Frozen 2 Was A Mess, Here's Why

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[@moonbunny24]

From the Frozen II artbook: "There was a version of the story where Arendelle Castle was washed away in a flood, and then rebuilt as a combination of the Northuldra and Arendellian styles. -David Womersley, art director, environments. So, YES. We almost got the thematically satisfying version where Arendelle is destroyed.

[@sopranophantomista]

I'm so angry that this didn't happen. It would have been so cool to see them rebuild back better together. It's one of those irks that makes me wanna research the hell out of this and then write my own alternative ending to a story like this.

[@marocat4749]

Such a ast to not to, and it would be a fun setting for a sequel if they want to bring in another force, and that there are conflicts, could be a point :(

[@Zay-e5p]

Disney was probably like wait we are currently building many Frozen lands around the globe this would confuse the consumers if we destroyed Anna and Elsa’s home so scrap that immediately

[@existential_horror5045]

@@sopranophantomista i would read that, please write that

[@benhart2126]

Bruh

[@Felixiroflife28]

There are so many things I wish were different about this film but I think they really missed a great gag pay off by not having Ana propose to Kristoff before he misters the courage. But that would fit her characterisation in the first film, not whatever they did to her for most of this one soooo

[@hootsyoutube]

Damn that’s good. That should have been the resolution to the Frozen short that his entire arc should have been.

[@Felixiroflife28]

@@hootsyoutube I also agree with that, but I think there might have been uproar if Ana and/or Kristoff stayed home and weren’t in the movie much… they both just should have had a better arc/plotline… like maybe something relevant to the ending, Ana realising she is actually interested in ruling Arendelle and that being a source of potential conflict between her and Elsa which is resolved when Elsa abdicates at the end?

[@hootsyoutube]

@@Felixiroflife28 I would have loved to see Kristoff actually get to be active in the story!

[@Felixiroflife28]

@@hootsyoutube my boy deserved better than this! The fact that he’s Samí coded and yet doesn’t bond with this other Samí tribe really at all? Seemed kind of insulting to his character, like he could have been the group’s translator figure but instead he has NOTHING to do?!?

[@Ziggi_onthe_RISE]

I mean, I thought he did get a bonding moment, when he is an outlier in Arendale in his close relationship with and love for reindeer (not the jokey joke sexual way that totally went over my head until Hoots mentioned it in this video), and when they meet the northuldra people who are just as respective and impassioned by the deer as he, he feels a instant connection to them that points to a way he had been cut off from part of his heritage he didn’t get to feel valid in appreciating… I found it heartwarming when I watched that 5 seconds of the movie 😅

[@riccardoleone4265]

Woah, I didn't know that Frozen II had such fucked up references. I was just obsessing over the fact that retconning Anna and Elsa's parents in people already aware of elemental magic made them even worse when they decided to lock up Elsa in her room and tell her to hide her feelings.

[@OliverHeikkinen]

I mean maybe that was supposed to be a band-aid solution since she almost killed anna. They died on a trip to learn more about her power so presumably they wanted elsa to just sit tight until they knew how to help her. But then they died so elsa just stayed in her room

[@lizzieperlizzie]

@@OliverHeikkinen yea and no, as far as I remember, they looked years older when their parents left. They shouldn't have forced her to hide her powers for that long

[@waffleauflauf4213]

That's one of the reasons why I prefer the stage musical over the movie. The parents come across as more supportive, and it shows how torn they were over having to close off their daughters from each other. And leave when their daughters are still young, showing how actively and quickly they were searching bc they intended for Elsa only to hide for the time being until it was safe, not for her entire childhood.

[@chrisz7494]

Another commenter down the chain theorised that maybe the writers could have included themes of historical revisionism and erasure, which is why Iduna doesn't have a Saami name. Maybe Iduna was a fake name, and she knew that Elsa would be ostracised if she displayed Saami elemental powers in public but just didnt know how to explain it to their 6 year old daughter. Of course we didn't get that, because Disney would rather push out a half-baked film than give their creative teams freedom to do something properly. (See Frozen 2 video by Schafrillas for context)

[@garrettcarter5622]

@@OliverHeikkinenRIP BOZOS

[@ZagTheRaccoon]

This movie would have managed to become one of the boldest Disney Movies of all time. If only they let Arendelle fall. They even evacuated everyone in preparation for it! We could have gotten them rebuilding a better society with the indigenous people!

[@sopranophantomista]

It would have been way cooler to see Arendelle fall, and then be rebuilt with the help of the Northuldra. If they're gonna rebuild, then let's rebuild back better together.

[@marocat4749]

Yeah, they even could hav made some castle-ish thing but a hybridin construction native enough , if they love their castle so much And it still would be :(, like realy good mic making ther in style could be done, and mab even a sequel.

[@raphaelmarquez9650]

They'd probably chicken out because of the Arendelle land segments they're buiding in a couple of Disney theme parks and want to reference both movies within the continuity.

[@brynniefresh9746]

Genuinely so upsetting it’s like we see the set up and the amazing story they could have told….but they did the most boring thing for no reason…I wanted to see the fucking town drown! i wanted to see them build a new town like in Encanto 😤

[@AranelEnMirkwood]

That was the original plan! In the art book there is beautiful concept art of the castle and buildings rebuilt in a hybrid style with comments that an early draft did have Ardendale be destroyed. I suspect higher ups made them change it so it wouldn't look different from the new park ride

[@jultejock7185]

I'm not Saami myself, but my friend has Saami heritage. So many Saami were shamed out of using their own language, and my friends grandpa pretended not to be able to speak their Saami language. It wasn't until near his death that he revealed that he was basically fluent. My friend is now studying Saami and attempting to continue the legacy of the language that was stolen from them. There are so few resources though. So much has been lost. It's truly fucking tragic. Anyways, maybe I'm not the right person to judge, but I think your video was great. Keep up the good work!

[@lemokemo5752]

Sami isn't one language, it's a language group.

[@jultejock7185]

@@lemokemo5752 I know. I was just too embarrassed to say that I don’t remember if her family spoke south sami or ume sami.

[@acecat2798]

One of the things I did like (and I generally disliked the movie, though I thought it had good parts) was that Iduna's past as a Northuldra girl hidden in plain sight and forced to assimilate for survival actually shed retroactive light on why she would come to the conclusion that it was safest for Elsa to hide herself. I don't believe for a minute that the original script planned for her to be indigenous (her name is based on a Norse goddess; it's not a Sami name), but if she's going to be retconned it makes a lot of thematic sense and speaks to the anxiety that must have run her life and how she would unintentionally pass it on to her daughter. If they had, as you suggested, had Yelena be the one to make the connection between Iduna and the girls, it might've been an extra revelation if she revealed that Iduna had a traditional Northuldra name and adopted an Arendellian name to pass better. It would really hammer home that the girls didn't know their mom- or the past- the way that they thought they did, and play into the themes of hiding and historical revision.

[@chrisz7494]

Wait that's an incredible alternative. You just made me sad that this didn't actually happen

[@Owesomasaurus]

The alternate land back cut could even have Rider and Kristoff's buddy mission is to rally the people of Arendell and evacuate them before the dam breaks, solving both problems with the script neatly.

[@marocat4749]

Through his connectig with a different sami tribe qould have fit too, in a traditional sami mariage even if thats so important, or him bing seperated an evacuating.

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

Wait... The events were so fast to do that.

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

Out of that... Since the film was out, i always liked the idea of Kristoff being closer with the Northuldra... Not because he get pretty long time with them (since Elsa and Anna go without him and the Rock Giants destroying the Dam) and when he helps Anna... The Northuldras appear and help them too... Like showing they finally are together in this... It could be epic.

[@lautaroroldanpizzorno7494]

They can't leave the forest to get to Arendelle because the mist is still there though.

[@carpiioo.806]

​@@lautaroroldanpizzorno7494 power of freindship! if elsa and anna acted as a bridge (holding hands) maybe they both, in this rendition, they also in many ways function as a bridge between the arrendelians and the northuldra by righting the historical wrongs. hahaha, just bulshitting but still 🤷🏽‍♀

[@nezumired]

I remember when the toys came out, and one was a doll of Anya that played "The Next Right Thing." It's a serviceable song for that place in the film. But having that kind of grief and despair coming from a smiling doll was a bit disturbing.

[@katharineeavan9705]

"grief and despair coming from a smiling doll" - if that isn't a summation of every time Disney makes a decent attempt at tackling real issues

[@lilac3266]

this is the same energy as them making a mirabel singing doll play waiting on a miracle with the CANDLE as an accessory 💀

[@FuzzyKittenBoots]

The trolls to me as a Swede look a lot like the kind of fairytale trolls that are often seen in folk and folk-inspired books with pictures. These were usually drawn during the period of national romanticism (late 19th to early 20th century) and was inspired partly by Sami but *especially* by Romani people. They commonly have large gold ear rings, tanned skinn and dark hair as well as colorful skirts.

[@EL-jq1sq]

How did I, a Swede who grew up on John Bauer, not realise this until now oh my god!

[@lemokemo5752]

Sluta med ditt hittepo

[@sitron7224]

My alarms went off the moment I heard the name Disney had given the Sámi-coded stand-ins: Northhuldra. In the Norwegian version of the film they changed the name to "northern people", because keeping it would probably have caused a national outrage. The Hulder are Nordic fairy tale creatures known in stories for hiding in the woods and mountains, where they survive by stealing and eating children, or tricking humans into marrying them so they can infiltrate their villages and take advantage of the hard-working, civilized people. I find it really strange that the writers kept insisting the "northhuldra" aren't magic to avoid harmful stereotypes, when they chose to name them after the "scary, savage forest creatures" pretending to be human. They could literally just have called them the People of the Sun. Oh, and also nit-picky side note: please don't use the term "tribes" when talking about Sámi people. The Sámi are a people with regional differences in culture and language, but do not have tribes like Native American people have.

[@taydrabrookshire347]

Wow, interesting and pretty messed up

[@Evelyn_Rose1151]

So the differences would be more like how in America someone from Georgia might speak with a different accent and do different things than a Californian, but they’re all American. Is that a decent way of understanding it?

[@sitron7224]

@@Evelyn_Rose1151 Yeah, that's a pretty good comparison! But while both Americans would speak English, there are 10 different Sámi languages. (they're all related, though, so some of them are mutually intelligeble, while others are about as different as French and Spanish)

[@fluff_bunny1885]

i feel like elsa dying was so out of nowhere, i had no feeling that her going to atahollan was dangerous and when she froze i was just kind of like,, bro what. i think they could've foreshadowed that better by having her attempt to access the past earlier in the movie but start to become cold and have like her fingertips freeze/get frostbite. eases the audience into this wildly different tonal shift.

[@chrisrpm8728]

It is foreshadowed, at several points she’s told not to go too far down

[@tagussie]

I know right? They made a whole deal about the cold not bothering in the first one

[@fluff_bunny1885]

@@chrisrpm8728 didn't see this till now, but i meant more in the immediate moments. i felt no creeping sense of alarm, no building sense of danger. my thoughts when i posted this were that i just didn't even know we were coming to a climax. the previous events all felt like a beginning with no middle. that was why i mentioned tonal shift. i couldn't recognize that a big event was coming- i thought this was something good and that elsa would come back to anna and there would just be more to see. the journey did not feel fleshed out. i think thats most everyone's opinion tho lol

[@king-wenskiii58]

it would also parallel with first movie "don't aim for the heart" and keep a consistency in the magic building. Going too far has consequences: a strand of white hair can become a whole head of white hair with the risk of a frozen heart, and risking too close to truth can be your end too. Both ideas are played, and in the first movie it is an actively foreboding risk.

[@outojasatuja]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4LclKKGlNOlq7s This deleted scene confirms that originally Arendelle was meant to be destroyed since Anna says "We will rebuild the castle. New, no secrets, no deceit." This scene also gives Anna the much needed appreciation and closure, her own Show Yourself moment.

[@hasyarachmakautsar2174]

That's missed opportunity because isn't founding a new kingdom is the most girl-bossy thing one could achive?

[@phadenswandemil4345]

I think another KZbinr Jenny Nicholson theorised that Disney didn't want Arendelle destroyed because they had already made an Arendelle-themed attraction. And destroying the castle in the movie would make the theme park attraction obsolete.

[@ditzylilorgans]

That would've been amazing, since I'm sure Elsa has a lot of trauma from how she had to live in the castle.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@phadenswandemil4345 I guess, but they could've also released a short film or something showing they were able to rebuild the castle after Frozen 2.

[@settheshallow8913]

That scene was legitimatley fucking beautiful, and I am mad that it got cut out. I literally started crying.

[@saturnash]

the adult swim interstitial joke caught me so offguard and i laughed out loud 🤣

[@butwithcats265]

💯

[@nicole-ls4jb]

You touched on so many things that bothered me about the movie the first time I saw it (and came crashing back the second time): The "I awoke the spirits of the forest" (Huh? How did you figure *that* out??); the Northuldra people who are there for five minutes and feel like a nod towards "see, we included some indegenous folks this time!" before disappearing; and worst, worst, WORST of all, the realizing that the dam was harmful, and we need to acknowledge that and change how we do things and then ... nah, the spirits decided Arandelle deserved to be saved. Huh??? (Points to realizing the spirits were forcing the kingdom out so they'd be safe when the flood finally came *coff coff* - that totally sailed by me, but makes All Kinds of Sense!

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

Absolutely... To me, The Northuldra are one of the WORST executed character groups i ever watched... Other thing about the Dam... If they don't show us the consequences of the Dam... Then why we should care about the "Retribution" of Arendelle getting destroyed? If you never show us the consequences of the Northuldras, how their lives changed or even if they had rancor against Arendelle... Why we should care?

[@mallk238]

@@andresanguianozuniga6798 in the two seconds it gets shown on screen, it is shown that before the dam was built it was more forest and a really tiny river. After the dam the water level was so high that it was now just all water. It's pretty clear (from a few rewatches) exactly why the dam is bad...which is why it's so confusing to me that they didn't touch on it at any point. A lot of plot reasons for this movie are there but require 2-3 rewatches before you see it; I'm pretty sure that if your movie makes no sense when someone first watches it, then it's already having problems.

[@NomicFin]

As a Finn, I have one small correction: the land of the dead in old Finnish mythology was called Tuonela. Pohjola (literally "Northland" or something along those lines) was the land of the people the protagonists of the Finnish national epic Kalevala fought against, ruled by Louhi the witch. Granted, old Finnish mythology isn't super consistent (it wasn't written down until centuries later and there's a lot of different versions of the same stories with similar elements but also major differences), so there might be some versions where Pohjola is used for the land of the dead, but Tuonela is certainly the more common term.

[@harriyanna]

seriously, i truly do enjoy your content. even thought the movies has flaws that are frustrating you still found ways to praise it when needed.

[@alexdingley9808]

oh my god i'm so glad i'm not the only one that thought arendelle being swept away (only to have the city actually rebuilt on trust) would've made for a stronger ending

[@arturo182]

This video went in a different direction than I expected, but it's a very important topic, so thank you for covering it. Also, love the RtD sticker!

[@arturo182]

Not sure why my Patreon name in the credits has a ' at the beginning, but no big deal ;)

[@sacharyy]

Indigenous justice is overlooked on such a large scale. It’s really nice to see videos like this.

[@juliacheneyillustration3928]

When I first watched this movie, it was on the tiny screen of a portable DVD player. At the time, I was a full-time volunteer missionary for the cult-like Mormon church. Normally, we weren’t allowed to watch movies, but the Pandemic just started and we were stuck in quarantine, and the mission president had mercy on us and allowed us to watch Disney movies to preserve our sanity. My autism was yet undiagnosed and I was struggling with anxiety and depression. I didn’t understand why I was different from the other missionaries and why things were so much harder for me. Frozen II was the first movie I’d seen in over a year. I soaked it all up. The animation was beautiful, even on the tiny screen. The story was an absolute mess, but I really resonated with Elsa’s journey of self-discovery. Even with all its problems, this movie meant a lot to me and is one of my favorites. It was what I needed at the time. I also blame Frozen II Elsa specifically for my Bi awakening lol

[@skippycoulter]

On New Zealand btw if you wanted to you could call it Aotearoa which is the universally accepted te reo Maori name for the islands. It is quite common here to call it Aotearoa New Zealand, which I like for recentring the name used by the tangata whenua the land ought to be held by.

[@willowtree7326]

34:11 disagree with this idea that they should have had native American actors portray the Sami characters if they could not have the Sami voice actors do them. Indigenous cultures are not interchangeable. hiring actors with Sami herratige like you said after that suggestion would be the way to go if the dub actors could not for some reason.

[@bboops23]

I hated Frozen 2. I actually thought that I was going crazy when so many people told me they liked it and I thought it was just bad. You are voicing pretty much every problem that I have.

[@The_Reaper_666]

Will I watch a Disney film? NO. Will I watch an hour long breakdown of a Disney Princess film sequel I didn't know existed until right now?? YES!

[@MainelyMandy]

I really appreciated all the info about the Saami. Thank you for making this!!

[@nightwingphd8580]

The kind of content that makes the subject worth appreciating even if you never want to watch it yourself~

[@embodyingmysticalmac]

Wow! Couldn’t agree more. So well said!

[@carucath97]

I really didn’t like that they decided that Elsa should be “free”. It felt like it undermined the ending of the first film with them being separated and Anna is just put into her sister’s shoes

[@roshanfey]

me too. there's a difference between freedom and abandoning your kingdom. and i don't like how anna is always left to follow after her sister in some way. she's her own person.

[@blinkfilms1]

I adored this movie on a visceral level because it made me feel like a kid again. It had magical horses and singing magical girls and drama and intrigue. The plot was bad, the political commentary was forced and questionable at best, but it healed my inner child on a level I didn't know was possible so I'll always love it for that

[@pixystixwhore]

as a horse girl who’s also a fan of magic girls and musicals: i hold thi movie in a special place in my heart. i always cry because of that scene where elsa tames the nokk. saying that, i didn’t know about the sami influence. makes me sad how often companies fumble that sort of thing.

[@StCrimson667]

I'm so glad someone else feels the way I do about Frozen II! For all its flaws, an attempt was made and it really is a movie that tried to say something important about colonization and what has to be done to make things right. It sucks that the movie was shoddy, it's obvious that the making of the film was not smooth and never really came together. A lot of the footage that they used in the trailers for the movie was actually TEST FOOTAGE because they literally didn't have enough animated to make the trailer, and I think that the topic and the story that they were trying to tell was just too big for two hours. I think that it would have been AMAZING as an animated series a la Tangled Adventures and I do sincerely hope that we get that, a Frozen series about Elsa working to help and protect the Northundra and Anna working to keep the two sides working together. I think that would be absolutely amazing and I think people would adore it too just like they adore Tangles Adventures!

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

Totally agree... All the information Frozen 2 wanted to tell was IMPOSSIBLE to tell in 1h40min... A series would be totally better... And... I want yo believe everything is possible if you find a way... I mean if, we live in a world were things like the Snydercut exists... So once i had a wild dream of someone decanonizing the movie and remaking it as a series now with a Well crafted story and lore. It was a WIIIILD dream...

[@Bahia_A]

Hello from tourist-season Rovaniemi (I'm from central Finland but have been working there for a year). Personally, I think that most small Finnish towns can offer way cozier and more "authentic" Christmas atmosphere than the manufactured tourist-trap that is the Santa Claus village.

[@ursascorner4865]

I remember a discussion I had with my little sister about why this film was missing something. I believe it was the fact there was a missed potential of a story arc for Anna. I suspect that Anna's deleted first song was setting up her being patriotic to her country because that was all she ever has know since being stuck in the castle has as I assume made her knowledgeable about her kingdom. I feel as if her struggling with her newfound identity should've added more into her conflict of deciding what was the right choice.

[@Doraemontostito]

thank you for keeping the lindsay ellis spirit alive and well on youtube youve filled a void in all our lives :)

[@slavkovalsky1671]

yes, that, and semiannual releases by Jenny N. Which are very different, sure, and yet, similar bells get rung...

[@byrnetdown6076]

@@slavkovalsky1671 jenny is the only reason I sleep half the time

[@CanelaAguila]

Lindsay is still alive on nebula too, on addition to these great new finds!

[@mischr13]

@@byrnetdown6076 do you watch her videos to fall asleep too? 😅 I have a playlist titled "sleep" that has a bunch of her videos

[@thehillisalive]

Honestly she's fully bringing the Lindsay vibes, even with the red lip!

[@lemokemo5752]

I like that you said "indigenous of Sapmi" and not Scandinavia etc. Ugric (Samis and Finns) and North Germanic (Scandinavians) tribes entered the Fennoscandinavian peninsula during the same era. Finns and Samis are both Ugrics of the same historic migration.

[@sonye-jin6737]

Yes!!!

[@DrinzenDrawz]

Interesting to hear you talk about the sami people as a Norwegian person. We had a sami lecturer on Monday since it's the day of the sami people. She was actually a protester during the Alta dam incident. It's a nice coincidence getting this video recommended. You did a good job covering the subject :)

[@roslynys]

i remember hearing about the saami after the first frozen movie, but i really appreciate the lengths you went to educate yourself and present the background around saami culture. thank you for your hard work!! as someone who didnt know anything about them, it means a lot to me to know more now

[@lautaroroldanpizzorno7494]

I really appreciate the way you centered your criticisms around the real life implications for the Sami people. I came into this expecting another review all about how the "Fifth Spirit" stuff makes no sense and more about characterization and plot development (which I agree with) but those criticisms have all been made before so this was very refreshing and interesting.

[@robertmkorte]

Thank you, I didn't watch Frozen 2, but now you got me interested in Saami culture and history. ❤

[@lovefromwonderland]

Frozen II really comes across as a movie that was just made because it had to be, not because there was a story to tell. Disney wanted to just shove something into movie theaters to make money. That’s why Frozen II turned out the way it did.

[@ArmchairEgyptology]

The second half of this was really good. Up next: the first half!

[@김민석-r9r5u]

I am so invested in your video and I was so sure after talking about the whole "castle falling" and your theory of Anna's mission actually being accomplished without interruption, you would bring up the artbook (and the portion of the documentary) where it really is shown that THAT was what was going to happen but that it indeed got cut by executives because it interfered with the construction of Arendelle castle in the disney parks. Not only that, but as time goes on and artists are finally able to release concepts and content they created for the movie, we get more and more information regarding the original story and how a lot of it was forced to be cut for one reason or another. There are a lot of leftover bits of information throughout the movie that end up connecting to each and every single deleted song, to every unused concept art. In short, Frozen II was really going to be amazing but executive meddling ended up absolutely wrecking the creative process over, and over again until they were left with 6 months to wrap up a tumultuous production.

[@MannuNilsen]

25:30 Reminds me of that time I was in London in 2013 and almost had a freak-out sesh in the Disney store because of the Frozen soundtrack. Frozen was released in early December in the UK, and that was when I was there. And it was EVERYWHERE, I swear, they didn't celebrate Christmas that year, but opt to celebrate the Frozen premiere instead. I ended up watching it a few weeks later when it released home in Norway, and only then did I realize it was supposed to be based ON Norway...Nothing in the trailers or in the merch gave it away for me, It was all just too commercialized (like the costumes, for example, Elsa's Ice dress is just pure fantasy obviously, but all the others...I didn't realize that the patterns were supposed to be Rose painting/rosemaling, they were too simplified and too Adobe Illustrator-core, and the colors gave me Vapor-wave vibes, instead of Traditional Norwegian folk dress vibes..Like, my sister bought an Anna dress and I still couldn't connect the dots!) So when I walked into the Disney store I didn't expect to see anything that reminded me of Norwegian culture, nevermind my own Sami culture! So when I heard "Vuelie" play over the speakers I was flabbergasted! I was like: WTF? This is the song the church choir sang at my confirmation! I use to have this song on CD! My mom used to sing it! I have it downloaded on my phone!! HAVE I ACCIDENTALLY CONNECTED MY PHONE TO THE SPEAKERS!? AM I BEING TARGETED?!! WHAT IS HAPPENING!! I almost went up to the cashier to ask what the fudge cookie was going on, but then I remembered that I had social anxiety and just ran out and never went back instead...

[@davidburns-em8nb]

came for a frozen 2 review left with an in depth kowledge on modern Sápmi history

[@rooenart1346]

"Well they are all wearing brown because its leather!" As if leather dying wasn't a very...prominent thing in many cultures and clearly even in their fictional once given their mothers scarf was deep red with colored thread....but yeah know....brown.

[@benjaminwaters241]

Frozen 2 is such a frustrating movie and I will never be free of it because my daughter is 4 and is basically growing up on it

[@gagebrown8560]

One thing that should be considered in regards to the blending off those cultures, is that before the addition of Christianity into Scandinavia, norse beliefs and Sami beliefs had many similarities. In the Norse sagas, it references going to the Sami peoples in order to seek the spirits. So a blending of the cultures has good basis in history.

[@ThatDangDad]

This has been chillin' (!) in my Watch Later for five months and I finally watched it today. Wonderful video, I learned a lot. Thanks for doing all that research, it gave me Much To Think About

[@witchivy5905]

I appreciate how you said white passing for the American audience. As I myself am half Puerto Rican but I'm pretty fair skinned ,dark thick coarse hair; yada yada. To most Americans they just think I'm white. The only people who notice are also mix or, ethnic or, people from outside the US who have seen more cultures (which I love) but on the flip side it's terrible how much racist Bs gets told to me as if I'd agree. I quickly put said racist in their place and I'm located in the Midwest for context.

[@chemistryguy]

Our daughter was still in hospice when we all went to see this at the theater. I can't properly explain the emotional gut punch we all felt upon hearing the Next Right Thing. Bleak, yes. But as raw and as real as we knew life could be. I didn't know Disney could be so brutally honest about grief. And then they took it all back. I found, and still find it, unforgivable. It isn't the first time a Disney character has been snatched back from death's door, but this time was different. Instead of giving a glimpse into true loss, real grief, we watched Disney preserve their intellectual property. If you can't tell, I'm still bitter about it. I did really enjoy your take on Frozen 2, especially shedding light on the Saami.

[@atomfellows]

"She'll Andreas on your pipeline." I stan. I stan hard.

[@dindrane1]

This was a great video, hoots. You shared some of my criticisms and gave me more information to think about. Thank you so much for your coverage on important topics.

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

Totally... The more i rewatch it... The more i hate it. It has a SOOOOO convoluted, incoherent story and the lore...MY GOD... It has more holes than a cheeze. And... I hate it. Because it has SO MUCH good ideas and concepts, just its like Disney worldview didn't allow it to embrace it... OH, and the lack of planning. Because somenthing i ALWAYS see is that, no matter what, Its like Frozen 2 was Forced to exist. I hate it for what it is and love it for what IT COULD BE... Its horrible.

[@bisapien123]

I don’t understand why Elsa and Anna have to lose their home in order for it to be thematically satisfying. I think it would send the false message that we need to hurt hegemonic people in order to help the disempowered. I don’t think it’s a zero sum game. We should be making things better for everyone, admittedly with a primary focus on those for whom things are disproportionately bad. I don’t think we have to destroy the houses people currently live in to do that.

[@estelar95]

I feel the same, although having a conclusion with both sides building a new kingdom together would set a better message, because that does show the characters trying to improve things for everyone.

[@roiitzkovich4545]

@@estelar95 That's why the spirits freed Elsa from Ahtohallan and the water horse gave her a ride to Arendelle to stop the wave. The spirits helped the Arendellians, just like how Anna saved the forest. The 2 sides helped each other.

[@estelar95]

@@roiitzkovich4545 Oh yes, but what I meant is having the kingdom be destroyed and THEN rebuilt by the two sides. I feel like it's a much more impactful visual when they are building a whole new home together from scratch.

[@רועיאיצקוביץ]

I disagree with a few aspects you pointed out: 1. There's a reason why Arendelle wasn't destroyed. If the spirits wanted the dam destroyed, they could've done it after the war between the Arendellians and the Northuldrans. They didn't need the mist to cover the forest for over 3 decades. However, they decided to test the Arendellians by giving Iduna's daughter ice powers so she can reveal memories in water and uncover the past, which will reveal the truth to her so she can decide whether or not to make the sacrifice. Sure, she went too deep into Ahtohallan and froze "drowned" and sent the massage to Anna so she made the decision, but I'm pretty sure that the spirits planned it because it's told to us that Elsa AND Anna are the 5th spirit and are bridging between humanity and magic. The purpose of the test was to see whether or not the Arendellians have the maturity to make a sacrifice for the greater good. It's the IDEA of destroying the town that counts for them, not actually destroying it. The spirits spared Arendelle because they saw Anna do a selfless act. She passed the test, hence why they spared Arendelle. That's also why she became the new queen (as Elsa says "The spirits all agreed. Arendelle deserves to stand, with you. You did what was right for everyone"). Essentially, you can't let Arendelle being destroyed without making plot holes with how the spirits reacted to the dam and king Runeard's actions, or making the spirits look like vengeful bastards who are like "you made a dam the hurt our forest so now we'll make you destroy your own town too so we'll be even". 2. To say that nothing changed by the end is just a pure injustice to the movie. Anna was distanced from her sister throughout her entire childhood. It emotionally scarred her. In Frozen 1, she did her best to regain her sister's love, and eventually (after a ton of effort) she did. Anna's life were suddenly perfect essentially, and she wanted to live her life this way forever, because she reached the "happily ever after" status quo a typical Disney princess finds herself at the end of each movie. However, realistically, a happy ending won't last forever. Things are doomed to change. By the end of the movie, she had to accept that she won't live alongside Elsa 24/7 (only seeing her once a week or something). For Anna, it's really tough, since she wanted to make up for the lost time with her during childhood, but the movie taught her that change is inevitable so she must deal with it. Also, now she's a queen and has to deal with great responsibility, which is too a difference from the beginning of the movie. Please answer my arguments if you can, I want to hear your opinion on my takes.

[@marocat4749]

Because castles, even prretty castles are a symbol of imperialist power. So detroying the damn castle would be highly symbolic in general, thats why it ould make sense to destroy it and rebuilt diffferent, better.

[@רועיאיצקוביץ]

@@marocat4749 But, again, if the Arendellians of today disagree with king Runeard's actions than the town is good and doesn't deserve destruction. It's like teaching you a lesson you already know. There's no point in that. Besides, think about the costs of building a town from scratch... It isn't something that happens quickly. Rebuilding Arendelle might take YEARS, with the town's people having to get used to no protection from extreme climates and no helpful technology in the meantime. Seems like an overkill for people who did nothing wrong. Remember the line "a city isn't the place, it's the people"? Destroying Arendelle won't change the people because they are good as is. Just because the city was established by bad people (and we don't know if Runeard even created Arendelle so it's possible that the original king of Arendelle was good), doesn't mean the current generation is the same. And as I already explained, if destroying the dam (and thus also Arendelle) is the solution, why didn't the spirits destroy it back when it was built? It's because they wanted to give the Arendellians a chance to redeem themselves so they waited until Elsa and Anna will come and do the right thing. Because Anna destroyed the dam (despite knowing the consequences), the spirits decided to give the Arendellians a second chance, hence why they spared the town. With Anna at the lead as the new queen, they know Arendelle is in good hands and won't repeat the same wrongs king Runeard made. Allowing the wave to destroy Arendelle would've made the spirits look like A-holes for wanting to "get back" at the Arendellians. They are supposed to be better than that. They shouldn't be like "you hurt our forest so we'll make you destroy your own town". Symbolism is cool, and I DO think teaching kids about losing something for the greater good is important, but not at the cost of ruining your own lore and characters or making it feel unfair.

[@lilac3266]

I mean I think the symbolism of arendelle falling would have worked sm better. Because it’s destroying the old ways of the kingdom and destroying all the deceit and cruelty associated with it. If it showed the whole kingdom beinf rebuilt maybe under annas watch it would be a good showing of her dedication to her people as well as leadership skills which would lead to her coronation scene. Basically the symbolism of old being destroyed and new better foundations works really well to show growth. For example in encanto when the house was destroyed because of all the toxicity that was in the family it symbolized the family themselves falling apart. But as said in the last song they “need a new foundation” and everyone comes to rebuild it and repairs bonds whilst doing so. That would have worked so well for arendelle I feel

[@רועיאיצקוביץ]

@@lilac3266 Encanto is a different story. The family weren't tested by anyone. Alma Abuela was a perfectionist greedy woman who needed to be taught not to abuse her family's gifts too much and let them be themselves. Losing Casita and seeing her family losing their gifts was necessary for her to learn her fault ways. Rebuilding Casita was essentially the Madrigals earning a new Encanto, a new, more understanding Encanto (hopefully Disney will see their company getting crumbled and they'll put more effort into stuff). The house was destroyed for a reason. In Frozen 2, you won't teach the Arendellians a lesson by destroying the town because they are already good people. There isn't anyone like Abuela here. Only king Runeard, but he died 34 years ago during the war (funny how his efforts led to his downfall). Frozen 2 originally had Arendelle destroyed, but the story outline that had this ending originally no longer exists and we merely have glimpses of it within the deleted scenes. Whether or not the previous version of the movie was better is still in the dark. Who knows... maybe that previous version would've been worse actually? However, that ain't the subject matter. The point is that if they cut the original ending it's because they realized it makes no sense in THIS outline. Now you could argue: "OK, but giving up on such a powerful scene is just wrong. The story should've been written with this scene as an end goal. Even if Frozen 2 would have to be fully rewritten again so this scene will make sense, DO IT"! I understand that, but I also don't mind as long as the current movie executes it's massage about change well enough, which I think it does and than some. If there was no other quality parts to cling onto in the movie, than this lack of drama would've hurt a lot more. It would've been too safe and mindless. Instead, we have a movie where Elsa finds herself and understand she doesn't need external validation to become a person, while Anna learns to accept the inevitability of change and maturing, which eventually leads to her stepping into a role of a leader. I know you said that seeing her leading the town's people into building a new Arendelle would've shown her leadership skills and why she fits this role, but even in this movie she showed leadership skills by convincing the soldiers to destroy the dam and being a lot more social than Elsa in Arendelle (and social skills are heavily important for a leader). Kristoff was a bit unnecessary (but we also got Lost in The Woods thanks to his dumb arc so I don't mind), Olaf was funnier (I don't like his humor that much in the first movie), the parents were written to be more interesting than stupid "conceal, don't fear" mantra tools and the overall story structure is a lot more moving and less "let's look for something to do" (there were some parts of meandering around, but only for the 5-10 first minutes in the 2nd act, whereas Frozen 1 had some meandering for 30% of the movie). Although now we have Frozen 3 announced so let's see them ruining these characters and have them return to be together, completely undoing this movie's impacts, which proved they don't need to be next to each other to be together. GREATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT... Am I allowed to say f*ck Disney? Cuz f*ck Disney!

[@lilac3266]

@@רועיאיצקוביץ ik encanto is different but even if not the entirety of arendelle was destroyed I still believe the castle being destroyed would work better. It also would make for a better climax since it would add stakes. Elsas bug ice wave to save essentially a bunch of empty buildings ISNT as pivotal as it’s made out to be. If there was people still in town then it would add stakes and create an emotional bond to arendelle. But everyone is already safe because it was evacuated. It’s not even an act of heroism because nobody is in danger. The reason casita falling works so well is because you see the family try to save it and risking their lives. Mirabel literally was almost crushed to death and the house was established as its own character creating an emotional connection. Arendelle castle does not hold any of that. It’s essentially an imperialist building that elsa associates with feelings trapped and anna associates with isolation. So saving it narratively doesnt do much.

[@Ziggi_onthe_RISE]

This was invaluably eye opening! I had no idea of the indigenous tones because it was fully done as depictive, with no outright reference or true representation. It kinda “ruins” my perspective of the film, but in a good way. In a “I learned something, and it took involving something i was fond of to teach a valuable lesson,” kind of way, so I appreciate you for doing it. Thanks Hoots 🦉 ❤

[@SweSora]

As a forest sami myself, gotta say that the vuelie in the first movie wasn't a joik, it's a vuelie (similar but not the same, vuelie was a more southern and ume sami thing) I'm all for making us more visible, culture should not be exclusive but inclusive! However! I don't like the colonialist undertones both movies give off, in terms of making us seem like "the other" "the different" etc. And my grandmother was slapped on her hands if she spoke sami in school, and only about 20 people today, worldwide, speaks umesami as their first language. We're slowly taking back our cultural heritage but it is taking time. (learning the language, soon getting my kolt and official membership in the Samidiggi) Also...side-note. Huskies, the modern husky actually stems from scandinavia, but generally from the non-sami population.

[@meghanc8887]

I thought I was the only one SOOO confused. I watched the making documentary of frozen made my the people who made it. They said the biggest criticism they got during the showing (before they make final changes and finalize the script), was that the plot /lore was confusing and that it wasn't funny and they wanted more from Olaf (basically the first main 2 things you named that you didn't like when you watched). They also admitted that even years into making it, they weren't sure what the voices were supposed to be telling Elsa and how that all came together. They didn't know if they wanted the river to having meaning, or something else. Idk basically they figured out incredibly late into it what the main point was and how it all weaved together. That may be why it seems like there's so many peices but that it doesn't flow cohesively ... because they made most of it with peices before they even had the very specific main point decided. They only clarified it more when they had a lot of bad feedback. And they had to add in some last minute "jokes" into an already pretty well made production. The frozen 2 documentary is on Disney plus and is pretty interesting and helps give a better picture of why the story turned out that way. However they don't mentioned ANYTHING about native lore or the true background behind the cultural aspects of the peiice !! That was strange they didn't tribute any of that thought process in the official documentary of the peice. Makes me feel like they're avoiding it ..

[@meisferrari]

I’m someone who enjoyed Frozen 2 thoroughly during my first viewing back in 2019; I love that this film tries to do something unique, even if it ultimately falls short of that goal. That being said, I agree that the castle should have been destroyed. Every time I’ve talked about this movie, I’ve followed up my praises for the music with “…but Arendelle should have been destroyed at the end.” Also, thank you for shining light on the indigenous culture being portrayed by this movie; I always found it confusing that Anna and Elsa’s Northuldra ancestry didn’t have any real stake in the film for Anna and Elsa themselves, instead being used as a way to superficially join the Arendellian soldiers with the Northuldra by the end. If the Northuldran characters had stronger connections with Anna and Elsa, or really were given more character development at all, I think this movie could have gone from “something different” to “something extraordinary.”

[@ruliak]

Can I just say I have becomed totally captivated by your and Biz Barclay's content. Your thoughtful videos have been so enriching. Thank you and I am so excited to watch this!!

[@dracorex426]

Why did the Arendellians want the dam anyway? Irrigation? A reservoir? Flood control? The reservoir was full so probably not flood control, and all the way up there it doesn't seem useful for irrigation. Unless they were intending conquest, but then it seems like they should have done that before beginning construction.

[@LucynthiaRitonia]

you never feel that sense of urgency with this film cause you know it is all gonna work out anyway.

[@odin9628]

I completely forgot that Frozen 2 released 4 years ago

[@jlldndjd]

The Sami aren’t any more indigenous than the Norwegians. They migrated west from Finland. Norwegian ancestry is a mix of western hunter gatherers, early European farmers and yamnaya steppe pastoralists, each of which having occupied the area that is now Norway for more than five thousands of years! The Sami are descended from Uralic speakers that didn’t enter Scandinavia until well after the ancestors of the Norse.

[@annalivingtv]

I’m indigenous American and I feel that this is a constant issue for Disney and children’s media-that they always want so badly to incorporate some indigenous culture, but despite all the input they get, they always manage to disservice it. The main reason they usually want to use the cultures in the first place is because of the stereotype of native cultures being “mystical and mysterious” or in some way magical which rubs me the wrong way. Idk the issue is that children’s media is held under a monopoly by Disney so it’s not even possible for a truly indigenous group to make their own representation, we always have to go through white executives

[@mikoevelynn111]

18:53 Water has memory. That is the theme the movie wants to show. We don't know too much about Kristoff's past. And it is established he worked as an ice harvester. ICE! I just thought of this from watching, but why in the world couldn't Kristoff have had an arc with finding out his past? Sure, maybe other plot points and stories might not work as they are in the film, BUT THAT WOULD GIVE Kristoff something better than proposal guy And watching the rest of the video, something like this for Kristoff's role seems like it would improve the arc he has

[@tomatenmagnet]

Never watched frozen 2. Still exited about your take on it.

[@charlottehook7387]

Elsa was supposed to die in frozen 2, but Disney decided that it'd affect their toy sales too much. Naw! I say let it die! Let it die Let it die Let it shrivel up and... Come on! Who's with me? Huh?

[@hypergraphicgirl]

finally, a new hoots video to watch while painting after watching every hoots while painting

[@imaginefun13]

Literally as soon as I heard the line, "Our flag will always fly." I was like, oh so arendelle is going to be destroyed somehow huh

[@birdbeep1s947]

i loved a lot of your comments on the misrepresentation and appropriation of Sámi culture in Frozen and Frozen 2. in my opinion, there isn't really a world in which a Disney movie can be made solely to share the stories of indigenous people, as the fact that it is Disney necessitates that the film make profit. ultimately, positive aspects of indigenous culture will be selected to paste over a western heroic narrative and the "negative" aspects which Disney doesn't trust the common people to understand are thrown out. i just really adored how deeply you described the lived reality of Sámi people, and how the use of their culture negatively effected the people as a whole. i can appreciate that an attempt was made, and i do really love your subjectivity on the film! this video was a very nuanced take of a film that got a lot of vitriolic backlash. thank you for sharing 🧡

[@Algorithmicgeneratedwordsalad]

You know what would have been more interesting if Kristoff was descended of the Lost Village because it's implied that he's an orphan and he's slightly older than both the sisters and he's already coded to be indigenous and they could have played it off that there was a lost tribe of his village and this could have helped him find his people and Elsa decides to go and leave and be the leader of the tribe and then he as an indigenous representative marries the younger sister and becomes a leader of both United ethnic groups

[@MrZauberelefant]

Algorithm, I never prayed to you. But hoots needs your help. Set ye gaze on woman smart, for hoot has a big 'ole heart! Shed ye light on works as this, may the channel dwell in bliss, Been a fan from

[@skippycoulter]

WOULD YOU SAY FROZEN WAS A BIT IF A FIXER UPPER?!

[@hootsyoutube]

boo

[@courtneybermack]

Let It Go is a great song, especially if you're not surrounded by children obsessed with it. It landed in ways that were significant for my mental health at the time. Next Right Thing is not a great song, but the moment, and how Anna found the way to go on, are even more relevant for me. Everything has gone to shit? Focus on taking the next step, and the next. If a step's too hard, just take a breath... And if that doesn't work, you've got other problems. Seriously, though, I never expected to see my most essential coping skill illustrated so perfectly and appropriately in a Disney movie.

[@Dantalliumsolarium]

Princess Anna should be allowed to destroy her castle, make life a democracy and give the land back to indigenous people!!!

[@mint4876]

Theres a lot about this movie to dicuss but the thing that bothers me a lot is how Annas braid on the back of her head doesn't have an end it seemingly just grows from both sides of her head

[@SillyVixen420]

I haven't even seen Frozen II yet and I almost teared up at you recap, maybe I should watch it now.

[@rayn0577]

After seeing the deleted prologue with Anna and Elsa’s parents, I’m definitely disappointed with the version of the movie we got. There are still parts of it that I love (The Next Right Thing, Anna becoming queen) but I can’t help but feel that we missed out on something really special.

[@ayadean3491]

the is such an amazing watch!! A confession, I haven't watched Frozen 2, like ever, even tho Frozen was nearing my list on of favorite animated movies when I was first released.... alas, I still didn't get the urge to go see Frozen 2 when it came out. all of this long ass comment is to say that i really enjoyed this video and ngl now I'm curious about the film sdjdj

[@beestarjay]

This video was really enlightening! I noticed and read a lot about the iffy indigenous representation and colonial themes, but I've never actually heard about the Saami people before or that the imagery was based on an actual indigenous group and not just generally "traditional" and native-looking. I'm definitely more interested in learning about the Saami culture now

[@zoeb3573]

My only real issue with "Elsa and Anna are super white compared to the natives" thing is that their mother's complexion changes from slightly darker when she's a kid to noticeably whiter when she's older, to the point when the trailer calme out and people started to theorize the little kids were the King and Queen as children, people pointed out how the girl couldn't be the Queen because of their differences in skin tones etc. It makes it look like she doesn't have darker skin, she just... Was tan as a kid and then spent a lot of time inside as an adult. I know they had definitely not planned for her to be Sami when they made the first movie and planned her looks, but like you said, the Sami are a diverse group, so her being part of the slightly whiter kind as a kid would have made sense, rather than changing her looks and making Elsa and Anna stand out so badly. (and yes I do understand it's possible for a darker skinned person to have a very white baby with a white partner, but in the movie, it comes out as weird and very clearly not planned)

[@jchowdyovi]

The credits score is genius!

[@djmutt2000]

I forgot this was a Frozen video

[@goblincat]

As a Finn, the lyrics don't imply that he "fucks reindeer", here's a rough translation: "There's something topsy-turvy about him, he's a little queer. All he does is shove ice and like reindeer, he may not be quite "there"." I have not watched the movie, I don't know the original lyrics, but the Finnish version of that part doesn't have any innuendos. It's just offensive in a different way 🙃

[@zachanikwano]

Hi your video is awesome and funny. Best part was the *Sámi portion. Thank you

[@muddlewait8844]

Elsa pushing Anna down that hill made me about as disappointed in a movie as I’ve ever been

[@PDD555]

I like how straight to the point and informative this is, I hadn't seen the movies in this light but it sure has some connotations and bread crumbs I knew made me feel off for some reason but I was never able to point out why

[@omgmo1962]

In addition to the resources and media you provided, a film came out this year called "ellos eatnu - let the river flow", which is about the Alta controversy and Sámi identity

[@maddiemcnugget1076]

I love the Anna love here. She’s so underrated and for the time I really didn’t understand it. She was like JLaw at the time. A quirky girl. And then people started hating her and calling her annoying. Tbh I always thought those people were very “pick me” for liking Elsa more. I can see how some people might think Anna is kind of “pick me”. But it’s clear how they’ve matured here… and I’m similar to you. I didn’t like Frozen 2 at first. I didn’t think Anna deserved to be queen. But looking at it from a different perspective, she’s trying to right a wrong. Of course she’s a strong and ethical leader. Get my girl a crown!

[@peterpanda5069]

this is how I find out “inescapable toddler macarena” is my sleeper agent activation phrase

[@Diptera_Larvae]

27:11 as an adult, there is nothing I love more than a joke about bestiality that I’ll have to explain to my children at some point. It’s funny how I’m able to gaslight my self, I remember when I saw F2 for the first time I remember wishing the flood had washed away the castle, but then I just thought, maybe it’s fine that is didn’t happen, question mark.

[@domhuckle]

Channelling some Lindsey Ellis vibes, and I dig it

[@bubbles581]

I remember watching star wars prequels in the theaters when they were released and in a few parts thought to myself "this scene exists for them to make a video game out of" reminds me of the Disney ride advert in this

[@kovokkovariki]

I had no idea there was a Frozen 2. Thing went over my head.

[@pyrokamileon]

I don't necessarily agree that arendelle Castle should have fallen but I do think there is not enough consequence in marvel / Disney movies. I think there could have been a meeting in the middle, the castle could have been drowned but maybe something could have happened with the underwater castle /kingdom or something could have been rebuilt on the rubble in time.. I think the end of encanto was the same way, there is not enough consequence and everything was just magically repaired and happily ever after.. 🤔

[@thingslaurasays9995]

Ooooh Tina Ngata!! As someone from Aotearoa, I loved that her perspective was included here.

[@OleSandberg]

so... I am new to your channel. The topic is not really "my thing" (I mean, I like it, it's just not the kind of topics that fall in to my primary interests). But then I got half way in when you started talking about The Saami Topic. And ... I got impressed. Both because you clearly did serious research to to this part (the video gets really good and interesting here, and I especially appreciate the connection to the Alto River Dam which puts in in a contemporary/historical context) and because - and this is really unusual - you can PRONOUNCE words. Both the Finish and the Saami pronunciations are pretty good. This is not a small thing. I know American university professors who have been studying French philosophy for decades without ever learning to pronounce any of the names of the French philosophers they study. And here you are doing a youtube-video and literally learning a language to do it (I don't know if you're American, I just assume so but could be wrong, also doesn't matter). That's more dedication than many academics show. So... respect!

[@Patchouliprince]

I learned SO much from this video! Thank you!

[@blistlelo1700]

All indigenous groups are not the same. Making the whole Samí tribe being voiced by only indigenous Americans just because they are considered indigenous would be even more offensive than other fellow Europeans that they are more closely related to than anyone else. Just like any other European, the Samí are genetically western eurasian while some Samí tribes do share some eastern eurasian DNA in their genome that could reach up to 1/4 only. The reason some may have asiatic looks could be because of one asiatic immigration that took place during the bronze or iron age but there was already inhabitants living there since after the recent ice age. That asiatic immigration event brought with the Uralic languages and the haplogroup N to northern Europe just like one separate asiatic immigration brought the Indo-European languages to rest of Europe. While language families and haplogroups could be useful clues to trace only some small parts of a few historical human immigrations, they are not an accurate representation of someone's or a population's genome as a whole and could easily be misleading. Such as a large part of the population in the non-Estonian Baltic countries has the haplogroup N and the genome amongst the Hungarians is pretty identical to their neighbors. People don't seem to know that indigenous people can also be pale-skinned Europeans too such as the Samí, the Sorbs and the Irish travellers. They all look like any other Europeans. Historically there was more pale European indigenous tribes all over Europe that often got replaced by larger kingdoms and empires like the Romans, such as most celtic tribes. Indigenous is a description of the oppressed inhabitants of an area living there far before the larger states occupies it. However people should have the freedom to voice any character regardless of their skin tone or ethnicity so long they are just themselves and not making stereotypical accents. Saying that only for example African-American character can only be voiced by people with recent African heritage and black skin even though it's someone in Uganda is just racist. It implies that all people in other ethnicities or skin tones have a voice that sounds in a specific way rather than nationality, region or caregivers that causes someone to have a specific accent. I know an elderly teacher who's an ethnical Swede with Japanese surname but had been raised and lived almost her entire life in Japan so she spoke Swedish with a Japanese accent.

[@eduardpanen2227]

i feel like we need to be talking about samantha more

[@verguco6051]

the movie is terrible, the script is a mess, for being a kids movie is too complicated and hard to understand, i still dont get whats the plot. so the spirits where angry because a dam was built, what was so wrong with the dam? the glacier have the answer of whatever elsa doubts have and the glacier or the spirits want elsa to come so they force her to go to save the forest but then they tried to kill her and freeze them to death? and that was her destiny? couldnt the spirits told her "destory the dam gg ez"? oh but the worst part is the ending, after so much trouble of reuniting elsa and anna they are separated and elsa leaves her home to live like a savage because...?

[@lautaroroldanpizzorno7494]

Your first point is a good one. If the Northuldra were in agreement with the dam being built (it being a trap to kill their leader aside), why were the spirits angry? Is it because they didn't want the Northuldra leader to be killed? If so, why didn't they do something sooner?

[@verguco6051]

@@lautaroroldanpizzorno7494 is those savages were so close to nature and spirits why they were trapped in the forest? In so many years they couldn't even think the dam was the problem? Why the spirits didn't tell them? Why was elsa even needed? Why elsa have powers anyway?

[@lautaroroldanpizzorno7494]

@@verguco6051 Right, it seems like the spirits are simultaneously treating the natives as the victim and punishing them along with their oppressors? Why does the forest even need a fifth spirit if the Northuldra have always been in harmony with it? If both Anna and Elsa are the fifth spirit why does only one of them have powers? Why does only Elsa need to go to Athohallan to discover they're the fifth spirit? It's all very confusingly-written.