FULLY INVOLVED House w/ Flashover (fire breakdown)

[@mike_pertz]

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[@bkane573]

You need to do a breakdown of the Juniata Terric fire in Mifflin county PA. Older videos but classic row home construction with fully connected attic. Attic flashed over, lifted the whole roof and multiple firefighters were thrown.

[@donaldwatters1657]

One thing I would have made clear is that an electric line on a metal fence energizes the entire fence.

[@mike_pertz]

That’s a very good point, I should have mentioned that.

[@LauRoot892]

Watt

[@supersoggycheese]

​​@@LauRoot892you sound like skeletor 😆

[@Lucanos]

@@LauRoot892is trying to Amp everyone up...

[@hughwoatmeigh6999]

You could do a video just on dealing with utilities. I owned a rural cabin that was fed directly off a 38 kV trunk line, with no fuses anywhere between the trunk, transformer, and house. If any line went down, nothing would have stopped the current until the wires melted. Compare this to a suburban house I owned that had a fuse between the 13.8 kV trunk and the transformer. If a line fell, and hit a metal fence like that, it would still be dangerous, but the fuse would have blown nearly instantly from the ground fault current. I think it's worthwhile to teach firefighters some electrical basics like that.

[@donalddodson7365]

Good job highlighting learning opportunities, without speculating on why the decisions being made were made. This would be a great incident to listen to the fire ground radio communications. I recognize that in so many parts of the US, there are many different agencies, many Volunteer, responding to these incidents. Also, reinforces the need for eyes and ears outside of the point of attack watching for all the safety issues: electrical lines, exposures outside of a particular Company's assignment, etc. Well done. Thank you.

[@LauRoot892]

Dodson 🙃

[@tamelailes8166]

The biggest criticism I have is the placement of the tower ladder. In a small, confined area like that, with a lot of overhead lines, I feel they would have been better off by having another engine forward, instead of the truck company. A deck gun could have been put in service much faster and applied a master stream to the Delta side, and the roof. Getting the ladder in service was taking too long, and all of the overhead lines make it a much slower process due to the safety concerns.

[@Master-ls2op]

not all engines have deck guns. or master screams.

[@jackclark1994]

I'm wondering why they even tried to use a ladder on a single story home... would have been a lot more use in getting those two on the ladder to just pull a line and soak it.

[@JV-pu8kx]

Another justification for having the utilities burried.

[@JB91710]

A tower for a tiny, one-story structure is of, no use. The Deck Gun wouldn't have had a good Line of Sight on that window and the contents of the room.

[@northnorthsouth1]

Always have to make room for the truck to take the front.

[@calebcordle1725]

I’m going to start my studying for the fire academy in the next few days. These videos are the type of videos that are helping me so much underarms situational awareness of the fire scene and get good practice when it comes to taking situational exams

[@peterjermyn5785]

I like how you're careful not to criticize anyone on scene and acknowledge you were not there this will help your video's and your peers will support you as well

[@JB91710]

When mistakes are clearly exposed, criticism exposes incompetence and can save lives in the future. You absolutely critic workers, you don't just feel they are doing it right Just because they joined up, dressed up and showed up.

[@slyfox7429]

My main concern is the delta side was not addressed with priority which could have prevented the alpha from flash over

[@ExeQtd]

This is exactly why things should be evaluated.. I live in the Netherlands, whenever theres a fire here, the moment our firefighters dismount they are ready. Absolute ready. Our trucks carry water for at least a few minutes, in the meantime 2 crew members make sure to gain more water from the hydrants. The fact that this took literally minutes untill they put on water on the fire is mind boggling to me.

[@perryfire1]

Are transitional fire attacks not universally taught throughout the U.S. anymore? I'm just repeating what Mike is saying about hitting the D side but I'm confused why that wasn't the default attack for that type of fire? Make a quick hit from the outside and then make entry? When I started in the fire service it was strictly work from the unburned to the burned, but thank goodness our tactics changed over the years. This fire made me think of my early days. The IC dropped the ball on this one. He should have repositioned his men much earlier and recognized that porch and front room were going to light off but more importantly that the interior attack wasn't working. I'm sure they were hitting fire inside but they were no where near the seat because the fire continued to grow in the rear. The guys inside can't see what the IC is seeing and nobody wants to be pulled out but man you've got to make a change when the plan isn't working. A couple points on the tower: If you are going to flow the big stick then it has to be given enough water. Either the tower wasn't being pumped or the hydrant feeding it wasn't adequate and that was why the two streams looked so weak. Better to shut one down and get one good stream until the supply is there. I'm guessing all of those handlines were being supplied by the same hydrant or grid. The master stream flowed correctly is going to put out the bulk of the fire so we need to be careful that we don't steal from it, and sometimes that means shutting down the handlines until the ladder can finish its job. Remember that the handlines weren't getting the job done and that is why the ladder went up. I wasn't there so all of this is speculation, take it as you will.

[@andyoxleyonhistravels]

Always good to give it a quick hit from the outside if you have time before going inside. Makes life much easier.

[@cut-zonevideos406]

Another expertly constructed, and intellectual video to help counteract the downplay of the internet now-a-days! Thank you as always!

[@mikemuppet3807]

I remember this fire and the after affect, and from what I can remember I may be wrong though and that is the battalion chief was suspended for negligence at this event. Also you were correct about the line being yanked from one of the fighters hands which was also an act of one of the chiefs there may be the same guy that was suspended. Another thing you will also take notice of and it may not show all the activity on this particular video but there was near 7 firefighters that were inactive at this scene and 2 inactive lines but I do not know the reason for that.

[@LauRoot892]

Hmm 🧐

[@danielgossett2550]

Definitely no one got suspended from this fire. The biggest problem with this one was the house was being used to make chips for a local Mexican restaurant. The amount of cooking oil inside this house was unbelievable. I assure you it was intense but no one was suspended. I was on one of the lines in this fire. Very great points you brought up.

[@RyanPolaren]

@@danielgossett2550 Why did the firefighter with red hard hat yank the line off his "attacker" or number 1? As Firefighternow said, that number 1 firefighter may have had the idea to go Delta side.

[@paulconroy2690]

Love your content! I am also a firefighter in 🇨🇦. As a firefighter you are always learning and adapting to situations, and your content helps highlight negative and positive..everyone can learn from the videos. This fire scene looked very confusing and not a lot of structure on where everyone was supposed to be.

[@23Firedude]

You were right about protecting the exposure on the delta side. When I was a firefighter the priority was 1. Rescue 2. Protect exposures 3. Contain the fire 4. Extinguish the fire 5. Overhaul Meanwhile salvage and ventilation are taking place. I do have one question. Could they have used the truck to put up a water curtain between the two houses? Another thing I noticed is that the firefighters in the basket were not wearing SCBA. With that much smoke full turnouts including SCBA should be used even on the outside of the house. I’m not going to knock those firefighters they did a good job of knocking down the fire. Keep up the great work with your videos.

[@jeffersonclary3017]

This is a good training video of what not to do!! Glad all were safe!

[@LauRoot892]

Hey Jeff

[@danielwitz958]

You give good explinations, most people don't know the meaning of dynamics and can only see a single poing of view

[@Q1745]

Not shown here but in the original video the videographer pulled up in his personal vehicle and you could see an engine on the Delta side of the Delta exposure. Not being able to see any more than what the camera is catching, I can only speculate that this engine may have been tasked with coming in behind the Delta exposure for protection. I don’t see them Charlie side, doesn’t mean they aren’t there. Also, in the original, at the 2:30 mark it is obvious that _someone_ was thinking about exposure protection as a handline was stretched to the Delta side and only needed to be charged to be put in service. There was someone on the nozzle with a dry line but he was called away before he had water. Funny how the cameraman followed the power lines to their feeder connection and then back to the house just seconds before they detached. You are spot on about the metal roofs. Even though there was some flame venting from the peak, that’s only a fraction needed to vent not only the heat but also the smoke. That is why there was a huge volume of turbulent smoke coming from Alpha, Delta and most likely the Charlie sides of the fire building. Too bad there was an apparent supply issue to the truck. The original video is definitely beneficial to watch! Edit to add this: watching the siding of the Delta exposure, it is not melting (aluminum siding?) and that may have affected decisions made on this fireground.

[@LauRoot892]

🧐

[@byronbotts2789]

as a captain, I could see command system in place... one of first thing I do was pull back on alpha side and notify everyone that we're going to defensive... my thought on is the heavy black smoke rolling low... that's telling me that there a lot of BTU coming out... if one notice when the hand line started working on bravo side that smoke started changing color from very black to gray color... so, they was getting to some of the have heavy fire... very concern about Delta side... the ladder truck was very slow... my thoughts is that would be one thing for training day to see it could become more efficient in set up... like these videos, good to look over fire scenes to learn more about chemistry of fire and it's reaction to the environment...

[@SD45-ET44AC]

I know lots of information from bring a volunteer FF, EMS, EMT-C, RN, BCERN, CNOR, ACLS-I, ... ALPHABET soup. But I give you a lot of credit for critiquing these videos and Teaching the Community as a whole and emphasizing that you are not criticizing anyone as we can All take something from watching this live feed. Thank you!

[@LauRoot892]

Step 👋

[@marcopstal3464]

I am surprised about the comments of the B-side. The change in the smoke shows that a significant amount of water is doing it's job because the smoke turns white (steam). This is not a result of the line on the A side and cleary there is no real extinguishing effort on the D side. In my opinion the B line is reaching the seat of the fire, perhaps through a window.

[@whermanntx]

That powerline draped on that chain link fence. Lucky no one contacting that fence got shocked.

[@LauRoot892]

Mann 🙃

[@calyodelphi124]

You could tell just how INTENSELY HOT that fire was getting prior to the flashover, just by watching how aggressively the flames poured out of the upstairs window on the delta side of that house fire.

[@RedT...TheOriginal.NotANumber]

I'm surprised no one commented about C side. The first firefighter we see attacking D came around from C. Just a guess, since it's not on video at all, but I bet C was even worse than D, and needed to be contained first. This is based on that firefighter's direction of approach (as I mentioned) and the fact that C side is where the back door is, and usually a decent number of windows.

[@davidglaum2538]

Just found your channel . I remember watching this video some time ago and thinking the same as you. It is great to see someone in y tube that knows what they are talking about when it comes to fire videos. I was on the job a long time ago.

[@wvhappykatz]

Great teaching video! Incident command is always important but especially when it involves multiple companies. It's bad when bystanders have to point out dangers though. Great things to be discussed and learned.

[@JB91710]

1:20 Size up. As you arrive, you can see fire on the porch and coming out of the right-side window. No, not the D or Delta Side, it's the Right Side. There is no confusion that that is the Right Side. You lay in the hydrant line and park the engine, which should Always be the first piece at any residential fire, at the end of the driveway which would give the quickest access to the main body of fire. The engineer steps out and activates the pump. One firefighter should pull the fastest water applicator, which is the booster line or a 1-3/4" line and extinguish the porch and then go directly to the fireroom window to soak the contents. By eliminating the main body of fire, you are eliminating the ignition source for all the flammable gasses throughout the structure. With the main body of fire knocked down, you open the front door to cool the gasses and help to blow the gasses out the fireroom window. You then vent the left side windows to take advantage of the wind direction to further vent the gasses. You enter a much safer interior to search and mop up. By quickly eliminating the threats, heat and smoke, you have protected any victims inside and the entering firefighters. Entry into the structure could have been accomplished in the first minute of arrival. There was enough manpower there to accomplish all those events in a very close and coordinated manor. Extinguish, door, window, entry.

[@jreese46]

Always learn something from these videos. Thank you.

[@davearnold9328]

Really enjoy your critiques but one very minor and really unimportant point. These are not 1960's/70s constructed houses. The neighborhood was most probably built in the 1920s to about 1950 (or even before). By the 1950's you saw the cookie cutter homes being constructed in the suburbs or outskirts to satisfy the crushing demand for homes by people returning from WWII.

[@LauRoot892]

Arnold 🙂

[@tnzayatz6579]

You were (are) right, they needed a 2 1/2 on the Delta side and really on the Alpha once manpower permitted instead of that initial pre-connect. Seem to have forgotten Emanuel Fried (Fireground Tactics) Locate, Confine, Extinguish; IN THAT ORDER.

[@tacocat1492]

Thanks for the video it was very educational 👍

[@JustaNormalGuy115]

Check out European firefighters, please. Mainly Dutch firefighters. They are top-notch IMO. I feel like their tactics, trucks, and equipment differ a lot from American ones so they would make for a great comparison. Thanks!

[@Squad61]

Thanks for the compliment, but we don't deserve it. Take a look at the BSPP, there the best of the best.

[@oscarosullivan4513]

What about Dublin Fire brigade

[@greenpedal370]

It seems to me the European method of initially approaching a fire it totally different to what we see here. The Europeans get water on within a minute or two.

[@RhiaBlack]

Holy cow, that's 2 houses down from my uncle's old house. Wooooooow! And yes, those houses are OLD. Some of them were built in the 50s. A lot of them have basements, also, and/or built on inclined foundations/embankments. A lot of suburb Winston-Salem is older homes, especially as you get closer to Kernersville and High Point.

[@r.j.dunfee2882]

First out of truck, grab irons. Second is drop ax. Halligan Tool best ever designed! Forced entry and overhaul, best weapon! Only 4' long, I'm old school

[@r.j.dunfee2882]

@@LauRoot892 hello.

[@r.j.dunfee2882]

Maryland

[@r.j.dunfee2882]

Sure, I'll talk. I'm old, you look much younger.

[@jimkeappock7558]

There is NO problem utilizing a a Tower Ladder, in this or any 1 or 2 story or bigger. As long as the safety of ALL are considered. Especially, if an exterior attack decision has been made!! Good video, Good Learning points!!

[@LauRoot892]

Jim 👋

[@davidj7239]

It’s hard when you have no hydrants. It looks like the first due dumped their tank on the garage and had to wait for a water supply to be established. They slowed the rate of fire spread. That said they should have pulled the second line into the front door and third line to the floor above so they could quickly make a push when water was re-established. Good foreground communication. Good command. Nice save. It looks like they did a good job opening up.

[@igobygio]

With mid mount tower/ladders (I drive an SPH Sutphen) they recommend a 15 degree angle so you can scrub the whole front if needed without hitting the cab.

[@LauRoot892]

David

[@robertgildea2841]

I am watching from Elmira NY Elmira fire department and even the West Elmira volunteer fire department has flashovers happen a lot of times

[@ralphbove]

You do a nice job with your assessment and overview. Funny, the first 3 things out of your mouth I was thinking the same. I enjoy having a coffee and watching these. Spent 31 years on the job in the biggest Midwest city department.

[@LauRoot892]

Oh seriously ?

[@tionnaleblanc9322]

Would you ever be able to do a video of you doing a shift and we can get an inside perspective of what it’s like in a fire station?

[@stacybearss2606]

That would be a cool video

[@jadsmvs8651]

Would be cool, but some departments have strict social media policies and/or it might not be feasible. If he can, I would love to see what his shifts look like.

[@oscarosullivan4513]

Fire and Rescue rare name in America

[@starboi4548]

@@oscarosullivan4513 ???

[@brrrt7623]

@@oscarosullivan4513 no, fire rescue and ems are pretty prolific

[@davidglaum2538]

I remember watching this video about a year ago and thinking a lot can go wrong at this fire.

[@LauRoot892]

David 👋

[@kenbrown2808]

I am reminded of a training session where we were showed a video of the first due crews taking five minutes to establish water supply and lay out attack lines before ever opening a nozzle. the official point made by the training officer: "that is embarrassing. trucks carry water for a reason. the quicker you can get quicker you get water on a fire, the better the outcome" my biggest criticism of that scene is they appeared to be in a "ladder first" mindset instead of a "water first" mindset. another lesson from an oldtimer: "if you can blow out the fire, it stops the clock."

[@seanm4770]

I love these videos! Thanks for all your advice

[@trevjr]

Just started watching fire videos and my common sense is mostly right without knowing anything about fighting fires. My main complaint in a lot of the videos is how long it takes to get water on these fires. I am looking forward to learning a lot more with your videos. Thanks!!

[@GilmerJohn]

Amen.

[@watchthe1369]

This is all like California and Southwest Mc Mansionville development. Exposure is always going to take at least 1 hose. an uncharged hose is out and sitting by the exposure. Screw the ladder, get the water on the fire to get it out quicker. The main stream is for containment, final blow not the promary focus, especially when you are pinned in by powrlines. I would be tempted to send the ladder down the street and use their man power as the RIT since it has the gear.

[@barroningram7286]

seeing truck 5 looks like south east winston this tin top house could've been built in the 50s

[@ZBeeb]

Hi... something I haven't heard mentioned by anyone... That power feed was on fire (OK, the plastic insulation on the outside of the wire was on fire), and insulation would have also been impacted by radiant heat from the structure too. When it fell away from the house what was left was an amount of wire, with either no insulation or compromised insulation, being fed from the power pole. It MUST be assumed the line is still energized. So an energized line is now laying across the phone line, and drapes down to the ground, where it rests on the metal fence. No or compromised insulation on an energized power line resting on a metal fence structure - Surely the entire front fence line on the Alpha Delta side is an extreme hazard and should be protected? If not, why not?

[@EightiesTV]

Because the voltage-carrying conductors are 120 volts AC with respect to ground, contacting an inherently grounded object. The real danger with these is the molten aluminum splattering when they arc across the three conductors. Short of planting your bare feet on wet ground and grabbing the end, they pose a laughably low hazard for electrocution compared to the uninsulated distribution lines at the street. Those carry tens of thousands of volts and can instantly kill people great distances from the fault when they contact conductive objects such as fences, or even stepping on the ground 20 feet from where the circuit enters the dirt. Sure, you can use a one-size-fits-all approach and treat every conductor (like cable tv lines) as potentially carrying distribution voltage. But you wouldn't treat a one story residential structure fire the same as a fire at an ammunition plant because one size fits none.

[@richardrenfroe676]

I heard you say this is in North Carolina so most likely the house was built with mostly pine that was at least partly green when it was built so it’s probably got fat lighter in it so it’s gonna be harder to douse this fire

[@LauRoot892]

Renfroe 🤔

[@EllertWattis]

The Winnipeg firefighters are fully prepared to fight the fire soon as they arrive the pumper has about 500 gallons water for the first attack line and they would catch a hydrant on the way in😊

[@Prizzlesticks]

It looked like the guy who had the hose yanked from his hand was himself reaching to pull back another firefighter who was headed to the delta side, and the one who pulled on the hose thought he was headed that way instead of pulling someone else back. It appeared to me that they all expected the smoke would ignite and chose to step back for safety. Right after, a crew running by to that side with a hose, but from a further distance, and then a crew pops outta nowhere from the back to do the same, so it seems like it was a safety call rather than ineptitude. They were all just too close to the smoke for comfort, and whoever was in charge perhaps made the call to pull them back and have the other teams handle it from a safer distance.

[@michaelmontecalvo8456]

I agree with your assessment. What I don't understand is why not pull a 21/2 to hit the D side? It would have been faster to achieve a knock down instead of letting it free burn.

[@ofcv1238]

Totally agree on “using ladder truck” - think they had water supply issues

[@icysteve46]

I've watched a few (quite a few) video's that I have had anxiety attacks over the amount of time passing before water is put to the fire. I just started thinking that it was just normal operating perceadure to take 20 to 30 min after arriving to put water down range

[@Master-ls2op]

looks like they may be going through the other yard to get to the backyard. i have seen that happen due to water access problems. ladder will help with visibility of the entire situation.

[@eliasthienpont6330]

Damn Ladder truck is in the way. Should have pulled up further. Too many engines are stuck behind him.

[@LauRoot892]

🤔

[@anthonyhurst5898]

It’s also self venting at the to .. adding to the combustion.. with a fire this far along , I would have pulled back and went defensively

[@Atvsrawsome]

The ladder truck is a smoke em if you got em kinda deal. I see it quite a bit in my area.

[@eliasthienpont6330]

An issue that might be considered is that this is a very old neighborhood and therefore has very old water mains that may not have the capacity to supply modern firefighting equipment. Even in New York City they frequently have to relay water in via several engines. The water from the tower was rather wimpy looking. How much on-board water do those engines carry? Someone may have been looking for water instead of using the on-board supply at once.

[@badgercdlyons]

They got the ladder up after the house burned down.

[@Lucanos]

With the "A/B/C/D" Sides, they're obvious when you are practiced in them, or if you draw a sketch map, but I've found training it can sometimes be challenging. So instead, I tell them that, if the house is on fire, it's "BAD, Charlie" - left to right looking from the front, you have "B/A/D" and Charlie's out the back.

[@andres-vi1uy]

I'm not a fire fighter so I'm coming from a pretty ignorant place, but is it possible they're not putting water on the D side because of the powerline? Because I think the water is conductive enough to be hazardous for the fire fighter if it touches the power line? (it looks like it's connected on the Delta side)

[@jamesmccall8396]

Any reason you would note why pressure was so low with the two lines coming from the ladder?

[@LauRoot892]

McCall

[@Jhihmoac]

60s or 70s construction? I'd say it was a good deal older than that, but more recent-built structures are known to burn even faster with all the "spit & glue" type materials utilized nowadays... "Higher price yields at cheaper building costs" are order of the day! As for this fire? I'm no armchair expert; my uncle was a fireman, and I just recall what he would point out to me via old video footage... Judging from the smoke content, I'd say that was a hot burning fire with mucho hot gasses building up inside with very little venting going on... A prime candidate for flashover conditions!

[@LauRoot892]

🙄

[@nwvfd22]

Putting the water on the bravo side with what looks like a master stream or something big, I'd put it down to worrying about 'pushing' the fire into the structure. That is an old time way of thinking about fire attack, that 'water pushes fire'. Also maybe tunnel vision of establishing a water supply, making connections, didn't look like too understaffed. Who knows. But in the end it was contained to the fire building and not the exposures.

[@kurtisyoder4423]

Nice breakdown!

[@LauRoot892]

🤣

[@ovni2295]

I notice once they were getting the water onto the building, the smoke lightened drastically in color. Would that be steam from the water?

[@jobskinner833]

I used to think it was "fully engulfed" my dad was volunteer so we had a scanner in the house.

[@jobskinner833]

@@LauRoot892 howdy

[@samandmikikhardian1117]

what I have seen with flashovers is I can tell one is imminent when the smoke changes direction (i.e. the smoke starts going upward instead of to the side)

[@marc-andrebenoit5776]

For me, and again I wasn't there, that metal roof is a hindrance. But that chimney port could have been a good vent hold if that ladder truck would have stretched and a team could have opened it there without leaving the ladder.

[@DRFelGood]

Great context and content 🚒🚒🚒💪

[@robthetinmang1455]

Is it me or does that stream from the ladder seem really light? Also, wouldn't deck gun used earlier be a good idea?

[@MegaMantim]

Wise old fire Captain said to me when I was a rookie, if its rolling out of window go in and get it, if its rolling out of 2, hit it with a 2 and a half from the outside...

[@ph11p3540]

Those houses don't look like they were built in the 1970s. They look like they were built in the 1930s and they are space very far apart from each other compared to modern homes. Modern neighborhoods build their homes within 4 feet of each other unless it's an upscale neighborhood full of dream homes. In a modern neighborhood, by the time the fire department has reached the scene of the fire, at least two homes are fully engulfed. Given the type of neighborhood, fire hydrant line reliability is highly questionable in half the US cities given city administrations extreme penny wise and pound foolish cost cutting measures. Fire trucks are tangible and seeable and are less likely to see cost cutting unlike hidden infrastructure that is out of site and out of mind.

[@LauRoot892]

Mulligan 😒

[@nate3452]

Inside this flash drive right here

[@Leland1410]

Lol

[@JPINFV]

So... stupid question here. Obviously you don't want opposing hand lines. However metal roofs conducting heat works both ways... Is there any use in just streaming an extra line onto the metal roof for some evaporation cooling?

[@nopenope5203]

At 12:33 you can see there is another firefighter with a house hitting the back side or charlie as you phrased it. That might've been why they weren't hitting the Delta side from this point of view. There might've been someone doing something about it on the back end that we couldn't see.

[@sergeantb708]

my first thought is to move the hose ontop of the fence

[@fighterpilot5105]

All they needed was a UH-60 and a bambi bucket...

[@LauRoot892]

Randall 👅

[@Sodiumreactor]

As a non-firefighter I only have two words: Master Stream. That would be my answer to every fire!

[@matthewmccormick2417]

I see where many in command fail because they dont stand back to see full picture and use those under like captains on the 4 sides to let them know what they cant see.

[@matthewmccormick2417]

@@LauRoot892 Hello, Hope you had a great weekend

[@matthewmccormick2417]

@@LauRoot892 Sorry you didnt :( I am from Kenosha Wisconsin and i am 54 years old. Yes i am single/widowed

[@matthewmccormick2417]

@@LauRoot892 i got ya :)

[@eliasthienpont6330]

Ladder Truck is Necessary, It provides huge volumes of water at high pressure. As a different thought, re: Drought out west vs the externally large quantity that some US fire services use. Lake Mead does not have all that much water left. Russians are very frugal with the amount of water they use, most places do not have access to the water mains, they only have what they bring with them on the truck. Perhaps out west where there is space, no exposures It may be time to just let the structure burn to the ground and save the water. They are not building desalinization plants fast enough and soon water is going to be very expensive. They should have started building desalinization plants ten years ago, and they still have their heads where the sun does not shine.

[@tacocat1492]

Prayers for NYC 🙏😔

[@davep4610]

I am not a firefighter, but have listened to fire incidents on the scanner for many years. The fire department in this video seems like how the Three Stooges would fight a fire. Way too many FF's standing around, doing nothing, and nobody putting water on the fire for a long time.

[@LauRoot892]

Dave 🧐

[@chainsaw5vent]

At the 10:55 mark. The preconnect looks very limp. Water supply problems??

[@blauskie]

Let me start by saying that I know absolutely nothing about firefighting. But, it is often frustrating to me to see how long after arrival it takes for firefighters to actually get water on the fire. Maybe trucks could have a short hose already connected so that a firefighter could grab it and immediately start spraying the fire while fellow firefighters drag out lines, plan strategy, communicate those plans, haul gear, connect hoses to hydrants and trucks, level the truck, etc. When they are ready, connect the new line to a Y valve with separate shutoffs or some such setup. Meanwhile, during this time, someone has been getting water on the fire. Much smarter and more experienced people have undoubtedly spent years studying this but I just don't think it should take five minutes before water starts being sprayed on a fire.

[@rickycline6990]

one thing that tell everyone about if that power lines fall and lay on that chain link fence can shock them and even kill them watch for that 2 them power lines land on that fence will travle the hole chain link fence not trying to be mean but watch for that im a firefighter at the big creek fire dept

[@rickycline6990]

now if look at that power line is laying on that fence so if theres power on that and u touch that fence it could kill u remember that

[@LauRoot892]

Cline 🪺

[@nickmad887]

Thanks

[@jonathancouch6261]

Water on delta side where the fire was should been the main focus while waiting for the ladder truck and save the other home

[@ronaldking2619]

Not a arm chair quarterback here, but why are they going offensive? They have active fire outside that was not addressed and indications of intense fire activity inside. The smoke conditions and intensity is an indication of how bad things are. They also have fire on the exterior that is not addressed. Unless this is a search and rescue scenario, what is the point of risking firefighter's lives? Open to all responses on this.

[@LauRoot892]

King 👑

[@anthonyhorsey3369]

When they saw the smoke rolling and oxidizing that is a clear sign that the smoke is hot and getting ready to flash over, and that video I think that the reason why they could not attack the Delta side it's because they was watching the power line above which had already sparked

[@davidcarroll965]

Did interior crew push fire out D side, looks like it !

[@atstepchild]

Watching the quint sprays, I kept thinking 'dron't cross the streams'.

[@jonstefanik9400]

The neighbor was lucky that powerline came down before they hosed their house.

[@TimCarrollTX]

The fact that upon arrival any entry was entertained is kind of scary. Low rolling heavy smoke with heavy fire and critical exposures on the delta side. I would have immediately gone into a defensive attack and setup the truck further ahead and an engine and master supply to a deck gun accessing the delta side, that truck is going to be 'useless' until that metal roof is no longer a variable.

[@grumpycat4584]

I haven't seen anyone commenting on the possibility of the metal fence becoming energized by the fallen triplex service conductors.

[@LauRoot892]

Cat 🐈‍⬛

[@GilmerJohn]

There are several things working on "our" side. Once, the fence itself is grounded somewhat and will end up with a voltage less than the full 120. But second, what shocks is a voltage difference. If you are standing on the ground next to the metal fence, your feet are closer in voltage to the fence than true ground. Finally, of course, the protective gear should give a bit of protection. BTW: in much of the world, the ordinary voltage to ground is about twice as high as it is in the US.

[@shyowl3453]

I wonder about using the ladder with all those power lines around, that just seems sketchy to me

[@billmiller3425]

Looks like you're wearing an Apollo space suit.

[@Bjohan75]

They seems to have very low pressure in that deck gun on the ladder basket

[@dougvogt8058]

Of course the first priority is human life, but in my opinion, the next priority should be to protect exposures. If putting out the fire is the best way to do that, then that should be the plan. I feel like an attack on the D side should have been first priority, in order to protect the exposure on that side- again, assuming that there was no one in the house.

[@derpycwc]

Quickly turned into a surround and drown situation

[@mcspanky6612]

Isn’t it bad to spray water near a potentially damaged power line?