Freelee Doesn't Care About Babies (RE: Unnatural Vegan Pregnancy Diet 😳 VS FitShortieEats Raw Vegan)

My response to Freelee's comparison of my vegan pregnancy diet with FitShortie's fruitarian breastfeeding diet. Should be fun.
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[@UnnaturalVegan]

Obviously my diet isn't perfect. But I do my best to meet nutrient needs and maintain a healthy weight, while eating fun tasty foods. :)

[@TheDecoCottage]

That’s the way it should be! It’s all about balance. Most of the time our family eats really healthy, but occasionally we eat junk because it tastes good.

[@klaraj.3288]

and you don’t shame other people with non scientific ideological crap like miss banana does

[@boongiefruitie7690]

Please make a video on that Cosmicskeptic and Mikhaila Peterson convo ,like I'm beggin you

[@Goodmorning1221-]

--- _Obviously my diet isn't perfect_ --- Obviously.

[@LocaChoca]

The whole antiprotein focus that Freelee has is even more nonsensical when you are pregnant and breastfeeding. You are literally growing people, which requires protein.

[@louib716]

Anybody who doesn't think freelee is a narcissist is living in denial.

[@sparkle0859]

Yup, I was abused by a narcissist and freelee definitely has some familiar traits

[@janice9251]

@@sparkle0859 I don't understand. Why because she promotes a diet that works for her. I believe the earth gave us everything we need. I struggled my whole life until I found her diet, so I 'm sorry I have to defend. I do understand she is a bit too much to take sometimes, but I think she means well in the end.

[@minakoa7178]

Textbook

[@nom3nnescio]

@@janice9251 I feel so sorry for you. I hope you'll get over that.

[@missknight9]

@@janice9251 Because she tries to shame people (many who are often vulnerable) into diet and lifestyles that can potentially be very harmful. Freely may not have experienced the consequences of this diet (yet) and therefore rejects logic, concrete science, or any evidence this is possible. She attaches morality to food and health. She does all this for attention and profit. This is why. I wont even get into the eating disorder side of it all.

[@salenastellar6065]

if the goal of veganism is to end animal suffering why does it matter if you are eating foods other than fruit as a vegan

[@prettybullet7728]

I don't get that either. I've watched Freelee critic videos of vegans and criticizing them the whole time about the lack of fruit in their diet even though they are clearly eating fruit in what I would consider healthy portions.

[@6OceanSoul9]

It's not about veganism or animals anymore. It's about freelee's orthorexia and obsession with "clean" foods.

[@Immigrantwriter]

not a freelee fan at all but it does matter to the animals ultimately - if vegans eat unhealthy and look unappealing less people will believe veganism is good for humans. so there is this activism factor about it i guess. not that it’s the most important thing but it is a thing

[@6OceanSoul9]

@@Immigrantwriter well, you could make the opposite argument: by making vegans look like freaks that only eat tons of fruit, you are going to make people uninterested in veganism, on the other hand if you make it seem like a diet that looks more like what you already eat, people would think being vegan is not that hard. Also, swayze looks great

[@happyearthkitchen8097]

@@Immigrantwriter Fruitarianism is not always the best choice for the animals (or the earth). Most fruitarians do not live in the tropics and eat non-local fruit with an extremely high co2 footprint. Nothing good for the animals will come from that.

[@leahjenner6765]

The transition of Freelee from complete anti natalist who claimed to hate children to now constantly making videos on of pregnancy diets and reviewing pregnancy /mom related content has been wild to see .

[@ifihadfriends437]

Maybe she’s had some sort of maternal awakening

[@dallasjansen2226]

@@ifihadfriends437 it may be too late

[@JamesBlackkkkk]

if you show me proof of freelee being a "complete anti natalist" or even just an anti-natalist I will give you all of my life savings

[@leahjenner6765]

@@JamesBlackkkkk literally so many of her old videos ?

[@Jennyygottadance]

@@JamesBlackkkkk Some of her really old videos talked about it. She and Durian Rider always advocated for all men to get vasectomies and not have kids.

[@lilo_920]

Freelee's worrying about your caffeine consumption, saying "we don't know the long term effects", yet she happily supports fruitarianism... as if we know the long term effects of that! Let alone while pregnant. 🤷‍♀lol She's such a clown.

[@KristinaSandnes]

Also is she forgetting that people back in the day drank a lot more coffee and ate all sorts of food that we shouldn’t eat today, but people turned out fine? 😅 So we’ve already seen the long term affect that coffein has, since a lot of women drank coffee before and women still drink coffee while pregnant.

[@anonymous-wk1nr]

@@KristinaSandnes you're not supposed to drink coffee while pregnant. my doctor told me that.

[@PandasUNITE]

I don't think she cares about caffeine consumption, she cares that an unhealthy person is promoting unhealthy lifestyles and referring to it as healthy. It really is like Swayze didn't change her diet at all and still eats processed caffeinated crap and sells it to her followers meanwhile there are much healthier mamas eating fully raw and having much healthier pregnancies. Like...look at this, this is garbage to promote to other mothers.

[@user-vc8qf7ho2h]

I love how Freelee's anti-natalist but not when fruitarians are reproducing

[@JamesBlackkkkk]

if you show me proof of freelee being an anti-natalist I will give you all of my life savings

[@sparkle0859]

Which is weird because the purpose of antinatalism is to prevent child suffering, and fruitarian kids suffer even more than normal kids. She should be *extra* antinatalist when fruitarians are reproducing lol

[@KateeAngel]

Yeah yikes. I am anti-natalist, and her brand of anti-natalism always seemed a bit off. "Extreme" anti-natalists treat it like ideology, not like philosophy, and that is cringe

[@roseg2239]

She's not and has never been an anti-natalist.

[@user-vc8qf7ho2h]

@@roseg2239 She has had and still has videos of herself stating that she is.

[@UskInaTE]

When Freelee speaks all I hear is orthorexia, like the way she demonizes food is so scary and dangerous.

[@b3thamphetamine]

Doesn't she actually hate babies too? I always thought she was super anti-natalist.

[@anastaciazara1787]

Ok. Freelee's implication that FitShortieEats had two babies in her 40s because she's fruitarian is BS. Harmful BS.

[@KateeAngel]

Yeah and actually having babies in 40s wasn't that rare historically, when women reproduced up to menopause. Nowadays many just consciously choose not to have babies that late. But most women are still capable of giving birth at 40-45, and some even later

[@anastaciazara1787]

@@KateeAngel That's not really true. Half of women are effectively infertile at 40.5yo, which makes sense because the average age of menopause is 51yo and most women become effectively infertile 10 years before entering menopause. I don't think that it was historically common for women to continue to conceive all the way up until menopause. Historically, the average age of last pregnancy was around 38-40yo, with very few births occurring after 42-43yo. By 45, pretty much all women are effectively infertile. There are exceptions, but they are rare. What I object to in Freelee's comment is the implication that women who are struggling to conceive in their 40s need only switch to a fruititarian diet in order to be a bastion of fertility, which is complete garbage.

[@carmen4479]

@@KateeAngel these are all harmful myths that women advocate by repeating it over and over. We don't know our own bodies and want to pretend that biological facts are bs. Biological facts are the only facts.

[@marciavoe6284]

@@anastaciazara1787 Women during pri menopause and menopause aren’t infertile. People going to read this and think they can slack with contraceptions and be surprised when they be unlucky or blessed whatever way you see it. Of course the chances are drastically lower but it’s not nothing.

[@bizzapandare1209]

@@anastaciazara1787 But you are forgetting about one thing - nutrition. It's not surprising that we start ovulating/periods earlier by every generation, thanks to better education about nutrition or biological need. In medieval times, women would get periods not every month but couple times in year, depended on Thier life style, working in the field, food would be spare for half of year, parasites, illnesses and pregnancies, so the menopause would kick in in Thier 40-50. Now, we are reaching the full possibilities of our bodies, so having a child in your 40-50 is more common than before, especially when we can live up to 80-90.

[@sarahbiernat3630]

The child development major in me is shivering at Freelee's diet. It also makes me cackle that she calls Abby Sharp's diet child abuse and neglect. Good thing Freelee doesn't have her own children, otherwise, hotline calls would be made instantly lol.

[@abbybrown638]

Being purposely vitamin deficient seems criminal in the first trimester. Her babies poor organs and brain. If you know you have a condition take the prenatal.

[@RyanYewell]

The "even if she births the child" I think shows Freelee has some serious issues. It's an incredible faux pas that any woman should know you don't say those things.

[@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty]

Eh, I will say as a woman I actually do think we should quit talking about pregnancy like it has any sure outcomes. She means it as an insult, BUT refusing to talk about miscarriages just hurts women who do miscarry more. Being aware of your risks and possible outcomes can help you brace incase anything does happen and acknowledging it helps those who have had them feel more normal. Because that is normal, incredibly normal. Being a bit more open medically speaking is what I mean, not insulting people's fertility.

[@RyanYewell]

I'm not saying don't talk about miscarriages, I'm saying there is a difference between talking about miscarriages, and saying someone specifically could/might have one. Miscarriages are common, but you don't say to a pregnant woman "hey you could/will have a miscarriage if..." You say things like "such and such increases the risk of miscarriage." Just like you don't talk about the potential OUTCOME of kidnappings/etc. with parents, you talk about things to be done to mitigate risks to protect their kids. @@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty

[@tabi8397]

@@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty i don't think it's about not acknowledging miscarriages or diferent outcomes. it's just highly insensitive. pregnancy is already incredibly stressful, why needlessly stress and upset someone more by using that tone and language? you can acknowledge someone is doing something harmful WITHOUT being so callous. freelee obviously doesn't have a leg to stand on but even if she did, she could express it without being cruel and insensitive.

[@Kitty4u]

As someone who is mentally ill I HATE the whole "your body knows what it wants". No my body does not!! My body tells me to harm myself and others...

[@lostone9700]

My body wants quadruple bypasse burgers

[@raapyna8544]

@Linus I feel amazing and relaxed after eating pizza, doesn't mean I should eat it every day. And usually I feel the best after eating when I have been hungry for many hours before that. Doesn't mean I shouldn't eat regularly..

[@leasigismondi897]

Yeah it's like they forgot we have brains. And brains are tricky.

[@laurenelizabeth2505]

That has to do with mindset and old habits die hard..especially with perceived dopamine hits. Wait, harm others? That is darkness, from depression. Sunlight helps.

[@leander8840]

My body tells me to eat nothing and then just can anything you find it's all the same to it so no I won't listen thanks

[@JennRighter]

For Leah to accuse you of harming your unborn child because you drank some coffee while pregnant is just one of the many, many times she's crossed the line. That is unacceptable.

[@heyitmaggie2390]

Who’s Leah?

[@Laplantelatte]

@@heyitmaggie2390 I think maybe they meant Leanne, which I believe is Freelee's actual name.

[@naryainc]

And then goes on to say, "let's say she does birth the child", which is just unnecessarily cruel and misinformed.

[@mysticalfloralgirl7445]

Damn. First Freelee blamed Yovana for her miscarriage, and now she's saying Swayze harmed her baby because she drank coffee?! Disgusting. How many lines is Freelee willing to cross, because she already crossed a lot.

[@paperfrost]

You shouldn’t drink coffee while pregnant. There’s research on the harmful effects of doing so. I don’t think that particular statement is crossing a line. We shouldn’t normalize using a drug (caffeine) while pregnant, any more than we should normalize smoking while pregnant. Doing so sets a bad example.

[@Princessusch]

You know, when I still followed Freelee and actually liked her, I always thought that she simply chose not to show us the pictures where she was sooooo fat. Like she told us she had been. Now I feel stupid. Those "before" pictures WERE those pictures. My brain just couldn't comprehend how that body could ever be called fat. Oh my god.

[@rpstgag]

I am CACKLING because I thought the same thing! "Oh she must've hated having photos taken when she was bigger due to self consciousness." I started to understand that she was never really fat once my frontal lobe fully developed.

[@leander8840]

@@rpstgag i loved that last bit lmao

[@Turtletoots3]

She has an ED basically.

[@Princessusch]

@@Turtletoots3 Obviously, yeah. I hope she finds the help she needs

[@Gingersnaps_the_pumpkin_kitty]

She has an ED, nobody can convince me otherwise. The obsession with looks and food man.

[@ginanotafan1039]

Tina doesnt brush her teeth bc she thinks the fibers in fruit naturally clean them. Need we say any more? That one thing pretty much tells me everything I need to know, lol.

[@TheNhanvey]

My last pregnancy my body wanted to drink mouth wash. 🤣🤣

[@marieantoinettepaddelboot3149]

Your body is so wise! I shall do the same when I'm pregnant!

[@wel408]

The thing that kills me the most about her is that her before and afters are always just "LOOK I USED TO BE GORGEOUS WITH A STUPID HAIRCUT AND NOW I'M GORGEOUS WITHOUT A STUPID HAIRCUT AND I DO MORE CARDIO" .....okay? Is she trying to tell me eating more bananas will fix my supercuts fail? I don't get it.

[@juliamelody7625]

whenever I eat quinoa/pasta/potatoes/bread I get a little freelee voice in my head saying "very beige" in a disappointed tone and it's lowkey ruining my life lmao

[@daviddudley1791]

Haha. I always find myself uttering "war time food" in my head when I eat oatmeal

[@juliamelody7625]

@@daviddudley1791 yeeees haha! I ate like a pound of fruit yesterday and my freelee voice said "that's a very small serve of fruit" in a judgmental tone

[@MichelleReacts94]

If it’s war time food you would survive longer than her because her food is perishable

[@barbettecaravaggio7675]

eat all these great foods, it is what people in the blue zones eat. yes they eat fruit too... but they eat all the good food! try and quiet freelee's orthorexic voice in your head... she's very harmful. i sympathise because i was also very influenced by her once, leading to terrible results. what we do know is that the blue zones, mediterranean diets cause for a healthy body and generally better longevity. plant based for the win. freelee's diet has absolutely zero science, except that, sure, fruit is healthy... but ONLY fruit? good luck...

[@JuliasHairJourney]

Freelee and Durianrider used to do raw until 4 and lied about being completely raw for several years before the admitted they had been eating cooked food at night for years. She ate corn, pasta, and potatoes for her dinner meals.

[@the.paige.turner]

Freelee is so condescending and delusional. I guess this is her world and we are just living in it. 🙄

[@darbydeford6270]

The Freelee content will just never get old for me, as someone who watched my first Freelee video at 12y/o on vacation. The next morning at the hotel breakfast I tried to eat 5 bananas and made it through 3 before I got sick 😂

[@lostone9700]

Oh god no. Ug.

[@heatherbaldwin3750]

Aww, you were 12. Poor thing. Also, the bananas in the US aren't nearly as good as the ones from other countries

[@darbydeford6270]

@@heatherbaldwin3750 the bananas at the Cincinnati holiday inn are certainly not known for their quality. 🙃

[@mairzydoats4879]

A large part of me is terrified for freelee. That guy gives off so many red flags in the video where he says he's going to sue her because she can't get away this time. They've been separated for so many years now, yet he still can't let go. When he said he knew the area around her home like the back of his hand I got bad bad vibes. I hope I'm wrong.

[@arabellasskinboots2508]

is this durian rider? I haven't kept up with freelee at all

[@Jenoveba]

They do make a dry/powdered version of soy milk, so if you'd really like to go all in on the "bunker food," you can! 😄

[@rpstgag]

Putting preferred aesthetics aside, fat is simply protective in old age. Body fat stores are a crucial part of the physiological reserve... As we age, having a little extra cushion (figuratively and literally) is often the difference between surviving common ailments and dying of pneumonia.

[@Karltonx]

It blows me away she has NO education and has a following

[@Laiika93]

My great grand mother, who reportedly was drinking A LOT of coffee, had 8 kids. They all are currently aged from 79 to 91 and are all ALIVE and quite healthy regarding to their age. My great grand mother made it to 104

[@theprousteffect9717]

Honestly, anecdotes are pretty meaningless.

[@annnee6818]

​@@theprousteffect9717Yes but a little coffee is still fine in pregnancy

[@oliviatheresa]

Freelee is aware that thousands of women give birth to very healthy babies even though they are not on a fruit diet right????🙄 I just don't get the way she thinks. It's so disturbing.

[@raygin6581]

And a lot of women that drink coffee 😂

[@pudupudu9837]

When I was pregnant my body craved all the fruit and fruit juice in the world, and that turned out to be because I had gestational diabetes (I wasn’t tested routinely because I’m not overweight and in my country they only test if you are or have other markers). My body was stupid 🤦‍♀️

[@joyhorina6109]

Is it stupid or is it doing it's best to point out that something is wrong / off/ deficit etc? Interesting

[@effy_kujo]

I'm so sorry to hear that. It's odd because, I was under the impression that being overweight had nothing to do with gestational diabetes & that it's just something that can develop during any pregnancy? I was 95 lbs when I conceived & was still tested for it, as it's routine here in the usa (the prep for that test was awful) & thankfully was negative however, my sister who was also thin when she conceived, ended up having it but, at least she was aware so she could do what needed to be done diet wise (can't recall if she had to take medication). Maybe overweight or prediabetic/diabetic people are more likely to develop it but, I remember my ob telling me it's just something that can occur, healthy or not 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@justinad508]

@@effy_kujo Weight makes it more likely, thought anyone can get it.

[@anuke123]

Same! All I wanted was fruit and it turned out I had GDM. Thankfully my country does the routine testing.

[@tinabenson1492]

@@effy_kujo Yeah, I agree with you. I was 98 lbs. when I got pregnant and I was so nauseous & lost weight. After 3 months I coul finally keep some food down--just tacos & fruit. Then I was tested and had gestational diabetes. I still worry about it cuz they say you might get it later in life if you get it with your pregnancy!

[@sljj9106]

I have pernicious anemia which is a common cause of b12 deficiency; my body can’t absorb it from my food so I have to get an injection every few months. I can’t imagine not caring about my b12, especially while pregnant!!! Just knowing how awful I feel when my b12 is low I can’t imagine not wanting to take care of it.

[@xSwordLilyx]

Yes it is painful and painful because you are damaging your nerves, I haven't stopped supplementing since I started

[@codename495]

I have that too! I hate the injections, but I have had good results with sublingual B12 drops. I still need the injections but I don’t drop so low between.

[@jademack7199]

As a woman who is in her early 40s as well, being aware of the risk of osteoporosis is very important. Tina (or anyone really) should be watching their calcium levels. I can't eat dairy so i have to make sure i'm getting it other ways.

[@justsomeguy2825]

Nothing freelee has said about coffee has ever applied to me. But she makes it sound like it should. I've never felt dependent on it, I've always liked the taste of black coffee, and it has never given me heart palpitations, even though I have a very low tolerance to caffeine (normally I just get anxious if I overdo it).I've gone long periods without drinking it, and felt no difference in my energy levels. All this after 9 years of drinking 1 maybe 2 cups a day. It's anecdotal, but freelee acts as if her advice is universal to everyone.

[@6OceanSoul9]

Same here! I like drinking it but feel no different when I don't

[@xSwordLilyx]

Yeah, I don't see why people view coffee specifically as so addictive. I get migraines and my brain that likes to throw hissy fits over every little thing is fine if I have coffee for 3 or 4 days and take a day or three off, and that is my normal pattern. I like a light or medium roast coffee and drink decaf regularly also. My mom goes addictive/ binging with it, but my mom is bipolar and she is that way in all aspects. I have seen extreme addiction in people I know personally who drink energy drinks, though.

[@mroctober3657]

How many pregnancies has Freelee sabotaged with her terrible nutrition advice?

[@LaRa-hu8yp]

People who listen to freelee shouldn’t reproduce

[@minakoa7178]

Or how many she’s terminated?

[@Aceofwolves]

I mean...Freelee called out and blamed a woman's miscarriage on that person's diet. Despite the fact that that woman's doctor confirmed that the miscarriage had NOTHING to do with it.

[@mroctober3657]

@@Aceofwolves That sounds like classic Freelee.

[@emilycampbell4909]

The problem with her is nothing is ever fair. She doesn't even pretend or try to fairly criticized people

[@lealeawalker1820]

Omg Freelee is obnoxious, isn’t she?! So judgmental meanwhile Swayze is over here just so calm and living her best caffeine fuelled life. Made my day. 😂❤❤

[@Kx____]

I find it interesting how obsessed she is with pregnany diets/people who are pregnant despite being kinda anti-children?

[@powderandpaint14]

I don't think she was anti children, she was more against having children herself.

[@tinyturquoise94]

@@powderandpaint14 she called people who had children selfish so she's very antinatalist in general.

[@powderandpaint14]

@@tinyturquoise94 a lot of people who have children are selfish! She might be an antinatalist, but that means she thinks people shouldn't have children, not that she hates them.

[@tinyturquoise94]

@@powderandpaint14 bro why don't you actually watch the video she talks about being antinatalist before pretending to know what you're talking about. Also just because some people who have children just so happen to be selfish, doesn't mean they all are. Some people who don't have children are also selfish, doesn't mean they all are. Now please go watch the videos before you say anything else embarrassing.

[@tejo29se]

It's the same with anti religious people who deny the existance of God and Jesus. I believe there's some entity out there in some form or another. If you read Heinz Hegers book The Men With The Pink Triangle you will know

[@Aceofwolves]

Freelee REALLY out here treating caffeine like it's alcohol. Like I've NEVER heard of "fetal caffeine syndrome"

[@HelloWorld-cq1sq]

Obviously coffee isn't as bad as alcohol, but I'm still not entirely convinced that coffee is as harmless as people pretend it is. If a scientist who uses weed daily said "my research shows that weed is fine", you'd be at least a bit sceptical, right? Well, almost certainly the scientists who research coffee drink coffee daily.

[@katydid5088]

​@HelloWorld-cq1sq The dose makes the poison. With your logic people suffer debilitating illness while drinking water, which is a chemical substance loaded with other things, and yet no one is going to claim it's severely adverse to wellbeing with the caveat, it CAN be harmful at high doses. Thus generally with coffee there's enough evidence to support moderate intakes are safe. Giving vaugye statements with too many confounding variables and no way you isolate or compare the variables in the analysis is firmly in the personal biases land of claims.

[@iluvpink1176]

I just wanna say I’m 15 and went vegan in late august and your channel has helped me so much to stay nutritious thank you

[@Tarrynn]

So many of these raw vegans lie anyway. When I was raw vegan for 6 months, I spent the next couple years so guilty about eating cooked food or junk food that I continued to only post raw food. And if I were pregnant… I cannot imagine how many cravings I would have and feel guilty about.

[@asexualatheist3504]

I rather rely on peer-reviewed studies rather than ‘my body knows what it needs.’

[@gothgirlatheart3545]

Also noticed how she’s OK with fit Shorty eats having juice as long as the rest of her diet has fiber in it… But every single time she talks about Christina she knocks her down😂

[@stacyq7656]

You come across as respectful, she comes across as super judgmental.

[@yabby2000]

She is the most judgmental, hateful person, especially towards women. She oozes insecurity and jealousy

[@AimeeColeman]

I'm allergic (not anaphylaxis, but mouth/stomach ulcers) to all raw citrus fruits, pineapple, kiwi, strawberries, and nearly any fruit I eat if I have a lot of it (like, more than 2 serving of basically any raw fruit) I'd like to know what freelee would have me eat to be "natural". I don't like bananas, they all taste like nail polish, so...guess I'd just starve 😂

[@blatio8131]

Freelee is an idiot. She has no knowledge of how peoples body’s make different enzymes that digest different things. If she ever is in a war and is forced to eat rations, she will die from dysentery because she trained her body to only run on fruit lol

[@LoudnessInc7]

I’m the same boat as you! I can’t have any of those fruits either! Bananas belong in banana bread with chocolate chips imho🤤

[@yogarcia6066]

She'd probably say you have 'metabolic damage' or something and to keep trying

[@lollsazz]

If bananas aten't overly ripe, they don't taste nail polish 😊 Actually, melons and pears also produce acetone when they get overly ripe - I'm especially disgusted by acetone-molons 🤢

[@AimeeColeman]

@@lollsazz Yeah, underripe bananas don't taste too much like nail polish, but they do taste like chalk. I used to love bananas, especially the smell, but since I got covid in 2020 and lost my sense of smell and taste completely, it came back different, and now all bananas taste quite poisonous.😅

[@mroctober3657]

If Freelee had never heard of veganism or Durianrider she probably would've lived a normal happy family life.

[@Vamusika]

When someone goes into extremes of something and are obsessive about it, it's usually not because of the thing itself; more so because of their own tendency to do so. If not raw vegan, she would've found something else to be obsessive about. Hence, Inner work always comes before any external changes.

[@apostrophe.t]

She was vegan before Harley, but he is such an extremist and I definitely feel like he made her into the type of "vegan influencer" she is now. The views come with the controversy. What I still cannot understand is why Freelee hates on certain vegans (e.g. Swayze) - I thought her whole thing was to convert people to the vegan lifestyle. So what if they aren't raw fruit vegan? No animals are harmed either way

[@OxundHeiner]

hard to say. some people just have obsessive tendencies somehow ingrained in their personality and character.

[@barbettecaravaggio7675]

@@apostrophe.t It is because Freelee has a very insecure, petty personality... she is not consistent at all. A "real" vegan (sorry for the terrible phrasing, stealing it from her vocabulary to make a point) would put personal issues aside and put her "ethics" above such petty thing as "oh no Swayze critiqued my diet, now i have to attack her the rest of my life, at all cost". it is very high school, infantile behaviour... And no, she doesn't care one bit about the babies, she only cares about her skinniness and her online persona. it is sickening. and kind of sad, too. she is a very fragile human being...both mentally and physically. people like this have no role in "educating" parents how to parent. She has absolutely no clue and is stuck in her obsessive eating disorder. STAY. FAR. AWAY.

[@powderandpaint14]

Or just a happier life, people don't need to have children to be happy.

[@mauriannapiccirilli983]

She’s calling other peoples good beige but she’s eating cooked food again like rice and potatoes 😂

[@mumufeeder]

Was waiting for someone to bring this up. She has been eating cooked food. Does she really address this anyway?

[@mdigityz]

“My body is dumb” yeah my body wants hamburgers and fries, that doesn’t mean it’s the healthy thing.

[@leaharvey5201]

When you said « what’s wrong with this ? » about Freelee’s « before » picture, I cannot agree more with you. The implication could easily trigger someone who has an eating disorder, or could even plant a seed in the head of someone who has a healthy weight, the seed being the little voice that says « you’re not good enough. Not slim enough. » I think she looks almost underweight in her second picture. Being underweight is not healthy and shouldn’t be a goal to achieve.

[@marad786]

Thank you for saying this! I'm willing to bet every single penny in my bank account that Freelee's 'before' bmi was comfortably within the healthy range.

[@sparkle0859]

Yup, I used to look like Freelee's "before" pic before my eating disorder and I was at a healthy BMI of 20.5. Freelee is def underweight in the "after" pic, I'm slightly underweight now and I have much more body fat than her.

[@laranadesign4764]

Pre-workout and post-workout is how I see them. Not fat, but healthy and lazy (not toned with extra fat burn) which is totally fine and relatable.

[@6OceanSoul9]

Freelee has clearly had an eating disorder for years

[@anjiliveach3267]

23:27 You actually can purchase powdered plant- based milks! They're available online. It can be nice to have just in case you run out of soymilk in the fridge right as you're preparing food or something and it's not a good time to go to the store. You could probably add it to smoothies too for added protein without making it watery

[@anandabricker3396]

Lol. Like the cover of her book doesn’t make people “fall for the marketing”.

[@kingak1365]

I literally can't believe how calm you are. Lots of love for you. Freelee's comments are disgusting...

[@thirstyfish7882]

Wow, one minute in and she’s baiting you to respond to previous slanders. I get that this is a video tailored to criticising your diet during pregnancy (like the most personal you can get!!) but I just can’t help but feel that she is doing this to get her subscription numbers up again (you have near 10 times the amount of viewers she does!). Shes a materialist rather than one who cares about any nutritional academic integrity like you do. Congratulations on having 3 healthy kids and being a healthy loving Mommy.

[@pattycarljackson]

Freelee is psychotic in my opinion. She wants apologies but doesn’t take accountability for what she says.

[@Mellyouttaphase]

That woman is so far gone at this point. If anybody is taking her seriously, I would be hugely concerned for their mental health, too. As for the Durian Rider thing, there is a cynical part of me that wouldn’t be surprised if it was staged, they both luuurve the controversy. Look at the way she baits Swayze. It’s a bit… weird .

[@katfoster845]

I like fruit, but there's a limit. I couldn't eat just fruit all day every day. It's boring for one thing. No more veggie sausages or pasta. You can't have pizza or chips. Or even like the leek and potato soup with a crusty bread roll I had for lunch. For most people, that's a tasty, healthy meal. Maybe not if it's the BBC good food recipe that calls for an entire pot of cream. But my one that has lentils, leeks, potatoes and onion is pretty healthy.

[@charburford2047]

yep. I've NEVER done rawtill4, but I did used to incorporate elements of what Freelee says to do in my diet (HEAPS of fruit, unlimited carbs etc) and I was ALWAYS ravenous! It eventually lead me to binging on not so great foods and gaining everything back. My digestion was also awful- was always so bloated.

[@MichelleReacts94]

I found freelees diet would make my teeth and gums hurt for an hour

[@misssmary3989]

Can Freelee tell me how I'm 45 and have a great body without eating raw? How I can achieve this while eating Taco Bell? Wow. Maybe it's genetics and exercise.

[@lcurry789]

curious over here, too. Two kids, almost 35, and I still look great. I'm sure it's not the McNuggets

[@limonlabr]

I wonder if Freelee is aware that clothing that covers a belly button actually exists

[@dawnbishop5803]

She used to but it is really hot where she lives.

[@Hiiiiiiiiieeee]

I really think a lot of these girls just look at their body and see how thin they are and that they have abs so they automatically assume what they’re doing is healthy. Unfortunately they’re going to find out eventually that they have done major damage to parts of their body that will never recover.

[@WhoTookMyMirr]

Freelee needs to learn to butt out of other people's business. She strikes me as the kind of person who is so unhappy that she has to put other people down constantly just to feel better about her own life.

[@valeriegrimsley9666]

i so agree

[@spicymayo623]

When I was pregnant my body wanted me to drink Downy. Lol my body definitely doesn't know what it needs.

[@theunicornrainbow363]

I have some weird genetic thing as well... my doctor said I lack an enzyme and I can't really absorb B12. I get a shot every year. And if she has the same... she would really look forward to that shot. It feels like you're a character in a game and someone reloads your ❤.

[@ByeByeBelly]

Intrinsic factor

[@raapyna8544]

@@richardcardinale7152 Why are you carnivore? What's with the extremes? Do you live in the Arctic?

[@sweetlolitaChii]

I'm pregnant with my first baby and started incorporating new plant based or vegan foods to help my pregnancy and support my baby's development, especially lentils and beans in place of chicken. If I was exposed to the raw food vegan diet or fruitarian diet before learning about reductionism and a variety of vegan options, I would have just given up trying at all. I would have thought I could never do any vegan changes because it was too restrictive, so I'm so glad I learned about all the plant based options

[@justsomeguy2825]

Why is an anti natalist giving advice on pregnancies? That really seems like a conflict of interest.

[@hazeltropix1170]

Usually when people have a gene problem with B vitamins, it’s called MTHFR gene expression. It means that you have to take methylated B12 and folate, and you can get very ill from taking regular B12. And then you have to make sure that all your other B vitamins are without regular B12 and folate. There’s a supplement called B minus which has all the vitamins minus the ones that the genes can’t Change into the methylation version, because genes are what create enzymes so it’s actually a deficiency in the enzyme. This would also mean that it’s very dangerous to take in grains or other foods that are enriched with B vitamins.

[@Shelf_Improvement]

My body prefers Taco Bell and Pepsi. Should I start a KZbin channel?

[@prettynditzygal434]

Yes 😂

[@ellunaguma7789]

lmao, as a pregnant type 1 diabetic, I haven't eaten much fruits in months. Pregnancy hormones make my blood glucose go up and down like crazy, adding fruits to this (or anything carby really) would be just a disaster and result in an obese baby and other complications. And then there are all the women who develop insulin resistance and thus gestational diabetes because of pregnancy, none of them should be eating any fruits. Pregnancy is already a natural state of insulin resistance, no need to add these extreme amounts of fructose to it 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@anarchyneverdies3567]

I think freely may be more worried about aesthetics than the welfare of animals. Most of us are here for the same reason, why shame others who just don't want to kill someone in order to eat?

[@jackiesesthetics88]

She’s a basic orthorexic beesh

[@raapyna8544]

I don't think she's vegan, I think she's plant-based for her eating disorder.

[@aunt_jozzy]

Great video! I was wondering what you think about alcoholic drinks while on a vegan diet. I know a lot of alcoholic beverages use animal products in weird ways in the production process but I’m curious to know if you would consider that negligible or something vegans should avoid.

[@marljusweety]

They rarely mention it, but fit shorty eats and her family has told us on instagram that they take supplements as recommended by their doctor. And they eat stuff like fungi and nuts. And seaweed. So they try to make sure they all get all nutrients needed.

[@CanadaxIreland]

You read my mind! I was rewatching your old freelee reactions this morning! Perfect timing

[@catherinecase1142]

Anecdotally, I have firsthand experience of nausea as a potential confounding variable that links caffeine and miscarriage (like Emily Oster describes). My first pregnancy, I had no nausea and craved coffee constantly after cutting down to safe levels, and the pregnancy stopped developing around 8 weeks. My second pregnancy, there were entire weeks where I couldn’t stomach coffee, and now I have a healthy 8 month old. I don’t think the coffee itself was harmful, but for me, feeling well enough for coffee was a bad sign.

[@AimeeColeman]

I suppose in a way it could make sense that your hormones are the third factor - hormone profile can affect caffeine craving (I know personally I have a period coming up when I totally go off coffee), as well as obviously affecting nausea and pregnancy. Obviously I don't have any studies at hand or know if they're actually linked, but it sounds quite reasonable.

[@ByeByeBelly]

Oh I'm sorry. Lack of nausea can occasionally be because the hormones weren't very high like they should be (if you are prone to pregnancy nausea)

[@ByeByeBelly]

Low levels due to an issue with the embryo, I mean

[@meganjoy9225]

I drank coffee through my pregnancies. My babies were fine and they are now 10 and 12 and still fine….

[@draha67]

Anecdotal. Scientific consensus is that you can have two cups of coffee per day during pregnancy, and that's what matters.

[@popefrancis80]

It's almost like she doesn't care about the animals, which is what this is all actually about, and instead cares more about looking down on other's diets, even though we are supposedly fighting the same fight. She is definitely plant-based and not vegan, as it seems she is only doing this for her own "benefit" (which she won't have much of from her crappy diet). A vegan who survives on ultra-processed food is just as vegan as one who only eats healthy whole foods, as it's not about about that, irregardless of which is healthier.

[@jule5745]

Starting the day with “fake sugar” and coffee ? Poor Freelee 😂

[@jacklynn1585]

Quite certain Freelee only cares about winning arguments, not actually understanding or learning.

[@MidnightAngel264]

If anyone is guilty of confirmation bias, it's Freelee! She's a walking contradiction 🙄

[@brymom1067]

I agree. As you get older, a little meat on you makes you look younger IMO.

[@Castkett4ever]

I'm the polar opposite of you, coffee wise: I drink it iced all year 'round because, to me, it tastes weird when it's warm

[@powerofpizzazz]

i loled so much when she said you fell for barebell's marketing😂

[@effy_kujo]

Kinda like people falling for her raw til 4 marketing 🤔

[@stardust1347]

The only thing freelee looks for is tuff that supports what she's thinking. She is the walking definition of confirmation bias.

[@lollyb8808]

As someone who is whole food plant based when i was pregnant everything was beige. My first 8 weeks consisted of soy chips, weetbix and plain spaghetti because everything else made me vomit.

[@Aceofwolves]

I had pica when I was little and use to literally eat metal. Thankfully I outgrew it. So yeah that whole "body is wise" thing is BS. I also crave doughnuts and steak but I know I shouldn't eat it everyday.

[@katerinajoan257]

Omg Freelea is so mean lol. I wish she could have her disagreements and still be kind!!

[@KCGLivingInGray]

Walking Chemical Experiment merch relaunch on the way?

[@UnnaturalVegan]

Still here! unnatural-vegan.creator-spring.com/

[@camerontuck108]

I feel bad for freelee in how durian rider is harassing her. It’s inappropriate and I wish her some privacy and peace from him

[@Savvymoon-]

Your “given the response to Covid” comment is spot on!

[@laranadesign4764]

Cereal got me through a lot of tough times, but I do genuinely enjoy eating it. The pecan one is SO GOOD! The best granola cereal, yum!

[@asexualatheist3504]

Our ancient distant ancestors were on to something when they learned to cook. I think I like cooked food.

[@laranadesign4764]

Thanks to you, I tried the Butler curls. I failed the first time, but man I have it down now! My dad who is not vegan asked me to make another batch next time I come over. The buffalo style is his favorite tho garlic sounds amazing.

[@WelcomeToTheRennaissance]

Thank your for existing, you're amazing. Please keep is up

[@ByeByeBelly]

What does freelee think about people that don't have much of a sweet tooth and love savoury food?

[@natashasays]

I wonder too. I have like no sweet tooth at all.

[@soosayer9893]

Freelee, who is happy to anoint when it suits her, hates children and has a diet that is so bad, she has to stuff her face full of fillers and blame dental work 😂😂😂😂😂 And there are people who believe her! BTW - those before and pictures were massively photoshop!

[@rowenaanderson3739]

I stopped eating bananas with spots after starting a home compost. Now they just smell like compost to me...

[@littlelilly1352]

I see overwrite bananas all the time because I was always testing for eating disorder, but I can tell you if you’re gonna eat spotty bananas, make it into like a banana bread or something you won’t be able to taste the difference and the fact that she ate so much food I’m surprised your teeth. Haven’t fallen out yet even if you fall off and brush your day fruit has so much I forget what kind of acid in them they can rot your teeth so easily.

[@gothgirlatheart3545]

I love how you put this woman in her place❤

[@theprousteffect9717]

Freelee was one of the many influences that fueled my disordered eating. I'm so embarrassed to admit that I followed her for years and for whatever reason looked to her as some kind of authority on health. It took her making a video on Robin Williams right after he committed suicide in 2014, and blaming his non-vegan diet for his mental state, that finally helped me see how offensively, self-righteously full of crap she is. At best, she's done terrible things for the vegan community and turned a lot of people off entirely. But I shudder to think of all the people who've been sucked in by her rhetoric and wrecked their health and lives even worse than I did taking her advice. I'm sorry Swayze has had to deal with Freelee's nonsense and borderline bullying over the years.

[@katarzynarymszo929]

I shouldn't be suprised that Freelee blames Robin Williams diet for his suicide and mental Health, but still. She's at this point Has a mentality of anti-vegans who blames vegan/vegetarian diets for peoples mental illness and disorders only on a opposite side. I think Freelee is bad for veganism, it's good that she at least is not anti B12 supplements.

[@katarzynarymszo929]

Also really sorry that you fall for her advices and I'm glad that you don't follow it now

[@user-vn6xo2tc9r]

How is Freelee not banned on YT 😳

[@leaharvey5201]

I’m not even able to eat ONE ripe banana! 🤢 I don’t understand when Freelee says that’s important wtf 🤣

[@teainortakoy]

Same, yellow with brown spots and its off to the freezer for a future banana cake! 😃

[@lollsazz]

@@teainortakoy Yea, great for banana bread or pancakes, disgusting for just chomping down!

[@MichelleReacts94]

The only thing ripe bananas are good for is baking and smoothies

[@cornsail]

I agree with everything in this video except for the title. You didn't demonstrate that Freely doesn't care about babies, just that she's clueless about health and nutrition. I have no love for Freely, but I like that you *usually* avoid being needlessly inflammatory--no need to stoop to her level.

[@Kitty4u]

I am actually addicted to caffeine. Ive gone 11 days, unwillingly, without caffeine and it was hell. Yea I'd rather stay addicted...

[@boongiefruitie7690]

Please make a video on the Cosmicskeptic and Mikhaila Peterson convo please please !!! I really wanna hear your opinion on that😭😭

[@susanbartlett5052]

I would never have a meal of fruit, or even a snack. Even when fruit is particularly delicious I know I need to have at least a handful of nuts or I won't be satisfied and will be hungry again soon. Usually I eat fruit with or after every meal or snack.

[@brittanygancarz2475]

Love how she’s like - she didn’t change her diet at all. Correct, ma’am! Do not feel the need!

[@AlienZizi]

freelee is so delusionally surprised that swayze isn't following her advice?? 😭😭