FULL REVIEW - Logitech G PRO Direct Drive Racing Wheel (PC/Xbox/PlayStation)

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0:00 - Intro
0:32 - Important Information
1:20 - Compatibility
3:26 - Pricing
4:50 - Why does Direct Drive Matter?
8:13 - TrueForce Explained
11:21 - Wheel Base Hardware Overview
25:11 - Steering Wheel Hardware Overview
29:16 - First Impressions & Ergonomics
35:17 - Onboard Settings Menu Overview
39:36 - G-HUB Software Overview
46:18 - Initial Driving Tests
53:00 - Extended Testing, Pros, Cons & Conclusions
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[@Epiccarstuff]

These reviews are absolutely unparalleled, not only in Sim Racing, but in any other industry as well. The level of expertise and attention to detail you display without a script is honestly astonishing. Please never stop!

[@boostedmedia]

Thanks so much! I'm not sure Tom would agree after spending 30 hours editing out all my mistakes! 🤣 We do our best though.

[@sonicskills123]

@@boostedmedia “your best”?? my friend I don’t think you’re giving yourself enough credit for how incredible these reviews are. You literally go through every single possible subject that could ever exist on the wheelbase you’re reviewing. So thorough and helpful. You really need to know how ahead of the game you are lol, cheers

[@boostedmedia]

@@sonicskills123 thanks mate :)

[@Smokabis]

@@sonicskills123 Totally agree with you mate. I haven’t come across anyone else that puts out reviews that are so detailed, informative and entertaining at the same time.

[@De-M-oN]

@@Smokabis Ron is pretty good too :)

[@omsantos3484]

After Moza R5 recently, almost out from nowhere suddenly a Logitech DD! No big announcements, no teasers, just deliver! Great job Logitech! It might be too early to see how well it will perform but it's a great way to go! Thrustmaster is now back on the drawing table ...again for sure!!

[@Sideways_Singh]

Thrustmaster wheel is pc only, so its kinda useless.

[@Glenn7719]

You do know, Thrustmaster have got their own DD wheel in the pipeline? Revel in November, probably be getting shipped in time for xmas. Lets wait and see. 👍

[@trybuna002]

Only drawback is cost its 1100 dollars,moza and fanatec are cheaper. BUT I play on xbox so moza is no go and fanatec is not available all the time so that might be a selling point for them

[@CalamityBaird]

There was a teaser

[@nfg_racing7968]

Thats what i seen the video pop up on my notifications iwas like WHAT!!!! WTF A LOGITECH DD WHEEL NOW WAY!!! Complete surprise i haven't heard a word about it and recently ive been look8ng hard a DD wheels i getting ready to buy on if this ends up being good and the peddle are good i may go with it instead of the fanatec csl dd pro but im still really debating on just going with a good wheel a simucube or the fanatec DD2 i know they are both good qnd fanatec makes decent peddles to so

[@ph3tamine]

Wild that Logitech beat TM to market with a DD wheel without ever even saying a word. Nice job Logitech!

[@rubbingisracing6951]

but is it only for playstation and xbox?

[@rasmust8044]

@@rubbingisracing6951 both of them are pc compatibly, if you want a wii or switch weel tho your out of luck

[@AdrenaLukeYT]

It really speaks for itself, doesn't it?

[@AdrenaLukeYT]

@@rasmust8044 who is a serious sim racer on Wii or switch 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@rubbingisracing6951]

@@rasmust8044 the one they would make for a switch would look better I bet,because that is one ugly wheel base,

[@stevep927]

Happy to report the G Pro wheel does line up with the holes in the GT Omega prime cockpit without using the clamp. The tabs on the front of the base line up with the flat end of the standard baseplate as well

[@angryginger791]

I'm impressed. It sounds like they did their homework. 11 Nm is a nice figure to appeal to as many drivers as possible. I expected them to aim at the entry level market with something in the 5-7 Nm range, but this is actually smarter, IMO. If they plan to expand the ecosystem with more rims and accessories, then at 11 Nm this may be the last wheelbase someone buys. It will be enough torque to boost subtle sensations while not clipping the top end when set up properly. And if you like it lighter, you are not getting so much extra headroom that it feels like a waste. I wouldn't give up my 20 Nm OSW SC1 for one of these, but I wish I had these options 5 years ago when I built my rig.

[@JAKLAR79]

Not sure the 3Nm difference is worth the price. CSL DD with boost pack has way more boost than I need and I bench about 110kg.

[@IsonDaya]

@@JAKLAR79 I haven't had any issues with mine, but people who have issues with their Fanatec products have expressed a lot of frustration in getting help. Logitech definitely has more experience on that front, and may be worth a little markup.

[@patricklai2075]

@@IsonDaya yea I will go for Logitech just for the better support

[@peterotremba8980]

I have a fanatic dd2 with 25 nm and I don’t really use more that 33% feedback. Seems like Logitech has pulled it off!

[@JoeKeaveney]

They need to bring down the price straightaway - I just won't consider it alongside the CSL DD and the MOZA. If that's what they need to charge to make a profit, then they've missed the mark and will be left with lots of stock on the shelves

[@Gizfreek]

Just compare the eco systems, you can get about every wheel you'd ever need from Fanatec with a CSL DD and the CSL Elite V2 pedals for less, with optional stick shifter and more. I think for the moment, Logitech can only win with a reduced price.

[@BigBeuhSheesh]

Spot on. Been driving a G920 for a few years and I got really excited when I saw an article about this model releasing but at this price point I can't see any reason to not opt for the tried and true Fanatec offerings.

[@Rmagid]

Its looks more like competition to fanatec dd1 and simagic wheels

[@dangerdonk6670]

I disagree across the board. 1. They are only selling this direct on their site, cutting out resellers in effort to keep cost down (at launch). If you're not aware, resellers mark up the unit but act as channel sales for the manufacturer. Great to get volume out, but the price to the customer is higher. Almost certainly Logitec's plan is to sell direct at launch and as the cost to develop the wheels goes down they'll use resellers to expand volume. This is literally sales 101. 2. Every company has to make a profit or you don't get products.

[@dangerdonk6670]

@@Gizfreek No you can't, neither Fanatec or MOZA can ship products right now lol

[@rodmorgan7041]

Had mine for 3 weeks now and loving it. I use just the 2 pedals with the brake pedal setting as it came out of the box but I use the stiffer accelerator spring. All the settings are so easy to set to how you want them. Presets are very handy when changing from ACC to F1 2020. I have it desk mounted and it has never moved once. The shape of the wheel I find is perfect with a great feel too. I'd like to see if a Formula style wheel comes out later. True force and all the feedback through the wheel is incredible and I have my torque setting at 6 Nm

[@btccfanful]

LOGITECH DD?! When did they announce this, this caught me so off guard! 😂 LETS GO

[@jeticusgaming]

I REALLY appreciate how thorough (while remaining relevant) your review was! Really impressed by what Logitech have managed to pull out of the bag and as someone in the market for a DD setup, am now seriously considering this over the Fanatec DD... Need to find out a bit more info about options for a physical handbreak and shifter, but as a package, I'm finding it difficult to dismiss!

[@Paulo-py4mm]

I never would've thought that logitech would sell a better wheelbase than thrustmaster... Thrustmaster really is a company in decline...

[@weirdomonkey]

In my opinion Logitech were better than Thrustmaster, then they stopped for many years while Thrustmaster released some impressive belt drives. The Logitech we see today isn’t the Logitech I remember.

[@simulationstimulation961]

They have a DD coming next month. Wait.

[@frozezone22]

Thrust master is also releasing a dd wheel as well in November. Will be interesting to see how they compare with the Logitech wheels.

[@faiqwaghid1453]

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[@SDK2006b]

Thrustmaster have a new DD unit coming in November

[@TARMACULA]

Excellent review and top quality production as always Will! I waited until your review dropped before viewing any info on this wheel as I always find your no BS approach refreshing. I'm thoroughly Impressed with Logitechs first dd generation, and think with more competitive pricing and wheel options it well be a successful product.

[@alexanderpisarski1841]

That's a surprise, price wise, CSL DD versus this is what I am most excited about. I do feel like the chassis is huge in comparison though. May not be best for those tighter sim rigs.

[@rodmorgan7041]

The Direct Drive motor on this unit is surely mounted directly to the metal plate on the bottom, so the plastic would only be acting as a shell for the air to flow through past the heatsink and out past the fan. I've heard that units like Fanatec and Thrustmaster do get fairly warm after a while. So in my opinion I think the plastic is a good idea. But, I have to say this because I picked mine up today and can't wait to get it all set-up and running 😃👍🏻. What a great review. Thanks for so much useful info.

[@JatoItaliano]

Although I think it was a little expensive compared to what it could be, it's a Logitech, so there's plenty of compatibility, support and I'm happy to finally see them take their platform a step further.

[@greod1006]

I had a problem with my g923 and a logitech representative contacted me immediately and tried to help. Unfortunately it was a problem with the power supply and I narrowed it down, but he definitely tried helping me as much as he possibly could. I've owned dozens of logitech items throughout the past. Their gaming mice are some of the best imo. Not a terrible company from my eyes

[@thesign6879]

You'll be happy to know they have already raised the price.

[@AdrenaLukeYT]

I really think if the price should be lowered it all, it should be maybe $100 cheaper but anything less than that is where it's unreasonably low then. This is a very high end product.

[@rudy_dstroys1821]

Just wait a year, the price will drop. Ive seen it since the G25

[@SIPEROTH]

@@rudy_dstroys1821 Yeah but those get dropped by shops etc. This is direct sale from Logitech only.

[@snoopy_peanuts_77]

Just got mine and wow! upgraded from a 923 and I'm just hooked on cockpit mode now with my 34" ultrawide l....its incredible and brings new life to any racing game

[@Wip3ou7]

excellent review, thank you in particular for showing the mounting holes and angle of the wheel shaft. 20 degrees is a little steep for me, i usually end up having to angle down my mounting surface by at least 5 degrees because i like to be more parallel with my wheel

[@stevegesner8835]

I bought the G Pro wheel and pedals set after watching Will's excellent review as well as reviews by other members of the community. For the first 4 weeks, it was a stellar piece of kit with F122 and ACC. However things began to go sideways in week 5 with FFB mysteriously falling off to zero on F122. I have exchanged countless emails with Logitech Support and it is clear Logitech doesn't have a handle on the G Hub software. Of course, returns aren't provided after 30 days so I will need to wait out Logitech's developers while they fix G Hub. It would be useful for Will and others to review products after the initial launch and as needed warn potential buyers that the products aren't quite as perfect in the field as they are in controlled reviews. Keep the great reviews coming.

[@Mr450pro]

So, did you have any luck resolving the issue?

[@filipivan5125]

Agree followups would be great but thats the problem with reviewers. They get so many products coming in and testing. Hardly any of them will spend a month using the product. Only real users can provide this because they are not distracted by other products and timelines.

[@Skipperthekitty]

That happens with my current g29 sometimes only on the F1 games

[@scotthiland5521]

Sounds like a reasonable upgrade. I've always liked the logitech wheels overall as I've never had issues or failures with them. Currently sporting a G27 but I would be interested to learn more about the pedals as I think that would have a more significant performance gain in my opinion. Likely will sit and wait to see how these take off before any efforts to upgrade.

[@Zirion123]

At the price of 1300 euros for a full setup u might aswell just save for a fanatec setup tbh

[@gyula6516]

Get a different brand that has been in DD for a while

[@jellowiggler]

WTF, Logitech ships direct drive before TM? What is happening!? Maybe Logitech will actually ship so flight gear that isn't 15-20 years old as well? You can only run Saitek-Madcatz rehashes for so long.

[@notlikethis9932]

Seems like hell froze! :D

[@damyanexssessgeorgiev6]

Yesterday I saw a post in a sim group on Facebook about this, today you bomb dropped this review! Better than my expectations, the 11nm surprise me a lot, I thought it would be less, more like CSL category so around 5-7nm, so that's pretty good! Logitech did surprised us in a good way! I hope they will take more serious steps about shifters and handbrakes as well!

[@ivan823ldd]

Really looking forward to a comparison between this and the Fanatec DD Pro or CSL DD. Thank you guys!

[@robokopp217]

IMO as a DD Pro owner, it appears to be superior still as far as looks and build quality. I would skip this release from logitech and wait for thrustmaster to answer back

[@ivan823ldd]

@@robokopp217 I'm the happy owner of a DD pro as well, so far lots of fun, consider that everything has pros and cons, i really dislike how big this logitech looks, but, and a big but, the difference in power is considerable, the wheel seems to be simply ok, the width of it is also nice, the open wheels of fanatec are very small to my liking, the Mclaren that I own feels a bit cheap, etc. This is precisely what I'm looking for in this comparison, boosted media style.

[@MrMikap74]

Thank's for all your reviews Will, you and Race Beyound Matter got me, not a car or racing enthousiast, into sim racing. After watching the review again I must say the Logitech G Pro start to grow on me. Fanatec can def learn a thing of two from Logitech about engineering. It all looks so well thought-out.

[@Tomatothrower]

More than the product, I just wanted to shout out the quality of your review. So in depth and analytical, this is my first video on your channel and I will definitely come back! Thank you for your insights sir!

[@boostedmedia]

Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for the comment :)

[@stayntune]

I've been eyeing the Fanatec DD Pro since last year, I didn't expect this surprise from Logitech. I'm having a change of heart...

[@angryginger791]

Also, Will, I've been a subscriber since you were just starting out and getting into sim racing. You've come a long way in a few short years, my friend. Your level of knowledge is impressive. Your videos are pro level production and your reviews are excellent, 2nd only to the great Barry Rowland of Sim Racing Garage. Congrats on all of your success! Cheers!

[@Gizfreek]

First of all, great to see a mass market brand like Logitech joining the DD and LC product lines. But the pricing is all but competitive compared to the likes of Fanatec and even Moza with a wide variety of wheel rims available and even add ons like a H pattern shifter. For about 1000€ for the whole set I'd say it's in good company but even then theres an upgrade or sidegrade path missing, no formula rim, only one base with 11Nm. Still hopeful that we'll see more in that space soon.

[@weok-doing-things]

the reason of central clamp working great probably (aside from good engineering and calculations of mockups) is because you have those legs on the sides of wheel base. they looks like the tube frame of a car which hold twisting motion for the body - in the case of the wheel they hold rotational forces of motor and hands, so only central mounting is required. pretty cool

[@lombardy3274]

True Force sounds very similar to adding Road Effects in ACC - adds a little bit of texture through the wheel.

[@DaniMacYo]

Wow cool to see Logitech now with a DD wheel. It's pricey for sure. But Logitech fans will love it. Now we have Fanatec and Logitech with PC and Console support which is a big plus to have more DD wheels available for more than one platform. I'm surprised the Thrustmaster DD coming apparently doesn't support consoles. So that could be an issue for them. The pc market already has amazing DD wheels they should have made it multi platform imo. Also I was not expecting this from Logitech so soon. Honestly thought 23 would be when it was released. I'm impressed.

[@boostedmedia]

Thanks for watching! If you decide you want to pick one of these up, Logitech have just given us a 5% discount code to use via our affilaite link: 5% OFF WITH CODE "BOOSTED" - PURCHASE HERE: NORTH AMERICA: boostedmedia.net/go/purchase-here-logitech-us/ EVERYWHERE ELSE: boostedmedia.net/go/purchase-here-logitech-global/ NOTE: You may need to change your region using the drop-down menu on the top right of the Logitech Website for local pricing & shipping. IMPORTANT NOTE REGARDING COMPATIBILITY. Logitech has informed me what I said regarding cross-compatibility between wheels and bases was incorrect. We did specifically test this ourselves before filming to ensure accuracy, but apparently, what we experienced in our testing and what's meant to happen aren't the same thing. Anyway, as I said in the review, if you put a Playstation Compatible wheel on an Xbox base, it will only work on PC, BUT, if you use an Xbox wheel on a Playstation base, it gives you compatibility across PlayStation, Xbox and PC, exactly the same as is the case with the Fanatec ecosystem. This is because the PlayStation security chip resides in the base, whereas the Xbox security chip resides in the wheel. This of course isn't overly relevant right now, but will become relevant once other wheels are released, so I wanted to clarify this now. Apologies for any confusion caused! I will clarify this further in video form when we publish our console-specific testing videos ASAP.

[@bsmracing6592]

it's too huge for my need :(

[@mattbell1907]

You should pin this comment. It's pretty far down the comment list

[@boostedmedia]

No idea why it wasn’t showing as pinned for you! It’s definitely pinned in my end. Has been since a few hours after the video was published.

[@OfficialMikeJ]

@@boostedmedia What about a shifter ?. is there any news on this yet ?.

[@balkntv]

I have a question. Does the base ffb work without wheel being plugged or is it like Fanatec bases where you need to have one of their wheels or hubs connected? I know it might not be something you tried but it could be a good thing to know for someone who might buy the wheel for modding. Thank You

[@51im]

Been looking at the g923 but watching this has made me think again. One of the best reviews I've seen, of any product. Great job

[@RG-si1qz]

I just bought G923 today. Its amazing for me because I never user any other wheel before. Except my real cars.

[@JSmith73]

Logitech's first *real* new release since my G25 in the 2000s LFS years. Took them long enough, exciting to see!

[@Leo_Moreira84]

This should cost around $750 to $850 dollars for the whole set including the pedals. As of right now in my opinion Simagic is on top of the game followed closely by MOZA.

[@labounti]

I don't see how that would possible seeing the GT7 DD Pro at 8NM and loadcell pedals is $970.

[@samgendler]

Moza isn't console compatible is it? I'm new to sim racing (via being an F1 fan) and decided to get into it by getting a console. That left me buying fanatec to get direct drive, but the price point for 8nm CSL DD, especially if you want compatibility with both xbox and PS, is pretty steep. You need the playstation base and the xbox compatible wheel (or maybe it was the other way around, I can't remember), and they hit you with a $100 premium on the base. I didn't know which console I was going to settle on, so I wanted compatibility with both. The wheels are largely very expensive, and load cell pedals aren't exactly cheap, either. I mostly knew that if I went "entry level" I was surely going to end up upgrading down the road, but I really had no choice about what to get since there was only a single base that met my needs on the market and available (even fanatec's DD1, my only other choice, was backordered). With pedals, F1 2.5x wheel, and base, I was in for significantly more than I'd have spent on logitech (though the apparent quality of the fanatec gear seems much higher). Knowing I was buying something I was either going to sell because I didn't like sim racing enough, or upgrade because I did, I'd have rather bought a cheaper initial system and might easily have considered Logitech's offering (though probably not, just because of past experience with logitech). I can well imagine plenty of others might find themselves in a similar boat. Fanatec is $600 base, $400 wheel, $200-$600 pedals depending on which ones, and then there's extras like the upgraded paddles on the wheel, wheel mount, etc. Seems like Logitech are at least competitively priced.

[@bertram-raven]

$500 for the equipment, $1000 in licensing from Sony and Microsoft.

[@delta_13]

@@samgendler The thing is DD's are not meant at all to be entry level. Imho this shouldn't be compared to a csl dd, this might be the rumoured clubsport dd's rival.

[@benclimo461]

They aren't competing against moza or any other small manufacturer, only fanatec and thrustmaster. They are also competing against the podium line for fanatec and thrustmaster is supposedly meant to be around 15nm which shows that it's also competing in that range. The CSL DD is not something they are competing against directly.

[@driftboiz]

So good to see Logitech bringing more competition to the market. The G27/G29/920 is where a lot of us started and its great to seel them moving with the time. Now if only they could sort out Ghub 😂. Great review as always sir

[@PresidentScrooge]

What Logitech needs to do next is bringing out a G31 that also has a quick release so you can use your wheel and only buy the DD wheelbase. Which I think is likely the plan.

[@raphaelmeillat8527]

Damn... I started with their G25!

[@driftboiz]

@@PresidentScrooge yeah I imagine they will or if they dint I'm sure someone else will but I agree that's a must!

[@driftboiz]

@@raphaelmeillat8527 old school!! I know people that still use the 27. It's amazing how long they last for what they are

[@zephyr2002]

Agreed. Since I spent the last few months not knowing why my force feedback suddenly stopped working on my g29, and needed to use regedit to delete a bunch of Logi junk and install an older version of Ghub. I want to trust this...I really do.

[@huppysimracing]

Awesome review. Great vid. Keep it up, you are really good at this type of content.

[@KNARFNY]

This is awesome. I am so jealous of how easy the steering wheel is attached and removed from the base. It has become a literal chore to remove any steering wheels from my Podium DD2. I am at the point that I don't even swap them much any more because I am afraid the shaft will get damaged. 🤷🏻‍♂

[@maxcalder1010]

I really want to experience the trueforce. I actually think it can help with consistency. When I race karts in real life non visual cues from bumps and textures I feel on the track help me make sure I’m hitting my marks and keeping the car smooth and balanced.

[@snoopy_peanuts_77]

love trueforce....cant race without it now.....feels empty without

[@jonathanehlers6855]

I never expected Logitech to get in the direct drive game but dang it's quite impressive on their first try. Definitely adds competition to the Fanatec CSL DD.

[@narcoti]

In my honest opinion they priced themselves out of competing directly with the CSL DD or DD Pro, you can get both those setups for the price of just the wheel/base of the logitech.

[@crysiscontained4421]

@@narcoti I would actually love to see how it compares to the podium DD v1 which is in its price range (at only 200 more, which if you're dropping a grand should not be a big deal)

[@narcoti]

@@crysiscontained4421 I see your point there, but for 200 more you get 9 more nm. It is most assuredly in the median, but my point of view is Logitech has always been the guys to have the middle of the road affordable units and this was just way out of that ballpark.

[@crysiscontained4421]

@@narcoti I was agreeing with your point and extending the point of all the comparisons made were not an apples to apples comparison. TLDR: comparing this product to the lower-end of the competition isn't fair because of price

[@GearheadOutlaw]

thanks for the reviews as they are so helpful with all the details

[@bareknuckleteam]

Hey Boosted! Awesome review and i am one who will probably keep going with the Logitech stuff. Going from the G923 to this feels great after seing this review. I for one love the Trueforce application in games.

[@firebolt5191]

I think it's nice that they did this but they have to do something about the price. Logitech has always had a soft spot in my heart and any shortcomings were easily excused by saying it's "entry level". I still have my g27 and loved the time I spent with it. (Running the vrs wheel now). That being said, at that price point, they are no longer an entry level option and are playing with the big dogs now. And for $1000 there are many better options out there that aren't giant and plastic looking. Again I think that it is a step in the right direction. But for that price I don't think that 11nm and having a rotation limit is worth it. (I know 1080 is plenty for racing, but when I play truck sim I love cranking mine up to 1800 for the extra realism) I think if they can get the price down to that of fanatec or even moza, they might have a real winner here. But at it's current price, there are too many options in that range that are superior and it seems like they might be pricing themselves out of the market they are targeting

[@mosey4650]

need to wait for it to be avail brick and mortar for price reduction on sale, etc.

[@TimBaoht]

...yeah $799 seems fair.

[@kylerobinson6102]

Sorry for the late reply; just wanted to chime in and say that Thrustmaster are dropping a direct drive in about 60 days as well so we'll have to see how they all stack up.

[@superblitz2274]

What other options exist at this price point?

[@Steve30x]

Thriustmaster won't be happy because their design looking from the front is very similar from what they have shown so far of their direct drive base.

[@CGuitarist929]

I’m completely sold on this now. I was seriously considering the Moza R9 w/ the FSR, but being an owner of a G29 with a few mods (MVH wheel and Truebrake) for a few years now, I’ve been itching for a DD wheel. I’m worried about the longevity and reliability of Moza. I love the plug and play I get with the G29, but it is definitely lacking. I can foresee them going deeper with a new shifter, handbrake, and even a Formula wheel. With Lando the face of this DD campaign, it’s definitely possible!

[@arranmc182]

had to come back here and say ever since watching the video about a year ago I wanted this wheel, last week I finally got one and after using mostly the DFTG & G29 from Logitech its a huge upgrade and I do not regret buying it apart from realising I need a better racing cockpit now I have put a DD wheel on it as I dare not race at the full 11nm for too long as im worried the rig will break so only running at 6.5nm force to be on the safe side.

[@coinsagE46m3]

Got my CSL DD 8nm early this year. Love love love it. I can't really imaging needing more force than that. Props to Logitech for getting into the DD game, but man to plunk down a grand for Logitech wheel system is a tough pill to swallow.

[@filipruml]

The difference between Fanatec and Logitech at this point is that with Fanatec you know there are many wheels, hubs and other accessories that you can get. I assume Logitech will release these eventually as well but for now you'd be buying into their promises. I myself have CSW V2.5 and V3 pedals and I'm quite happy with it but it's good Logitech is stepping up their game.

[@coinsagE46m3]

@@filipruml Agreed. If you're a company coming out with new tech (new to your company that is) the first generation is always going to be expensive. I hope people do decide to buy this product so subsequent generations/variations of Logi's DD system gets cheaper and better at the same time. Competition is a beautiful thing.

[@caliginousmoira8565]

i have a logitech from 20+yrs ago that still works.... that longevity tax is real...

[@adamparker2856]

The clutch paddles usually are set up to release like that so your right hand is free to up shift

[@boostedmedia]

Sure, but most other wheels allow you to swap side if you want to so I thought it was worth pointing out.

[@adamparker2856]

@@boostedmedia legend!

[@LondonMus]

Today I took a hacksaw to my Logitech G290 & chopped off the top section making it more GT3 style. Very glad with the result and is no longer blocking the dash! For now unfortunately I gotta stay cheap and cheerful

[@ColinMcX]

Your left hand has the same line as mine. Not broken in a W-V shape as my right hand. Only seen that on my grandad. Awesome review as always 👍🏻

[@Smokabis]

Well, I didn't see that coming. I'd almost be tempted to give one a try if I wasn't already invested in the Fanatec ecosystem. Nice to see Logitech stepping up their game. Thanks for another great review Will.

[@peadookie]

Curious, what about this appeals to you as a fanatech user?

[@monkey.moments8272]

@@peadookie probably logitech support lmao

[@Smokabis]

​@@peadookie Late reply, I know 😆. I was talking from the point of view of someone who started on a G920 and moved to Fanatec. So if I didn't upgrade from a G920 and therefore didn't experience Fanatec's gear then I would've been tempted to try the new Logitech.

[@aaronf4201]

Great review. I love the quick release of the Logitech. I have a GT DD Pro and do prefer the slimmer design and metal housing. I also love the variety of wheels and pedals for fanatic. I just hope that they upgrade the quick release from the qr1 soon. Plus 8NM has been plenty for me.

[@raphaelmeillat8527]

Same here. I do wonder about what I'm missing with this Trueforce though. The more immersive the better of course. Whatever it is, competition is good. Should help keep Fanatec prices from rising too much!

[@siekoch]

I love your attention to detail. My Likes are coming to you and there is already a subscription to your channel. Great channel, I love people like you, with passion, who also share their knowledge in such a wonderful way. I'm just waiting for my first DD steering wheel, which is this Logitech and I'm starting my real adventure with simracing. See you at the tracks in a few months 🙃

[@HeelToeFTW]

Dude, excellent review! I found it to be very informative in all the important areas. I am curious about one thing though, with the true force, do you get any kind of better tire scrub or front end feel especially in ACC? I've been using the TS-PC Racer for a few years and find that it's difficult to get that feeling.

[@simdawg2932]

excuse me... WHAT

[@sebachile6822]

Same mood WHAT

[@spiritvoidfakeaccount5889]

Exactly what I thought

[@kjeld4288]

Out of nowhere

[@danielpurvis9931]

Literally my exact reaction

[@StatsGam4er]

The price bro

[@that44rdv4rk]

Super glad Logitech is _finally_ on board with DD, but I worry that they overshot the price point enough to hurt sales. This seems like it should be around 1,000 USD for a wheel/pedal/shifter set. Mayyyybe $1,200 edit: that would put it on par with a pretty slick CSL DD setup.

[@gothops154]

The wheel and pedals combined come out to $1,262.48 before tax. I’m about to check it out of my cart. I’d be more into Fanatec if it wasn’t sold out for the last 4 months

[@m.r.2718]

@@gothops154 Yeah, that's the main issue with Fanatic stuff...Availability...I bet they've lost hundreds of thousands of dollars because of stuff not being in stock. There are a lot of people who probably either went for other brands or went for cheaper Fanatic stuff because the wheel(base) they wanted was unavailable.

[@operation4wheelz]

I’ve had my G Pro for a month or so now. It’s really is the perfect option if you need console compatibility. I was supposed how good the trueforce was with ACC on PS5.

[@RJIGGLES]

I bought this wheel because of this review, I've always been a big fan of Logitech and their support has been superb to me. I like their return policy for this item and the warranty, so I pulled the trigger on it as my first personal sim wheel. My buddy will be excited, I'm always borrowing his when he brings it over.

[@toiletducky4961]

What's the return policy?

[@dcu21]

$1,350 for the whole set. Seems like they didn't anticipate the era of cheap direct drive wheels and still priced it circa 2020. And by not selling it in local stores... Definitely another L. That was the appeal of Logitech in the first place, that they're very accessible worldwide I'm sorry but Logitech dropped the ball on this one and I have a bad feeling that Thrustmaster will have the courage now to price their new DD the same way. To overlook the current market so they can please their shareholders

[@sabbiruddin3938]

No responsible person is buying this. It literally costs twice the price of a console

[@michaelboyce3227]

They didn't anticipate it? Sounds, to me, more like they were paying *_zero_* attention to their competition or the sim racing scene for the last year and a half...

[@Boudewijnnnnn]

yeah 1350 is quite a lot for a DD, sure it has 11 nm but who has the muscle to handle that anyway+ With the Fanatac CSL DD ( 5 NM) only costing 340 euros and a whole package like 750 I think it's not in contention for advancing sim racers

[@gwenndolynnmecklenburg6457]

And it's still Logitech,....

[@ditoo]

Said no one

[@trevorwaite6848]

Great review and as a console player its great to have a DD option other than Fanatec.

[@eightymopar]

But....the fanatec is MUCH cheaper and a MUCH better value, not to mention a better all around wheel....

[@trevorwaite6848]

@@saffaboy2007 The club i race with (GBRC) use ACC on PS5

[@trevorwaite6848]

@@eightymopar The Logitech is 1073 GBP inc pedals delivered in UK, that doesn't seem bad for 11nm.

[@eightymopar]

@@trevorwaite6848 and how much is the fanatec?

[@trevorwaite6848]

@@eightymopar for a similar wheel and LC pedals 1400ish plus import tax and delivery that's for the 8nm and a metal QR

[@Chappy1994]

Great review looks like a solid product but i think wrong price point if they included the load cell pedals for that price i think they would be far more competitive

[@budthecyborg4575]

31:09 I do see a slight amount of play in the connection of the wheel base to the platform, which means the quick release really is doing it's job, but you are ever so slightly losing some connection using the clamp instead of bolts.

[@FHatzor]

I guess if you get evicted from your home you can remove all the electronics from the housing and move in.

[@cedric9608]

I would go for the fanatec CSL DD playstation base, cheaper even with the 8nm power pack, and can be used on playstation, PC and Xbox if you use an Xbox rim. Think that Logitech got a bit to high on the price with this new wheel

[@carlad2640]

Interesting to see Thrustmasters DD wheel next month.

[@gph42]

Tremendous. Been waiting for a new wheel from logitech. Have always been a fan.

[@MrNobodylikesyou]

Interesting times! Had no idea this was coming from Logitech .. makes sense for them though! And great video as always! Really setting yourself apart from other creators!

[@ohngo181]

I think Logitech has a nice wheel base here, but that price is killing it out of competition. If Logitech is listening to the feedback, hope they reconsider the price. Wondering if Thrustmaster will finally announce their DD to market.

[@efnetsimracing9131]

The Thrustmaster "reveal" is scheduled for November 17

[@holm511]

Still think Simagic alpha mini is the better buy on PC but this will do well purely from console compatibility. It’s just enough a step up and easier to buy then the CSL DD.

[@SimpleLangSolution]

Now that is how you're supposed to do reviews. Great work.

[@ianknight2053]

Thank you. Now you’ve done it, I was hoping to order a Moza R9 and FSR wheel, now I’m not sure what to do. I like the ability to use the setup on PS5.

[@sonicskills123]

It is such a hit on this wheelbase for it not to be both Xbox and PlayStation compatible at the same time. One of my favorite things about the CSL DD!

[@TheBuffig]

CSL DD isnt PS compatible. Only the GT DD Pro

[@sonicskills123]

@@TheBuffig that’s what I mean lol

[@michaelbracken9585]

Console compatibility works the same as Fanatec. Buy the PlayStation version and attach an xbox wheel for universal compatibility. No separate wheels for purchase just yet but the quick release suggests its coming soon

[@trevorwaite6848]

I have 30+ hrs on mine now and I really like it, I've used G29 and a CSL elite in the past, I only play ACC on PC and PS5, on PC it's awesome! The level of detail is amazing, it's easy to set up both in Ghub and on the wheel itself, updating is simply one click, I run a two pedal set up which is easy to do, I run a stiffer throttle spring and the stiffest brake setting, and find it brilliant! It does feel slightly less detailed on PS5 but is still very good. It all mounted on my rig (Simetik K2) easily and once mounted and in use you don't notice the size. Is it better than a Fanatec DD? I don't know as I've never tried one. All in all I'm really happy with it.

[@MrGrandure]

Ballers

[@carsonschechter141]

On console what software changes can you make with the wheel?

[@oortcloud210]

Great review as always - just one small note to add - the UK pricing is £999 for the base and £349 for the pedals - so same price as US dollars.

[@boostedmedia]

They must have revised it. The pricing we showed in the video was what they supplied us.

[@oortcloud210]

@@boostedmedia Hi - you didn't show a UK price. Nothing wrong in the video. Just letting peeps know. :)

[@pablovi77]

It’s $1,200 USD here, for the base and wheel land $425 USD for the pedals, when they’ll become available.

[@primarchvictus8560]

Very surprised by the price of this to be honest. It does seem good, but with all the issues I have had with g hub and the logitech gaming software with my g920 it would make me hesitant. I was worried I may have missed out on this because I ordered the GT DD wheelbase and csl load cell pedals earlier this week, but feel like I made the right decision for now. Hopefully logitech licenses out the truefeel because it does seem like an extra layer of immersion

[@sploit777]

Same, GHUB has been a mess with my g923. Whether it be rev lights not working, missing force feedback, wheel rotation stuck at 900 no matter what, etc.

[@ScottOmatic]

The fact that it still uses the G Hub software at this price point is an immediate dealbreaker IMO. Also, I would not spend this kind of money on a wheel that still looks like it’s made for consoles.

[@jmcgee2013]

If Trueforce is really about Haptics and immersion, then the higher price makes some sense. A console player can't really do a buttkicker or the like.

[@jahshjahsh2002]

I get where you're coming from, but come on, there's only so much things you can pack in the wheel. Why not put the money you save on another smart idea, like a compact wireless base shaker clamped to your seat...etc IMHO there's a steroid care about wheel and pedals while other kinds of feedback is still in baby steps. Ideas like tention seatbelts or g-force seats or motion rigs are still far away from the normal consumer's dream.

[@fullmetalracingesports3169]

PC and Console compatability: ✅ 10+ Nm Direct Drive: ✅ Great ergonomics & design: ✅ Less than $1000 USD for wheel & base: ✅ I'd say Logitech just stepped up their game pretty significantly and plan to make a SPLASH, not waves!! That TrueForce is a nice little touch as well; i'm sure its miles beyond what it was on the G923. If I raced on a console, this would be a no-brainer but alas I just purchased a Moza R9 Wheel, Base & SR-P LC pedals for about $1,100 shipped which I feel is still a better deal especially if you're racing on PC.

[@steveswanproductionstt6355]

I looked at all the reviews on this wheel but somehow missed this one. Until now. Great in depth review. Thanks. When I eventually buy the wheel I'll use your affiliated link 👍

[@juanjosebol]

Pretty cool, if it drops to $999 for the ecosystem and new wheels appear it could be interesting, as of now Moza is king.

[@Boudewijnnnnn]

honestly I feel with 11 nm which most people wont use and a somewhat gargantuant wheelbase + a bad wheel rim I wouldn't call this set a contender, if the price drops I think people are gonna be interested in buying it

[@PascalVos]

nah diy is king ;) i bet there hoverboard motor wheel bases that are just as good :) fact i know there pretty close to cheaper fanatec stuff

[@themaincheese5897]

I’m gonna wait at least 6 months before I buy anything

[@tassadarforaiur]

I wish moza offered console compatibility. There's a lot wrong with them, but fanatec is the only system where a single setup works on PC, PS4/5, and Xbox. PS5 dd1 wheel base, and Xbox enabled steering wheel.

[@clawbro]

Logitech couldn't care less about Moza, they are selling this to parents buying this for their kids at Christmas or console gamers

[@johnboe412]

I think the true force will make you faster! you're able to feel much more of the surfaces. and if your in grass your slowing yourself down. so you get a chance to feel that difference and remember next lap not to push the car that hard to where you hit the grass. more information is always a plus

[@raphaelmeillat8527]

Not so sure. At some point, the heavier the cognitive load, the more likely you are to focus on the wrong thing and tire yourself out...imho

[@johnboe412]

@@raphaelmeillat8527 well tbh I agree to an extreme fault. If you're ADD enough to just ficus on truefirce you shouldn't be racing anyway. But if you can use it as one of the nany tools at your disposal effectively then at that point its nice to have more information. Making you a better driver

[@davidwalton423]

Great review thank you. Im currently deciding between this wheel and fanatec gt dd pro for my nlr f-gt elite Cockpit.

[@adnanhalavac5202]

Apsolute magnificent review. Thanks and hope in future they will be available in better price.

[@loco240]

In general I really enjoy your videos, I am subscribed and I think you do a great job. This video is 7 months old so maybe this is old news, but over an hour on a wheel and pedal set is just too much. If you write out a transcript of your audio narration and give it to an editor, you'll find out that 75 percent of it is either meaningless filler words or expressions of speech, or is the same information repeated multiple times in different words. This, along with your very rapid speech, makes for a very frustrating video to watch. I found myself yelling at the screen, saying "Ok, you said that four times, can we please move on now?!!!" Again, I love your stuff, you're one of my favorites, but this particular video would have been much better and much more effective with a length of about 20 to 30 minutes. Not a criticism of all your work, just feedback about the journalistic style in this one video:)

[@SkateGeneva]

Logitech is smoking some crazy stuff to think that this is worth over 1000 EUR

[@tonykanaan3839]

Love your reviews mate. You are awesome

[@skarqen]

the drum n bass in the beginning was bliss I got goosebumps

[@reviewforthetube6485]

Not gonna this thing may be one fo the best feeling dd wheels it feels everything more then most. Its legit incredible what logitech did. There little one did it for the price then you have this and its just massive. We need more rims though! God lol Also ive always said smaller round wheels will always be able to feel more detail. The weight feel is amazing. Fanatec level maybe even more with a nm level its at. Someone tell me why logitech feels more controlled when racing compared to other wheels? Same happene with there old one when comparing at that level with the none DD wheelbase. This DD is on another level for sure.

[@rchatte100]

Crazy pricing!

[@vxtwist6325]

You know what I know what the title said but dunno why, but I kept thinking it's trustmaster. Mad. Good work Logitech.

[@CJdriftZ]

This is really awesome to see for the sim racing community!!!

[@alexcastaneda7761]

Was excited until I saw the price. $800 would've been a great price.

[@technogov2]

$892.34 right now on Amazon.

[@clawbro]

In the UK if you have a student discount you can get the entire setup (pedals + wheel) for £860 but I guarantee this will be discounted heavily for Christmas and maybe even at Black Friday. Ultimately they also don't care that much about Fanatec and and certainly not Moza, this will sell like crazy because the average person (i.e family buying for Christmas) or the average console gamer has no clue what those brands are and they aren't stocked in the usual retailers i.e Best Buys, Currys etc. Logitech can say what they want but by Christmas they will be at the usual brick and mortar retailers

[@boostedmedia]

I'd agree, except this is only being sold though their online store. No resellers and no shopfront.

[@clawbro]

@@boostedmedia You definitely have better insight then me but as you mentioned "for now". I would think they wouldn't want to miss out on the Christmas sales so surely by then they will change their mind? Regardless, this will probably be at the top of google for "direct drive", "gaming steering wheel", "console wheel" etc by the end of the week with their advertising spend

[@jase3d1]

Fantastic review. Thankyou

[@jinx20001]

nice surprise from logitech, didn't see this one coming even though it landed on the radar over a year ago now but just got forgotten about. they timed this perfectly to take away thrustmasters thunder a little. would have been great if you were able to get that sucker torn down so we could get to the nitty gritty details like encoder resolutions etc, it would be kind of a sneak peak on logitech's build process, where they saved money or spent it. i really really would like to see more software adjustments, its still pretty bare bones, the depth of software like fanalab and whats available on other bases just ensures you can tweak it to feel just right but hey its logitech this looks pretty solid from them, it might just be me but the sneak peeks of thrustmasters DD have a pretty similar shape to the base especially at the front... guess we gotta wait and see the final thrustmaster product. its a whole lotta plastic though, they clearly took a lot of inspiration from fanatec, thankfully never carbon copied that QR though but that price for that much plastic is a stretch.

[@GandiVR]

10:50 Is that rig flex normal? Thought a aluminum rig from that level wouldn’t have that kind of movement

[@leonardo_gonzaga]

Jesus that flex!!!

[@stuartpietzka9148]

It's on a motion rig. It's rig movement not flex

[@jasonandrew412]

That's a next level, not really next level..

[@boostedmedia]

It’s not flex. It’s on a motion platform. That’s was explained in the video.

[@GMetzo]

It looks like we've been listening to the same music. Same DnB track even. To comment on the subject , I am honestly impressed with what you are saying about trueforce. Something I haven't considered as a Trashmaster user. It still is a piece of plastic though. I ain't gonna accept them selling it at the same price as an all metal Moza or Fanatec.

[@e36blur]

Forza horizon playlist LOL

[@chuckystang]

I think this looks incredible and I bet it drives great but just not aluminum profile friendly, no side mount, and quirky mounting arrangement when not using a table clamp. If not for those hiccups, I'd rock it.

[@robertt9342]

Do you think the Dmshape of the wheel is chosen not just because it “looks good”: but also provides a benefit of easily telling the direction of the wheel based purely on feel?

[@noahlange5102]

Not making one base compatible with both consoles is a HUGE loss. Fanatec can do it, why can't Logitech? IIRC, Fanatec has Xbox compatibility from the wheel vs. PS in the wheel base, couldn't Logitech have done something similar?

[@CrankyBuddha]

This is a good point- I have a Fanatec DD Pro (PS compatible) and the Xbox version of the Formula V2 wheel and am covered across all platforms, and it's kind of nice if I ever end up with a playstation

[@Sideways_Singh]

U dont need xbox compatibility becauae all xbox games are on pc. Plus pc has all the real hardcore sims that u would want to play with this wheel, so u already have a pc anyways to play that, so y would I own an xbox on top of that?

[@mfpresident8150]

There is an extra $100 fee added to the overall cost to add support for Sony which would be a wast of money for people like me who don't use playstation. Hopefully they will release another version with PlayStation support but it will cost more.

[@samgendler]

I get the impression that one or both of the console manufacturers insist on products being exclusive to one console. That's why fanatec makes bases compatible with playstation and wheels that are compatible with xbox. I think they slipped through a loophole in their contracts which allow a wheel/base combo to be compatible with both. It's possible that newer licensing deals have closed that loophole so that logitech didn't have the option. Either that, or logitech just didn't want to deal with passing the xbox hardware signature through from the wheel because it would require a more sophisticated wheel/base interface somehow?

[@zeendrom]

These will be sold as bundles and targetted at the general public. It's a lot less confusing to most people to just get the system their console brand.

[@wegpiraatjochem]

No one is gonna buy this instead of any other dd base. Also it’s gonna use the notorious g hub software which is just 1 reason to stay away from them.

[@Maxwell1725P]

Only reason I see fot he whole thing is that the CSL DD bundle (PS5 compatible) is hard to come by since release. They probably can get some of that demand. Aside from that and in more normal times, this price does not make sense.

[@racingplaysimuladores174]

How always my best friend, how spectacular your explanation in detail, congratulations

[@computerpwn]

wow i am surprised at how much information you were able to fit in this video, im only 20 or so minutes in but its like ive had a whole crash course on sim racing as a whole