Who Wins In A Gun Fight? Competition vs Tactical Shooters

Competitive shooters say one thing, tactical shooters say another. Rob Leatham breaks down both sides of the conversation and explains why its possible that both sides are wrong. He makes a lot of valid points in this video. Please watch it thoroughly and several times...then we'll surely see you in the comments section.
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[@jeffstage3670]

"However, I doubt most people would want to get into a gun fight with me."........Mic drop!

[@da.reverend]

Jeff Stage Word.

[@FrankCastle187]

For fucking real

[@Timeshifter32]

Rob would just flinch and kill 5 people..lol

[@seanmcmillan3455]

When you’re the GOAT, you’re the GOAT and you know it

[@Me-hv9fk]

Any twat can shoot paper. A competition shooter is not a tactical shooter. Lots of people cannot or will not shoot photo real targets - what chance a real person.

[@leroyjenkins4811]

This is why I have so much respect for Rob Leatham. He understands that there has to be a balance between both the tactical side and the gaming side. He throughly understands the strengths and weaknesses of both. He's telling you to know which end of the spectrum you're on and train accordingly. Be a well rounded shooter and learn all you can from both sides. If you don't know the fundamentals, you won't do well in either.

[@captjim007]

I saw Rob about 25-30 years ago at a IPSC match and he was unbelievable, nobody else was even close to him. Probably only a handful of people on earth are at his level.

[@wessonsmithjr.6257]

The most essential skill in a tactical situation is situational awareness.

[@mcouture8169]

While I agree to a degree, the risk assessment performed before we ever find ourselves in a tactical situation allows us to not only better predict and understand the situation in which we find ourselves, but also to possess the training and tools that are necessary in order to handle/survive that situation.

[@Bond1900James]

I've become an IPSC SHOOTER to improve my defensive shooting. Since I did that, I've shot targets from unusual positions, as fast as I can, with accuracy, aware of my reloading needs... So, my defensive shooting is at another level.... Huge hug 🤗 for you RL

[@frankedgar6694]

In my experience, you ability to master your emotions, fire aimed shots that kill the enemy and to be willing to die doing so makes all the difference.

[@michellebrooks3512]

Hard to explain the combat mindset isn't it?

[@jaredsterry]

This is why simunitions is important. It's critical to train under a hormonally induced heart rate (stress). Everything is completely different under stress. and not just once or twice. Keep doing different scenarios and your ability to operate under stress will become better and better. The point is not to be afraid to keep pushing yourself and don't stop learning.

[@sempre_avanti_01]

Great analysis, thank you. I always liked the wild west's Bat Masterson's three rules of winning a gunfight. 3rd in importance is speed, 2nd in importance is accuracy, but the most important is the gunfighters' deliberation to pull the trigger under stress.

[@ryvrdrgn15]

It was once said that you don't need to be faster or stronger than someone to kill them. All you need is the intent to kill.

[@BucketWheat]

Yes, the INTENT and WILL to kill MUST be there... BUT if you are not ALSO Faster and Stronger then YOU might get killed before you have the CHANCE to carry out your "intent"... As is also often said... the person who comes in second is the first loser... And in a survival situation/gunfight the second fastest may never even get an opportunity...

[@FieldShunt]

Sorry, but: the point of armed or unarmed self-defense is never to kill. Never. To do so in a non-military situation is a crime. The intent is to stop. The fact that the miscreant might die as a result of your use of lethal force is an unfortunate side effect, not the intention, not if you are law-abiding.

[@jussimakarussi]

FieldShunt I think what they mean is that if you're not fully committed to potentially killing someone to stop the threat, you might hesitate and never get a second chance. The intent to fire at the most vital parts to EFFECTIVELY stop the threat must be there.

[@BucketWheat]

As we were trained in the Marines...fire at the "center of mass" ... Taking the time to "aim for smaller targets" -- on a moving person -- will be a MISS in almost every case, when under the Stress of the situation. [Also you must REALIZE that a person who gets shot, or stabbed, etc. does NOT just instantly STOP and Fall Down! Your muscles and blood stream has oxygen and 'energy' already available! Even if you shoot someone in the Heart, they may be able to continue attacking you for up to about 45 seconds! Unless you hit them in the BRAIN or Spinal Column to "shut down the control center" they may keep attacking you! People who have been shot multiple times, and turn and run away, will often run a block ot 2 down the road, or more, before finally collapsing. Police Officers have shot an attacker 6 or more times, as STILL got stabbed by the assailant!] It sounds horrible to 98% of the population...but in that situation and moment you MUST "De-Humanize" the other person simply as an 'object' [ like a 'robot' or something ] that is about to KILL YOU! And if you have ANY desire to return home to your Family -- or to PROTECT your Family while under attack(!!) -- you MUST be mentally ready to PULL the Trigger!

[@philrab]

I wouldn't want to get into a gunfight with anyone. Standing in front of a man shooting at you is a good way to get perforated. Best way to win a fight is to avoid it. But, neither tacticool training nor playing a game can teach the warrior mindset necessary to survive a violent encounter.

[@Brennan009]

Or can it?

the only thing that can imo is actual combat experience

[@EvolvinEvo]

how about simmunitions, force on force training offered by some tactical shooting instructors?

it's quite similar, but in the end it's kinda like playing airsoft... from moment 0, you know you're not gonna die/get seriously injured, so yes, it might help since it's as close as possible, but in the end I guess there is nothing like real combat experience.

[@youtuberschannel12]

Well that's the best way you can do it. To get as close as possible to real life for training. Cause in real life you don't have the reset button.

[@BucketWheat]

My "Philosophy" has always been that EVERYTHING I can add to my knowledge about something is better than not knowing it! (Providing it has been proven to be correct and effective, of course.) As a former College Athletic Trainer, I constantly used skills and drills from other sports or from 'the gym' to actually improve performance "In the Game"... The Great NFL Receiver Lynn Swann used to study BALLET during the off season to improve his 'leaping' abilities and body control in mid air! (-;

[@JonasRosenven]

Great points. Something that many people will totally ignore in these hypothetical scenarios is that in a real life or death situation things like fear and adrenalin will have a huge impact on a shooter's performance.

[@defconsupply3990]

Not if you train correctly and enough. You will default to your training level. If that level is high you will perform at a high level. If you phone in your training and don't take it serious you will default to this low level. Fear and adrenaline are often the aftermath of the fight not the definition of the fight

[@defconsupply3990]

@@JonasRosenven My reaction the first time was tunnel vision, slow motion and heightened hearing, Last time it was execution of a perfect presentation while moving to cover and no conscious recollection of making presentation or of movement to cover. Course there was 30 years between the first incident and the last. Plus six trips to Gunsite Academy

[@clonetk1559]

Im a"tactical" guy and I would put money on the competition shooter. They probably have a ridiculous round count.

[@ExtremeUnction1988]

Yeah some of those guys are in the millions.

[@trottheblackdog]

@@ExtremeUnction1988 They are driving the ammo shortage, believe that.

[@emersonbolen784]

Very well said and I would add that my former unit brought in pro shooters like Rob to teach us how to be better, faster shooters, and then we applied that to tactical shooting.

[@granitejeepc3651]

Jim Cirillo credited his both competition and hunting to being a good base for winning gun fights. A key for the gunfighter is to use your carry/duty rig and gun and regular street/duty clothes including shoes in the competition. Not race gun with sneakers.

[@112steinway]

This sounds like a debate that crosses into a lot of martial arts and combat sports. There are definite differences between fighting styles that are designed for competition vs fighting styles designed for actual combat. A combat style like ju jitsu will encourage people to fight dirty and go for squishy targets like the eyes and groin while it's sport form of judo has rules, banned moves, and encourages people to take actions where they gain the highest score. Both are good to learn, but both have wildly different goals.

[@Me-hv9fk]

Best comment on here. Sport is sport. Self defence can be life or death. Combat handgunning is way different from paper punching like they do in competitions!!!! Greats like the late Chuck Taylor were the people to learn from. And YES, I have met Rob.

[@Dcm193]

@@Me-hv9fk force on force is the gun worlds equivalent of MMA . It weeds out the bullshit.

[@DrTech-pw2cu]

Yes, it's a balance. I have beat guys who can shoot better scores than I can in a head to head timed steel plate or bowling pin match. Because of the stress or pressure factor. So attitude and mindset plays a part.

[@FieldShunt]

To explain to those unaware, the reason for the negative comments about the company Springfield Armory has to do with a recent bill in the Illinois Legislature that advanced from the Senate to the House with the apparent acquiescence of Springfield Armory (and Rock River Arms). Those two companies had a lobbying outfit that it seems opposed the bill previously and then, after cutting a deal with Senate leadership, they removed their opposition and the bill passed out of the Senate. The problem with the bill itself is that it establishes an extreme licensing scheme on firearm "dealers" and manufacturers; but the amended version excluded SA and RRA from the requirements. There is much more wrong with the bill SB1657 but suffice to say, these companies' lobbyist removing their publicly-recorded opposition is thought to have greased the way for the passage of the bill. Both companies vehemently deny having struck the deal as described. There is a lot of controversy about who did what when and who knew what when, and the picture is not clear to many people still. But Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms are in the process of working to repair their reputations with Illinois gun rights people.

[@spoonman73]

Thanks for passing along the info. These manufacturers should know they can't get away with this kind of shit as the gun community is a well informed and highly principled group of people.

[@jeremypaluck4246]

I know one thing, as a hunter and sport shooter, if you put me 500 yards from my competitor, or 20 yards, if I have my choice of firearm vs their's, my money is on myself lol

[@roundrock63]

I think I have a VHS tape from the early 80's that Rob made. Still as informative as ever.

[@mastermaker666]

The only real tactical problem with being a 'gamesman' is habituation, when you for whatever reason stop thinking(which happens to the best if things happen fast enough/unexpected enough and makes you stressed enough) then you will fall back on what you are used to doing and what you have habituated yourself to doing. The only but also largest problem with gamesmanship in a real-life situation is exposure/speed as it will habituate you to indiscriminately exposing yourself to get the shot, be it by inadequate use of cover or by running/moving/fast-fast-fast behavior where as anyone who has been shot at will tell you that you get very slow and very cautious real fast when you have something that can kill you coming in your direction...

[@robertoblanco4410]

Thomas Maker great point! When stressed you can go on auto pilot. An example, is training with 2 shoots to body one to the head. The training does not translate perfectly into real world stats on shootings. However, agencies who for years trained like this saw a reduction in the number of rounds officers fired, versus the “ spray and pray” shootings that were typical in the late 80’s early 90’s before range tactics changed.

[@MAYH3M0NE]

Words of wisdom. We need more knowledge from this man.

[@thinman8621]

Wisdom from the GOAT, particularly the part about his having doubt that most people would care to get in a fight with him. Probably better to call in air support.

[@swing2gether]

I'd like to see Rob in some force on force classes. See how he fairs out when the targets are shooting back

[@mikesiley4897]

screw your feelings I'm a competition shooter and have done force on force. The advantage is I have the gun stuff down, my shots hit and I'm generally faster. That frees me up to focus on everything else. It's not like there's magic tactics that only those christened as LE can learn. The tactics are generally easy to learn it's the gun stuff and combatives that take longer to master.

[@tomo.2635]

Force on force is still a game. You know you’re not going to die. Big difference when your life is on the line.

[@NotElmerKeith1]

I have been following Leatham since the early 90's -I've always respected him. I agree with all he said here. Tactical guys really have to recognize that someone like Leatham can headshoot 6 targets in less time than it takes to say, "drop the gun." Recognize that the speed that is learned on the gaming side is very important, just part of the winning package. There is a good bit of cross over between the two disciplines and they can compliment each other well. Keep in mind the next time someone suggests a 3-gun guy would be worthless in battle------ how well would Mike Tyson do in a bar fight? Just because Tyson spends (or spent) his time training for a sport doesn't mean he wouldn't do OK in the real world, right?

[@rangefast993]

I am both. 10 year military veteran (Infantry & Special Operations) and trained under Frank Proctor as well. Civilian competition has CLEARLY influenced military shooters just ask the Tier 1 guys who discovered it and brought competition skills to military shooting. Competition skills are absolutely applicable to tactical shooting..if you're military, go compete. If you're a civ maybe try defensive courses, shoot house courses etc, from reputable schools with instructors who shoot both.

[@karlalbright2733]

There is a big difference between shooting at a target and a human being, ask anyone who has ever been at a two way rifle range. Many people will hesitate to shoot at a human which could cost them their life

[@ThePoorBoy]

Who wins in a gun fight? The person who doesn't get shot.

[@plasticapple704]

Rob was awesome way back in the 80's when I shot USPSA and he's still awesome today.

[@TheCharleseye]

"Who Wins In A Gun Fight?" Whoever has the faster ambulance.

[@j.m.youngquist419]

Thanks for the great information Rob!

[@Klyce]

Hahaha I love that ending.

[@joeyoung3319]

"... However, I DOUBT most people would want to get into a gun fight with me." 💪😎 😂😂😂

[@snowhack8903]

I think learning both is better than learning one over the other. Besides why do we lift weights to get strong? It's not like we're preparing to find weight bars and plates that need to be moved up and down a bunch of times then put away neatly while walking around our daily lives.

[@matthewhoang]

Can you guys set up gamesman vs tactician in a force on force? Simunitions? I can definitely see that being up the Funker Tactical channel's alley.

[@HonestOutlawReviews]

I would also really like to see that!!!

[@iamthelizardking6239]

John McPhee or pat macnamara vs a competition shooter. Assassin vs gamesman

[@robertoblanco4410]

First rule of a gun fight, survive. I wouldn’t want to get in a gun fight with you or anyone for that matter. I try avoiding gun fights through tactics. That said I agree can’t avoid a gun fight then your skill set with the weapon your using is an important aspect in a combat shooting. However, I say 80% of surviving a gun fight is tactics utilized pre engagement along with those utilized during the fight, only 20% or so is the technical skill set with the weapon. Take out military engagements, and focus on law enforcement and private citizen gun fights that can be studied on videos we have access to. You will find the officer and citizens who win the gun battles employing superior tactics pre fight and during the gun battle versus the bad guy. Conversely, watch videos of officers being killed, or seriously wounded in gun fights. You will see obvious poor tactics that lead to their demise, I imagine some of those officers were very good shots on the range. Great channel, keep the videos coming!

[@1spitkitty]

I love the ending' As all of the video game boys are telling themselves that they could kick his ass in a gunfight 🤣🤣🤣

[@r.mercado9737]

As a combat tactician, why not learn both? Also, in our mind eye, focusing by placing ourselves in many continuous real life events.

[@MrTierhog774]

Rob cuts straight to it. Good insight. Thanks for the advice.

[@stayvigilant7856]

I'd take the military or good law enforcement officer in a gun fight bc they train in those tactics they know where to be they live it everyday where the competition shooter maybe a better shot but does not ever have bullets flying his way and does not train in tactical situations. But need both to survive!

[@revolvertaco7493]

I'd take the competition shooter. Cause they typically have A LOT more training and experience than most cops or even military do these days.

[@echodelta4250]

@@revolvertaco7493 if there's a platoon of rangers vs a platoon of competition shooters that will fight in the jungle I will pick the rangers.

[@revolvertaco7493]

@@echodelta4250 those are rangers. Not your typical soldier or law enforcement.

[@echodelta4250]

@@revolvertaco7493 I will consider competition shooters elite because they are trained a lot compared to beginners. A typical soldier will win against an amateur shooter who just got the basics.

[@revolvertaco7493]

@@echodelta4250 well. Yeah. I mean any training is better than none. That's obvious.

[@martincurtis2257]

Thanks for cutting to the chase, not making small talk in the beginning.

[@mosin9105]

No truer words were ever spoken, especially the last few!

[@bigracer3867]

great video sir

[@walt8609]

that is some great points. I know both types. the range i shoot at. is open to the public but on private land. I meet people from hundreds of miles away. some times there is no one there,. sometimes there will be 80 people from far away for the day. I really make it a point to shoot when I know the place is packed and 40/ 50 people are shooting everything from pistols to full auto all at the same time. anyone can take their time, when it's nice evening and quiet,. relax and hit the target. it's much different when all hell is breaking loose around you

[@757optim]

So Rob decides to end with an enormous understatement. LOL.

[@iscarian]

Love the info!! Rob is spot on! Now to whoever is filming for Funker Tactical...STOP with the shaky cam!!! I do not understand why people think this is a legitimate filming technique?!?!

[@on2wheels378]

Winner? Ammunition companies.

[@LVLouisCyphre]

I greatly agree with you on the mindset between a competition and defensive tactical shooter which include civilian CCW license/permit holders, law enforcement officers and military. The well balanced shooter is the right balance of both mindsets.

[@defconsupply3990]

This is why in defensive shooting force on force training is so valuable

[@pfrancis7483]

Great explanation!

[@tom_olofsson]

This so well stated that I no longer argue the point. I now send people to watch this video.

[@randydavis7718]

As a former cop and continuing gun enthusiasts. ..Great Video and absolutely correct.

[@redlegfa8979]

I concur, I would not like to get in a gun fight with Mr. Leatham.

[@donaldmccombs5566]

RedlegFA I wouldn't mind a try.

[@donaldmccombs5566]

divinekamikazee I don't know about him, but one thing I learned in my time in the army shooting a person is completely different the shooting a target. I have shot both, I have seen men miss on purpose, and everyone freezes the first time they are actively engaged by an outside threat.

[@donaldmccombs5566]

divinekamikazee alright chief

[@brandonwill2977]

RedlegFA he most likely cant shoot under fire..bullets being shot at you changes everything

[@shinobi-no-bueno]

RedlegFA idk his background but not everyone can handle the two way range

[@karlmarz5236]

DIVERSITY, Love to hear from Rob! He's 1 of the GREAT'S! 👍

[@AltonRowell-gb1lb]

I agree with Rob. He has some great points. It gets back to the basics of learning to crawl before you walk. learning to be safe with removing your firearm from your holster and putting it back in. Target shooting is fun but it's different than combat shooting. I just recently recently purchase a new firearm it's Single Action double action. I'm going to practice with it roughly a hundred times a day drawing and squeezing the trigger in double action mode to strengthen my trigger and to gain more trigger control. after about 1000 repetitions I'm then going to start adding some live-fire shooting still not trying to be accurate yet. I would rather be safe than sorry. I've seen some bullet wounds on the internet and they are not very pleasant to see.

[@VSO_Gun_Channel]

Brain is ALWAYS on record

[@jackbeckman7028]

Pretty much sums it up. Too many folks try to make it all one thing: shooting, and don't understand the key differences as explained here.

[@lkae4]

Dudes who have seen real combat don't freeze up when it hits the fan. Competition shooters could. I know who I'd trust in that situation.

[@trottheblackdog]

You might be surprised. Muscle memory counts for a lot.

[@lkae4]

TobyTheBlackDog The "oh s----, I just got shot at" factor counts for quite a bit too

[@davejan744]

K, Yes is does! Adrenalin levels skyrocket instantly, fight or flight jacks 100000% & kill them before they kill me goes into instant overdrive. 2 tours in Nam bud! Instant shoot back or die. Running dosent work because nobody can outrun a bullett & your back cant engage your enemy.

[@KeyboardWarrior101st]

TobyTheBlackDog Their muscle memory is shooting a stationary target after a beep not to move, shoot and destory a enemy after hearing whistle's and crack's from being shot at. I don't understand why people can't just accept the difference.

[@trottheblackdog]

There is a difference.. but most competition shooting is done on the move, and sometimes against moving targets.

[@ncshpfox]

Number one rule to winning a gun fight. Be the firstist with the mostist. Haha. Had an instructor that used to say that all the time. Great video.

[@thebonesaw..4634]

It's a similar point with martial arts. With some styles, we train and train and train doing specific maneuvers that have more to do with the art than with what is practical in a fight. Sure, it would look cool in a movie, but there's hardly anything in there that you'd see in an actual fight (case in point: people don't continue holding their arm out, after throwing a punch, long enough for me to grab hold of it and perform a counter move against it). This had a lot to do with me moving to Kenpo (it contains far more practical, real world situations). But, even before I did so... we still sparred at the end of every training session (where all of the flashy stuff strangely disappeared). And, even though there's virtually none of those fancy moves in there, you (the 95% of people who've never been in any kind of fight) probably don't want to get into a fight with anyone who has had training.

[@flposdetail]

Agreed. Do not get into a gun fight with "The Great One." Rob has taught hundreds if not thousands of SMU dudes through the years.

[@kaiblackout6216]

Well said! I have have been told that my USPSA experience was useless! I disagree as Rob does.

[@bushcraftdan6969]

great advice

[@Tiebox]

I disagree... In a real world environment where you have to equally proficient shooters "Even if the competition shooter was the better shot" the real world operator has a huge stress advantage and has a much better understanding of cover vs concealment etc. The biggest advantage being that someone military is much less likely to get tunnel vision "Panic mode" or "In the black mode in color code readiness" and will very likely be the more aggressive shooter. Most of it would boil down to who uses their cover the best / knowing when to move or not to move position etc.

[@trottheblackdog]

That's what Rob said

[@geezerp1982]

why dont you then demand that ccw gets banned now then ! in fact just demand ban ban ban ban fucking ban and state i love the central government will all my heart and will bend right over of them you make me sick

[@AmbGun]

I envy RL's skills and his awareness of the differences between a martial art and gun fighting. I would love to combine his gun handling with ambidextrous use of cover.

[@DCBCortes]

How to traverse perfect pocketing! Thanks.

[@AlexCausey]

No one knows how they will react until someone points gun at you with intent to kill. How you respond with your situation awareness and utilize your training will determine whether you survive or not. Let's just say I've been there done that..! Good luck with however you decide to deal with the confrontation..!

[@BCmachine]

Learn both. Knowledge is power

[@Klyce]

Hahaha I love that last line.

[@shinobi-no-bueno]

Idea: a "reality based" competition with Sim rounds flying from the targets

[@John_Morrison]

I saw Rob shoot years ago. If anyone were to get in a gunfight with him I hope their next of kin is well provided for, the man is a machine!

[@Professionalpatternrecognizer]

More Rob Leatham please

[@staycalm.]

Circumstances are everything i think john on asp has said first to put shots on target wins generally so whoever ends the threat competition shooter could win a gunfight and vise versa pending on factors and circumstances

[@eenormus1688]

Last point is the ONLY point! Niiiiiice!!

[@rangefast993]

Wouldn't want to get into a gunfight with me, nice!

[@stephenhightowers5993]

I sure won't get in a gun fight with Mr. Leatham😬😵

[@davidrouse7941]

Many people behave alot different when faced with possible Death or severe PAIN. Its gunna HURT !

[@rictusgrim]

So, key things? Competition takeaways: manipulation proficiency and drawstroke improvement. Tactical: force-on-force and stress inoculation.

[@user-cd2cz3tv3u]

That's great that you're a competition shooter...but you said it yourself 'we're not in a real life situation, we're at the range' (not an exact quote). My question is, whether it be military/police, or some kind of gang war like on video games lol, which approach to fire your weapon is most effective when you are in a danger situation (im obvs guessing military style "tactical shooting" due to the fact they are shooting generally side-faced (less of a target to be shot at). Also I respect you guys who can take an assault rifle/pistol/PDW, i.e HK MP7, but although you competition shooters are dealing with the stress of hitting targets & speed...like you said it's just a range at the end of the day; & im sure any shooter in a competition (trying to win a trophy), is not nearly under the same stress ass US Marines overseas in a country where you dont know the land, and when you do come across enemy fire, im sure live AK-47 rounds flying within feet of you is much more stressful than winning a competition..seeing how that is a matter of life & death, & I know if I was were placed in a miliary or even police shoot-out situation; even though from a squared up stance (giving the enemy a large target), I would much rather take the extra few seconds & try to make my body as small of target & stand in shoulder width, side face (as much as possible while maintaining accuracy, since it is not a race, and make myself a smaller target). My question remains, for anyone who may find themselves exchanging fire with a war enemy or an armed home intruder, would you still recommend shooting with your body sqaure to the enemy, making yourself a larger target rather than if you stood in a military/side face stance (lowering the danger of being shot, since you're no longer standing sqaured up to your enemy. After all, most gun owners buy guns either to hunt, self/home protection, or they just plain like target shooting..but im asking if your squared off stance to the enemy is smart, people learn to adapt & I believe in a combat situation that you would want to make yourself as small of a target as possible. I believe the US military still uses M4A1 Carbines & HK 416s & FN SCAR's. Seems like if we're not playing 'shoot the beer can', a tactical/sideface stance may save your life in a combat situation, smaller the target, harder to hit..& im sure the US Military has had much more training than these guys spraying their Ak-47s & RPGs. They never spent years learning how to work as a team, be aware of your surroundings, spend countless hours on the range. They may not be as fast or score as many points as a competition shooter, but id bet they walk away alive at the the end of the day.

[@sdog74]

Mic drop at the end!

[@anticwar]

Funker Tactical - Fight Training Videos Is there a technique to fight someone off when you're surrounded?

[@erinfogerty3843]

Okay, as a shooter with sixteen years of exp with a small group of firearms (Beretta M-9, 96, PX4 compact, and px4 fs). While it really doesn't matter what you use, so long as one is comfortable, and competently proficient with it. To that, (yay me), I can hit a grouping the size of a cigarette pack at 20ft. Point is, this means less than nothing in the practical sense of tactics. To that extent, what would you recommend for the tactical side of training?

[@azcop2]

Best thing to survive a tactical situation is not speed or accuracy, it’s wearing body armor. Wearing body armor saves lives. Those who are placed in tactical situations often are reacting to the unknown and often have little time to react. Although most cops don’t shoot as well as completion shooters and most competition shooters never have to respond to a armed robbery or make a traffic stop. Law enforcement shooting and competition shooting require completely different skill sets, speed and accuracy have some but very little overlap.

[@josephshelfo9177]

I found out that this system of point and shoot works for me. I only eyeball the front site, and shoot at least 10 rounds as fast as I can, all rounds are within a 6" dia. target

[@MrAngryCanadian]

Your end comment reminds my of a comment I read in a forum talking about snipe's rifles and calibers... *commenter on .223/5.55* "I have never considered the .223/5.56 NATO round as a sniper caliber in anyway, however if I was to be shot in the head by one I am sure I would change my mind." People say I am not a great shoot yet I can hit a gopher at almost 50 yards iron sight every time. Any of my targets in speed drills I can land all my shots with a .45 ACP in centre mass. The real question is will the other guy find me to shoot me? And as you have said before learning to not move the gun when depressing the trigger is the most important part.

[@davejan744]

First rule in a gunfight, "Dont get SHOT". Use any/best cover if avaliable. KNOW your weapon & where its gonna hit by "feel". And PRACTICE, PRACTICE, PRACTICE til its automatic in a "no time to think it out" situation. EXACT shot placement in a combat situation dosent mean squat. Anywhere in the 12 inch center mass hit zone is enough to stop them from killing YOU. Easy to do an EXACT follow up once hostile is neutralized enough to keep them down. Hence, military "triple tap"".

[@damansbedi]

So the answer is tactical is better as long as you also focus on improving your shots

[@cpvsgvmnt2116]

Do both as both is required

[@chuxtuff]

Who wins in a gun fight? Whomever draws and shoots first. And an old quick-draw artist was the one who said that...

[@anthonypine7357]

Experience has taught me that you will fight the same way you train. I would argue that tactical shooters would not do as well in a shooting competition because they are trained to be combat effective when they lay down rounds. Combat effective is not 10 rounds in a 3 inch area from 15 feet. It is 10 rounds in a 10 inch area (mid Torso = Target) which is where almost all the vital organ systems are located in a human being. Conversely, Mr. Latham is right when he says he would change to tactical in a gunfight because good against targets is one thing and good against the living quite another.

[@Me-hv9fk]

Rob is talking crap. He will default to do what he does best.

[@oldcop18]

While I agree w/everything you say, a big art of winning is having a willing-to-do-anything attitude. I survived three armed-deadly encounters during my 30 years when we qualified only twice a year. My attitude was I was going home to my wife & kids at the end of my shift, and I was willing to do anything to make that happen.

[@aubreybrown9645]

love it..

[@showoffyoureverydaycarry4016]

To me, there is so much overlap between the two, and in the areas that are different, I think most people will react accordingly. An example, when I do dry fire practice, I return my pistol (CZ PCR) to half cock after each shot. I've never done that 'habitually' in a match. Just my 2 cents...

[@citic101]

what one combat gun book should i buy ?

[@sanguisdominus]

Tactical - you have to see what you're shooting at before you can hit it.

[@markmccarty727]

You mean how good are you when you can here ur heart beating in ur ears. That's real, u can!

[@johnlee7699]

Just don't bring a 🔪 🤣

[@douglasmacarthur8482]

Shooting accurately are definitely helpful, however competitive shooters generally don't know much about where to position himself in a real fight.

[@captainnobody9892]

Tunking "Factical... Cheers

[@Middlestepofficial]

From my experience from the deserts, the worst nightmare actually comes from those who DON'T know how to shoot. For some unknown reason they always hit when you least expect and when it shouldn't happen!

[@ColoradoShooterInstruction]

Tactics, speed and accuracy, a blend of the three is what it takes.

[@mynameislegion7144]

Or 'Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas'.

[@wntu4]

Just watched a cop who had a taser drawn and pointed at perp get shot in the neck. Perp drew from his pocket, the officer had no time to respond. Lesson: He who fires first probably wins.