SHOCKING RESULTS!!! Canon R5 Mark II vs R3 vs R5 (Rolling Shutter + 10,000 ISO Comparison)

[@PaulDharmaratne]

Hi Jared, use a tennis ball machine. You will get a ball served at a consistent speed and take out any variable you mention.

[@kennethlui2268]

I have taken over 20,000 shots with the R5II. It is an excellent camera for bird photography from my use case. Better AF than R5 and pre-capture is worth the admission price.

[@btecww]

I picked up a R3 on sale for $3800 after being informed my R5M2 pre-order was delayed. I am glad I saved the $500 on the R3 purchase. I shoot 70% photos. I know the R5M3 a great camera. The R3 at $6000 was out of my budget but at $3800 is a great value and it covers my needs.

[@nordic5490]

The R3 does not have pre capture, and is only 24Mpix. An extra $800 for the R5MK2 and you would have had a much better camera.

[@kpopfanphotos]

@@nordic5490 very few people even need precapture. You're only getting the r5mk2 if you need precapture or the video features, and even then you could get clog 2 from shooting raw anyways. The auto focus is the same between the two except for that action priority mode which again is another niche scenario. If you're doing more lowlight shooting the R3 is actually sharper and has more dynamic range and more detail once you get past 6400 iso than the r5 and r5mk2. If you're not cropping your photos you're not going to notice a difference. 24mp is 6k. Most people are viewing content on their phones or maybe 2k monitors right now. If you're a wildlife photographer or something oh yeah for sure the r5mk2 is a better camera even though that's in low light a lot because wildlife photographers (especially bird photographers) crop a lot and need precapture. If you don't really need that then r3 is a better camera still. EDIT: Actually the r3 drives lenses faster. Even Canon themselves says this that in the 400mm f2.8 and 600 f4 the lpe19 battery from the r3 takes advantage of the dual motors in those lenses. Not to mention the considerably better battery life from the r3, as well as it has a faster readout speed than the r5mk2 still. There's still advantages over the r5mk2 from the r3. That's why Canon still puts the r3 above the r5mk2 in their product line.

[@hawaiifreespeechnews]

@@nordic5490 Yes R3 owner here and it's still a superior camera with the battery life and low light and the 4k video looks great straight out of the camera. Yes it came out in 2021 but it has held it's own and it may only be surpassed by the R1 in late November

[@DerPhiL]

If the R3 had a precapture update... I also would do that I think :S

[@rumrill5020]

@@kpopfanphotos I'm no expert on Canon's "Dual Power" AF relating to the LP-E19 battery, but per Canon support it is not yet known if the R5II's new battery (or using one of the battery grips) can drive the 400 or 600mm lenses like the R3. The R5II's "Dual Power" spec has yet to be published.

[@yannisvaroufakis9395]

So I waited for the new cameras to come out and jumped on the temporary price discount on the R3. Got one new from B&H for $3,999, inclusive of taxes and free shipping. Smartest purchase I ever made. For me, low light/noise and dynamic range performance plus much better build quality of a pro body are much more important than higher mp, which I find irrelevant for the reasons you stated. And the AF is great on the R3, not anything that would drive me to go for an otherwise inferior R5II or the larger and less ergonomic R1. The R3 is the most comfortable Canon or any camera I have ever handled. I’m 68 years old. This will be my forever camera.

[@v_stands_for_value124]

It's not that the r5 is worse out together, r3 is top of the like with unibody battery grip

[@martinpettinger]

Totally agree ... 😃

[@_SYDNA_]

Smile.

[@rafalvonbur9946]

how is the overheating? doas it appear? I live in Bermuda so its important for me to know as its hot here

[@drtod]

As a former Canon photographer I am happy to see a comparison like this so I understand how the technology/manufacture is progressing. Jared is correct, the ball (type of pitch) may be radically different impacting the image. I would recommend he use ice hockey as his test. The sticks bending on slap or wrist shot with the puck in the fame is a better/more consistent test. It would also put the ISO performance at the test. And lighting would be consistent.

[@view23015]

10,000 iso is nothing with today’s cameras. 400 iso film showed grain and 1600 , even when processed extremely carefully , looked like you were shooting via a screen door . We are blessed and pixel-peeping is now almost a complete thing of the past . Read speeds are important for fast action - I shot all my jet photos with the mechanical shutter on my R5 & R3 and now my new R5II . Thanks Fro for being real . Pick a brand , pick and system and shoot ! Just enjoy and no need to be stuck on pixel envy

[@natureredux1957]

No need to be stuck on what other people are stuck on.

[@breannesoccer]

100 percent well said. Anything above 800 film it would have been Ilford B&W for low light concert photos.

[@breannesoccer]

200-400 overcast rainy or sports 400.

[@keloduma]

100%!!

[@JojoJoget]

Actually it does, it depends on how much light there is.

[@SteveSSBB]

I was a little unsure about purchasing the R5II, but after an initial break-in period I made the decision to sell my R3 and buy another R5II. For my use, the AF on the R5II has a nice advantage and, most importantly, 45MP>24MP.

[@MattJylha]

Finally, thank you for this video, you're about the closest KZbinr to my work and I've been hoping someone would do a comparison of this. I'm dumping out of Sony and going back to Canon and figuring out if I'm getting R3's or R5m2's has been driving me mad. The majority of my work is low light live events and concerts but this made things a little clearer.

[@troypast3589]

Might want to wait and see the next gen Sony …. Not that Canon is bad but if you have a lot of gear switch can be expensive for marginal gains if any.

[@MattJylha]

@@troypast3589 I don't feel like I need to wait and see because its not really a problem with the tech. The biggest issue I have is the fragile feel of their gear in a working environment. None of their bodies fit the hand naturally, and none of it feels "pro", whatever that means. I always wished I could put Sony guts in a Canon build, but now that Canon has caught up in AF and such I don't see the point in keeping Sony anymore.

[@jaywellington9904]

As usual, nice work Frotato chip.

[@Makta972]

Told you so, the R3 is the best Canon camera right now. Superb high iso, great AF, speed and dynamic range.

[@bbasiaga]

I did just buy an R3 used for a good price. Great camera, and a big savings over R5II and grip. I love it so far.

[@froknowsphoto]

How insane is it to think An r3 used will be 3k or less

[@brokeiboy]

@@froknowsphoto I would rather save for an r5 and take the negligible difference against the r3 and r5mk2, especially if I was only shooting photos

[@bbasiaga]

@froknowsphoto it's a ton of camera for $3k! Pre-shoot is the only feature I wish it had. After watching several videos including some of yours, the ball tracking thing won't be very useful for me for what I shoot. So it seemed like the best option for me as a hobbyist. I can put the $1500 toward another lens at some point.

[@RealThore]

I‘d love for these kind of videos a comparison with LEDs etc. I shoot mostly concert and basically every camera is unuseable with just electronic shutter at speeds you’d need (so like 1/250th and above). A lot of different LEDs flickering at different frequencies so even the flicker compensation doesn’t make a difference

[@simonvail458]

Thanks for the comment; I shoot theatre with the same challenges. Are you tempted move to Sony and the global shutter to cut down the flickering LED problems?

[@dbrooks839]

Thank you! I love the way you don't freak out about a little noise. Sometimes it is just a fact of life especially for indoor sporting events and only photographers would notice anyway.

[@magnus547]

I have been having the time of my life with the R5 Mark II. I record mostly video, and you know what? With the help of the R5 Mark II, I can proudly say, "I Shoot Raw Video" at all times. 4K S-Raw, 8K-Raw that is there when you need a bit more......it's a great camera. The most compressed 4K-S-Raw is only 330mbps. YES. I'm sold. And it looks like an oversampled 4K at that, up to 60fps. I need my own "I shoot Raw" shirt NOW! But for video!!!

[@JaredHoyman]

Can't beat the sRAW on the R5 II. It's amazing!

[@webvamsi555]

@magnus547 Thanks for sharing your experiance, I want it for video too, was paused when I heard in hevc 4k 60 was not sharp!! and afride to see heavy size files of S-RAW, do you mind to share what would be the size of 1mnt 4k 60fps S-RAW video? is that 60x330mbps I should calucate! 🤔

[@77dris]

It was cool to show how the R3 when zoomed in to match the R5II that the images look almost identical in so far as detail is concerned. I did so many comparisons of the R6 II and R5 by outputting the R6 II to 45 MP in Camera Raw and often I couldn't tell the difference in sharpness between the R6 II and R5. If I used superscale on the R6 II files, they actually looked better/more detailed. Saved me so much money getting the R6 II plus I got better AF, and needed much less storage. MP is really overrated at this point. And as Jared has shown , even 4 MP images from crop sensor cams can look amazing on massive prints.

[@Makta972]

This !

[@karlgormley1199]

Great review, practical and realistic 👍 I have the R5 and R3 and I feel the R3 is very underrated and in my experience it is my go to for sport and events and weddings unbelievable battery life and bulletproof AF but the R5 ii is a compelling camera

[@justamanwithanopinion]

I think my R3 is the best camera I've ever used. I would change to the R1 if I could afford to, but I won't be missing much. It's an incredible camera.

[@martinpettinger]

I totally agree !

[@Makta972]

Agreed!

[@Jason_Hermann]

Excellent comparison, and thanks for sharing! I just got the R5 Mark II myself ;)

[@JaredHoyman]

Oh....you are going to love it!

[@drivingnomad6012]

Am waiting for the setup guide!! Have seen a couple from other youtubers but I still am waiting for yours!! Please do it 😂

[@seaotter42]

I love my R5ii... I use it mostly for birding, where I'll frequently set it to auto-ISO. After a few times out with it I set the max of the auto ISO range to 6400 because I just found 12800 to be too noisy. I'm not using denoise in post processing (I just have dpp, not the adobe suite or topaz). My previous body was an R6 mark 1, which I felt comfortable with up to 12800. It's a great camera and I'm not going back, but I definitely have to be more cautious with it in low light than the R6.

[@_SYDNA_]

Good data point to hear about. Thanks for sharing.

[@jayk6194]

Thanks for the review. Sometimes I like rolling shutter because it shows speed.. kinda like why we do panning shot.

[@TheFriendlyReviewer]

Great comparison! Please please please do a similar test when you can with the R1

[@rockutron9000]

The capabilities of modern cameras are nuts. I feel like I'm not even using half the functionality sometimes.

[@_SYDNA_]

I spent about 1-1/2 months learning the R3. I still do drills and intermittent training to sharpen my response to the focus system. I've still not really applied the Custom mode capabilities.

[@GaryMeyer-i2x]

Excellent review as usual! I love the R3

[@heyyou918]

I did my own similar testing with the R6 Mark II and the original R5. I ended up selling my r5s and kept the r6ii. I did upgrade to the R5 mark II, I'm very pleased with the eye controlled auto focus. I had an EOS 3 back in the day and loved it.

[@TimothyGordon]

Thanks for all this work doing the comparison! I’m loving my R3 and am sticking with it for work and will wait to see what else Canon comes out with for my fun/family and travel photos/videos.

[@_SYDNA_]

Really appreciate these comparisons. Color differences: For me the one meaningful advantage Sony has had is a setting that allows more aggressive lifting of shadows. A different channel leaked 100 improvements of the R1 and one was improved auto lighting optimizer. i.e. lifting shadows. I notice R5ii has a curve customization function and probably has these same improvements in the ALO. That would explain the visible difference you're seeing. Note that the brightness is most apparent in shadow areas. (Nice). Looking forward to a more aggressive ALO potential. ISO comparisons: Woah!!! If the R5ii can do this, looking forward to seeing the larger pixel R1. They aren't claiming improvements in this area but there does seem to be something there. Maybe it's the algos. Will go look at the images. Rolling shutter: R1 is advertizing about half the image formation time of the R3. Hence, expecting even less rolling shutter. Wait a minute. Mech. shutter has better ISO perf? No kidding. I wonder about E-first shutter. Jeff Cable shoots E-first. GREAT comparison set. Thank you.

[@jaimeduncan6167]

The autofocus of the new Canon Cameras is such an amazing thing to see.

[@Meth0z]

Dangg.. those baseball shots at 10k ISO look incredible..

[@frankfeng2701]

For stills, R5 is the camera to pick for most people due to the slightly better image quality and less of a need to shoot 12+ fps.

[@silverdoggg]

I shot a low light event with Andy Cohen last night with the R5mkII and the R3 and you're right as I'm going through the edits it's tough to tell the difference.

[@budthecyborg4575]

It's funny to see mechanical shutter benefiting low light performance now, when 10 years ago I noticed a big difference between Live View vs. OVF shooting on my SLR Rebel. Just having Live View enabled heats up the sensor a lot (the only option on mirrorless). It's hard to say why the mechanical shutter would be giving less noise right now though.

[@m11kan]

In the end, no one cares if there is a bit more noise or a bit more rolling shutter. If you want the best results with minimal rolling shutter, go shoot with a mechanical shutter, like we all did for many, many years, even before mirrorless cameras arrived. No problems. It seems that in 2024, we have new problems again... Having said that, go out, shoot, and stop pixel-peeping.

[@Aneliuse]

I care. And i wont stop pixel peeping. I enjoy my images.

[@philfyphil]

Or, if you need more fps and rolling shutter is an issue, then watch this video to get some information and go and buy the camera to get the best results for you, and ignore people who don’t like progress.

[@m11kan]

@@philfyphilI once did a blind test with photos taken using two different cameras (one older and one newer) with the same focal lenght lens. To be honest, I was a bit surprised when most people preferred the photos taken with the older camera, which had less dynamic range. It’s weird how our brains work-we constantly seek improvement in our gear (especially when watching KZbin) without considering that DXO ratings sometimes favor older cameras in certain scenarios. Only autofocus and electronic shutters have improved significantly, while sensors have remained largely the same. Anyway, my point was that if you showed all the pictures Jared showed to someone with no knowledge of cameras, they would likely say they look the same, except perhaps for noticing a very minor rolling shutter effect in one ball.

[@_SYDNA_]

I care. I'm not interested in sitting there sounding like a machine gun. As much as possible, I never want it to be about the photographer. It's always about "them."

[@m11kan]

@@_SYDNA_ if you care about noise then you would not be picking cameras that has stacked sensor :)

[@Hawkster-qb9cr]

The RAW file brightness difference could very well be because the R5II has many more metering zones, resulting in much more accurate exposure in photos compared to the R3 and R5 which have much less metering zones.

[@JayP744]

Jared, please HELP! I have made up my mind that I will either buy the R5 ii or R3. I do mainly wildlife en pet photography(outdoors). Wildlife I do do quite a bit of cropping(only what I feel is necessary 😂). I dont pixel peep but noise do irritate me a bit and love a clean looking image. The precapture en the mp of the R5 ii has me intersted but sounds like R3 is an amazing camera, and them being so close in price makes it really really difficult. Before the R1 you would compare the R3 to the 1dx series and the R5 to the 5d series. Back then, the difference between those were quite big but not its much smaller and makes the decision much more difficult. I have went from making my mind up and then switching the other one probably hourly… i am not in a rush so holding on for maybe a black friday or end of the year sale. But I want my mind made up so when it does go on sale, I can buy it and have my very convincing monologue ready for my mrs…it includes things like I will become wildlife photographer of the year and we will be able to retire in a few years. Please just tell me which one I need to buy😂

[@JSicking]

I keep hearing reading people questioning and complaining about the R5 mkii noise and I feel like I'm taking crazy pills and playing the role of a Canon apologist. I've really enjoyed this camera since I picked it up and the noise I'm getting out of it hasn't bothered me one bit so far. Just as you said, I think people are getting caught up in the details when pixel peeping instead of just looking at the image as a whole.

[@froknowsphoto]

People need to complain. My stuff looks great

[@brey5808]

Watching your videos while navigating my 700d/t5i with my broken kit lens. 😂

[@Agora1981]

Softball after softball for Canon from Fro.

[@froknowsphoto]

What’s that even mean? If you have something to say, why don’t you just say it, instead of leaving a cryptic comment.

[@bjornbeckphoto.111]

Great video! I was at that volleyball game as well taking photos, but couldn't get down on the floor

[@smithbrownjones]

I had to adjust my ears when you went "slightlyy obbloooooooong...!" 😆

[@DennisMoncla]

Like the comparison but why did you leave out the two regular sensor cameras that still beat all three of these. The Sony A1 is 5ms or faster and the Nikon Z9 is 4ms or faster. Neither shows rolling shutter. I took pics of airplane props spinning with the A1 and they are straight as an arrow.

[@michaelpoole8410]

As usual an excellent video thank you Jared. I wonder if the R3 is better at handing/recovering blocked shadows above ISO 10,000, for example at ISO 25,600 and above. I have shot with both in very poor light (just once with the R5 II) but it is too soon for me to decide. Also it will be interesting to compare shooting two people (on or off bikes) coming straight at me, both with eyes open and then one blinks to see if the focus locks on better with the R5 II (it seems a lot better than the R5 in that regard) and which recovers focus faster (the R5 was often a pain - losing focus on a bird on a stick and it was difficult getting back to the bird from the background). I do think that pre-capture will be great, especially for ice hockey shots of the goalie.

[@gulloacastro]

Nice video. Common sense is so important when reviewing these cameras, and it’s like you say: pixel peeping is absurd.

[@michaelokeefe6902]

Great Video!

[@ZachToupin]

Great one for all Canon users! Can you send the link where you compare electronic vs mechanical shutter?

[@annettehurd9391]

Another great video ❤

[@linhjayfetterman]

Thank you. Great info

[@andywe7524]

Thanks Jared, well done!

[@troypast3589]

Can you please compare the Pentax K-1 ii for reference ???

[@smaruzzi]

Thanks. That said, as you correctly stated, Canon is behind Sony. That’s unfortunate being a very loyal Canon customer. Anxious to hear your opinions on the R1, but that camera is probably even more disappointing because it manifests Canon’s technical challenges after so many years for a true flagship product

[@DerPhiL]

mechanical > e-shutter.... just simple. Otherwise you need that speef for just the perfect moment. By know to have less DR and maybe rolling shutter. ( I use currently the R6 I & R7)

[@marcoscasebonne]

Amazing thumbnail, Good job!

[@MartinKusyn]

Hi Jared - please consider adding the comparison under artficial ligthiting (banding issues) - I think that for many photographers it is most common electronic shutter issue

[@froknowsphoto]

You will have banding with All the cameras but the a9 3

[@MartinKusyn]

@@froknowsphoto yeah, of course, but different cameras behave differently and some cameras have tools to deal with banding to some degree (like fine shutter time tuning in sony alpha - and if I'm not wrong R3 should have that too)

[@PatrikSkiffardFoto]

It's gonna be real intresting to see how the new R1 looks if tested the same way!!!!!

[@rumrill5020]

I'd like the R5II's AF in a camera similar to the R3 that does not cost $6K. Not sure where an R3II would fit into the current Canon lineup, though. An R6III with the AF improvements also sounds interesting.

[@froknowsphoto]

There’s no place for an r3 mark 2. That’s the r1 probably regardless of what canon says.

[@rickardflodin4200]

Thanks for the video! I have the R3 and really love that camera but I have been shooting with the original R5 for a longer time and really love that camera to but I miss the precapture and I don’t think the battery in the R5 cameras is as good as the one in the R3, that’s is actually a problem when I travel where I have to carry all the equipment by my self and cant recharge for days. The question is what would I go for the R1 or the R5 II? I shoot wildlife and landscape. I cant see that I will gain much from any of them beside the precapture (and maybe a slightly better AF), but that’s a big thing shooting wildlife.

[@TVYQ]

For Nikon Lover, Z9’s readout is 3.7m/s.

[@mredward3969]

Dont wanna be the 🤓 but m/s is meters per second, milliseconds is ms.

[@RichardFraser-y9t]

​@@mredward3969 Ok Poindexter

[@v_stands_for_value124]

Great but useless if the camera can't focus

[@ericvaughan11]

You had to know a Nikon fan boy would stout the Z9 readout speed. BTW, R1 is 2.7ms LOL. They are all so good now, who cares. That is the point Jared is making.

[@SaberKarmous]

@@mredward3969Fro makes the same mistake. So confusion is understandable

[@mikede2464]

R3 has ~20% faster readout speed than the R5ii with what looks like substantially better rolling shutter performance. Given the R1's readout speed is 50% faster than even the R3, I expect no rolling shutter issues with the R1 at all. time will tell....

[@KNZ5]

The Z9/8 and A1 don't have any rolling shutter issue. The R1 has a faster read out speed, so rolling shutter shouldn't be an issue.

[@kollik2515]

Hello Jared, I just wanted to ask if you will make or just thought about making a review on Sony FE 70-200 mm f/4 Macro G OSS II ? I would really like to see your opinion on that lens 🙂.

[@8solideogloria]

I want to buy one of these for my wife. She does school photos and family photos outdoors. Which one is the best for that? Leaning r5 ii with 85mm. Any insights would be helpful.

[@BW_Maher]

I'm not convinced that A7III style global shutters are the future. No disrespect for it as a technical achievement but the two stage capture architecture leaves a lot of available light on the table. There may be some photographers who get enough benefit from the simultaneous read to give up the light sensitivity but for most of us I don't think it'll be worth the trade off. Sequential read is so fast with the new stacked sensors that I don't personally see the need for it unless there are other benefits that haven't yet been demonstrated.

[@vinzsfar9308]

Thanks fir your video you are the best :)

[@nickolasstark]

Good vid!

[@alirezazimi]

ok, I do not need the R5ii but yoooou made me to want it ! :))

[@iosuser1174]

R3 is best buy than r5m2… R3 pros 1) high speed read and write 2) better battery (2-3x) 3) back button touch 4) robots build 5) low light R5m2 1)only good 45mp 2) video on quality at 8k

[@BallisticTech]

No Jared you're supposed to expose to a much more bonkers extent so the photos are almost purposely bad and then note the noise and conclude that the R5m2 has worse dynamic range than the R5 and is a waste money!

[@fallogingl]

Can you compare R5ii or R1 (preferably both) to Sony A9iii?

[@hestkjaer]

I skipped my Sony A7IV for cycling pictures(the spokes looks ridicoulus).. Now it´s adapted to night pictures with longer shutterspeeds.. And I use A1s instead(since I also do bird of prey pictures, and owls)..

[@oscarbaezsoria1650]

Well what I take from these examples is that my R5 seems to hold quite well with these 2 newer cameras!!! 🤷‍♀

[@SonnyBCreative]

R5 is one of the best cameras ever

[@JaredRibic]

Love my R3 bodies, but still waiting for the R1 to ship.

[@giovannifabiani5840]

You said if the ball is smaller in the frame because of the distance , il will look more round : best results will be reached with r5 mii using a lower focal length and cropping after !!

[@az2020b]

what about the picking ? ... It observed that the R1 to 10 are under the EOS 7 5 6 etc. That's look as video level picking...

[@thor9722]

Unrealistic you can find that many sports events will allow you to bring your camera and lens in, only Jerry can😂😂😂 Most usage of my R6 is to shoot photos for kids, street, weddings, graduation, wildlife, car, and landscapes. And it handles very well. Your Lightroom or ps skills plus how to structure your picture are much more important than upgrading your gears as long as you already had decent gears.

[@hari_fyi]

A1 ii is right around the corner 😂❤

[@mikede2464]

The difference in ISO between the R5ii and the R3 is going to come in at ISOs higher than 10,000.

[@marcelrothmund2447]

Great, thanks! 👍

[@doniscoming]

I would love to see some comparisons between classics e.g. 5D Mk III and R5 II how far have cameras gone :)

[@CrisURace]

I'd prefer motorsports panning tests rather than balls. :P, but aweseom video as usual.

[@DanielSeaman-mm4bs]

Same here, I’m wondering if for the outdoors the original R5 at a lot lower cost maybe a good choice

[@Derk2k3M1]

Educate me on how that would test rolling shutter better? In my mind, if you are panning enough to keep the vehicle sharp, then rolling shutter will not be a factor. But I could be completely wrong.

[@CrisURace]

@@Derk2k3M1 it will be hugely a factor, all vertical stuff in the frame will be bent

[@ppiercejr]

Just use the mechanical shutter for motorsports and you won’t have any issues. You can’t get 20, 30, or 40 fps when panning to shoot motorsports anyways because your shutter speed will be to slow. If you shoot with fast enough shutter speeds to freeze the cars while panning, then all your shots will be boring. 12 fps mechanical is more than enough, plus if you could get 20+ fps while panning, why would you want 20 of the same shot as that is what panning in motorsports gets. In baseball, 20+ fps can be the difference between the perfect ball on bat shot, or getting two eyes vs one etc, that just doesn’t happen much in motor sports.

[@CrisURace]

@ppiercejr id rather not because my r7 killed the shutter at 130k. I am forced to use it but tbh to have rolling shutter in 2024 is just bad

[@janplexy]

👇 Straight balls crew!

[@jaimeduncan6167]

Very nice comparison on the rolling shutter, but having a hi iso test with so much light that you are shooting above 1/1000 is nonsense and it really says nothing about low light performance. Nonthing.

[@anthonyhershko]

Great video as always!! I wonder, I got the old R5 and I'm always using electronic 1st curtain shutter. Is it OK? (for Aviation, Navy and the moon). Thanks!

[@andrew9654]

I needed this video! I need to upgrade from my 5Dmk4 and stuck on R5 vs R3.. All my paid work requires no rolling shutter and 24mp is enough. Love the pro body of the R3. BUT I do a LOT of bird photography too and 45mp lets me crop so much more. Seems like it will come down to pro body/feeling vs megapixels.. Still undecided 😭

[@shichaosun3298]

seems nikon z8, z9 and sony a1 suit your need.

[@ritammelgunov]

​@@shichaosun3298All these don't have pre capture in raw which is tremendously important function for bird photography.

[@andrew9654]

@@shichaosun3298 I’m too invested in the glass 😢

[@luiscoelho5499]

Hello Polin, I use an R6 and experience banding when shooting with the electronic shutter under LED lighting during shows. An example is linked below: [link] Well, when I put the link the comment gets deleted, maybe you have other way to receive links. I was wondering if you have any tips on how to avoid this. I’ve been using the electronic shutter to prevent wear and tear on the mechanical shutter, as I shoot a few thousand photos during a weekend show. Do the R5 or R3 address this issue? Thank you, and keep up the great work!

[@TewaAya]

If there was a ccd full frame by any of those niche companies, they could grab "color science" enthusiasts to prevent rolling shutter other than shilling out 3 grand for those stacked/global sensors.

[@minusinfinity6974]

I don't shoot Canon anymore, but for shits and giggles why don't you try the same test with the Sony A7RIV/V, A7IV, Nikon Z6II/Z7II and see what slow readout speed really looks like. The ball would look like a sausage. R5 is ~4x faster and I consider it slow. I don't think we'll see global shutter anytime soon in high MP cameras. Also, Canon's R1 has read speed of 2.8ms and the bally would look perfectly circular. Given cost and DR issues, I'd rather see Sony and Nikon match Canon's read speed with next gen cameras with a rolling shutter sensor. I expect Global shutter will really only become a more widespread thing maybe with A1 mk III and Z9 III, R1 II.

[@monkeywizard77]

At this point in the R5's lifecycle, would you say it's safe to assume that there will be no patch to allow pre-shooting?

[@boostedgixxer]

When are you guys going to release the full real world review?

[@froknowsphoto]

stuff takes time, we're not these other guys who walk around and just talk about the camera with limited usage.

[@Matt-Holdren]

@@froknowsphotogreat response! The point of real world is to spend time with it

[@boostedgixxer]

@@Matt-Holdrenyeah I guess 3 months and like 4 or 5 videos milking the popularity of the camera ain’t enough time 🤦‍♂️

[@boostedgixxer]

@@froknowsphoto yeah I guess 3 months and 4 videos milking the popularity of the camera ain’t enough time. Especially considering you release other real world reviews in a much shorter timeframe. 🙄🤦‍♂️

[@wlhanley1981]

Any shots taken w/ the mech shutter for comparison?

[@dlimayasserjosephstephen3548]

If you keep saying that you are not trying to defend, you are defending. If it was a Nikon with the exact results, you would have blown it up with criticism. Just own who you are.

[@derbagger22]

And yet, you watch.

[@yoshimuroi7771]

As a Nikon shooter, I don't think he's defending the Canon. It's one specific aspect of the camera (high ISO and rolling shutter). His main criticism with the Nikon system is the autofocus, which is lagging behind Canon and Sony. If you think he hates Nikon just cos they're Nikon, just listen to his podcast or watch his videos on the Z6III. Where he defends the dynamic range "issues" of the camera.

[@KrzysiekSid]

Should I take a new R5 for 3k USD? I'm having now first R6 and use it mainly for photography. I gave only L glass, few primes like 50 1,2 or 135 1,8. Will I see a difference in quality?

[@ppiercejr]

The R5 is amazing! Leaps and bounds better than the R6. If you crop then it is definitely worth it. If rolling shutter is an issue, shoot mechanical which gives somewhere between 8-12 fps in the real world depending on battery life and settings used. It is so good that I use the R5 to shoot golf in electronic shutter and can count the number of times that a client or regular viewer would notice the effects of rolling shutter on two hands from an entire tournament. For $3k, it is a great deal!

[@truthseeker6804]

nah you wont see difference unless you do wildlife or crops

[@stellarojas9706]

So if the R5 not a good picture of sports photography? I'm just a hobbyist but I want great shots of my grandson this spring season. The R3 is out of my budget at this time..

[@borutgr]

I like the new video look

[@CarletonLidenPhotography]

For those that have the R5M2, what memory cards do you use? I have one shipping to me now, and am deciding between the ProGrade Gold series vs Iridium series. Is the faster minimum write speed of the Iridium worth the extra cost? I shoot primarily photo and know the write speeds are limited by the camera itself, but does the higher minimum write speed of the Iridium matter for video, especially the high resolution/framerate RAW+LOG videos?

[@KoenKooi]

The R5II doesn’t seem to be able to write faster than 600mbyte/s, so there won’t be a big difference between gold and iridium. I’m happily using a 1TB gold, no complaints yet :)

[@Matt-Holdren]

I have the prograde 1tb gold 4.0 and it’s great, I also have a 512 gold 4.0 and the v90 sd cards. I shoot Craw and with pre capture I can get 5 seconds of 30 fps shooting. It also does great at 4k120 and 8k60 raw lite

[@CarlMartRod]

I have 2x R5II, both with 512GB CfExpress and both with 512 V60 sdxc

[@cameratool]

R52 write speed is dissappointing. I measured it as

[@SMor42]

I'm wondering on the brightness differences between the R5II and the R3 if changing the picture style from Adobe Color to Camera Standard in Lightroom has any effect? I've switched my default processing to Camera Standard and it seems much closer to a jpeg out of camera.

[@spinnetti]

Wonder why Canon didn't do Global shutter on these last few releases. Seems pretty obvious.

[@cjm8160]

They’re still trying to figure out how to cripple hammer it 😂

[@pixel_hook]

Non of this applies if you’re using mechanical shutter correct? No warping with mechanical?

[@stepheneckert4006]

Only a global shutter would give you absolutely zero warping w/ a an instant 0.0ms readout but for 99.9% of photography, a mechanical shutter will do just fine at about a 2.5ms readout roughly.

[@stepheneckert4006]

It’s all a tradeoff in the end. To really reap the benefits of this camera, electronic shutter is needed, which will give you pre-shooting, 30fps, blackoutfree EVF, etc. However, for the best image quality in terms of high iso performance and dynamic range, mechanical shutter is best. In the end, you won’t see much of a difference between the two unless you’re really pixel peeping…

[@JerryC25]

Mechanical shutter gang

[@FireImageFM1]

Is that a fact is I'm sticking to my 90D. One day Cannon going to get it right and they going to come out with a mirrorless camera that doesn't do it and on that day I'll purchased it until then I'm playing with my 90D that doesn't have a rolling shutter

[@ppiercejr]

The R5, R6ii, R7, etc all blow your 90D out of the water in every way. All have a mechanical shutter that is better than the 90D and can shoot at 12fps. All have better low light capabilities, and all will easily get you far more in focus images with no extra effort. Every camera has compromises including the much worse dynamic range of the global shutter A9iii, or the fact that it only has 24 MP. With good lenses, every prosumer and up level mirrorless camera with both a mechanical and electronic shutter is better than every DSLR except maybe the 1DX Mark iii, and that includes all other 1DX models. If it has 2 card slots, 20 megapixels, and eye AF, then it’s a better camera.

[@FireImageFM1]

@@ppiercejr no they won't you know why because they battery going to die

[@FireImageFM1]

@@ppiercejr they can't touch my 90D if it's in your hands none of them cameras can touch my 90D whether it's a resolution or they pictures I don't get 11 frames per second I get 37 frames per second I don't think you know what card I'm using I use a very expensive card in my 90d so when you talk about my 90d make sure you talk about my 90 day with some respect cuz none of them cameras is messing with my 90d.

[@ppiercejr]

@@FireImageFM1 🤡 no 90D gets more than 10fps and they all have inferior autofocus to the mirrorless cameras. The 90d uses SD cards which every one of these cameras can use the best SD cards or better CFExpress cards. For the record, the 90d will only shoot about 30 photos before it hits the buffer, definitely not 37 per second. I’ve used 90d’s with the fastest UHS-ii SD cards and it wasn’t even as good as the R6 which is just 20 MP. Even when cropped, the R6 produced sharper images with half the resolution

[@brotherted9212]

You should have compared them to the a7Rv.

[@jakavozlic718]

Where does r6 mk 2 rolling shutter land? Is it only a bit better than original r5 or is it something between r5 and r5 mk 2?