear recoil of an AR-15, and not a jumpy AK. With my XDM in .40 caliber, and my AR-15 in .300 blackout, It's the best of both worlds. So if you had a choice and no policy restrictions. What sidearm and duty rifle, in what calibers, would you use and carry on duty?

[@stevenessary7986]

I had s choice when I went into LE and had to buy my own weapons. I carried a Sig Model 220 45 acp, a S&W airweight 38 spl BUG, a NAA 22 mag mini- revolver as a get off of me bug, a Remington 870 12 gage and a Ruger mini-14 in my patrol car. I like 40 cal just fine, but never carried one on duty. I did carry a 357 mag revolver on duty at a different department for a while and totally trust both the 357 caliber and trust a revolver. 9mm is not my favorite caliber, but I believe it has it’s place and for me personally that place is in a small pocket pistol, something like the Sig P365.

[@stevenlawson9460]

I carried a 45 for years when switched to a different agency I started using the 40. I just believe any of the 9 40 or 45 cal. Would be fine as long as you have a good weapon and train with it and the gear you carry holster ect

[@williamgrissom1995]

Thank you for the very informative video. It made a lot of sense. I wondered about that, but never figured I'd hear the answer to it. Lol I think it is awesome to have people in law enforcement share what they learn with regular citizens. 😎👍

[@bobhamm7873]

Just came across this vid while browsing. Great vid! It answered a ton of little questions I have been wondering for quite a while about duty caliber and ammo and the why and whats of it. thx for the info.

[@CHAOSMOVEMENT]

The field tests I've seen with .40 vs .45 ACP, plus the options in weight and velocity, made the .40 S&W make sense for me. It's a great intermediate round that gives you higher capacity than a .45 in a smaller package. I'm not in an OC state, and I am not going to conceal a 1911, Glock 21, or Springfield XD. A .45 is an excellent caliber, and for some it could make sense for EDC, but for myself it is a bedside table solution. I carry a Walther P99 IWB, and sometimes the SIG P938 on my ankle or in my car as a backup.

[@fredkilian4049]

The caliber you have in your pocket is better than the caliber you left at home.

[@marcjeffers4229]

Anything from .38 special to .45 ACP should be adequate as long as you can shoot

[@cameronl212]

Anything from .22lr-45acp

[@Astro_touches_children]

Shot placement. Enough said.

[@FoulPet]

@@Astro_touches_children Dont think I would be comfortable shooting at a charging bear with a 25 acp aiming for its eye socket or using a 5 shot 38 snub going against 2 mass shooter armed with M16s. If you are good enough to hit a moving target the size of an apple under extreme duress at random ranges ranges you got my respect. I will just aim center mass and hope that a more powerful round will cause more damage and with any luck, hit a vital.

[@Luigi110067]

Louder for the people in the back!

[@Astro_touches_children]

@@FoulPet the smallest I have is 9mm. Your points are all valid, I thought it was assumed in this conversation that mouse calibers were not recommended. That being said,if I were attacked while holding a.22, I would return fire. Going back to my comment,if you miss,it doesn't matter how many times you miss. If I were in grizzly country I would arm myself accordingly. And hope to hit, under duress with adrenaline over load full on. I will not be a keyboard raider and say I never miss. I will say I have never been chased by a bear and you're right again, no one knows how they will aquit themselves in an unknown situation.

[@michaelchesny656]

Thanks for clarifying this issue.

[@tobywilliams414]

One thing I do know, a well placed round is better than a flesh wound, especially when it counts. With any Caliber. My philosophy is worry less about the cartridge and more about shot placement.

[@davegoodwin1848]

Shot placement is the advice people that have never been in an altercation give. They are just regurgitating the garbage they heard others say. You clearly haven't tried to hit a moving target that is behind cover while you are moving your ass as quick and efficiently as possible because you have no cover due to walking up on a vehicle stop, in a parking lot, porch, or yard. I have in all of those cases and at that point your weapon is more of a deterrent while you're hoping you can shots on target.

[@christopherwalker6056]

@@davegoodwin1848 so with that being said, you're not saying that shot placement doesn't matter, but that it's difficult to place a good shot in that instance. But you still agree that shot placement is important right? So with your experience, do you think it doesn't matter what the caliber is, and that any will work?

[@christopherwalker6056]

@@davegoodwin1848 also, what's your opinion on hollow points? I would think that plays a big factor in 'knock down power'?

[@davegoodwin1848]

@@christopherwalker6056 very good points! IF you can get a good bead on the target and you hit a vital...heck, even a major area then shot placement does matter but it's a combination of training and luck at times. As for caliber I've been present for final examinations (autopsies) where death was caused by .22, .380, and up. Caliber along with ammo used is situationally important. FMJ's and extreme penetrator will be (more) effective through barriers. No expansion as with hollow points but there is possible fragmentation. A 40, 45, 10, and often 9mm will be deadly through specific barriers but if you're trying to shoot say through a vehicle panel with a .22, .25, .380 then good luck. In all, caliber in conjunction with correct ammo for the specific situation matters. But who carries that many different guns and FMJ plus hollow points? I own many guns but for service I use a 9mm with gold dot although I much prefer HST which I use for personal edc. For training I use Fiocchi 124 grain hollow points as they are really close to HST.

[@davegoodwin1848]

@@christopherwalker6056 knock down power? Not really a believer in that since in practice rather than theory there are many factors. Yes, energy in foot pounds matter but it's the size of the wound channel and bullet trajectory (tumbling) that gives hollow points the edge instead of a smaller all the way through wound...which still sucks and is deadly. A lot of ppl think it looks like a movie or tv show when someone is struck yet it couldn't be further from the truth. The "power" doesn't knock someone 5 feet backwards off their feet. The majority are still aware and functional after being wounded. Best to put several shots on them.

[@PPISAFETY]

When I was working patrol, I had as much confidence in the .40 S&W as any pistol I ever carried. My testing indicated that the .40 and the .357 SIG are both superior to the 9mm for police patrol work. I've carried both on patrol, and would do so again. In the departments where it has been my choice of what ammo the department used, I've always specified Federal HST or Speer Gold Dot. My main reason for this is that Federal/Speer offer a practice round that is exactly matched to the duty round. So, I've always insisted that we use either the HST/American Eagle or the Gold Dot/Lawman combination. The HST expands a bit more, and the Gold Dot penetrates a bit more when compared to each other, but the difference is not large. In practice, I'll use either. As a plain clothes investigator at the end of my career, I was allowed to carry what I wanted and I wasn't doing traffic stops. I was also getting old, so I carried a Glock 19 loaded with HST 124 grain +P rounds, or the Gold Dot 124 grain +P. For practice and qualification I used 124 grain 9mm NATO ball, specifically because it had the same recoil as these +P rounds and was a lot snappier and more realistic than cheap 115 grain loads. Free Field Training is 100% right that if you are a cop, you want your training and duty ammo to feel the same when you fire them. The 9mm has been vastly improved over the last 15 years, while firearms training budgets and time allocations have been cut. The move to the 9mm makes some sense under those conditions, and a well designed premium 9mm cartridge is not a bad round. But for patrol officers who can shoot and are willing to practice, the .40 is still a litte better in my opinion.

[@dwarden3]

This sounds backwards and crazy, but when I go shooting I start with full power 44 mag. After 50 rounds of that it's real easy to shoot .40 all day. It's not snappy at all, almost a pleasure to shoot. I shoot the 44 double action and it great training for trigger control.

[@samanthasanchez1792]

Smith & wesso. 69 combat! Yea!

[@ausfuhrpramienjagar]

I shoot a Glock .40 and a .45. Loaded with Winchester PDX1 BHP in 180 gr for the .40 and 230 gr for the .45. Awesome stopping power at it's finest.

[@kyanderson2461]

Thank you for your service sir .

[@kentwilliams4152]

Back in the 1980’s my agency authorized certain semi-automatic handguns to be carried in lieu of their issue .357 revolvers. (We also allowed them to qualify with both if they wished.) Initially we authorized .45 ACP and .38 Super with the proviso that if the 9mm was brought up to the 110 grain .357 magnum velocity, it too would be authorized. A 9mm 115+P+ cartridge was being carried by the ISP and we ordered some and tested this load. It averaged ~1,300 fps+P+ 9mm JHP loads. It was immediately adopted by my agency.The chamber pressure back then for the +P+ 9mm was ~42,500 PSI while the standard 9mm was ~33,500 PSI. Two notes: 1} We issued standard velocity 115 grain 9mm for practice (150 rounds per quarter) and 100 rounds of fresh duty +P+ 9mm on qualification day. The Agents were to fire the 72 round qualification course with their previous quarter’s +P+ issue ammunition.The recoil characteristics of the +P+ 115 grain and the standard velocity 115 grain 9mm were quite similiar. The +P+ 115 grain JHP @~1,300 fps worked well in the field in dfensive shootings. The agancy switched to the .40S&W in early 1996. The .40 S&W 155 grain JHP service issue load had significantly more recoil. For example, the US Border Parol classes usually had a few Agents or no Agents needing remedial training needed after qualification with their .40’s while the immigration classes had a ~50% failures rate even after remedial training. After DHS was formed this trend continued. Since then, the other devisions of DHS have requested a switch to the 9mm and that, as I understand, is taking place as I write this. Knowing that the +P+ 115 grain 9mm had worked well in the past I am satisfied that it will, once again serve well in defensive shootings.That is IF the 115 grain JHP +P+ is once again adopted as an agency issue round. A +P+ 9mm 115 grain JHP @~ 1,300 fps worked fine. I am not at all sure that the 147 grain 9MM will save the lives of the folks in DHS, regardless of it’s chamber pressure. That is, unless some the 147 grain 9mm cartridge can somehow achieve a muzzle velocity of at least 1,200 fps., preferably 1300 fps. - kw

[@Gottaculat]

I bought my first firearm recently, an Astra A-100 in 40S&W. Think Sig P229, but all steel, and a bit simpler in design mechanically. I chose it because I wanted something sub-$500, carries more than 10 rounds (A-100 in 40S&W carries 13+1), has excellent ergonomics, field tested reliability/durability, easy to clean, and preferably DA/SA. I really wanted to get a 45ACP, but sadly the only ones to meet most of my requirements were way out of my budget (like the FN FNX-45 Tactical, or even a basic M1911). I looked at a civilian-improved version of a Makarov, but I was a bit skeptical about .380 Auto. I even mulled over getting a Hi Point in 45ACP, but I wanted my first pistol to be something nicer and actually stand a chance at concealment. There were some Glocks in my budget, but their grips are possibly the worst grips I've ever held; even my Super Soaker from my childhood has a more comfortable grip than those pieces of garbage. So sadly, Glock was not an option as those grips feel like someone is digging their knuckle into my palm. The grip I loved best was the Walther CCP M2, but it only carries about 8 rounds of single stacked 9mm, and that was a huge drawback (if Walther ever makes a CCP M3, and is double stacked with at least 12 rounds, I'm sold). Ultimately, I really like 40S&W because it's like a happy hybrid between 9mm and 45ACP in stopping power, capacity, and weight (weight is important, too). The main reason I wanted more than 10 rounds in a mag is because I conceal carry, and I want to only carry 1 additional mag. Even if I got a 45ACP, anything remotely concealable would have about a 7 round mag. So would I rather have 14+1 total available rounds of 45ACP on my hip, or 26+1 total available rounds of 40S&W? Seemed like the Astra A-100 was my best option, and for $271 after tax, I can say I made a dang good choice. It's a hoot to shoot, too! I never saw any 10mm in my budget, either. 10mm would be really nice to have. Maybe some day I'll get a 10mm. Oh, and my carry ammo is Hornady 175 grain Critical Duty Flexlock JHP in 40S&W. Having 27 of those buggers on my hip with 13+1 of them in the pistol ready to go and another 13 in the second mag is quite reassuring. :) I conceal carry using a 5.11 Tactical fanny pack, worn on my hip. The A-100 juuuuust barely fits in it, with room for an additional mag. I could squeeze in 2 more mags, but that'd just be way too dang heavy for EDC, as the A-100 EMPTY weighs 34oz. It's a boat anchor compared to the Sig P229, but about way cheaper, and a lot more durable due to being all steel construction.

[@freefieldtraining]

Aww, somone made four accounts to thumbs down all at once. lol, that's dedication I'll give em that.

[@1979hellcat]

free field training 😂😂

[@gwagner4581]

free field training hahaha you are dedicated for talking about the thumbs down buddy every time you make a video. I love your personality. You must be a good cop.

[@freefieldtraining]

+g wagner I wouldn't go that far, but you can't let your detractors set the narrative. That's what they want. KZbin, police work, it's all the same in that regard.

[@freefieldtraining]

+Peter thanks Pete!

[@freefieldtraining]

+Adam Sainz glad you liked it!

[@tonycruz2450]

Thank you for your Service. You are totally Correct. Great video. I'm a 40 guy all the way.

[@captainklr6508]

Very nice dissertation. Thank you very much.

[@caporegimeclutch9715]

Thank you for another great video!

[@freefieldtraining]

I do what i can.

[@knightshift8714]

Was at the carwash washing my truck when approached by a couple of men, one with a gun and one with a knife, threw my keys and wallet sorta towards the feet of guy with the gun, when he bent over to pick them up I drew my cm40 took out the gunman first then the one with the knife (dumbass didn't run,I was actually hoping/giving him a chance to but he acted as if he was gonna stab me, SmH): anyways one shot each to mid-lower chest/upper stomach area is all it took! At first I used I think it was a little heavy but after I seen the one shot stopping power I don't mind

[@DeathDealer1825]

1 .40 round is all it takes sometimes these rounds are underestimated

[@knoxharrington2433]

Thanks, great stuff. Most important point made is train for your job under the same conditions.

[@jfo1229a]

Nice video, I'm an old car guy, and in my hot rodding days they always say there is no replacement for displacement, and as far as I'm concerned it still holds true today, even in ammunition.

[@Zoco101]

Thank you for this excellent and interesting explanation of reasons for using 40 cal in a duty gun. I understand that the 40 has been one of the most successful options. The video is a little old now of course, but I'll comment anyway. We know that over the last 100 years calibers have included 38, 357, 9mm, 10mm, 40. Now 9mm is coming back in a lot of departments. Perhaps, departments can't settle properly on any one handgun because there are really two distinctly different things that a service firearm has to do. I understand that it has to be quick and jam-free at close quarters, but it also has to be powerful and accurate when there's a shootout. The conventional semi-autos we see are a very poor compromise IMO, and it is commendable that LEOs cope as well as they do with them. All too often, the much needed long gun is still in the back of the patrol car. I'm suggesting that the solution is two very different weapons, to carry at all times: One which is nearer to being a rifle and another for quick draw and which doesn't jam when you fire it with an imperfect grip, say while grappling. Exactly what those configurations are is a decision for people who are more informed than me. I hope that my observation doesn't offend anybody and that departments do finally settle on something which better helps LEOs to get the job done and stay as safe as possible.

[@mattdg1981]

I have both 9mm and 40s&w. Love em both too.

[@michaelpond6386]

.45acp Black talon was my favorite for years. Never was a 9mm fan. 40 always seemed to be a tweener. After they quit making Black Talons I used .45acp 230 grain bonded hollow points. We always used less expensive stuff on the range due to volume, but qualified with what we carried.

[@johnjohnsn7633]

They didn't quit making the Black Talon, they just quit making it black and renamed it to the Ranger T-Series.

[@swaggytoast5242]

Informative video, thank you!

[@sinqros]

I'd say my fave nowadays is 357 Sig, 125 grain Speer gold dots, or Underwood ammo at 1475., with my Glock 23 I stay away from 180 grain, 165 grain shines at 1150 fps up to 1200 in Fed HST, (saw a vid) with my 9mm s I use Speer gold dots 124 grain +P, the same ammo NYPD swears by, but I also use 135 grain +P by hornady, I really like Fed HST & the gold Dots best..😊

[@lpotts75]

Love the 357.

[@nealdaugherty7110]

I like my G-23; good for concealed carry and practice at the range.

[@stosh3741]

Best explanation I've heard on 40 vs 9mm

[@thomasbrogan9102]

Love the air quotes, never get tired of "air quotes".

[@nadermazari3334]

40 is a great round. Here is where I think the problem came in. When the 40 first came around, and a lot of firearm manufacturers rushed to profits and just drilled bigger holes in 9mm frame pistols. The frames could not take the beating of the high pressure round and hence the 40 "snap" and broken firing pins and springs. My hk vp40 is extremely pleasant to shoot. It is a heavier, beefier gun than the vp 9mm. If you change out to an after market 40 barrel in a Glock 20, you will know the difference!

[@hamradiocomms]

I totally agree with your assessment. My colleagues keep saying the 40 is dead, and new bullet advancements make it obsolete but the same advancements pertain to all calibers. And when a bullet fails, larger caliber always wins. Another issue is the short and weak moniker makes people think the caliber is weak when in actuality is one of the most powerful calibers available in carry-able auto handguns on par with 357 sig and 45 acp. Ive seen LE Ranger and others be over 500 ft lbs in 40. Capacity aside, I don’t think any gun knowledgeable person would choose a 9mm over over 40 S&W if confronted by a bear for instance. It is the best compromise for me on stopping power and capacity. I use Gold Dots, Win Rangers, Golden Saber etc

[@nateo200]

I want full loaded 10mm Auto against a bear. I honestly don't understand why Alaska State Troopers don't issue Glock 20's as standard issue over the Glock 22's. On the Nat Geo show that follows them there were a few episodes where they couldn't get their long gun and had to use their Glock. I would want to carry a G20 with 2-3 mags of good bonded ammo and then a mag or so of hardcore hardcast +P+ "not for the weak of heart" 10mm 200grainers!

[@freefieldtraining]

+nateo200 be careful of that buffalo bore Hardcast 10mm stuff. It has been known to KB glocks if used too much.

[@CommunismiEstCacas]

Well, since you are talking about bears then I would choose 375H&H magnum 😉

[@yondel-kttkoh3948]

I dont have bears or any type of big animal where im from so 9mm it is for my carry. I do train with 40 as well but prefer 9mm.

[@campingman1942]

💪👍.40 all the way .

[@keithcox3350]

Excellent video. Help me understand an issue that I was unaware of.

[@BlackSkyMusicTV]

thanks for your service officer 🙏

[@shaynes21]

great explanation. I definitely learned something. I love this channel. I have my PT for my local PD on the 28th so I've learned a lot of great things from these videos so far.

[@freefieldtraining]

+Scott Haynes glad you like them!

[@mmafighter1181989]

are you testing for a dept? Pensacola maybe?

[@shaynes21]

Anniston, Al

[@mmafighter1181989]

nice

[@shaynes21]

Been thinking about Law enforcement for a couple years finally decided to do it.

[@pastorclay82]

any caliber is better than no caliber, I have carried everything from a 22lr to a 10mm. 99% of the time either will do the job. shot placement is more important than bullet caliber. good video

[@freefieldtraining]

+everett higginbotham I think there is a point of diminishing returns to the "shot placement is king" argument. If the round dosen't have the punch to drive a straight line through an aggressor then where you put the bullet is of little consequence.

[@pastorclay82]

Right, along the line of recoil management I can put 10 22lr in a 3 inch circle in under 3 seconds. Whatever the outcome 10 in a proper area for that round, the bad guy isn't walking away. I'm actually actively trying to get the 22 TCM for carry. The ballistics are looking really interesting.

[@pastorclay82]

Of course I'm talking about velocitors and similar high performance 22lr ammo

[@freefieldtraining]

+everett higginbotham The question becomes if they will hit anything inside the target consistently. I've seen far to many people have .32,.25, and .22 rounds go all over the place and STOP upon hitting anything hard (like bone or a cell phone) to subscribe to that philosophy. At the end of the day, if you are confident in it than there is nothing I am going to do to convince you, but I wouldn't suggest a handgun round below .380 for self defense. And in .380 I really prefer FMJ just to make sure it will make it in.

[@freefieldtraining]

+everett higginbotham then we get into the inherent reliability issues with rinfire ammo...

[@Sci-Fi_Fan296]

Thanks for the info. This was helpful. :)

[@wooddawg4868]

Your argument is valid to a point, that’s why follow up shots are critical no matter what caliber or round used.

[@rkba4923]

Officers should have to qualify with duty, not training, ammo imo.

[@blucorsair4443]

You are absolutely correct and unfortunately, this is how the spray and pray mentality of the weaker 9mm took over in law enforcement! Now we know where America's testosterone went.

[@kurtp5379]

They do qualify with duty ammunition commonly once a year when they are reissued fresh ammunition.

[@jimjungle1397]

40 S&W has become popular with law enforcement in Canada, Australia and other countries.

[@lescobrandon3047]

I retired in 2000 and back then we had gone from .38 revolvers to Sig Sauer P226, which was the only gun they bought for us. They were factory ordered with inability to be fired single-action. I have recently heard that the department have gone on to Glock 40mm. I was going to visit our Firearms Unit at the range to ask why but looks like you saved me a trip. Thanks for these videos.

[@mmabagain]

Wow!! That is one BIG bullet!! 1.57 caliber.

[@anton1949]

It's more powerful than the 9mm and the magazine still holds lots of rounds. That's why.

[@TadHepnertheman]

My local police force transitioned BACK to 9mm from .40 and sold them all. I think, not sure, they cited capacity and recoil accuracy.

[@slimjim7411]

They do it to save on budget while leaving the officers the choice. This often basically means the officer buys their own training and duty ammo, plus their own duty pistol or uses whatever the department issues.

[@jsl5570]

I just tested Hornady XTP bullets using gallon water jugs. The first shot with 180 grain .40 S&W went through 5 jugs before exiting out the side. The second shot shed the jacket into the second jug and the lead core was in the 4th jug. The 124 grain 9 mm was in the 3rd jug with a perfect petal formation. Guns were a Glock 23 and Springfield XD9 subcompact.

[@redeye54]

Thanks for your service✊

[@jamesbabbath5306]

I agree that at the end of the day, shot placement is more important than the size of the bullet, but in most cases, the caliber affects how well and how accurately one can shoot the gun (inb4 I know the type of ammo affects this too, as was stated in the video). That's why I prefer 9mm; I can shoot much tighter groups more quickly and more consistently than I can with, say, .40 S&W. Great video!

[@iouund3rtak3r13]

.40 cal....enough said ,hands down .40 cal..great video, God bless..

[@j.r.777]

The department I work for uses Glock 22’s. I like the .40 S&W round. Our department uses Federal HST rounds. Personally, when off duty, I use Hornady Critical Duty rounds and carry a 9mm.

[@BBQDad463]

Thank you for this interesting, informative video.

[@neiljohnson6815]

I used .40 S&W because that's what my department issued.

[@michaelcorbin]

Awww man, you didn't even mention Kinetic Energy! ;) Great job covering the points. My research confirms what you contend. So long as you're using a) modern bonded-core hollow points, b) with a combined weight & muzzle velocity to generate 400+ ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle, and c) you train with that ammunition, 9mm/.40/.357Sig/.45 are all superior, real-world proven, threat-stoppers.

[@freefieldtraining]

+Michael Corbin truth. I'll still take my .357 though.

[@steveneast1238]

nice. above my head. carry on and thank you.

[@HoboBob]

New sub! Thanks officer!

[@georgeholt8929]

Let's look at some history for once, back in 1911 the War Department was thinking of changing the handgun used by the Army and Marines, which was the 38 Long Colt Cartridge so they asked for samples and so since John Browning was also trying to sale his new 1911 he entered his handgun in the new Colt cartridge the 45ACP, but someone in the War Department wanted to look at the New sidearm the Germans were using so they asked for some P-08's and they received the new 9mm luger ammunition. You do know why the War Department choice was with the 45ACP, rather than the 9mm luger, its because the 45ACP would kill a horse, where the 9mm would not.

[@frankwaltrip5807]

My Glock 21 sleeps beside my bed, I carry Glock 23 daily.

[@comanchedase]

George, holt! 1911 9mm is quite different then today's...I was quite avidly against a 9mm, thinking it was a woman's cartridge, but I changed my mind, now I think that pistol calibre is just not powerful enough for it to be given such a emphasis...in mg opinion we should carry something within limit (nothing under 9mm, nor over 357) but with a good round capacity, so nothing under 7 rounds. Anyway, it's all about the shotgun when it comes to big pressure. To me the rifle is an overkill on an urban environment.

[@georgeholt8929]

@@comanchedase Your point is well taken, but lets look at history, The reason the 9mm is the chosen cartridge of the FBI has more to do with the facts that agency has the requirment that its agents must qualify every 3-4 months with duty ammo. When the agency had that famous shootout in Florida some years ago they were armed with the 9mm and the Model 19 revolver in 357. So the bad guys had the 10mm and shot those FBI through the cars they were hiding behind. So the agency switched to the 10mm. Then too many agents were out on workers comp illness claims of wrists bones being broken. So S&W invented the 40 caliber, which is on paper similar to the 45 ACP. If the 9mm is superior then why does a officer of the law have to empty his gun into a suspect every time he has to use it on a criminal? The Army proved it in 1911, that a single shot of 45ACP was enough to kill a horse, while the 9mm would not.

[@jst601]

WTH?????

[@gophucyorselph5179]

@@jst601 The 1911 was the Zenith of technology while soldiers were still on horseback

[@isaidwtfover]

"You're a good man Lieutenant, a good man always knows his limitations."

[@KingOfYourMouth]

Got into a shoot out a little over 12 years ago with 3 Vice lord members, and this 22 model proved to be more than reliable.

[@bucknasty69]

Your Glock 22 has obviously served you well as you’re still here with us posting on KZbin. Godspeed brother, hope you’re still doing well today.

[@KingOfYourMouth]

@@bucknasty69 oh absolutely. I'm retired now but i will always appreciate the value of this pistol.

[@Mr1bigsexy]

I have the Glock 27 with a 357 Sig drop in barrel.never had a problem with anything with the 357 sig.i love that round

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

My cousin & his wife got a new SIG P320 .357sig pistol as a camp, outdoor gun. 😉. Hes happy with the specs & pistol but might get a 9mm for practice.

[@jatpack3]

When you are shooting an unarmed person while preforming a "wellness check" does it really matter?

[@iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii8818]

jatpack3 gtfo

[@jatpack3]

@@iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii8818 Atatiana Jefferson didnt care what caliber she was murdered with when fort worth PD shot her through her own window while checking to see if she was ok. She was until the local police gang showed up.

[@looseunit1615]

@@jatpack3 I guess you'd have to be on the spot to really know the truth.

[@jatpack3]

@@looseunit1615 oh yeah?

[@looseunit1615]

@@jatpack3 Yeah.

[@robertalford1321]

when "trendy gun guys" (LOL!) as stated by someone earlier gripe about felt recoil in the .40, yap endlessly about "shot placement", etc., and then state that they carry 9mm +P+ (+P+P) to make up the difference because "the ammo is better now...yeah, no. What theyve basically done is take a smooth shooting 9, and turned it right back into the 40 they love to hate. 40 s&w is a superior round for getting the job done, and I stillove my 9mm handguns even though I say this. If it ain't broke, don't fix it imo.

[@freefieldtraining]

+Robert Alford that's why I love my hi-power with standard pressure 9mm. Slick, soft shooting, easy to hit with. Why screw with that to make it something it was never meant to be?

[@jayzenitram9621]

I love that people badmouth .40. It allows me to buy really cool guns for a lot less money than the 9mm counterpart.

[@cmoore5654]

damn it why tell them that i like getting glock 23 that still have the copper grease in it for $300

[@MrOMAHA-op4rh]

Good way to put it. Also, some semi-autos get worn out quickly shooting a steady diet of 9mm +P+. When 9mm +P doesn't get the job done, go to a larger caliber.

[@philrichards5620]

Great video. I was never in law enforcement but having served in the military I shot the usual 5.56, 7.62, 9mm and .50 cal. My EDC pistol is 9mm and I feel proper shit placement is key. I did like how you explained about the difference between training ammo and duty ammo. When I would do my annual assigned weapons qual I noticed a difference in the recoil in the ammo being issued out on the range as opposed to if I shot the type of ammo I normally buy for self defense and shooting on my own time. I definitely agree with how that can hinder an inexperienced shooter if what you train on does not have as much of a recoil compared to what you carry in your duty ammo.

[@calanon534]

Fascinating stuff. I'm loving the free education, here.

[@ThePurpleNinja4209]

I dig the Lucky Gunner links. They're the only gun blog that I feel really does their homework and gives reliable advice. Also I'm waiting for the obligatory comment from the 10mm fanatics.

[@freefieldtraining]

+Alex hey! I resemble that remark!

[@chrisjones6002]

How's 40 Short & Weak? I just got my first 10mm so I can join the club, lol.

[@richfarfugnuven6308]

Alex obligatory 10mm fanatic. It's my hiking gun.

[@chubbycatfish4573]

Paul Harrell is another person that gives good advice.

[@zzyzxzee6374]

10mm or 11mm wharever it takes!

[@jgharts4949]

Thanks, wasn't aware of this, good info. Be safe out there! Just started checking out your channel. All the best to you in 2017!

[@freefieldtraining]

+JG Harts right back at ya!

[@CODGODS11]

wow thank you for everything !! its kinda scary that you guys don't train with the same ammo as your service weapon. god bless you

[@Tom_2025_]

Great video Sir!

[@charlesseeley9747]

40 cal is a superior round. More stopping power

[@campingman1942]

👍💪 that's a fact !!!!

[@828enigma6]

@william terry You're being obnoxious. The man is entitled to his opinion, no more and no less than yours.

[@tanman7879]

It does have more power but not enough to matter.

[@pnwcruiser]

Certainly has more energy...simple physics.

[@roosterfish3248]

The only people who think that stopping power isn't a real thing, have never done much hunting with a hand gun.