McLaren Honda MP4/6 (1991) vol.1 - 3.5L V12 Engine

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@PoggiiBonsii
@PoggiiBonsii 10 жыл бұрын
the honda V12 3.5 is a masterpiece. the best engine soundtrack of all time. that unigue deep dark bark is utterly addictive.....
@letsbuilda4ort
@letsbuilda4ort 5 жыл бұрын
Addictive is exactly right.
@patrickandersen4672
@patrickandersen4672 5 жыл бұрын
@@letsbuilda4ort Amen to that. I have been listening to this for 1½ hours now just this evening ;)
@ellisjackson3355
@ellisjackson3355 4 жыл бұрын
@Mr. Handsome yup the V10s sound diabolical too
@userk_yt8966
@userk_yt8966 4 жыл бұрын
V12 3.0 412 ferrari 412 T2 much better
@ChrisSmith-gx4ri
@ChrisSmith-gx4ri 4 жыл бұрын
@@userk_yt8966 No they arent. The Honda sounds just as good if you have ever heard it at 100%, especially because it was mated to a manual trans. Downshifting sounds glorious.
@allendavidson3748
@allendavidson3748 10 жыл бұрын
Formula 1 cars have never looked or sounded better then this.
@nickthegreekgreek156
@nickthegreekgreek156 4 жыл бұрын
Honda BAR V10 2003 sound 🔊....
@RIRI-el6xm
@RIRI-el6xm 3 жыл бұрын
@@nickthegreekgreek156 All Honda engine are Relay Great !!! The best gazoline engine. I like la mp4/4 V6 turbo kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZoianaicncRqf7M&ab_channel=Deckay_F
@rizkyrafi19
@rizkyrafi19 3 жыл бұрын
Williams FW26 sound 🔥🔥🔥
@chassagnonadrian9341
@chassagnonadrian9341 3 жыл бұрын
Ferrari 412/T2 and Mclaren MP4/20 (2005), very beautiful also
@jayp.6166
@jayp.6166 3 жыл бұрын
You are not wrong
@azwris
@azwris 10 жыл бұрын
sometimes I think I'm so lucky I grew up with these sounds. I remember myself immitating them during school lessons causing tons of laughs to the classroom. Bad thing is when I realize how time slept away. 20 years without Ayrton is way too much...
@1010thechamp
@1010thechamp 10 жыл бұрын
I know what you mean, I was a kid growing up with F1 using V12's and then brilliant the V10's, the sound we have now is garbage, the racing is a farce and yes Senna's Imola accident seems like yesterday but is already 20 years, I can remember it clearly as anything even though I was 9 years old and have been in love with F1 for a good 3 years already. Now in 2014 I have finally stopped watching F1 after only missing 5 races in 22 years.
@drewhender3999
@drewhender3999 8 жыл бұрын
+GhostsKuriboh 2016 been fantastic so far
@bZLxcz
@bZLxcz 7 жыл бұрын
Drew Hender not at all
@Darkwell0071
@Darkwell0071 6 жыл бұрын
I still make the sounds at 70. My wife gives me a funny look.
@oldben1800
@oldben1800 2 жыл бұрын
you were, the late 80 through the 90s was the best era of life imo
@BeanDip96_
@BeanDip96_ 10 жыл бұрын
I absolutely LOVE the 3.5 Hondas from that era. The low rpm sounds like a lambo V12, then it just loses it's mind as if theres no limit!!! Simply an amazing engine.
@GDH1981
@GDH1981 9 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, this is in the top 5 greatest sounding F1 engines ever
@HubAndre
@HubAndre 9 жыл бұрын
+GDH1981 Matra V12 nr.1
@7777Leander
@7777Leander 8 жыл бұрын
+GDH1981 It's a great sounding engine, but I prefer the sound of the mp4/5. It just sounds a lot more dramatic and savage.
@brainandforce
@brainandforce 7 жыл бұрын
The prominent straight-cut gear whine on acceleration really makes the MP4/5 the best sounding F1 car in my opinion (though it's almost beat by the RA272). The V12 can really rev up high, though, and I'd say the pure engine sound on the MP4/6 is better, even though I prefer the sound profile of a V10.
@daltycait4618
@daltycait4618 6 жыл бұрын
O MY GOD. the revs that start at 6:09 and that echo! This race car is absolutely pristine
@mozambique0517
@mozambique0517 10 жыл бұрын
この音を聴いて泣きそうになった。
@だい-i8g
@だい-i8g Жыл бұрын
ホントその通り
@CAMEL_love
@CAMEL_love 8 ай бұрын
全然世代じゃないのに、目に涙が浮かんで来ました笑
@Bergermans2
@Bergermans2 9 жыл бұрын
Actually, this 1991 Mclaren is "the" most hardcore F1 car ever build of every era in F1.. This car had no active suspension, no flappy paddle gearbox, no ABS, no traction control (sort of), no active aero, no hybrid power.. ;) And still, they only managed to get as competitive as this car around 2000 (in lap times..) ;) (10 years later fcs..!) It was just the sheer brutal V12 power, the wide tires, the heavy aero, and.. the hands of the master himself (and Berger also ofcourse) which why this thing was so bloody fast. Love it to the bone! Look at spa 1991 quali.. Best F1 car ever with the best line up imho! Thanks for posting this man! Watched it a 1000 times last year!
@Bergermans2
@Bergermans2 9 жыл бұрын
+Helvecio Neto Yes, true, Spa was changed in 2000 (Raidillon), 2003 (bus stop). That's why I mentioned 10 years later. For the facts about the '92 season; check multiple pole times. Or even the quali lap at Suzuka or Monza compared between '91 and '92. Only track in 9'2 they were idd faster for pole was Monaco I think? The aero changed in 92, cars were a little heavier and stood higher from the ground, still same tire width. In '93 they ran smaller tires in width. At the end, it isn't all that important, good racing is what counts :)
@theiceman7590
@theiceman7590 7 ай бұрын
Yep it took till 2001 in Suzuka for these cars to be surpassed. 1991/1992 was peak F1.
@jp_0118
@jp_0118 9 жыл бұрын
MP 4/4, 4/5, and 4/6 are by far my most favourite F1 cars
@bZLxcz
@bZLxcz 7 жыл бұрын
Solo_Drift_Pixy the Ferrari 412 t2 too
@ahimeirhadad4836
@ahimeirhadad4836 3 ай бұрын
Also same sound MP4/4 V6 and MP6/7 V6
@peterhinitt
@peterhinitt 11 жыл бұрын
Fantastic wonderful machine, that glorious V12 Honda music. I remember Ayrton screaming it down the Hangar straight at Silverstone into Stowe Corner and fast blipping the throttle through the apex. Fantastic memories. Thank you for making these bids available on KZbin.
@kayejeyeracer
@kayejeyeracer 8 жыл бұрын
Sennas ROARING Honda Engine..Honda POWER!!
@TheAlmightyClipse
@TheAlmightyClipse 8 жыл бұрын
That's how an F1 car is supposed to sound.
@TackKeyNack
@TackKeyNack 7 жыл бұрын
Exactly. The V6 doesn't seem interesting anymore.
@markoatf5121
@markoatf5121 5 жыл бұрын
V10 screaming at 19000 rpm..are nice too
@andrearojas1248
@andrearojas1248 11 жыл бұрын
Gerhard Berger's car number 2. The late 80's /early 90's were the best time of formula 1 racing. Real drivers in real cars. Nice look and great sound by the way. Dream-team Senna, Berger, McLaren and Honda.
@hejdiklump
@hejdiklump 10 жыл бұрын
cleanest f1 car ever
@ColonelJohnmatrix1000
@ColonelJohnmatrix1000 6 жыл бұрын
Best looking and sounding F1 car of all time.
@Tony_Prado
@Tony_Prado 2 жыл бұрын
Este sempre será o trio mais foda da história da Fórmula 1: Motor V12 Honda, cores da Marlboro no carro e nosso eterno Ayrton Senna!
@AlexSilva-zu8ep
@AlexSilva-zu8ep Жыл бұрын
88, 89, 90 e 91 foram anos fantásticos.
@MariusvanVuuren
@MariusvanVuuren 10 жыл бұрын
This car, the MP4/6 along with the Legendary MP4/4 are amongst the greatest F1 cars of all time... and Senna raced BOTH Cars to Championship victories. Love the sound of that V12.
@thulioribeiro3212
@thulioribeiro3212 8 жыл бұрын
Ayrton Senna of Brazillllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.
@Mycupofjoe91
@Mycupofjoe91 8 жыл бұрын
Thulio Ribeiro THE LEGEND MAY HE REST IN PIECE
@bZLxcz
@bZLxcz 7 жыл бұрын
Thulio Ribeiro from*
@benjamins9121
@benjamins9121 3 жыл бұрын
@@bZLxcz I know this is 4 years old but saying someone is "of" a country means the same thing as they are from said country.
@pdalia
@pdalia 7 жыл бұрын
Glorious Sound!!! What a symphony ! By far the best sounding engine in history . Absolutely astonishing !
@oldben1800
@oldben1800 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, I love the V10s but the V12s have such a hearty feel...it makes you cry
@rorcarte
@rorcarte 10 жыл бұрын
Those start up revs are biblical at 2:40
@Rottensteam
@Rottensteam 9 жыл бұрын
I want that kind of a throttle respons in my Citroën! Lol
@patrickandersen4672
@patrickandersen4672 5 жыл бұрын
I also liked how the kneeling guy to the left waved his hand eagerly signalling to give it throttle ;)
@Addicted2OILau
@Addicted2OILau 10 жыл бұрын
Glorious just glorious, I wish could see this accelerated a bit harder, could tell he was being gentle with the precious masterpiece
@patrickandersen4672
@patrickandersen4672 5 жыл бұрын
As he should be although we all wanna hear this animal of a car being let loose.
@TheKooster31
@TheKooster31 7 жыл бұрын
The hills are alive with the sound of V12 With songs they have sung for a thousand years The hills fill my heart with the sound of V12 My heart wants to sing every lapit hears
@benjamins9121
@benjamins9121 3 жыл бұрын
Best racecar ever IMO. In performance, aesthetics, sound, everything. Just beyond cool
@giorx5
@giorx5 10 жыл бұрын
What a monstrous sound! Wonderful! TY for uploading.
@FlavioSpirit
@FlavioSpirit 8 ай бұрын
Bom dia !!!!!! Pra mim que sou brasileiro, é impossível ver esse Carro e não se emocionar. Absolutamente fantástico. Só saudades..... Muito obrigado pelo vídeo e parabéns pelo canal. Abraço do Brasil.
@abdoogm7124
@abdoogm7124 8 жыл бұрын
senna was the heart of this machine than the engine itself
@sirajdevil
@sirajdevil 7 жыл бұрын
abdoo gm True. The engine was an extension of his body.
@retrogaming8647
@retrogaming8647 2 жыл бұрын
I could listen to that all day. Beautiful car, beautiful sound.
@davitolucas
@davitolucas 4 жыл бұрын
3:39 that throttle bliping makes me bristle.
@SVPSkins
@SVPSkins 9 жыл бұрын
What a beast
@oscarmorelos4608
@oscarmorelos4608 3 жыл бұрын
Autos con una personalidad gigante, manejados por maestros fuera de serie. Lo hacen UNA LEYENDA.
@StephenLMW
@StephenLMW 3 жыл бұрын
Such a powerful sound it screams beauty
@stonedandboozed
@stonedandboozed 7 жыл бұрын
Just amazing man! Tears to my eyes remembering the great Ayrton Senna. And of course, that sound... LOVE IT!
@danw1955
@danw1955 3 жыл бұрын
Now *THIS* is what F1 was all about!! I love when he really puts his foot in it and it starts breaking traction. That thing jumps like it was hit in the ass with a cattle prod!🤣 God, I LOVE the sound of a V-12!😍
@benjamins9121
@benjamins9121 3 жыл бұрын
It's a V12. You may have just mistyped but there you go
@danw1955
@danw1955 3 жыл бұрын
@@benjamins9121 Oops, actually I did, LOL! *fixed* 😁
@JonathanOliveira-fc7gm
@JonathanOliveira-fc7gm 4 жыл бұрын
Ayrton Senna do Brasil!!!🇧🇷 World Champion🏆🏆🏆 Honda🇯🇵 McLaren🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿
@leonellopalaia3423
@leonellopalaia3423 7 ай бұрын
O ronco de motor mais poderoso de todos os tempos. O som da vitória. O êxito da Honda. A fábrica dos sonhos. Obrigado por tudo isso.
@scottsmith491
@scottsmith491 7 жыл бұрын
This is a pure race car. Everything as it should be. Nothing artificial just pure, raw , racing machine. Thank you HONDA! And the collection hall is fabulous!😸
@sidnei-siqueira
@sidnei-siqueira 3 жыл бұрын
Whenever I hear this type of engine I get the impression that cars from that time were faster than the current ones.
@tickthegsx
@tickthegsx 8 жыл бұрын
Kid at my shop was watching the new f1 on his phone. told him to check out a real f1 car. your videos are awesome.
@josephsemedofernandes4504
@josephsemedofernandes4504 Жыл бұрын
The end of the era of the best F1 car ever
@damonfrost6327
@damonfrost6327 10 жыл бұрын
Engine sounds depends not only on the number of cylinders, the fuel consumption also plays a huge role. The higher the fuel consumption, the louder sound of the engine. Green party every year toughens requirements for emissions of harmful substances. Engineers strive to reduce fuel consumption , the engine sound becomes quieter.
@Bergermans2
@Bergermans2 9 жыл бұрын
+Damon Frost Correct, these cars had 200 liters onboard in race trim for 305 km's. At the end, they where pretty clean for the performance they made in comparison with other type of race cars in that period :)
@fabianoamaral6390
@fabianoamaral6390 4 жыл бұрын
Um carro Inacreditável com um piloto Fantástico...
@EzequielPatriciaMDQ
@EzequielPatriciaMDQ Жыл бұрын
Senna
@F-Man
@F-Man 11 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful car! So glad there are still a couple running examples left!
@TokinLongIsland
@TokinLongIsland 10 жыл бұрын
best video on youtube
@ImmanisYT
@ImmanisYT 2 жыл бұрын
The reverb this engine has is spectacular
@だい-i8g
@だい-i8g Жыл бұрын
この音聞きながらご飯食べれる
@WhosThatPokemon_88
@WhosThatPokemon_88 11 жыл бұрын
Beautiful machinery. Thank you for uploading these videos!
@wmagni
@wmagni 5 жыл бұрын
Que coisa mais linda de se ouvir!! Sounds like an orchestra to me!
@AlexSilva-zu8ep
@AlexSilva-zu8ep Жыл бұрын
McLaren de 1988, 1989, 1990 e 1991 eram fantásticas.
@tiagodiaslucas
@tiagodiaslucas 6 жыл бұрын
02:41 *Apaixonante!*
@thebianchiboy
@thebianchiboy 4 жыл бұрын
The best balanced soundtrack of all time. SALUTE.
@kaeking86
@kaeking86 3 ай бұрын
The shift to second... My ears will forever be in love
@juandiegocastaneda7149
@juandiegocastaneda7149 4 жыл бұрын
El mejor sonido la Honda yo tengo dos súper cub 900 jajaj y me encanta mucho por su sonido y Todo ese torque que me daaa al acelerar y sostener el cambio uffff ,💟
@juanjosefernandez711
@juanjosefernandez711 9 ай бұрын
Inconfundible su sonido y no deja de traer de inmediato a Senna a la mente
@markl4670
@markl4670 10 жыл бұрын
Now that is what an F1 car should sound like. No wheezy turbo's, Kers or batteries, just pure grunt
@danielsalcedo7536
@danielsalcedo7536 Ай бұрын
Hamiñton manejo esta maquina y estaba asustado ..dio pena en la pista se le apago un poco de veces ..eso es vieja escuela todo mecanico y pura clase ...
@RayBras
@RayBras 6 жыл бұрын
What a sound every time i hear this sound i am getting very emotional because it toutches my soul. This sound is F1 and thats whats missing these days. Only hero,s should and could drive this symphoney beasts of F1 cars.
@emprenderenlosnegocios277
@emprenderenlosnegocios277 5 жыл бұрын
The best engine v12 by honda power
@arkz12
@arkz12 11 жыл бұрын
What is this strange thing I'm experiencing? Am I actually HEARING the engine?! Unheard of! All joking aside though, I know we have to keep up with the times but you can't help but feel sad that F1 is never going to sound as nice as this ever again.
@ygorsantos5964
@ygorsantos5964 Жыл бұрын
O ronco parece uma fera
@rgb9795
@rgb9795 7 жыл бұрын
this is the BEST ever music i've heard!!!!!!!!!!!!
@klebercosta8064
@klebercosta8064 3 жыл бұрын
Senna and Honda , the best Forever, Brasil !
@geniodosjogos0096
@geniodosjogos0096 6 жыл бұрын
O ronco do motor desse carro é sensacional
@antonyvogelzang3848
@antonyvogelzang3848 10 жыл бұрын
Everybody, is feeling the same way.... We want those F1 cars back. Not some overcomputerized things like today. Berni it is time to go to the Bahama's with a beer. We need V12's and V10's back, no aid at all, and no turbo's and batteries. Then there is a little chance of F1 getting more popular. It is now ther more people ever are watching F1 (they say) but that's perhaps because more people in the world having television? And get the oldschool circuits back again. Would it be that diffcult to take the regulations from lat's say 1989-1991 and then let them make cars with actual modern materials but just looking and sounding like those days? I think it would be affordable to many many factories again, pure simple cars, speed enough, and lot of sound, that there needs te be pre-qaulifiing again, for filtering out the last off the 34 cars... (silently i dream on...)
@ninoschier9528
@ninoschier9528 9 жыл бұрын
The cars of the early 90s were Computers on wheels. So they forbid it in 1994. As far as I know the rules were quite the same as the rules in the early 00s so the cars would look like the cars of 2004. But I think you are right the cars should be stronger and lighter. They weigh 702kg (wet + driver) . Back then the had 500 kg dry and empty. I think since Carbon Monocoques are used they are save. Nobody died since then. De Angelis died because of Carbonmonoxid, Ratzenberger broke his neck because they hadnt HANS back then, Senna died because of the Parts which went trough his head, Bianchi and Devillota died because of Head injuries so it was never the cars fault that they were injuried. And when the cars are that save cars can have 1100 + hp in my opinion. And I think they could race on the NürburgringNordschleife again because they are much safer than in 1976. I think it's Hard to Put down the costs in F1 because it's HighTech which has to be expansive.
@ninoschier9528
@ninoschier9528 9 жыл бұрын
+Nino Schier And : let them use Turbos. Real Turbos! Like the ones of the 80s
@F13RYPH03N1X
@F13RYPH03N1X 9 жыл бұрын
They were twin turbo V6 1.6l with screamer exhausts...! The sounded awesome. If you go to the guy who owns this channel he has a vid of Senna's all conquering McLaren MP4-4, sounds incredible...!
@F13RYPH03N1X
@F13RYPH03N1X 9 жыл бұрын
The F1 cars they currently use could easily produce 1000hp+, easily. If a turbo from the 80's could produce 1450bhp then a modern day turbo should easily be able to match if not better that...!
@TheMrZomboss
@TheMrZomboss 8 жыл бұрын
+Richard Woods except the fuel restriction thingy prevents the hybrid turbos of today reach that kind of figure
@existentialfehd8382
@existentialfehd8382 Жыл бұрын
Harvick is good too. Great car racer. Certainly nascar and f1 theyre different sports. Great work on this video. Watched f1 years ago.beautiful car and engine.
@henningpieterjordan7416
@henningpieterjordan7416 Жыл бұрын
What a beast 😮😊
@peterhinitt
@peterhinitt 11 жыл бұрын
Stupid spell checker meant Ayrton not Sutton, apologies.
@lazerpod66
@lazerpod66 10 жыл бұрын
Simply awesome, throws you back 20 years....compared to today's trash f1....
@yankeerose753
@yankeerose753 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, what a sound!
@PabloPerez-lk4wj
@PabloPerez-lk4wj 3 жыл бұрын
El coche de fórmula 1 más bello y emblemático de todos los tiempos
@DrDiff952
@DrDiff952 5 жыл бұрын
I got to experience it 3 times at Indianapoli! Nothing sounds better than a nomally aspirated 3.0-3.5 liter V12 or V10!
@alejobuc50
@alejobuc50 2 жыл бұрын
3.5 V8 Judd
@germainmiellot2269
@germainmiellot2269 2 ай бұрын
Quoi de plus beau se son c'est la vie
@ianlambert8034
@ianlambert8034 7 жыл бұрын
My wife worked in the McLaren factory about the time this was the current car; but her tea-trolley didn't sound as good as this!
@oldben1800
@oldben1800 2 жыл бұрын
this is music for me, the MP4/5 is my all time fav but I would consider the entire Senna era mclaren my favorite as a whole, whether they were the best cars or not
@chetfish56x
@chetfish56x 11 жыл бұрын
Pure engine sound
@aviezek3072
@aviezek3072 7 жыл бұрын
goosebumps all over...man...wow...!
@luchof8364
@luchof8364 7 жыл бұрын
that is a nice sound. these days are nothing compare to the old days
@ESHANABROOK
@ESHANABROOK Жыл бұрын
I would watch a rebuilding of this Honda V12!
@GalaxyRobloxYT
@GalaxyRobloxYT 3 жыл бұрын
V12 - 😘 V10 - 😎 V8 - 😁 V6 - 🤮
@claudiominuchi8159
@claudiominuchi8159 4 жыл бұрын
Motor e ronco fantásticos..pena que o som dos motores de hoje não chega nem perto.
@ksicidek2929
@ksicidek2929 9 жыл бұрын
epic sound
@horaciocremona2283
@horaciocremona2283 3 жыл бұрын
Impresionante como suena el bicho este.. Esto era realmente la F 1..!!
@robrath31
@robrath31 3 жыл бұрын
Only deaf people could even have slightest reason to dislike this.... HOW CAN WE NOT LOVE IT?! :) Makes me smile from ear to ear!
@hernan3854
@hernan3854 7 жыл бұрын
That car is calling his owner, Senna!
@andrearojas1248
@andrearojas1248 7 жыл бұрын
Berger... but he drove it meanwhile in Suzuka 2015 again.
@copakapanao
@copakapanao 4 жыл бұрын
It is called 'Honda Music' in Japan
@Deckay_F
@Deckay_F 4 жыл бұрын
Yes , We call ' Honda Music'.
@andreteimore2203
@andreteimore2203 Жыл бұрын
I actually prefer this sound to the crazy high revs of the V10 days
@christianbaraquia8788
@christianbaraquia8788 6 ай бұрын
I'd be the happiest person on earth if i have a chance to drive thing Honda's Masterpiece
@1000BrokenKeys
@1000BrokenKeys Жыл бұрын
1:11 it speaks run run run run run run
@bouba958
@bouba958 3 жыл бұрын
Avec la RA272 c’est celle qui me donne le plus de frissons 😲😲😍
@billwilcox3213
@billwilcox3213 7 жыл бұрын
And the racing world is going the way of the electric motor....what a sad state of affairs...pity to those calling the shots. sounds like these will never be heard again except when the histories are fired up and the hair on the backs of our necks stands up once more. Best to you Honda for keeping the memories alive for those who truly appreciate the sounds of a real racing engine.
@91Wildcat700
@91Wildcat700 5 жыл бұрын
Sounds so much better than the V10 machines of the early 2000s
@ogc2978
@ogc2978 3 жыл бұрын
3:43 its screaming "Im on the top"
@graftoninc
@graftoninc 9 жыл бұрын
Everyone is SMILING!
@Jyllenberg
@Jyllenberg 4 жыл бұрын
The cameramans reaction at 6:15 coins it all..
@pitbullpita8260
@pitbullpita8260 5 жыл бұрын
U carnt beat this sound ever and the look.the best car ever I wish I was in this car
@carlos4986
@carlos4986 8 жыл бұрын
the most beautiful sound ever.............just wet my pants listening to it
@SpyrosTsiamantas
@SpyrosTsiamantas 4 жыл бұрын
A. Senna ❤️❤️❤️ R.I.P. Legend
@kbuss10
@kbuss10 10 жыл бұрын
like a beast locked in a cage! who in his right mind would run this car on a "track" like this???? beautiful sound though
@TheRacingEarPodcast
@TheRacingEarPodcast 8 жыл бұрын
#2 McLaren in 1991 was Gerhard Berger.
@K24_V
@K24_V 6 жыл бұрын
nice channel thank you for sharing those amazing videos 👍🏽
@rainertannnebaum6248
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