Capture, Store and Save Energy on YOUR Terms! | Fully Charged Show Podcast with Duracell Energy

[@andym1548]

Went all in this year…. 12Kw of solar over two Inverters with 20Kw batteries each. We use about 40Kw of power a day so on the high end of domestic use. Already had an EV on Intelligent Octopus Go so now able to make the most of solar and when we need grid its on 7p / unit into the batteries at night and use during the day with nearly zero from Grid. OctoAid has us running at over 99% off peak prices. If my calcs are correct we will draw nothing at all from the grid from spring to autumn. Payback in 4-5 years with a real term ROI of 15-20% per annum on my total capital investment…. Energy security and blackout protection covered. 100% no brainer.

[@freeheeler09]

At this moment, for the first time since horse carts and wood stoves, we can power our own homes, businesses and vehicles from solar, batteries and EVs. Good to finally see Duracel in the game.

[@freeheeler09]

And folks, most homes are going to need 50 kWh to b feee fem the predatory, unreliable and rapacious electric utility cartels.

[@andyca15]

We need a Kryten voice option for Alexa, or at least for a few Everything Electric related skills.

[@daviesic]

Excellent analogy of the advantages of battery & solar!

[@TomTom-cm2oq]

This must be the best interview on this channel yet! Thank you to both of you for all the great information!

[@barriedear5990]

woolliest explanation of C rates ever!

[@simonpannett8810]

Batteries that allow you to run on night storage rates can be very worthwhile! Battery prices yet to drop further!

[@Theodore-tj4jo]

I'm Im off grid its excellent eve more independant

[@frejaresund3770]

I have been enjoyed, so thank you for sharing.

[@williammillard687]

Presumably, on numerous occasions, when the sun isn’t shining, it’s er windy. So, there’s that! Wind turbines and solar panels aren’t the same.

[@DarrellMinards]

About time...Duracell haven't been at the forefront and lagged behind but glad they're finally joining the transition

[@Mr.N0.0ne]

Just in case this helps you, Duracell is a company, which is a thing, and therefore it would be correct to say "Duracell hasn't...", rather than "Duracell haven't..." When I was learning English, I used to make the same mistake because I thought, well, a company is a group of people, which is a "they", so " haven't" would be the right word. But it turned out that was wrong.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

What pronoun should one use for a company instead of "They", it's a third person singular and plural subject personal pronoun. As a company is defined in law as a legal person *_they_* can use personal pronouns, or have I missed something? It's not being used in its generic form to represent groups of things. Similarly with the possessive pronoun "Their".

[@markklinger7074]

I've just installed a battery to go with my solar and I am mostly running my house and cars at 7p/kw. There is a bit of a learning curve but I certainly think it will pay for itself.

[@gerryking4346]

Robert made the point that as more people charge off peak the off peak rates are going to be higher. Does this suggest that investment in a battery isn’t going to offer much of an advantage at that point?

[@leegoodman297]

It's more the EV charging that would eventually affect off peak rates as more and more people make the switch. It'll more likely move towards charging batteries when there's plenty of renewable power so it doesn't go to waste. So house batteries will continue to be a sound investment for shifting cheap power to cover peak demand periods. They're also very useful in storing solar energy if you have your own array for use over night.

[@jamesengland7461]

I do think the price advantage may shrink, but not disappear

[@jonevansauthor]

No I don't think so because most people will have solar. Using that power yourself is better for you than sending it to the grid. But the power can be exported across Europe so there'll always be somewhere for it to go. Some economists believe power will become free per unit, and you'll just be paying for the grid connection because like Unlimited Texts and Calls it'll just become too cheap to be worth charging for. Not any time all that soon though. They also have other benefits such as coping with power cuts - both local and national and the software is going to balance everything out for you.

[@gerryking4346]

@@leegoodman297 thank you! I’m considering installing a heat pump and a storage battery. I’d pretty much narrowed it down to GivEnergy so this confuses matters slightly. I don’t envisage getting solar as my house is in the shadow of an avenue of huge trees restricting sunlight.

[@TheComfiestChair]

I would expect that the standard off peak setup of 6 hours overnight will change. But there will still be times of lower demand - it just may be at 10:00-16:00 in the future, or a proliferation of smart tariffs like Octopus agile :) Being able to load shift with a battery may vary over time in terms of return, but it should always prove a useful tool.

[@simonpaine2347]

I recently visited my local cash and carry, which has a free for customers charging point. However, I noticed that they have just installed a diesel powered emergency generator for backup. I guess that they might need it for convenience as well as insurance properties. I'm not sure what the cost of that kind of system is, as well as the ongoing maintenance and testing, but surely it now makes much more financial sense to install solar panels and a battery backup. This would obviously seriously reduce their high electricity bill, as well as giving them the backup required. Win win!

[@kennethstealey1311]

Dear Bobby, Please would you do a "walk-around" of your home and an explanation of how all of your systems work together. I would love to see a "worked example". Thanks

[@jackbyron2149]

Have you seen this video they filmed about Robert's house? A Tour Of Robert Llewellyn’s Ultra-Efficient Eco Home: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jou9mqakhs5qjdk It's a couple of years old now, but discusses many of the aspects you asked about.

[@Rocketboy-qg6ts]

I’ve just got some Duracell home batteries, so this was quite timely. Much much cheaper than Tesla and am already seeing the benefits.

[@gelaarveladze5723]

there is no need to wait 5 years, we have already created and installed 11 working units, wind turbines for residential sector, private usage. 1 and 2 kwts models, hopefully next year we will start our market boom

[@DavidRains-j4u]

I have just ordered solar panels and a battery for my own house, when you look at the projected savings it’s a no brainier and puts you the consumer in control. It begs the question though as to why the government is not really backing this approach with grants and loans to the degree that it should if it they want to see consumers ( including businesses ) bills go down and lift people out of fuel poverty. Reducing demand on the grid should be the first priority rather than building ever more pylons, solar “farms” and battery storage sites on farmland. Their approach to use big business to invest in and build this infrastructure in my opinion will result in consumers paying a high price for electricity into the future. Perhaps this is something you could look into for a future show?

[@peteglass3496]

Well they have cut the VAT to zero %. It was the last govt, they were a bit slow about allowing batteries alone.

[@markkunes9711]

Some things he said a bit dubious "battery prices will go up again so get them now" . They fell by 50% in 2023 and the price continues downward. They never mention how long it will take to pay back the cost in energy savings. Their emphasis is on quality which translates to they are dearer than the opposition.

[@manzourahmed3383]

Why not encourage/subsidize installation on urban roof space (residential and commercial). Would reduce need for grid upgrade and delays in in connections.

[@Burtis89]

I also wondered this and decided / been informed it's due to leases on buildings, landlords, grid connections in that area may need upgrading also. Also quality of the roofs of these buildings being able to support the extra weight. So basically it's waaaay more paperwork therefore more money compared to just slapping the panels on open land. But the gov just announced they are going to push more into this area so that's a result make the energy where it's used makes more sense right? 👍

[@DavidRains-j4u]

@@Burtis89 if the local cables need upgrading then that’s what should be the focus not National infrastructure. If there is the will I’m sure we could get a solution to leases and landlords.

[@IANREA]

So question how long to charge an EV from your battery storage, how much battery storage ? And can you run your house at the same time. Say there is a power cut, planned or not, in December, like during the recent storms where some houses have had no power for 4 days. The ironic part is that you still pay a standing charge for a supply that isn’t there

[@WanderingDutchman]

This government (2024) wants energy suppliers to offer tariffs with and without separate standing charges.

[@royeasto885]

With export rates being more than overnight rates it is a better strategy to charge up batteries every night even in the summer and export excess power in the day as it generates more money than the overnight charging cost. I'd love to see a product that didn't require an electrician to install, i.e. a battery with a 13A plug and a connection to monitor the grid flow.

[@jonshearing889]

A Jackery (or other) connected via smart plug with a connection to an energy supplier's app should do it (eg Octopus Agile via IFTTT)

[@kophotography895]

I would suggest that battery storage offers a short term return , however as the market moves to more electric usage IE EV this will change, use your EV to run your house etc

[@estuarypress]

Very nice of you to not mention Tesla that has all this already in place, except V2H power. The powerwall is 13.5 Kwh , not 5. And what exactly is an Average Joe? A moving target is hard to hit.

[@simonpaine2347]

Every democracy loving person should be avoiding Tesla at all costs.

[@Hyfly13]

@bobbyllew will obviously have to be the voice of the battery AI 😂

[@karlorf2023]

GB is not a very sunny country but very windy. So the best solution is building windmills with storages.

[@Hyfly13]

Are variable tariffs going to be around long enough for a home storage battery to pay back without having your own solar panels to store from? Or should I try using a car instead?

[@solartime8983]

🌞(Sharing decades of experience with subject,this comment is not for majority) Realize staying TIED to utilities (any Centralized Power) long-term, will Never give you advantage of fully gaining Independence! If you are connected, eventually they will control your energy costs , either thru Rate manipulation or using you own energy storage ,etc.) Once majority are Dependent on connections, they will change 'benefits' owner is temporary gaining now🤐. The Only way to Fully benefit from YOUR energy, is to fully avoid centralized Power Entities.🗽

[@WanderingDutchman]

Until consumers install a heat pump... then a 30 to 50 kWh home battery will become the norm. 😮

[@t1n4444]

@@WanderingDutchman But is that remotely likely in UK? Dear Rachel is busily mopping up any "spare" cash in any way she can dream up ... doesn't leave a lot of cash for the "average" punter to invest in heat pumps, solar panels and storage battery. Plus if a property is a buy to let are there that.mamy landlords going to be that inclined to save their tenants cash by installing insulation and the rest of it?

[@FrankReif]

I hope people realise that we can't all individually do this. It'd be an extremely wasteful way to design an energy system. Eventually the plebs will rise to and be able to spot those PV panels and allotments, to the point were Elon might question the loyalties of his body guards. We're in the together no matter what.

[@pinkelephants1421]

Robert: You already have a diverter at your house. That's what the EDDI does, along with the other MyEnergi products.

[@Burtis89]

Council estates / flat blocks could utlise this sort of system with great rewards to make bills cheaper for them using huge battery storage systems. Vertical solar arrays on the walls or even maybe turbines/communal heat pumps on the roofs being high up. All being beneficial to grid balancing as they can soak up a lot, charge and discharge a lot. Community batteries make more sense to me than personal ones as a starting point to bring the costs down 🤔

[@kophotography895]

The only issue here is people would then download from the flat battery stores to their own personal batteries stores and resell it to others within the flats. Power Gangs etc. This was already identified by fraud prevention companies

[@Burtis89]

@kophotography895 easily solved with fitting non export meters. I think that situation you mention is just a scare tactic

[@kophotography895]

Interesting if you have a 90 amp fuse on a consumer unit how many amps can you draw per hour? Using a single ring main of a flat you can draw? Therefore if someone draws via 3 pin plug to batteries on mass they will empty the larger batteries, it is already an issue with flats on mains power, not a scare tactic, this is one reason smart energy meters are being installed, to watch & prevent, however batteries have not caught up yet.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

@@kophotography895 - you can draw 90 amps, doesn't matter if it's per second, per minute or per millennium. An ampere is an instaneous unit, not a timed one, that can be constant, varying or averaged over a time period. If one specifies amps for a time period it becomes a measure of electric charge measured in coulombs. I suspect you mean power and energy, 90A at 240V is 21.6kW of power, with 21.6kW over an hour is 21.6kWh of energy. However, this is a max peak rating rather than the continuous power level expected to be drawn. That said the limitation here isn't the consumer unit fuse but the current rating of the ring main and more specifically a single socket on the ring main. A domestic ring main's current capacity depends upon the fuse/mcb/rcbo rating in the fuse box but is typically 32 amps in the UK, with the output per socket is specified at a max peak load of 13 amps, although the continous load current is generally expected to be 8 or 10 amps. A single 13 amp socket would then support a power draw of 1.92kW to 2.4kW. So the theoretical continuous energy one can draw on a single socket is 2.4kWh. However, some ignore the safe levels and fit a 13 amp fuse (which blows with loads over 24.7A) in the plug, here even drawing a constant 13A load for over the 30 minute expected max usage duration would likely result in a fire in the cable, plug or socket.

[@mateusfreira]

The question is, when will you start selling in 🇧🇷?

[@kophotography895]

The EV battery install quotes have only gone up due to marketing, no-one thought it was an option before recent new technologies. So 20-80% increase is an expected & a given, however everyone is quoting only 2 brands of battery at those prices, so good luck trying to sell something that is more expensive. Also the two way inverters might be an issue currently as well.

[@Julian_Wang-pai]

I would really value help in the horticultural field 😄 sorry, small-scale solar powered systems for drawing borehole water, also pond pumping for irrigation purposes. I would be blessed 😊

[@jimjolly4560]

19:30 TLAs!

[@sygad1]

How does this differ from project mercury from Octopus?

[@ianmcmillan5590]

What’s the payback period for all this kit ???

[@kophotography895]

With Durecell this would be a lifetime commitment.

[@kophotography895]

Brokering pricing is different to wholesale pricing

[@charlo90952]

The problem is the cost of maintaining the grid is going to be borne by fewer homeowners driving up their costs.

[@stp926]

Where are the 13A plug and play storage batteries?

[@hayabond893]

Who lives in a house at -10 degrees I will stick to LFP

[@advisorsandy2068]

Duracell isn't that the company that sells mountains of very expensive disposable batteries that often end up in landfills. Profit driven Johnny come lateleys IMHO.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

yes and no - the company behind this battery is a UK one known as Puredrive, they have a name/branding licencing agreement with the Duracell company, which you're referring to.

[@brianbailey4565]

If battery storage works on small scale for home owners why dont the energy suppliers install mega battery packs themselves as normally with increased scaling up in size more savings can be made. He either does not understand "C" rating or explained it wrong, "C" rating does not change the amount of energy a battery can store. A battery does not go flat quicker if it does not have a high "C" rating so his underfloor heating statement is incorrect.

[@kophotography895]

I also do not agree with the presentation / wording from the presenter (not host) he is using his words very carefully, do you research peeps, wholesale pricing does not reflect what we pay directly, there are too many middlemen who want their money before we get the price, it is how business works.

[@t1n4444]

Quite so. Far, far too many snouts in the trough.

[@steve32627]

Our current electric tariff is a variable peak, day ahead pricing. While the retail rate is obviously not the wholesale rate, it is directly tied to that cost and tracks accordingly. From an automation standpoint, I can easily see where using one regional variable for calculations is way easier (for now) than trying to obtain and calculate based on hundreds of thousands of individual location costs. The difference between wholesale and retail is not just "too many middlemen", its where the costs for transmission, substations, distribution, service trucks, service personnel, customer service, ect are funded from. I work with a very large industrial complex. We get electricity at a very discounted rate. The flip side is that we take power in at 138k volts directly from the transmission network. We had to build and maintain out own substation and inter-plant 13K volt distribution system. There is no free lunch.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

In the UK the cost of electricity is made up of several elements and undergoing change at the moment since the introduction of NESO earlier this year. The largest variable element, that significantly changes the most freuqently (half hourly) is the Wholesale Electricity Cost. The other element are fairly fixed percentages that shift in line with the change in wholesale cost. The middle men would be the wholesalers (power generators), the transmission and distribution network provider (who managers the power lines and capacity across the grid), the energy supplier (who buys electricity and sells it onto the consumer, managing consumer contracts and billing to provide energy) and the government (collects the taxes and tariffs placed on on the provision of electricity): - the Wholesale Electricity Cost, which represents ~35% of a bill - this is the cost of generating the electricity comprising the raw energy cost, the cost of losses in the network and the cost of imbalance (cost covering the difference between generation and demand). - the Network Costs, which represents ~25% of a bill - this is the cost of transmission, distribition, balancing cost, losses cost for the network plus a cost for assiting areas with high distribution costs (some areas experience significantly higher distribution costs due to network design/age, these extra costs involved is averaged out across the UK). - the Government Obligations (Environmental & Social Tariffs) Cost, which vary over time and represents 15% to 25% of the bill - these are the taxes/tariffs/levies/duties placed on the cost of electrical energy by government and vary over time, but in general represent a way of meeting social and environmental costs. Such the old Feed In Tariff and new Export Guartantee home solar export schemes, charges for capacity management during winter times, warm home discounts, insulation schemes, fuel poverty/decarbonising schemes, schemes to pay for renewable generation incentives. - Supplier Operating Costs / Direct Costs / Margin, which represents the remainder 10% to 20% of the bill - the costs for managing the provision of energy to the consumer, the supplier margin (profit) element tends to be a few percent or less and is taxed separately to the bill (payable by the supplier to the government). - VAT - the value added tax on all the above, charged at 5% for domestic use (20% for business use). The billing/accounting period varies by supplier and contract (consumer energy tariff) - these vary from billing daily in arrears, through split day/night tariffs, to half hourly billed 'Agile' contracts that follow the wholesale price ups and down during the day.

[@davetester100]

@@t1n4444if you believe that then you’ll be the ideal candidate for solar / battery installation to cut out all the middlemen

[@Hyfly13]

The battery market isn't that competitive either it seems

[@eatcochayuyo]

I am a fan of Fully Charged and all. But batteries without solar are not economical! Even with solar they barely are. At the current price, break even is around ten years if you're really lucky. Which is usually the warranty time.

[@DavidRains-j4u]

The payback period on my installation ( solar and battery ) is 7 years, remember that every time the price of electricity goes up the payback period reduces.

[@eatcochayuyo]

@@DavidRains-j4u Yes. But if you calculate the battery separately, it is losing money. A cycle usually costs between 20 and 30 eurocents per kWh.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

@@eatcochayuyo - not in the UK, it costs between 5p and 9p per kWh if charging on a tariff with a low overnight rate.

[@Sparky400]

High quality products? Duracell batteries have gone down in quality. The batteries I have leaking most are Duracell. If they can no longer get the once mastered AA battery right, how can we trust them with a home battery?

[@GruffSillyGoat]

Different company (for now) - the company behind this battery is a UK one known as Puredrive, they have a name/branding licencing agreement with the Duracell company. Whether Berkshire Hathaway, who own the Duracell brand are involved in funding or have an intent to purchase Puredrive is anyones guess.

[@t1n4444]

Good point. We'll soon know.

[@Shelmerdine745]

This is just a commercial, disgusting

[@nigelgarvey2046]

Any interview with a CEO can be accused of that. Think of it more as an opportunity for those who are interested to learn about the history and ethos of one of the players in the renewable energy market. There's no pressure to buy here.

[@Shelmerdine745]

@ That’s ridiculous. You apparently didn’t watch the first part of the video.

[@nigelgarvey2046]

@@Shelmerdine745 Well. There's the OVO sponsorship message at the beginning of course. But there's more to the video than that.

[@Shelmerdine745]

@ I don’t know what your motive is for defending an obvious commercial, but this is getting silly. Go ahead, watch commercials if you want to, I don’t, and I call them out when I see them, so people know it’s not trustworthy.

[@michaelt7283]

It doesn't instill much confidence in him that he couldn't do some simple calculations on energy requirements and viability for electric underfloor elements. Followed up be calling wind turbines Windmills, sorry but that's terrible terminology from whats supposed to be a expert selling his products.

[@peterjones6322]

One correction- France is not on 3 phase for home power.

[@paulkearsley9509]

Don't agree. I have a house in France and it is on 3 phase

[@kophotography895]

Is C Rating equals Cycles Rating

[@edc1569]

1C means you discharge the entire battery in one hour, 0.5C means you discharge the entire battery in 2 hours. Same logic can apply to recharging.

[@GruffSillyGoat]

@@edc1569 - just a small addition 0.5C is also known as C2. If the digit appears before the C it's a divisor of an hour, if afterwards it's a multiplier (e.g. C2 is two hours to a full charge).