Fridgestuck: Karkat Vantas (Facts/Theories)

[@uilsoum875]

Gamzee was fridgestuck for a long time

[@luneth770]

Wait, isn't he still stuck in that fridge? I think it was Roxy who used the fridge as a weapon against the Condesce, and it x-rays the fridge to show Gamzee getting knocked around.

[@halpimgay8481]

@@luneth770 i come from the future and now gamz was released from the fridge

[@lullafool5106]

HONK >:o) please kill me

[@lullafool5106]

HONK >:o) please kill me

[@mojonoahgamer5647]

Luneth it’s Arquiussprite

[@minimarionette]

Karkat is always angry bc it's the last emotion signless/sufferer felt? I think

[@Devastars]

Yep!

[@eddietaylor7931]

Another thing to be added on to the lime blood theory, when he consoles gamzee, the shooshes are lime green.

[@michaelkrider6890]

SkeeZeNerd {Sky Tay} the extended zodiac has confirmed the lime blood thing. Just look at all the zodiacs colours under cancer

[@heckeroni6699]

Michael Krider It's not confirmed, it's just there because candy red has only one sign, so he would go with the other mutants.

[@traumatizedDumpster]

@@heckeroni6699 andrew hussie confirmed it

[@heckeroni6699]

@@traumatizedDumpster When and where lmao?

[@aroaceaspie]

@@heckeroni6699 go look at the extended zodiac, its confirmed there.

[@neptunegoddess3048]

"Nepeta better watch out, Karkat's coming through." My new favorite quote

[@pearlytheegg3838]

I have the most amazing theory: Karkat is an automobile. If you take the first three letters of his first and last name you get Kar Van. CAR VAN. Wake up, Alternia.

[@centaursapocalypse7259]

He is often mad. People are 'driving' him up the wall. Oh my. You're right. Why did I not see this before??????

[@kimbatai]

You’re referring to Morgana from Persona 5, aren’t ya?

[@mandapanda9292]

Nah he is a car rat

[@crustycrustacean5267]

@@centaursapocalypse7259 road rage?

[@notapersonyeet2725]

A

[@tabbender1232]

Karkat being a lime blood is further hinted at in the true zodiac test Hussie just made

[@friizouy]

"Karkat never had a red or black relationship outright stated..." *stares at Homestuck^2*

[@azararhigli5030]

I've always had this theory that Karkat (and Kankri) didn't have wings because "they're more human than trolls" (red blood, nubby horns, quadrant transcending relationships, 'peace is better than killing'), as I think Vriska mentioned once in a pesterlog with John - but your theory is good too, the color of his wings could ruin his secret. Great video btw, I'm looking forward to more ^^

[@mistergracey1873]

I was reading homestuck and my friend looks over my shoulder and goes "That guy has a sickle. That guy has a hammer. CYKA BLYAT" I couldn't stop laughing

[@chromaphasia453]

oh shoot karkat literally met lord english before the fight. *meanwhile in outer space, LE's snake dad dies

[@feliarine]

great video! just wanted to add that another trait in astrology that Cancers usually have is a tendency to put up a front in order to hide their softer and weaker sides, which is why they are known for being crabby! I thought this fit Karkat really well as he does a really good job at pretending like he doesn't care. (It also ties in to his god tier if you believe the theory that Knights tend to be characters that hide their true selves and emotions by pretty much pretending to be exactly what they aren't)

[@jcs6387]

Next you should do... CASEY THE SALAMANDER!

[@smileyarc]

you mean Viceroy Bubbles Von Salamancer

[@shadowmonster348]

karkats blood mutation , is because of his aspects every blood player has a blood mutation . and the lime bloods "power" is somewhat seen through the vantas line and it's the ability to make friends like humans could , it's hinted at this when ghoat vriska talks to an off shot timeline of John wher she says that karkat would've made a great human or something like that .

[@nieodgadniesztejnazwy1815]

shadowhebi99 um... Not every blood player is an mutant, nobody has ever said that

[@cameron-yo6zp]

@@nieodgadniesztejnazwy1815 It's more like there's no evidence to support this because Karkat, Kankri and the Sufferer are the only "bloods" we officially know of.

[@jcs6387]

"The Dutch word for Cancer is Kanker, which is often shortened to kk" Sollux isn't just Dutch, he's Double Dutch.

[@Lucas-iy1ve]

Um, hey, you forgot one more thing. It's been theorized (and I agree with this) that Karkat actually wasn't suppose to help with the genesis fort breeding, because Knights don't actually have anything to do with frog breeding, unless they have the right aspects, and it's just suppose to be Time and Space, but because Aradia wasn't participating (or as I see, was inverted), he had to be all responsible and help out Kanaya. Because his aspect is Blood, the mutation in the universe they create was a cancer, which is when there's an over-growth of pointless cells in the body, with Blood having the flesh and blood of the body as a symbol. This also connects to how this cancer manifested in the form of Jack Noir and the Red Miles, because the Red Miles is thought to intentionally look like veins, with Jack Noir from the pre-scratch kids' session being sort of like a Blood malfunction.

[@SanguiVantasKnightOfSpace]

Meh, I still say that Knights are meant to be help with the breeding. If I remember right in the Beta Kid session it was said that "the Knight must assist the Hero of Space to create the universe". They didn't say "Knight of Time" and "Witch of Space", just "Knight" and "Hero of Space".

[@Lucas-iy1ve]

Wait, at which point did they say that, though? I mean, seriously, like a link.

[@SanguiVantasKnightOfSpace]

I said I "think". I can't remember when they did. I just remember it for some reason, but can't remember when. Also, I'd like to point out that Karkat (Knight of Blood was chosen by Echidna (Denizen of Space) and is very close to Kanaya (Sylph of Space) to the extent that _he's_ the one that revived her. Meanwhile Aradia barely if ever interacted with Kanaya, Latula (Knight of Mind) and Porrim (Maid of Space) are close friends (if not moirails), I forget if big P had any interactions with Damara (Witch of Time) but let's face it she'd probs have a beef with her, and let's face it there is plenty of shipteasing with Dave (Knight of Time) and Jade (Witch of Space). This means the Knight class is more involved with Space players than Time players.

[@Lucas-iy1ve]

Well, yeah, ok. And once again, I think that he was sort of chosen to take up this responsibility for when the real player meant for this role wouldn't. Because I mean, otherwise, if no one helped them at all, there wouldn't even be a universe. And also, I said that Aradia failed her role as Hero of Time in the game (barely interacting with Kanaya) resulting in messing up and Karkat having to act. Also, part of the big post that I got this theory from mentioned how it's said that Damara entirely ignored her role in the game and wasn't helpful util it came to the scratch. What sort of role could she have ignored besides the scratch? But that's my idea. You know, agree to disagree.

[@SanguiVantasKnightOfSpace]

Lucas Tyrrell You've got a good point there.

[@innegativeion]

An interesting theory regarding lime-bloodedness is rationalizing why they were exterminated. Possibly because they were a threat to the violent society the English crew wanted to create? If violetbloods can psychically assault with disturbing dreams to sew fear, anger, and irrational behavior, perhaps limebloods were their counter- maybe they had a calming effect on troll society. edit: I recently realized on a reread that Karkat's text during his shoosh-papping of Gamzee is green, but Gamzee's is his normal violet color.

[@LaureledEevees]

Well, considering that if the Sufferer was a mutated limeblood and he could remember Beforus... maybe other the limebloods could too? At a lesser extent.

[@centaursapocalypse7259]

Hmm I think it's a little like this but take into account that cancers are meant to be motherly. Now,most kids,when they have a nightmare,call a parent or guardian to try and make them feel better. Huh. Go figure.

[@nieodgadniesztejnazwy1815]

Gekkouga Girl nope, it was lime. Now it is even confirmed that he would be a limeblood in the extended zodiac.

[@CatandFriends1]

the thing is like. hussie himself confirmed davekat was canon.

[@themediator6478]

when i saw the title I thought it was a dumb au but i actually like it can you make more

[@LaureledEevees]

Uh... thank you for checking out the video?

[@fitombstne709]

+LaureledEevees I say the psycho clown should be next that or spider troll

[@PuppetThirteen]

Other evidence of Karkat being a limeblood is in the scene where he pacifies Gamzee. The text for his shooshing was in lime green, rather than red or his signature grey. Also this is super neat and I would love to see a series of these!!

[@AquariumAA69]

Yes and the extended zodiac page proves that he is a lime blood because if you read it,It literally says it yet he is -special-

[@nocanseegreen3845]

the lime green was probably sampled off one of the sbahj comics

[@nocanseegreen3845]

i mean he only became friends with troll spades when SS comforted karkat when he was freaking out about his blood being revealed by revealing that his own blood is the same color for goodness sake

[@xplantera]

Karkat may be a limeblood, People original guessed that he was a lime blood because the blood colors of the trolls advance in predictable increments and on the Trollian page he sat in between Sollux and Nepeta. This has lead to the humorous situation of several liveblogs on their first read wondering why Karkat isn't typing in lime before they even know that Trolls have difrent blood colors to begin with.

[@criticalwarrior2704]

That last part makes a lot of sense. Karkat is a Knight of Blood, and Knights are theorized to be those that exploit their aspect and use it as a weapon, while Blood is generally agreed upon by the fandom to be representative of relationships and connections. Meaning that as a Knight of Blood, Karkat is meant to weaponize his connections, and with the curse, he could pretty much doom anybody around him by just meeting them.

[@swoobatcharge1764]

That's also how he beat Clover in Collide He took away Clovers greatest weapon, his insane luck

[@Echolovania]

1:23 This gives a whole new meaning of "Talking Mad Shit."

[@phyllisli6280]

sometime……… i doubted that hussie will say“i didnt think this much when i write this……”

[@honteei]

"Cancers are known as.. Me> yes?~ moody, Me> WOT- and motherly" Me> ty

[@z1BRRR]

*completely saves this for more facts to know about the best leader troll ever existed named karkat vantas*

[@highground2128]

And now we know Karkat is a lime blood

[@centaursapocalypse7259]

The sufferer was executed by Darkleer. However,he could not kill his disciple. She only got to live because of Darkleer,who disobeyed those higher than him. Karkat Vantas sent Equius Zahhak to his death at the hands of Gamzee Makara,a higher blooded individual. Nepeta Leijon witnessed his demise,and attacked Gamzee,who just so happened to be stronger and killed her.She died,though had her moirail not just being murdered right in front of her eyes,she would probably not have attacked Gamzee and would have survived. In the period of the ancestors,a Vantas died and a Zahhak and Leijon lived. In the period of the Bet trolls,a Vantas lived and a Zahhak and Leijon died.

[@bananacat3109]

time to rewatch the series

[@jessalynsimone]

i love this loud mouthed candy blooded bean idc he been through so much he needs a fucking hug.

[@BambizCornField]

Bruh if Karkat didn’t have that curse, he’d probably be in a doomed timeline. He is stronger than he thinks he is.

[@vreyes5646]

I never expect someone would do this. I would like to see everyone in homestuck with facts and theories please. I would love to see more of this

[@charlieturner1806]

Fun fact about Karkat being a Gemini is linked back to the Signless, on the Signless's leggings, you can spot the Gemini sign

[@rep1600]

Youre Doing Me Next? Wonderful. (I never new my little patron was such a powerful and saint-like person.)

[@theheirofparadoxspace7309]

Kanaya Maryam VIRGOS FOR LIFE HELL YEAH

[@dandy4402]

I never knew Homestuck could have such religious backgrounds! This video taught me a lot, and I want to thank and congratulate you on making such a great theory!

[@notmulder7243]

9:51 kk is the angry and exasperated mom friend

[@dacap279]

Also, note that during "[S] Attempt a rare and highly dangerous 5x showdown combo", when Karkats shooshpapping Gamzee, his words are in lime green while Gamzee's are his normal purple ones.

[@Nodegama]

As a suggestion for a future Fridgestuck: The Archagents of Derse. Their function and effect on the game. This can also expand to a larger discussion about the game as a whole with the chess-pieces in mind.

[@LaureledEevees]

A well thought out proposition. Thank you very much for the suggestion, NfG!

[@Squibbo0000]

I see a sort of parallel between John and Karkat's chumhandle, both of them having a scientific profession as the second part of their chumhandle.

[@idiotrat2698]

TODAY I LEARNT THAT MY BIRTHDAY IS THE SAME AS KARKAT'S??? POG HJDSK

[@fenzamael2872]

never forgetting the day i used to have a crush on karkat of all characters when i first joined the fandom like years ago

[@crazykirby97]

Lord English was already cursed, since Equius and Gamzee were in him. The question remains: was Caliborn able to become LE because he never actually meets Karkat?

[@Kalashimi]

Wait...karkat's birthday is on 12th june 6/12 612 HUSSIE YOU SNEAKY YOUUU

[@homestuckhoovy1135]

4/13 is John's birthday, they do that with the main protagonist of a species.

[@BettyNoireMaSTeRProCraStInaToR]

Karkat is a Gemini

[@chromaphasia453]

'The apostle... JOHN' oh my godddddd

[@arcadia_758]

OH MY GOG THIS WAS GREAT, I have always seen your videos but when I saw this one (karkat being my favorite) I just had to click on it, your really smart, the thing about him kissing kanaya blew my mind

[@S.Kitty...]

Highly enjoyable! Karkat's my fav

[@user-bd7fw2zs5z]

this is so good, i like that you added in some facts or theories that were very rarely discussed!! i really look forward for you to keep making this series, and to keep going at it!! this will probably make the trolls to be viewed more relatable and not necessarily bland as some people seem to describe them as or see them as these characteres were beautifully developed and se references were slipped in which most of the fandom didnt really look into i love that someone made several of these theories and stated facts keep up the good work! (you gained one more hs trash sub)

[@theheirofparadoxspace7309]

TᎬᏒᎬᏃᎥ ᏢᎽᏒᎾᏢᎬ HOW DID YOU DO THAT WITH YOUR NAME

[@learningomorisoundtrack3979]

How do i like a video more than once

[@theweirdsburbian3786]

Krakatoa creating frog channeled his feelings in secret species called cherubs

[@terryh.9238]

i love my precious angry boy

[@Nodegama]

great video. good quality. 12 whole minutes worth of information, neatly condenced to the point. I already knew most of those facts and theories from figuring them out myself and/or reading the homestuck wiki for multiple hours. But I still found it enjoyable to hear them here from you, nicely put together in a convenient format.

[@renatocpribeiro]

Karkat was born in June 12th. In the catholic calendar that is St. Anthony's Day. In Brazil, St. Anthony has a role similar to St. Valentine. Since Karkat's a messianic archetype, he's now a shipping saint.

[@PizzaTimeFanatic]

I hope you continue this series it is very interesting

[@rayvin1779]

IN SHORT, I'M FUCKING AWESOME.

[@TheSonofHephaestus]

It's now canon that Karkat is a mutated lime blood

[@NEverglade]

Who does everyone ship Karkat with? Personally I ship him with Dave :3

[@nieodgadniesztejnazwy1815]

Malevolent Megalomaniac dang, me too! :")

[@nyalakurta5329]

JohnDaveKat for the win!

[@lovelysunshinee6646]

The amount of people I ship w karkat I stg

[@kitkat2677]

I ship Karkat with Dave

[@scott-ry4cj]

terezi, nepeta and dave

[@Plasmathedeathjester]

Vantas is definitely a reference to ventus from kingdom hearts

[@ThomasT1P]

I don’t know what fridgestuck is but I’m going to watch it all!

[@davestrider2766]

I hope you weren't let down, I sure wasn't

[@ThomasT1P]

@@davestrider2766 OH MY GOD I FORGOT ABOUT THIS

[@davestrider2766]

@@ThomasT1P lol

[@thumbsup8985]

Damn, i literally forgot that clover was the luckiest felt. I just thought "ha ha, small victory, he beat up the small one". But no, *NO* . He's like a luck *god* !? Mad props for KK everybody.

[@nocanseegreen3845]

clover getting the leprechaun charms in his eyes and karkat being known for being a master in troll romance led me to believe that clover considered the thrashing to be part of a leprechaun jig/trick ritual, where the irony is that the romance expert doesn't understand the romance he had partaken in mirroring how john doesn't understand karkat's romance when karkat starts being kismesis flirty.

[@garnetnovember9118]

"The Out of Breath" That's not a god tier tho.

[@garnetnovember9118]

Of wait it's a pun I get it now

[@needsleepbutdontwanttoslee2152]

Garnet November No its a fan god tier

[@wilfweNightsky]

yoonie is that "wooosh" a pun Cuz breath Air Whoosh

[@runnerfive4767]

That's just a theory, a game theory.

[@sparrowcore8859]

This was one of the best Homestuck videos I've ever seen! I'm really looking forward to more.

[@nightazday7988]

"What happened to English" past you don't wanna know

[@SqrlGrlDawn]

im so glad people are still making hs content

[@ihavekalashnikovyoudomath9275]

7:32 I reread what Karkat said, and now I can't help but imagine his voice as Vegeta's. Christopher Sabat to be specific

[@gianna5445]

Not Even 3 Minutes In And I'm Already Contemplating My Existence

[@Talia_Foxx]

I was already making jokes about this being my new favorite video because of the 'out of breath' joke but the Game Theory reference sells it

[@cadenpozzy2456]

ah, the memories. youre a truly dedicated content creator!

[@stankorplank7370]

i find it very cool that both rusty bois are the most important trolls both aradia and karkat are quite strong

[@alejandrite9]

You wanna know why I think Karkat has the cancer sign? Because he has mutant blood, and he gave "cancer" to the kids universe. And his trollian handle, carcinoGeneticist, I think carcino is for carcinogen, and Geneticist is for genetics. Basically making cancer. Just think about that one.

[@katnip460]

This is really good it helps new or old reader's find out more about the troll/human this is the first time I've seen you're content and channel but I think you are cool and it must be hard researching all of this but you are doing great!

[@ruth540]

I'm upset with myself that I didn't come across your channel sooner

[@glorialcp8305]

I need more Fridgestuck...

[@EBroxas72]

Welp. I have found a new show to binge while working on my game. Thank you!

[@ethanalbanna4596]

Anyone else gonna point out she referenced fuCKING DAVEKAT

[@PEASGaming64]

This was great, hope you make more!

[@johnsmith-xl1xx]

Love the bit about clover, clever analysis :0)

[@fractaldisarray1518]

oohh, this was a great episode, I hope you make more!! suggestions... perhaps Sollux?? Or the cherubs?? or even the kids, but I don't know if there's theories about the kids! >>

[@nightmist2349]

I really like this video!! You're really funny by the way and your theories really got me thinking! You just earned yourself a brand new subscriber!

[@LaureledEevees]

Welcome aboard!

[@zoosmellpooplord4303]

Hey my fridge is stuck help

[@SoluKissin]

Is your fridge running now? If not I have no advice. If so I also have no advice because none is needed.

[@swoobatcharge1764]

Try and check if any clowns have been locked in your fridge

[@doopliss101AC]

This is a brilliant idea, I'm super excited to see more of this.

[@kitkatmuffin]

Karkat didn’t meet Jane until after Collide Aka after his curse was broken That’s why Dad Crocker survives, and that’s why Dad Crocker is shown winning the fight IMMEDIATELY after Clover is tied up

[@FlayedCrusader]

Oh the IRONY

[@emilsvensson7491]

This. Was. AMAZING

[@outcastalex1168]

Just found this channel and I'm obsessed

[@danielbreiner2452]

im glad this exists

[@CrimCrim]

Another thing to add onto the lime blood theory: The actual color of the Cancer symbol is a lime greenish color.

[@lynnclaywood4043]

Ok, I laughed a bit too hard at "the out of breath". I like the name "Fridgestuck" for this too :p

[@xx_phedora_lvuer_xx2498]

homestuck makes me want to buy a hat that has a shirt on it.

[@MrMortull]

I just want to make a note here. For all the videos, speculation pieces and various tidbits I've seen down the recent years... nobody has ever mentioned the Lime caste before. Honestly I was starting to think it was a speculation entirely native and exclusive to roleplayers (Yes I was one back in the day. Don't hate me). So thanks for that.

[@jamescameron5090]

That... is an unflattering angle.

[@jordananderson248]

Boy, this is either really thought out or a REALLY big handful of irony-

[@hallekonopka3967]

this just changed my life

[@sugarcigarette7585]

I have the same birthday as Karkat

[@Kubasama_]

Cod clammit, you had to call it fridgestuck :'0(

[@LaureledEevees]

*singing like Eliza Hamilton* I'm not sorry.

[@phoenixkh93]

Holy cow the mutant-blooded, knight of Blood has a sickle as a weapon - sickle cell anaemia is a mutation of blood cells. Knights use their aspect actively, he's literally using mutated blood as a weapon. HOW did i not realise that before!

[@spidiccus8561]

A very great and interesting video to the start of a series. I indeed cannot wait to see what else you upload. You had better hurry up and make more, all resistance to Lord dio is USELESS USELESS USELESS USELESS!!!

[@mediummunchkin8891]

10:55 karkat's trollian is in the middle of sollux and nepita's and that is another lime blood thing

[@adenisbored2498]

The lime blood theory is all but made canon by the extended zodiac quiz

[@wildwolf3938]

So the curse turned Karkat into literal cancer, because it spread on to anything he came into contact with. Nice.