What on Earth is going on with EVs, and why is London to blame? | The Fully Charged Podcast

[@experimental_av]

Have you considered coming to Thailand? Government is quite serious about it. Think we have 40% BEV new sales right now, we are BYD's biggest oversea market and should have about 5 EV factories under construction right now. This week there's a car expo with 3 new EV brands entering the market compared to the last show in December. Would be a blast.

[@terryinozland]

We can't build cars in Australia. Ford GMH Toyota Mitsubishi all said so. Hope you guys get paid well for your factory labour.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

Thailand needs Bjørn Nyland as the "Everything Electric Thai Correspondent" . Speaks the necessary languages and has 12 years experience in the leading EV market (Norway)... Plus already plenty of contacts in the industry in Thailand!

[@autmek]

It look like the EV new car sale has increased to 12 % of the total new car sale for 2023 in Thailand, which is mighthy impresive by the way. (BYD has 40% of the EV marked)

[@cavramau]

I have just completed a 3 week rental Tesla model 3 rental in the North of UK. 4 days in each of the Dales, Noth lakes, central lakes and Manchester suburbs. I had no trouble charging, only used tesla chargers twice. Used credit card touchon charging. Only one 4 day stay hotel had AC charger. Drove about 1,500 miles. No problems.

[@katherandefy]

Which is why I believe many car rental outfits are ditching EVs. Their owners don’t want to promote EV adoption of course as their baby has long been ICE vehicles.

[@cavramau]

@@katherandefy the agent at Hertz, said they were going Polstar. The two Teslar Model 3s there were 2020 models. They had at least one other Y and I counted 3 Polstars. Doesn't sound like abandonment yet.

[@RobertLogan]

The Midlands FFS. of The UK. The north of England, not the north of the UK. The North of the UK is where I live, past Inverness - The North of Scotland - but the former UK (fUK) when Scotland ends it, will make you its north.

[@cavramau]

@@RobertLogan na, I'm an ignorant Australian tourist now on my way home but I will watch as the next sceksit referendum launches. By the way, how is the EV action in the North of Scotland? I may be back.

[@simhedgesrex7097]

​@@RobertLogan The term you want is "rUK" which either (politely) "remaining UK", less politely, "remnant UK" or, as used by many Scots Nats "rump UK". The northernmost part of the former UK will still be in Scotland (just as the west of Ireland is currently the westernmost part of the former UK). But enough hairsplitting: your main point is absolutely correct: Haltwhistle in Northumberland (a mile or two from Hadrian's Wall, and further north than the southernmost part of Scotland) is the centre of the UK when measuring from the northernmost point (Shetland) to Southernmost (the Scilly Isles).

[@wales34part]

I watched a trade video recorded in a Renault car factory in which when interviewed the exec stated "the battery packs now cost €4000 euros and represent 40% of the cost to build the car" At the time the particular renault EV was being sold for over £36k in the UK. By example this serves to prove the huge discounts fleets are able to achieve and is proven further by the maths that make up a typical govt. Subsidised salary sacrifice low bik lease. Meanwhile joe public has woken up to the con , made all the more transparent by seeing new zero mile pre registered evs on the used car lots at prices less than half the list prices. What is worse is the crazy price lifting of ICE cars that in the main carry no development cost overheaads. For example a typical fiat 500 new retails at double cost it did just 4 years ago. By raising ice prices the manufacturers are slowly achieving price parity yet at the same time claim that new ev prices are falling. Its all one big con.

[@pontiuspirate1925]

Yes, a very clever con as you correctly say.

[@zippymark]

So a new EV costs about 10000 euros to produce, but retails for over 42000 Euros! That's crazy! The government shouldn't be subsidising these vehicles whatsoever! The manufacturers should consider their pricing if they want EVs to take off!!!

[@sie4431]

​@@zippymarkThey don't want EVs to take off. While they might be cheap to produce they can't cut the prices too much otherwise it won't be profitable to do

[@Hotspur657]

"...all these governments that are removing these very modest subsidies for renewable energy, electric vehicles...they're not removing them from the Fossil Fuel Industry which gets eye-watering subsidies..." YES, Robert. An excellent point which ought to be brought up more often.

[@PaulMcCormack1968]

Can someone enlighten me on the nature of the fossil fuel subsidies? What form do they take? I know the externality subsidy of the pollution/CO2 emissions, but what are the financial subsidies?

[@markrainford1219]

@@PaulMcCormack1968 Subsidies are a complete nonsense when 50%+ tax is taken into consideration.

[@andrewsaint6581]

​@@PaulMcCormack1968there's this. 2023 $7 trillion.

[@miguellopez3392]

@@PaulMcCormack1968 government pays for drilling that may not be profitable and gives grants so they build cleaner power plants, without these subsidies green energy would be more competitive.

[@gilvandersluis8098]

​@@markrainford1219the UK tax payers are paying 50% of the fossil fuel companies' North Sea drilling platforms removal / decommissioning costs, during a consumer 'cost of living crisis', when FF companies are making record profits. 🤯

[@addsfour3499]

I live in sydney and drive electric. My favourite game is to try to park next to another electric car whenever i go to a large shopping centre. This year, it’s never been a problem.

[@mickwilson127]

I’m an EV evangelist, on my second car ( Megane E-Tech), but need to mention the elephant in the room. The price of public charging is absolutely ruinous if you cannot charge at home or work. Given the very much higher upfront cost of most decent EVs , and the insurance - the TCO has become beyond the reach of many, many people. I personally will never go back to an ICE vehicle, but return journeys longer than 200 miles are now looked at very carefully for affordability.

[@terryinozland]

I agree. Tbh i am waiting it out to see if the e supply companies (Ergon etc) just kill the ev idea single handedly so much so that a five hr trip away is cheaper by ice car. Then also i have to get solar panels as well and i am not keen on that just yet.

[@terryinozland]

I like the Megane etech . Priced here at $67,k so sadly its not possible either.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

That's the price of "SOME" public charging. If you're going on "a trip", it's well worth taking the £10:99 Tesla subscription. If you used the highest priced Superchargers, ± 53p compared to the 79p at other suppliers, you'd be in front after [10.99 /(.79-.53)] = 42 kWh. Even at "Tesla range of 4 miles/ kWh that's only 100 miles. (So Probably less?) . Come to think of it, if you travel more than 100 miles per month *any* time, it's worth it. I suppose it's the closest thing to an "EV Season ticket"? (Then there's the reliability factor?)

[@michael.randall5034]

Electricity will only go up as more people use it. 80% of fuel is tax.

[@joolsmorgan7032]

Don’t disagree. For anyone who can charge at home or work getting an EV is a no brainer. Loads of cheap secondhand EVs about. Secondly most people drive about 30 miles a day so 200 mile journeys are relatively rare. Third, this UK Government has set back EV adoption years by failing to support EVs and charging network. In fact they are actively discouraging adoption and fail to challenge the nonsense being circulated.

[@sparkytas]

Australia has the benefit of having an extremely high level of home solar penetration, and so huge numbers of Australians are discovering the thrills of making their own fuel. I love filling my EV with electrons from my own rooftop panels! Once we got rid of coal loving corrupt PM - Dodgy Scott, and anti EV policies were thrown out with him, the flood gates opened. I expect Australia to sail past a great many countries in regards to EV uptake. We just need to solve affordable EV charging for non driveway owners.

[@st-ex8506]

Great! But you also have your rabid EV-hating dis-information channels, such as MGUY Australia!

[@terryinozland]

Oh for goodness sakes !

[@John.0z]

@sparkytas I don't think that Dutton is any less backward in displaying his renewable power or BEV ignorance. And Albo is effectively silent on the EV subject. Fortunately Shorten has bought a BEV, and likes to talk about it. With anti-electric FUD steadily rising, EV prices still sky-high, and charging sites still rather rare, I would not yet describe the situation down under as positively as you did. I am still waiting for an EV that will fit in my parking space! Don't get me started on Sky b@#$%^&*()_y "news". BTW I tried, but cannot install solar for my home. The power regulation authorities for places generically termed "residential villages", like most retirement properties, have all sorts of barriers still in place; even if the residents want the solar, and can pay for it.

[@erictheblue7256]

I also love the idea of owning a home where the sun can not only power my home, but with enough battery storage my car as well-my own eGas station! Alas, I live in Denver Colorado and the terrible irony is though Denver gets over 300 days of sunshine per year, and green energy is supported by the city and state, very few people (myself included) can afford to buy a single family home here...

[@sudeeptaghosh]

It will be an amazing development when AUS will sell electricity to neighbours .. gods speed ..

[@greghayden4598]

I am from Brisbane, Australia. I am the first to have indiction, BYD, solar panel and hot water in my family. My oldest brother wants to come over and drive the BYD. It just shows it only takes one EV in the family and the rest will follow.

[@greghayden4598]

Induction

[@razvanlex]

@@greghayden4598 Induction. Don't forget the dot.

[@mrg-ghx8052]

Indoctrination

[@terryhayward7905]

Australia is the perfect place for an EV, enough sun to make solar work to power the house and enough spare to charge the EV batteries, that does not work in the UK, we might get enough sun to do that for maybe 2 weeks in the year. The answer here is better charging facilities AND lower prices for them. If you use public charging, it costs not much less than paying for petrol for your ICE vwhicle.

[@pontiuspirate1925]

@@terryhayward7905 Terry, I just finished driving the Great Inland Way here in Australia. We do it a couple of times a year to visit family in western Queensland (outback Queensland). We did 3500km (diesel VW) and on this trip I took particular interest to see if it was possible to do the trip in a Tesla 3 as they’re the most common EV here. It turned out that it’s not possible yet in inland Australia, very little and in many cases no charging infrastructure at all. Many of the remote roadhouses are powered by their own diesel generators so that blows the whole purpose of an EV out the window. It will get better I’m sure but nobody in the bush is overly interested in EVs so it’ll take many years before you can do long bush trips here confidently in an EV.

[@martinhammett8121]

The single biggest factor stopping adoption is charging (Not super fast ) 7-22 kw on street so people who havn't a drive can charge. BUT ! it can't be at an inflated cost if its more than 40p Kwh it makes electric more expensive to run than diesel !

[@rugbygirlsdadg]

This is obviously a different level issue in different geographies. The UK quite significant, OZ and the US not so much.

[@clanger422]

Yes! At the moment I don't have a car of any sort but I would like an EV if they get a bit cheaper. I don't have offroad parking but I was pleased to see my street had 4 22kw chargers installed but they're charging 56p Kwh which is nearly double what it would be if I could charge at home, that's a deal breaker for someone like me on a low income. Imagine if petrol prices were double for people without driveways.

[@rogerstarkey5390]

"More expensive than Diesel"? 40p/ kWh (Tesla) ±4 miles /kWh. 10p per mile. Diesel. Locally in London and probably the cheapest around £1.52/ litre. x 4.546 = £6.90/gallon ÷ 40mpg = 17.2p per mile . Not even close. (+ servicing, etc)

[@Dave-mv3xy]

​@@rogerstarkey5390That's not comparing apples with apples. That doesn't account for the losses in charging. Also The model 3 is one of the most efficient models. Better off comparing it with a 320d averages around 55mpg. Obviously you'll still likely save a fortune with the Tesla as it needs no regular serving

[@watcher24601]

Public charging was around 25 pence per kw, then we left the European energy market, now government is too focused on Rwanda to fix the problems it caused.

[@buckles29]

Great to hear the chatter between you two, always interesting to hear about more positive news from around the world, rather than the more than slightly depressing mood & situation in the UK. Keep up the great work & really looking forward to coming to the EE live show at the Excel centre this weekend,

[@shonunezekiel]

I live in a somewhat poorer part of London where people are much more likely to buy second (or more) hand, or lease, than to buy first hand cars, and I am seeing significantly more electric cars in the last year - I appreciate this is anecdotal - but I see that annual second hand EV sales increased 90.5% in the UK (but from a low number, to 118,973).

[@rogerstarkey5390]

The end of the 3 year fleet leases kickstarted the used EV market. Now we're into the second round of those.

[@kevinwhite981]

Let's face it guys they're pretty crap 😂

[@rogerphelps9939]

@@kevinwhite981 ICEs are extremely crap for our grandchildren. Anthropogenic CO2 emissions, which ICEs produce in abundance, will make the world a rather hostile place for them. Business as usual would give a 4 deg C global temperature rise before the end of the century. That is a disaster on a scale never seen before. Now do you understand?

[@devonbikefilms]

It’s really becoming obvious how many EVs are on the road now. Here in south Devon UK there are plenty of VWs, Renaults, Tesla, Kia, Nissan (mainly older leaf’s). We’re getting a better charging infrastructure as well, although Plymouth remains a bit of a desert.

[@simhedgesrex7097]

As are most rural villages. If I could connect my flat to an EV I could charge for as little as 5p or 6p per kWh, but on a public charger it will cost my about 70p - way more expensive than Diesel. As EV take up increases, fuel poverty is going to become a BIG political issue: EVs cost more than ICEs and cost more to fill up.

[@robertduncan5912]

The cost of public charging electrons is a disgrace. Hopefully it will come down as general energy costs reduce now - it certainly should. I feel for people who can't charge near their homes. I am fortunate in being able to charge off-peak for 9p/kWh, which is 90% of my use. We really do need to address the cost of public charging in this country.

[@simhedgesrex7097]

@@robertduncan5912 A lot of public charging costs are paying back the infrastructure cost of installing chargers and connecting them to the grid. Hopefully over time these initial charges will be paid off, and prices will reduced. But prices at present are appallingly high.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

Robert and Dan are a great podcast tag team. Robert's boundless enthusiasm is balanced with Dan's deep knowledge of markets and all the data at his fingertips...and a fair bit of humorous banter between them. Thanks guys!

[@bernardcharlesworth9860]

My ev is totally integrated into my life.I find it odd when someone says I never buy one of them.I tell them it's just a car.

[@Sonya_Makepeace]

You mean your life has integrated with the car. The car owns you.

[@Acnasheen]

2027: EVs are OVER

[@bernardcharlesworth9860]

@@Acnasheen that good thank goodness I brought mine 3 years ago

[@Acnasheen]

@@oddjobsandrandomprojects : 80 % more problems with EVs than ICE

[@Acnasheen]

@@oddjobsandrandomprojects : what increase ? they sit for between 180 to 250 days at dealerships… ports in europe are packed with these unsold chinese self-combusting Krrraps

[@greghayden4598]

With Australia being so large, it would be great to see Everything Electric in Brisbane.

[@markeaton6734]

Definitely, been to both in Sydney but it would be nice to have a local one

[@charlesminckler2978]

Same in the US. Both EE were on the west coast last year. Need some on the east coast.

[@patemblen3644]

Get rid of the Tories, it worked here in Australia.

[@ramblerandy2397]

Thankfully, I believe they may be getting rid of themselves. I hear every day from relatives, friends and colleagues that they would buy new or used BEVs were it not for the fact that they see their assets diminishing by the month and costs going up. This is a direct consequence of governmental policy and Dan's B word. The last 14 years has been a disasterous experiment which has enriched the few, who didn't need further enriching in the first place.

[@markandrew6572]

The Tories in the U.K. are dead in the water. They’ve had nothing to offer the U.K. for years having bowed to their paymasters at every turn. That said, they’re leaving the country in a much worse state than what they inherited over 14 years ago. Living standards have fallen due to many factors, not least of which is a decline in trade with the EU as a direct result of Brexit. EV’s are less affordable than they could have been. EV adoption has also been deliberately retarded in the U.K. for political reasons. The hold over the Tory party in particular, by the oil and gas industry is undeniable. The U.K. cannot move forward until they go.

[@ramblerandy2397]

@@markandrew6572 Well said. Couldn't have put it better.

[@bbbf09]

@@markandrew6572 Never underestimate the unnerving self harm instincts and donkey headed level stupidity of the British electrorate (remmber Brexit?) - they could still deliver another Tory gov. Interesrtingly if you raised the voting age to pension age today and had election tommorow the Tories would easily cruise to victory. Think on that.

[@chairmakerPete]

@@markandrew6572 the way the Tories squandered a golden economy is shameful

[@knowledgebyte]

I remember in 2018 when I switched from a PHEV to a BEV, I could maybe count one other electric car near me and saw very few on the road. Now I can count upwards of 15-20 on a 35 minute trip. I wonder what the data is for the amount of toxic gases being removed from the atmosphere is? London is definitely a lot cleaner now. Being able to sit outside pub in London at the weekend and breathe clear air, is now a guaranteed norm. The political noise is due to the pollution being removed. We’re moving into a net-zero pollution phase.

[@fjalics]

EVs are gaining economies of scale. Enough EVs on the roads to support a charging infrastructure, and enough sales to support a variety of mass produced dedicated EV platforms. Now in places like Norway, ICE will begin to lose a little of those economies of scale as the percentage of ICE vehicles on the road wane.

[@wizzyno1566]

Norway is funny - massively subsidising EVs by selling oil yet somehow that's a win for EVs 😂

[@terryhayward7905]

I think that all EV companies are missing out on a huge market. SMALL, SIMPLE affordable second cars for local use, instead they concentrate on EVs that would take the place of your IC vehicle. I drive a Volvo XC70 to tow a caravan, but most of the time, I could use a tiny 2 seat EV to do what I need, But, there is almost nobody selling one in the UK.

[@solentbum]

If you look at thre development of the ICE car there many years between its invention and it becoming cheap enough for all to buy. With EVs that period has been remarkably short.

[@peterwalton5768]

Agreed. A 45k EV is not exactly an affordable commuter vehicle.

[@daytriker]

It might seem too obvious but have you considered an electric bike or trike? I know in U.K. & many parts of the world, protectionism for the auto industry limits the amount of power on your 2 or 3 wheel transport but they have become so refined now that many owners have given up car ownership.

[@solentbum]

@@daytriker The restriction on E-bike power in UK and Europe are based on vehicle design criteria, to keep the e-bike within the 'bicycle' classification for nearly all to use. If you want a more powerful E-bike, they are made but come within 'Motorcycle' classifications. The restrictions are for safety considrations based on many years of experience of many types of powered bikes.

[@solentbum]

@@peterwalton5768 There are several 'cheap' EVs on the launch pad with some already on the marketplace. MG4 , and Dacia Spring for starters, Nissan Micra Renault 5 coming soon.

[@regisdumoulin]

Maybe the slow down in the adoption of EV in the UK has something to do with the price of electricity... I drive an electric car (MG4) at home, and went to the UK a couple of weeks ago. So I rented an EV, but then I couldn't believe how expensive public chargers were. In my home country, France, I pick my chargers and usually charge from 30 to 45 euro cent per kWh... but there I paid prices around 65 to 70 pence per kWh! That's like 82 cents, double than what I'm used to pay! And extra charges are common too... and then I noticed (with some envy) petrol was quite a big cheaper than what I'm used to (UK £1.45/€1.70 per liter vs £1.60/€1.90 in France)... So expensive electricity and cheap petrol, the perfect recipe for stopping EV's expansion! I do have a question to any UK resident out there. How come electricity is so so incredibly expensive? Do you pay a lot for your home electricity too? As a comparison, my home electricity tariff is 15 cent per KwH. I must say I felt a real sting and it made me thing next time I might hire a petrol car instead!

[@simongreenidge6454]

As a UK resident; if you can recharge your electric car at home, it is cheap compared to filling up with gasoline or diesel. However if you regularly drive hundreds of kilometres away from home every week, it may be cheaper (and certainly more convenient) to drive a car with a modern, efficient diesel engine. I have noticed "a lot" of talk in the past few months complaining about the high cost of recharging at commercial centres (to the point where it is no cheaper than refilling with diesel). Toyota has received much criticism for focusing on hybrid technology, but perhaps they are correct (for the time being).

[@peterchindove7146]

No. The problem is the politics.

[@rogerphelps9939]

In the UK the price of electricity is pegged to a multiple of the price of gas. The multiple is fixed so that ditching gas central heating for a heat pump makes little economic sense. Tying the price of electricity to that of gas used to make some perverted sort of sense because gas was used to produce most electricity. that is no longer the case. Renewables are much cheaper and, given the 60+ percent efficiency of combined cycle gas generating plant, electricvcity should cost no more than 2.5 times per kwh as much as gas.

[@fredhearty1762]

'Make the most cars, not make the most noise' -- great comment! Applies equally to those anti-EV doom and gloomers versus those building cost-competitive Everything Electric'. Keep moving ahead... the public will catch on. Norway is a great example of persistence when EVs were struggling -- they are practically there.

[@robertgreig9936]

I just wanted to say a massive Thankyou to everyone on Fully Charged / Everything Electric Show and Stop Burning Stuff for all their hard work . 👍 and a belated Happy Birthday Robert.

[@3rd_Rock]

I was looking to replace my 14 year old fossil car, but was dismayed by the sales staff at my local VW and Kia sales rooms who were very less than enthusiastic. I was looking to spend around £55k, and had many questions however they seemed bored and had to be persuaded to even unlock a car for me to sit in. I remember buying my new Jaguar XF 14 years ago and the staff were wonderful. In short I have decided to keep my fossil car for a little longer. Perhaps that was a reflection of Volkswagen and Kia, however, it has put me off the whole buying experience.

[@julianguffogg]

Try Tesla!

[@waynethefridgemanosborne8984]

Hi guys , it was great chatting with you both in Sydney . Booked hotel already for next year's show . I have been talking about electric vehicles for years now here in Australia, and when you see the face of someone driving a electric vehicle for the first time . I have no words. Keep smiling everyone and see you next year.

[@jcizman]

High cost of EV in Canada is not misinformation. That’s the main reason I can’t buy one.

[@maxbrooks1191]

$$ this is always left out in these discussion with pro EVangilists they aren't affordable for the majority of any countries population

[@garydmercer]

Where are the affordable EVs in the U.S.? Not spending over $ 30,000 USD for an EV. These bloated huge EVs being sold here are outrageously too big, inefficient and costly. We need small efficient affordable EVs here.

[@waynerussell6401]

You're not looking very hard! Average new vehicle price paid in US in 2024 was $48,759. A new Model 3 or Y can be leased for below $300 a month. The purchase price is less than a similar featured but worst performance Prius in many States and less than a spec'd Corolla in some. Learn about cost-in-use. BEVS cost half as much as an ICE to run and last twice as long. kzbin.info/www/bejne/m6rSep6vl6Z0nJI

[@garydmercer]

@@waynerussell6401 I looked at leasing a Tesla. I have a history of buying out my lease at the end. With Telsa, this isn't allowed. You can't buy it at lease end. I only drive 5000 miles each year, so the vehicle would have a higher residual value due to my low mileage which would make me keep it and and sell it privately for more $ or keeping it. Tesla doesn't give me this choice. I've looked at other EV offerings from other companies and I'm only interested in the Teslas. The highland base model can't be purchased to realize the $7500 FED rebate----only the super high priced dual motor version of the special performance model which have batteries made in the U.S.A, not overseas. Only way to get an affordable base model is to lease it and I've already explained why that doesn't work for me. I have looked hard, so please do not discount my efforts here. NO WAY am I considering purchasing an ICE vehicle. I have a 2020 Subaru Forester with less than 19K miles on it and can continue on driving it for a very long time and just wait all of this out. I'll wait, til Tesla realizes its mistake and makes adjustments to make an affordable Ev for the rest of us, not just for the well heeled and monied population.

[@thewiseperson8748]

EV's will only become dominant when: (a) the electricity grid is suitably updated; (b) there is more charging infrastructure; (c) the cost of EV's is reduced; and (d) solid state batteries are generally brought into use (not Lithium batteries that are horrendously susceptible to suffering thermal runaway with disastrous consequences).

[@balkanleopard9728]

There are two cases in the USA re the Hyundai Ionic5 where it's claimed that a battery replacement is US$60,000 ea. The insuranace companies have apparently written the, essentially new, vehicles off. I regularly drive from my home in Croatia to a friend's place in Belgrade, Serbia. When I first attempted this in my ev, it took me 14 hours. I have now got this trip down to between 10 and 11 hours. It used to take me under 8 hours in my ICE vehicle. Please explain to me where are these ev gains you keep touting.

[@martingill6996]

What we really need in the EV car industry is a re-focus on efficiency and cost over acceleration performance as insurance premiums are also causing a problem of which the insurance companies need to be looked at. For example you may want all wheel drive but don’t need a 4s 0-60mph (100kmph) time .

[@TheGramophoneGirl]

Surely it should also be accepted that there is genuine criticism of EVs without being some luddite petro-fan? EVs are the future, for sure. They absolutely benefit the environment in a multitude of ways. Yet criticise the lack of infrastructure outside of large cities, or that people who don't live in properties with driveways are missing out, and your question is immediately discounted before being hit with an avalanche of abuse for being some anti-ev petrol-head. Grants may be available for properties without a driveway, but councils are dragging their feet. People like me without a driveway would love an EV, but paying 75p kwh to charge at Sainsburys doesn't save me money like someone who can charge at home every day via their solar pv. And that alone can make ev ownership unviable for many.

[@robinhood4640]

Have you not noticed this to be a trend, which covers most aspects of society? If you only agree 99.5% with one side of a discussion, you are considered anti, because if you weren't anti, you wouldn't disagree with the 0.5%.

[@TheGramophoneGirl]

@@robinhood4640 Things have definitely become very polarised.

[@johnharvey1786]

Such criticism is absolutely valid. I’m all for EVs and will be attending the Everything Electric show at the ExCel. There are areas of Cambridgeshire around Ely where there are no public chargers so how can people in this area without home charging easily charge an EV. Also for those emergencies where you are low on charge but need to dash to hospital in Cambridge but can’t fast charge in 10 minutes to get the required range as you could at a petrol station. This situation needs urgent attention. North Norfolk is another area very poorly served by EV charging. Also being constantly told by people like Robert that we must not get an SUV when he should be promoting all EVs. Small cars don’t suit everyone’s needs.

[@robinhood4640]

@@johnharvey1786 I agree with you, except the SUV bit. When we struggle to extract the materials to build the much needed cars, we struggle to supply the energy needed to move them and we struggle to find the space on the roads for them, SUVs are the stupidest answer we could imagine to help with these problems. Small cars might not suit everyone's needs but they certainly suit the vast majority of peoples needs. Marketing is why people think they need ridiculously stupid sized cars, it has nothing to do with real needs.

[@TheGramophoneGirl]

@@johnharvey1786In 2015 I owned a Leaf - inspired by Robert and his I-miev. I loved my leaf, but moved to my present apartment where there is no charging and local infrastructure is dire, so sold it. I was told charging infrastructure would get better. 8 years on and it hasn't and yet I get berated if I make any criticism of that. That's partly why my ev dream is dying. The cars are affordable now, but no good to me if I can't charge it.

[@chairmakerPete]

These guys are making a lot of money from this. Well done!

[@homelifeone]

For spreading misinformation

[@thewiseperson8748]

Sales of Ford 150 Lightnings have slumped; nobody really wants to buy them.

[@richmaniow]

I don't think people are anti EV vehicles, what they're concerned about is how they are going to use and charge these vehicles on a day in day out basis. If you don't have your own charging space at home and your reliant on the public charging network, which millions will be, your currently faced with the double whammy of poor maintenance of the charging points and the extremely high costs of using them when they do work. Too many EV reviewers brush over this as being a minor issue that will magically resolve itself when in reality the problem will only get worse. The more charging points installed the more there are to go wrong and the more you'll pay to use them to cover the repair costs or more likely, to cover the cost of chargers not generating revenue, it risks becoming a doom spiral on an enormous scale..

[@lkrnpk]

But on the other side, the more EVs there are the more bigger charging networks become and can operate at bigger scale, like Tesla superchargers have both cheaper prices and are more reliable than other chargers, of course one reason is they only cater to their own brand of cars, but also they see way more business than others so... economies of scale. If you do not make money from chargers since there are not enough EVs for all the chargers (at least not 24/7, maybe during holidays only), then it will be bad... like with gas stations, if there is not enough demand somewhere, they go out of business or have to change owner. Also with more locations comes more expertise in fixing them, know how etc. New technologies come in.

[@yellownev]

For me it’s the second hand market that’s telling the story about reliable cheaper to run long lasting batteries. That will see the penetration finally ….

[@gaminggrandpa5562]

Any chance we can get time stamps for the topics being discussed pretty pls.

[@0KiteEatingTree0]

I went to Excel a few weeks ago. Smooth journey, wheelchair fine on the Elizabeth line , really helpful staff. I do hope WAVS will be at the show

[@williammoore9609]

There is engineering works on the line for the easter weekend

[@paulgardner5665]

Hail Caesar! Re your analysis of our U.S. policy, a lot of subsidies from the Inflation Reduction Act would be hard to reverse in a GOP administration, especially since so many conservative states are receiving the largest benefits. New car plants, new battery plants, lots of manufacturing jobs. That said, there are many ways our progress could be hindered but electrification is on the march here.

[@nightowlnzab]

Trouble is, Australia might be experiencing an EV boom right now - but so was New Zealand until late last year when we had a change of government. Subsidies and incentives for EVs, and fees on "dirty" cars were gone within a couple of months - and so far (March stats pending), EV purchases have slumped.

[@beforetheinternet]

Subsidies were a very recent thing in Australia and not all states had them, so people got used to buying EVs without subsidies. My home state had subsidies only for 2 years and they ended last year. It seems to have made no difference. The two biggest months of EV sales were Feb and March this year.

[@rogerphelps9939]

NZ will regret it very soon.

[@neildolan7177]

What I find frustrating on KZbin is that every electric car podcast is followed by an advert for gas-powered cars.

[@gothmog2441]

Although it’s cheering to realise how OEM ICE manufacturers are wasting their advertising budget preaching to folks who are not interested in a desperate attempt to turn back the tide

[@The_Observer72]

Just recently spent 3 days in Berlin. I only saw one (1) EV during my whole stay. That was a Tesla.

[@devonbikefilms]

Been driving around south Devon, Exeter Plymouth area, loads of EVs around there. Volkswagen, Tesla, Kia, Renault.

[@rogerphelps9939]

Had your eyes closed did you? Here out in the sticks in Southern England you pretty much always see at least a couple every day.

[@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834]

oh, not good, spent a day in Adelaide last weekend, saw dozens of Teslas, 3 BYD's including a cool looking Seal, and a couple of MG's.

[@simhedgesrex7097]

@@devonbikefilms Easy to spot in the UK because of the green stripe on the number plate. Not all countries do this, though, so they may be harder to spot in Berlin.

[@simhedgesrex7097]

@iscadean3607 Not when driving from Exeter to Bath up the M5. I usually spot about 5 or 6 on each journey.

[@paulaschofield]

We've unfortunately got a new government here in NZ and are in a worse state than the UK when it comes to EV uptake. Our new government were voted in by the army of UTE and large SUV owners who under the last government were paying a dirty car fee to fund the clean car discount. When the new government got in the first thing they did was scrap the EV subsidy and from the 1st April EV owners will be paying a road user tax per km. I don't necessarily have an issue with the RUC but in combination with the scrapping of the subsidy and with our high interest rates it means fossil fuel cars have a much lower total cost of ownership than EVs. EV uptake for the first 2 months of this year have been the lowest in 2 years, in part due to buyers rushing to buy an EV before the subsidy was scrapped. It will be interesting to see how the first quarter has gone once data is released at the beginning of next month. Many manufacturers like VW, Skoda and Polestar have huge discounts on EVs for existing stoke which they were able to sell before the subsidy was scrapped. As was mentioned in the podcast, it will be interesting to see how this effects businesses such as home charging.

[@jonathanking625]

I agree no problem with the RUC however negativity of our current administration is worrying me.

[@JoshuaGrech]

I live in Australia too, went to fully charged show for the first time (and did a couple of drives). I also have a solar setup and have a myenergi eddi (and harvi) and will likely will get a zappi if I finally get an ev. The myenergi team has been great to work with (thought I’d share so you aren’t too sad about the state of your UK clean energy companies)

[@maxflight777]

*This is what pisses me off about the Tesla haters* If had stood on my driveway, with my friends, and said; My new car has 500HP, O-60 in 3.6s but does 110mpg and is silent. It doesn’t need services and has more interior space than the X5 it replaced …. They would all be agast. Impressed beyond belief… *But* ; When I say it’s a Tesla, they all sneer and get very grumpy! Petulant child-like. “Elon should shut his bloody mouth” “That thing will catch fire” “Doesn’t he support Trump?” “Car parks can’t stand the weight” “It depreciates fast” “Takes hours to charge” “You’ll need new batteries in two years and they cost £30K” “You can’t cross Europe in it” Utter flipping imbeciles…

[@markthomas7279]

The desire to censor and cancel is palpable. Fortunately, Tesla tech is about to stuff it back down throats.

[@maxbrooks1191]

Your electric car will need servicing just not as often as ICE ,unless you are upper middle class and can afford to buy a new one before it needs a service,like everything on this planet it WILL have a failure sometime

[@Jaw0lf]

An amazing discussion and hearing you say all of the shows you run as a mighty result of all your teams hard work. I will be at Harrogate for the 3 days this time as loved all the different discussion topics. I hope to get to meet some of you again.

[@twelvebears1971]

The danger at the moment is the perception regarding EV depreciation. Whether this is real or spin, it has the potential to seriously dent adoption in the UK. I’ve been lucky enough to secure an Ioniq 5 through a leasing scheme, so the finance risk is not mine, but if things don’t change, people will be scared to invest their own money in new purchases and lease prices will rise.

[@nottmfunguy]

Whilst 1 in 4 are return to ICE, depreciation will have a major impact, most people cannot afford throw away cars!

[@robertwood574]

Sorry, the risk is yours. Check the ballon rental at the end of the lease period, do you really think a finance company is going to lose money? It’s all about the money.

[@nottmfunguy]

@@robertwood574 I agree, any depreciation in the EV or any lease car contract will be recoup by the lease arrangement with the lease holder.

[@Paul-b2s4j]

E scooters should be put under a safety check for build quality. DFES reported over 1000 fires caused by scooters and other personal mobility types last year including 2 fatalities.

[@ohyesitsme]

@iscadean3607 Jeez, I seen some arguments but that takes the cake.

[@rickwhite7736]

It's the dodgy chargers that cause the fires not the scooters because people charge then indoors overnight.

[@Paul-b2s4j]

​@@rickwhite7736scooter or charger, same result. As you said dodgy.

[@Paul-b2s4j]

​@iscadean3607Woah! A bit defensive arent we, can't say anything about the religion. Point is e scooters n the like are knocked out in Chinese sweat shops with absolutely stuff all quality control. As for the fatalities you would soon change your tune if it was some one in your family!!!!!!

[@simhedgesrex7097]

@@Paul-b2s4j It's the chargers that need more regulation, not the scooters. Electric scooters aren't inherently dangerous, but third party chargers can be.

[@matthewwhittleton4519]

Just ordered the Skoda enyaq and learning a lot about EV been driving ice cars for years and I see the future is evolving with EV shame lots of people still sceptical about them

[@thewiseperson8748]

EV's are highly political, in that it is intended for weaning Europe off its dependence on imported oil from the Middle East, Russia (provided via refineries in India and China to Europe) et al.

[@thewiseperson8748]

Hertz found EV to be a very expensive mistake, and dumped its EV's. Toyota as very sceptical about EV's, preferring hybrids.

[@ianforster-l5d]

Tesla

[@ianforster-l5d]

Hertz found not many people hire a car for small journeys and don’t have home chargers so get wrong idea of running cost and Toyota have spent a fortune on development of petroleum products ie engine tec and need to recover cost

[@victorsvoice7978]

Australia needs more small city evs that everyone can afford to buy. Not huge, expensive suvs and pickup trucks.

[@MegaWilderness]

Large SUVs and pickups do the planet no favours. Purchase price of BEVs price them out of the market. No small BEVs on the secondhand market, insurance costs and repair costs too high. High price of public charging greater than the cost of diesel. It's no surprise that PHEVs are more popular

[@kasmstamps1897]

The trouble with Nissan is that they don't listen to customers. Re Leaf kicking and screaming to increase battery size but still no thermal management of battery or ccs. Or import a really good small serial hybrid (went for medium suv🤦)

[@The_Observer72]

There are other brands than Nissan out there.

[@terryinozland]

Imagine a 90kw with cooling , leaf, with 450 amp charging and regen and 500km distance of travel etc. this is where it should be today with constant improvement. Proves Nissa n do not care really.

[@timscott3027]

I would like to have seen the leaf get slightly more compact and neat looking, with 100kw+ charging for a lower price. I do genuinely like the leaf but I'm not gonna buy a chademo car in 2024, especially when I don't have home charging and my work has just put in a load of CCS chargers.

[@The_Observer72]

@@timscott3027 Nissan has suspended production of LEAF. Buy a Kia Niro EV instead with 7 year warranty.

[@solentbum]

My guess is that Mk 3 LEAF will have CCS charging as part of the revamp.

[@chrispenn715]

The most outrageous anti EV story I heard this week was from the BBC claiming that the Chinese government is using Chinese EVs to spy in the UK. 😂

[@chrismills1727]

Thats the unbiased BBC for you.

[@richarddickson6559]

While it may sound far fetched consider the conditions added to the use of TikTok and those being pretty much the same as TEMU. It is not impossible that china can utilise their imports. This is the same for any electric car. While it may be a conspiracy theory so was the wuhan leak. I like EVs and want to get one. Ask yourself how much you trust our governments.

[@markparker5585]

That’s what happens when the Tory government appoint the person in charge of the BBC.

[@benrgrogan]

Wait where is this article? I can't find it. I only ask because I keep seeing screenshots from supposed articles on social media that end up being fake, particularly in regard to anti-ev articles.

[@chrispenn715]

@@benrgrogan It was an article on BBC radio 4 news on Friday 22nd March.

[@francisoleary7010]

I guess it’s thanks to the economic downturn affecting new electric vehicle sales, that, and the misinformation about EVs, that I am finally able to just about afford to buy a secondhand EV, because secondhand prices are definitely depressed. Lots of vehicles coming to the end of their business leases and being disposed of also contributes to this, and there are a LOT available. So that’s a silver lining for me personally, and possibly for others in a similar position. It is a financial stretch, but my 13-year-old VW Golf is really coming to the end of its economic life, and I just do not want to continue burning for fuels for my mobility. I’m collecting it on Saturday. It’s rather exciting.

[@kensmith5694]

BTW: As a subsidy to the oil industry, the US keeping the shipping lanes for oil tankers open, counts. The US military is providing them security that they are not paying for.

[@Clampett01]

We are taking out chargers now in the UK with many InstaVolt stations being removed or disabled. Broken destination chargers abound with queues and breakdowns means a lack of confidence in the infrastructure and fear of extremely high cost charging prices.

[@markmcculloch2570]

Here in South Africa. We have our own show. It’s called. Everything non electric. Thanks to this corrupt ANC government.

[@timoliver8940]

Just coming to the end of a 3 year PCP with my 1st EV - a Mini Cooper S E. Brilliant car, huge fun to drive and I haven’t found it’s short range in any way a problem with my use needs as a retired person. It started out as a 2nd car to a big proper offroad 4x4 used for what it was designed to do plus runs over 100 miles round trips on road but very quickly the Mini became the go to on road car. Yesterday I signed up for a 4 year lease on the new U25 Countryman SE Sport BEV. As the Defender gets less and less use it it will soon surplus to requirements and I might have to consider giving up my jollies offroad. Despite the Countryman being AWD I doubt it will cope with going further offroad than a forest track. Current Mini hatch BEV is costing me 2.5ppm to run, Defender D250 90 89ppm plus VED plus servicing……………. What’s not to like about a small EV? I’ll be coming to Everything Electric North in May, but not by EV until next year. Why is it EE North? Harrogate is 250 miles SOUTH of me, if you want it to be a Northern exhibition then you should run it in Aberdeen or Inverness or even Lerwick - they are proper up North! Maybe you should just call the 2nd UK show The Everything Electric Harrogate show

[@1964mcqueen]

It should not be a surprise that some EV Start-UPs are struggling. How many Automotive Start-Ups have ever made it? Hyundai in the 80's, but the company itself has been around since the 40's. If only a few make it, that would represent a significant shift from the legacy manufacturers that have dominated for 100+ years. And if one fails, that does not mean anything about the overall market.

[@paulpopplestone7837]

Great episode and congratulations on the Sidney event and all the work you’re doing to take these events around the world. I really enjoy Dan’s calm analysis of all the topics discussed and would love to see him appear more often. You’re doing great work and I would love to see one of your events in France so I can get to one.

[@davidpearn5925]

I thought that Londoners wanted the extra 5-10 years of life from elimination of the tailpipe........ right ?.

[@wizzyno1566]

5-10 years? No. Nowhere near on average.

[@simonpannett8810]

Cost cutting for Solar Panels and Batteries reduce the need for EV subsidies but we do need Fossil Fuels have their subsidies cut!! Second hand fleet sales coming into play along with cheaper, smaller cars coming and will be strong by the end of 2024!! BYD could decide to really target UK volume with price cutting!! Interesting to see if Pump prices increase with reduced supply due to the war in Russia??

[@simhedgesrex7097]

"Cost cutting for Solar Panels and Batteries reduce the need for EV subsidies" - not if you don't somewhere to install the panels, or your landlord won't do it or allow it.

[@RichardFarmbrough]

EV Volumes say "Please note that we can offer our products and services to business customers only. An EV Volumes employee will contact you personally and explain the EV Volumes products and services to you" 😥

[@roderickmain9697]

Alledgedly (ie I read it somewhere) the heaviest EV (Model Y)doesnt even make the top 10 heaviest cars on the road. Friend of mine likes to (re)post every article he sees on EV fires. My riposte to him was that you dont see ICE vehicle fires because they've become so commonplace. The point being its just misinformation and I can do that too. As I see it, you are either embracing change or you are stuck in the past. (even some of us old folk are embracing it ;-) )

[@keithwillis5662]

I think that the Model X is the heaviest EV (I think I heard it on Fully Charged) But you are still correct about it not being anywhere near the heaviest car on the road. I’m an oldie and currently driving my 4th EV.

[@David-bl1bt]

A heads-up.... If you are a UK resident & own an EV, & haven't renewed your car tax this month, it would be prudent to tax it TODAY. As of 1st April next year EV's will be taxable. It is not retrospective, so if you re-tax it today you will enjoy 12 months free of road tax rather than the remaining months of your current tax. My EV was taxed in Nov last yr, I have just taxed it online today, so we now have 12 months free tax to run instead of 8 months.😁

[@elainebradley8213]

Where we are in rural Ontario gas stations are rare and not always open. Our main driver, Tesla is so liberating. We also love that the attached garage does not fill up with fumes and pollute the house. Help! Our Sierra is almost out of gas, the extra gas can is empty. We have gas anxiety.

[@ASBO_LUTELY]

You have a functioning Sierra? That's a modern classic !

[@octarinehk]

Don’t be too down on the UK. The number of high power chargers here visibly seemed to jump in 2023. Big hat tip to gridserve making them very visible on the motorway network. (Wish the price was more reasonable)

[@ambassadorfromreality1125]

Regarding the proposed stop burning stuff in Washington. Try linking up with Rollie Williams of "climate town ". Very entertaining man with an important message

[@zippymark]

A little history, Crude electric carriages were first invented in the late 1820s and 1830s. Practical, commercially available electric vehicles appeared during the 1890s. An electric vehicle held the vehicular land speed record until around 1900. In the early 20th century, the high cost, low top speed, and short range of battery electric vehicles, compared to internal combustion engine vehicles, led to a worldwide decline in their use as private motor vehicles. Electric vehicles have continued to be used for loading and freight equipment and for public transport - especially rail vehicles. EVs aren't new technology, they've been superseded by much better for people to get around 'the ICE car'.

[@gothmog2441]

Until the lower top speed of ICE vehicles and increasing range of Li ion batteries, and lower CO2 emissions of EVs led to the pendulum swinging back and ICE vehicles falling out of fashion…

[@MrGMawson2438]

Lol I'm 45 and still live with my mum an dad

[@scottfranco1962]

I'm republican and I have had an EV since 2013. Its not a left right thing. EVs are simply better. I like oil and natural gas too, and if we stop doing stupid stuff like burning it and breathing it we will have a much better relationship with this great natural resource. Its become popular to bash EVs. My take on that is "well, then don't buy one". I think the government REQUIRING you buy an EV isn't helping. It recalls memories of your mom forcing you to drink castor oil. The technology can stand on its own. To me, one of the biggest issues here in the USA is about what you said about BYD cars appearing on the road in Australia. The USA government has basically barred BYD from entry to the USA, and one of the candidates has professed a tariff war against BYD if they set up a factory in Mexico to get around the current restrictions. All the complaints here in the USA about EVs costing too much, the USA makers claiming they can't make a profit on EVs, etc. And here is BYD showing it can solve these issues, but the US government is going full protectionist against them. Its insane.

[@RichardBacon-h5x]

Hi guys, great podcast but I have a request or two. I did a survey across my friends and family last week. Out of 20, only one had heard of StopBS. You need to publish more in the mass market. Poster campaigns on the city metros and trams, do talks in schools, work with our city mayors to promote EVs. London, Manchester, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Bristol, Cardiff, Birmingham. Get you message out there. And you need to talk to the BBC who seem ambivalent to EVs at best and continue to spread FUD. Example was a few months ago with a "You And Yours" phone in. The team were quoting rubbish about charger pricing along with the usual falsehoods.

[@Bubbz2024]

I really Enjoyed the interview. It's time to invest

[@solentbum]

Last year I didn't buy 440 gallons of petrol for my EV. Multiply that by a million cars and that begins to hurt the garage sales figures.

[@robertwood574]

And taxes, I know let’s charge electric vehicles to regain the losses

[@solentbum]

@@robertwood574 that has already been announced.

[@solentbum]

@@robertwood574 ALready being done.

[@MrGMawson2438]

BYD begin manufacturing thousands of EVs for Australia & NZ in Thailand The Electric Viking

[@bluetoad2668]

Sodium batteries are not a mature technology and are only now being mooted for stationary storage, it's foolish to pin your hopes on that.

[@gfbprojects1071]

A favourite road trip game in Australia (and probably everywhere) is 'Punch Buggy'. In pre EV days if you saw a VW Beetle on the road you would scream 'punch buggy' and punch your fellow sibling sitting in the back seat. These days, the Beetle has been replaced by the Tesla. Other EV models are starting to become known as they penetrate the market. A variant of the game is called Spotto - same thing, without the punching. Its been a long time but its all finally happening.

[@rk-jc9se]

Used to be a favorite game of my kids in the USA too

[@ramblerandy2397]

Around a week later. Went to The Everything Electric Show, at the Excel Centre, last Thursday. This time with a specific reason and questions about domestic clean energies. And I got my answers and I am much clearer on the way forward now. I've been to several Fully Charged events including Farnborough, for example, and stayed all day. This time I was in and out in about 3.5 hours. Still had time for side events like turning down loads of invitations to have a test drive [I have a BEV, though I was tempted]. Sitting in a BYD Seal, which is a very nice car indeed. A Great Wall Motors Funky Cat [again, that's the 3rd time - so cute]. An MG Cyberster - boy is that thing going to sell. It's ridiculously good looking, very comfortable, and shouts new technology. The Rep said, "you'd like to drive off in that, yeah?" She was right. I don't like to use the word "cool", as it is overused, but that MG is. They do need to make a hardtop version for wetter/colder countries, but I think it's going to be a very popular convertible, even in the UK. I enquired of the price. She didn't know exactly or approximately, as it is a close secret. I pressed for a ballpark figure? It'll come in single and dual motor versions. Single motor around £50-60K, Dual - £60-70K. These are going to be performance cars, even the single motor. I hope they can make enough.

[@grahamconnolly3241]

Are electric cars being fitted with GEO Fencing and Geo Timing capabilities can you explain these please.

[@robsmith1a]

It's certainly true that the negative tabloid coverage has affected people's perceptions of EVs (I've pretty much given up trying to persuade anyone in the pub otherwise unless I'm feeling particularly feisty). I think another headwind is that some people try an EV and switch back to a combustion car because of the practicalities and lack of financial incentive to do so if you aren't a company car driver (I used to have a Zoe but now have an SLK). I have other friends who have given up EVs because of the practical aspects and this really needs addressing. Public chargers, are expensive, often of the wrong type in the wrong place and there isn't proper nationwide coverage yet. The price of electricity means that diesel is cheaper in many cases unless you are home charging. I still think that anyone who can't charge at home has to sacrifice quite a lot in terms of time and money to drive an EV and most people aren't willing to do this. I'm yet to see a cheap and practical solution for flat owners. The structure of company car incentives distorts the market meaning that lots of big, heavy, ludicrously fast and expensive to insure EVs are hitting the used market and these aren't really what people want as used buyers. The situation could be so much better if the government had put some planning in to this as Tesla did (even in the case of Tesla there are some dead areas still).

[@0KiteEatingTree0]

That’s a shame about the Honda E It seemed like a very good vehicle, practical. The turning circle and really good boot or even more with the seats down

[@MrAdopado]

Cute, expensive, terrible range.

[@topcat807]

​@@MrAdopado "cute, expensive,terrible range" Sounds like it's better then pretty much all other EVs then considering it's cute.

[@keithbennett1656]

You mentioned Statista at the beginning of the feature.According to them private cars produce around 7% of global emissions.Why is there so much effort put into addressing such a relatively small percentage of emissions ? Why don't i see the same effort being put into changing the behaviours of the producers of the other 93% of emissions producers ?

[@gregbailey45]

Home solar + battery with arbitrage energy trading is the best response to this problem. Become part of a distributed (virtual) power plant.

[@sebyst7907]

Oil usage is 1/3 of total primary energy consumption. EVs can make a massive change here. Don't know where you get your 7% figure

[@keithbennett1656]

@@sebyst7907 As i said i got the figures from Statista.

[@user-hf7jp2lt5x]

Lots of large companies have committed to zero carbon by 2050 and mine (a 2 billion turnover uk based international) has committed earlier. We have major investments in generation and energy efficiency. These stories just don’t make the news. Cars do.

[@keithbennett1656]

​@@user-hf7jp2lt5x Making a commitment is not the same as having the government force change on you.

[@ricklinde9147]

PHEV sales are increasing way faster than EVs. They use only 25% of battery materials while, for most people, provides 90% of the benefits of an EV. In the US, there are waiting lists for Prius and Rav4 Primes.

[@waynerussell6401]

No. PHEVS are not increasing way faster! BEVS continue to increase sales faster. In mature markets like Norway there are very few PHEVs sold - in 2023 BEVs 72 %; PHEVs 7 % of total vehicle sales. Worldwide in 2023 BEVs 11,1 % and PHEVs 4,7 %. Only country with large increase % last year was China. Every vehicle sold with ICE is an unnecessary crime against nature! EV Volumes.

[@nickthegriffin]

You dont need discounts/incentives if the product is actually better than what it is replacing people will just buy them as there just better. Id like to see the sales figures of ev vs ice with no incentive to see what the average person actually wants rather than what there forced to buy

[@anticat900]

The UK 'Government' needs to sort out the piss take prices of EV 50kw charging, 60, 70 and 80p a kwh is just wrong and will limit EV sales in the future.

[@davidg9057]

EV sales in the Uk are not growing for a reason. We have one - a Mercedes EQC so I’m not anti EV but when public charging is unregulated and costs far more than petrol or diesel it’s a non market for anyone without a home charger. Also when the government look for ways to recoup their lost revenues on fuel sales in the future expect backlash phase 2.

[@slowercuber7767]

43:54 As a pro electrification, pro EV, Tesla driving, “barking mad” pro MAGA American man(iac?) I understand your confusion, but I don’t share it, it’s simply a matter of first principles and priorities. Great show, BTW, you’re spot on that the burnable substance subsidies should end, especially those promoting the growing of corn to act as a fuel additive source. It is critical that the Federal and State governments get behind an achievable set of goals to transform our transmission and distribution networks to use technologies that support an organic, reasonably regulated growth of battery backed solar power at all levels of the grid. EVs are only one of many new tech loads that the grid will be required to support in the coming decades, and if sensibly enabled, EVs can be part of the solution to the challenges, instead of just being another challenge.

[@stephencollins5706]

Toyota are still harping on about Hydrogen DOH!

[@bobwallace9753]

Big Oil, legacy auto, and car dealerships are probably in a full panic about their building disruption. Expect them to very aggressively fight back against EVs and renewable energy.

[@Thunderbuck]

I think what is happening now is natural, inevitable, and ultimately healthy. EVs are very good now. Genuinely “good enough” for most, and the charging network is now the real limiting factor. Industry is adopting EVs at a massive rate. They don’t give a toss about politics, they just see the benefits and they’re all in. So in the coming years millions of professional drivers are going to get their first experience driving electric at work. And they’re going to realize there’s a lot to recommend it.

[@johnford3825]

Once the EV manufacturers target the family car segment rather than the expensive niche market, I am sure the uptake will accelerate.

[@charlesmoss8119]

Can you detail thef9ssil fuel subsidy? I hear it quoted but have never seen stats - also the offset against take against things like fuel sale?

[@maxbrooks1191]

Yeah i keep hearing about the fossil fuel subsidies but they are never pointed out where you can get this info,we as consumers pay exorbinant taxes and excise on fossil fuels over half the price per litre is taxes and excise in my opinion excise is a tax ,slimy politicians beg to differ so what subsidies definetly not at the consumer end.

[@lafamillecarrington]

The current CEOs of oil companies have made enough money in the last few years to not give a damn about falling oil use. I wonder if a change to a Labour government will have the same effect on EV sales as in Australia - somehow, and despondently, I doubt it.

[@trev-e-luz789]

When’s the uk government gonna stop dragging their feet over legalising electric scooters???

[@arleneallen8809]

Sounds like, due to its absence, that a show in USA is going to be a while, if ever. Very much enjoyed Austin even though the shows were so much smaller then.

[@MarlinMay]

By not coming back to the US, they've opened up a window for competition. Regional shows are popping up plus a new nationwide show. Maybe one day they'll come to New England (or anywhere in the Northeast). 🙂

[@johnsmedley8843]

Maybe put the whole brand, under one website, fully charged, it's a great name and would be simpler.

[@alaneasthope2357]

If one person (Robert) says he drives an EV, they think he's crazy. If two people say it, they think it's strange. If three people say it, they think it's a conspiracy. If four people say it, they're an organisation, and if thousands of people say it, it's a revolution. (A tip-of-the-hat to Woody Guthrie and Alice's Restaurant.)

[@maxflight777]

3:52 I haven’t heard of your guest before…. But he makes a great deal of sense !

[@chrisreid6237]

As a private buyer cost is the only issue, electric cars are so much more expensive, even though they are coming down in cash cost the lease and pcp cost is still massively higher than petrol cars of the same cash cost. I bought a car last year on a hire purchase for less than the pcp cost of an equivalently priced ev.

[@tivvy-xf4kz]

This is it exactly. I can't afford any and I mean any ev currently on sale. I also include used ev's in that statement. There are plenty of used Leafs available now but their battery states leave a lot to be desired and vary greatly but at least you can see the bars at a glance. Some cars only have 6 bars left meaning a very low range. All ev's should have a visible indicator of battery state. Either that or the used car dealers should have to obtain a mandatory check on battery state and have it displayed in their ads. It used to be mileage/general condition of a used car but a used ev tends to be a bit of a gamble .

[@rickyjulian496]

That ban on the sale and lease of brand new ice from 2025 needs to come back before they bring in tax for EVs. Its far too early.. Hopefully Labours ownership of the grid will also guarantee ownership of fast chargers because they could bring the price per kwg down by 50% and still make a decent profit to invest back into our roads, national grid and renewables

[@MyMateYourMate]

Could you talk about increasing adoption in the 2nd hand market? I’ve just bought my first EV (Hyundai Ioniq) and I won’t go back. Lots of cars seem to be rolling off pcp deals into the used market.