TF2's Problematic Learning Curve

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[@jjurss7263]

"gets updated every week and has an active development team" *Cries in 2019*

[@scottmad8563]

Yea, the development team went down the learning curve backwards

[@s942]

*cries in 2020*

[@jonarr911]

the development team was never active, we always only got like 1 or 2 updates every year

[@iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii6288]

*SOBS IN 2020*

[@Max35600]

*still cries in 2020*

[@FUNKe]

did you actually watch it or did you just scroll down to comment early? For shame.

[@gaycob5038]

FUNKe yes I did

[@notreal4926]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@gavyngiese1263]

yes, im sorry daddy

[@TheeOK1]

FUNKe why not both?

[@Xipheria]

I watched the video... until 7:42. I paused in the grandpa.. :l Still, you forgot fps.

[@kostathomas8732]

TF2 doesn't have a learning curve, it has a learning cliff

[@anotherwiseunpleasantperso2147]

more like a learning edge of the universe

[@yourecompletelyrightbut4677]

WHAT ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT? IS THIS A MEME? PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS A GODDAMN MEME. It's overwatch players right? Right? Please tell me you guys are just fucking casuals

[@Haispawner]

Kosta Thomas No, it's a huge canyon, and you're at the bottom.

[@sabersahoge2695]

learning wall of death

[@VentA_7]

You're completely right but, I mean he could be meaning you got to climb up a cliff to get good, but idk for sure

[@stuckonaslide]

it's like "i suck" for like 300hrs and then one day "oh shit this is kinda easy ngl"

[@iambeepbop2452]

im at 1400 hours and i still suck

[@ME0WMERE]

@@iambeepbop2452 how do you use mouse acceleration? edit: lmao I made this comment before I had basically any experience in tf2. I was genuinely serious.

[@waaave564]

2000 hours here, no mouse acceleration, got a normal mouse speed, computer isn't wack, ping is (usually) fine at somewhere around 40 - 80 usually. still get dominated by gibus snipers occassionally, and am remotely useless around competent or higher skill players.

[@dr.cranium9080]

@@waaave564 sens?

[@globaljuke3496]

@@waaave564 even when we suck its still fun, when will i get bored of this game

[@Redacted_Ruler]

“Has a active dev team” *7 years later* ...

[@cubirk]

Ded

[@whydoiexist2180]

Pain

[@ΝΙΚΟΣΘΕΟΔΩΡΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ-ρ1γ]

I am located in the country which is named Spain but the S has been removed.

[@CanCur]

If I'm correct, the majority of the development team switched on other projects like the half life vr, which is now HL alyx since around 2017, the fact that valve went too ambitious on game concepts but not focusing on the game engine(source 2), and other stuff that made valve completely silent on these years according to Tyler Mcvicker a d The Final Hours of Half-life Alyx.

[@clashoclan3371]

The Saxxys which gave numerous sfm animators motivation to animate. .....

[@FUNKe]

- I do talk about the tutorials available ingame. Watch before you comment. - The F6 is a suggestion, not an existing feature. - Difficult Learning Curves do NOT mean it's impossible to learn the basics of the game. It means the game is difficult to IMPROVE at. Don't misconstrue the idea that i'm saying the game is impossible to learn the basics of. - I'm not praising overwatch, i'm comparing what I think it does better and what it does worse. - I never said it's impossible to learn the game. I said it's unnecessarily difficult for the majority of unfamiliar players. - I'm not saying TF2's learning curve is one of the hardest in gaming, I'm saying it's harder than it should be for its genre. - It's not a dead game, it's a stagnant game with wasted potential. - Once again, i've played the game casually for 5 years, competitively for three and made videos for two. These are the opinions i've gathered over that timeframe. If you disagree, leave something constructive. I'm more than open to fair criticism. - Thank you for all the suggestions to delete my channel- I've decided not to for now.

[@DreadedGhoul575]

I'd like to see co-op vs ai on tf2.

[@TheTrueSephirothLP]

>liking your own comment

[@FUNKe]

You think it's stupid but i've got to do everything I can to make people read this shit.

[@DreadedGhoul575]

It's for people to notice, especially if it's an important message/note.

[@jackdude756]

I jumped into TF2 and didn't know a single thing, but I learned how to do everything, see I get your point but they want you to make your own style of gaming experience.

[@bpatide]

Now that F2P's can't chat, The Learning Curve is much more wack.

[@bpatide]

@Alvi Syahri That much is certain, Bots won't enter Pubs.

[@bpatide]

@@ben33it oOF, That's probably the worst feeling possible man.

[@bpatide]

@@ben33it I just recently got premium, so I 100% feel you man.

[@cilantromcghee3092]

That's a thing?! I was wondering why I suddenly couldn't chat after returning to the game after a couple years of absence. I thought I had been muted or that it had something to do with steam, not that it was an actual feature of the game!

[@bpatide]

@@cilantromcghee3092 Yeah dude. The bots are the cause

[@calor023]

this aged like both a fine wine and moldy milk

[@awanderer3047]

That one wine that you pass over for years

[@sydssolanumsamsys]

he thought the updates were bad in 2016

[@twin_towers_destroyer]

@@sydssolanumsamsysmeet your match sucked …

[@googism8482]

Valve: Huh, we have a steep learning curve. Let's add more cosmetics

[@SpecterReaper]

WHALÉ _ Gaben: We need to make THREE Employee: Y-you don't mean... Gaben: THREE NEW WEAPONS! Soldier: New weapons? Gaben: For Pyro, then Heavy in the year 133742036066 Soldier: ............AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@skaikaao]

Valve: The tf2 community is asking for balances and fixes? Let’s add more crates and cosmetics!

[@IndigoTail]

Gaben: We will add more weapons and cosmetics! Employees: Sound cool! Gaben: ...then add those tiny level labels just to mess with new players. (The Death Rider: Level 10 hat) (Shortstop: Level 1 pepper gun)

[@clementtompel7558]

And weapons and maps

[@clementtompel7558]

And weapons

[@bronzekilla]

Tf2 would be literally the best shooter of all time if valve would just do something to fix it.

[@stuckonaslide]

if its this good with such a shit dev team. imagine if it had an active dev team that cared. it survived 13 years with an alcoholic abusive dad of a dev team. if it had better devs nothing better could come out. it would be the gold standard.

[@gin1328]

@@stuckonaslide survived with an existing dev team we arent even sure if it still has one besides the janitor and the plant

[@tShuka_]

Theres no way that tf2 can go any better than this. Tf2 is like the casual game that you just play for fun with friends.

[@bpatide]

@@tShuka_ or you know, those Radical Competitive people.

[@trombonetimmy1064]

@@stuckonaslide lmao

[@fredapel6039]

Luckily for me, i discovered the community before the actual game, so i did my homework and then downloaded the game

[@m0j026]

Exactly the same for me. I automatically changed my settings even before entering a game.

[@t1sd3d]

Almost same for me, I watched piemations videos and then got the game so I knew what the game was about

[@aaronking2020]

Same.

[@SirBalageG]

I’ve always wondered what makes someone born after 2000 play this crap, I mean I used to have fun with it but there are cool shooters out there nowadays, better then what we had

[@m0j026]

@@SirBalageG The thing is, not because something was made in the past means that it can't be fun, or a good experience. A bit of an extreme example, but think of old arcade games, like Pac-Man, or Space Invaders, or hell, even Pong. I got Pac-Man downloaded on my phone because it still holds up as a fun game. It's not immersive, and the graphics won't blow anyone's mind, but it's a nice time killer at the very least. TF2 holds up after all these years for a lot of reasons. The artstyle is timeless, better than "Ultra realistic USA soldier simulator No. 86". It also helps hide the polygons on the characters, meaning that even today the models don't look cheap or old. As someone new to the game, there is a lot of content to experience, despite the community starving for new things. And also, the whole trading thing isn't in most modern shooters other than CSGO, which is also made by Valve. These are just some of the reasons I think TF2 is still a great game, I don't really think it has been outclassed in all fronts by new shooters.

[@jensen365]

10:16 Somehow, TF2 gets the highest player base of all time, breaking records by doing, almost nothing literally

[@terencetan9744]

TF2 wins by doing absolutely nothing

[@giedrius2149]

The only winning move is not to play

[@rustypatriot4335]

TF2 fans have Stockholm Syndrome

[@ioaz4579]

well now we know why

[@ME0WMERE]

Funny that. Almost as if the players aren't real people.

[@jonandsn]

9:16 "spy should be able to stab when in front of enemies" he has to be trolling

[@the_Red_Star]

Of course he is, it was probably written by funke himself to mock the stereotypical attitude of HL players

[@Infantryman-ct7qt]

I mean, technically it already does. It's just not a backstab.

[@SnoozingtonnMusic]

I like that idea. the trolling part is the stab while cloaked

[@oddodyssey7231]

The part after it is so much worse

[@victorbakhuis4558]

It's Reddit, what do you think?

[@dwarvenmoray]

I just got TF2 today. I freaking love it, but by God, what the hell is going on. After two years of knowing what it is & watching gameplay videos, I can only really play against bots. Edit: After nearly a year, I'd say I'm doing pretty well, & I can confidently play all the classes on any pubs server.

[@hanthitsaing8091]

Wanna add me in steam? I can help you if u want, im around southeast asia.

[@greenmachine9]

JEBEDIAH KERMAN Lol I had this exact experience when I started playing a month ago

[@lemonade9075]

@@greenmachine9 even though I did mountains of research I still don't feel confident enough to play against real players and it sucks T-T

[@elementalclockwork]

Lucky u get bots I started In 2011 ohhh boy those days were full of shit

[@alexchao2602]

Bots are somewhat predictable and can't tell a spy unless touched or disguised in front of them, and humans can make something odd happen

[@SC-iq2ho]

8:18 Notice how the learning curve for Paladins isn't a completely straight line. It gently goes up a little, and comes back down again.

[@finmin2k]

lmao funke recently said he got really into paladins... dissing paladins though

[@gasternecross]

@@finmin2k it was good when we didnt have overwatch on switch

[@voidkirb5477]

@@gasternecross It was good when the devs didn't ruin it.

[@Josh-oj9mm]

Paladins actually probably has the highest learning curve, at least for the very start. I decided to start playing it, but after five minutes of seeing all the classes and customized stats, i just went "fuck this" and closed the game

[@finmin2k]

@@Josh-oj9mm that's a lack of dedication, not a steep learning curve.

[@Gekk-rx7nv]

I started playing a few months ago with some friends, and although I enjoy the game , I always feel underpowered compared to the rest of the lobby. What are contracts? What is the meta? I have no fucking clue.

[@SirBalageG]

It’s up to you what’s meta, there are dozens of sub-classes, your build is about countering enemy, eg you don’t bring kritzkrieg against 3 turtle engies, you don’t use soldier against airblast pyro etc Seriously you can ask me anything about the game, I’ll help where I can

[@Gekk-rx7nv]

@@SirBalageG Thanks m8. I have been experimenting with airblast, but I just can't get it right. Maybe I just have a lack of depth perception, or I just need to practice

[@goji3908]

@@Gekk-rx7nv same, I suck at airblasting.

[@goji3908]

@@Gekk-rx7nv Oh and contracts are basically challenges that gift you items for doing them, but most of the contracts require you to buy a ticket to do them. But there are the pyroland contracts which are free to do.

[@drumboarder1]

The stock weapons are basically the best weapons for every character which is why most comp players use them

[@JJHatter]

“It gets updated every other week...” Me in 2019: PAIN

[@xyf_blaze8186]

Jack Hardie LIFE IS PAIN

[@yushothu201]

When he said that i for reals wanted to cry

[@gozol9646]

Me in 2020: even more pain.

[@vuelle9816]

Every single f2p in 2020: haha I wish lol

[@Baddestdeath]

Its August now and.... thats will PAIN

[@FUNKe]

Clarification: F6 doesn't DO that, I'm saying it would be a good idea. I'd correct it in the video but endcards disable annotations..

[@lonelylemon858]

FUNKe i got confused for a second and then i realised this is tf2 we're talking about

[@cantflyforshit]

FUNKe thanks for clarifying I had no idea that was possible

[@raptor3406]

Funke are you dying slowly

[@maukator9907]

FUNKe im so fuckin tierd i was like did i ever prees f6 (i just fell asleep) i need to get to my cumputer and then i notis it hasint bin a day sins i fell asleep inthe middel of the sentince also the traing probubly dosent work becaus of your hud mine also stopt then but it cud just be a coincedint i use it on my laptop on my second acount to teach my girlfrend how to play the game

[@nurbekj9709]

OK, U know Team Fortress 2 is almost 10 year old and it's still getting updates and loved by millions, New players can just start learning from keep playing it. If New players wants to learn how to play Team fortress 2, they can watch KZbin. and Yes I do agree Over-watch is good game.

[@snughug1181]

"tf2 gets updated like every week" *HAHAHAHAHAHAHA*! You're serious?

[@SanguineThor]

Used to be

[@katkorotta]

They started update more frequently again in beginning of 2019 and now it has started to go silent again :/

[@sowaaaa_]

@flying potato chip bruhhh stfu

[@Derp12]

Dude it's you except now I found you on funke! So how is my sandvich coming along

[@ruzl108]

it's the very important localization updates

[@smokingrabbit7029]

7:31 i mean we dont have to worry about that anymore...

[@fiazbot5921]

I think the descriptions on the character select screen are part of the reason there are so many clueless spy mains. Spy has the most bullet points, so a new player will think, "Woah! Look at all the stuff this guy can do! I should play as him." and select the Spy.

[@cilantromcghee3092]

Plus the ability to go invisible, and one shot enemies. It's probably pretty attractive to new players.

[@m0j026]

After hearing all of the warnings telling me not to play as spy, I did it anyways, got my ass kicked, and I still don't know what I was expecting.

[@zilet7844]

@@m0j026 it human nature, for example: someone says don't google that! -Then everyone google that because they CAN. Spy is my most played class but I I'm in regret. Kind of a love/hate relationship because I would like to master the big boys like soldier or demo...

[@earkt8989]

People play spy cause he look badass he smokin he look edgy

[@cinemalazare4850]

@@nikachitidze7219 am pretty sure u were topscoring cuz dam the revolver is so underratade

[@DWN037]

7:45 "It gets updated every other week." We get it, FUNKe. You're a stand-up comedian.

[@nomblob5592]

Do you even check the date the video was made?

[@azirul9311]

@@nomblob5592 firstly,this comment is a fucking joke. Secondly,this was fucking two years ago. YOU need to check the date dumbfuck

[@kirbylore4883]

@@azirul9311 1 month ago is still 2020, Henry made the comment 2 years ago, That would be 2018. Oh would you look at that, this was made in 2016.

[@azirul9311]

@@kirbylore4883 and?

[@kirbylore4883]

@@azirul9311 What do you mean and? There is a fucking 2 year age gap between the comment Henry made and when this video was made.

[@blockydogy1188]

I just started playing tf2 this weekend and this was literally my expirience. Joined a match, chose pyro, didn't even know how to switch weapons, tried to use the tutorial, was broken, tried to figure it out for a couple hours, and gave up.

[@blockydogy1188]

Will Howard there. Exactly the problem with the game. You need years of work and I don’t have that time.

[@Plant_btw]

K so I'm kinda late but your better off watching KZbin tutorials on learning, I have only 200 hours and I started by watching people like delfy

[@YT-cn4yf]

@@Plant_btw thing is, you shouldn't have to watch countless tutorials to be decent at a game. I never watched an overwatch video and got pretty good at it naturally. That's impossible with tf2

[@Plant_btw]

@@YT-cn4yf yea, valve just kind of dumps off the player after a very basic tutorial

[@bingusbongus1912]

i kept using the mouse scroll wheel to switch weapons until i accidentally pressed q and realised it was a much easier way of doing it

[@unfunnyserbian]

"Geting updated every month" i forgot this was 4 years ago

[@Gaminggoodboi]

now it's been 7

[@leesmith7101]

If you want to learn to play TF2, play as a medic for a good few hours. You will see how all the classes play.

[@themcjarhead1383]

This is actually solid advice, considering you know how to use the medic. :P

[@matesboat9466]

Teammates would call you a bad Medic and kick you even before you could get the situation of the moment

[@leesmith7101]

Nick TheNick It worked for me. Just make sure the guy you are healing is in front of you and not behind. Don't rush in to enemy lines with one guy, stay back and heal the hole team.

[@cheezandtoast]

ya and you see what not to do when people just die all the time. thats pretty smart i feel dumb that i havnt figured out this at 2k hours.

[@lucasdriessen5369]

lee smith that's just general advice for playing a healer in any game

[@Bonjemus]

New players : we need tutorial! Valve : Let's add more cosmetics.

[@jackmoseley4959]

Valve needs to fix their game. Literally the most I knew of how to play tf2 before starting was from repeated viewings of Lazypurple’s “How it feels” vids. Frankly, MvM would be a better tutorial then what we actually have. Gameplay is different, but you have time to learn: “Okay, the robots like coming through here, so I’ll use this sentry gun my teammates told me about here!” BOOM, learned about chokepoints. “Hey, those guys are healing the big robot! Ima kill them with this sniper rifle” Suddenly, it was learned how to prioritise targets. “Uh oh, the bombs about to blow! Wait, Mouse 2?... HOLY $#%@ I HAVE A KNOCKBACK” Tada, basic pyro! That sounds good on paper, since the “Coach” system went out the window.

[@fenn_fren]

*Valve:* banana hat!

[@austinb3832]

if valve just gave incentive to coach (maybe they add a system where you gain some kind of points that you can spend on cosmetics, and youd get more the better ratings you get?) and made the coaching system better, the learning curve would still be high, but if a new player knew what coaching was, it would be a lot easier if they made the changes i mentioned

[@superiorspidey3384]

If by valve u mean the 2 monkeys on crack that maintain the game ur statement is true

[@Bonjemus]

@@superiorspidey3384 lmao

[@ActualDirt]

TF2 is the size of a puddle with the depth of the ocean.

[@TheGoreforce]

It turned shit after the introduction of new weapons.

[@gamer_x403]

TheGoreforce Hell no.

[@TheGoreforce]

wrong

[@GamerTheTurtle]

I started slightly disliking it the moment they began shoving skins and renamed crates down your throat. They had it going really well when the last new thing was their killstreak weapons those were the good old days

[@Intothevoid-NIB]

"Depth" isn't exactly the word I'd use. Sure, there's lots of -engine exploits- mechanics, but they add complexity without adding any real depth, AKA, raising the skill floor without raising the skill ceiling.

[@waltzleafington363]

7:40 "gets updated every single week" oh God. How far we've fallen

[@Anzyll]

I'm self-taught, and it took me around 400 hours to have general knowledge of each weapon, class, and other basic shit. So yeah, a tutorial could have been nice.

[@JokullFreyr]

Ambiticus Huh, took me around half that time. Were you watching a lot of KZbin videos as well?

[@RajasVids]

guarantee you didn't know shit after 200 hours

[@JokullFreyr]

shibbyfoo929 I promise, I did. But I probably had spent along side that around 400 on KZbin. When I get obsessive with a game I get very obsessive. I mean like spending all day either playing or watching it.

[@JokullFreyr]

shibbyfoo929 I mean, I wasn't maybe that good, but I knew a lot about the game, about weapons and such

[@averagefnafhaterwhoalsohas7502]

Who do you main?

[@regg41]

6:37 Top blu dude has ONE ping

[@xavierrodriguez2463]

He's actually at valve headquarters plugged right into the server with an Ethernet cable

[@antarticstorm7991]

@@xavierrodriguez2463 lol

[@Emeowy]

@@xavierrodriguez2463 WELL SHIET

[@khornate01thedestroyerofis11]

R Egg might be the host on a community server

[@StrzelbaStian]

You can actually change your displayed ping in the console

[@GeneralTaco155555a]

Holy shit, I haven't played TF2 in a long ass time wtf happened...

[@memed4509]

GeneralTaco155 nothing

[@emhabit]

GeneralTaco155 meet your match: get cance- I mean get competative

[@emhabit]

campeteteve

[@emhabit]

compotytyve

[@emhabit]

competitive

[@godbobo4088]

Honestly, I’ve never played TF2. I don’t own a computer capable to play it and I probably won’t any time soon. But I’ve watched so many videos, essays, guides, and content in general about TF2 to the point that I’ve been taught about a good bit of the complex mechanics, so in a way I have gotten a proper tutorial on the game, without ever even playing it.

[@fnytnqsladcgqlefzcqxlzlcgj9220]

tf2 can have ita graphics whittled to the bone, theres no way you cant play it unless you have a low end laptop from 2006

[@goofyahdemoman1134]

@@fnytnqsladcgqlefzcqxlzlcgj9220 he probably still has windows 95

[@arbitercs]

I ran it using some fps tweak mods and managed to get it running around 40-50 fps on a notebook when I was around 12, it looked like shit but still really fun.

[@calcutt4]

TF2s graphics have changed very little since 2007. It will work on anything except a low end PC with Windows 98

[@phoenixvance6642]

If you want a realistic expectation of the lowest end computer that can run it, I played it on a celeron n4000 computer ($200USD in 2018) on integrated graphics with 4GB of ram. With all the performance config tweaks I could manage and 720p resolution, i got 15-24 frames per second depending on the amount of players and what was going on. It's rougher than 144fps, and it will occasionally be the reason you die, and the lower resolution hurts long range visibility, but it's still possible to have a great game and do well. If you have any cpu+igpu pair equivalent to or stronger than an N4000, you can play and enjoy tf2

[@shemshem9998]

“Don’t tell me the game being old is a excuse, it gets updated every other week and has a active development team while staying in the top 5 on steam at all times” that did not age well, not at all

[@trigger796]

That hurt to hear when he said that

[@SirNarax]

I like how the Paladins curve actually curves downwards.

[@SinOnHumanity]

Still require more brain cells than both games tbh.

[@davealwan9246]

I dont understand why 98% of paladin players suck ass at the game , when it's so damn easy

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

@@SinOnHumanity cringe

[@AgniFirePunch]

@@davealwan9246 because it is a team based game where nobody plays as a team.The worst player tend to pick damage as it's the only way they can get kills.Not to mention there is a good proportion of kids and lobotomites who never bother to make a deck let alone refine it.Coming from siege I just pubstomp every casual game with tyra or jenos

[@bimss7969]

SinOnHumanity riiiiiight...

[@gamegladi8or669]

And even the best current way to learn (loading tips) the majority of them aren’t even correct because they’re outdated.

[@shtuffs]

wait really?

[@InternetTAB]

Or you're on sm SSD and they whiz by

[@Bondubras]

Or they're preset text that completely disregard any hotkey edits.

[@bahg4226]

@@bobth6095 some stuff about the vita-saw or the pretty boy's pocket pistol is wrong

[@fenn_fren]

_As a Spy, press to switch teams in your disguise kit._

[@ascaban6220]

Thought this vid was like a week old until I heard "weapon rebalances being confusing" and then I realised it was 4 years old

[@Justin-sl3sb]

I have 5600 hours in this game, and I've NEVER had the manntreads item in my inventory, not for a single second, never gotten it from a drop, never gotten it from a trade, I've literally never used them!

[@ziphy9803]

your loss, they are the best item in the game

[@luigifan4585]

Ziphy *one of the most useless FTFY

[@Owsier]

>Manntreads >Best item >Big kek Think you're getting confused with the gunboats buddy.

[@ziphy9803]

TOwen No I said what i meant and i meant what i said

[@Owsier]

Ziphy Oh, okay. Odd.

[@kiroakimada2775]

"Updated every other week" "Developers that care" Are you sure your describing tf2?

[@tTaseric]

At the time you wrote this, Valve updated the game pretty frequently with bug fixes ect

[@tTaseric]

The time they wrote this comment was during the jungle inferno update / scream fortress update. if you could read you would see that

[@rignatetris4435]

and yet they dont fix the bloody matchmaking, we get the pyro update, we get the scream fortress update, and at some point the heavy update. Yet they somehow dont man up and fix matchmaking to save their game and get a constant flow of new players? not to mention fix the broken offline bots and completely redo the training and make it for all classes?

[@fardmcshid931]

+WhiteRice pyro is a necessary evil. See the 4 scouts at the start of the video? Replace them with spies.

[@donuberry7654]

Phoenix Artice well the devs do care it’s just that there are barely any devs to begin with

[@FalbereChan]

a game that doesnt fucking teach you how to play it? tekken fucking 7.

[@waldenotwalled5783]

Falbere! *Every single fighting game ever

[@mockingbird667]

Some Guilty Gear games do teach you though

[@mvtto]

Falbere! I remember buying that game. Sold it the day after.

[@soma1294]

It even has the same shitty "loadingscreen tips are enough" mentality

[@FalbereChan]

nice joke

[@Brijor-]

7:45 “the game gets updated every other week” the year is 2021 this line fills me with Old memories of playing the game with my friends who long since gone to college :(

[@finalshade8592]

I started Playing TF2 recently. All I knew was the things I saw in videos. Things like: Engineer builds things, Spy can sap them and backstab, Pyro can reflect rockets, Scout can double jump, Heavy is basically a tank, Soldier has Rocket Jumping, and Sandviches can be used by a Heavy to heal. That's pretty much it. And now, I have only 2-3 hours played on each class, and I'm aware of my strong points and weak points, like how I'm a terrible Scout and don't trust my teammates enough to not br spies to play as Medic well without seeming like a Battle Medic, and have terrible, TERRIBLE Sniper aim, and that I'm a moderately good Pyro and Soldier, while also being an okay Spy. Despite that, I have no idea what I'm doing half the time.

[@rednidedni3875]

Alexander Richmond I can help You out if You want. If You Do, add me on steam

[@mrbigcheese0]

cmon you are just bad

[@ItsYee64]

same

[@phoenix_egs3045]

well are you imediatly good at lets say overwatch? after 2-3 hours on each hero?

[@flamingnebula6696]

You know more than most pyro mains (I am joking I actually mained pyro for a bit)

[@ryanrobinson3367]

i just downloaded this game last night amd have about a hour in every character. this video said everything i was feeling and more. one of the best videos ive seen in awhile

[@schlooby5103]

takes more than an hour to learn a game as complex as tf2.

[@triznathaniel122]

he said an hour on each, learn to read.

[@thederpscoutreturns8709]

Play the Offline matches. They teach you better than the ACTUAL TUTORIAL.

[@brendopls]

ryan Robinson even tho I stopped playing last year it is still one of my favorite games. hope you enjoy it.

[@candincer924]

Dont forget about the community hate to the new players man.... I played 164 hours and nearly everyone blames new players....

[@ahbraveconscript997]

overwatch has some fun characters but the announcer is poop compared to tf2's almighty Helen!

[@rayzvn943]

Василий Калинкин yup.

[@arvidbergman]

Василий Калинкин well, the Overwatch announcer is a fucking robot, there's nothing dandy to throw in there.

[@Raging-Lion]

Василий Калинкин truth

[@thestarryeyedobserver]

Василий Калинкин No.

[@abaddon_9941]

I like OW's announcer.

[@TheRealPhaeism]

*gets up dated every other week* I'M NOT CRYING YOU ARE

[@jas_bataille]

I don't feel bad at being bad at TF2 anymore.

[@schlooby5103]

Jas Bataille you find your own way to be good as long as its not hacking.

[@deprecated7681]

Yeah, cause it's their fault for not making it easier for casuals.

[@nofreezepeach3959]

DefiantBoris Your the try-hard who ruins the game for everyone, by complaining about new and players who are less experienced.

[@deprecated7681]

DefiantBoris i agree, but what I think is that new players should be more aware of what they can work with to learn about tf2. Other than that, yeah, git gud, or git out.

[@josephsheldon8582]

Psh, why should new players even want to play this game? It seems to be a uninviting, over-complicated, poorly explained and severely outdated piece of shit. Asking new players to "git gud, or git out" will just illicit the response "lol k. I'll just go play Overwatch. This game will continue to die and we all know that it won't get replaced by a squeal. Have fun on your sinking ship of a franchise.

[@CommissarPickle]

"Gets updated every other week" Me sitting here: howboldbis this video?

[@sviatoslavs.1305]

Date of release: 14th of Dec., 2016 Status: *U L T R A O L D*

[@uhrguhrguhrg]

howboldbis

[@Cheddar_Wizard]

@Cakenja The nerve. Some fuckin nerve.

[@darrenaqilawangsech8652]

uhm, there's even a steam community card about how long they could count before the next major update... it's frickin 15.5-ish K

[@koboltanimations7870]

"Has an activedevelopment team" is the most painful 7 year old line

[@fezdalek]

TF2 is dying. Overwatch is blooming. But hey,atleast TF2 will still be alive by the time it becomes 10 years old.

[@carloscorrea6775]

Fezdalek Abraian like kids with cancer ;)

[@arvidbergman]

Fezdalek Abraian isn't that in like, October next year? It might just die in that time.

[@kap7514]

Nope, now Overwatch is dying as well.

[@LosPibesComentan]

TF2 is kinda boring because the lack of updates, and Overwatch is kinda boring to me so Im basically fucked

[@arvidbergman]

Nummi Gummi you don't mean the Christmas update, right?

[@Jensen6297]

I quit playing TF2 because i had no idea how to really play it. I tried really hard how to do all the stuff i would watch my team do and have no idea why i would fail. Now i know from you that there are things i can learn from the community. Ill give it a try again.

[@ImAlpharius]

Watch Mr. Paladin and uncle Dane

[@bingusbongus1912]

there are a few good subreddits as well that you can check out like r/newtotf2

[@rileycorrigan5593]

TF2: Only has a 4 class out of 9 tutorial League of Legends: Hold my beer

[@Madpadness]

Eh at least there's the champion spotlight on the KZbin.

[@sauce4279]

@@Madpadness plus, LoL has, what, 400 champions?

[@ParadiseNigh]

@@sauce4279 to be fair, a cute little portion of them are either directly from dota or from the hero idea bin from Dota All-Star forums. Fuck Pendragon

[@sauce4279]

@@ParadiseNigh really? I didnt know that. Are LoL and Dota properties of the same company?

[@WeirdSketcher]

@@sauce4279 to answer both questions 1. It's around 150 champions as of now 2. It's not made by the same Company, but one of the Creators of League of Legends used to work on Dota All Star by the name of Guinsoo

[@ranki8961]

It took me 7 Spy Game hours to know that with 4 you can camouflage as other players (i've never used the mouse scroll so o didn't come across the thing) anda now this comment Will never be read as it's commented on a 7y/o video

[@talesoftheinlandseas5063]

Yeah I dont use the scroll wheel either so that's pretty frustratint

[@catswork]

i read it and thats rly funny

[@starhammer5247]

Read it.

[@mhyme5063]

I've got nearly 1,500 hours on tf2 and I never knew that F6 even existed. Wtf

[@zudy9067]

Harlequin No it doesnt exist lol 0 does the thing

[@snakeboy2017]

Drink me Maybe because you can't reguster in any server?

[@higaindane]

Same

[@RammusTheArmordillo]

Same !

[@OperationDEEZ]

What... Does F6 do?

[@OizenX]

I have absolutely zero faith in valve salvaging tf2. Its sad isnt it.

[@ValentineC137]

+Literal Cancer and hats

[@shadyflames4158]

Better crush it under a road roller.

[@sharkymcsnarkface6642]

Oh shut up, we say that every damn update and we know it.

[@lordgaben55]

Burn the heretic.

[@TheGoreforce]

It hasn't been good sense F2P and/or the introduction of hats and new weapons. Modded maps are still fun though.

[@Raythebluejay]

Alright, reading some of these comments I thought I might as well give my 2 cents on this. I've played the game for about 7 years and have 2.7k hours on it so I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about. A lot of people on here talking shit on Justyn's points, in my opinion, simply haven't played the game long enough to see some of its major flaws which can easily be overlooked. Just because the game is "old" doesn't mean it should be given free passes. The fact that tf2 does such a poor job at EDUCATING new players on how to play the game is part of the reason why it's on the decline right now. That and the fact that the new updates are so poorly put together that it's easy to lose interest in the game. At this point, the anger directed at tf2 is pretty well deserved. Competitive games are rarely balanced with almost always having someone that "shouldn't be playing comp". Simply put, tf2 doesn't do a good job at distinguishing between what new players SHOULD do so have a better transition in the game. That's why you rarely see good snipers/spies in casual. They're attractive classes to play for someone that's new to the game, sure, but the fact that there is so much complexity to the game that's not accurately relayed to players makes for oddly balanced games. Final note, yes i do think tf2 is a game with lost potential. They could have done so much more with it. Competitive should have been implemented years ago for example. With all this said, everyone needs to stop getting so TRIGGERED. it's just a game, if you love it, then love it. You shouldn't just talk shit on a video because you disagree with no points to back yourself up. If you truly loved the game, then you should realize that at this point, there are some deep rooted problems wit it and openly talk about it.

[@andressanjuan1107]

Ray same people who make fun of others for being free to play or simply choosing a class like pyro and w+m1ing.

[@toledochristianmatthew9919]

I agree with the video as well. I am new to the game and have been playing for only a month with about 90 hours of gameplay. It took me a lot of effort just to master the basics. Hell, I still don't know how to do single rocket jump and i keep killing myself. However, I am still interested and yes I literally watched a lot of the videos here on youtube to at least understand how the game works and still trying to improve. Right now, Valve it seems really trying their best to catch up because of their rivalry now with Overwatch. Paladins might even rival them as well once the open beta is finally finished.

[@ABurntMuffin]

I've never played a game before or since that made your hours feel like they were important. A player with 10 hours and a player with 600 hours shouldn't even be on the same level. I don't care if you think games should be friendlier to new players, experienced players shouldn't be made to feel like they lost to a "luck" factor. I'm looking at you random crits.

[@arcven0444]

game is going down dude even FUCKING FOOTBALL MANAGER has more players and even a beta game pubg has more players than a game like tf2.tf2 needs updates that teaches actual team mechanics.i played mge so much because i didnt like teams.but i realized that i should be playing with teams and learn more and i started playing with teams after 1000 hours of not playing with teams.i tried to play with team do the thing that they didnt do.but nothing happened for a while after that i learned about playing with team when to play demoman,scout soldier medic or heavy but it TOOK 700 HOURS to learn it.it needs an update that teaches weapons in tf2 and what class' made for.like i had no idea what to play so i thought healing people and seeing what they are doing would help if i watch them.i did it and learned it but other players maybe doesnt even had a chance like that.i agree points that FUNKe made.and tf2 needs more programmers that will actually updates the game

[@ABurntMuffin]

for sure it's going down, but most games don't last 2 years let alone 10ish

[@uncheckable_vibe6891]

"which all get outdated after every weapon and class rebalance" thankfully valve has taken great steps to fix this problem

[@somemaycallthisjunkmeicall133]

I got fairly decent in Overwatch in 3 days. I got fairly decent in TF2 in 3 months. I suck i know

[@dabboisang5165]

Some may call this junk me I call them treasure 3 months ?? that's cute

[@MarijuanaGuy]

You must have severe learning disabilities.

[@SylentVoidkeeper]

pearlfect You have issues, sir

[@Kozzly]

pearlfect Took me 1 day for overwatch but for tf2 it took me about a year. No joke.

[@dog508]

pearlfect I have over 300 hours on tf2, and my aim still sucks.

[@joseph4445]

This is exactly why I quit TF2. 2000 hours The developers just don't give a single fuck about the game with a lot of potential. TF2 has been in development for 18 years Overwatch has been in development for under 4 years and it is way more polished and it listens to it's community. TF2 is dying, people like to be ignorant about that fact, but it is dying. Sure it is still highly played, but most players who have played it a long time are quitting. It's a free game which attracts a lot of kids who's mother won't buy them games online, but that's what it is. Filled with braindead players who are new, hackers and bronies, lots and lots of bronies.

[@luigifan4585]

be:zel I find it strange you you had to point out a certain fandom....

[@MrJuanyeah]

hey, bronies aren't that bad xd

[@ZERO-tv5zg]

TheMRJuan I just see your profile, wow

[@MrJuanyeah]

XXX_not_gigli_pro_XXX Xxx_another_xxx_xxX k

[@ZERO-tv5zg]

TheMRJuan ;)

[@okboomerbutitsacat8050]

"it gets updated every other week" *Laughs* *Laughing turns into crying*

[@stainsaint5870]

6 spy on my team pls mercy

[@yeatnumber1Dmuncher]

I saw this comment 6 months ago, then joined a 9-spies team in casual and we actually won (of course I played as the 10th spy) about two weeks ago and remembered about this comment.

[@fenn_fren]

We had 9 once lmao

[@kenjen9861]

@Harvey One time, on casual, my team in the middle of one of those payload map-to-maps (similar to Gold Rush) unanimously decided to all go hunstman snipers, and dominated the enemy team!

[@helmetluigi]

Overwatch is a game? I thought it was just waifus

[@TituloAlternativo]

guess what, it has a major playerbase than tf2.

[@moviesrobert]

>implying tf2 is not husbanos

[@yeshua-hamashiach]

It has more players than TF2 by more than 5 times.

[@clouds2589]

+yeshua You're comparing a game that was made in 2007 to a game that was made in 2016. Surely you see the fault in that, right?

[@moviesrobert]

Arcyne so TF2 shouldent be treated with as much respect cause its old, thats what youre trying to say? that we cant compare it to overwatch cause its old and overwatch is new?

[@Cyann33andaThird]

why can't overwatch and tf2 live in peace?

[@TheGreatUtubeIan]

Because that would require people to be open minded

[@Gonnluv]

Because at the end of the day, as long as there are two fanbases left on the planet, someone is gonna want someone dead.

[@adamshumate8858]

Because Overwatch fans try to start shit and TF2 fans get mad about it

[@Wizurdous]

-AD5M- Overwatch fans enjoy their game and try to talk about it to friends only to get yelled at about how it's a clone and overhyped*

[@ricktophermenendez5983]

paycheck gang, group up

[@ryancresawn4726]

I've been playing TF2 off and on for 13 years and I still don't know what i'm doing

[@ryancresawn4726]

There was this one time I logged in and all the game modes were melee based or something, then i logged in one day and couldn't even find that game mode I was so confused.

[@darrenaqilawangsech8652]

@@ryancresawn4726 Lmao then it must've been a timed event

[@landlockedcroat1554]

how

[@aRealOne9894]

Maybe you joined degroot keep?

[@bjarkehammerbakpaluszewski6219]

FUNKe: TF2 is like if we forced kids to assemble their toys like factory workers, before they were allowed to play with them Lego: Am i a joke to you?

[@bjarkehammerbakpaluszewski6219]

The_Purple_Squid exactly

[@Akemi-Homura-]

True mt

[@Nostradankus]

LEGO comes with actual instructions tho

[@justseffstuff3308]

Lego comes with very detailed instructions, and TF2 is like needing to melt plastic and pour it into molds to make every single brick.

[@Raizazel]

@@justseffstuff3308 The kicker is that those molds are not included and you have to make them yourself.

[@matijos2442]

Valve: makes what is considered to be the best tutorial of all times in half life. Also valve: fuck that you learn

[@bubblemage1791]

Don't starves learning curve is a literal straight vertical line. It literally puts you in the world, says good luck and then just fucks off without even telling you basic movement or any skills at all. Thanks.

[@secretgarbage6581]

I was so excited to play that game for months after watching Sips play it. When I got the game, I just got either really bored or DESTROYED if I tried to start with anything but the established starting steps.

[@perpetualsystems]

Ey boi better get ready for dem night k bai

[@adog3129]

Bubblemage1 omg that game is so hard. I remember working so hard to catch a rabbit and cook it then it just heals a tiny bit

[@edfreak9001]

Yeaaaah Don't Starve isn't even a "learn as you play" game, it's a "load up the wiki" game.

[@bird2112]

look at this wandering pig,staying right next to him might kill you...

[@Forge_595]

Is it me, or when watching an over watch video, you have no idea as to what’s going on bc of all the crap on the screen

[@KeeperOfNonArcane]

7:45 Well this just dated the video quickly.

[@Roboyt17]

😭😭

Well of course. To be fair you have to have a really high IQ to understand how to play TF2.

[@skeltor1446]

well at least to be somewhat good at it

[@oscarmccormack1611]

Stagskull Fuck you.

[@ZVENOM6134]

Oscar McCormack Why the rage? I don’t see anything wrong with his statement, it requires you to use your brain a lot especially in the high competitive leagues

[@oscarmccormack1611]

Neko™ It's not actually a comment about TF2. It's a Rick and Morty meme.

[@Jcdlf7]

Stagskull I literally just played engineer and placed my turret on top of buildings and get the most kills and damage every game. spies do nothing since none of them know how to aim.

[@jackhensel8853]

Because it is updated every two weeks Not a problem any more

[@crab7252]

Ninja Killre lol

[@TrickyRover]

TF2 still has a learning cliff.

[@simple_most788]

porcodio

[@notfunnyperson3496]

are you still confident in that?

[@MrDuck-po3wy]

Man this Comment is dated

[@dasdadwaswad7358]

“Has a active dev team” minutes before disaster

[@patota574]

7:27 a tf2 muselk video. I’M NOT CRYING YOU’RE CRYING

[@Dino-qu8xl]

ikr he went rouge

[@longislandlegoboy]

His moremuselk channel has some more recent ones

[@havoc1768]

Sad drummer noises

[@tf3confirmedbuthv54]

Dino rogue*

[@Omegaset]

Eh fuck em, that fortnite milker doesn't deserve your tears

[@MRSLIN]

TFW you have a FUNKe cameo FeelsGoodMan

[@SomethingtoappeaseGoogle-1024]

I'm bad at TF2 but I don't mind because I never took the game seriously. I always felt like it was a game you would play to waste time. You could always leave a game without being punished and there would always be that one guy who bought every taunt and would do nothing but stand in the middle of fights playing Russian or Cuban music. I'm amazed some people actually care about team composition and available weapons.

[@Tony-lo3nh]

You're stupid.

[@SomethingtoappeaseGoogle-1024]

Tony I already said I am bad at this game. You're contributing nothing to the discussion.

[@Tony-lo3nh]

Something_to_appease_Google Ok sorry for not explaining jack shit. What I meant to say is you're stupid for thinking people shouldn't take the game seriously. And don't say "the game has a lot of memes why would you take it seruiously" because only because there are silly things doesn't mean the mechanics and competition shouldn't be considered.

[@Tony-lo3nh]

Something_to_appease_Google Still why would you be surprised, the game has a lot of great mechanics how can they not take it seriously, and I said should as a mistake.

[@SomethingtoappeaseGoogle-1024]

Tony The matchmaking is absolute dogshit. In a game with real matchmaking like Dota 2, the only way noobs can play against pros is by buying an account for $30 or by playing in a private lobby. In TF2, I enter a match and there's always an unkillable sniper killing me with headshots regardless of class because the TF2 matchmaking system allows for noobs to be paired with pros. If you want to take TF2 seriously, go ahead. I will keep my opinion that it's retarded some guy with several thousand hours gets to play against some noob who has the Ghostly Gibus or whatever because that's his only hat.

[@kovacsbalint6696]

Then: it updates almost every week now: It updates localisation files almost eevry week

[@Todija]

They trying their best to fix localization files for the ~230th time

[@ladypaprika627]

I know I’m late, but... “TF2 maintains top 5 on Steam at all times” *a few minutes later* “If TF2 doesn’t rebalance and etc, it’ll struggle to maintain relevance.” ------- Also, 2019 TF2 has basically same levels of players.

[@lain8614]

It doesn't tho

[@lain8614]

It's declined significantly and only about half the people that are playing are real humans at any given time

[@retardedfishfrogs1]

@@lain8614 looking at it right now it's about the same as in the screenshot in the video from 3 years ago

[@nephiuwu]

looking at it now and its 70k (a gain of +15k)

[@coolranch2981]

@@nephiuwu with a majority of trading and afk bots

[@joke5735]

I actually admit, if loading tips didn't exist I would have quit tf2 a long time ago

[@sesseljabs964]

[sees a loading tip] wait you can do that

[@valtroid]

0:19 "Into the KORRA the action" HAH

[@wuk9109]

GOTEEM

[@Trusskkawa]

wat game is it

[@cheatsykoopa98]

valtroid lives? xD

[@L-Mop]

OH I GET IT

[@Sweetfunkyjesus]

o shit

[@l1ghtd3m0n3]

“The development team is still working on it” Yeah, all 1 of the people in it

[@bcatgamering]

I actually made my friend think vs Saxton Hale was the default gamemode and was made by Valve for a bit.

[@Gunslingerwashere]

Savage.

[@johnnyhell1215]

ok?

[@dafrandle]

lol

[@justlikeakid6856]

Cx

[@stevewilliams4793]

Dude, your comment section is pure cancer... Never saw your content before. This video was great. (Editing. Voice-Over & Explanation.) In return, as criticism. For the longest part I was like "Pffff! How hard could it be, I know games like that..." so the arguments like achievements related weapons would have been handy earlier. Since I usually don't skip much in videos that I find somewhat interesting, this was information was teased but not discussed a few times to often. At least for my taste. Keep it up :)

[@FUNKe]

I definitely think I could have done a better job at streamlining my points and organizing my order better. I appreciate the criticism, thanks

[@josephstovall3087]

I have 600 hrs and I didn't know about that F6 thing

[@dis5143]

f6 is to save replays theres not a menu thing he saying there should be

[@SnancyNegative]

Yes, F6 is to save the replays that don't exist whatsoever.

[@pwnslayerable]

i have 1867 hours and i found out that F6 thing today ._.

[@lonelylemon858]

pwnslayerable f6 thing isnt a thing! Funke was just using it as an example

[@wuk9109]

Ikr.

[@pietraolegal]

I've played the game since 2015, stopped in 2018 (where the game was pretty much dead) and see the game reborning again with the memes actually makes me happy

[@gamesux420]

can i just say: RIP TF2 COMICS

[@cantankerousgoblin]

We should be getting 6 before the end of the year, cross your fingers and clench your ass while you pray.

[@ArchieGamez]

AND...... DELAYED TO NEXT YEAR ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@Neu-Arnshalde.Psycho]

5TH IS DELAYED IN THIS YEAR OR NEXT 3 MONTHS!!!!!! READ MOOOOOOOOOOORE!!!!

[@lonelylemon858]

People say overwatch is better than tf2. Maybe, maybe not, but i would like to see how overwatch holds up in 9 years

[@holo7070]

Ecosplit Depends on Blizzard considered how old WoW is

[@mylesmc1321]

I enjoy playing Overwatch but sometimes I also think about that. Maybe Blizzard will let people mod the game somehow? idk that's the only way I can see it living for as long as tf2 has

[@holo7070]

Mr. Gen TF2 has been around cause of three major things it aged very well the fan base of the really old players never give up on it and how customizable it is of Blizzard would make it so we could have client side mods that would really help say I can download a audio file such as Darth Vaders infamous "noooo" and replace it with Reapers ult that would be neat

[@Fruzhin5483]

i feel that it may hold for 9 years since the team working for OW is more than 20 guys

[@static2634]

Ecosplit warcraft is still a thing and it's a blizz title so I mean overwatch could last longer than tf2

[@xXSKY64Xx]

I tried to get into TF2 years ago, and I never figured out what my role is for each class.

[@Blank-zn2zk]

Well, worry not! There are many useful videos on KZbin made by the community of tf2 that can teach you the roles for each class than how many years ago you tried to get into tf2! Just search the class you're most interested in KZbin and it'll show beginners' guide/tutorial for that class.

[@anthonykay1580]

Didnt you see the "Meet the" videos?

[@Flamuski]

You really are a bot

[@NeopolitanOW]

Slightly Distressed Man In Huge Turtleneck if only I could give gold to comment like you can on reddit.... actually, cancel that, KZbin already has enough money

[@dopomaximus7083]

@Noobz4Lief thank

[@marten2857]

TF2 pros: very original and extremely fun game TF2 cons: very unbalanced and hard to learn Overwatch pros: Easy to grasp and exciting mechanics Overwatch cons: game is not tf2

[@Thankfully_Over]

I've tried playing tf2 atleast three times and I ended up just sitting in a corner confused about everything. And I have been watching videos about tf2 for years.

[@sebastianturner2458]

I started once, decided it wasn't worth it, and left. That was years ago, I still like learning about the game, but I have no intentions of ever playing it.

[@CRRNCRW]

I practiced in offline mode for like 6 hours as different classes, decided sniper was the one I was best at, joined a 2Fort match... Immediately got headshot the moment I stepped out of resupply

[@DonDonPachi]

so much butthurt in this comment section lmao *prepares to be crucified for having an Overwatch avatar*

[@negativepixel6276]

*crucifies*

[@xavierh.5102]

TF2 fans seem insanely defensive when its said that overwatch is better than TF2 in some aspects, get ready for a shitstorm.

[@negativepixel6276]

Xavier H. tbh Overwatch fans get just as triggered when pEople say that some classes are carbon copies of tf2 characters (medic/mercy. demoman/junkrat. soldier/pharah) but I enjoy both games. why do people have to argue what's better

[@shookshark9870]

i love both games tbh, like in tf2 you can rocket jump, surf and be a friendly and give food for the needing people. And in OW YOU.CAN.TRANSFORM.INTO.A.TANK

[@negativepixel6276]

Overwatch isn't as perfect as people say. Overwatch has problems with hackers as well. People get matched with others with way higher levels than them. Certain characters need serious rebalancing (Sombras damage output and Roadhogs hook for example) and console players are forced to get the Origins Edition of Overwatch that is $60 while the pc you can Just get it for $40. But either way, I enjoy both TF2 and Overwatch but both of their fans are extremely aggressive towards each other and it's just as stupid as the console wars. Overwatch players brag about how "perfect" the game is while TF2 players do the same and it needs to stop. Both games have problems but both are fun to play.

[@ameteuraspirant]

wait you can press f6 to know what your weapons do???

[@truffles]

no

[@ameteuraspirant]

truffles then why did he say that in the video?

[@Matthew-zk9lh]

He said ''But even the most basic mechanics like hitting F6 to open a menu that tells you what your current items are capable of doing would fill such an essential hole that the game's currently empty of.''

[@fapbakerbearandpedo7]

no

[@ameteuraspirant]

Mateus ahhhh. that'd be a neat feature for sure. I could never quite get into this game, I played a lot of pyro and medic spamming around in some small community servers.

[@Andresalex4]

As someone who played a lot of TF2 back in the day, became unable to play it for a good 2 - 3 years then finally came back to it with like 0 clue of what I'm doing in a casual match and finishing with a K/D of 4 - 14, this video makes me feel better about myself

[@steffake7772]

Well I started tf2 clueless but it didnt took me a lot to learn how to play

[@roddydykes7053]

Gavril Stefan yeah it's a fps with 9 characters to pick from, learn what they do well, be the most needed role in a given game

[@damo3923]

It's not about the characters, it's about the hundreds of weapons and loadout combinations that goes with them.

[@3uft]

i have 500 hours and still learn new things every week

[@jasonsmith-lv5my]

firing your weapons is one thing knowing how to use them to get kills and mobility is another. it takes time before u reach pubstomping level let alone competitive.

[@Left4Cake]

TonyKnockOff Perhaps at least do one for both the stock and the most essential weapons like sandwich and ubersaw.

[@lucas9114]

I love how Paladin's skill level is a straight line

[@rtydht45r5]

i like the part where the game only gets fun after about 1000+ hours

[@TrickyRover]

Fucking Relatable

[@Brent-jj6qi]

I have fun with under 50 hours (but I medic main in mvm so yeah)

[@fattburger6801]

elbowgreese actually I had plenty of fun in my beginner days even when I was completely clueless. But what u said is pretty subjective and based on your personal experience so im gonna stop talking :/

[@yegorgribenuke6853]

300 hours Im in community for 4 years

[@Celatra]

I've always had fun in the game but it's now even more fun when you realize nothing will ever make sense in the game

[@Weldedhodag]

y'know, its funny, because Age of Empires 2 definitive edition, an RTS of all things, has an abundant number of optional tutorials. The William Wallace campaign teaches you all the basic game mechanics, and the Art of War teaches you the more advanced tactics that all the competitive players use. Its honestly pretty funny that something as Niiche as an RTS game teaches new players better than an FPS, something with much broader appeal

[@downbad4urdad]

Happy to know I'm not retarded for playing 5 hours in total and feeling as though I've made zero progress. I feel so horribly ineffective it's overwhelmingly frustrating, and I resort to medic to avoid dying 24/7.

[@whynot8933]

I have played 60 hours and its a steep learning curve. Yesterday i couldnt hit anything. Bext day i hit every enemy. I cant rly explain it.

[@aknightwhosaysnein3378]

Ive played 300 hours and I still dont know what c tapping and rocket jumpiny past its very basics is completely lost to me.

[@whynot8933]

@@aknightwhosaysnein3378 70 hrs and still accept my fate when a pyro burns me as spy

[@whynot8933]

Now I'm 200 hours and I can only meme myself ingame...

[@sliver3703]

@@whynot8933 Dw man I have about 1000 hours and I'm the same as any other Joseph.Garcia.04 that just downloaded the game.

[@IPpainting]

i never realized that tf2 would be complex to any level before this vid and now wtf

[@roddydykes7053]

What do you think of Counter-Strike's learning curve if you find this one "problematic"?

[@RPDSurvivor]

Why do you give a damn what random other people that you will potentially never know or ever play with again say unsavory things to you over the internet? Yeah, it's not nice but are you bleeding? Missing any limbs? Starving? No, okay then.

[@Sk0rchy]

CS:GO is even harder than TF2 to get into since people don't understand basic stuff like how to shoot properly. That's why there are so many low ranked people.

[@ShadowMudkip123]

RPD If people are cussing at you, you're probably doing something wrong. If you mute everyone then you've essentially made it a single player game since no communication. I think the brutal community eventually breeds great players when they get tired of low tier shit talk and decide they want a change.

[@RPDSurvivor]

yyuiop Or, people could just be dicks. Or people just swear as part of their normal dichotomy. Even if you're doing something right, people are gonna cuss. Boo hoo, these generic words of negative connotation hurt soooooo much.

[@ShadowMudkip123]

RPD I was going to advocate for this, but I thought it wouldn't really support my message. People will always be dicks but I think that you should at least listen to a little bit of criticism and not completely ignore everything negative others say.

[@pandastical9205]

7:45 ‘gets updated every other week and has an active development team’ I’ve never cried so hard

[@LaPoubelle42]

As someone who played tf2 for years before I started playing Paladins, this video is a great analysis of tf2's learning curve as it took me almost 2 years of frequent playing to become actually good at maybe 3-4 of the characters.

[@joe579003]

Tf2 to Paladins? Are you on food stamps or something? Ever gonna step up from F2P trash?

[@moviesrobert]

@joe579003 do you recomend $60 trash instead?

[@LaPoubelle42]

joe579003 Thanks for the comment man, but a lot of the best game content ever created was put out there by their creators for the world to enjoy for free. TF2 was made by the legendary creators of Portal, Half Life, Counterstrike, Left 4 Dead, but suddenly because TF2 is free to play it is trash? Paladins was made by a much younger company who made SMITE and Global Agenda, but spend just 10 minutes in the game on high quality graphics and you will see the work they did on the game despite it being free to play. The price of a game doesn't necessarily indicate the effort put into making it, especially when you consider that addicting FPS's like these are still in many ways monotized (hats and such in TF2, skins in paladins) and with Paladins now hitting over 5 million players, Hi-Rez is making plenty of money to spend in improving their game to sustain this following. If Overwatch is your game then great, I have been a huge fan of Blizzard for well over a decade and they have done a great job with the game. Paladins just appeals a lot more to me, and it was certainly more readily available. Now I am hooked on the game and a few games of Overwatch weren't enough to convince me that it is worth spending the money on vs. just getting some sweet skins in Paladins. Cheers!

[@BlinkLed]

Yes, because all free games are trash. Oh wait, except Cave Story, Treasure Adventure Game, Hero Core, Iji, The Chzo Mythos, Submachine, An Untitled Story, Treasure Hunter Man, Hydra Castle Labyrinth, La-Mulana, and about a hundred others. Seriously I've played games for free that were better than games I payed $60 for.

[@RadiationRat]

lol paladins? thats a shitty version of overwatch (I've played both)

[@TheMemeSheriff]

Okay so I know tf2 has a huge learning curve (I noticed when trying to teach my friends) but when I was a noob, I never found myself angry at the learning curve, hell I was having a blast playing every class, unlocking every weapon, and finding out all the skills. One of my favorite things is being a better player, from the very beginning I was determined to be the best pyro I could be. And becoming a better pyro has been one of my most dearest gaming moments. Tl;dr life doesn't have a fucking Manuel and neither does this game, do what everyone else does and learn like a good boy like I did.

[@TheMemeSheriff]

That's one of TF2s biggest strengths imo, it's a giant sandbox with no hand holding at all. It's all about learning the ropes. So FUNKe I understand what you mean by this video, and I can see why you think this. But you're forgetting why tf2 is so loved and why we have a good community, all the fuckheads who can't stand learning go to Overwatch.

[@Raging-Lion]

OverworldTNTPig this is almost exactly me tbh, I'm don't feel like there's much to learn anyway tbh, knowing very little means I can have fun learning what there's I needed to now. things like the learning curve just seem like things only competitive gamers seem to care about, or people who've been playing a while. the only thing I think tf2 needs is to actually install when I try to play at the library, I hate getting that corrupt file error message >:v

[@Raging-Lion]

also, I love how people apparently forgot that there's this thing called Google for things they now nothing about :v also KZbin, the thing this video is on.....v:

[@jaghn4703]

TF2 have one of the world's best filter against people with no game sense, rage-affiliated personality, and lack of interest to learn - which is its skill ceiling. But we can all agree that at the moment, TF2 needs a population boost, else it will gradually 'die' to the point where no one plays it anymore. We don't want that, do we?

[@dream8461]

OverworldTNTPig I think it's more about people seeing it as somewhat of a chore when a game has too many things to learn. Some people just want to hop into a new game after a tiring day, and can't be bothered to sit down and look up how things work. Sadly, easy to learn games such as the COD franchise, are one of the most popular, due to fun gameplay and it's really easy to pick up.