French Dassault Rafale Vs Greek F-16 Viper DOGFIGHT | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Check out the Store: growling-sidewinder.creator-spring.com/ If anyone is wondering why I'm flaring in a guns only fight, its just good practice to flare whenever you can identify that you inside of an IR wez (weapon employment zone), thanks for watching guys and I'll see you in the next one, Much Love.

[@ryanmcginn2000]

Thanks again GS, Loving your videos.

[@One-op8hf]

The same fight pakistan vs india

[@jamison884]

Thanks GS. Can you help me out and throw some knowledge at us? 1. You've shown the F-16 is an amazing two-circle fighter. Which other jet is the best "pure" two-circle opponent? 2. Is there an equivalent jet for the one-circle (giving you the same feeling as the F-16 but one-circle)?

[@c.ladimore1237]

was literally typing this question when i saw the pinned comment, cause i were confuzzeled ;-)

[@PhilTParker]

GS, Perhaps you get this one a lot…but is the F22 the best dogfighter period, end of story, if the pilot is the most skilled? Rephrased, which plane is the very best of all? I’m thinking F22.

[@Jr-uh2so]

man, the iq in this duel is on full display. It's such a great tactical tutorial! The instruction along with the technical skill makes these videos so advantageous to anyone picking up or expanding on their DCS time.

[@Hypernefelos]

Nice! Btw, that's _Perseus_ squadron, not Pegasus. Fittingly enough, it's one of two squadrons in the HAF that fly the block 50. The rest fly either block 52/72 or block 30.

[@ComradeAndrej]

Greetings from Belgrade Greek brother! :) Was on Crete 2 years ago and saw F-16's flying wild. One took off right as we were getting off our flight... it was magnificent. Hoping to see some Raffale's next time I come, though as far as I know they're stationed near Athens...

[@ToddEStewart]

The Rafale is such a beautiful plane, very French.

[@jassimaltoki3580]

Love the Rafale videos. Keep em coming!!

[@MathsPlans]

We want RAFALE official module !!!

[@Mike_Romeo]

We have Rafale at home (Eurofighter)

[@mcdonnelldouglasf-4ephanto607]

@@Mike_Romeo More like We have Eurofighter at home (Rafale)

[@ayugoslav5554]

@@Mike_Romeo Rafale obliterates Eurofighter

[@ZeAldhyr]

@@ayugoslav5554 You missed the joke.

[@seanmurphy7011]

The Rafale has to be the most under-rated fighter out there.

[@navyseal1689]

F16 is underrated too

[@sharequsman596]

@@navyseal1689 no

[@fordforever6814]

Because it's French. If it was American it would be a best seller.

[@musaratjahan7954]

I mean. It also got our-rated so...

[@beatboxbuggi6884]

Eurofighter, Gripen and Rafale all seem to not get the respect they deserve. It’s crazy that people are thinking of replacing Typhoons with the F-35 pretty much just because of stealth and electronics

[@vdeuuu_7608]

It would be great if you actually fly the Rafale

[@brianbriones5309]

I second this

[@davidmariet5567]

I would love that as well.

[@jordanaria2035]

He never fly the Rafale all this time. I wonder why

[@navyseal1689]

@@jordanaria2035 He never fly russian planes too, pro american i guess

[@misterroongaboonga6738]

​@@navyseal1689 He flew Su 27, 35 and 57. He flew Mig 29 but that wasn’t exactly a dogfight video

[@tsukemono1]

LOVE the commentary during the fight. Really learn something that would otherwise go unnoticed without it. Another great vid.

[@itsumonihon]

Good video. Was very surprised you allowed the Rafale to get such a good position on you in fight #1 - that two circle positioning should have been a strong queue for you to change altitude immediately, that was probably the only thing that could have saved you from being hit.

[@Miguelcooldude777]

Day 107 asking for F35C vs F/A-18F

[@Mike_Romeo]

There are no good f35 and f18f mods

[@shannon1267]

Day 17000 asking for 2v2

[@Miguelcooldude777]

@@Mike_Romeo he did a vid with the F35C in the past an recently made a video with the F/A-18F in it

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

I might be working on something LIKE this but it might take some time running into some technical issues at the present time.

[@Miguelcooldude777]

@@GrowlingSidewinder take all the time in the world 👍🏻😁

[@randomdude7096]

Nice fights. However, I am not sure how many actual F-16 pilots can sustain turning continuously between 6.5 and 9.4 Gs for 45 to 60 seconds at a time, to outrate the Rafale.

[@samarkand1585]

Aye that looks like the main weakness of DCS and simulators in general to me. They don't punish and simulate the strain of high G quite as much as real life would

[@ralfvanbogaert3451]

@@samarkand1585 Agree, but exactly how would you simulate it more accurately?

[@jonathonspears7736]

@@ralfvanbogaert3451 a fatigue system. The more and longer you pull high G's the quicker you black out. Basically a stamina bar.

[@kgboftheussr3856]

GS, as long as I remember you have made many videos with many great aircraft but barely few if any flying the Rafale. So please show the Rafale some love and drop some videos with you in the Rafale. Rafale vs F-16 with you on the Rafale would be a great starting point.

[@doncalypso]

@Growling Sidewinder can we have a "Bandit Unknown" where *YOU* fly the Rafale?

[@PDM_naseem]

ahhh the consistent uploads really do make my day.... GODSPEED!

[@donaldcornley9963]

Knowing the limitations and energy management, great tutorial.

[@giannis_dg2520]

YESS FINALLY GREECE🇬🇷🇬🇷

[@gregkar2736]

he has done many videos using Greek liveries.

[@Raz.C]

re - 6:26 "I personally think it's easier to force a 2-circle fight than a 1-circle fight." Dude, I asked that question so many times when I first started watching these videos and no one here ever answered which was easier to force. I feel so much better now...

[@zanaduz2018]

It's easier to force 2-circle... in a guns-only environment. With Fox-2's, 1-circle to jam the WEZ is far more prevalent.

[@falcon1204]

As zanaduz points out, a fox 2 fight its a different animal There it's easier/more advantageous to be a good 1 circle fighter as it will allow you to quickly cash all your energy for a quicker fox 2 shot (in the Hobs era at least ).

[@tbenstead]

We see a lot of awesome videos of you in the F-16 against strong 1 circle bandits demonstrating how to force the 2 circle and then use the strengths of that jet to dominate the fight. I would love to see you do something similar for the F/A-18 or SU-27 on how to force the 1 circle to counter the strengths or the F-16 and other strong 2 circle jets. Obviously one way is to just bring Fox-2s so they have to stay 1 circle to jam the WEZ but it would be interesting to see how it can be done with guns only as well. Alternatively would be interesting to see how the F-16 does in more Fox-2 merges. I'm sure the high off bore helmet sight gives it an advantage there too but maybe hurt by the fact that it has to jam the WEZ and can't ditch into the 2circle as easily?

[@raphaellosada9694]

Can’t believe it’s been two years since you versed ATE let’s see him in Rafale vs you in a raptor guns only.

[@doncalypso]

"Allons enfants de la patrie le jour de gloire est arrivé!!!" ---- French National Anthem ---

[@sgt.grinch3299]

Can we get a WW1 blimp vs blimp pistol fight? That would be fantastic.

[@stinkyfungus]

With differential thrust of course 🤣

[@EdMcStinko]

Great idea

[@Airknightangel]

Love to see the viper still being strong, man! Designed to be the best dogfighter indeed. Also what a beautiful aircraft, I mean look at these curves!

[@sledge2105]

The F-16 Viper truly is a beautiful plane. I'm glad I got to see a demonstration of it's power at an airshow.

[@Chio_OB]

Growling Sidewinder I wish you here back in IL2 early days to teach me one and two circle fights, I had 2 squad mates who where both fantastic natural dogfighters (with insane kill death ratios) who intimately understood turning fights in their bones, neither had a great way to describe it. You do, a masterclass in technique and communication to us mortals

[@JohnDoe_Poland]

Just watched one of your videos that wasn’t watched yet. And it’s about modern equipment and right after started complaining to myself. What a shame there isn’t more videos on his Chanel. Bang now there is :D

[@giannis_dg2520]

Also Greece has f16 and rafales

[@pawer16]

It would be lovely if you were flying the rafale. Im sure there s a lot to do with this plane in dogfight

[@nbs-spike5822]

Growing up, I never liked the F-16. I was always an F-14/15 fan (hundreds of models). I am becoming a fan of the F-16 because of you. I just never understood it. Now I get it.

[@MaidikIslarj]

That lawn dart is still a beauty 50 years later. Awesome watching that little thing wipe the floor with all the big boys

[@mtlflif9449]

As a greek,I aprove!

[@Plymouth-Interlocking]

Nice, I love watching the F16 do what it does best. I wonder if when it was designed the older aim-9's still required you to maneuver to your opponents six to get the best shot. As you have demonstrated its not the same with the HOB fox 2's . Anyway great videos as always

[@Akm72]

You're correct, when it was designed rear-aspect AIM-9s were still standard though by the time it entered service the all-aspect versions were taking over.

[@happyhaunter_5546]

Do you think you'll do more mission and cinematic type stuff again? I love all your vids but I found you from the F-18 carrier missions and loved that stuff! I imagine it's a lot of work to make stuff like that, I just miss the carrier takeoffs and landings with the mission brief and stuff!

[@nico_b.999]

YES! finally some Rafale action, this makes me even prouder of my country 😍

[@hermanlopez2945]

Love the explanation and of course the fatality view.

[@jonathanlorenz8848]

I have a video request. My uncles flew an F-4 and a F-111. Unfortunately they both died in separate training accidents before I was born. Major Bob Rudiger's F-111 crashed on the Isle of Sky; years before his brother Jack's F-4 crashed in Spain. I was wondering if you could do some kind of a joint strike mission with an F-4 and an F-111 so I could see how these jets would be utilized?

[@oleksii.malovanyi]

Would interesting to see fox-2 rounds and see how these fights change with the same fighters

[@salutarydreams520]

Just wondering. Aren't 2 circle fighters at a disadvantage in the modern era since everyone has HOBS Fox-2s?

[@asher4845]

true dat

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

ya but they have options with the counter hobs stuff, they're not fully out of the fight, but ya probably at a disadvantage in today's environment.

[@GORANJOVIC631]

Would love to see you flying the Rafale !

[@ahuman2954]

That fatality sound man 😅😂😂😂

[@Sikorinko]

Dassault Rafale Vs Euro Fighter

[@cz75fanatic]

Any chance of getting the Rafael pilot back on to dogfight now that you've had even more experience?

[@zincfinger3817]

This was great. And interesting. I read a series of SI FI books called "Fear the Sky" Really good. Nothing actually to do with flying but at one point 2 humanoid aliens got into a dog fight with one another. One in an F16 and one in the Rafale. The writer favored the Rafale.

[@foxco2378]

I remember at Eglin AFB when I was a kid, the New f16s in late 70s flying! Yes Im older lol

[@ethantheceoofsigmaenergy7140]

Great video, I dont know what you are doing but I keep getting sucked into your videos! One minute I’m just checking out a module and the next I’m going through all your videos haha, keep up the good work you are awesome

[@akisakis665]

Hellenic air force has also the rafale, right now has 6 aircrafts and awaits for another 18.

[@steve390gold]

Omg the Mortal Kombat reference was AWESOME!!!!!

[@nomjodascnelnombre]

Nice video! But I really love those fx2 fights

[@Pincer88]

I can't help wondering what the Rafale pilot could have done differently. The viper seemed to be more than capable to deny a two circle engagement, so flying to its (the Rafale's) strengths seemed out of the question. What's the left? Take it vertical every time, using its thrust-weight ratio I think it has over the Viper?

[@effsixteenblock50]

This is awesome! One question though - why are you dumping flares in a guns only fight?

[@__-fm5qv]

I think it's just done as good practice and out of habit. Nothing worse that getting into a FOX-2 fight and forgetting to or improperly flaring because you're out of practice.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Answered in the pinned comment

[@effsixteenblock50]

@@GrowlingSidewinder I'm looking for a pinned comment. Why don't I see it? I've sorted by both "newest" and "top" and still don't see it.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

@@effsixteenblock50 well thats strange, youtube seems to have unpinned it on me, my apologies you should be able to see it now.

[@effsixteenblock50]

@@GrowlingSidewinder I do! Makes sense! Thanks!

[@nickkretchmer5245]

Great stuff. Watching these vids make me want to get a computer and DCS.

[@sorryociffer]

F16 is like taking on a professional knife fighter in a phone booth..

[@michaeld1170]

I noticed G effects are turned off. Question is, can you pull that many Gs and stay concious of will you eventually pass out?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Ya I mean F16 pilots train to maintain 9g for a minimum of 30 seconds and many of them can do a lot more than that.

[@connie.shearer5210]

So awesome, the way you can "read" your opposing aircraft!

[@LighthouseProductions1]

I have a suggestion you might find downright fun to do, I suggest you Dogfight the Polikarpov I-16 vs the Chengdu J-10, and Su-57 vs the J-20

[@patrickdavis8271]

Excellent video GS! Love the "fatality" when you kill the pilot. 😉😀

[@TJP443.]

Man is always learning dcs, in previous vids got killed for not jinking even though you thought it was short. Here you jink every time.

[@DaveSParty]

I think I'd pay to see you fly in an actual f-16 military simulator. You put on a clinic today.

[@gabrielguerrero2099]

Love your videos, I would love to see more anti two circle tactics since stiff arming someone into the two circle regime seems to be so prevalent.

[@jimmcneal5292]

I'm interested if fighters with high thrust/weight ratio(EF-2000, F-22, Su-57, J-20) can use high yo-yo to "win" two circle with F-16(if I remember normally at least first two struggled to)

[@GunganWorks]

I love these comparison videos. You have really found your place in the DCS KZbin sphere. I just hope one of these days you’ll call an ejection riding the Yeet Seat for a video.

[@W1ckedRcL]

Excellent fight. Great showcase for the Viper.

[@davidmariet5567]

@growling you don't play the rafale very often (or maybe never played?) can you defeat a Viper with a Rafale in the dogfight, gun only? A Gripen and a Typhon as well with a Rafale?

[@cjcolehour2778]

I would really like to see this matchup again but this time it's a hobs fight, I think the Rafale would do a lot better in that situation (and was probably more designed for that than gun dogfights like the f-16 was)

[@o0KillerWolf0o]

What is a hobs fight?

[@No-xv1fp]

@@o0KillerWolf0o I think its high off boresight

[@hugobourgeais5743]

i'm curious if it was ATE's in the rafale, how the fight would end it would be interesting to see that in another video

[@maxdevlin4349]

Man I thought you were going to plow that farmers field for him a couple of times lol.

[@miguelruiz8183]

GS turned that M61 Vulcan into a sniper riffle

[@Proximax9]

This stuff is so cool. I would love it if you could at some point show some basic transition moves on how to try and force a one circle. I know you have done it multiple times but I still cant quite grasp the concept :D

[@ltstaffel5323]

He forced 2 circle by always following the opponent's tail, and you go for 1 circle by doing the opposite: pulling across and into them. You try to make it nose-to-nose instead of nose-to-tail.

[@Proximax9]

@@ltstaffel5323 yeah, but if I reverse i to his nose he will gun me down 🤣

[@billm3210]

I wonder if the Hellenic airforce did this simulation since they have both aircraft and now even F16V block70

[@marioshadjikyriacou3381]

Undoubtedly!!

[@clairecelestin8437]

Round 3 is a perfect example of how a barrel roll is an offensive, not a defensive maneuver. I don't care what Peppy Hare says. The loop lengthens your path so you can maintain energy without overshooting.

[@EdMcStinko]

Nice shooting GS. Both pilots were excellent.

[@romaaeterna1378]

I’d love to have a "special" round at the end in wich the underdog/looser has to use a wanky strategy/advantage to win. Or the superior could get a disadvantage.

[@xriskava2151]

A Greek F16! Being a Greek myself and considering that the F16 is my all-time favorite, I think something moved in my pants reading the video title!

[@truthseeker9454]

Your pet hamster? 🐹 😄

[@MAXIMUSLOK]

Perseus squadron will provided with f35a block 4 As for the rest 40 f35a 40 rafales f4 in the end 83 viper's block 72 38 viper's block 70 Already The first haf f35 it's under construction 24 rafales f3r it's under delivery And viper's are already upgraded by the haf's stockpile

[@thatbeetus1912]

Christ I remember the first appearance of the Rafale, and it was a beast.... but god damn the F-16 is a monster.

[@timsullivan4566]

"...Like a python tightening around him... I LOVE that, man!" lol ;-)

[@Gcatt1]

How did all those shots miss-lol?! And he seemed to know it even though the first volley was right below, then right above, then right below...they weren't short.

[@radiozelaza]

I recommend the 1994 novel by Larry Bond, "Cauldron", with a lot of dogfights between French Rafales and Polish F-15, of all things ;)

[@NavyCuda]

The fatality clip was perfect!

[@ElijahK4892]

Do you have a video explaining and showing all of the different terminology?

[@wedgie502]

I love your videos!! I've learned so much on how to fly the Viper from watching you. awesome work and also great sportsmanship! Keep it up, brother!!

[@rmp5s]

F-16 is the best! Was watching the Firebirds on the airshow stream yesterday...so cool!!

[@clementnoel3906]

F-16 isn't best plane, Rafale is most polyvalente and best maneuverable than F-16

[@rmp5s]

@@clementnoel3906 lol

[@adelaidesngan604]

🤣🤣😂😂 Rafale best

[@husseinjuma5997]

Rafale vs Euro-Fighter

[@galacticalliance4801]

that was definitely some disrespect on your part when you shot him right out of the seat, amazing kill.

[@captiandarwin]

You were supposed to say, that is going to hurt in the morning.

[@askforgreg1216]

"...could be a prrrooblem..." *CHAFF, FLARES, CHAFF, FLARES* lmao comedy in unexepected places.

[@codychild2665]

That was a clinic, GS. 👊💪

[@dreaminknight]

GS reaches BFM god level: Only pilot kills with the gun are satisfying..

[@schonka2]

Eurofighter, Rafale, Gripen... I just love these planes

[@dreaminknight]

and all (+ the Super Hornet) lost by far against in the F35A in the recent evaluation of the Swiss Air Force (despite the Swiss polticians want to buy European)...

[@schonka2]

@@dreaminknight Well, the F35 is an american plane, I think as a european nation its logistically easier and politically safer to buy a European Fighter jet.

[@timmer919]

GS pulling 9G+ a lot to pull the win in the last round. That would be rough real world. Smoothest kill was GS managing viper @ cornering speed (~ 390 to 420) & pulling ~ 8G -- nose whips around.

[@EGLately]

these are just mods tho right? like these aren't official aircraft stats. So it's hard to determine how accurate these battles are

[@shere_kan8329]

it would be Very Nice to see some BVR fights with the rafale !

[@andrewrogers3067]

How come you did Greece vs France? Wouldn’t it make more sense for Greece Rafale vs Turkey F16?

[@_RocKhan_]

In dogfight scenario F16 generally wins, Greeks bought Rafale for BVR, rest in peace if you are thinking of dogfighting with Rafale against F16.

[@n0kodoko143]

awesome as always. Would love to see some 1 circle

[@vaclavnovacek1035]

Shouldnt he have an advantage in vertical beeing a two engine aircraft? Doesnt he have a thrust to weight ratio advantage?

[@Yonada]

Gorgeous plane, the Rafale.

[@colestreitcs]

Love the French Rafale!

[@rotj4587]

Is there another aircraft that can neutralise the rate fight against the F16?

[@Mike_Romeo]

F-22

[@kyleable459]

This video is brought to you for a j20 video?

[@MCItreble2023]

Hi GS, is there a J20 in DCS yet? If so, can you please dogfight and BVR fight it with the Raptor and Felon please? Your videos are fantastic btw

[@JessidGallardo]

You should do the US vs Russia thing again but with the rule that you can't choose the same jet twice so it's more interesting. Do like 5 or 6 rounds so you can have different engagements. Also make it bandit unknown so you have to choose your jet carefully.