STAR TREK: TNG, Genesis, S7x19, GALLIFREY GALS GET WARPED

"Did the crew all turn into animals??" Kat asks, slightly kidding...
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[@ilthok]

I know the concept is ludicrous, but this is one of my favorite episodes of the series. It's not high brow, but I love it when sci fi manages to take a hard left from reality. It was also a chance for the makeup team to really show off, as they got to perform extensive work on characters that get minimal amounts of makeup.

[@weray7605]

If Crusher can love a Space Ghost then Picard can turn into a Lemur!

[@LaKyMarEntertainment]

If you notice, Picard’s fish turned into a jellyfish

[@k1productions87]

oh holy crap, I never thought to look at that

[@VonPatzy]

Spot’s c plot is my favorite part of this episode. Mostly because spot has always been referred to with he / him pronouns and has kittens - BUT ALSO - because this opens up the idea that even in a spaceship with personal quarters cats can figure out how to get mysteriously knocked up while also being home in time for their robot daddy to give replicated feline supplement.

[@TheGoauldApophis]

Spot stole Crusher's candle.

[@chrissonofpear1384]

@@TheGoauldApophis 'Dinnae light that candle!'

[@evrbody]

@@chrissonofpear1384 And doont goo in the hoose!

[@jerodast]

See, TNG missed a big opportunity to just have cats wandering the corridors at random times, which would've justified this whole pregnancy thing so much more. Also, I wonder what the spay/neuter policy is here. I'm sure in addition to solving poverty disease and prejudice, the Federation has solved animal welfare, but wouldn't taking away their reproductive freedom infringe on their animal rights just as much as keeping Livingston in a tank?

[@grandpaladin1701]

Dwight Shultz's Reg Barclay is *literally* the most real person character that ever appeared on TNG. He's got flaws like any real person, and it works SO well compared to the "heroes" of the main cast. Love Reg!

[@stevenr6397]

the introduction of 'extra' characters that show up occationally to play significant roles is one of TNG's major improvements, the likes of Barclay, O'Brian and Lwaxana enrich the show so much, making it feel more real and breaking out of the limitations a fixed cast has, it also means you can drop amazing actors in for a random episode

[@jerodast]

I think Geordi is pretty human too. He's not known as like a miracle worker like Scotty (or even O'Brien on DS9), he's just a highly competent, professional engineer, who is also not totally happy in his personal life most of the time.

[@jerodast]

@@stevenr6397 Hey y'all, if you think it's great when a Star Trek show takes extra characters and make them integral to many episodes so it's not bound by the limitations a fixed cast has, have I got a recommendation for you! that I'm not sure I'm supposed to bring up on this channel anymore :P (yeah it's DS9)

[@stevenr6397]

@@jerodast I'm not saying anything, didn't say a word! Jerodast said it not me! - I was only thinking it

[@MichaelJShaffer]

Gates McFadden said she had a blast directing this episode.

[@jerodast]

This must have been. So. Fun. But also funny imagining a 1st time director who loves all the philosophical power of Star Trek and hopes they get a great Picard Speech to shoot, then ends up getting assigned something like this :D

[@terrellkirkman2078]

Spider-Barclay, Spider-Barclay, does whatever a spider can-clay. Spins a web, any size. Has about half a dozen eyes. Look out! Here comes the Spider-Barclay

[@darthken815]

That is Amazing, Spectacular, and Sensational.

[@jerodast]

I don't know why but line 2 is just brilliant to me right now haha. Well done. If we combine this one with "Parallels" we get the Star Trek version of an animated film in theaters right now :)

[@philippschmidt80]

Gabrielle Beaumont was the first woman to direct Star Trek, she did several TNG episodes starting with season 3.

[@JDtuck]

I think they meant to say first female cast member allowed to direct?

[@jerodast]

@@JDtuck That is what Memory Alpha says and I assume is the trivia she slightly misread, yeah. When I heard Paula's statement I thought "woah...that CAN'T be true can it?" so I looked it up. But actually, even though it was slightly off - it's REALLY CLOSE to being true. TNG, DS9, and VOY had like 5% female director ratio. Way less than I would've thought, for what I still think of as a "modern" series because I'm old.

[@sharkdentures3247]

This is SUCH an interesting episode. Converting it from Sci-Fi to a more Horror genre. (Done far better than the one with Crusher's "sex ghost"!) I particularly loved the amazing "physical acting" done by the cast! In the conference room, you see Barclay moving more "arachnid-like". (at least, as much as he can as a humanoid) And you can even see the early stages of a "knuckle dragging monkey" in Nurse Ogawa's movements as well! And they do it in such a way that it is not excessively overt upon initial viewing but is clear / obvious in hindsight. And yeah, McFadden being the director was WHY Dr. Crusher was "taken out" by a poison/ acid spray early in the episode. (So she could focus entirely on being "behind the camera" instead of splitting her attention any more than need be.) Technically Dr. Crusher was only in the very earliest stages of the virus before she was put into suspended animation. (which would have halted her de-evolution) So no, her face wasn't "fixed" by "re-evolving" but by the high-tech medical reconstructive surgery. Personally, I think it would have been BETTER if they had had her with some "high tech" medical patches on her face, or something, at the end. (showing that she is still healing) But they probably didn't want to DEPRIVE the audience of seeing that lovely lady's face any more than they HAD to! lol

[@jerodast]

I would've loved if, unlike Troi making Data a prank cake to forgive him for stabbing her in "Phantasms", Crusher was just REALLY CRANKY at Worf in the denouement and like, 2 more episodes :) Yeah medical patches would've been a good idea but I guess they just felt like "this one was already so bonkers, let's just keep it simple and hit a full reset button" haha.

[@peternolan5501]

The single shot of Picard early in the chase with a full 'Yikes! I'm outta here!' expression is one of the purest Patrick Stewart moments.

[@legostargalactica]

I’ve been looking forward to you guys getting to this episode. One of my personal favorites even though the scientist in me starts twitching with their explanations. Gotta love Predator Worf, Barclays Spider and Amphibian Troi.

[@jerodast]

I did laugh that one of the "made up sounding science" bits they joked about was how Troi's sebaceous glands were releasing pheremones, when that's by far the most realistic thing in the whole episode :) I wonder if _Resident Evil_ blaming T-cells for everything was inspired by this show.

[@oliverschnell5434]

It's not the first episode of Trek directed by a woman. Gabrielle Beaumont directed several TNG episodes (including fantastic outings like "Face of the Enemy" and "Lower Decks").

[@jerodast]

Also "In Purgatory's Shadow", iconic DS9 episode! She's a hero.

[@thebpphantom]

This episode earned its own card in the Star Trek CCG. For more Dwight Shultz please see: ALL of the original 80's A-Team, and select episode of Night Court. He's freaking amazing.

[@jean-paulaudette9246]

Oh, yes. He was easily my favorite, on The A-Team!

[@antoniogonzales1976]

@@jean-paulaudette9246 He was also the voice of the cruel animal trainer in the "Avatar: the Last Airbender" second season episode "Appa's Lost Days".

[@anonymousaccordionist3326]

@@antoniogonzales1976 He also voiced Mung Daal throughout the entire run of the show Chowder, and the recurring villain Dr. Animo in Ben 10.

[@noahrobin1941]

To toss another one on the pile: he was in Babylon5, ep 2x05 (“The Long Dark”)

[@anonymousaccordionist3326]

@@noahrobin1941 I'm watching through SG-1 for the first time and he was in one of the episodes of that as well!

[@richierich398]

You got to remember, they knew this was the last season of TNG. And unfortunately, a lot of the writers had moved over to DS9 before this season came out.. Hence these wild crazy and weird episodes in season 7.

[@Dragonsecho3]

This is one of my favorite episodes. It's like a Halloween special. I'm glad Paula never saw it. The surprise on everyone's face is so worth it. And it's just icing to kind of hint that Worf and Troi are developing a relationship; or are at least thinking of it (they are starting to do dinner together)

[@k1productions87]

Certainly a better Halloween special than "Catspaw" (TOS) lol

[@jerodast]

Mint icing?

[@jerodast]

Apparently this was not a Halloween special, but a Christmas special for the crew - Legendary Makeup Artist Michael Westmore says they worked all the way through the holidays to get it done. (The episode was released in March which surprised me, I didn't realize there was such a long delay after filming.)

[@mattyh2464]

That scene with Beverly examining Worf in sickbay is to this day one of the most chilling scenes I have ever seen ion Star Trek

[@jerodast]

I swear even the first time I saw it I was mentally screaming NO DO NOT OPEN YOUR MOUTH WORF in that scene. So scary.

[@jonathanross149]

We had to take the doctor out early...so that Gate McFadden could concentrate on directing for the 1st time.

[@gluuuuue]

Nahh. Other ep I thought was the possible stupid one was Masks. This one was goofy but still kinda fun. Reconstructive surgery seems fairly sufficiently advanced by this period such as with their various skin and other tissue regeneration tools. And I love Gates directed given her experience with puppetry with the Jim Henson Company.

[@k1productions87]

Masks was fun too. I just wish instead of transforming the Enterprise, they instead went over to the alien archive, and we got to see Picard geeking out over studying an ancient culture, while he would eventually have to integrate himself into the story much as he did in the obviously budget-saving episode.

[@Drawkcabi]

This episode is the "Spock's Brain" equivalent of TOS... an episode that while not good...is a whole lot of campy fun and just as rewatchable as the good episodes. "Sub Rosa" is the equivalent to "And the Children Shall Lead", an episode not just bad but excruciatingly tedious and if watched at all, should only be watched once just to say you did, if you are trying to watch every episode of the series.

[@jpwphoenix1701]

Even though a lot of people have slated this episode, I've always loved it! It's definitely one of the most bizarre and sci-fi episodes, but it's also pretty dark and creepy in places too. As an Arachnophobe, the jumpscare with Spider-Barclay has always creeped me out.

[@daniellanctot6548]

Any episode with Barclay in it is an instant classic! 😁👍

[@jerodast]

I honestly couldn't think what episode anyone might think was "the worst" OTHER than "Sub Rosa", but when I saw someone point out it might've been this one I thought "ohhhh okay I can see how you could get there". I completely disagree of course - this one makes no sense, but in a fun bonkers way. It's just in a totally different dimension than the "good / bad" scale haha.

[@justinp4996]

Honestly this is one of my favorite episodes of the series, just something unique.

[@daniellanctot6548]

Agreed!

[@barkingmonkee]

Same. I remember this ep creeping me out when it first aired.

[@ccthomas]

Fun fact, Dwight Schultz voiced the mean circus trainer in "Appa's Lost Days"

[@pokes404]

Is this episode insanely stupid: Yes. Is this episode boring: Nope. Is this episode tons of fun: Yep!

[@bcn1gh7h4wk]

this episode illustrates that one situation where Nog would be the one to be put in command. .....what's that? you don't know who Nog is? wwww-whe-heh-heh-ehll.... boy am I glad you ASKED!

[@Calzaki]

Interestingly this is only the second silliest star trek story to come from Brannon Braga involving crewmembers evolving/devolving for implausible reasons with facepalming consequences. He went back to this well and he went deeper

[@jonathanross149]

I was surprised to learn that this is a divisive episode.

[@daniellanctot6548]

I certainly hope this isn’t an episode people said was “stupid”: I always loved this episode! It’s imaginative and thought provoking. The make-up team did a bang-up job too.

[@patsk8872]

I'm glad someone liked it 🤣

[@jkhoover]

It's stupid...

[@k1productions87]

@@patsk8872 Many apparently did, myself included. It definitely does not deserve the hate it apparently gets. Star Trek has always had shoddy science. Is it just because they use the horrifying "E" word? I don't know. Was it a great episode? No. Was it thought provoking or real-world relevant? Not really. Was it terrible? Absolutely not. It was fun. ... and that's what I think is lost on most people. They've forgotten how to have fun. Some for risk of looking somehow silly in the eyes of others, so they overcompensate. Others simply derive what they think is enjoyment by identifying and labelling everything they possibly can as "stupid" or (the more common word used these days)"garbage". Nothing is allowed to be just good, or average, or poor anymore. It has to be Excellent, or its garbage. Well I'm sorry, this episode is FAR from garbage, it just happens to not be excellent.

[@rafetizer]

It's definitely stupid, but certainly creative and fairly entertaining.

[@jerodast]

It may or may not be stupid depending on how you say "stupid". Is it "stupid" like Paula says with a breath of apprehension as they're approaching "Sub Rosa"? Not at all. Is it "stupid" while laughing and enjoying yourself? Absolutely yes :)

[@joncombs8372]

I remember liking this episode way back when it aired, it's just dumb fun, but I always wished it had ended with Picard writing to the dead crewman's parents to explain that their son was killed by the head of security but at least he hadn't been turned into a monkey.

[@jerodast]

It seems crazy that could be the only fatality among the crew if the ship just became a freaking zoo for 2 days :/ And naturally I'm sadder about animal-form crew getting killed than the human at the conn getting killed. That guy knew from the start that Starfleet service always entails the risk of early death by prehistoric Klingator monster, but the poor innocent lemur that Ensign Goldie turned into had no idea what was going on :( Okay now I've made myself genuinely sad I'll go now.

[@Ireland914]

I LOVE this episode. It's actually one of my favourite TNG shows.

[@Jailem]

In one episode Troi "dreams" of a relationship with Worf, the very next episode some part of Worf thinks Troi is his mate. It may not have happened, but someone was thinking about it.

[@jerodast]

I mean it was explicitly implied in "Parallels" that Worf was thinking in that direction and Troi was open to it; these bits are continuing in that vein. I think it's pretty clear Worf is like, "friend dating" Troi at this point, having meals with her more often etc even if they aren't "official" yet.

[@josefschiltz2192]

The correct term for this would be 'Iatrogenically Induced Barclay's Protomorphosis Syndrome ' as it was thanks to Dr Crusher! Um. Yes. This is that other episode. Actually it got loads of awards for make-up design.

[@jerodast]

For obvious reasons :) Michael Westmore says they just worked straight through the holidays to do this one.

[@scgreek1114]

This totally has the feel of an S1 episode.

[@mconnaghan]

Another quality cat genesis video!

[@Laurie473]

Loved it ! You Gals had so much fun ! 🙂 Yeah, it's a bonkers script.., but what I love about it is that the Actors got a chance to play with character & personality. If you watch it back a 2nd time, you can really see the characteristics of the 'de-evolved' life-forms that the each of the crew were becoming. Kat remember back to acting classes 101, the exercises where you have to 'personify' an animal a.k.a. 'Charade' it for the class. This show was that for me.... Oooh.., & also ponder this... Gates Mcfadden.. Choreographer & Theatre set/stage design, & her Jim Henson production connections... hell yes - this was right in her 'wheel-house' for ST: TNG Directorial Debut, & by all accounts she had a BLAST ! with the material, as you can see on screen. Closing note : Dwight Shultz - always good, so great at Character commitment, possibly as good as Patrick Stewart. If you ever get to see him in the Role of Captain "Howling Mad" Murdock on the 1980s action series The A-Team, HE'S JUST AS GOOD 😍 ps. I live at the top of Barclay Avenue, not even joking... lol p.p.s here's a lil segway treat - open.spotify.com/show/49rD3nIYb7uHTW34Sd3ZGn?si=e47ac9970f6f4ad3

[@markfuston2714]

Barclay literally feels like the most real person in this show..haha, like, I love that character so much...my favorite.

[@empirejeff]

Katrina wanted another Barclay episode.

[@mikemeggison5084]

Lotta things they sweep under the rug. Like, how many other people died? Did anyone eat their kids? Were the kids safely sealed up in a cargo hold before the shit went down? Lot of things had to happen for it to be all "all back to normal! Lalalala!".

[@jerodast]

This is one of so many episodes where you just need to forget that they cart around kids and civilians to every mission haha.

[@phantom6]

Yeah, lot of "Handwavium" in this episode. lol

[@Pandaemoni]

Dwight Schultz as Barclay hovering and crawling around the Observation Lounge (6:10) was really good foreshadowing which I loved. (Even though humans didn't evolve from arachnids, so it's not clear how he'd have "de-evolved" into one.)

[@phantom6]

They were working off of the theory that all human life is descended from one core creature so the genetic coding is there, just "junk".

[@rafetizer]

Bonkers does seem to be the most appropriate

[@nickscholz6559]

One of my favorite Trek episodes.

[@bemasaberwyn55]

This episode is season 1 levels of batshit. And I LOVE IT. Seriously Paula how do you not remember this episode

[@jerodast]

HOW. DID. YOU. NOT. REMEMBER THIS. 🤣🤣 Amazing one to watch BOTH of them seeing for the "first time".

[@gold-waffles]

JFC I was not paying attention and your jump scare gave me a heart attack 😅

[@Siddh4rtha]

Everyone always says Genesis is stupid, but I love it. Definitely one of my favs! 😂

[@ThanatoselNyx]

It can be both stupid and loveable

[@daniellanctot6548]

I love it too.

[@k1productions87]

@@ThanatoselNyx The problem is, most people these days will only equate stupid with terrible. Back in our day, we had a bit more variability and versatility in our reviews, opinions and descriptions of episodes and where they fall on the spectrum,.... cuz we actually HAD a spectrum. Today, however... its just "Great" or "Garbage" with no in-between.... and its downright infuriating.

[@jerodast]

@@k1productions87 It's a shame how everything is always getting worse all the time.

[@Andyground11]

So happy that I found your show 🥳😃

[@TenebrousFilms]

Just Beverly's eyes? Worf sprayed *acid* across her face, hence the *reconstructive* surgery.

[@richardwilliams5387]

This episode is actually pretty highly regarded by most fans.

[@kevinnaber790]

I saw this on its original release when I was 7… gave me nightmares for a couple of months. After re-watching the Barclay transporter phobia episode, it’s interesting that O’Brien introduced Barclay to his tarantula at the end of the episode and now Barclay turns into something similar.

[@EvanG529]

I love this episode, it's so goofy even though the technobabble makes no sense.

[@Drawkcabi]

_You say you want de-evolution...well, you know,_ _We don't wanna change into squirrels..._

[@TheRedFox-ph4ex]

Nice reference with the Xeno-Worf😂

[@chrisbullard5901]

Where is Sergeant Apone when you need him? “Nobody touch nothin’!”

[@darthken815]

Lol. That's one of my favorite sci-fi quotes.

[@jerodast]

All that hazardous materials training could've been so much simpler :)

[@FourthDrawerDown]

Oh, and Spot is a lizard 🦎

[@jasonnesbit5114]

I love this episode. It is batshit, but it is fun!

[@DavidSmith-cx8dg]

I remember ed this one , after so long this series managed to come up with an idea that was scary , mysterious and hilarious in almost equal measure . Bet the cast had some fun making it .We have almost constant reruns here and I saw this one and made sure to watch . Having watched Who since it started for me that's the best Star Trek was great about five years later and in colour but Tng. has proved a worthy successor .Always nice to see the gals in full reaction mode .It seems odd with Kat as the newb.

[@CaturdayNite]

I wanted to see Data devolve into a Speak-n-Spell

[@Calzaki]

I think it would have been more creative if Worf had de-evolved into a puppy or something and Deanna had become a crocodile or some other predator

[@jerodast]

That's a good point. I think there are times you go with the "yup, of COURSE that's how it went down" approach, which can be very satisfying, and sometimes you go with the subversion - either way probably would've worked here :)

[@Calzaki]

5:50: Sorry but you were literally asking for that. You scanned him, you CALLED it venom, what did you expect exactly?

[@antarfodoh]

This one was silly and didn't make much sense, but I love it!

[@Kazeromaru]

This was, as a kid, the most terrifying episode of TNG I ever saw. Ok, I was in my early 20s by then, but still it made me 12 again.

[@hornist34]

Always thought this was a bizarre episode, and of course, it had to be Barclay.

[@FourthDrawerDown]

So Beverley just got a face full of space venom but Wills’ “mind is wandering “. It’s not all about you,Will 🙄

[@Skeezer66]

I also had No Memory of this episode, and I don't think I'll remember it next week! LOL!! A low point to close out with Barkley, but he does pop up on Voyager and the last episode of Enterprise (one of the worst series finales ever, by the way). As fun as he can be here, on Voyager he gets taken much more seriously.

[@peregrine5327]

I don't remember the exact context in which I first watched this episode -- maybe it was late, and I hadn't eaten, or something -- but I remember the spider-Barclay jumpscare scaring the absolute fucking piss out of me, just like it did Picard. It might have been Picard's reaction that got me, more than anything else. I genuinely can't remember much except for being utterly terrified for a split second.

[@walther007]

We need to clip that when you two saw "Spider-Man".... LMAO.

[@InJeffable]

This episode is... unfortunate. I actually think it's worse than Sub Rosa. At least Sub Rosa's plot makes some kind of sense. It's just bad. Genesis is like somebody's totally implausible high school fanfic was somehow turned into a Star Trek episode.

[@orionspero560]

Barclay goes on as a recurring character in voyager occasionally with Diana Troy.

[@aproposreeve]

This was the first episode I remember watching 😂

[@patsk8872]

WOW. I am so sorry 🤣

[@darthken815]

You poor thing. Paramount may owe you some $$.

[@IkeThe9th]

Did they consult a biologist when determining… 🤔”what should Spot de-evolve into?”

[@DerekHartley]

If they did, the biologist would have told them that cats evolved from lizards...

[@k1productions87]

It wouldn't matter, because they wouldn't have had the budget to do anything other than just bring someone's pet lizard onto the set for a day. If they had the ability, you bet your backside they'd have made something considerably more alien-looking.

[@jerodast]

@@k1productions87 I think it's more that makeup and prosthetics on animals is way harder to wrangle. It seems like they did actually put in some overtime on makeup for this one, but I don't think any of us could imagine the cat wrangler's nightmare if you tried to put creative lizard alien attachments on Spot haha. It does crack me up that shot of just "Yup. It's an iguana with a pink collar on it. That's pretty much it."

[@k1productions87]

@@jerodast Meanwhile one of the very first TOS episodes had just a dog with a horn on its head.

[@fedexweb]

If Reg Barclay is there, it's a guarantee of a good episode!

[@sharpshooter07]

We did not see with Doctor Crusher turned into. Maybe because she directed the episode she didn't have to turn into anything.

[@jerodast]

Story wise she had to go into stasis until they could get her surgery so she didn't really turn into anything. Although, she must've been infected like the rest of them, so just as we will all be left wondering what Picard looks like as a lemur, we can speculate on what direction she was going too :)

[@tyranusfan]

I mean, it coudn't be WORSE than Sub Rosa. 😁🤣

[@Calzaki]

Directed by Gates McFadden FTW

[@bninem1397]

omg I forgot about Spot

[@Sindraug25]

I've heard a lot of people trash this episode, but I've always liked it.

[@jerodast]

I think there's a certain contingent of fans who felt like as the show approached the finale it should be all heavy hitters with lots of character every single time, so this one was like "argh, maybe this is funny but you're spending one of your few remaining hours on THIS?" I bet that feeling has dissipated a lot now that the original airing is long over, everything's available on streaming, you can jump around to any episode you like, and people can appreciate it for what it is.

[@Splurr]

Se you out There !🖖 7!

[@Finchsterreading]

You can tell it's Season 7. The writers must have had a bunch of leftover plot ideas on index cards on a bulletin board: "Whole crew de-evolves into animals." Sure, why not? It's almost over anyway.

[@scottmessenger8639]

It was entertaining and stupid at the same time! Concept is unique but ludicrous! Did Barclays ancestors evolve from spiders? It was entertaining dispite how ridiculous it was!!

[@k1productions87]

No, Data said the dormant introns include different forms of life from all over one's planet of birth. Yes, its just an excuse to have several different variations, but they definitely DO NOT say Barclay's ancestors evolved from spiders.

[@jerodast]

I think the idea is, life evolved from a single starting point on the planet, so even though certain genes developed and mutated and evolved to form your own species, you also still have plenty of inactive genes that were the seeds of other species too. I do wonder how much that is true, I think it's SLIGHTLY more realistic than it sounds but also those "fragments" must be way too fractured and not-in-the-form-they-mutated-to-as-species-diverged to actually turn you into a spider or anything haha.

[@empirejeff]

GENESIS!!!!!!!!!!

[@MatthewBluefox]

The venom sack was too much for poor Kat. :)

[@christopherferrarelli2262]

15:47 Kat mentioned how you’re going to react to the movies for a livestream once you hit 20k subscribers. Will it be just the TNG movies, like First Contact, or will you be also reacting to the TOS movies, like Wrath of Khan? And will that livestream be here for KZbin or only to Patreon?

[@TheAtkey]

I would love to see them do at least TOS 2,3,4 and 6.

[@MalcolmWolf]

It is just a few TNG movies movies at this stage

[@wolfwing1]

it's a fun one, even if it makes zero sense in nayway shape or form :> Why would barcley turn into an arachnid if de-eolving, arachnids are WAY further away from our ancestry, least while it wouldn't be an iguana lizard makes sense for spot, but if humans it be at best trilobite but probably even further back.

[@timy.4818]

I don’t think I remember that one either.

[@Yggdrasil42]

I always liked this episode. 😅 Well, except for the immediate return to normal afterwards.

[@adamplace1414]

With as silly of a premise as the script provided, I've gotta say they pulled it off. This one maybe isn't up to our modern standards but somehow, it kinda works.

[@jerodast]

I mean this one I think works just as well as a crazy romp on a modern show haha. There are other really great episodes where the continuity or effects or stiffer act structure or whatever feels a little more off from a really good episode of a modern show, where I have to slightly make a mental adjustment to account for the older style, but this one I don't feel like I have to do that - if I'm in the mood for something this goofy, of course :)

[@muchpeacemuchlove]

Kat looking quite pretty : )

[@Calzaki]

Why doesn't every computer have at least a back up local memory and processor. I mean i use one drive at work but my laptop still uses a hard drive

[@jerodast]

I didn't see this full episode in awhile, and I tried checking Memory Alpha summary but I could not figure out what happened to the computer exactly, do you know? I can't imagine why any devolved crew member would actively erase the memory or anything. IIRC Voyager computers have some kind of bioneural components that can actually be infected biologically, which naturally they used in several episodes much like this one, but I didn't think that was the case on the Enterprise-D, was it? Maybe it was somehow related to other ship breakdowns due to Worf Damage or lack of maintenance - although it's concerning if the ship technically goes to hell in just 2 days of passive operation haha. I think I heard they might actually carry a backup memory core and so on, but it would probably have to be installed manually. If it was set up so you could just flip a switch, I'm sure that's not a bad idea to have ONE backup configured that way, but it also puts the backup at risk of the same damage that might affect the main computer. No "air gap".

[@kenmercer8112]

i remember it

[@katwithattitude5062]

Will "All Good Things..." be in one or two parts?

[@Paris.mcdonough]

Love this episode

[@cypher515]

I love the batshit episodes something fierce. Sub Rosa, this, a few third season episodes of TOS... seriously! The science is absolute garbage but I barely care. And yes, Barclay is my favorite non-main character. He's basically me as a Trek character except I have this weird feeling I'd be enlisted. And... I cannot wait for the movies. The 9th and 10th ones are also ones that I think are worthy of debate, but are they fun to watch? Plus you need to know one thing about DS9 to watch First Contact whereas Insurrection is practically _based_ on the latter stages of said show, so...

[@k1productions87]

The science is always garbage. I think people single this one out because it happened to use the scary "E" word. But its no worse than a Sherlock Holmes hologram character becoming sentient, or four adults being turned to kids by the transporter (another episode that was just crazy fun). Star Trek has NEVER been "hard sci-fi"

[@cypher515]

@@k1productions87 Fair enough, but it does try to present itself as living in our universe of physics, and in our universe, evolution is not a straight predetermined line. Evolution basically means random crap happens and if it's good, that gene becomes more common until things change. In the Trekverse evolution IS a straight predictable line... one of the reasons why I'm hoping they choose to do Voyager at some point is due to one of the most epic examples of that concept in the second season.

[@k1productions87]

@@cypher515 Except in this episode, Data outright says that numerous possibilities could emerge, rather than a singular path, and that it could involve traits from many different species, depending on one's planet of origin. Which one it happens to be depends on which dormant genes in which person happen to randomly be the most dominant among the dormant genes. As for the Voyager episode, all the Doctor said was natural evolution, and "possibly" a future stage of development. NOT "this is exactly what WILL happen" and there is no rule anywhere that says it has to. Again, its people attributing definites and absolutes where there are none.

[@cypher515]

@@k1productions87 In that Voyager episode the exact same thing happened to two entities to the point that said entities were genetically compatible, which is only one of the reasons SF Debris broke the ratings scale for it. But seriously, we're splitting hairs here. I agree that they valiantly struggled and mostly succeeded in papering over the cracks of the science with Treknobabble. It's just that when a plot relies on the science, it can get distracting when they stretch it this far. In my opinion, anyway.

[@CheesePolice]

This is perhaps the worst offender in the series for 'everything immediately goes back to normal' at the end.

[@k1productions87]

Nah, we simply didn't get to see the transition. We did spend several minutes of the episode showing Data working the problem, so we can certainly assume there was a "Several days later" time skip

[@TheGoauldApophis]

Oh, this one.

[@FortoFight]

It's pretty classic for Trek to fundamentally misunderstand the basic mechanics of how evolution works lol. Barclay's transformation implying that we evolved from spiders might be the worst lol.

[@Raja1938]

From various interviews of writers & producers, it's not that they misunderstand science. They have science advisors, and many of the writers have technical backgrounds. It's just for the purposes of a 50 min show, they have to weigh fidelity to hard science against telling an entertaining story in a format understandable for a mainstream audience. When the two conflict, the story wins out more often than not.

[@k1productions87]

That is literally the opposite of what they said. Data very clearly spells out how the introns have genetic information of life from all over one's planet of birth. Yes, it was just an excuse to have many different variations, but they VERY CLEARLY state that it IS NOT just "we evolved from spiders", and they say "mutation" multiple times on top of it. Its funny,... whenever someone uses the scary "E" word, its like every other word they use just goes in one ear and out the other and treated as if it never existed.

[@FortoFight]

@@Raja1938 There have been literally 0 times that evolution has been brought up in Star Trek that have had even a slight amount of scientific accuracy. I understand your point, the story takes precedent over the science, but they do have a particular issue with evolution that always bugs me.

[@Raja1938]

@@FortoFight To say they've never brought it up accurately is a bit hyperbolic. Offhand, I remember from "The Omega Glory": KIRK: There are people here over a thousand years old, Bones. MCCOY: Survival of the fittest, because their ancestors who survived had to have a superior resistance. Then they built up these powerful protective antibodies in the blood during the wars. Now, if you want to destroy a civilization or a whole world, your descendants might develop a longer life, but I hardly think it's worth it.

[@jerodast]

This take is actually a bit of a misunderstanding of the idea though. They're not saying literally spiders came before us in the evolutionary tree, they're saying spiders and us had a common ancestor in the tree. Within that common ancestor genome there was the potential to evolve into both spider and human; the species diverged more and more. So that's what they're getting at. Honestly if they didn't just leave it as "de-evolution" but explained more it was "de-evolution followed by re-evolution" it would ALMOST make some sense haha. So don't get me wrong it is very goofy, but I like that idea of moving up and down the evolutionary tree because we all share those same origins.

[@francisbartoszewski2284]

Please please please watch all 10 Star Trek movies, not just the TNG ones. You've seen enough TOS to get them all.

[@Lordadc]

Will you also watch DS9 and VOY? Because your reactions are great

[@firefly24601]

DS9 no, VOY maybe.

[@firefly24601]

Eighth!

[@quoniam426]

I never liked this episode just because I don't like Horror as a genre to begin with. It's very well made but I just can't stand it. Roxann Dawson from ST Voyager directed several Enterprise episodes to great effect. (may be one or two Voyager episodes as well if memory serves) There is a similar deevolution episode in Voyager but it's regarded as the stupidest episode of the whole series. Threshold from season 2. Ironically, I quite like it contrary to Genesis. Barclay reappears in later seasons of Voyager as a Starleet Communications specialist who helps Starfleet to establish contact with the stranded vessel thanks to his genius... Deanna is there to help him through his social hardships as well and she has some bad ass moments with some other random but important character as well. His apparition in First Contact technically predates his apparition on Voyager, both in the timeline and in production. He left the Enterprise sometime after First Contact. Although, he also appears in the videogame Elite Force II as the Enterprise engineer in lieu of Geordi for some reason. Kat, you should watch The A Team some day... Dwight Shultz is in there and blasts everything off !

[@KatAlysha]

First? 🤔😝

[@travisboyle285]

Meh. I like this one. Fun 45 minutes. Not like it is 3 hour movie. Though some people would be like "Geez I wish I didn't kill and eat my roommate." Lol

[@patsk8872]

Yep... I'm sticking with my judgment that this episode is worse than the ghost candle one.