SIMAGIC VS. EVERYTHING! - Best Value Direct Drive Sim Racing Setup?

[@sharp640SR]

I have an Alpha 15nm base and fxpro wheel, and I do not have a centering issue. I do, however, absolutely love the gear.

[@limpetarch98k]

Im super tempted to buy the FX Pro since 3 months, but there are 2 things that holds me back even after I made the move to switch to Simagic. 1- The wheel is such in high demands that ordering it becomes tediously long. In Canada, the only distributor that wont scam you is Simracingpros, but due to them being a pretty small distributor, they have as much of a hard time keeping up with the demand than they do updating the availability of the stocks. So if you just order without asking them if they are in stock when in fact they aren't, it will take a long time. The problem is that the FX Pro is such in high demand that it goes out of stock very quickly. 2- I do occasionally see complaints about the QC itself popping in the simagic discord server. Idk if the paddles not working (again, seen this before in the server complaints) are due to software or QC, but I seen problems that are definitively due to QC. Its not like my GT1D Pro wheel where it is definitively built like a tank (the wheelbase even more!), the FX Pro does seem to suffer from its high demand. And as someone who had a lot of problems with Thrustmaster, I cannot afford another mistake like that.

[@oppos727]

Can't stress how much I appreciate your thoroughness in every single piece of content you produce. I'm always impressed by your parity, considerations, and ability to relay exactly what the viewer wants to hear. Thanks Will!

[@mbe102]

I feel like you, or youtube, is reading my mind. This video is EXACTLY what I was looking for.

[@magicmulder]

Same!

[@ni7e]

@@magicmulder Same!!

[@vrj0]

Haha sososooo much the same here 😅.

[@akpanjennings]

Worse. They’re reading your browser history

[@Xaranko]

Same for me, I was just searching online for something like this

[@snichols1971]

One point that should be made is that the canbus has uses now. Any of the peripherals like pedals, shifters etc... can be plugged into canbus and will report as a single device in game. Also Simagic has a canbus hub that offers 4 ports so all peripherals can be plugged in to be a single device which then paired with a Cortex device the entire ecosystem can be made compatible with consoles.

[@MrRumBacardi]

I was going to write this. The canbus works great with the peripherals. Plug and play!

[@weycking]

Made a little video about the functionality of this Sigma Cortex Converter, will find it on this account. For those who doubt it. It's just great. ❤

[@MeTaLiStACZM]

​@@weyckingI can confirm, that video came up just when I was looking for that exact detailed information so thanks to this guy I already have the Simagic Alpha at home. Thank you man!

[@sharp640SR]

I didn't even know it wasn't used before. I just did this. I will be getting that hub

[@mouseFPV]

as someone who owns a Voron, canbus is awesome.

[@aphae]

I got an alpha mini last month with a loadcell pedal and very satisfied. I came from the R5, lost quite a lot of money but it was worth the upgrade.

[@adambuzzeo]

As an Alpha U user, I do feel like I get more detail over a wider range of force compared to the Alpha. I'm a skinny guy, but I do use the wheel base at 100 percent ffb in simpro and usually just set the in game ffb around the auto setting, plus or minus a few clicks. I use Iracing pretty much exclusively, so take that as you will. Really glad to see Simagic getting love, they have come a long way and seem to only be improving. Was looking forward to this for a while. Thanks Will. Edit: I don't have the 7 degrees of offset issue when centering. Mine always zeros correctly.

[@RingoFreakingStarr]

I went from the G27 to the DD1 to the Alpha Ultimate and I gotta say, even after testing the Simucube Sport for an extended period of time, I just flat out prefer the Alpha Ultimate in all ways other than its emergency stop-switch only turning off USB communication and now power to the wheel. Also the only way to turn off/on the Simagic wheelbases is with the integrated switch in the power cord which is a bit silly. I think at 999USD the Alpha Ultimate is clearly the best bang for your buck high-end wheelbase. I even prefer it flat out against the Simucube Sport but I do understand why someone would like the Simucube offerings over the Simagic Alpha and Alpha Ultimate.

[@FOGDaheee]

Never had the issue with the wheel centre, mine is always at 0. My friend has the Fanatec DD2 and after having tried his I never felt like I was missing anything with my Alpha Mini. Had it for one and a half years and had no issues, unlike my friend has had with his Fanatec system.

[@Brittlespeed]

Same, my Alpha U is fine regarding that

[@GameCubits]

Piling on with this one, i never had a centering issue with either my mini or ultimate. And i can't explain why it would be off-centre in-game but centered in the software unless something had been fiddled with dxtweak/diview maybe?

[@TheDoctor46vr]

When did he mention the wheel centre? I missed that

[@The_-_Futurist24]

I just cannot get into asetek stuff. It looks like a kid designed it for an arcade. I can't put my finger on what exactly it is, but it just looks overly done.

[@laszloearlerc7155]

Personally I will get the asetek base but the simagic neo wheel

[@aswang17]

Keep in mind asetek wheels are still their mid/low range offerings. They are still to release the invicta range. Also, their pedals are the best looking pedals out now. IMO.

[@jaysontraver3354]

I’ve had the alpha base with the formula wheel for over a year. Never had a single issue. The feedback is great and the wheel is awesome, especially for the price.

[@stevenfoote8512]

Hi Will, the CAN-BUS USD Port on the side of the wheel base is to connect a gear shifer to the wheel base so the padel shift and gear shifter work together. Excellent feature. I have a full Simagic ecosystem and it's brilliant. I have the Alpha and it's more than enough at 15NM, Sequential shifter and the Haptics on the P2000 pedals. Highly recommend the Simagic setup.

[@thracian2072]

FWIW, I had an Alpha, and then sold it and got a good deal on a VRS. Except for the fact that the Alpha got hot with extensive play (the VRS never even gets warm), I personally don't perceive any difference in feel or performance. You can happily play the Alpha and never ever need another base.

[@brendanjohnson4897]

I already moved from Fanatec to Simucube a few years back but if i was making the move from CSL to Direct drive today i think id definately go Simagic, best ecosystem going around i think. for someone like me that doesnt get in the seat as much as id like. having one piece of software driving everything again would be great

[@ags911]

Do you think the Fanatec ecosystem isn't worth it compared to the Simagic?

[@Pigey]

@@ags911 id say just go with simagic, i had a dd2 before getting an alpha u, the difference in quality is crazy and you get a really good quick release without having to spend any extra money like you do with fanatec

[@alexstavik]

Stay far away from fanatec​@@ags911

[@jerryspeedbumps512]

Just built my first rig, and bought my 1st FF wheel. Simagic Alpha Mini. Also Simjack Pro Pedals. I cannot compare the pedals to much, though they are great so far! The Alpha mini is outstanding! I turned it down to like 60% atm. Super impressed, and glad I dropped in at a higher space than most might at first. I havent used it much yet though as I have been trying to draw up plans for a cnc plywood rig with easy adjustment and cool looks. I would recommend it to anybody. They had this cool new wheel come out recently too I think I'd really like!

[@OzzCyrus]

Just want to give you some praise mate. Finally have the pc and money to get my first sim rig and you have been my number one resource to learn. Cheers mate

[@eagletrippin]

Switched to Simagic from Fanatec at the end of last year --- NO REGRETS! The Alpha U is more power than I will ever need; its form-factor is perfect. The GT Pro and FX Pro wheels got me covered in all styles of racing. One of the best moves I've made in sim racing.

[@michaelsutton60]

A couple of things I'd like to add for those wondering, I have the Mini with the GT neo wheel and p1000 hydraulic pedals I use them for ACC on PS5 and it works great, you need a sigma converter. If you choose to go down this road I can save you some time. First thing is update the firmware on all the Simagic stuff, secondly load the second to last firmware of the sigma. Not the latest! it is a beta and for some reason it spins the wheel out of your hands and locks hard to the right. The 7° thing isn't an issue anymore, and Simagic also do a much cheaper pedal set now so ye. I love em and highly recommend it.

[@gregdoucet3721]

I was on my force feedback journey this past year and went from a CSL Elite to a CSL DD 8nm. I tried that for 5 months and realized it wasn’t enough power so I moved onto the Alpha 15nm and as Will said, I can actually see it as being my forever wheel. At times it can be more powerful than I would ever need. So happy with it and can’t wait to see how they improve the firmware over time. Great vid Will 👍

[@Sean-ps3ec]

As a SImagic owner who could have chosen Simucube. I chose Simagic due to the fact I believed the margin like you said is razor thin between FFB between them. They have cheaper accessories and that's some thing to think about with a superior QR system. And when it comes to Moza and Fanatec there is no comparison to me. Moza is targeting the low end really with the Moza R12/9/5 more than anyone else besides Fanatec.Thrustmaster is only an option if you are already in the ecosystem and want to stay there and Logitech is just a cash grab as well as Turtle beach. Not to mention but the Simagic Ecosystem while smaller than Fanatec is far more modern and priced fairly. Also, to close this out and put an end to my rant I chose Simagic because I can use ANY wheel I want and can do it without spending another $200 on a QR system and Fanatec/Simucube/Thrustmaster/Turtle Beach/Logitech you cant

[@erickramirez9093]

Completely agree with you man!

[@TheDoctor46vr]

I probably wont now because of the Neo, so i could use th Fanatec Formula wheel without a converter? What about with the sigma cortex?

[@Cloxxki]

Question, if I may: Is there a way for the wheel to cut out when you're in a heavy crash? Seems pointless to let that crash come through the wheel and risk injury.

[@Thisisdumbb]

Simucube can use other wheels without a qr system…

[@offworlda]

@@Thisisdumbb what do you mean? Simucube also use a QR system that wheels need to bolt to?

[@RedLP5000S]

I am so thrilled to have purchased the Alpha/GT Pro combo. Now it's just a waiting game until their products start shipping. Simagic is top tier. Can't wait to see your more in depth review of the P1000s. Cheers.

[@2amProFilms]

Nailed it with this review! I switch from Fanatec echo system to Simagic and I have zero regrets!

[@josephhutchins8]

One thing I like about the Simagic lineup is that they look like professional equipment, like something you’d see in a racing simulator used by an F1/GT team compared to the almost toyish like presentation from other companies like Moza or Asetek

[@Nicklz5555]

I absolutely love my asetek wheelbase and round comfort rim . Love that design and it's so functional being at your fingertips . Don't even have to think to get the setting changes whilst racing now. Ffb is amazing too !

[@flyingphoenix113]

If that's your goal, go with Simucube or Fanatec (which has a literal GT3 wheel available). Personally, I don't care what any of it looks like. I just care about how well it works and the value it represents. That's why Asetek gets my vote.

[@The_-_Futurist24]

I agree with this for asetek. Looks unrealistic to me for 'real sim look'. Enough for me to discount it being a consideration for me between Fanatec, Simagic, and Moza. I think Moza stuff looks very nice. They have very cheap wheel offerings which do look a little more 'toy' like but that's very fair considering the amazing price point. I think though that their ~500 round wheels look better than simagic options that are like 750-900 (hub plus wheel options). The GTS wheel looks pretty good for my want/needs, but rim too small (300mm) and is not changeable therefore also not suitable. Only major letdown for me on simagic's end is no fully suitable rally wheel. But I'm hoping us rally fans can get the GT Neo treatment.

[@The_-_Futurist24]

Of note, moza is frustrating for me and lost some points to simagic in my comparisons to purchase because I do not like all the plastic Dashboard crap they put around their R16, R21 that looks like the 'dash' look on a logitech G series. It also is more 'in the way' for mounting. Plus simagic pedals are soooo much better for all accounts, even for slightly more in price, and their QR being interchangeable with IRL wheels is amazing.

[@LukeVesty]

Totally agree and this is very important to me.

[@Spotter-]

My first sim base was a CSL DD, I had a ton of strange small issues with it even after getting jt warrantied. I sold it and switched to the alpha mini, which feels significantly better FFB wise and hasn’t skipped a single beat since I got it around 2 years ago.

[@Jonny._.]

significantly better better in what way, way better details ?

[@MIMCKMedia]

I ordered the gt neo wheel last week and the simagic alpha wheel Base today. I will get rid of all my fanatec gear. I also switched my elite v2 Pedals for vrs pedals

[@D1570R73D]

35:45 Thank you so much for this raw honesty. So many youtubers give a half-assed response that doesn't make either brand sound better or worse. Also, the effort and research you put into your videos is top-notch!

[@ChemsBoomer]

I purchased an Asetek bundle last year, deciding against sim magic. I'm happy with the decision but after watching this, I think I would have been happy with the sim magic as well. At the time, I was worried about moza quality and wanted to have 1 software to run everything. For me, the big draw for asetek was the bundle for everything. Sim magic felt a little too "mix and match" for what I wanted. But I'm glad to see that there are so many quality options at different price points. I think it's great for us!

[@colinparker6275]

Mate, this is incredible work. So well explained. I’ve had the Alpha Mini for a couple of years now. Never dared to tweak anything beyond default as I could get my head round it. Might have a go now…

[@X1erra]

I've been using Moza for a year, but to see Simagic as a side-by-side competitor is great to see. I hope they compete with each other to make even better products because they're shaping the future of simracing for many of us. :)

[@pflynhi]

The last step to my Fanatec phase out was replacing my cslDD with the Alpha 15nm and I absolutely love it. It took a couple weeks to fine tune the strength, finally settled at running it at 70% or 10.5nm and it has been pure joy. Easily converted my Turn305/bp2 wheel with a Simagic QR and paired with my Heusinkveld Sprints I couldn't be happier.

[@blacknovella]

i just ordered the alpha u to replace my dd1, it has emi issues w/ 3rd party wheels :(

[@02bluehawk]

I purchased a moza r5 back in March of 2023 and love it. I had the opportunity to use a simagic alpha mini and it was really good also the p1000 pedals and I have to say those pedals are incredible. I honestly feel IMO the wheels and bases moza vs simagic are very similar apart from moza having some cheeper offerings, but the pedals simagic offers are incredible.

[@elbowsout6301]

Nice video. As for console support it is worth noting that Simagic has an adaptor for PS5 that allows you to use all their gear on it, shifters, pedals, bases, everything. It's called the Sigma Cortex and it only works with Simagic. It has memory slots for storing game specific settings and all of the same settings you see in the software on PC are in this little device. You can adjust wheel speed, mechanical damper, interpolation, strength, it's all there. And you can adjust that stuff in real time without exiting the game. They keep updating the firmware on it every time they bring out a new wheel or peripheral they add support. Oh and no oscillating in GT7, which is a big issue for most guys trying to get their non PS compatible DD bases working in that game.

[@zsimps1829]

Thank you for the info. I might go with simagic.

[@Poncheezy]

With this sigma cortex thing would I be able to use alpha mini GT NEO with Logitech pedals on console??

[@elbowsout6301]

@@Poncheezy unfortunately no you wouldn't be able to use the pedals. Only simagic gear works with it.

[@ItsBHopeful]

Does this filter the FFB a lot on consoles or does it work same as it does on PC? I want to play GT7 but really want to avoid Fanatec with all their issues. Will the Simagic and cortex adapter still give me Fanatec level quality of FFB on GT7 do you know, or will it be like a watered down version since I'm using an adapter? Thanks!

[@TheLoamRanger]

Got a full Simagic kit being delivered this week! So pumped. Thanks for this, Will.

[@lakaiskates8064]

lol no way! Long time fan! I had no idea you were into sim racing. I just got a Simagic Alpha mini a couple of days ago too You won't be disappointed!

[@TheLoamRanger]

@@lakaiskates8064 that's awesome! And yep, just wait till you see what I'm up to haha. I'm going a *little* overboard...

[@mateusznowicki9638]

@@lakaiskates8064 Same! I was like - hey, you weren't supposed to be here, that not that video! @TheLoamRanger

[@andycasper83]

I love my Alpha U wheelbase. It's my first direct drive coming from a Logitech G29. Spent months and months researching and comparing, watching videos from all over including the Boosted Media review on the entire ecosystem. I've only had it since mid February and on each of the 2 firmware updates I have had in that time period it seems like it gets better and better. The Simagic motor design was what sealed the deal for me, the rest is in the constantly improving software. I've never driven other direct drive wheels, but I can tell you I am not disappointed and the Simagic gives all the detail I feel through the wheel of real sports tuned cars. I know exactly when I'm one the edge, where the load is on the car, and what texture I'm driving across. Happy to see a review where Simagic gets compared to the other leaders in the wheelbase market.

[@shev_a7777]

What is unique about the design of the Simagic engine?

[@hayscthomp123]

I've had the alpha mini for almost a year now and I absolutely love it. I haven't had the 7 degree centering issue. The center is occasionally a degree or two off when booting up, but a quick recenter has always fixed the issue in game and in the software. I haven't had to recenter in quite some time though.

[@rogerdiz3520]

I've had an alpha mini for almost exactly a year now and never had an issue with it. The thing I've been most impressed with is how much they've improved the software in the last year. I've also never once thought i need 'more' torque as i only run mine at 50% in most sims. Anything more wears me out quickly. My only regret is the neo wheel wasn't available when i bought into the simagic ecosystem. I love my gtc wheel, but not the $150 more it is than the neo. The main point of the canbus is for games like the forza series, which require 3rd party solutions if your controller isn't seen as 'all in one'. Also makes cabling a bit neater, I guess, though a good quality powered usb hub provides the same functionality for the neater cabling solution.

[@johng4357]

simagic gets my vote over simucube for the money, and over asetek for the aesthetics, and over moza for the quality at similar price point. Only the new fanatec DD might tempt me away now tho i don't like the QR and quality issue resolution remains to be seen so looking forward to seeing that updated vid. Coming from t300

[@Mawding]

Been a Moza user since end of 2022 and I got one of the first GT Neo's to release. That wheel was the ultimate wake up call on the level of quality from simagic. Currently in the process of selling my moza gear to make the jump to simagic and looking at prices now, its not that far off of what I paid for my R9 V1 and RS V2 wheel from moza.

[@ReconRiftGaming]

I was thinking of moza vs simagic but hearing this as a r9v2 and a rsv2 are 950 and a alpha mini and the gt pro wheel its the same price is a no brainer now

[@farr1260]

Im glad you buried the hatchet with these guys awhile back!

[@wintertorrent]

What happened??

[@limpetarch98k]

@@wintertorrent​​⁠I hope this comment wont get deleted, but here we go. Bedtime story! Nowadays, Simagic is the simracing incarnation of what would have happened if Davey Allison didnt passed away in a helicopter match back in 1993. However, in the ancient days (2019), it wasnt always this way. Simagic’s offer at the time, the M10, really deserved being called an one-hit wonder like the Cammus DDWB15. Except probably worse, since it wasnt a proper motor but a strange hybrid of god knows what. The software was also nowhere as good and overall Will didnt said nice things about Simagic. This resulted in a huge feud between Will and Simagic, but cooler heads prevailed and since then, Simagic released the Alpha wheelbase. From there, Simagic released absolute bangers back to back, proving to the world that they are here to stay.

[@mistenkt]

I went with Moza last year when i got into this hobby, my r9 failed after 3-4 months and i got it replaced by an R12, now that one has failed too. Took the painful (expensive) jump of just replacing all my gear with Simagic. Cant wait to receive it, they seem to really pushing the limits of reasonable priced gear with quality and innovation (their p1000 pedals)!

[@Michelsen3K]

oh man really. I just ordered a r12 + the ks wheel

[@Michelsen3K]

heat issues with the r12 or what happended exactly. Thanks mate

[@mistenkt]

​@@Michelsen3K neither one of them had heat issues actually, they both just started having loss of ffb without even being close to warm. Maybe its their temp sensors that are broken and it thinks its overheating? R12 worked fine for 5-6 months then suddenly started dropping to 50% ffb after 10mins - 1 hour into every session. only restores its strength by resetting base, but thats not something you want to do in the middle of a race. If you still have the option to cancel your order id do it. Their discord is filled with people having these FFB issues, and they even ban users who complain too much.

[@Michelsen3K]

@@mistenkt aw no. Ok i'll try. Thanks for the info

[@Tapport]

Just clicking play but had to say that I've been wanting a video like this forever from this channel. Everybody online says to go Simagic compared to almost all other brands, but I'm always skeptical that it's just an echo chamber or (even if the quality is great) that those people haven't tried the other products that they're claiming to be inferior. Edit: Having finished the video, it sounds like Simagic really is the best value in sim gear currently and it's definitely what I'll look to when I upgrade later this year. The ability to use any wheel with an NRG QR is especially appealing to me since I mainly do racing that would use a GT style wheel, but also like to be able to drift when I'm looking to just relax. I'll be getting the Simagic GT wheel and a cheaper full wheel for drifting that I can pop on for fun.

[@AceBlake]

Perfect timing for me! Just bought the Alpha Mini plus GT Neo and was searching for reviews to confirm my choice. Many thanks!!

[@JeremyBenjamin78]

Cam port is use pedals shifters, and other USB connectors they also have a hub

[@celesi87]

dont you do that before buying? :D

[@AceBlake]

@@celesi87 hah! Yes indeed, however the buyers regret then sets in and you're left scouring the net for evidence to reinforce your decision making!

[@graffix3001]

@@AceBlake I did the exact same thing. lol

[@EZ10_Live]

how is it working out for you so far?

[@weycking]

Best for console-drivers: it's extremely good on it with the sigma cortex converter. Not comparable with other converters, real DD ffb - and the best pedals on console for sure. Made a short video on this channel about it. I'm just happy I tried it 😃

[@markthibault8579]

Having recently upgraded from a Fanatec CSL Elite to an Alpha mini, I can echo how good the base is. For me, the strength is plenty and the solid build is awesome.

[@Linkinbassist]

I've always liked the utilitarian look and vibe you get from simagic wheelbases, like they got the fundamentals of the product right and managed to get their bases down to a good price point. Rarely ever hear about issues with them either, or at least far fewer complaints than other manufacturers. I want to upgrade from a T300rs at some point and Simagic is currently my first choice for the inevitable upgrade. Solid video!

[@nathanwray6308]

I made this exact swap little over a year ago. Went alpha /fx pro. Realistically the only gripe in have about the whole set up is not being any to tinker with dashes ect as the dash boards are only baked into he sim-manager software. This said the wheel is like 2/3rd to half of what an equivalent cubecontrols or GSI wheel is.

[@brianturner4818]

I got the Alpha Mini, GTPro base with D shaped wheel, and P1000 pedals as my first DD base and "real" pedals after coming from the Thrustmaster T248. I wish this video existed before I purchased, but it would have only confirmed my decisions. I have been very pleased overall with the hardware and the software. The presets are nice for the wheel even though it doesn't remember you were using your last preset between sessions. I always have to choose it in the settings again, but it's just a minor thing. Thanks for a great review!

[@Ezpzlmnsqez]

I've owned both Moza and Simagic gear sets. Moza gave me nothing but issues, multiple replacements for R9 and GS wheel. Sold all the Moza stuff and went with Simagic (Alpha mini, FX, P1000) and it has seriously been a flawless experience. Lost some money on the Moza gear but it was a great decision in the long run. The Moza gear problems just kept killing the enjoyment for me.

[@brentonedwards]

Thanks for this. I have been leaning towards Simagic but also considering Moza, as well as just biting the bullet and going Simucube. Looking to move from Fanafail.

[@bodasafur6078]

I have similar story , had moza r9 v2 and gs gt v2 wheel , had issues with the wheelbase and even worse issues with customer support same as op i sold all my moza gear at a loss and reinvested on an Asetek la prima bundle with forte pedal upgrade . Such a better quality product . Would never touch moza again .

[@publius_scipio]

Happy user of the R9 for over 1500+ hours simracing atm. But i am using the V1 base and indeed if i hear all complaints everywhere about the V2 i am happy i bought it early@@bodasafur6078

[@MrYetiASX]

Kinda the same thing for me, but not because of technical issues, just that the R9 FFB was mediocre, whatever the settings and how we tried to improve it, it was always noticeably lacking in feel compared with the CSL DD 8NM of my friend. The car suspension feeling was wrong and nearly absent sometimes. It felt unatural and simply not enjoyable, I always had to modify the settings and I was frustrated everytime. Changed for an Alpha Mini, world of difference. It feels how it should, with a much more detailed and "complete" FFB, it's stronger, I much prefer the software (uglier, but way simpler to understand what you are doing with the settings) and the quality is a step above (even tho my wheel is showing some issues after a year, the stiching has gone loose). I had surprisingly good interactions with the support also.

[@Michelsen3K]

I just ordered the r12 and the ks wheel 😮

[@brendonv101]

Some years back you made a rather poor review for this company and I feel whatever happened there stopped you from giving simagic a fair go for a while. Great to see you gave them another try but also a key to stay open minded when in the review space. Your influence has a lot of power these days. Great video. Very in depth as per always.

[@Kurnazify]

Asetek forte he's like good base but the more powerful Asetek invicta has omg more detail so good. Yet in this review it's like all 3 simagic bases are the same except there is torque strength difference to me its like he doesnt give af and his mind was already made up.

[@Hinga101]

Yes, so much so I didn't buy Simagic stuff due to this. Now I feel like a fool for following their advise, only to go back on it. Leaves an extreemly poor taste............

[@kevinblythe2192]

Great review as always Will. I don't know the difference between slew rate and bit rate per se (data throughput volume I guess) however no-one seems to talk much about encoder 'bit rates' when comparing wheel bases generally. Surely the bit rate would affect rotational accuracy, sensitivity and responsiveness but isn't often mentioned. For example Simucube = 22bit encoders, Simagic Alpha range = 18bit, Moza R9/R12 = 15bit though not sure about other manufacturers products because it seems to be a closely guarded secret by some. To me anything 18bit and above is considered a high resolution encoder , while 13 - 17 is closer to a medium resolution. I think it would be helpful for this vital info to be mentioned in all wheelbase comparison reviews to help with purchase decisions. Not a criticism here, just a general comment.

[@smokeybandit1020]

Factual and relevant. I doubt most will be able to feel a discernible improvement above 18 bit encoders. Moza claims that R16V2 using 18 bit encoders but I've seen teardowns that show 15 bit instead. This is an outright deception if true and signals a far greater integrity issue than just encoders.

[@kevinblythe2192]

@@smokeybandit1020 Totally agree. The old adage 'you get what you pay for' comes to mind however manufacturers also have an obligation to be truthful in presenting all relevant data. Doesn't seem to happen in the sim world. I know for instance that the R12 was originally promoted as having 18 bit encoders but that claim was withdrawn when questioned and 15 bit was subsequently admitted. So it does then bring into question its bigger brothers as you describe. I think the 'notchiness' in wheel rotation described in wheelbase reviews may actually reflect the use of lower quality / medium resolution encoders but its never stated that way. It's never spelt out ...

[@smokeybandit1020]

@@kevinblythe2192 the notchiness is because it does not use true servo motors in it's lower range. It obfuscates this. It does uses true servos R16 and 21 but misleads others to think it does so for all it's wheelbases. It's primary target customers are easily fooled because they won't know the difference coming from non direct drive wheels. Detractors argue it is a servo not understanding the difference between a servo system and a servo motor.

[@Viraniel666]

That was the review that I was waiting for, I got a R5 and looking for an upgrade, my 1st choice was Alpha mini but now after watching it, I might go for the standard Alpha. I was considering Asetek but I already have 3 Moza wheels + truck wheel on the way so I wouldn't need extra QR for the wheels/base, just moza hub to connect them to PC.

[@brianczapla2217]

Just upgraded my Thrustmaster TS-XW and T-LCM a pedals with P1000’s and the Alpha with both a GTS wheel and FX Dual Clutch wheel. Really great step up to DD after having used my Old equipment for 3-4 years now. Well worth the upgrade and I plan on getting the DS-8X shifter to replace the thrustmaster TH8A as well

[@RoadRashHD]

My Alpha is never 7 degrees off. Simagic USB Extender plugs into the Canbus so you can plug your pedals, shifters and hand brake into it. Glad I kept saving for the Alpha over the mini.

[@themadnes5413]

I was between simagic and asetek, choose asetek. But im really impressed by the offerings from simagic!

[@BasementRacer805]

Why did you pick Asetek in the end. I'm kind of in a similar boat where I was leaning towards Simagic, but now I'm leaning towards Asetek. What was it for you?

[@themadnes5413]

@@BasementRacer805 Mostly the upgradeability, should i ever need more power i could upgrade my la prima to the forte. Also the overall ffb might be the best on the market (with simucube). And im from Germany and it feels kind of saver to buy something from denmark.

[@mementomori4972]

I have the VRS DD pro, which has 20NM and I realistically (judging by the graph in iRacing) use half of that in regards of holding force and regular driving. I wouldn't really want to have less torque than that though and It's also nice to have the headroom. The motor doesn't even really get warm to the touch, which as we all know is a big problem with the low torque Fanatec and Moza bases. If I wouldn't have gotten my VRS for a really good price, I would have gone for the Alpha Mini. Dan Susuki tested it at around 13Nm I believe, and the temperatures he measured were very moderate. His test wasn't very scientific but it's a good indicator and falls in line with some of the other reviewers who say that the Mini feels like it has more than 10Nm.

[@brulaapgaapmeester8052]

My CSL DD does not get hot at all, but does often have an annoying buzz in the beginning, which does tend to go away later. And i really hate the QR1!

[@mementomori4972]

@@brulaapgaapmeester8052 Overheating is a big issue with the CSL DD. The forums are full of it. Especially with the 8Nm power supply and over a longer period of time (endurance race for example) It will start fading and feel like the tires lose grip. Have you ever measured your temps after an hour or so of using it?

[@brulaapgaapmeester8052]

It never gets warmer than hand warm, but I suspect that the settings play a big role here. I have it at the full 8nm, but other settings also determine when it uses it. Anyway, I never had high temps on the thing, just the other annoying stuff. For me the question is, do I spend 160 euro's to solve one of the problems (QR2 + shaft) or do I upgrade to a different base? Pissed off at Fanatec for selling me a flawed QR, but no overheating at least. ;-)@@mementomori4972

[@wetmog]

You can use all of their peripherals in CAN-BUS mode (pedals, shifters, etc.), and they sell an optional CAN-BUS hub if needed. It's really only needed if a sim only reads a single device (Forza Horizon 5) was infamous for this.

[@killrockstartv]

Really looking to offload my fanatec gear after an awful experience with RMA customer support and even recieving the products in the first place. perhaps simagic is the way!

[@grandadssimracing]

You can run your pedals or shifter through the cam-bus!

[@boostedmedia]

Yep turns out you can! Didn’t realise this as we haven’t got to our full review of the pedals yet and have been running them via USB direct to the PC up until now.

[@gcm747]

Welcome back Simagic! It’s been a while.

[@ss0op]

Great video. I just purchased the Alpha and GT Neo wheel. Waiting on them to ship. Thanks for the honest reviews and opinions!

[@Tix298]

I’m thinking of purchasing the same combo, how has your experience been? Happy with the purchase?

[@ss0op]

@@Tix298absolutely amazing. I admittedly have very little to judge against as it’s my only experience with direct drive but I’m a happy customer. The Neo is just plain awesome.

[@limpetarch98k]

24:05 The Can-Bus port on the Alpha wheelbase is definitively useful if you have a Q1 shifter, as it has settings that exclusively work if plugged directly into the wheelbase. One of them allows you to sync the Q1 shifter with your steering wheel's paddles, so that you can upshift/downshift regardless with both at the same time. And yes, the gear display on the Q1 benefits from that setting, so if you upshift with the paddles, the Q1's display would register that input.

[@Aussieadventureawaits]

Is there a sync issue as I heard if you miss shift the Q1 shifter will be out of sync. Does plugging it into base rectify this?

[@limpetarch98k]

@@Aussieadventureawaits I remember occasionally running into desync when I first used it, however it has been a while since I havent used it so I dont remember what caused it. This was back when I didnt figure why the RPM lights on my GT1D Pro wheel didnt worked.

[@fattui]

I sold all my moza gear for simagic, never looking back

[@mistenkt]

Switching from Moza to Simagic myself. Ordered everything last week. I won’t sell my Moza stuff tho as it’s already failing and loosing FFB. And it’s the second unit with this problem as well. Shit quality.

[@shev_a7777]

I have the opposite situation, I switched from Simagic Alpha Mini V1, which heated up to 80-90 degrees in Assetto Corsa Competizione, to Moza R16 and I don’t regret it.

[@Max__apex]

Wow simagic getting the thumbs up and super good value. Very very close to simucube that is a lot more expensive

[@davidl2153]

I recently bought the alpha mini, Neo rim and P1000 pedals, was hoping to wait for your reviews but they were a bit late been looking to go DD for 6 months or more and other reviews were also positive. I do not have the centring issue, and find the wheel and rim really good feels grate, I like the back lit led's on the rim, the thumb wheels and dials are great plus absolutely rock solid no flex. I like the feedback, a definite step up from the Thrustmaster T300. The pedals umm not as sold on these, they look great and look well built but the pedals are 90deg to the plate and I find I am pressing the throttle in the corners and there is no adjustment for that, I have put a spacer on the accelerator stop to bring it a few degrees off vertical as well as angling the whole pedal mount back, this has worked. Also I have found the brake rubbers to compress, after heavy braking there is play in the pedal it doesn't immediately return to the stop for a couple of seconds. Also occasionally stress noises when coming off a heavy brake (like a metal creaking noise) maybe from the housing to ball joint will try greasing it. The accelerator also has a rubbing sound (sounds like the spring rubbing on the housing) even after greasing the spring. Was going to go Fanatec or Asetek but Fanatec have never had a good rep for customer service and that has only got worse, plus it has to be imported, they dont have a wheel to match the Neo, although their round wheels are more in my price bracket. Asetek, not sure I would get on with the pedals and I really dont like the look of the rim looks really cheap and amateurish for the money. The Simagic was a little more than I wanted to spend but is good value for money compared to the rest.

[@Bumble-d1e]

Put your padels in reverse if your rig can do that you get a real life feel most if not all other padels that are way more expensive are worse you made a good choice also maybe you can use a diffrent spring on the trottle just find the right size and check for stiffness only you can find cheap (but strong springs for it) ~ps im only typing this cuz i dont want you to go wasting money on things you be even more disapointed with how ever that said maybe you can find a sim showroom or something to check out diffrent feeling hardware 😅

[@bygraviity9004]

Hey will, just wanted to mention i've never had the 7 degree issue with the centering. Had a alpha U for a couple months now. Cheers

[@SimRacersHome]

We tried the GT NEO!!! It is absolutely amazing!!! 🤷🏻‍♂️ price is absolutely crazy

[@JakeKaminskisRacing]

I don't have any issues with my Alpha Ultimate and the wheel degree sensor. I set it on their software and it transfers fine over to iracing and assetto corsa with no issue registers on center each time.

[@HeavyHanded]

Can-Bus USB is used for Simagic pedals. I have my P1000's plugged in, nice and neat.

[@boostedmedia]

Ahh right! I’ve been running mine via USB directly. Haven’t finished the review of them yet. Didn’t realise you could run them directly off the base too. Does that also control the haptic motors and lights too?

[@HeavyHanded]

@@boostedmedia Not sure honestly, I have the two pedal setup so no LED and still waiting for my haptic motors to be delivered. You would assume so as its likely just a USB passthrough.

[@Killswitch73]

@@boostedmedianot sure on lights but I have my P2000 pedals in the can-bus of the Alpha U. The haptics work fine .You can also buy a Can-bus 4 port USB extension (only works with Simagic through the Can-bus) this is to then have accessories like the pedals, hand brake and shifters all through the can-bus all at once.

[@dragosbur]

@@boostedmedia Yes you can control them but only in simpro, for something else like simhub you still need to plug it directly to the PC

[@thesnowblindwizard]

@@boostedmediaIt does! I've got my P1000s with haptics and H/Sequential plugged into the canbus then into the base itself. This way with some games that are picky, it's all seen as one device and there's no issue. A benefit to plugging the pedals into the PC directly though is that the haptics will work with Simhub. Via canbus blocks that unfortunately due to the protocol it uses.

[@zeahroela]

I 'm really happy with my Alpha for more than a year, never had one issue including centering problems! Cheers!

[@CWS88]

Fantastic stuff, thanks for all of your hard work in getting these very helpful reviews to us.

[@internaljeremy726]

Speaking of Moza. Are you planning to review r16 and r21 v2 models and see how they compare to v1 models?

[@franckchalut]

*tip* always put handbrake closer to wheel, between shifter and wheel. Simagic steering looks weak, (bending) aftermarket looks like a must. I run 5nm on csl dd, its similar to my brz non hydraulic steering strength. If I upgrade I will probably go simagic, looks like they are the ones who care more about drifting. Great video ✌️

[@Chader9]

Related to the Canbus port, you can add their USB hub that offers 4 USB Ports. It mainly offers the advantage of allowing you to connect the wheel base to the PC, then all your Simagic brakes and shifters to the Canbus. This keeps to a single USB to PC connection for the base and up to 4 more devices to save USB Ports on the PC.

[@KluchaDJL]

just bought alpha and fx pro for my 1st dd and im amazed :D I had an opportunity to drive on qbic system 20nm dd with simucube fcore wheel and i can say that im not any less happy to drive with my setuop than with qbic system :D

[@YourLovelyJesus]

I have a moza myself, and along with wanting the GT NEO and my R9 having heating issues I'm considering swapping out tbh..

[@Turbonuotti]

I bought alpha mini and gts wheel 6months ago, racing only iracing, no centering issues at all, love the wheel and base

[@yanchevstanislav]

Most detailed comparison I've ever watched on youtube! You've done a really good job here as always! If you should place them in order 1. Simucube 2. Asetek closest runner to the lead or same as the above? 3. Simagic But where could you place the VRS as its price is very compelling 🙄 Is it more into the simagic category or more like the asetek and the king simucube?

[@Sile]

It's worth noting the Alpha Mini is listed as 10NM by Simagic, but has actually been tested to rate higher. Somewhere around 12-13NM. It's the best bang-for-buck direct drive motor on the market. (The test was done by an iRacing developer I believe and is on the iRacing forums somewhere)

[@Chader9]

He covers that detail in the video and mentions similar about the middle Alpha as well.

[@Sile]

@@Chader9Yeah which is good. Not many reviewers cover that bit of extra info. Also citing where I got the info from!

[@smokeybandit1020]

I believe Dan Suzuki was the other one that tested it at about 13nm as well.

[@Bigheadedwon]

He made a good point with him being able to notice slight differences because he's used every wheelbase out there. I'm shopping for my 1st sim setup. I'm certain if I bought a 10 year old Logitech G23 on Offerup I'd be beyond blown away. What he said made me think about what I just said. Without this video I would have bought the Ultimate, now I'm thinking the Mini, or Alpha at best. Thank you Will, while overall I won't save any money from this video, the 200-400 I'll "save" going with the Mini or Alpha can be put towards other parts of my build lol.

[@Psychos1s]

Patiently waiting for my very first direct direct base to ship that I ordered on Feb 26th. Decided to get the 'Alpha' so I wouldn't feel the need to ever upgrade unless new tech comes out that makes them obsolete. I did receive my P1000 pedals already but the GT Neo being on backorder was the issue. Hopefully ships any day now.

[@joeyg369]

Very cool video. Been looking at simagic since I saw their p1000s but now considering the wheel base. Waiting patiently for the p1000 video!

[@jess_o]

Hard to compete with the Neo at its price. What a nice wheel

[@alecmillea4539]

Keep in mind simagic pricing varies greatly depending on what country you live in. In Canada simagic is substantially cheaper than the prices quoted in this video in comparison to the competition from asetek, moza, fanatec and simucube. Moza is closest in value but still 10-20% more expensive. Be sure to check prices in your region.

[@Michelsen3K]

I live in switzerland. Simagic is about 10-20% more expensive than moza

[@ElectricTsunami]

Can almost guarantee it comes down to consumer laws. We have pretty strict consumer laws in Australia, Simagic alpha mini is 999 AUD by itself, Moza R9 is 799 AUD by itself.

[@alecmillea4539]

@@ElectricTsunami I think it’s very dependent on import taxes from China. Keep in mind the alpha mini is actually more similar in power to the moza R12 in testing performed by reviewers.

[@kenardy]

Perfect timing for me mate, looking for an upgrade from my Fanatec Clubsport V1!

[@peniu100]

I would love a video about 'semi-official' ways to connect the wheels to the playstation such as Sigma Cortex or Drive Hub - would be great to know what issues one might run into with these and what are you giving up. Playstation compatible wheels have pretty slim offering compared to the PC and it would be good to know if it is best to stick to those or are the other ways worth giving a shot.

[@richardople]

Hi Will thank you for the comparison. How do you feel Simagic compares to the VRS Direct Force Pro?

[@eightbitJuan]

Jumping off the Fanatec ship and going from a CSL DD to the Alpha Mini! Since I'd need to shell out almost $200 after tax to upgrade to QR2, Fanatec ended up presenting me a great excuse to bail

[@directorb06]

I have had my Alpha and P2000 for about 9 months, the wheel and base are great quality and feel. the P2000 Pedals are terrible the throttle damper has been leaking for a few months the pedals have a side to side play in them and the control board has stopped working and Extreme sim racing and Simagic will not email me back so I now have a $700 set of pedals that don't work anyone looking for pedals I wouldn't spend the money on them because now I'm buying another high end pedal set

[@unotoli]

Very detailed, honest and hence valuable review. Thank you PS if manufacturers don't share slew rate and torque numbers, maybe it makes sense to do in-house "non scientific" test with available tools? Would be interesting to see and may force manufacturers to reveal their numbers later ;)

[@Max__apex]

I love my Alpha base …. The MINI is also amazing and same details and power is also lovely at the top end hits

[@Kegetys]

I'd imagine the Alpha U would make sense when using larger rims. When I put a 360mm rim on my Alpha Mini it does feel quite weak and I suspect even the 15nm Alpha would not be quite enough.

[@iceyy0998]

got a simagic alpha mini and gt neo for couple of weeks now and would like to let you know that i didnt have the center issue.

[@EPiQ_cR]

My fanatec DD Pro does the off-center centering as well. It "Feels" like its related to the orientation of the magnets inside, and when the wheel is static it tends to struggle to rest at center.

[@blacknovella]

i replaced my DD1 with an Alpha U and it was a major upgrade and was totally worth it to me. no more feeling steps when turning the wheel and ffb was way more crisp. (i run iracing at 15nm)

[@darthmikey9180]

You can hook peripherals through the canbus port. I run my p1000 pedals through my alpha so I only need 1 usb to my pc.

[@grandpixel]

I'm actually more into VR and just ordered the Pimax Crystal Light, upgrading from HP Reverb G2. My brother is an airplane mechanic and is interested in flight sims. Somehow I came across this world of driving sims and really want to build one. But there is sooo much out there and a lot of it is foreign to me as a newb. I don't mind spending a bit of cash for good quality gear, but also my budget isn't limitless - not gonna spend 10 grand on this. After watching this video, I think the Simagic Alpha 15nm is a good base for me, and I'm under the impression that 2 different wheels would also be a good idea. Not sure about the pedals yet, but if I go with Simagic base, I'll probably stay within their eco system. As for the cockpit and chair etc, I'm really not sure, there are sooo many options out there. I'll probably get an 8020 aluminum setup of some kind because I really want it to be fully modular and be able to mount accessories as needed (especially for flight simming). I guess I need to just keep watching videos until I get a handle on it all. Any recommendations welcome!

[@Shiddyvet]

I only have $500 to spend which is why I just ordered a fanatec r2r 8nm setup. If I had more money I’d go simagic. Great video!!

[@chubbs6504]

Good choice bro .

[@eriknaamot]

Great video 🤩 Have Fanatec now, & i am happy! But seriously considering Sim Magic, especially for the pedals going forward :)

[@TrinTekTV]

I was torn between getting Moza or Simagic. You have my needle pointing to simagic now.

[@MaciejKosciuk]

So Fanatec DD1 or DD2 are so behind that it's not even worth comparing? :D

[@boostedmedia]

I believe Fanatec are just selling through existing stock. I don’t think they’re being made anymore. Happy to be corrected on that if I’m wrong. But yeah. Strength for strength these Simagic bases are better IMO. DD1/2 feel “last generation” now compared to current offerings from competitors and the CS DD/DD+

[@2amProFilms]

TLDR, yes. I switch from DD1 to Alpha U and its night and day difference!

[@Mr_jz_12]

Wouldn't touch fanatec these days with all their issues.

[@NinetyTres]

As far as high speed response, and smoothness, yes My friends DD+ is a step ahead of my DD1, kind of wish I didn't try his system out, sometimes ignorance is bliss

[@farukterzioglu8863]

Great video Will. Thanks for the great content you create! I used to have CSL DD 8 nm, now I have Simagic Mini Alpha. I think the suspension details were better in the CSL DD. What do you think? And secondly, have you had any heating problems?

[@Clubpenguin64]

Odd, never had that centering issue with my alpha mini, had it 2-3 years and centered in Simpro lines up with any game I’ve run. ACC, AC, iracing, dirt2, etc.

[@Max__apex]

I’ve never had centring issue also