FULL interview with Mary Kay Letourneau | 7NEWS World Exclusive

[@swannoir]

Thank you so much for posting this full interview.

[@7newsSpotlight]

Thank you for watching, and for your comment. We thought it was important to share the entire interview, for context.

[@TheAaronChand]

​@@7newsSpotlightI spoke with Vili and I follow him on Instagram his relationship and marriage with Mary seems unorthodox but only because we live in modern times in other times in human history up untill the 1950s and 1960s this kind of thing wouldn't have been a big deal since people got together at younger ages and became adults earlier

[@TheAaronChand]

​@@7newsSpotlightalso in the Philippines the age of consent was age 12 years old in 1996 untill 2022. Had Mary and Vili got together in the Philippines it wouldn't have been a big deal. In Japan in 1996 the age of consent was 13 years old at the time so in Japan back than they woudnt have been in trouble. In Afghanistan there is no age of consent as long as you are married under Islamic law and both parties reached puberty same thing in Pakistan

[@proveallthings_521]

There is forgiveness with God in Jesus Christ of they repent and believe

[@proveallthings_521]

​@@7newsSpotlightthere is forgivess with God in Jesus Christ if they repent and believe?

[@heynormars]

He literally said he’s 35 & would never do that to a 13 year old & it went over her head that he believes it’s wrong

[@CC12398]

Maybe they've not even been living together all this time, pretending to keep up appearances

[@paulan7218]

@@CC12398 well they separated in 2020 and and then she died in 2021

[@mikeyjaynes92]

​@paulan7218 they divorced in 2019

[@LouiseMZeitlin]

I hope he has a better life since she died.

[@LouiseMZeitlin]

What year was this interview?

[@sukicara1163]

The fact that she remembered everything he said and he couldn’t remember anything is perfectly proofed that she is an adult with a matured mental state and he was a kid that didn’t really had a clear understanding of adult relationship and emotions.

[@kevinjordan6159]

He also couldn’t remember cause she is lying

[@Whozcooking]

Or maybe drugged

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

Why are you being dishonest? He shared his memories in this interview! He even admitted to telling her that he was trying to look up her skirt when he was in the closet in her classroom as a kid! People never are persuasive when they speak dishonestly/misrepresent facts. Especially when the evidence is literally in front of all our faces here.

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

@@kevinjordan6159 How unfortunate that you are following in the OP’s footsteps of being dishonest.

[@msjadhav5192]

100%

[@Edub02386]

Regardless of their marriage, this man is STILL a victim! This entire interview is 50 shades of disturbing

[@lakeshagoodwin6421]

Yes it is

[@shawnamoulton5435]

Exactly! He was never given the proper counseling a victim needs after being manipulated by a predator. I believe it's called Stockholm disease when a victim sympathizes with their abuser. They need extensive counseling to undo the trauma. Also I just wanted to say how disgusting it is to hear her try to justify their relationship by talking about how they were both going through alot & had problems in life & that's what bonded them. First of all as a teacher it was completely inappropriate for her to share any of her personal matters with him & secondly she claims to be this "smart" educated person yet she can't answer simple questions in this interview. Also, He seems to answer his questions with what he thinks she wants him to say & how she wants him to feel. I think if this interview was done without her in the room that his responses would have been entirely different.

[@blessed2b4given]

💯

[@sharleneyoussef6930]

shes dellusional!.

[@skyegroome223]

He ended up divorcing her.

[@IndigoRoses7]

She stole his youth, his childhood, his literal life. He seems like an absolutely lovely father, so I'm sure for them he doesn't regret the path he came from. But this woman took so much away from him, unapologetically.

[@anaf.408]

He could have easily had children with someone his age and been a great lovely father also. She stole all that from him and now shes dead.

[@b0nab0]

How exactly did she steal? Did she abused a child that never wanted it or she was chaotic enough to allow a minor do what he wanted to do? How he could get traumatized if he has pursuing her?

[@marwatson7408]

He was 12 years old at the time and they are asking the question who is to blame she is the one to blame and Mary Kay has ruined a lot of lives along the way.

[@snimsay]

It is EMBARRASSING that after so many years you call this "an affair" and not what it is: CHILD ABUSE.

[@christiangirl2222]

Stop It.

[@shadysorkin9214]

@@christiangirl2222 Stop what? Telling the truth?

[@supme7558]

Its no afair its a full on committed relationship and yull all cant stop it ...proof to me if there is no malicious intent, then sorry

[@lynnjackson8367]

Gtfo it. She died ffs and he was there taking care of her....they share children who love them both so maybe consider those girls before being so disgusting

[@cici7333]

It absolutely was child abuse!!

[@sallyharris9100]

Can you imagine Vili having to put up with this crazy person for the last 20 years? I was exhausted after the first four minutes.

[@Augfordpdoggie]

i said the same thing

[@kellymerkel6191]

Right? I keep skipping forward

[@SilkyShish]

I agree. It took alot of energy to watch the entire interview. I do give the interviewer props for being able to remain very patient and professional with her nutball rambling nonsense.

[@s0064019]

Vili comes from a huge family, and he might have needed more attention and affection. This makes him misunderstand the difference between an abusive relationship from a true love...god bless him!

[@brynvega1670]

Soooo true. And now I need a nap

[@albertcookstein]

Update: Mary Kay died of colon cancer in 2020. This lovely young man moved on with his life and had another child with another women and he is now a grandfather! He is finally living his best life. God bless him and his kids.

[@itsinesantonio]

Thanks God He is noe finally free and happy

[@vitos2337]

I love karma

[@Mariclairy]

A grandfather at 40? That makes me sad. He grew up too quick. Experienced everything in life a little too early.

[@theyoungwolf9852]

He also took care of her during the last few years of her life despite what she did and that they were divorced

[@InHitchWeTrust]

​@@vitos2337 what do you mean karma? A lot of people die of colon cancer in their 50s, so you say they they all deserve it? Or kids dying of cancer - that's karma, too? Just for the record, I think the woman was horrible human being, but I don't understand what karma had to do with it.

[@nataluxx7312]

Im 35 and the thought of being with a 12 year old makes me wanna disappear for the world.

[@LoudUpstairsNeighbor]

Same here, it's too disgusting to fathom.

[@Lei-AICPhD]

Same completely! Even a 20 year old. Can’t even deal. They’re children. They have no idea what’s going on in the world. She said it full out. They took the same art class so that made them equals

[@YaLittleFriend]

It really makes me wonder how on earth myself like it’s so not even a thought for most people and then there’s her……..😓

[@ojj3340]

@@Lei-AICPhD a 20 year old is not a child…

[@susannemcdonnell3160]

I'm 40 and don't even want to be with someone that's a young adult, let alone 13!!

[@rosalitaschmidt5403]

She talks a LOT without saying anything!

[@KCJSummers]

Spot on! It’s frustrating!

[@MaOm675]

And doesn’t let Villi say much. She cuts him off… She speaks over and for him. She’s very manipulative.

[@Yobbie72]

If you actually stop and listen to her words, and not her delivery, she says a lot while making some very good points. Listen harder.

[@sarahjackson-smith9050]

Is she drunk?

[@Veronica83123]

Gives me anxiety!

[@gabriellar8456]

He deserved so much more. She stole his childhood from him. She stole every moment that a teenager gets to experience. She has the audacity to talk about how precious the years of childhood are, and yet she is responsible for taking away those years from him.

[@TheAaronChand]

Having a childhood is a recent thing that didn't exist for most of world history until after World War 2

[@rushypeace]

@@TheAaronChandyea hence the world wars which ended 1945 so she had plenty of time to catch the new drift lol

[@susymartins9531]

I’m sorry I would’ve respected her more if she came up there and said you know what I messed up for made a huge mistake. I took something from him. And I’ll forever be in debt to him for that. But no !!!! She’ll say anything, even if it makes no sense. she groomed him. That’s why he left her butt after until she got cancer and went back to take care of her until she died. So sad.

[@anti-narc]

Every narc wich!

[@yvonnedeboer7535]

At least he had 7 years to enjoy alone when she was in jail. With girls his own age...but he waited for her! Strange 'lovestory'.

[@vane12685]

She is so odd. Like really a weirdo. How she still doesnt realize that she was a predator, rapist, abuser, manipulator. She died believing she did the right thing for love. Give me a flippin break.

[@theresanault5219]

Actually, she regretted her decisions and the pain she caused. She admitted she was wrong to Villi. She wrote 30 letters to various people for all of the harm her decisions caused. When she told him about her cancer He left California and returned to care for her 24/7 the last weeks of her life. I think I understand his uniqueness. He is truly a selfless person and very empathetic. He was probably mature beyond his 13 years, but that is no excuse for her behavior. She took complete advantage of his selflessness and empathy and absorbed it all for her own needs.

[@vane12685]

It doesn't change what she did for all those years. Doesnt make me empathize with her. She is still a vile person.

[@justiceBustamante]

She looks like she's 90

[@Nardius1999]

She was not a predator, people just like throwing that word around in cases like this. A predator is someone who intentionally and purposely goes looking for prey and that was not the case with her. Was she wrong for what she did? Yes, according to the law, was she a predator? No.

[@hussainmartins5985]

​@@Nardius1999she intentionally and purposely pursued a relationship with a minor that doesn't know any better (prey), all for her own gratification. That sounds predatory to me.

[@delilah2839]

I taught high school for about 15 years and I've always looked a lot younger than my real age. I started teaching around age 23 but I looked like a 15 year old. The male students would sometimes hit on me. I immediately put an end to that behavior and never found it flattering, exciting, or enticing. They are kids. They are my students. Parents send kids to school with full trust that we will keep them safe.

[@Paramania15]

Same thing happened to me, except I was 22. I can’t even comprehend entertaining an inappropriate conversation at that!

[@sharon6981]

Same thing happened to me. It was so bad I had to report two boys. They moved me to elementary school…

[@TheAaronChand]

Vili was in 6th grade not 15 years old yet age 12 almost 13 years old

[@midgetgorillagaming]

Queen

[@TheAaronChand]

@delilah2839 also the president of France Emmanuel Macron and his wife where also former teacher and student much like Vili and Mary and it happened in the same time period the 90s in 1994 only difference was that Macron was 15 years old and in France back in 1994 the age of consent was 15 and it's only statutory rape if the 2 people involved are forced in any way. Or if there is evidence of violence threat or surprise.

[@caprice3110]

He speaks like a true victim and she speaks like a true groomist, victim-blamer and denialist.

[@mystik.mermayde.aotearoa]

Exactly what i was thinking 💯

[@andreafajardo9816]

She even speaks for him. It is so disturbing.

[@charmingjinx9379]

Mary Kay Latourneau was a woman who accepted no responsibility and lived in denial, and seemed emotionally manipulative. There's a scene in the "May-December" movie where "Gracie" is talking to Elizabeth about being naive and what a good thing it is to be naive. I think it summed up the predatory behaviour of Latourneau very well. A middle-aged woman (that includes a 34 yo woman) is not naive. Not on the same level as a 12 yo kid. She lived in a state of denial, pretending, putting her own gratification ahead of everyone else's well-being, most importantly her own children. She had an ability to be "frail" so a well-meaning, emotionally stunted child like Vili would need a lot of strength and maturity to push away her manipulation. Even in this interview, as a grown man, he's not in touch with how he feels. He seems to push it away and be in another body, as May Kay talks AROUND the obvious. She is the classic predator. She blames HIM. HE seduced HER. She takes no responsibility and makes sure he is not heard, won't even let him start to think there was problem. "WE know, don't we, Vili? We're in love, aren't we, Vili?"

[@OOOO0OOOO0001___]

stockholm syndrome

[@MiamiPush2theLimit]

wtf do you expect? She’s still with him. How can she say she did something wrong when it ended in a lasting marriage? Their marriage lasted longer than most couples that meet as adults 😔

[@singingcypress9280]

The fact that he can’t remember anything tells exactly how traumatic the whole thing was for him.

[@MonkeyBisky]

Absolutely. In fact I believe she used the guilt of her losing her family and job as a manipulation tactic. I believe he stayed with her because of that. Having children of his own made him realize what she did to him was wrong. He doesn't look like he's in love. She on the other behaves like a 13 year old girl. It bothers me that she continues to put the responsibility and blame on him is quite bothersome. I hope he heals and finds real love and not this tangled mess he's been in since 13

[@kevinjordan6159]

Also she was an groomer

[@msjadhav5192]

100%

[@Nardius1999]

It does not and stop lying just because you resent the fact she had a sexual relationship with an underage person.

[@Uriel-ox2fw]

​@@Nardius1999underage person 💀 yeah the word is "child"

[@haley8835]

I've had toddlers speak to me more coherently than this lady does.

[@christa526]

She appears to be under the influence of drugs or alcohol, perchance?

[@dawnlizmc]

Imagine her actually TEACHING a class!!

[@chrissieroxba2949]

@@christa526she might’ve been on pain meds at this point when this interview was done..MaryKay passed away in 2020 from colorectal cancer.. she was only 58.

[@FreeSpirit47]

@@chrissieroxba2949 Thank you for commenting about her health issues & being on pain meds. She was, indeed, on pain meds. The interviewer was also mercilessly badgering her.

[@deloreslate4028]

@@christa526that’s what I was going to say. Not drunk but more like she’s on some benzos or something.

[@greengreenmom]

She talked like they went to college together as if they were the similar age, this is disgusting

[@professork451]

Mostly when she purposefully enrolled him in the same class so they could be together!! Horrible!!

[@sharon6981]

Yeah that was confusing for me..

[@kellyannex1024]

yeah she almost gaslit me into believing it even though i know they met when he was 12

[@evatran7204]

@@professork451😊

[@authorhalierivers]

I love that the interviewer stood his ground

[@karasun4331]

Good old aussy interviewers

[@kotieboatz6042]

Yeah heaps OF EMPATHY top bloke

[@tekiuroti8455]

He called her out when she started gaslighting Vili that was awesome

[@ketchuph8r]

someone had to keep it on track! they KNOW why they're famous, yet they're reaching with all their might to avoid the topic 🥴🥴🙃🙃

[@frankieee1204]

This gave me literal chest pain. The anger that was conjured up caused me physical pain. I cannot believe the AUDACITY of this woman.

[@shuffman8094]

He left her about a year after this interview. No doubt having children brought the reality of his life to him: that she was abuser. And she failed to acknowledge it.

[@jadalove3677]

She takes absolutely no accountability..and it's frustrating... She did her time but she believes she did no wrong to to a child (teenage) tht can not give consent..it's disgusting. She a different kind of monster.

[@dalilagomezpascual2095]

She passed away from cancer and Netflix just released the movie this week is called May December

[@dalilagomezpascual2095]

​@shuffman8094 she passed away from cancer isn't?

[@samirasamira2918]

@@shuffman8094and she died right after he left her from colon cancer

[@michelleraven7151]

This interview makes it perfectly clear that we need laws on the book to protect children from unhealthy and dangerous adults.

[@LorenaMartinez-gs4fe]

But there were laws, did you hear what she said? She said there were no laws who stated that women can be predators too! Smh 🤦 I mean come on! She is delusional and in denial! She just doesn’t feel like she did anything wrong 😑. She passed now and I hope he gets to live a new life and I’m not religious but I would say “ the lord is the only one who might want to have mercy “ I do not have any sympathy for children predators.

[@Nardius1999]

I was always fascinated by their relationship. I don't believe she acted as a predator as so many are quick to assume. I think we have more than enough laws in place to protect kids from dangerous adults.

[@mhe8545]

You should tell parents to watch out for their kids teachers not just that it goes by fast. How would you react to your 12 year old daughter to get involved with a 35 year old man? She is a flake! She can’t keep a thought. He looks like he is ready to run.

[@FreeSpirit47]

The laws would have protected Priscilla Beaulieu. She was a 9th grader being pursued by Elvis Presley.

[@emigrace3228]

​@@FreeSpirit47yeah, I love the whole "women get off" argument... Until very recently it was accepted (and often lauded) for men to systematically marry underage girls.

[@PrecillaBanuelos]

We can see her level of control over him as an adult now imagine when he was 13 😢. Poor guy

[@sharonoliver2215]

I Agee she does seem very controlling

[@kielele927]

During this interview Vili had already filed for separation. He filed in 2017 and the interview was in 2018. They kept living together but it might explain how he finally started opening up on what he felt. Her grooming is insane.

[@barbeezlife]

She passed away in 2020

[@marie22213]

I don't wish death on anyone but I think it was best for the entire situation. He's finally free. I do feel sad for the girls because they'll miss their mom but how good of a mom can she truly be considering I guess it would be okay if their teacher got them pregnant 🤦 they're all safer now that she's gone I hate to say

[@avamasquerade]

This is what happens when the victim becomes infinitely smarter than the predator. It must've been such a harrowing experience for him to cognitively develop enough to suddenly grasp her absolute madness...

[@springboard1994]

"Her grooming is insane .." And her gaslighting, too.

[@Moonbunny55]

That was past grooming into full out abusive manipulation

[@tanyaporter8455]

This interviewer is unbelievably calm and collected considering her absurd answers. He is handling this perfectly.

[@PartyRaccoon]

Agree, She avoids answering the question head on. She pretends she does not know what the interviewer is asking and rambles on. The woman has no moral compass.

[@mlw9195]

are we ALL going to ignore the fact that she sounds JUST like Sarah Paulson😂😂. Like this was a total missed opportunity

[@YogawithDeena]

Exactly. Like a good detective, not displaying major emotions nor having huge reactions. Bravo!

[@Bbyshmandra]

@@mlw9195😂 omg you are so right.

[@Augfordpdoggie]

Mary's fave book to read to Vili? Peddington Bear ;)

[@Kailua3000]

When Villi says that in light of becoming a man and raising children of his own, that he could never imagine engaging in the same behavior as Mary with a 13 year old girl, her complete denial of her own behavior is both disturbing and sad.

[@mandystrong8196]

They have innocent children who love them both dearly so get over yourself.

[@Kailua3000]

@@mandystrong8196 Huh???

[@LorenaMartinez-gs4fe]

@@mandystrong8196what? What are you saying? Don’t defend her

[@haveagreatday3664]

@@mandystrong8196Mary is that you??!! Hanging out at the middle school to pick up boy toys??

[@Moonbunny55]

She should’ve just come out and said you wouldn’t do it but I did!

[@421541Michee]

"It was only illegal for men. When did they announce it would apply to women?" What?!

[@thehoopcast]

Absolutely disgusting.

[@jamiealfenso737]

I have no words. I can't even believe that was said.

[@amybess]

That was actually a thing at one point It excuses Nothing

[@NeuroEverything]

You say that… but Mary Kay’s mother was a big advocate against the ERA, which basically handed out equal responsibilities to men and women in the 70s… so it’s actually very on brand.

[@gramajan4]

The stabs of pain in this poor man’s heart as he hears her ramble on coldly denying her guilt.

[@cheri7054]

He was so well groomed. OMG he almost appears to be emotionally removed to protect his feelings.

[@LorenaMartinez-gs4fe]

He is even trying to say that is wrong 😑 and she is trying to shut him up like whaaaaat !!! He’s saying it clearly!! This woman was soooo manipulative!

[@pataccardo7242]

Sorry for him,he dosent look like he's in love

[@cholieandresa]

His eyes are saying it all, the head movements, the itching of the neck. He’s screaming it… the only way he knows how

[@Zwantceeto]

His level of dissociation must be insane. I feel for him.

[@TheShanna76522]

She was such a gaslighting narcissist. Her triangulation, projection, and gaslighting is unreal. He was a victim and remained a victim until the day she died.

[@ryanfellows-fitts7247]

He's still a victim even though she is deceased. Look at him when she laughs about stuff like her father's marriage at the start, he is so uncomfortable. I have no doubt that now that she is deceased, he's dealing with trauma that was fully masked when she was alive and a negative headspace like most victims do when their rapists die. I have no doubt that nearly 5 years after her death, he's dealing with some personal demons

[@loriwilson-n9t]

She really does not want to admit she met him when he was a 8 year old student! She has the nerve to say he was a pervert looking up her skirt!

[@golnaz.shoush]

Exactly

[@maddiepellegrin-it7qk]

THATS WHAT GOT ME

[@k-master973]

This interview is so uncomfortable and cringeworthy to watch because it’s entirely just her trying to skate around the fact that she’s a pedophile and a groomer I do not know if it’s better or worse to think that she fully knows what she did was wrong and just trying to play defense for their relationship, or she’s just fully delusional and believes that she’s in the right

[@clairemitchell535]

Vili looks like he's about to burst into tears at any moment throughout the entire interview. I want to hug him.

[@nloera]

She is insane and delusional!!! I can’t believe she doesn’t see how wrong it was to fall in love with a 13 year old.

[@brendaandrandyking4126]

Well throughout history men marriwd girls as low as age 12

[@MsJackster88]

@@brendaandrandyking4126... and that was disgustingly wrong also!

[@enbusquedadeperlita3133]

Well, her father did the same thing. So if dysfunction was normalized or hushed, she'd grow to think it's ok. She loved and adored her father. Her family was a little off as well. Religious backed nut jobs or hyper parent control can make for walking/talking contradictory living.

[@ladimu1]

She knows exactly what she did. However, she decided that she is not a victimizer.

[@lucasbezerracruz9409]

she knows , it's very clear on the way she talks/answers that she is keeping things out of the interview because she knows how wrong it is

[@jordanlever7857]

This interview clearly shows that Mary was mentally ill. The adults in Villi’s life failed to protect him.

[@TheFirefly71]

💯 the adults in Vile’s life failed to protect hm!!!

[@jamiealfenso737]

She's a pdf ile.

[@GoodFella-xw8yx]

She was one of the first people to get diagnosed with BPD

[@annalisacandaso-robertson9179]

​@@GoodFella-xw8yxSERIOUSLY??!! I didn't know that. That's actually a very interesting facet, if true, considering what I know of BPD. It actually would make a lot of sense how she allowed herself to go there in the first place.

[@liveyourlifefree]

​@@annalisacandaso-robertson9179 Would make a lot of sense? Enlighten me please, how does this make sense

[@jacquia.2606]

The interviewer did such a great job; kept this deluded narcissist onside enough to keep her in the interview even though disgust was all over his face. A job well done!

[@lovelyletter7460]

Even vili looked utterly bored with her.

[@mrod87]

The interviewer is repulsed by her. 😂😂😂 and i think she’s very uncomfortable by his disgust, which is why she’s doing the mental gymnastics to rephrase bc she knows she sounds nuts.

[@SincereWithit9903]

The only way this interview could’ve been better and he would have NAILED her deception, is if he asked “why did you tell the police he was 18, when you guys got caught, if you didn’t know the law?”

[@WonLotto100M]

@@SincereWithit9903and also does she think if her kids 34 year old teacher had sex with her 13 year old daughter. Well she says it’s wrong if the adult is the male. Delusional. She died from heart break 💔 I bet when villi told her he was moving on. 😊

[@PrecillaBanuelos]

@@SincereWithit9903oooooooooh. That woulda been a good one except for the interviewer probably knew that woulda pushed her over the edge and she wouldn’t want to continue the interview maybe

[@Sennario]

You can tell how sorry the interviewers feels for him and how disgusted he is with her. I hope Villi knows that absolutely no one blames him, he was a child.

[@erinr6311]

“It is what it is” ~ Vili I feel as a grown man, Vili has absolutely pieced together how he ended up in his situation with Mary. And I sense pain & regret. From him, none from her!

[@Poochiepoochie54321]

It is heartbreaking when Villy says "not to play the victim" when clearly he is the victim.

[@motleymama6587]

Spot on comment

[@amysmiles9751]

​@Poochiepoochie54321 He has accepted more responsibility for what she did than she had. She learned nothing by being in jail.

[@gabe1900]

Vili's demeanor in this interview shows us he knew, even then, that this relationship was shameful. And Mary's demeanor shows us that she thought this was going to be a fun, carefree interview void of hard questions. Because she, even then, still didn't think what she'd done was wrong.

[@barbaraperry6955]

Mary seems to be delusional......and very childlike.......remember, Vili has to go home and be with his wife, Mary...so he must be very careful so as not to inflame Mary,......Vili is very patient and does care for her...he was so young......they did divorce...when Mart was dying of cancer...Vili returned to her and took care of her until death..... I have admiration for him.....he was a gentleman ....he behaved very respectfully

[@barbaraperry6955]

Only in Islam is marriage condoned between old men and children ( that I'm aware of)

[@barbaraperry6955]

Bizarre, Mary was married with at least 2 children at the time she began a relationship with Vili ....so she deserted her first husband and children...,..that's a problem...it seems she has no remorse for having left her entire family..... horrible for her kids

[@frankiekohl1593]

​@@barbaraperry6955 Let's not forget ther body made the cancer because she did something very very bad and never made peace with it.

[@barbarahansen5353]

@@barbaraperry6955Some polygamous cultures as well.

[@bta4507]

I think this should be an educational video on how manipulation works: she never answers any questions directly without going into an absurd word salad, blameshifts by making him responsible for what happened, never admits that she is wrong (avoids responsibility completely), doesn't think the law applies to her, diverts from the questions by bringing the focus onto something else (like when she went on and on about how 13-year-olds have sex without ever answering the interviewers question about whether it is right for 13-year-olds to have sex with someone who is 34). Yeah, she may not be a sex offender in the sense that she went looking out there to abuse a child - but for sure a raging narcissist. Even if you felt something for a 13-year-old...nowhere in your right mind being in your 30s would you ever allow this to happen. I feel very sorry for Vili. He's been brainwashed all his life believing "it just happened".

[@barelyreal1]

Except she was, in fact, 100% a sex offender.

[@shanaebanks4412]

I could not agree more! It’s beyond sad.

[@gypsywoman9140]

​@@barelyreal1I think what they meant is MKL wasn't going after multiple children/teens; she was obsessively focused on Villi. It's not any better, Villi was very much a victim who was robbed of his teens/20s as well as his anonymity. This will follow him and their daughters for the rest of their lives. Still, MKL wasn't your typical child predator. She clearly had some severe and potentially undiagnosed mental illnesses that played a massive role in her very wrong obsession with Villi. I don't believe she would have gone there with another teenager. I'm not defending her, by any means, what she did was extremely wrong and hurt many people beyond Villi. I just wonder if she'd received proper diagnosis and help in her own teens or twenties, would that Good Mom part of the brain have kicked in and been like "I'm flattered that you find me attractive, but you're young enough to be friends with my children. This is NOT gonna happen!"

[@shanaebanks4412]

@@barelyreal1 you’re replying to the wrong comment. Thank you. I never responded to you. Please reply to GypsyWoman9140.

[@barelyreal1]

@@gypsywoman9140 yeah, I agree with what you said, but she is by definition, a sex offender. "Yeah, she isn't a sex offender perhaps" is incorrect, she most definitely was that, and I believe it should not be diminished bc she didn't "pursue other children" or by speculation about what could have happened inside her brain.

[@dbsh855b]

"13 year olds aren't having s3x with 34 year olds" love this interviewer

[@jewel7954]

“I’m not trying to play the victim here.” VILI U WERE THE LITERAL VICTIM 😢

[@avamasquerade]

Predators and abusers often accuse their victims of "playing the victim" (as if that's the absolute worst thing a person could do) whenever their victim expresses any type of hurt or has a trauma response to being preyed upon and hurt.

[@NaeNae1996_]

First time I’ve ever said that after someone said they weren’t trying to play the victim “BRO YOU ARE THE VICTIM” wth!!! 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@suyasuman]

Her answer to the question at 46:58 is WILD. She's a rapist and a child abuser, and the fact that they allowed her back into his life after she was sent to prison is wild. Absolutely disgusting.

[@ecalose6785]

Notice he doesn’t say he’s still in love and then says sometimes people make marriages work for other reasons, and she KNOWS it’s a friendship and not a love marriage plus he says he could never be interested in a 13 yr old. He tells Matt in another interview he stayed for the kids.

[@dmam58]

Exactly!

[@ingriszac7343]

She had his kids. He felt obligated. He did what he thought would be best for the children.

[@Broken_Cracka]

There was a whole thing about that back then. They had 2 children together. He was already over 18. His mother was working and had been taking care of the babies while Mary was in jail. He said he wanted to coparent. I remember a lot of it but I think the thing was, that if he were not already an adult and they did not have 2 children together, it would’ve been different. Mary was diabolical and made sure she brought that child away from his home & she got pregnant after the court let her out early. If that were today, she would’ve been charged with kidnapping.

[@AnnMarieStorey]

This is sad because she is clearly not all there.

[@jennadominguez4786]

I’ve never in my life watched something worse in my whole life! She said 13 yr olds are not children!!!!!!!! The most disgusting thing I’ve ever seen. So sad. I hope he’s happy and free now

[@thenylahmommyshow3010]

She passed away from colon cancer and he had another child with someone else allegedly he’s happy from what I just read up on someone’s comment….

[@celinepa8246]

If a 13 yo is a "child" then what's a "teenager"?

[@michellealston1723]

@@celinepa8246 Anyone under 18 is a child. 0-1 baby, 2-4 toddler, 5-12 kid, 13-17 teenagers still a child. 18-19 is the "teenagers" she SHOULD be referring to. 17- is a child. She is wrong 13 is a child. no way around it.

[@celinepa8246]

@@michellealston1723 Ok noted. It`s different in my language/culture. We wouldn`t refer to a 15 yo as a child. 13 maybe, 15 absolutely not. That doesn`t mean it is legal for an adult (from 18) to groom a teenager aged 14. Different terminology, same laws.

[@allset9284]

She had to say that; pretend to stick with her fake belief to save face after she realized what a travesty she created for all her children both Villi's and the children she had with her first husband - can you imagine the hell those children went through when the mom they thought they knew was having sex in their livingroom with a classmate and later caught by police, not once but twice doing it in car. I hate even posting on this because what I say, what we all say will be around for ever via the internet and the children will never be able to escape this.

[@Bee-qo2en]

Her own son was near enough the same age as Vili… as a mother herself would she want her own son in a ‘relationship’ with his 34 year old teacher??! 😮

[@classkidzheroes]

Yeah. She has a child round the same Vili. Which is weird and disgusting that she’s in relationship, at the same age as her kids or first child. I can’t imagine what her kids must be feeling from her first marriage, their mother in relationship with someone else who pretty much the same age one of her kids.

[@kat-uo7fy]

She is horrific. Hearing her ramble to muddy the questions is so infuriating. My blood boils for every child who has endured this kind of abuse.

[@gabriellaquinn2452]

Agreed!

[@chiendinh-je2xi]

I thought she die of cancer?

[@tomikotomochan8430]

well, where we're now....long time a go the two men can't get married or man feels like a woman or the other way....... just wonder what people think now.....

[@kat-uo7fy]

@@tomikotomochan8430 comparing pedophilia and child sexual abuse to homosexuality is... *shakes head*

[@msgqueen2821]

​@@tomikotomochan8430the fact that society is generally less homophobic and transphobic has nothing to do with the sexual abuse of children.

[@cityandgirl]

I feel so bad for this man. Not only did she steal his youth, but she was also clearly very abusive and tried to constantly monitor what he said and how he acted. We can see it in this interview alone, so imagine how it was behind the scenes. And she truly doesn't think she did anything wrong and that he was the one her pursued her AT 13 YEARS OLD. A 13 year old can't consent to an adult relationship, lady. What a narcissist. I hope Vili and the kids are doing well these days.

[@randyholloway920]

I appreciate why you don’t understand this situation. However, Villi is Samoan. If you study and learn about Samoan culture, you’d see that age differences like this are more common and people do marry at earlier ages.

[@cityandgirl]

But a 13 year old with a mid-thirty year old? It's just morally wrong. A 13 year old is a child. @@randyholloway920

[@msgqueen2821]

​@randyholloway920 You can't be serious. His ethnicity is irrelevant. The commonness of similar age gap relationships is irrelevant. It's still incredibly messed up. The fact that he's Samoan does not change the fact that he was a CHILD. Barely a teenager. His brain had 12 YEARS of development left. He could not possibly have truly consented to sex, let alone becoming a father, at that age. Bffr.

[@zbornak00]

10:55 yikes what is the matter with her 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@maqui8667]

Two different subjects. People getting married very young vs an adult having sexual relations with a child.

[@annettecahalan4268]

The person who did this interview had some guts. He went there until he got his answer.

[@ambiibaby1]

it is so devastating to see him unpack this in front of our eyes

[@iamlove113]

43:15 - 43:51 Villy 43:50 - 44:22 Mary 45:23 - 45:33 interviewer This is the whole interview summarized

[@serenaDM]

I am flabbergasted at this interview. This woman was abhorrent. Her justifications and excuses were sickening. She clearly brainwashed that poor guy, and he finally woke up in his mid-30s. I think the fact she lost her original family, did 7 years in jail and had his two children, and couldnt raise them in their early years guilt tripped him into staying all those years. This was combined with the fact he was the product of an absent father who married 5 times and had 18 kids which i think made him determined to stay for his daughter's sake. The fact after their separation he went back to nurse her on her death bed shows how dutiful this guy was at his own expense. Im glad he had another child in 2022 and hopefully has a shot at a healthy relationship.

[@Junitunes]

her perverted ways made him a father at 13.... then again at 15. its just insane

[@lilyleonfortier7614]

She passed from cancer in 2020. He did an interview after. He did love her believe it or not. She groomed him, and he grew to actually love her.

[@SuzyQ919]

@@lilyleonfortier7614 He didn’t love her, as you said he was groomed. He doesn’t know any better or the difference. She’s all he’s ever known since he was 12. Many groomed people love their abusers. If she was a man, you would be disgusted.

[@kkittycatkat1990]

​@@SuzyQ919🎯

[@IcyBread-50]

When Villi said he never thought about himself, he only thought about her and how she was feeling. I can’t. That is so sad.

[@golnaz.shoush]

Exactly 😢 it was so sad ….

[@jamiealfenso737]

He nursed her in her dying years. She manipulated the f out of him to that extent... Fd

[@LegacyOfKane]

Years of grooming 😢

[@littlemercy83]

I’m a mother to a 14 yo and this is completely unacceptable. My heart goes out to him, he didn’t know what he was going through she totally took advantage of him, his family and took control Of the situation to her advantage. This interview and the way she treats him is upsetting. She takes 0 accountability for her actions. Everyone failed to keep him safe.

[@graceupongrace2639]

Agreed! There should be a lot more shame surrounding romantic/physical interest in kids, and there should be much harsher punishment for acting on it.

[@TheresaSchleigh]

I’m

[@Threeleebird]

I think that if one day I am a mother and this happens to my children, I would live with a bitterness and helplessness that would haunt me until the end of my days. It would always be something that infuriated me.

[@ravenemery8443]

She died in 2022 or 2021

[@lovelybones8179]

I have a 12 and 14 year old. If I was Villis mother, Miss Mary wouldn't have survived to give birth to their children. I'm sorry, its harsh but I don't think I would be able to control myself and seeing her would literally cause a mental break. my children couldn't even comprehend a relationship right now, they are so innocent and to take that away from a child is literally a crime against humanity.

[@Mother_goosey]

The look in his eyes says it all “how did i get here and how can i leave” absolutely disgusting.

[@hmar6103]

What the hell is she talking about??

[@jamiealfenso737]

Definitely quite a few screws loose.

[@kagisodimakatso3090]

I'm also asking myself what is she saying about the laws from 20 years ago and now? 😮😮

[@Walker733]

I'm wondering the same. It's like she's throwing random words together.

[@westonmonroe4729]

Aside from the obvious insanity and manipulation coming out of her mouth, I am infuriated at her incapability to finish a sentence.

[@lala-yn5iy]

😂

[@ahill4642]

It’s maddening. Disrespectful. Immature.

[@SilkyShish]

I agree, but it's "inability" not "incapability". FYI.

[@volfever]

My guess is that she is self medicated. I feel bad for the reporter though.. he's actually trying to do a real report and with her being this way it has to be very frustrating!

[@brandonporter7953]

@@volfeverI THOUGHT THAT SAME THING OMG. I was thinking she’s on Xanax or some other Benzo. Just bc she can’t keep attention to the question she in answering for more than a. Sentence or 2 and goes down like 3 different rabbit wholes in 2 minutes trying to answer one question without ever answering it

[@Leilani_Michelle]

Nothing but empathy for him. He seems so mature , well spoken and a good dad. This predator never deserved someone like this in her life. She stole his entire childhood and she should have spent the rest of her days behind bars.

[@Moonbunny55]

Dying at 58 of colon cancer sounds worse than life behind bars. It’s like she received a death sentence doesn’t it?

[@Jiggieart]

And to think he had gotten into an art school. What would his future have been like.

[@Mariahmusicful]

It's so strange because on one hand he seems like a mature good guy, but on the other hand there's something so innocent and child like in him. From a psychological standpoint it seems like he just stopped at the mental state of a 12 year old abused boy who on the surface seems mature because of the circumstances of his life. I feel for him and hope all the best for him ❤

[@theresalennon9940]

Exactly 💯💯💯

[@justiceBustamante]

I think for some reason those children made him feel like he was stuck with her if they did not have those children I seriously doubt if he would ever have contacted her again

[@nathalygarcia5462]

When she says she’ll live to 100 but dies at 58 💀😂

[@justiceBustamante]

Well she died looking like she was 100 so I guess she kind of was correct😅😂😂😂

[@Jazzybaby2000]

Karma I guess

[@laburdette]

I don’t think her death is funny

[@kikifelice]

This interview was very telling. You could tell that Vili was uncomfortable with her, and probably regretted the entire "relationship." She was a sick, delusional predator.

[@mrsx7944]

She is a predator. And he's STILL trapped w her.

[@kikifelice]

@@mrsx7944 She passed in 2020, so hopefully, he's able to heal.

[@mrsx7944]

@@kikifelice hopefully. . .

[@erikaandrews4648]

I believe they were separated when she died.

[@Yes_Anastasia]

You can also tell that he is done with her shenanigans. She talks incessantly about nothing. She simply likes the attention being on her. I like how the interviewer firmly steered her back to the original question of “Mary, what got you into teaching?”

[@stephanieperez1071]

Is it just me or she felt so proud of the fact that 8 year old Vili was trying to look under her skirt. None could answer the question about being inlove. If she never found it wrong why hide it. He looks so ashamed. I wish he would write a book.

[@tabkaliO]

She was proud and talking about like it was the beginning of their “relationship.” I wish he would write a book but have a feeling he won’t to protect the memory of her for his daughters. It must be so hard for him walking that tightrope.

[@greatestever9086]

I noticed that too! It’s like she loved hearing that or that she was pretty she definitely needed the attention and sexual connotations ect very scary

[@Abby-00]

@@tabkaliOI think they wrote one together when she was in jail about forbidden love but wasn’t printed in English (French if my memory serves). But ya ild love him to open up now.

[@avamasquerade]

She had a dupers delight grin plastered across her whole face for nearly this entire interview, like she was bragging.

[@cocoanino]

I think she loves it because it backs up her justification that her pursued her. The entire interview she tries to portray herself as powerless to his advances. This little insight helped her say, “see! He wanted me for years.”

[@Lorin_renee]

Watching this child abuser try to justify her actions is so disgusting, it makes me angry. It makes me sad for her husband and all her children.

[@stefanibaez9578]

😭😭😭 sad for her *victims

[@summerdrye4030]

Maybe it’s a good thing she passed in 2020

[@BebeDaull]

I'll be honest. These stories don't usually affect me like this one, because the victim usually gets away from the abuser. Man, my heart hurts bad for this guy. She stole his youth and much of his life from him.

[@randyholloway920]

He’s not a victim in the traditional sense of the word. Nuance matters. They stayed together until she passed away. Their two girls are extremely well adjusted. Mary Kay’s first husband, like her father, was controlling and abusive.

[@mrlh.8455]

@@BebeDaullvery true. she turned him into a father at age FOURTEEN, like what in the hell??? makes my blood boil further that she thinks their relationship’s a wholesome romantic story. straight up bullsht.

[@Dabich48]

“It was not a teacher student relationship” that word salad she dove 🕊️ not about summer school and continuing education was mind blowing. He was a 12 year old student and you were a 34 year old teacher MARY KAY!

[@joannaglows5399]

The way she deflects and starts getting emotional shows us exactly what she thinks. She knows she was in the wrong and shouldn’t have taken advantage of a CHILD. She KNOWS.

[@dreamsister6339]

He was a child he was a kid

[@palopinto4065]

I think she is a psychopath and psychopaths don't think in right or wrong. What she does know is how society views what she did and she felt the sting from that. She doesn't seem to regret her actions.

[@AlexaDennaoui]

I don't believe she was crying because she felt guilt or shame or because she knew it was wrong - I believe she only started putting on the waterworks because she is used to manipulating people, particularly Villi all his life - and crying is probably what usually works for her to get people to feel sorry for her.

[@lily824]

And she kept backing up her sexual relationship with this fact that millions of thirteen year olds are sexually active. Where is she getting these numbers 🤮!?

[@Whoishere2333]

She’s a predator. He was a child, she was in her thirties.

[@sichaoxian]

He said himself she was not..

[@kendarius123458]

@@sichaoxianwell she is by definition a predator sneako

[@Iheartdanielcaesar]

@@sichaoxianyou can tell this man was being held hostage 💀

[@K8-M]

How was this woman ever in a teaching position at all? She can’t articulate anything, let alone answer a simple question. The whole thing is gross. He was groomed and the whole world sees it. It’s not ok.

[@cocoanino]

Agree - but it’s also weird to watch her older interviews. She speaks VERY differently in this one. Like her cognition had started to decline, or even like she’d become an alcoholic.

[@WonLotto100M]

Was she battling brain 🧠 cancer or something?

[@cw2256]

She was clearly unhinged. She talked in circles and made no sense at all.

[@jessi2772]

She had already been diagnosed with colon cancer and it spread to her brain. That's why she sounds like this and is talking in circles

[@kimwells7245]

No, she wasn't@@WonLotto100M

[@laurenschlun8997]

What happened in her childhood, that she completely dissociated when he asked about her childhood. She just started rambling and completely forgot what he asked her...

[@literallyanangel6071]

If I remember correctly her father was well known, I think he had a company.. And then it came out he had a double life and another family. So it's ironical that after Vill said his father had 5 wife's she jokes about her father marrying just one, and then proceeds to dissociate from the question and just talks about her mother and all of a sudden Christianity

[@katherineee04]

I read an article that states he was a politician, and news broke that he had 2 children outside of his marriage with a former student.

[@katherineee04]

"In July 1982, it was revealed that the ultraconservative politician, who was also also a political science professor at Santa Ana College, was caught in an affair with former student Carla Stuckle, with whom he fathered two children."

[@hannahmaria6887]

The way he so rarely looks towards the camera/reporter, he looks like he’s in a complete state of disassociation. There is just a look in his eyes, I can’t describe it, but he looks completely closed off. When he describes the abuse at 13, he uses distancing language “it happened”, and there’s a flinch when you see him reminiscing. This is not a happy memory for him, there’s no “excitement” or “undying mature love” like she describes. The way she says a thousand words but you can understand everything about their relationship in a few short second’s and the body language. I hope he’s doing better nowadays and is able to heal from her evil actions, I can’t imagine how conflicted and confused he must feel.

[@LorenaMartinez-gs4fe]

I feel uneasy and uncomfortable listening to her making such dumb excuses after all these years. She didn’t see herself as a predator and she insisted that 13 yr old boys/girls are not children , I’m like whaaaat?????? She is in denial , I mean sad! I think he was really in denial too and didn’t fully comprehend that he is the victim ! She doesn’t want to admit that she was a pedofile 😐, she said he wasn’t a child. Then wtf are they? So in her mind is ok because 13 yr olds have sex …. How does it make sense???? Jesus lord! She’s full of it full of it.

[@AlexaDennaoui]

I so wanna see the body language panel guys on KZbin break down this interview and both of these people's body language in it! I guarantee they would point out everything you have as well!!!

[@HighClassWhiteTrashCharlee]

He is not hiding his resentment towards her…

[@emmarose9466]

It's all over his face

[@Drealucinda]

@@emmarose9466he ended up filing for separation

[@justiceBustamante]

@@HighClassWhiteTrashCharlee and she's not hiding her horrible aging LOL she looks like she's 65

[@mylover4796]

​@@justiceBustamanteshe was already sick.

[@justiceBustamante]

@@mylover4796 I guess that could make it worse but she still looks way older than she should at that age

[@rileymannfeld8741]

The way she runs around EVERY answer to EVERY question….holy smokes. I can’t believe all these years later there is zero accountability or honesty that what she did to him was wrong.

[@msdemeanour]

Typical toxic narcissist. No shame or empathy Zero accountability 🙄

[@jhughes5285]

She grew up in and is the product of her families toxic environment. RIP MaryKay. 🙏 🙏 😢 😢

[@pppppppp4024]

@@jhughes5285 Having a bad childhood does not remove the fact that she sexually abused a child. If damaged people refuse to face their trauma but use it to excuse their abuse of others the cycle will never end.

[@kellym4747]

It was interesting how hard she tried to not admit that this shouldn’t happen between two people the ages they were, then she finally did say that, but then added - except for us! Saying because of “what we know,” we know what we had that makes it different. But she or they were not going to share that with anybody? Probably because people still wouldn’t understand what she’s claiming.

[@bettywith2girls]

@@kellym4747 I get it b-u-t now that they have been married for 12+ years with 2 children at the time of this interview and been thru all they have legally...OF COURSE, IMHO, they are going to justify their relationship. The more stuff you have to go thru in life for something, the more you're going to justify it...because they can't go back in time and change things and are not going to admit that all of this was a mistake...ever. Should she have pursued him and had his children...of course not. But as far as THEIR marriage, it is what it is now at the time of this interview. Why break up their marriage when there are now children involved and it seems to be working? For everybody else, obviously, the lesson is learned to n-o-t do this. Yeah, she does a lot of justifying...I get ya.

[@TheErinV]

Look at her body language, her dominance of the conversation and narrative, her gaslighting, continuing to stare him down. He looks like a prisoner. This is so sad.

[@Simoneslegs]

Her saying she was pursued, she never pursued anything, and that she didn’t ever “think about it” is such bs and trying so hard to make it seem like she was seduced by him and that it’s not her fault.

[@cheesyDELISH48]

And making it seem like she wasn't grooming him from the moment he was in her 6th grade class. He was sleeping over at her house under the guise that he was hanging out with her children one whom was the same age as Vili. She planted the seed early on and it just so happened that Vili did have an innocent crush on her. She used that to her advantage. Vili's mom was ok with him being with MK all the time cause she thought it was an innocent mentor/mente relationship

[@kavaniawilson860]

@@cheesyDELISH48well she was also his second grade teacher .

[@iximusic]

Yeah I found it disturbing to watch her insinuate that she was a VICTIM of his pursuit. A powerless child...

[@shawn1717]

I’ve never seen anyone ask her if it would be ok with her for her daughters to be treated the way she treated him.

[@miraputica1510]

She’s so sick and delusional and unable to take accountability, I would imagine she would spin it with some sort of word soup that ultimately justifies her own actions.

[@Jiggieart]

She would have said it was a different situation.

[@Zwantceeto]

I hope her daughters are safe. Given how sick and delusional she is, one would have hoped that they would have protected them for her.

[@shirleysweet-25v]

In 2020 Mary Kay passed away due to cancer and now, I hope Vili and their children can move forward into some sense of normalcy. Based on this interview,Mary Kay seems out of sorts mentally, while I am not surprised, I do want to express empathy and kindness to Vili and their girls.

[@tonyahanks7863]

That was her karma for what she did to this whole family

[@Plasmamarino]

What she went through

[@jaynesager3049]

Dr. Oz had an interview with Vili after Mary Kay’s passing. They were separated when she got sick, but he stayed with her through to the end. He was there for her last breath.

[@cindibennett7279]

Wow she just won't let him speak at all!!!

[@christophertolmie6572]

Mary: "I'm going to live till 100" Reality: Passes away at 58 from cancer

[@Zwantceeto]

Karma exists.

[@skyegroome223]

She took grooming to a whole new level by keeping him her victim into adulthood. Does anyone else find her makeup terrifying?

[@PrecillaBanuelos]

It’s just weird how the lighting magnifies the wrinkles on half of her face

[@6246Missouri-tw1ss]

Him/her ?? Are you ok?

[@justiceBustamante]

It's terrifying that she is so wrinkled up and looks 30 years older than she actually is and her hairdos and clothing don't help hide any of it.... back then was one thing but you can't help but think someone would feel like they were with their grandmother being with this woman at his age...eeew

[@6246Missouri-tw1ss]

@@justiceBustamante so sweet of you!!

[@justiceBustamante]

@dolphingang3767 she's quite creepy

[@jewel7954]

The kids not fully grasping the fact that their mother is a manipulative monster is really disheartening. But then again, that’s the only mother they knew.

[@cheriebomb158]

I have this with my father. It’s uncomfortable to think about the age/power dynamics that went on there and it’s confusing because it’s hard to face the truth and compare it to the person you used to idolize as a kid. I don’t wish death on him, but there’s going to be something freeing about it when he passes. I won’t have to carry the weight of defending and condemning him anymore.

[@extra_ice_girl]

@@cheriebomb158 My father married someone on her 18th birthday when he was 37 and I was 12. I was in my mid 20s when I realized how terrible it all was. Thankfully she divorced him 5 years after they got married.

[@Sweetdreamz313]

Most defend their parents sadly they’re brainwashed

[@deannamaldonado2506]

It's very irritating trying to follow her rambling word salad. She sounds demented. It's hard to believe she was a teacher. He doesn't say much. She doesn't give him a chance. He looks uncomfortable. He's probably wondering what he ever saw in her.

[@KatrinaDancer]

Yes!!! She has never sounded right in the head. Demented is a good description! 😬

[@emilyeld]

You nailed it with this comment

[@jennivance5789]

I only made it halfway through because of the rambling, not making sense. I also thought too...this was a teacher? I would have been asked to be transferred to another class if I had to listen to her drone on for 45 mins every day.

[@cgxoxo1]

It must be a real mindfuck to begin a “relationship” like that when you’re literally 12 years old and your brain is barely developed only to realize years later as an adult how wrong it was. Hope he’s in some form of therapy now while she rots in hell

[@jendee1260]

agreed!

[@wynonna9790]

She could be a politician with these answers omg

[@amybess]

Her dad was one. Btw she died in 2020.

[@Zeroshiki]

She is so gross. Avoiding calling him a little boy with her whole soul, which is exactly what he was when she met him in 2nd grade and started a _"relationship"_ with him when he was 12. And acting like preying on children was only against the law for men, which was never the case, so she _"never could've known it was wrong"_ to justify her awful choices. I'm just glad to see that he's finally free of this disgusting woman and that he left her before she died.

[@jessicablank6470]

Kudos to the interviewer for not letting Mary evade answers or play dumb. It took me a little while to figure out whether she is dotty or evasive...definitely evasive and self-centered.

[@jessebos5413]

She did evade his questions, by obfuscation! 😮

[@MrsDannunzio]

Her father married one time but had TWO separate families ar the SAME TIME. Interesting how she skips over that part and instead seems to make fun of the five wives of Villy's father.

[@loganstroganoff1284]

Another interesting fact is that her fathers second family was with a student of his at the junior college where he was a teacher.

[@amybess]

I was thinking this too

[@Mariana200_g]

Waw this is soo sickening, how did u find out that information?

[@kimberlybimberly777]

​@@loganstroganoff1284 sources??

[@pinkykwok3590]

Wikipedia

[@stephanylaroc7749]

Delusions of grandeur, gaslighting, rambling(word salad), neglecting accountabilty = Narcissism shes dead and gone now so Vili has been set free

[@destinybecker3293]

She takes advantage of the fact that he wants to protect his children and provide them with the two parent household that he never had, as well as trying to show respect to her feelings because he knows his children will see this interview. This interview is a great example of narcissistic abuse and gaslighting. She tries to get him to agree with her over and over again to certain questions and he tries to respectfully and politely disagree with her and she just keeps repeating herself until he relents, while looking at her like she is bat crap crazy....and she is. I agree with another comment if how was she never institutiinalized? Also half of her answers are jumbled, she rambles and makes absolutely no sense.

[@thinktank4768]

Like when she said to him, “Who was the boss?” 🥺 That was insane. He was a child, and she was an adult, so SHE should have been the boss and not gotten involved in a sexual relationship with a child. Thirteen year olds usually don’t like me, because as a teacher, they are my students, and I am their boss.

[@Jules2439.5]

She tried to make him look so bad and guilty when he admitted to looking up girls’ skirts in the closet, as if he was the only culpable one and that proves his seduction over her. It’s wild how tactical she is. I hope he’s doing ok.

[@solca9535]

In the other hand the “nonsense “ answers have one thing in common: naturalizing her actions and im sure manipulating the real story of how they started.

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

@@Jules2439.5 She didn’t try to make him look bad or guilty. She was just recalling something he had said to her. He said that is what happened - that he was hoping to look up her skirt. Way to project your thoughts on it.

[@tabkaliO]

I think that’s the only reason he married her _ to make sure his kids had a two parent home. He wanted to provide his kids with what he didn’t have. And as soon as the kids were gone , he filed for the separation. And justifying her actions because sole children are incarcerated for life for some crimes was cringe. The US is one of a handful of countries in t,he world that incarcerates minors for life. And boys need to protected from predators just like girls are.

[@anniep855]

Mary seemed to like the thought of the 3 8 year-old boys flirting with her. Sick.

[@jamiealfenso737]

100%. Freak.

[@hookasmokincaterpiller]

This interview absolute shows just how freaking crazy she was.

[@caseykae4697]

I also want to add when I was like 15 I pursued my teacher. Made him cupcakes etc and hit on him 24/7. I appreciate him for not acting on it. There were times I think he thought about it. But I respect him for never doing anything about it.

[@machinegunkellykapoor]

It's so disgusting that she was still trying to rationalize her absolutely vile behavior and decisions.

[@mrlh.8455]

It was SO mind-boggling hearing her explaining that 13 year-olds are mature like adults. Stop justifying like woman that is MINOR!!! How were you romantically and sexually attracted to him jesus.

[@imell372]

It’s absolutely insane. She tried to claim she thought it was ok because there were no laws on it yet???? She took 5mins to say she still doesn’t think it was wrong. This reporter is a saint.

[@marianav9655]

44:15 crazy lady: "i would NEVER. i never pursued it, i never thought about it" lady you got pregnant by your child student. that is THE biggest example of thinking about it AND pursuing it 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@thearodriguez8073]

💯

[@JoanneSmith-v8g]

This interviewer needs a pay rise, he juggled the situation with this chaotic woman perfectly

[@Stahpbeingaidiot101]

Stockholm Syndrome Symptoms Affection for or attachment to the abuser. Attempting to help the abuser. Distrust of or anger toward those trying to extract them from the situation. Rationalizing abuse. Perceiving basic dignity as kindness. Feeling powerless.

[@karenlynch5684]

This interview really exposes her refusal to accept responsibility for her actions.

[@kristinacollins8380]

Reading between the lines, he is saying he doesn't regret his daughters and he may do it all over again to have them again, but he regrets the relationship and how it happened. Her answers drive me nuts. I'm glad he is now moved on.

[@irfanfaiza7079]

Please DONT call it an affair! It’s child sexual abuse - period!

[@meganbessenbacher7107]

28:38 ma'am the majority of us WOMEN don't need to be told not to have relationships with CHILDREN!

[@KarenMajesty]

So..... She was a second grade teacher, taught a few of his siblings and became familiar with their family trauma. Met an 8yr old boy and "became friends" with him as a way to groom him at the age of 12. Claims he persued her without any accountability of flirting on her part. Just so HAPPENS to leave a husband and 4 kids to go to prison twice and have a couple of kids with a child.... Am I leaving anything out? This whole interview she tried to stay in control. Not once did he defend her or justify this. He's finally waking up that he was a victim who trauma bonded with a preditor who preyed on a vulnerable child. When asked when it manifested for him, he seemed like he was getting ready to go into detail until he noticed her staring hard core at him and said "I don't want to talk about it".... And for her to say she loves him even more now? It's probably because she's had so much control over him for so long. I'm glad he finally got away from her. You can tell he only stayed in this situation for his kids. And if it weren't for them, he probably would have walked away a long time ago.

[@GodsChosenMekAmoR]

THANK YOU! YOu got it perfect.

[@Junitunes]

dont worry its ok cause she was in a college art class with him when he was 12 sooooo...... i cant rememver if its this interview or another one she says this to justify falling for a 12 year old.

[@GodsChosenMekAmoR]

@@Junitunes just crazy. Yes, she actually said too that HE fell for her first, smh. As if she was minding her business and it's his fault.

[@Be_usmc]

She’s really good at believing her lies and he’s really good at being agreeable.

[@graceupongrace2639]

She's has years to practice

[@rofrankie947]

His mouth says one thing, and his face says another he never believed her. When he was a kid, sure, but now he knows it was wrong.

[@avamasquerade]

She's just really good at convincing herself that others will believe her lies and that those who don't will get upset about her predation of a child which will appease her sadistic inclination to abuse people.

[@Beautytrends77]

He said that he didn’t want to talk about it, that speaks volumes and is something someone who was sexually abused would say. People who are abused usually don’t want to talk about it. This woman was clearly crazy and she took advantage of him.

[@ramonabrown6221]

Clearly crazy...

[@ojj3340]

All these armchair psychologists, isn’t that amazing.

[@autumnishotterthansummer]

Doesn't take a psychologist to see that

[@katiemarie4106]

I feel like when Vili starts to think deeply about things he starts to get choked up holding back tears.

[@karenm4054]

She takes NO responsibility. Has no remorse for how she has affected his life. She doesnt live him as a person. She loved her fantasy.

[@crystinamarie1]

Supposedly she was bipolar. Not an excuse but it could be an explanation otherwise I got none.

[@Talishadra19]

​@@crystinamarie1being bipolar doesn't make you a predator

[@crystinamarie1]

@@Talishadra19 obviously, what I'm saying is that her decision making would be distorted I would think.

[@carolmcintosh5066]

​@@crystinamarie1 It might explain the incoherency of speech.

[@carolmcintosh5066]

​@@crystinamarie1"Might" be distorted if she were unmedicated and unstable.

[@miriammondragon1322]

This reporter deserves an award !

[@LorenaMartinez-gs4fe]

He has a lot of patience and trying to rephrase things so they don’t sound as harsh as they should be.

[@wpc456cpw]

I can’t believe he was able to get through interviewing them. I can literally barely watch this.

[@HappiestGirl69]

Omg she looks so damned old! I must be freaking old too! Crazy how time goes by.

[@Danified1]

I'm a teacher. The kindergarten girls sometimes write little love letters to me with a bunch of hearts and pictures of me. You know how many I got down with?? ZERO!!! NEWSFLASH, you can't get "seduced" by children! You can't be "tempted" by something you have no attraction to!

[@NaeNae1996_]

Okay but in all seriousness, you need to tell them to stop. That is still inappropriate and you should explain to them that you are their teacher and the love notes aren’t supposed to be done in school. This was still a little inappropriate and disturbing to read

[@jlandrum80able]

She’s a predator and he’s a victim.

[@user-1979gdk]

No

[@AnitaRecount]

This woman was insane. This interview is so difficult to sit through.

[@ramonabrown6221]

She had severe problems.

[@redwoodrebelgirl3010]

Not insane. Just evil.

[@dreamsister6339]

Extremely

[@eclecticsoul2514]

He just looks so troubled internally, that it shows all over his face

[@Simoneslegs]

She tries to make it out like he was the aggressor and forcing her into it. For instance, when she says he was trying to look up her skirt when he was in 2nd grade. Wtf? Like that matters either way. He was a literal young child.

[@bluize567]

This is uncomfortable to watch. She acts very childish, he seems embaarrassed.