Lee Haney | Avoid Keto & Low Carbs | Nutrition Mistakes I Learned from Winning Mr. Olympia

[@thespartanphysique]

I had the honor of meeting Lee Haney at the Arnold's classic this year. One of the nicest guy I've ever met, very humble and a true gentleman. He made my trip to the Arnold's classic worthwhile.

[@alphaomega1351]

He had the honor 🎖 of meeting me. 😶

[@Chris-xh3xf]

Who cares

[@Tner0lf]

​@@Chris-xh3xf especially to say "one of nicest guy I met in the whoooole world" Why do internet ppl have to suck ass like this ...

[@backagain5216]

@@Chris-xh3xf You do or you would not have posed a silly comment. Be something, don’t be yourself!😂

[@DrGargani]

met him many moons ago, also at an Arnold, and he was simply a class act!

[@rj8372]

Healthiest post-Olympia of all time.

[@danieltdavis9788]

He looks normal

[@rj8372]

@@danieltdavis9788 exactly

[@nickarrigo5540]

Best Mr O ever

[@mcmahon4mayor]

Cutler and Yates still look good, poor Ronnie is beat up.

[@ciprianporumb693]

@@mcmahon4mayorthey are younger, especially Cutler

[@wilhelmhesse1348]

Lee Haney still looks very fit and more importantly very healthy

[@libertarianpunk8558]

He does look really healthy you’re right

[@bryceherring946]

He sounds very healthy too! So many pros today are so loaded up and their voice is all elevated and distorted because their hormones are so highly elevated and many times messed up.

[@99Gara99]

You have only seen him from shoulders up

[@nagiamabote4375]

⁠​⁠@@99Gara99 Even though the commentator only saw Lee from shoulders up, could see that he “STILL LOOKS VERY FIT” for a 60+ years old former bodybuilder that retired at age 31.

[@espojespo5]

Well got out at age 30 guys....that's extremely young. I didn't even do my first show until I was 31...so Haney had started training very young.

[@N1120A]

I don't think I've ever heard anyone say Lee is anything but a class act and one of the kindest humans they ever met. I met Lee in 1999 and he was such a lovely gentleman.

[@Owyhead]

"Chicken and green beans, what kinda life is that" 😂😂 straight facts right there!

[@danieltdavis9788]

I would’ve died had he said broccoli 🥦 😂

[@rdallas81]

Broccoli, spinach, eggs, steak, chicken, some potatoes, sweet potatoes.

[@rdallas81]

Thats a 8 time Mr O right there. No coincidence to his diet

[@trentalexander2413]

“Can’t train like horse and eat like a bird.” Wise statement

[@eivindgjengstjohansen9625]

On keto you can eat alot of food protein and fat

[@barrybarnett731]

​@@eivindgjengstjohansen9625 wtf do you know compared to a legend like Lee?

[@eivindgjengstjohansen9625]

@@barrybarnett731 lol arnold lied alot about stuff why shouldn't lee lie? Bodybuilder's diss keto because they want people to believe, that they need a ton of carbs to build muscle Endomorph's cant handle carbs the way they should look it up it's well proven.

[@eivindgjengstjohansen9625]

@@TheBarbellBandit vegetables are a great source of protein and carbs

[@ricksgiggle8852]

@@barrybarnett731 bro, he pretty much said keto is crazy but might be necessary if YOURE FAT! Another thing is science has proven Carbs are not essential. So unless you're a bodybuilder or need to store glycogen etc like an athlete, carbs aren't really needed. Just cuz Lee is who he is doesn't mean a KZbin commentor can't know more than him or have an opinion.

[@ilongosavage3534]

No disrespect to Arnold, Dorian or Ronnie, but, IMHO, Lee Haney is the GOAT of bodybuilding. I was honored to have met him in person.

[@AZANlA]

fr, great head on his shoulders. true wisdom!

[@nickarrigo5540]

truth

[@abekirschenbaum6300]

100% brother. Best physique of all time!

[@dennisrobinson8008]

Zero carb and low carb is certainly for those with too much bodyfat.

[@markleytaxidermy4980]

Yes and those of us who have become insulin resistent. There is no single right answer, age, sex, genetics, lifestyle and many other things determine the "correct" carb load. Anyone who tries to convince you of the "best" carb dose, without learning all of your variables ........well.... should be avoided.

[@dennisrobinson8008]

@@markleytaxidermy4980 Of course.

[@DivineLogos]

The more muscle you have the more carbs you can handle while retaining insulin sensitivity. Exercise also improves insulin sensitivity. Its like the body is made in such a way you have to earn carbs through working out. If you are low in muscle, high in fat and don't work out than carbs are quick to make you insensitive to insulin. You hear lots of normal people get diabetes but its usually never an active bodybuilder, even though the latter often eats more volume of food and more frequently.

[@matthewh6474]

Yeah low carb diets are for sedentary people. I train 15 hours a week I need carbs or I would collapse in the gym or while running

[@rodney5269]

The problem is not carbs but the type of carbs you eat. If don't think that is true, I suggest you train on a french fries diet. See what happens.

[@onewhitepony]

​@rodney5269 exactly. Carbs get demonized but it's the type. Big difference between bagels or French fries to say sweet potatoes and rice. Even with me I notice I lose weight more consistently when I just consume sweet potatoes and gluten free oat bran

[@Broncos4life]

Lee is a living legend, extremely well spoken and a great man. Respect and admiration!!! Great interview. ❤

[@MyMEDFITNESS]

Lee’s clearly one of the best ever on “every” level 👊! Long live Lee!! He’s a model for all young bodybuilders.

[@michaelclifford6468]

I wish an interviewer would ask him about steroids. What age did you start? What did your cycles look like? Dorian has talked about it. Ronnie, Jay, even Arnold. But lee Haney stays silent. The argument that young people will copy him is ruined by the others disclosing it. Also, what were you taking when you were the first ever drug free mr Olympia? I won't hold my breath. Do he make these demands before agreeing to do an interview????

[@yoshit9819]

I saw Lee Haney back stage in 1983. He was guest posing at a contest that I was competing in as a teen. Photos and videos don't tell the story of how impressive this man was.

[@wildmanz8233]

Me too,I saw him at the 84 Olympia in NYC. He walked out and pretty much everyone was like WINNER!

[@dkvikingkd233]

maybe if you want to be a bodybuilder but if you want to stay healthy low carb will be the best for 80% of the population, especially as you get older and more insulin resistant!

[@CoachDarren]

Wow! I was just thinking the same thing the information in this video may be great for a body building career but not for overall health especially not for aging healthy.

[@joesix4726]

I saw Lee Haney and Mike Christian as guests at a California bodybuilding championship. This was maybe late 1980's IIRC. They were in the hallways signing posters and taking pictures with fans. You don't know how massive these guys are until you are standing next to them. Approachable, friendly, and personable are a few words that come to mind.

[@stevewardlaw]

I've heard Arnold say almost the same thing. It's fascinating that (at least) two of the greatest champions in the history of the sport both advocate staying within about 5% of competition weight. That means it has to be an incredible commitment and grind 24/7/365 to compete with the likes of them.

[@rockaboatus588]

Lee Haney's advice may work among those who are serious body builders - although a strict Carnivore diet has worked well for some body builders - but for the average person who is overweight, carb-addicted, and insulin resistant, it's not particularly wise advice in my opinion. Keto is not "crazy" as he says, and a diet heavy in meat and saturated animal fat has healed many people from chronic inflammation, has been good for weight loss, and in restoring a healthy gut flora. Keto and Carnivore diets (especially a Carnivore diet!) have been quite successful in improving autoimmune issues, and in some cases even entirely eliminating such health concerns. Many people have also reduced their anxiety, gotten off their meds, and essentially brought their bodies in balance as a result of a diet that is animal-based. Haney appears to also adhere to the modern-day 'cholesterol' myth which says that high cholesterol levels are markers for bad health. Well, not necessarily so (see Dr. Malcolm Kendrick in his book, 'The Great Cholesterol Myth' who completely debunks this common misconception). There is some nuance that needs to be understood, so it's not as simple and clear-cut as even some physicians think. There's even a growing body of evidence that LDL is not, by itself, necessarily a bad thing. Again, in fairness, Haney's opinions are related to body builders, especially professional body builders. Perhaps he does not feel the same when it comes to the average American who eats what most Americans consume - namely, lots of processed carbs, sugary drinks, lots of seed oils, alcohol, cereal, breads, pasta, etc.?

[@raycab1]

amen brother

[@skepticalbutopen4620]

Low or no carbs is unnatural for the human body and while you will lose weight (which is the cause of most of our health issues) it’s detrimental to long term health and longevity.

[@rockaboatus588]

@@skepticalbutopen4620 No, it's not unnatural at all. You can survive quite well with no carbs. It's more than losing weight, you will also thrive on no carbs.

[@skepticalbutopen4620]

@@rockaboatus588 thrive is a stretch. Survive, absolutely. Our physiology is designed to consume and leverage the benefits of carbohydrates. Carbs are in no way bad or harmful. On the contrary, they’re beneficial for ideal health.

[@rockaboatus588]

@@skepticalbutopen4620 No, not in the least. People thrive on a keto and carnivore diet and not just survive. By means of eliminating carbs they have also eliminated most if not all of their health issues. It's funny too how when our government began to promote a high carb diet in the 1970s, so also did rates of obesity increase to skyrocketing levels. Yes, some people can tolerate carbs better than others, but that's not the same as saying that carbs are necessary or any other such nonsense.

[@coreyworthingtonii9230]

Wonderful to have the internet and be able to listen to legends like Lee Haney speaking about bodybuilding dieting in this sort of low key conversation.

[@stevenstevens6904]

100% wish I had this info when I was 13yrs old 18 etc 🤦‍♂️

[@franshartman4378]

Keto is perfect for losing fat, but horrible for gaining muscle unless you are a beginner looking for newbie gains.

[@sebk174]

If you are fat adapted what usually takes up a few month on Keto or Carnivore you will greatly build muscle. Most people just have no idea cause they never tried it. The amount of cholesterol you eat will greatly effect your hormone. Bodybuilders make a big mistake to avoid saturated fat. Asides from that, longterm you will have lower inflammation in your body what leads to less injuries and better overall health. You can look at Vince Girondas diet principles.

[@zerrodefex]

Yeah couldn't help but notice how many keto pushers are skinny but look like they can't lift a thing. I had to up my intake to start getting results in my strength training.

[@skepticalbutopen4620]

Totally agree

[@fender1000100]

Never cut carbs out Mr Haney is right. Muscle needs carbs.

[@shelfcloud487]

These mass monsters today don’t compare to guys like Lee Haney. IMO

[@joebartles3986]

Difficult to take nutrition advice from someone who was on steroids. The body will react differently.

[@edwardwynderii8563]

It’s been documented that Lee never took steroids.

[@ktcarl]

This info is for competitive bodybuilding. I have Type 2 diabetes and eating low carb (20-40gms per day) was/is the only way I can keep my glucose readings below 100. The carbs I mostly stayed away from were grains and starches. Lee Haney was a great champion.

[@zzz-jj6zh]

His argument was for people that were never fat to begin with. He was a carb monster because he never got fat. He mentioned that "if you're a fatty boy, you need to go low carb."

[@MassMonster780]

You know what else will reduce your glucose reading and increase insulin sensitivity the most? Losing body fat. This can be done easiest on a moderate/high carb, high protein low fat diet.

[@hauntyoo]

Do you have medication for it? Do you take insulin? Here's a interesting anecdote from a type 1 diabetes patient, regarding the insulin sensitivity. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g4TZlZevf551eM0

[@ElectronicJunky12]

​​@@MassMonster780nybody that thinks you can lose body fat easier on a moderate/high carb diet versus a carb restricted diet doesn't have a clue with what's actually going on.

[@Olafsstolzz-lh4jn]

Low fat is best to Lose fat

[@troybishop3204]

I used to see Lee Haney training his clients at the world gym in Fayetteville Georgia and I would always speak with him for a few minutes and he always had a smile on his face and a positive word for me . He told me I had nice wheels so that felt great coming from him .

[@EricZimmerDanceFitness]

Lee Haney. A gentleman and a scholar. Thanks for the interview and thanks for keeping bodybuilding, nutrition and fitness on the same page.

[@chrishayes5755]

bodybuilding isn't really in line with proper nutrition. the goal of nutrition is health. the goal of pro bodybuilders is muscle size at the expense of all else. guys are eating a fucking leaf of spinach a day cuz all they care about is macros, not micro-nutrients, phytochemicals, important enzymes, bacterial culture etc.

[@rayr.1813]

I am not a practitioner of keto personally I do however feel I tend to build muscle better and recover faster when I bump up the fat and reduce the carbs personally. I think we are all different, so blanket statements can never be applied to all.

[@ricksgiggle8852]

Yup. Bump up the fat and protein and you'll be ok. It's about eating the right foods. Carbs aren't essential but they still have their place. Me personally I feel better without Carbs and it might just be the trt but I've been doing good on keto and building some muscle

[@cliffhill3437]

Clinically we know this to be true. There are different types of metabolism. Blanket statements are not intelligent or useful. Each person has to find what works for them. Even then,one’s metabolism can alter.

[@theweirdgamer7506]

​@@ricksgiggle8852 obviously trt

[@comicguy9611]

Agree 100% genetics works different from person to person. I'm a ectmotph, so zero carbs for me is a no no.

[@doddsalfa]

Low carb is silly diet not to mention in bodybuilding

[@bjornexperience6301]

Lee is a true champion, what he says make perfectly sense and My personal experience last 34 years ( I am 52) lifting weight confirm what he says. You have to feed the body to Burn fat, simple but hard

[@sammuslu2992]

I'm 50 and lifting for 32 years I totally agree 👍🏼💯

[@ike3263]

This guy lives a healthy life because he didn't suffer like other bodybuilders. He did things smart and healthy.

[@fender1000100]

He had the BEST training ideology. STIMULATE DONT ANIHILATE. Ronnie Coleman should have listened. Now look at the mess he is in.

[@michaelclifford6468]

I wonder what his cycles looked like??

[@ngatiwarrior6975]

@@fender1000100 Coleman has no regret and doesn't feel sorry for himself and you shouldn't either, he achieved his goal of being the greatest bodybuilder of all time and said he would do it all again.

[@goatlps]

Or, just got lucky. They're all Guinea pigs to the drugs and doses and workout routines.

[@garyjohnson3751]

Nice try Haney butt your completely & utterly wrong

[@kevinnaidu8789]

I think if you could spell correctly people may consider your comment!

[@detonesman]

Please people please don't go out and eat 400 g of carbs remember This guy is 10% body fat on gear is metabolism works different If you're natural you have to do something different for you his advice is excellent for him and people on his level

[@ddeteck1134]

I was wondering if this can be applied to everyone. I'm 80kg 38 yo and I was 85kg 2 months ago. Lower my carbs to 160g P 170g and f85g 2100kcal . Actually is this good ratio? I'm Black with almost not body fat, fast metabolism

[@ricksgiggle8852]

@@ddeteck1134 no its not. Too many carbs cause insulin resistance over time which can lead to diabetes.

[@KariSiltavuo]

I eat 530g even on my rest days

[@esterix101]

​@@KariSiltavuo sugar is poison. Good luckk

[@esterix101]

​@@ddeteck1134 it's amazing ratio.

[@skepticalbutopen4620]

I’m a carb monster and have single digit body fat. If you’re doing moderate to intense exercise (like we all should be doing as humans) carbs are not only helpful, their necessary to reaching high levels of performance and overall health.

[@m.b.593]

A friend of mine was in Venice Beach and saw Lee incline press 400lbs. Insane. 🙏🏻

[@jackpoulin6443]

Saw him guest pose at the 1988 Nationals in Atlanta ... OMFG ... it was 4 weeks or so after winning the Olympia if I guess correctly. He dwarfed every other bodybuilders on stage that day, and trust me, there was monsters there. Lee was just in a class by himself. Class act all the way.

[@panagenesis2695]

If you're eating quality protein, carbohydrates (e.g. high-fiber fruits & vegetables) and mono-unsaturated fats, you don't need keto.

[@user-di1hh4qy6r]

Met Lee in 1986 golds gym NB Ma. Hasnt changedbone bit. 8 straight Mr O

[@kirbyaugustine761]

Never spoken about enough as one of the all-time greats in bodybuilding.

[@fender1000100]

Yes he is over shadowed by the mass monster than came after him sadly. DORIAN YATES RONNIE COLEMAN JAY CUTLER PHIL HEATH.

[@hikedayley9309]

Words of Wisdom for one of the best Bodybuilders of all time.

[@mr.potatohead6138]

He speaks on behalf of bodybuilders, they're not really a natral human. Insulin resistance is a terrible thing...

[@xo.ellie.vibezzz8180]

I agree with Lee. I never do lower than 100 carbs….ever!!

[@dennisrobinson8008]

@Phill cause its the number that works on him. Lee Haney actually said 50.

[@zerrodefex]

​​@@J.o.e_K yep when I attempted I lost strength more than anything. Had stop and add a lot of carbs back in to regain that lost muscle.

[@Lijah2good4u]

Lee Haney the greatest Olympia champ of all time.learned a lot from him dealing with nutrition and training.” You can stimulate, or annihilate your body”-Lee Haney

[@Wikingking]

It's "stimulate, not annihilate" - he considered an approach vastly different from Dorian and Ronnie.

[@Lijah2good4u]

@@Wikingking yes it’s the choice you have when you train you can stimulate your muscles and return the next day or you can annihilate your muscles and be out for weeks or even months

[@FOR8YESHUA]

Escape Fitness + Lee Haney if my favorite Body Builder!! Bring back the Haney Gloves. I had a set and miss them to this day!!! What a bummer no more Haney Gloves.

[@humanafterall2076]

Steroids Steroids Steroids Otherwise you’re full of it

[@shotgunsnare]

If your overweight have autoimmune issues, diabetes , going low carb and no sugar will save your life I don't care what lee Haney says weight training is very important for your health also intermittent fasting works! Also take b complex ,resveritrol and metformin and your life and health will drastically change for the better

[@VigilanteWilliamson]

To be fair he's talking about competition bodybuilders not normal people.

[@normalcc]

“ You do need to add some science” = 💉 😂😂😂

[@bryallen11]

I love lee!!!!

[@daveh6151]

The man knows what he's talking about, could listen to him all day 🤙

[@frankhanson9260]

What a Class Act.... such a stand up Guy....... I love hearing him talk about the intricacies of BodyBuilding.... and how important Nutrition is. 😃

[@unattractive_old_man]

the guy has been on steroids for several years and is most likely forced to take hormonal drugs now. And it's very cute to call it adding a little science. And tells how carbohydrates explode muscles. This is a terrible interview. It misleads people. half the truth is always a whole lie.

[@CaseyKCRichards]

So Lee when you dieted for a competition what did you actually. You lowered your cabs and fats and increased your protein. I think you information is out dated. Scientists support that low carbs to lower carbs and eating higher protein fat is key to lowering body fat and prevent diseases by preventing insulin resistance. Fat is a better source of fuel than carb😅s. Besides, the drugs you were taking which increased your metabolism as long with your hard training and increased faster metabolism all play a part. So i need to stop now as you are not mentioning all this particularly the drugs you were taking. Eating a animal fats does not raise your cholestrol…. Listen to Dr Lustig here on KZbin. Lee your information is old. C-Bum carbs loads on steak and rice in particular.

[@perlundberg2073]

What a brilliant human and bodybuilder 🙏🙏🏋🏼‍♂️🏋🏼‍♂️

[@alphaomega1351]

Thanks, but I'm not a professional bodybuilder. 😶

[@Michael-cb5nm]

Look at this man. Alive, healthy…he bossed this crazy sport and lived to tell about it!

[@khaledzarad3841]

Nah, he's just afraid of eating fat, on keto you'll be eating the same amount of calories, whilst eating fat and burning fat instead of carbs, so you have the same level of energy you need with all the benefits of being fat-adapted, plus sh*t loads more of testosterone since you have more fat which makes up testosterone and sex steroid hormones.. guess what carbs don't make that, so you have to make up for it somehow💉🪣

[@smarterworkout]

Love Haney but he actually doesn't know about nutrition. He knows about his own nutrition. But he doesn't understand cholesterol or the dangers of seed oils and almonds.

[@Underhills]

Remember watching Battle for Olympia on VHS, there's a scene where Lee calls Mike Christian "wishy washy" and Mike replies "I was great in 88 - it's gonna be mine in 89"😂

[@JB-hq9yj]

Let me go ahead and get nutrition advice from a guy that spent years on gear in a profession (bodybuilding) where men are literally dropping dead left and right in their 40s and 50s. I’m all set with that.

[@loganross1861]

Lee didn’t use gear

[@kobe_won_shinobi]

You still gotta work out and eat right to achieve a certain physique gear or no gear. Obese men are still dying in their 40s and 50s.. no gear needed.

[@JB-hq9yj]

@@loganross1861 Right.

[@JB-hq9yj]

@@kobe_won_shinobi No shit. I'm not beyond getting advice about health, nutrition, and training. Just not going to get it from dudes who are 100% not in it to live healthy whatsoever.

[@kobe_won_shinobi]

@JB-hq9yj by the looks of it, Lee Haney seems healthy to me. Healthier than majority of people at 64. The real question is, Wtf you click on the video in the first place? Just so you could give your stance against bodybuilders giving nutrition advice...

[@goatlps]

Just as long as you realise this advice only applies to professional roidheads. ...Lance Armstrong's back on the chemo', I see.

[@innercircle341]

Walofs. I have lost 136lb on a zero carb diet, completely stopped craving and am metabolically healthy. Who the eff is this guy to give medical advice?

[@dsizzle49]

That guy mentioned low carb and Lee immediately started roasting me.

[@fbomb7184]

Nuts are full of oxalates and phytic acid which blocks absorption of many minerals. You’re way better off eating a grass fed steak or even uncured bacon to supplement protein and fat. Also dietary fat intake has a very mild influence on your cholesterol which is overly treated in the US because of out dated science and big pharma greed.

[@Constantinos_Is_Dead]

Keto is mostly suitable for obese people who want to lose fat fast and are sendentary. My father is trying keto when he decides to go on a diet all these years and I see he suffers. Also, I'm about to throw up sometimes watching him putting so much olive oil on his cheese or fried eggs. Yes, he lost weight some years ago, but he gained it back and now he lost it again. Keto is the epitome of yo-yo dieting and frankly, it is not sustainable long term unless you live alone in the mountains. I tried it as well and I felt miserable and also overweight. The last 2 years I include carbs in my diet (yes, even the oh so villainous sugar) but I track my calories meticulously I lost such a serious amount of fat, that now I'm probably a little lower than 10% body fat (thanks also to endless hours of cardio), stronger than ever (thanks to strength training) and more satisfied than ever, thanks to bread, rice, pies, fruit and occasional treats(I usually eat a crepe with chocolate and biscuits once a week and burgers and ice cream on special occasions).

[@AZ-su2vc]

Classiest Champion of all time. 🏆

[@PureTruth]

Why make it comparative? He is classy, but classiest??? WTF

[@MachineGunPepe]

​@@PureTruth Chill out

[@PureTruth]

@@MachineGunPepe 😂😂😂 who’s ‘not chilled’? 🙃

[@rudolph3058]

I'm a carb monster too, always was around 5-10% bodyfat. 45 now and 12% at 185lbs.

[@NoeticInsight]

Different genetics. I can’t have carbs at all no matter how active I am. I get fat, easily. Low carb/zero carb is the only answer for me as well as intermittent fasting.

[@EEEBA1]

​@Automatic Steel Correct! However for some of us carbs are like a drug and we can't stop eating them no matter what.

[@Divinia93]

@@EEEBA1 exactly, carbs are addicting, I had a sweet potato one day and that triggered my addition. The following week I was eating crackers, chips, and I ate an entire load of break in about three days. I went back to basically carnivore and the desire for carbs disappeared and I was on track to losing body fat again.

[@ironhed515]

​@Automatic Steel... until your body's hormones adjust your metabolism slower and slower and suddenly you're no longer in a calorie defecit. And there's no guarantee that the weight lost will be mostly body fat either. there's always a guy like you in the comments that just parrots this shit they hear thinking they're a genius...

[@raycab1]

@Automatic Steel Keep believing that 1970's crap they taught you.

[@eivindgjengstjohansen9625]

As much as i respect lee i think that keto and low carb works IF you are comitted, to stick to it endomorph's and carb's are a bad mix, it's proven that endomorph's cant handle carb's, due to insulin resistance and who care's, if you struggle to gain muscle mass some is better than nothing.

[@rdallas81]

Work, eat, sleep, repeat.

[@alexfafoutakis]

Love Lee Haney, what a champ!

[@chrishood2883]

Low carbs works brilliantly for me, keeps muscle on and allows me to train sufficiently to cut fat and maintain strength. Keeping them in but lowering calories gives disastrous results for me. Lee Human bodies don't all work the same, and not everybody trains like Lee Haney. "Avoid Keto and low carbs" is a really bad tagline to extract from this, Escape Fitness.

[@Shinobi3354]

He said he did 50g a day at his lowest. That's pretty low

[@loadsamoney-u3x]

Lee Haney is just like a professor of nutrition ,when he said no lower than 50-100 grams of carbs he was spot on because that's the Glycogen amount stored in the liver.

[@danielcarlsen8975]

Started lifting at 19. When I turned 25 I began Keto after gainig at least 20lbs of lean* muscle mass (I was 7% bf). Lost maybe 5-8lbs over 6 months. Man I was lean like a mf...!! Around 5-6% . However; I began losing Hemoglobulin (Red-blood cells) and lost a lot of veins and fullness. But man I was high like a manic and never felt better mentally and physically. It took at least 6 months for my blood-volume to get back at baseline. And I gained a lot of brown fat (because of the cold baths every morning in the winter in Norway.) Would I do it again thjat way? No. Do I regret it? Absolutely not. Keto is not for muscle. But it certainly helps in every other area if you are predisposed. Now, I cycle the diet and do Hybrid-forms of it. Would recommend everyone to try at least 6 weeks as it really promotes cell health

[@reinotsurugi]

Meat and cheese are garbage? Sorry, but Haney needs to get up to date on cholesterol.

[@elhombresfbay]

Avoid keto and low carb If you are using steroids.

[@Devlin360i]

Old-School bodybuilders were ingenious physique architects. They had a profound knowledge of the principles of proper nutrition, smart supplementation, exercise science and muscle adaptability. If you combine Old-School bodybuilding wisdom with modern, evidence-based science, it's the best, safest, most effective way in achieving a strong, sexy, healthy and aesthetic physique. Vintage Physique by George Kelly is a nice read on the topic.

[@cnwil4594]

But today most are looking for quick results with TREN and other ridiculous shortcuts.

[@Lowell1970]

Never take advice on nutrition from a steroid user. NEVER !

[@bryallen11]

Great interview!!!

[@EscapeFitness]

Thank you!

[@ygbodybuilder3023]

Lee alwasy ducking interviews about his drug use

[@mattvdh]

He's right about low carb but wrong about the type of fats to use during a cut...PUFA's are garbage. Saturated fats are easier to absorb/process. Also the science on cholesterol has changed, it doesn't really matter as much as people once thought.

[@TheMillionDollarDropout]

This.

[@karlheinz5095]

Does the advice working for natural guys. I don't think so.

[@dennisrobinson8008]

It does.

[@nathanielgates2863]

No

[@dennisrobinson8008]

The basic macros DO work for natural guys. On the carbs he's one of those that can get away with a ton more, for most weekend warrior or fitness guys keeping the carbs appropriately managed and balanced with fitness activity is the main key to maintaining whatever body fat level you are trying to maintain. Carbs are fuels. PIck the right fuels wisely, some of them are terrible and are toxic, and others are right on the money.

[@BradKittelTTH]

He did it too. He combined the best of and survived it well, unlike most. Frank Zane looks terrible now, my hero on the stage when I was a kid.

[@deanpaulson6714]

It's not really a fair comparison Zanes in he's 80s LOT deterioration happens mid 60s /70s to 80 . Zanes working out at an age most are dead.🤣

[@trevorclarey3336]

Diet ? there is one thing they aint talking about.

[@cecilroberts1971]

An 8 time Mr Olympia beats bro scientists!

[@tonicamaro8683]

a TRUE CHAMPION and very intelligent man...

[@zaidmeazer3617]

frank zane was a low carb bodybuilder. he said prep for a competition his carb intake was 50g. and off-season carbs wree 150g. and he adds its not a diet its just the when he eats. kzbin.info/www/bejne/iaPNe5uQis6Ga5I

[@dabsmoothbeats1174]

That’s why he didn’t get huge like Arnold and Haney.

[@andrewtanczyk4009]

I remember doing keto. For my conditioning I would do run up and down stairs to increase strength in my legs and endurance for my lungs. I used to do enough line up and down 40 times. Once I started keto I felt pain and burning in my legs and I could only do no more than half. Had absolutely no energy in my muscles to draw from. Keto with no carbs is worthless!

[@Cenot4ph]

It takes 1 to 3 months for fat adaptation. Concluding from the first week is rather pointless

[@ian7033-qj9wg]

@@Cenot4ph yes.

[@andrewvincent7299]

That's because you weren't getting enough electrolytes to keep your body and muscles hydrated. Once you start cutting the carbs, you lose the water that is retained with the stored carbs in your muscles, so you lose electrolytes hence the cramping. Once you add those back in, things would go a lot smoother.

[@andrewtanczyk4009]

@@andrewvincent7299 thanks . Since I’m trying to cut some extra body fat I will keep that in mind then. I can understand lowering your carb intake. However cutting it out altogether seems pointless.

[@zerrodefex]

Had to put all that water back in anyway loading up on creatine to strength train.

[@dlindo8892]

Very intelligent. No wonder he won so many Olympias.

[@hugster2000]

So kind of Lance Armstrong to interview Lee

[@victorprice7954]

I do the keto diet mainly because I've always had a problem with grains.

[@BB-gj8ck]

Love lee, but the problem with this is he’s giving advice to bodybuilders. Over weight normal people can do quite well on low carbs.

[@pauldavies7251]

It's overall calories not "carbs"

[@20FreeWill]

@@pauldavies7251 carbs are the least nutritionally dense food group , they also absorb water and spike insulin

[@perlundberg2073]

Use them smart and carbs are your friend and perfect tool to build muscles 🙏🏋🏼‍♂️🏋🏼‍♂️

[@pauldavies7251]

@@20FreeWill just stop talking please 🙄 Insulin is an anabolic hormone & people need to stop chatting such utter crap

[@pauldavies7251]

@@perlundberg2073 at last someone who understands 👌

[@antoniobertone7589]

99.9 percent of people don't train like him. Why would they take this advice.

[@steveng4140]

What a genuine and wise man he is. Thanks for posting this video

[@Night_Crew_Artist]

Great advice for 80's bodybuilders on roids

[@antoniomccoy9451]

So basically he was carb cycling

[@Baby-Dont-Hurt-Me-007]

No

[@sheldoncooper8199]

Even Jay Cutler Who was a Mass Monster never went Below 80 g of Carbs a day at over 240 Ibs

[@MaddMaxOfficial]

Is that lance armstrong?

[@maurogomez1585]

THE G.O.A.T..

[@PALMONDAY]

Zero carbs with loads of butter took me to men’s physique Mr. Universe title 💪🏼 Lee, you’re ignorant. Being blessed with optimum nutrient partitioning doesn’t make the rest of us so.

[@lifegivesuslemons421]

Class act

[@tlilmiztli]

Lee Haney! I Was but a kid when he was all over the covers of body building magazines. I had no internet at the time, its the first time in my 40s that I see him life :) So cool!

[@drakesmith7795]

Crazy how bodybuilders from the 80's on, say they loved Joe Weider. But back in the 60's and 70's, he did Robby Robinson and Sergio Oliva dirty.

[@Cenot4ph]

I'll stick with keto, theres a lot of opinions out there

[@robertwhitcomb6105]

Lee Haney was the professor of bodybuilding as Neil Peart was the professor of rock drumming.

[@dalmansm]

Happy to notice that I followed the true heroes. Lee still a inspiration for me. Great mind!! #Brazil

[@njfuentesrespecter81]

Respectfully, unless you have several hours a day carved out for proper cardio and weight training, managing lower carbs is how normal people can avoid unnecessary fat. I think everyone should strive to be around 10%. That’s awfully difficult if you are eating piles of rice and starches

[@lowcarbbully]

I like Lee Haney, but he’s wrong about low carb and no carb diets. Steak is the most nutritious source of protein that we have. Saturated fat has been proven to be demonized wrongly. Saturated fat is necessary and cholesterol is necessary. Recent research has shown that there is no relationship between red meat and cancer and that cholesterol is definitely necessary for hormone maintenance and especially as you age. A Japanese study showed that the people who had the highest cholesterol after the age of 50 years old are the people that lived the longest. I was a low level bodybuilder for 2 1/2 years in my early 20s, obviously not nearly at the level of Lee Haney. But I prescribed to the same philosophy regarding carbohydrates. Many bodybuilders used carb depletion and carb loading in order to increase vascularity and cause the water to get forced into the muscles. It works. But the reason it works is because it is a short-term manipulation of the body’s metabolism where it shocks it by eliminating its primary energy source of carbohydrates. The human body is always looking for equilibrium. So you can do hacks that help you to draw water out and force water into the muscles. People do this with sodium loading as well. But over time your body will figure out a way around the hack. With carb depletion, over time your body would be starving for energy so eventually it begins producing ketones, in order for the ketones to use fat for an energy source. Once this occurs, your body becomes a fat burner. For those who say, “are you saying that you know more than Lee Haney?” I’m saying regarding low carb diets absolutely. I have not only studied them for the last six years, I have been on a carnivore diet for five of the six years that I have been low carb. The last year and a half I only eat red meat and water. I work out 3 to 4 times a week and I am 60 years old. A high carb bodybuilder diet helped contribute to a bunch of my metabolic issues. And that was without steroid use. I had 40 years worth of migraines and a host of other issues. I had some insulin resistance and heart and blood pressure issues. Carnivore lifestyle has rid me of migraines, and my heart and blood pressure issues. Not just that, but unlikely Haney, I am eating like a horse and getting stronger at 60 years old. I eat roughly 4000 cal a day and my red meat macros come out to about 300 g of protein daily and about 300 g of fat daily. (68% fat,32%protein,0% carbs) The problem for most people is that there is an adaptation period. And for people who are carb heavy eaters, that adaptation can take months. The facts regarding glycogen stores is that, after fully adapted, you replenish glycogen the same as a carbohydrate consumer. But you have to have been fat adapted for quite a while. The human body is an amazing God given biological machine. But years, eating high carbohydrate and working out hard takes its toll on your insulin system. Constant insulin spikes wears that system out. when you use fat as an energy source, you are resting the insulin system and relying on your gut and hydrochloric acid and the intestines in order to get absorption of your nutrients. It’s a much more effective process for the body, especially if your insulin system has been taxed over the years. In addition, most of the steroid guys have to be on TRT for the rest of their life as a carb burner, in order to maintain that insulin sensitivity for muscle growth, and in order to have the testosterone needed for their workouts. When you are consuming fat, the fat is creating cholesterol and is feeding your testosterone. It’s a natural steroid. Anyway, I’m sure I’ll get some hate on this. But I am living proof. This is an N equals one experiment that has extended my life and has given me a future life with no migraines and no blood pressure issues. Lee Haney wouldn’t know this because he never committed to it. That’s understandable. But it doesn’t mean he’s right. Also his recommendation to use nut and seed oils over saturated fat is bad advice. Unfortunately the mainstream media and the pharmaceutical industry is not publicizing the science and facts that are behind the demonization of saturated fat and cholesterol although The New York Times did an article in 2017 and Joe Rogan recently interviewed a doctor from England who debunked the saturated fat lie. Dr Aseem Malhotra.

[@MundiaKamau]

Thanks Escape Fitness, enjoyed this🙂Science, enlightening science, was heavy in the discussion🙂Beats me why Lee Haney is also not a nominee or recipient of a Nobel Prize in Science🙂Wow! Regards, Michael M. Kamau, Nairobi, Kenya, East Africa, 23rd June 2024.

[@tonicamaro8683]

don't get confused people these are PRO BODY BUILDERS ,hi CARB for normal people just working out to look good will FATTEN you up in NO TIME...