HUGE attic fire EASILY handled by Syracuse FD

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[@Gino91481]

The kid filming was a teenager at the time. He is now a FF with Syracuse FD

[@oscarosullivan4513]

Didn’t know that

[@EllertWattis]

Always have a charged line when entering the building

[@AStrangeTree]

I just want to say you’re videos are an invaluable learning resource. I would watch helmet cam footage during fire academy, but it confused me because there’s so much I would see which would go against what we were taught or just didn’t seem to make sense. It helps so much to orientate what I’m seeing with the lens of experience you provide, pointing out what they did well, what wasn’t very effective or just why they did what they did.

[@mattt198654321]

Orientate is not a word

[@dingobiscut]

​@mattt198654321 get back under your bridge, troll 🧌

[@mackflickerson6722]

In our city, and I suspect in Syracuse as well, this house is almost definitely a ballon frame construction. It does appear to be a cut-and-dry attic fire, however, an early basement check is imperative. It is completely possible to have this exterior presentation, with a raging basement fire walking through the voice spaces and showing itself from the attic. I'm sure these guys are aware, and it was communicated quietly, but for those who are less-experiences or have limited familiarity of this type of building stock, something to keep in mind. Agree 100% with stretching dry lines for upper floor fires. That water would NOT have been as fast had they gone in with charged lines from the street.

[@danfd26233]

Was going to say the exact same thing, we have a ton of these houses by me

[@mikeysan01]

Excellent point. I wouldn't have thought of that, but fairly sure that form of construction isn't common around here.

[@mackflickerson6722]

@@mikeysan01 around where? Do you have single family homes that were built during the world wars? You probably have balloon frame construction.

[@mikeysan01]

@@mackflickerson6722 I live in Upstate SC. Most homes around here are single story, though one does see a few two-story wood houses which are from the early 1900s. Small mill homes are common, and brick ranch style houses.

[@mackflickerson6722]

@@mikeysan01 touche. Not as big a deal in single-story homes, but the propensity of a raging basement fire to show itself initially as an attic fire is still real. Basement checks (early) save lives.

[@tnzayatz6579]

These guys are really professional,They are all moving with a purpose. Now to the dry lines-90% of my time on the job we advanced the line dry because of interior layout (corners, debris, all the stuff pointed out.) having said this though, you MUST have a pump operator who knows his job and is utterly reliable otherwise you are in deep stuff. Makes a big difference when you can get in without a lot of “drama”

[@michael7324]

Very true. You have to know and trust the entire crew.

[@briananderson8733]

Thank you for the narration on a fire. As a non-firefighter watching a fire fight, I don't always understand what is going on and why. Your narration is helping me learn. Syracuse FD did a good job on this fire.

[@aportman58]

I have been in the fire service for 30 plus years and am a hardcore for advancing with a dry line especially when you 99% know where the fire is located!!! Great jib SFD!

[@andyoxleyonhistravels]

Advancing with a dry line ? No wonder you lodd and seriously injured figures are so bad.

[@engine2truck6]

FANTASTIC commentary. Buffalo NY....Rochester NY.,..Syracuse NY very similar size, construction, and response numbers (750 - 1,000 structure fires annually). I worked Rochester FD for 25 years, now in a small town in Utah. I agree with EVERY SINGLE COMMENT MADE HERE. Also.... I would never wait for the line to be charged in this situation and likely would not mask up until I reached the bottom of the attic stairs and called for water.

[@jtburton4624]

I'm getting into fire/med now, I feel being a plumber for 2 decades gives me a slight advantage in knowing what the inside of a house will look like. Love the channel btw it's been a go to for info.

[@mike_pertz]

Your knowledge of building construction will definitely help!

[@sfd243]

I came in to one of your videos from Syracuse FD, I’ve been with the department for 22 years. Our general orders are very specific as to your job on the fire scene.

[@centralnewyorkresponses7887]

good point to make with Syracuse with helmet colors: Black is engine companies, Red is truck companies, Yellow is the squad, and White is chiefs and the rescue. I don’t know any other departments that do this, but it helps with command to identify their guys.

[@danieldohanich77]

NY firefighter here. I can say that everything I see on my local news sources regarding Syracuse FD is spot on. Never worked with or for this department before. However, I’d like to be employed by them some day.

[@texasranger24]

I have to agree, very good work. Especially the quick movement with the uncharged line. Speaking from my experience in Europe where city blocks are nonexistent and every street is narrow chaos, there are almost no pre-connect lines. Maybe one quick attack line for dumpsters and small car fires on the entire truck. Instead, you have 3" lines with a tripple-Y-splitter. They get placed at the front door of the house or apartment building. Then you can run your three 1.5" or 2" lines from there. If you run with hose packages even a 2nd interrupter is possible to have water only when and where you need it.

[@firstduestachecrew6766]

Breath of fresh air seeing a video like this. As always, great breakdown and commentary

[@PaulFisherNYC]

Thank You for what you do - your commentaries and explanations are as well executed as this Syracuse FD's attack, especially valuable for this relatively new Firefighter.

[@engine2truck6]

Props to the man on the Pipe. GREAT work, fighting from the INSIDE. Also, any nozzleman who has been in a few of these workers KNOWS the value of the vertical venting that these guys are about to employ.

[@eduardolopezesparza2157]

Hey I just appreciate you being humble, honest, and down to earth at all times!! But you are making some killer videos!!

[@mike_pertz]

Thanks man, I appreciate the kind words! Thanks for watching!

[@darkn1t]

I work for Milwaukee fire and this video is very similar to how our fires go down. I will say our trucks don’t start the tools on the ground before going up, but everyday the tools are started and ran for a bit.

[@engine2truck6]

Milwaukee FD is LEGIT.

[@RLTtizME]

I never would have noticed that blaze without the white arrow. Thank you.

[@6.8SuperDutyDriver]

SFD is badass. I grew up in Station 17's AO. Was in junior high when they built the new Firehouse at Burnet and Midler.

[@bsimpson505]

I felt for that poor man lugging that giant roof ladder up. Bet that was a smoker. Thanks for your breakdown videos, class act as always. I learn a ton.

[@cnyfirevideos8019]

Actually we only run 11 stations and at the time of this video we only had 322 members comprising of four shifts a b c and d for approximately 32 square miles most of which is residential with a population of 144,000 and 300,000 during the weekday for those who come into downtown to work recently we just got a Federal grant that allowed us to hire 12 more members on top of the seven that we just finished training

[@thecouple4180]

Good work! As a retired city of Portland (OREGON) with 25 years of service, I felt like I was watching how we did it in Portland!

[@phatboizbackyardkustomz9006]

Yup, that's the way it should be done. Those guys have their shit together, imagine they are a seat assigned department( everyone knows what they are doing before exiting the rig). And I have no problem with a dry hose makes life easier in multiple stories and their chauffeur is on point. Strong work fellas'

[@michaelperkins3003]

Taking the dry line to the 3rd floor was genius! Saved time, air, energy and fatigue. Brilliant. Make your tactic applicable to the event.

[@wvhappykatz]

Even though they went in with dry lines, the pump operator was cranking up the pumps. Our co. Has done it. You can hear the change in the engine sounds. This group shows fantastic teamwork and awesome experience. The communication and command is impressive. Well done! I would be honored to run with any of these units!

[@Nervegas]

Nothing wrong with bringing a dry line as long as you keep the risks and strategy changes in mind. Absolutely strong work by SFD here.

[@fyrman9092]

It's coordination with the driver also. The driver waits for the officer to call for water, but sometimes they have a 6th sense and send it at the right time.

[@paulconroy2690]

Another great video! It's nice to see a crew that gets in there and knows there tasks.. quick work! Everyone on scene is doing something. Third hand line on the bravo side, ladders on bravo and delta side. Great job!

[@Nade375]

The engine companies in my city here in North NJ mainly pull dry lines to all upper floor fires like the 2nd, 3rd, 4th floor residential. They run charged lines for basement and first floors unless weird circumstances exist.

[@danielcarney6193]

Videos like this make great teaching tools for those early in their career and even for the old salty guys as well that have become a little lax in their response. One thing I could add but not a 100% required tactic, and not possible with a dry line entry/ advancement to the heart of thr fire, is to have a charged line outside to and use that to cool a self ventilated opening or portion of the structure. Helps take a little bit of that heat out as the interior crew advances to where they engage with water in the interior

[@floodkidsgaming7430]

hello Syracuse resident here...the Syracuse FD is a paid city department with 11 stations and a 8 man HAZMAT team on constant stand-by.

[@Alex-mo9qt]

Thanks for making these videos! as a LEO we dont get a whole lot of training on firefighting stuff so these videos are a great resource

[@watchthe1369]

Truck did a progressive lay in, had water upon arrival, cut hoses in the door and water on it within about 2 minutes. Everyone has an assignment they are working with a purpose and a will. They are showing the same energy as Stockton FD in California.

[@sfd243]

In Syracuse, we are on scene usually with in 2-3 minutes of dispatch. On a reported structure fire, there are 3, 4 man engines and a 4 man truck, 4 man squad and a 6 man rescue company. Also 1 district chief. Upon confirmation of a fire, another district chief and a deputy chief along with a investigator

[@patricktyler84]

10/10. dryhoseline 3floors makes sense water on the fire with a quick interior attack!!!! great channel

[@cmcer1995]

They really looked like the knew exactly what they were doing, almost like they have done this many times before. Obviously they had a plan in mind and followed through with it and got this rather intense fire under control very quickly.

[@traderjoe477]

Yep really good work. I like to see a well trained crew. I also love to see the guys going up the ladder with attached regulators! I hate it when firefighters don"t use their air tanks, thats what they for protect yourself from cancer! Thanks for sharing the video with your comments

[@pabuffa]

The fire was well ventilated. Upward. Good decision on the dry lines and with good communications, the best option available.

[@scottsasser7607]

For one yes that is a matchbox to the reason they're carrying a dry line in is because it's a much easier to get that hose in there while it's dry

[@danb2122]

Excellent videos. I learn quite about fires and tactics from your channel. Keep it up!

[@richieoliver9671]

I agree with him about how these firemen acted. Nobody running around. Not a ton of people standing by the front door. Everybody is at work just like it’s another day. Trash men done run to get trash. Slow is smooth. Smooth is fast

[@irishdrums4753]

Nice work…I would add how wonderful it is to have what appears to be adequate resources (man power). Many rural and small city departments do not have the luxury of an immediate multi unit response.

[@engine2truck6]

I worked 25 years in a city much like Syracuse NY, and now I work in a small community. Honestly hats off to the smaller towns because they are asked to so much wit FAR LESS!

[@irishdrums4753]

@@engine2truck6 100% agree!

[@word20]

I agree this is the best job I have seen here on youtube that firefighters get water and pressure within 2 minutes In other videos it has taken several minutes and heavy fires and much has been burned

[@fireykev]

I agree entirely, there was little potential for any super heated compartments below the attic as the fire appeared fully vented. Pulling dry lines is quicker . By the look of their fire kit they look very experienced, good job all concerned

[@robertgildea2841]

I am watching from Elmira NY Syracuse fire department did a great job getting control of that fire

[@dahinsoncoj]

Great coordinated attack. Both companies task oriented. My only question is they have a tower-ladder remarkably positioned in front and later relocate under the O/H service line. But more so the manpower intensive laborious job of placing a 35' ground ladder in a precarious spot and manhandled a 20' roof ladder up on a roof that has incurred a heavy fire load. Why not work from the safety of the elevating platform? This appears to have been a abandoned/vacant structure with no possibility of survival on the third floor if occupied. They obviously have adequate staffing, equipment, training and leadership (IC) to manage the incident. Just curious on the ground ladder use.

[@BraxtonWarn]

Heck of a job. For lower staffed/volunteer departments, I probably would have gave a quick 15 second stream through the alpha window with the deck gun. Solely based on the fact that my department runs pumper tankers, and our manpower situation is much less than that of the department in the video. Bang up job by Syracuse FD.

[@cnyfirevideos8019]

Yeah buddy my hometown for those who don't know cuserecorder is actually a Firefighter for East Syracuse, NY fire department hence why the last video was 7 years ago but yes he is an amazing firephotographer better than me

[@patrickwelch620]

That man carrying the ladder up and onto the roof is pretty bad ass.

[@cnyfirevideos8019]

Syracuse fire department definitely knows what they are doing they have been known to respond and be on scene Within 2 minutes and 50 seconds and the shortest amount of time it took them to put out a fire was 20 minutes which is normal for most fires in this area and they are ISO class 1 also 99% of the houses in the city are older structures which are owned by slumlords which is a nickname for the landlord's that run them

[@Karman_Dylan7305]

If by slumlord you mean the bank than you are correct. Abandoned, owned by the bank, and used for nothing but trapping and selling drugs. Syracuse has such beautiful houses and unfortunately they're all destroyed by homeless people and drug addicts and drug dealers and gangs. I mean it's not like the bank doesn't take 99% of them because Syracuse is a poor City and are property taxes are extremely outrageous so people can't afford to live in them

[@donalddodson7365]

Excellent observations, especially when there are examples of doing a job well. Thank you.

[@jayfish6114]

Humping hose up into the structure dry line is the best as you can advance your suppress efforts deeper into this structure faster. SFD is badass and highly qualified and trained. All fire departments show use this video 📹 for training purposes.

[@deckgun31]

Great video. Great commentary. One suggestion though. At 6:24 “Everybody is hustling.” They are not hustling. They are what we refer to as “Moving with a purpose.” This is a mark of experience or training. It shows Command and Control. Nice job to SFD, and the Officers!

[@tewksburydriver8624]

Awesome work by these guys. Dry line is fine in this case. Good visibility, tight house, up stairs, dry line is fine. I also think anyone saying a transitional attack is not useful here is not being honest. Ether initial tactic is fine. Hitting it for 20 seconds from outside can buy you some time. Either way is acceptable here.

[@XHollisWood]

Great reminder, Great review, 🚒🚒🚒

[@donkanka1062]

What a great job by the interior attack crews and the outside ladder crews.

[@davidglaum2538]

I hope that some of the people that make negative comments will learn from you videos.

[@Sonic-sh2vh]

Every member on this scene seems to operate with a definite sense of purpose. No one just milling around , starting a particular task and then abandoning it, which is sadly quite common.

[@tmilesffl]

You can see from the smoke and the fire that keeps flaring up that this is a tough one that is in the rafters which makes it a challenge to hit with the water, especially if the rafters are covered and there is space for the fire to move.

[@cnyfirevideos8019]

I apologize for all these comments but I figured you guys would like to know what the significance in the color of the helmets are red helmets are rescue one, yellow helmets are truck companies commonly known as Tower ladders elsewhere in some cases, black helmets are engine companies

[@kenxiong6830]

Though it goes against the conventional way of thought, I agree that being it was mainly contained to the attic carrying a dry line wasn’t a bad idea. Dragging a charged line in a tight house is such a pain

[@kennethmantay4484]

great job, can tell these crews have drilled together

[@calvinlivengood5717]

Nice break down and a nice job by the FD. However, they could have pulled the ladder truck like 6 feet farther forward so it wasn't under the power line of the house if they had room to do that.

[@rob4620]

Just a note, it's nice because they have roughly 25 firefighters on a first alarm assignment.

[@PilotMikeSierra]

Hi awesome video ! I’m a firefighter from Germany and I love you’re commentary ☺️ But I have a question you’re talking about the “bravo and Delta” side of the building… is there a rule how to call a specific side of a building ? We don’t have that in Germany ☺️

[@mike_pertz]

Thank you for watching! Generally the side of the structure that faces the street (the front door of a house) is considered the “alpha” or A side. To the left, “bravo” or B, the back “Charlie” or C, the right “delta” or D. This is so everyone on the foreground has a baseline understanding of what area of the structure the incident commander is talking about

[@PilotMikeSierra]

@@mike_pertz hi thx for the answer! Pretty interesting ☺️

[@michaeld8443]

Very Good FD

[@DonDon-zm3vz]

great work brothers

[@scottsasser7607]

And you are so right I watch a lot of these on KZbin and most of them are standing around walking around they don't do nothing and then there is too many firemen on one job my opinion is the first truck on site should be a ladder truck because it takes a while for them to set up the second truck should be a water tanker in case there's no fire hydrants close by and then bring in the other trucks and I will say this like I said I've been watching a lot of these why is it that these trucks are so beautiful they're clean they're shiny but yet the hoses leak and so do the fittings going into the truck all the water they're wasting coming out of them fittings could be going on to that fire or any fire that's my opinion and thank you for your video I do enjoy watching these videos I the reason I say this is because somebody has to put the word out there about these trucks leaking water the hose is leaking water that's my main issue I have they did a good job on this house and thank you for your video

[@mindtrickskiller2766]

If i see fire in the attic on an older structure, im thinking about balloon frame structure and possible fire on other levels

[@KeithDCarl]

Thank you!!! As soon as I started this video I thought, "I hope they sent someone to the basement." I kept waiting to hear it mentioned on the radio or mentioned by the narrator but it was never mentioned! Looks like a good candidate for balloon to me.

[@mattnewell7584]

Gotta have that back up line stretched ready to go

[@The-mb8ui]

I really learn a lot from you man. Much appreciated. Truly.

[@amonlord553]

Hi People! I'm from germany and I'm starting out in the academy later this year. One thing I always wondered about the ventilation in the US is that I see a lot of vertical ventilation. As far as I know it's rather uncommon to do that here. I believe we either set up a ventilator and open all the doors and windows at the firefloor or we hydrovent. As I said I am not even at the academy yet but maybe someone with actual experience can give some context about the pro's and cons. It's highly appreciated. Cheers!

[@amonlord553]

@Steven Kelley thank you so much :)

[@KeithDCarl]

I see no one has answered your question or maybe the answer has been removed. I do not see Steven Kelly's response so allow me to try to explain. Perhaps someone else may also be curious. For context, I am a firefighter of 34 years in a city of roughly 350,000, spending most of my career in a very busy impoverished neighborhood. "Back in the day" we had many more structure fires than we do now. While I will be explaining how we go to work here, and other cities may do things differently, the concept is pretty common and consistent wherever you go. The idea is that engine companies (with pumpers) and ladder companies are strategically placed so that in an ideal situation, the engine company advances an attack line while simultaneously the ladder company accesses the roof and cuts a hole above the fire. If well coordinated the hole is opened as the engine company reaches the limit of their advance due to heat. If done correctly, the trapped heat and smoke evacuate the structure very rapidly, due to convection alone, allowing the firefighters advancing the attack line to see clearly and further advance on the fire. This allows the fewest number of firefighters possible to knock down large amounts of fire very quickly. Hole size and placement are critical. We try to place a large hole (maybe 2m X 2m) directly above the fire or on the opposite side that the attack line is advancing from. This draws the heat away from the advancing firefighters who experience a strong rush of cool air from behind them toward the fire enveloping them in the cool air. It also cuts off further heating of the rest of the interior eliminating the possibility of a flashover. Vertical ventilation makes it possible to remove far more heat with the same amount or less water because you are not relying solely on the absorption of heat with water or pushing heat by force with water. Again, much of the heat simply leaves by convection. Obviously, in some structures vertical ventilation is impossible and horizontal ventilation must be used. Horizontal ventilation, in my experience, is never as fast as vertical ventilation. I hope this is helpful. Be careful my friend.

[@news603redux]

Another great one, thank you. At some point, perhaps you can do a general overview of Mutual Aid, a concept that really seems to work incredibly well.

[@mike_pertz]

definitely!

[@news603redux]

@@mike_pertz Great - it works like clockwork around here!

[@benmeyer2916]

Hell yeah let’s go Syracuse! I’m from Weedsport so they’re pretty local to me

[@timweiss2938]

You speak of basic and fundamentals of firefighting, it appears the first in engine dropped the supply line which in my opinion is the biggest thing that makes fire grounds go right. If you watch a lot of these videos where the second or third engine laying in it’s always a panic to get the engine that is supplying the hand lines water. By laying your supply line in first these guys in my opinion did it right.

[@TheBlankJoker]

There's always the by the book way and how we do things in the field way. The people who write the books generally haven't been through it all or aren't the ones doing it in the first place.

[@timdoom9834]

I have enjoyed your insight to fire videos. I have 2 questions, 1 there is a tower truck on scene, wouldn’t it be safer for the firemen to use it to ventilate the roof? I’m in the construction business and ladder safety is a big thing for us. We use a 4’ up and 1’ out rule for ladders, but I noticed on all fire videos firefighters ladders are always about twice that, why is that? Also multiple firefighters are always on it at the same time. That always makes me nervous that the extension ladder is going to buckle. OHSA has to be freaking out.

[@fire808surf]

Aloha Fire service ladders are rated for 2 person load per section and service tested annually. As far as the angle, you are right. All I can say is with a bottle on your back it’s more comfortable. I’ve never seen one fail but I’ve seen the butt slide out. They should always have the ladder secure, preferably attended

[@troyfrazer8653]

😊Hi! I am curious about your answer to this question when rolling up on this scene. What are your thoughts about knocking down the fire with the deck gun on the Alpha side, while guys are masking up and stretching lines. Then shut off the deck gun before they enter. I do understand the added weight of the water but then again with a burner like this. The water would steam off. Hopefully cool the environment and create better viability. Just curious?

[@ofcv1238]

3:35 think about this…containment on 3rd floor gets them to 2nd floor almost instantly from dry line. All could have crawled out holding breath if SCBA failed & line not charged when water called for w/ team position at landing of 2nd floor

[@ofcv1238]

They also could have flaked out 25-100 feet on 2nd floor landing while waiting for charged line upon call. Everything gained, nothing lost

[@billpizzaman4700]

Please do a video on UHP. Seems to be malpractice not to use it. Ultra hhigh pressure

[@KeithDCarl]

Ultra high pressure on the attack line? Even on 1 3/4" lines (considered small for rapid advance due to ease of management) 50-100 psi at the nozzle delivers a reasonably large volume of water at manageable pullback pressures. Too much pressure at the nozxle can yield pullback pressures 2 or 3 times your body weight!

[@kylermacintire4823]

Badass bunch of guys down in Cuse

[@mattl5238]

Great vid, just thought your voice was pretty quiet compared to the video I found myself moving the volume every time you talked

[@mike_pertz]

Thank you for the heads up, I'll double check the volume on the next video to make sure it matches the other audio!

[@Quewe-j7t]

Hey I’m taking the entry exam Wednesday and I’m confused on the city navigation part and I can’t find a video anywhere explaining it could you help ?

[@1648Christopher]

Awsome job with the ladders, You don't see that. Ladders give another escape for the interior guys. If your onsite, throw ladders on all sides. Best case senerio, you got to put them baqck on the truck.

[@atqmra13]

They got the wet stuff on the red stuff QUICK. Great job Syracuse

[@rkkastarshina3989]

1:40 That's interesting. In Germany, we never ever in our life go in anywhere without water in the hose Another thing I have to say, in germany, this would be a B4 probably (house fires) so there would be a pre-planned group of fire trucks rushing there. It would consist of 2 trucks that carry water, a ladder, the commander's car. Additionally there would probably be another truck that carries water and another commander's car. And likely there would be an alarm for other fire departments too that would also come with a truck that carries water. In Germany there's a hell lot of stuff going on when there is a house fire.

[@svenwaibel7007]

Are you sure? We have water on the "Verteiler" (water splitter?) but then a dry line until we reach the "Rauchgrenze" (smoke border?). Here we deploy our attack line and give water on the hose.

[@rkkastarshina3989]

@@svenwaibel7007 Ja das is klar, aber was ich meine ist, dass man niemals in ein brennendes Haus wie in dem Video ohne Wasser geht. Hochaus oder so, kkar, da geht man ohne Wasser zunächst bis zur Rauchgrenze oder wenn z.B. nur ne Couch oder so brennt. Aber bei nem Vollbrand, niemals würde ich da ohne Wasser reingehen

[@nathanlocke6767]

Yeah my TO always stressed when your on a live fire or training always walk with purpose

[@rbspider]

Good training home , they would do everyone a favor to let it burn to the ground but I guess with the water being pulled by gravity to the basement , passing through the other floors that it had to end in a total loss.

[@ffjsb]

I would've had the second line do a transitional attack, first, because you have no idea of what you're going to have to get through to get up there, it will cool the attic a little and it's already venting well, and lastly, you're only going to get one line up the stair well to the attic until they make the final push to the attic anyway. Hit it for 20 seconds or so, then have that crew back up the first crew. By the time they get up there, hopefully the first crew will be into the attic far enough so the second crew can get up there without bunching up on the stairs.

[@engine2truck6]

No. The back up line is there to BACK UP the initial attack line. Hitting this from the yard WASTES TIME most of the time and especially here.

[@engineco.1494]

SLICERS approach. Your not wrong I think it would have had the same outcome here in this situation with how fast they gained access to the attic, if they were delayed access 100percent hit it from the outside while the interior works to gain access.

[@thanojon1]

Shut up. The fire went fucking out quick, and fast because they're an aggressive department. Go back to your computer.

[@engine2truck6]

Hitting it from the yard is useful if you don’t have manpower. They have plenty there, and this aggressive interior attack is far superior. Hitting it from the yard first takes many MINUTES longer not just the twenty seconds applying water. Advancing a dry line is much much faster, and entering right away provides opportunities to locate victims by chance, which DOES happen.

[@thomascooper9417]

Im from Syracuse and im taking my test soon any tips

[@itsyaboimat2393]

I don't blame them for going in with an uncharged line because it's waaaaaaaaaaaaay faster to bring a uncharged line through a house that's a mine field of crap then fight the hose trying to reach the fire

[@engine2truck6]

It is obvious that you are an experienced fireman. Stay safe, Brother.

[@JimGordon]

Question about the roof venting: was it really necessary to vent the roof in this situation or perhaps what are the advantages? Basically from my point of view it seems rather risky to put guys up on that roof which may have taken an unknown beating from the fire and I’m not sure what they gain from it. I’m a probie going thru fire school trying to learn.

[@engine2truck6]

It was necessary.

[@JimGordon]

@@engine2truck6 can you explain why?

[@andyoxleyonhistravels]

@@engine2truck6 Very good knock down but after that fire the roof is no way safe enough to put guys on it.

[@engine2truck6]

It’s safe. They do it constantly and no roofs collapse and no one falls.

[@engine2truck6]

@Tyler Yes. Based on experience working 25 years on Engine companies responding to 400 + structure fires and being first in on the nozzle on hundreds of fires like this one, I can tell you that this roof is SAFE to be on, and the crew in the attic is still taking a pounding. Any fireman reading this who has been in this situation has an understanding, because he has experienced first-hand all of the benefits of vertical venting in this situation:.... IMMEDIATE relief of heat; IMMEDIATE and substantial improvement of visibility.. These guys did this worker 100% the BEST WAY for this construction, this water supply, this response time, an this manpower. I now work in a small town where deck guns, charging a line before entering, NOT getting on the roof are likely BETTER choices, because they don’t have the elements listed.

[@lindanwfirefighter4973]

It is also a ballon frame home.

[@danfd26233]

Generally it always comes down to putting the wet stuff on the hot stuff.

[@otakurj]

Looks like a Cutters Edge vent saw

[@bryanstanislawski9439]

Great job!!

[@pettronic7161]

Like these videos because it’s basically donut operator but for the fire department

[@wolfpacva]

they did a great job for a city firefighters speed is not seen very much anymore

[@brennanmckinney3688]

At 10:35 would it have been better to do a leg lock then move the roof ladder or was it just better to move that ladder quickly in the moment without a leg lock?

[@95CobraSnake]

Nice job everyone 👌👌

[@billwalck1324]

Kudos to L-280 an excellent pre-connect assault INSIDE. The boys in Pennsylvania ought to take notice, as I really got hammered for commenting on a couple of losses directly resulting from applying water into actively venting attic openings. Taking a dry line into the structure lets you get to the "front" of the battle as quickly as possible, with as little use of scarce manpower as possible. Maneuvering a charged line inside a structure you don't know can be very challenging, not to mention physically challenging when you may need that strength later in the incident. A lot of that stuff is not part of the basic training, and is so very important. similarly, much of the "academic" aspect of firefighting is pretty much of no practical value (ie. firefighting hydraulics). Its not that those considerations are not important, there are so many variables that come first that you never get to them. As a career path, the fire service is more of a long-term hands on, continuously learning experience that agencies that lack the advantage of permanent manpower simply cannot match. That is not a condemnation, it is simply a fact. The results at this incident speaks for itself, as, unfortunately, the four funerals I attended years ago in this very same city also does. Our neighbor local, Syracuse is indeed a fine organization. Bill Walck, L-191 Watertown.

[@jeffclark5268]

Not criticizing, and aware the maneuvering of the ladder truck would be difficult at best with the overheads, but would it not have made sense to put either of the monitors on the ladder truck or engine to work dumping water in that open window in he attic from the street?