FULL Interview with Dr. Christy Kesslering

There are so many myths about cancer: which specific foods and lifestyle habits increase or decrease risk, how much family history matters...
Is it true that "sugar feeds cancer?" If you eat a keto diet, do you need to worry that red meat or processed meats (like bacon and sausage) are increasing your cancer risk? (Or can keto actually be helpful during treatment?) And what about exercise? You don't need to exercise to lose weight, but what's the impact on cancer?
It's hard to know what to believe and who to trust. Watch this conversation between Dr. Westman and board-certified radiation oncologist Christy Kesslering, MD, as they dispel common cancer myths and talk about the role of metabolic health in cancer risk and treatment outcomes.
#lowcarb #ketodiet #ketogenicdiet #cancer #cancerdiet #preventcancer #healthyketo #healthyliving #diet

[@michaeltherrien6006]

I wish there were a doc in my area that understood keto/carnivore. When I first started my doc thought I was nuts (4+ years now) until she saw the numbers improve. She left and now I'm starting over with another HCP who is a none believer. The new HCP told me "well, that doesn't work for everybody" no, it does not, if "everybody" is getting bad advice from the doc.

[@mpoharper]

I was diagnosed with mucosal melanoma in April 2021. I started keto a few years before diagnosis because of prediabetes. I had Opdivo and Yervoy, surgery, and continued keto plus added metformin to further reduce insulin. I have been cancer free for nearly two years. I feel good. My blood work is really good. High D, great triglycerides and HDL, low fasting insulin, low inflammatory markers, etc. Looking back at my bloodwork before I started Keto, I see I was a bomb waiting to go off. I exercise daily too.

[@michaeltherrien6006]

I really need to step up the exercise routine.👍

[@carriesilvinaespinozavilla5177]

It's amazing to look back on past tests with a more educated and informed eye. I found I had a non alcoholic fatty liver in my past tests and no one had said anything to me. I had been on high blood pressure meds, antivirals, a long list of allergy meds. " Inflammation" was mentioned in my file but my doctor did not explain what it meant. I too recognized my health position was like a " timebomb" waiting to go off. Now I'm very aware of my inflammatory levels, nutrition levels and guard my body from insults. I hike long distances and use low weight weightlifting to build muscle mass, avoiding over stressing thus raising inflammation. I don't touch meds anymore because so many cause proven mitochondria dysfunction. For the first time in my life my allergies are gone, my enlarged heart has become normal, my blood pressure is normal, my ulceritis colitis is gone, terrible joint pain ( arthritis) is 95 % gone, terrible achy muscles , gone. Grinding depression gone, over the top anxiety, 95% gone. Breast cancer, gone All these changes were completely unexpected and unanticipated. My only original goal was to be able to breathe freely after two years of Covid Longhaulers severe lung congestion.

[@shelly2758]

Thank you for sharing your story. Wow, you really went through it. I’m glad that you’re better. 🙌🏼

[@mpoharper]

@@shelly2758 thank you. I am so lucky because so many who were diagnosed after me have passed away.😭

[@pointshealthcoaching8474]

So awesome; thank you for sharing & inspiring others

[@Sparki1215]

Dr. Westman, Along the same subject of cancer and metabolic health, it would be great to see you do an interview with Dr. Thomas Seyfried of Boston College.

[@robinbeers6689]

And perhaps also with Dr. Jason Fung author of "The Cancer Code".

[@mpoharper]

@@robinbeers6689 nice book!!!

[@robinbeers6689]

@Majestic Artimus It bears repeating.

[@mpoharper]

@Majestic Artimus it would be good to know where to get this treatment. Easy to do keto but where do you get anti glutamine medication? Probably also need scans to track progress. All he does is complain about cancer treatment centers not doing his protocol. Sorry but those of us with cancer need help now!!

[@marj8885]

​@Mary Harper Unfortunately, hospitals are not implementing any of his treatment suggestions because it is not acceptable. If a doctor would use something new or different from the acceptable treatment plan he/she would be stopped. For example: for deep vein thrombosis prevention every patients must be on chemical and mechanical prevention (heparin or lovenox with the leg massage). It's a standard treatment. Same goes for cancer, certain therapy must be followed. Not to mention the doctors would not know how to use the DON, they are not familiar with it. The more we hear about these options the more chances we have for change.

[@nataliajimenez1870]

Thank you Dr Westman for bringing top specialists to discuss these topics. The keto community needs specialists that deeply understand science to share the best evidence-based research

[@lindaloranger2998]

The keto diet by Dr. Westman has eliminated my chronic diarrhea and improved my life so much. I am an anal cancer survivor and can't help but feel this will help me prevent or survive new cancers.

[@robinq5511]

This interview was so informative and she is right that the conventional world needs to hear this info on a regular basis to improve their health and prevent diseases like cancer! ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@AdaptYourLife]

Thank you kindly Robin 😊

[@Dr.ChristyKesslering]

Thank you Robin!

[@danielrichwine2268]

Metabolic health. I only started learning how essential it is a short time ago. So many years where I wrecked my metabolism, the good part is now as I'm slowly improving it I feel so much younger and better. Wish I had learned this decades ago.

[@shirleydilleshaw5289]

Thank you Dr Kesslering & Dr Westman. Very interesting!

[@pepper419]

Millions of people should hear this. A really interesting talk, thank you very much.

[@casmithc2]

Thank you for talking with her! Not a lot of discussion on Diet and Cancer available for us.

[@mpoharper]

Cancer Code by Jason Fung is interesting, but it is less about diet while cancer is being treated than a history of cancer treatment and cancer prevention by preventing obesity. It helped me when I was first diagnosed, in part because it made me so happy that there are so many new treatments that can help. We still have far to go, but for me diet has played an important role.

[@patrickh709]

There are plenty of videos addressing diet and cancer featuring Prof. Thomas Seyfried. In my opinion, he is my go to person relating to all cancer related topics. Dr Fung is 2nd.

[@judyrobinson5044]

Many of us want to know:WHERE in the U.S. are there cancer treatments that integrate Ketogenic diets as part of their therapy?

[@drewskiv686]

Probably isn’t one. Dr Seyfried mentions there’s one in Turkey though

[@marthab7059]

Always love your talks. They help keep me on track…. Or get back on track and remind me of my “why.” Not just being thin!

[@chrisavetrano]

Best interview ever. Lots of good clear information!

[@baccaratfitness2360]

Great interview. I learned cancer cell’s up-regulate insulin receptors to be able metabolize more glucose.

[@shevawnprather7162]

I have found that eating mostly red meat, eggs and dairy, for me, keeps me satiated for long periods of time naturally and as God intended. ❤️

[@args50451]

We need many more Drs. like you 2. Just like a computer program, garbage in = garbage out/outcomes.

[@DrTonyHampton]

YES. Another metabolic health doc in the Chicagoland area 🎊 🎉

[@jackien4959]

Are there any in the northern burbs that you are aware of???

[@DrTonyHampton]

@@jackien4959 Not off the top but I would search via the SMHP, Low Carb USA, or Diet Doctor website provider search engines.

[@michaeltherrien6006]

Lucky!

[@dennisbauer3315]

Thanks!

[@AdaptYourLife]

Thank you kindly Dennis 😊

[@FrenchRoseGoddess]

What a fabulous coverage! This is a brilliant overview, of a seemingly complex and controversial topic made simple and concise by two Drs who are well versed in the literature - from its origins. Dr Kesslering gives a wonderfully concise and precise perspective with passion and deep understanding, yet also with good humour and charm. Her final remarks say it all.. “Patients are starting to wise up and realise conventional medicine is not going to save them.” I’m in that group right now with a current T2N1 ErPr+ve HER2-ve BCA myself and I have quickly had an exponential learning curve acceleration in both the benefits of the ketogenic diet and an understanding of the metabolic disease background of CA. It’s thanks to Drs Westman and Kesslering and other admirable people who are putting this information out for us to use because use it we must if we are ever going to overcome institutional bias and resistance to these Truths. Thank you Drs for your dedication and commitment ❤❤

[@mcapital5539]

Why aren't we discussing the 2nd fuel the cancer ferments?? : GLUTAMINE and Glutamine inhibitors?! To completely eradicate it!!

[@pcread]

The book Ravenous by Sam Apple is a great read about the scientist Otto Warburg, his life and the science of cancer cells and the discoveries that lead to finding their preferred diet (SPOILER: Glucose and Glutamine). Gives a great insight into the mechanisms and how fashions in science can lead society down dangerous roads.

[@JW45174]

Awesome video! Next up Dr. Thomas Seyfreid

[@shelly2758]

Excellent guest. This information made so much sense. * besides the only good thing , getting people to look at diet for cancer, Dean Ornish is an ass hat. Guy gives me the creeps . Thank you, Dr Westman 🙌🏼

[@peggyhanford1208]

This is such a great, informative interview. Thank you both.

[@rozcarlson9109]

Excellent! Thank you.

[@laurahall9114]

Wow, this was so interesting, and packed with really important information. Thanks so much. I watched it on my TV.

[@reneejames2841]

I strongly agree with diet effecting all diseases including cancer. I had a heated discussion with a urologist awhile ago because he could not believe that health wasn't going downhill since I was diagnosed with cancer two years before I met up with him .. I told him I changed my diet which he boldly stated DIET has nothing to do with health

[@cjsjourney1825]

Dr Thomas Seyfried Boston College has a great Metabolic Therapy for cancer of almost any kind. I would try his method first before any destructive Chemo therapy.

[@ladyfritz8r]

Even Dr. Seyfried says some cancers do not go away by diet alone and require chemo intervention - but I would prefer not to use them as well if it came to that.

[@mcapital5539]

I think what doctor Seyfried to saying is not to use chemo on radiation but use a restricted ketogenic diet PLUS a glutamine inhibitor to get rid of the cancer completely, you need the glutamine inhibitor: DON

[@emilyp3338]

​@@mcapital5539 The only problem with this is the powers that shouldn't be won't allow us, We the People, to have access to and use DON. Thomas Seyfried states this in his interviews. If one watches enough of his videos, he gives other tips and hints on how to naturally inhibit glutamine to the best of one's ability. I believe exercise is one way. There was one interview that I seem to remember some pretty good tips being mentioned in. It was on HomeSteadHow KZbin channel. It had Thomas Seyfried, Jeff DeProsperis (currently in battle against colon cancer), Kerry Mann (I think I got last name correct, host of HomeSteadHow) and a couple other people (at least one was another cancer survivor) included in it. Jeff asked Professor Seyfried a bunch of questions. I just tried to look it up using search words HomeSteadHow cancer. I did not take the time to rewatch it (1:05:29 in length) to be sure, but it may be the video titled, Cancer Breakthrough: How Metabolic Therapy is Changing Lives. It was posted 6 months ago. HomeSteadHow has at least one other video I've seen on the channel with both Thomas Seyfried and Jeff DeProsperis in it.

[@Roberto-cg2gr]

Have a study on effects of prolonged fasting in prevention of cancer ♋

[@sanautin]

Very informative, thanks!

[@bruceprigge5212]

Thank you so much! 🙂

[@naturalhealthyrecipesremedies]

I would prefer green tea fasting more effective then water fasting during receiving chemo for reducing oxidative stress

[@krismaille3683]

This content was so helpful, also the explanation on steroids vs insulin.

[@mcapital5539]

Dr Kesslering, I am a 50 yo father, very fit, muscular, and I constantly take care of my health. But as you mentioned clearly, I may be insulin resistant and not know it, so I wish to ask you some questions : 1. When I test for insulin Hormone, what's the sweets spot it needs to be at? 2. Do you need to fast if you're on a strict ketogenic diet 3. Do you suggest the regular use of Berberine and green tea extracts for cancer prevention? Thank you for your time

[@thehungergames8918]

Christy is the best ❤

[@AahyiSam]

Absolutely!

[@Cocobean4]

Have you done any study with the Covid vaccine/ boosters with metabolic function? Does this vaccine raise insulin because we are seeing such an increase in cancer and cardiovascular disease. Thank you ☺️

[@Mrs.TJTaylor]

I have the power to make my own personal famine come; a properly formulated ketogenic diet and time restricted eating. Thank you doctors. Wonderfully informative discussion. edit: I think if you start chemo with your liver in excellent condition, you’re going to detoxify more easily and more rapidly. Just a thought from a layman.

[@robinq5511]

That was my initial plan as well. The weight loss on Keto was the added benefit and now my liver & pancreas are not fatty anymore! And my insulin is down to 3...

[@pointshealthcoaching8474]

Problem is you don't have to be "obese" to have metabolic illness. But you are definitely at increased risk for cancer and other dysregulations of tissues/& autoimmune conditions if you're metabolically ill...l.... too bad doctors don't tell ppl this

[@Dr.ChristyKesslering]

100% agree but it is often because they don't know. The more we all talk about it, hopefully the more we will enlighten!

[@chriscrumbley9219]

What is the metabolic health sphere she referred to?

[@KBradAdams]

Having revision lumbar fusion in a week! Should I keep doing keto or is something better to stimulate bone growth in the spine? Been doing it since Jan under 20 carbs a day in ketosis With keto sticks!

[@carriesilvinaespinozavilla5177]

Dr. Shawn Baker is a carnivore on KZbin, he is a military doctor specializing in ortho pedic surgery. I have had 2 spinal surgeries. I wish I had known about keto and carnivore before I had either surgery. The first surgery was the result of an injury on the job. The second injury was when, under full anesthesia, I was allowed to fall off a surgery table breaking my back. Carnivore definitely controls the pain in my lower back.

[@KBradAdams]

@Majestic Artimus Well my surgeon has put the surgery off for 2 years and told me to wait but now believes it's time. My question was not about a fusion but wondering if KETO is a good diet for a fusion. I get so tired of people putting out content but they wont answer questions from non paying subscribers. I know they are big and famous now and making tons of money but it is a simple question.

[@nooks12]

Can we discuss how hard it is to lose weight in perimenopause? Keto doesn't always work. Why?

[@alexr6114]

Stress produces cortisol and that packs on the pounds around the waist according to Dr. Robert Lustig, a research physician at the University of California. Dr. Lustig's research group did a study years ago that found that yoga reduced excess fat around perimenopausal and menopausal women's waists better than "stressful" cardiovascular disease (I find yoga stressful because it is so slow and that drives me crazy, but not everyone is the same). In addition, most women, and men, start losing muscle mass as they move and exercise less (how often did you lift your toddlers and babies when they were young each day compared to how much do you lift once your kids could walk without you carrying them?) so women burn less calories with less muscle over time.

[@moiraberniegatt9491]

I WANT to eat healthy fats but although I’ve not got gall stones or gall bladder sludge, animal fats cause it to block. I’m 125lbs/5ft tall so not obese. Any suggestions?

[@n2daair23]

What exactly are the healthy fats which we should consume?

[@Anna-mi8cq]

Animal fats, & no seed oils

[@C2yourself]

Bacon fat, tallow from beef, lard, butter, ghee, coconut oil, EVOO , and cold press avocado oil

[@n2daair23]

👍

[@honkytonk4465]

​@@MajesticArtimusolive oil is 99,xx% fat

[@dns16372]

Just read an article on my Google News feeds: "Heart Disease: ‘Keto-Like’ Low-carb Diets May Double Your Risk. New research suggests that low-carb, high-fat diets like Keto may significantly raise your risk of cardiovascular issues such as heart attack, stroke, and blocked arteries." Many of my Keto friends are abandoning LCHF (Low Carb High Fat) eating due to this study in the UK " According to research presented on March 5, 2023, at the American College of Cardiology’s Annual Scientific Session Together With the World Congress of Cardiology, a “keto-like diet” was associated with negative effects, including higher levels of LDL cholesterol, the so-called “bad” cholesterol. Additionally, it was linked with a greater than two-fold increase in the risk of cardiovascular (CV) issues - such as heart attack,"

[@jackien4959]

I think that study was addressed on many Chanel’s. Diet in study was not “ketogenic”. I believe Dr Westman addressed the study a couple weeks ago.

[@dns16372]

@@jackien4959 I will have to find his comments on the study

[@Dr.ChristyKesslering]

Yes, if I recall correctly it still had about 40% calories from carb which is the perfect high fat-high carb disease creating diet.

[@honkytonk4465]

Another bs study

[@graveseeker]

Where can we find metabolic practitioners?

[@Dr.ChristyKesslering]

You can search providers at The Society of Metabolic Health Practitioners.

[@alexisperlotte5089]

Good evening

[@bles4618]

So what does Dr Kesslering eat in a day?! 😬

[@Dr.ChristyKesslering]

Thanks for asking :) I follow a mostly carnivore style ketogenic diet (mostly ribeyes, eggs, bacon, salmon, added butter and only occasional low carb plants--typically only when I am not at home or when entertaining others). I keep track of all of my labs (glucose, insulin, trigs, HDL, CRP, ESR, LDH, GGT, etc). I found that when I was more plant heavy keto, I could not get my insulin under mid-high 5s but when I dropped plants for even just a month, I got it down to mid 2s. I also found that I was having issues with oxalates (spinach and almonds wrecked my gut) and sulfur (cruciferous veg) and then subsequently histamines. All improved/improving with optimizing digestion and eliminating plants. This is why I don't believe that there is only one right keto diet. Always working to optimize for the individual.

[@vnvela8613]

@@Dr.ChristyKessleringYes!

[@suzanneguenther4829]

Does it help with malignant melanoma?

[@Dr.ChristyKesslering]

By belief is yes, as this is an extremely metabolic cancer (very bright on PET scans). Patricia Daly has her story out in social media and noted a wonderful response to KD.

[@Sammy-zp4cc]

Dr. Seyrfeid suggests that DNA mutations are down stream from mitochondrial dysfunction...where Is Dr. Kesslering on this theory?

[@Dr.ChristyKesslering]

Yes, definitely. It is one of the reasons I test LDH in everyone. This is a great surrogate for how well your mitochondria are working.

[@cassieoz1702]

Cancer cells ferment glucose and glycine. Keto diet targets glucose but what are we doing to target glycine pathways?

[@carriesilvinaespinozavilla5177]

Dr. Thomas Seyfried has a book that covers the protocol for using a pulse protocol for restricted diets to starve cancer cells of glycine and glucose. I contacted him via email at Boston U. I am still following his protocols, however one med I couldn't get my hands on. Nonetheless as of 2 months ago all my tumors that weren't removed via lumpectomies have disappeared.

[@cassieoz1702]

@carriesilvinaespinozavilla5177 is that 'Keto For Cancer' or 'Cancer As A Metabolic Disease'? I'm between metastases at the moment so looking to stay that way as long as possible

[@carriesilvinaespinozavilla5177]

Seyfrieds book is "Cancer as a Metabolic Desease ". It took me three months to go through carb withdrawals and get fat adapted. I never thought I could eat nothing but meat. My poor gall bladder had stones because it had been so unused and it was painful to get it up and running again. If you have cancer you are in an EMERGENCY.state. Drop all processed foods, wean yourself off of the veges and pick up the elimination diet of all rumanant meat with egg yolks and lots of good animal fats. No one who has cancer is nutritionally fit or metabolically fit. Cancer cells are so tormented by the poor diet and other insults that they actually unmor themselves to escape. They send out hormones signaling SOS to other nearby cells. Our body inflammation is the attempt to dilute the inflammation. The elimination diet of all meat and salt has been used for decades for hard to treat cases like epilepsy. It takes time to heal the body after decades of abuse. My body is still changing after 15 months of eating a Proper Human Diet as Dr. Berry says. Some peoples body's developed a level of morbid obesity in a desperate attempt to cope with the overabundance of carbs. No matter how many carbs I ate I don't think I could get morbidly obese, but I definitely was very metabolically dysfunctional.

[@smooth_pursuit]

I’m just starting this interview, but according to Dr Seyfried it’s glucose and glutamine (not glycine)… watch his interviews

[@mcapital5539]

​@@smooth_pursuityes, it's Glutamine, not sure people are saying Glycine??

[@jerzy2pi]

If you are at the position of doctors and are convinced that keto / fasting is helpfull, why you do not propose parallel enforcing method parallel to regular, some people will just ignore and some will jump since they will do anything to get better. Ten you should build evidence - just get better results then other doctors - the proof methid works. There is no need to check fasting / keto in cancer by performing large costfull clinical trials - some people will just perform this test.

[@Dr.ChristyKesslering]

There is a growing body of literature and review this data in many of my presentations. The main issue is that most trials are funded by pharma. No one is interested in funding diet trials so these tend to be very small, single institution trials and then the masses continue to say that there is not enough data. Very disappointing but we keep trying to spread the word.

[@jerzy2pi]

@@Dr.ChristyKesslering I see, it is hard to make sound proof based on case base case, indded. Thanks

[@Frodoswaggns]

"I put people on carnivore and have IGF-1 come down" Excuse me, this makes no sense based on the current literature, citations?

[@ashtonreason3444]

Cancer is a metabolic disease

[@aulbertwest9648]

Sorry, Miracle Grow is not a good comparison usually.

[@H4KnSL4K]

Thanks!

[@AdaptYourLife]

Thank you kindly 😊